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#1225365 - Fri Apr 06 2018 10:21 PM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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You misrepresent me, M E M.

I've certainly criticized Trump for his bombast, and acknowledged that he's had sexual affairs in the past, many of them very publicly. I've even acknowledged that he likely had sex with Stormy Daniels, with the stipulation that it remains unproven, UNLIKE the transgressions of Democrat figures like Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and JFK whose indiscretions, corruption and hush-money payoffs equal or surpass the very worst alleged about Trump.

But Clinton's assaults and rapes, PROVEN, you ignore, and hypocritically voice contempt for Trump on far lesser UNPROVEN allegations.

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#1225369 - Fri Apr 06 2018 10:40 PM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Seems that proven and unproven for you depends on party. If Clinton's accusers are all credible as you have put forward than maybe you shouldn't be calling Trump's growing group of women accusers as not.

Fair play!

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#1225411 - Mon Apr 09 2018 05:55 PM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Matter-eater Man
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FBI just raided Trump's lawyer/fixer, lol

Fair play!

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#1225412 - Tue Apr 10 2018 02:06 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
FBI just raided Trump's lawyer/fixer, lol


So you celebrate an unprecedented unconstitutional violation of a lawyer's home to violate attorney-client privilege? The client being Trump. I watched a former federal investigator with Laura Ingraham say this is a "highly aggressive" and unprecedented federal investigation.

Meanwhile, a different standard exists for Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, Jennifer Palmieri, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, James Comey, Rod Rosenstein (and wife), Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr (and wife), James Rybacki, Andrew Weissman, James Clapper, John Brennan, Susan Rice, Rudolf Contreras.
>>>>ALL<<< of these people have either committed perjury, filed fraudulent information to get a FISA warrant, leaked confidential federal information to the press, and or participated in malicious prosecution.

And all have simultaneously done similar criminal deception to give a free pass to Hillary Clinton and her subordinates, elements at the highest level of DOJ and FBI obstructing prosecution, allowing destruction of evidence.
ALL the evidence leads to Hillary's guilt on the Clinton Foundation, FusionGPS, the deleted 33,000 e-mails, her illegal private server, and yet they absolutely refuse to prosecute it. Even as they maliciously strain to prosecute Trump for any contrived reason they can.

So much for law enforcement ethics, and equal protection under the law.


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    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1225415 - Tue Apr 10 2018 07:26 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Partisan accusations are not evidence and this isn't like when republicans had a zillion Benghazi investigations. Cohen isn't above the law either. His actions with Stormy reveal he was either paying out large sums of money during an election either with or without Trump knowing.

Fair play!

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#1225416 - Tue Apr 10 2018 08:18 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Wonder Boy]
the G-man
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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
FBI just raided Trump's lawyer/fixer, lol


So you celebrate an unprecedented unconstitutional violation of a lawyer's home to violate attorney-client privilege? The client being Trump. I watched a former federal investigator with Laura Ingraham say this is a "highly aggressive" and unprecedented federal investigation.

Meanwhile, a different standard exists for Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, Jennifer Palmieri, Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, James Comey, Rod Rosenstein (and wife), Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr (and wife), James Rybacki, Andrew Weissman, James Clapper, John Brennan, Susan Rice, Rodolf Contreras.
>>>>ALL<<< of these people have either committed perjury, filed fraudulent information to get a FISA warrant, leaked confidential federal information to the press, and or participated in malicious prosecution.

And all have done the exact opposite to give a free pass to Hillary Clinton and her seems, obstructing prosecution, allowing destruction of evidence. ALL the evidence leads to Hillary's guilt on the Clinton Foundation, FusionGPS, the deleted 33,000 e-mails, her illegal private server, and yet they absolutely refuse to prosecute it. Even as they maliciously strain to prosecute Trump for any contrived reason they can.

So much for law enforcement ethics, and equal protection under the law.


Privilege only covers past, not prospective, conduct. If-hypothetically-Cohen and Trump agreed to commit a criminal act, that's not protected. Similarly, if Cohen acted on his own (as I think he claimed), its difficult to see how "privilege" would apply.

Andrew McCarthy from National Review set forth a pretty good argument on various ways that Cohen's alleged payoff to Daniels could violate campaign finance laws:

  • the point here is not about the lurid details. The point is that the concealment effort may involve criminal violations of campaign-finance laws. That is, a prosecutor could rationally commence an investigation based on suspicion that the $130,000 payment to Clifford was (a) potentially an in-kind campaign contribution that was astronomically above the legal donation limit for individuals, (b) from a potentially illegal source (depending on how Cohen’s LLC, Essential Consultants, was structured), and (c) not disclosed as required by federal election law.

    On this score, it does not matter that one may not be a fan of the campaign-finance laws — they are the law, and as we’ve seen, they can be enforced by criminal prosecution. It does not matter that one may not be a fan of the special-counsel appointment of Robert Mueller — he is the prosecutor, and it is a commonplace for prosecutors, and especially quasi-independent prosecutors, to investigate crimes that are disconnected from the original rationale for the investigation (compare, e.g., Kenneth Starr’s shift from Whitewater to the Lewinsky scandal in the investigation of President Clinton). And it does not matter that one may be skeptical about Mueller’s legal theory that any frustration of government functions by two or more people may be prosecuted as a conspiracy to defraud the United States under Section 371 of the penal code — such cases are prosecuted, the U.S. Attorney’s Manual supports them (as I pointed out in a recent column, notwithstanding my disagreement), and actions that undermine the Federal Election Commission’s oversight and record-keeping would align comfortably with the fraud conspiracy charges Mueller has brought in other cases.

