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#1225036 - Tue Feb 06 2018 12:05 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It's not really even debatable that Nunes is being a partisan WB. The memo was pushed through along partisan lines with even some republicans like McCain criticizing it. When it's just one party pushing it through that alone makes it partisan. If they did indeed cherry pick facts to mislead than you should also have a problem with that dishonesty.



"Even with Republicans like McCain criticizing it..."

\:lol\:

Do you REALLY think that McCain is a mainstream Republican, and that McCain DOESN'T have a clear hostility toward all things Trump?

In THE SHADOW PARTY, David Horowitz cites McCain as a Republican who secretly trades favors with George Soros. That doesn't sound like a principled conservative Republican to me. It sounds like a liberal progressive disguised in Republican sheep's clothing.

What is partisan is the Democrats who along a straight party line oppose anything Trump or Republicans offer in the way of policy. Democrats' goal is not the best interest of the nation or its people, it's just childishly denying any political victory to Trump and the Republicans.
And they are proven wrong over and over again. Schumer and Pelosi predicted Armageddon if Trump's tax reform were passed, and instead it has resulted in bonuses and raises for hundreds of thousands of workers nationwide. As well as corporations moving offices and factories and financial assets back into the United States.

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#1225038 - Tue Feb 06 2018 10:02 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Incredible, what's been revealed over the last few days.

Particularly regarding Rep. Adam Schiff, the Democrat weasel who is attempting to make himself the DNC's Joe McCarthy, in his false accusations against Republicans as "traitors" and so forth at every turn.

Today it was revealed that two Russian comedians called Schiff's office and spoke to him directly for 8 minutes. They told him they had nude photos of Donald Trump, and Schiff audibly was taking careful notes, and talked about meeting Schiff to give him the photos. And that's different from Donald Trump's meeting with Veselnetskaya... how?
Schiff tried to walk it back and allege he knew it was a prank, but listening to the call, it was obvious Schiff was taking it seriously and taking detailed notes.

Ah, the hypocrisy runs deep. Who's the "traitor" now, dipshit?

It is, and always has been, the Democrats, the party of consistent treason since the days of FDR, McCarthy, the Vietnam war, the Persian gulf war, the Iraq war, on up to the present.

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#1225039 - Tue Feb 06 2018 10:23 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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KERRY CONTINUES THE TRADITION OF ANTI-WAR SOVIET PROPAGANDA

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The Vietnam-era antiwar movement got its spin from the Kremlin.

by Ion Mihai Pacepa
February 26, 2004 8:28 AM



Part of Senator John Kerry’s appeal to a certain segment of Americans is his Vietnam-veteran status coupled with his antiwar activism during that period. On April 12, 1971, Kerry told the U.S. Congress that American soldiers claimed to him that they had, “raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned on the power, cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan.”

The exact sources of that assertion should be tracked down. Kerry also ought to be asked who, exactly, told him any such thing, and what it was, exactly, that they said they did in Vietnam. Statutes of limitation now protect these individuals from prosecution for any such admissions. Or did Senator Kerry merely hear allegations of that sort as hearsay bandied about by members of antiwar groups (much of which has since been discredited)? To me, this assertion sounds exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the Vietnam era.

KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility. One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and “news reports” about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. Often enough, they would be picked up. News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources. All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world.

As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, “our most significant success.”


The KGB organized a vitriolic conference in Stockholm to condemn America’s aggression, on March 8, 1965, as the first American troops arrived in south Vietnam. On Andropov’s orders, one of the KGB’s paid agents, Romesh Chandra, the chairman of the KGB-financed World Peace Council, created the Stockholm Conference on Vietnam as a permanent international organization to aid or to conduct operations to help Americans dodge the draft or defect, to demoralize its army with anti-American propaganda, to conduct protests, demonstrations, and boycotts, and to sanction anyone connected with the war.

It was staffed by Soviet-bloc undercover intelligence officers and received about $15 million annually from the Communist Party’s international department–on top of the WPC’s $50 million a year, all delivered in laundered cash dollars. Both groups had Soviet-style secretariats to manage their general activities, Soviet-style working committees to conduct their day-to-day operations, and Soviet-style bureaucratic paperwork. The quote from Senator Kerry is unmistakable Soviet-style sloganeering from this period. I believe it is very like a direct quote from one of these organizations’ propaganda sheets.

The KGB campaign to assault the U.S. and Europe by means of disinformation was more than just a few Cold War dirty tricks. The whole foreign policy of the Soviet-bloc states, indeed its whole economic and military might, revolved around the larger Soviet objective of destroying America from within through the use of lies. The Soviets saw disinformation as a vital tool in the dialectical advance of world Communism.

The Stockholm conference held annual international meetings up to 1972. In its five years of existence it created thousands of “documentary” materials printed in all the major Western languages describing the “abominable crimes” committed by American soldiers against civilians in Vietnam, along with counterfeited pictures. All these materials were manufactured by the KGB’s disinformation department. I would print up these materials in hundreds of thousands of copies each.

The Romanian DIE (Ceausescu’s secret police) was tasked to distribute these KGB-concocted “incriminating documents” all over Western Europe. And ordinary people often bought it hook, line, and sinker. “Even Attila the Hun looks like an angel when compared to these Americans,” a West German businessman reprovingly told me after reading one such report.

The Italian, Greek, and Spanish Communist parties serviced by Bucharest were much affected by this material and their activists regularly distributed translations. They also handed them out to the participants at anti-American demonstrations around the world. Many “Ban-the-Bomb” and anti-nuclear movements were KGB-funded operations, too. I can no longer look at a petition for world peace or other supposedly noble cause, particularly of the anti-American variety, without thinking to myself, “KGB.”

In 1978, when I broke with Communism, my DIE was propagating the line that Washington’s adventure in Vietnam had wasted over $200 trillion. This waste, we warned darkly, would soon generate European inflation, recession, and unemployment. As far as I’m concerned, the KGB gave birth to the antiwar movement in America. In 1976, Andropov gave my own Romanian DIE credit for helping his KGB do so.

Leftist intellectuals in America now look to Europe–steeped for years in anti-American propaganda from the Soviet Union–for “a sane and frank European criticism of the Bush administration’s war policy.” Indeed, anti-Americanism in Europe today is almost as ferocious as it was during Vietnam. France and Germany insist we are torturing the al Qaeda prisoners held at Guantanamo Base. The Mirror, a British newspaper, is confident that President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair were “killing innocents in Afghanistan.” The Paris daily Le Monde put Jean Baudrillard on its front page asserting that “the Judeo-Christian West, led by America, not only provoked the [September 11] terrorist attacks, it actually desired them.”

In June 2002, a documentary film on “U.S. war crimes” in Afghanistan was shown in the German Bundestag by the crypto-Communist Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS). The film faithfully reincarnated the style of old Soviet-bloc “documentaries” demonizing the U.S. war in Vietnam. According to this 20-minute movie, American soldiers were involved in the torture and murder of some 3,000 Taliban prisoners in the region of Mazar-e-Sharif. One witness in the film even claimed he had seen an American soldier break the neck of one Afghan prisoner and pour acid on others.

During my last meeting with Andropov, he said, wisely, “now all we have to do is to keep the Vietnam-era anti-Americanism alive.” Andropov was a shrewd judge of human nature. He understood that in the end our original involvement would be forgotten, and our insinuations would take on a life of their own. He knew well that it was just the way human nature worked.
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–Ion Mihai Pacepa was acting chief of Romania’s espionage service and national-security adviser to the country’s president. He is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc.



Just a reminder of which party has been carrying Soviet/Russian water for over 50 years.

This former Rumanian director of Soviet propaganda who made up stories about American soldiers during the Vietnam war, who defected decades later to the U.S., and 4 decades later in 2004, was astonished to see John Kerry and other Democrats STILL repeating his manufactured false talking points.

And who would know better that the Democrat talking points are false, than the Soviet propaganda minister WHO MADE THEM UP IN THE FIRST PLACE?



  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1225040 - Tue Feb 06 2018 10:39 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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MCCARTHYISM: THE ROSETTA STONE OF LIBERAL LIES

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November 7, 2007

by Ann Coulter


When I wrote a ferocious defense of Sen. Joe McCarthy in Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism , liberals chose not to argue with me. Instead they posted a scrolling series of reasons not to read my book, such as that I wear short skirts, date boys, and that "Treason" was not a scholarly tome.

After printing rabidly venomous accounts of McCarthy for half a century based on zero research, liberals would only accept research presenting an alternative view of McCarthy that included, as the Los Angeles Times put it, at least the "pretense of scholarly throat-clearing and objectivity."

This week, they got it. The great M. Stanton Evans has finally released Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies . Based on a lifetime's work, including nearly a decade of thoroughgoing research, stores of original documents and never-before-seen government files, this 672-page book ends the argument on Joe McCarthy. Look for it hidden behind stacks of Bill Clinton's latest self-serving book at a bookstore near you.

Evans' book is such a tour de force that liberals are already preparing a "yesterday's news" defense -- as if they had long ago admitted the truth about McCarthy. Yes, and they fought shoulder to shoulder with Ronald Reagan to bring down the Evil Empire. Thus, Publishers Weekly preposterously claims that "the history Evans relates is already largely known, if not fully accepted." Somebody better tell George Clooney.

The McCarthy period is the Rosetta stone of all liberal lies. It is the textbook on how they rewrite history -- the sound chamber of liberal denunciations, their phony victimhood as they demean and oppress their enemies, their false imputation of dishonesty to their opponents, their legalization of every policy dispute, their ability to engage in lock-step shouting campaigns, and the black motives concealed by their endless cacophony.

The true story of Joe McCarthy, told in meticulous, irrefutable detail in "Blacklisted by History," is that from 1938 to 1946, the Democratic Party acquiesced in a monstrous conspiracy being run through the State Department, the military establishment, and even the White House to advance the Soviet cause within the U.S. government.

In the face of the Democrats' absolute refusal to admit to their fecklessness, fatuity and recklessness in allowing known Soviet spies to penetrate the deepest levels of government, McCarthy demanded an accounting.

Even if one concedes to on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand whiners like Ronald Radosh that Truman's Secretary of State Dean Acheson didn't like communism, his record is what it was. And that record was to treat Soviet spies like members of the Hasty Pudding Club.

Rather than own up to their moral blindness to Soviet espionage, Democrats fired up the liberal slander machine, which would be deployed again and again over the next half century to the present day. In hiding their own perfidy, liberals were guilty of every sin they lyingly imputed to McCarthy. There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along.

Blacklisted by History proves that every conventional belief about McCarthy is wrong, including:

-- That he lied about his war service: He was a tailgunner in World War II;
-- That he was a drunk: He would generally nurse a single drink all night;
-- That he made the whole thing up: He produced loads of Soviet spies in government jobs;
-- That he just did it for political gain: He understood perfectly the godless evil of communism.

Ironically, for all of their love of conspiracy theories -- the rigging of the 2000 election, vote suppression in Ohio in 2004, 9/11 being an inside job, oil companies covering up miracle technology that would allow cars to run on dirt, Britney Spears' career, etc., etc. -- when presented with an actual conspiracy of Soviet spies infiltrating the U.S. government, they laughed it off like world-weary skeptics and dedicated themselves to slandering Joe McCarthy.

Then as now, liberals protect themselves from detection with wild calumnies against anybody who opposes them. They have no interest in -- or aptitude for -- persuasion. Their goal is to anathematize their enemies. Blacklisted by History removes the curse from one of the greatest patriots in American history.



Ann Coulter details Democrat treason back to the days of FDR and Truman. Where they were warned and aware of Soviet spies in the U.S., had the chance to contain the threat, and instead dismissively did nothing, and let Soviet agents run wild in high level positions, gathering information.

And how do we know this happened? After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin's own records were available to reveal it.

No thanks to the Democrats.


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#1225042 - Wed Feb 07 2018 07:36 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Man...

This morning I watched Fox News, and the opening story was a text discovered between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page a month on Sept 2nd, a month before the Nov 2016 election saying: "POTUS wants to know everything we're doing."

That takes things to a whole new level, if Obama had personal involvement and knowledge of the FISA surveillance of Trump officials.

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#1225043 - Wed Feb 07 2018 07:36 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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You might want to also read the actual historical records WB. The vote to censure McCarthy was not a partisan affair. I know by now facts don't matter but I would hope republicans rise up today like they did back than when power was abused.

Fair play!

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#1225044 - Wed Feb 07 2018 07:41 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You might want to also read the actual historical records WB. The vote to censure McCarthy was not a partisan affair. I know by now facts don't matter but I would hope republicans rise up today like they did back than when power was abused.



YOU could try reading, M E M.

The bipartisan condemnation of McCarthy was based on the perception that what McCarthy alleged was false. But as I just quoted Coulter citing, the Kremlin records after the Soviet Union collapsed vindicated McCarthy, decades after-the-fact.

There were Soviet spies everywhere, and the Kremlin's own records show that. Espionage that Democrat complacency allowed to happen.

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#1225045 - Wed Feb 07 2018 07:51 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Arguments_for_vindication

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ARGUMENTS FOR VINDICATION

McCarthy remains a controversial figure. Some scholars assert that new evidence—in the form of Venona-decrypted Soviet messages, Soviet espionage data now opened to the West, and newly released transcripts of closed hearings before McCarthy's subcommittee—has partially vindicated McCarthy by showing that many of his identifications of Communists were correct and that the scale of Soviet espionage activity in the United States during the 1940s and 1950s was larger than many scholars suspected.[146][147][148] After reviewing evidence from Venona and other sources, historian John Earl Haynes concluded that, of 159 people identified on lists used or referenced by McCarthy, evidence was substantial that nine had aided Soviet espionage efforts. He suggested that a majority of those on the lists could legitimately have been considered security risks, but that a substantial minority could not.[149] Many other scholars, including some generally regarded as conservative, have opposed these views.[which?][150]

Among those implicated in files later made public from the Venona project and Soviet sources were Cedric Belfrage, Frank Coe, Lauchlin Currie, Harold Glasser, David Karr, Mary Jane Keeney, and Leonard Mins.[149][151][152][153][154][155][156]

These viewpoints are considered by historian David Oshinsky to be fringe revisionist history.[157] Challenging efforts aimed at the "rehabilitation" of McCarthy, Haynes argues that McCarthy's attempts to "make anti-communism a partisan weapon" actually "threatened [the post-War] anti-Communist consensus", thereby ultimately harming anti-Communist efforts more than helping.[158]

Diplomat George F. Kennan drew on his State Department experience to provide his view that "The penetration of the American governmental services by members or agents (conscious or otherwise) of the American Communist Party in the late 1930s was not a figment of the imagination ... it really existed; and it assumed proportions which, while never overwhelming, were also not trivial." Kennan wrote that under the Roosevelt administration "warnings which should have been heeded fell too often on deaf or incredulous ears."[159] However, Kennan made his assessment before the revelation of the Venona decrypts. The previous cautious assessments had to be revised. Not a few but "hundreds of American Communists abetted Soviet espionage in the United States" in the 1930s and 1940s. No modern government had been more thoroughly penetrated. Plus, only a tiny fraction of the Venona intercepts have been decrypted (about 3%), so no one knows the entire extent of the penetration. All anyone can know for sure is that the Soviet penetration into the United States government was massive

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#1225046 - Wed Feb 07 2018 09:20 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Hannity did a good overview of what was in the Nunes memo last night, and how the FBI, Comey and McCabe deceive the FISA court into doing surveillance on Carter Page, alleging they had "multiple sources" as the basis for the surveillance request. When in truth the ONLY souce they had was Christopher Steele, who was commissioned directly by the Hillary Clinton campaign, and a Yahoo News article, that was basically a press release from Steele, not a second source.

The second shoe dropped with the released redacted Grassley memo Hannity broke down.

1) Christopher Steele was hired by the Hillary campaign to get dirt on the Trump campaign, funded clandestinely through Fusion GPS. Steele got most of his information/allegations DIRECTLY FROM THE RUSSIANS (precisely what Trump's subordinates are accused of)

2) Steele gave this information to the FBI, that the FBI, in the person of Comey, told the Trump campaign was "salacious" and "unreliable", but that Comey SIMULTANEOUSLY USED AS SOURCES TO REQUEST FISA SURVEILLANCE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION!

3) Steele told the FBI that he had not shared this information with any media. But he had, with Mother Jones, and Yahoo News, at the very least. That is a crime, lying to the FBI.

4) Comey and McCabe told the FISA court that the Steele dossier (the basis for the FISA request) was a reliable source. That is a crime, lying to the FISA court, misrepresenting the reliability of their evidence for the surveillance request they knew to be false.

5) Comey and McCabe also misrepresented and did not disclose what they knew, that the Steele dossier was initiated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. This is another criminal lie.


I'm still wondering where the judge is who was given this evidence and okayed the FISA surveillance on Trump officials. He should at least be saying he is angry he was deceived, and more pointedly throwing out the FISA request and all the surveillance evidence obtained under the deception (i.e., the poisonous fruit).
Unless, quite possibly, the judge is as corrupt as Comey and McCabe and the rest, and was a willing part of the deception himself.

In any case, these two memos (Nunes memo, and Grassley memo) combined are much closer to meeting the expectation of the hype, in that they indicate willful deception for FISA surveillance, for which major players can go to jail.


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#1225047 - Wed Feb 07 2018 10:23 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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(YouTube, of Hannity radio program, Feb 6, 2018: )
Gingrich Breaks Down The Difference Between FISA Memo & Watergate

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