    As a factual matter, a shoddy cover-up of an extramarital tryst with a porn star a decade before Donald Trump became president would be a trifle compared to the oft-repeated but never established claim of Trump collusion with Russia. As a legal matter, though, when highly aggressive prosecutors are circling, any kind of something is always more perilous than nothing.


Yeah, it sucks that the media and the Obama DoJ covered up for the Clinton Crime Syndicate but someone else getting away with a crime isn't a defense to criminal charges if there is credible evidence against Cohen and/or Trump.

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#1225417 - Tue Apr 10 2018 08:18 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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ALAN DERSHOWITZ RIPS ACLU's SILENCE ON THE RAID OF TRUMP LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN'S OFFICE


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Alan Dershowitz reacted to a federal raid on the office of President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen.

Dershowitz said it is a "dangerous day today for lawyer-client relations."

He said that federal agents confiscated many items from the office, and predicted that they included confidential documents and files pertaining to attorney-client privilege discussions with Trump.

Dershowitz said that Trump's team, as well as Cohen, have thus far cooperated with the Robert Mueller-led probe into alleged Russian collusion.


"If this were Hillary Clinton [having her lawyer's office raided], the ACLU would be on every TV station in America jumping up and down," he said. "The deafening silence of the ACLU and civil libertarians about the intrusion into the lawyer-client confidentiality is really appalling."

Dershowitz said it is apparent that Mueller is staying within the confines of the Russian collusion case parameters and instead farming out extraneous developments like Stormy Daniels and alleged campaign finance violations to the U.S. Attorney's Office of the Southern District of New York.
Mueller likely obtained penultimate approval for the raid from Acting Southern District U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman in Manhattan - who sent the warrant to a judge for the final say, according to reports.

Berman was appointed by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, replacing Acting U.S. Attorney Joon Kim, who himself replaced U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara who was fired by Trump.


That's not a "partisan" evaluation, M E M. That's a liberal attorney and professor, one of the most acclaimed legal scholars in the legal profession.

And all this is related to the Russia investigation that the Meuller special investigation (14 of the 17 investigation lawyers are Democrat, 8 of the 17 are donors to the Obama and Hillary campaigns, 3 of the 17 were directly employed in the service of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation).... HOW?

It's a witch hunt. It's an abuse and twisting of the law to grasp at ANY rationalization to impeach and depose Trump. A greater abuse of power than Watergate. Nothing short of an unconstitutional political coup.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1225418 - Tue Apr 10 2018 08:41 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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Legal scholar Jonathan Turley was just on Fox's morning show. He was the most quoted scholar on the Patriot Act and the unconstitutionality of Bush's war on Islamic terrorism. Democrats LOVED him in that period.
Turley likewise said this raid on Cohen's legal records is a trap set for Trump, an attempt to piss him off to the point that he fires Meuller, Rosenstein and Sessions. But said that if Trump does so, he will put himself in even more danger.



Remember what caused the Meuller investigation to be formed:

1) Rod Rosenstein was tasked with making a written evaluation of the FBI and what needed to be done to restore internal and external public confidence in the FBI. Rosenstein said that it was necessary to fire James Comey and replace him with a new head of the FBI. He submitted the written report to Trump.
2) Trump followed Rosenstein's recommendation and fired Comey.
3) Rosenstein then appointed Meuller to head a special investigation, to investigate why Trump fired Comey. What's wrong with this picture?
4) Rosenstein is also the person who determined the "Russia Dossier" was unreliable and salacious, but in collaboration with Comey used it as evidence to request a FISA warrant to do FBI/CIA surveillance of Trump officials. Rosenstein is both leading the investigation, and also a defendant who participated in the conspiracy to do surveillance of Trump campaign/Trump administration communications! Investigators who are all Democrats, many of them large Democrat campaign donors! WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?!?

It's a Soviet-style Democrat kangaroo court.

And judge Rudolf Contreras is a personal friend of Peter Strzok who is mentioned in texts as part of a conspiracy to meet Strzok and Page ex parte at a secret conference disguised inside a dinner party. He is the judge 1) who oversaw the prosecution of Michael Flynn on manufactured perjury (the same trap they are attempting to set for Trump), and 2) oversaw at least 1 of the 4 falsified FISA surveillance warrants, based on the perjured false evidence of the Russia Dossier.

Add to that the secret meeting between Bill Clinton and then-attorney general Loretta Lynch in late 2016 while the potential indictment of Hillary Clinton was being decided, when lo and behold, just a few days later A.G. Lynch coincidentally decides not to prosecute Hillary Clinton despite overwhelming evidence.

There is NO WAY that all just randomly happened. The bias of this investigation is beyond question. As Rep Trey Gowdy said a few days ago, "It is beyond bias, it is animus," the level of hatred FBI and DOJ investigators have expressed in texts and public statements about Trump.
As is abundantly evident in the text messages and public comments of Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Andrew Weissman, and others I can't recall offhand.

I shit on the authority of this investigation. It was born and lives in deceit, perjury, slander and falsified evidence.

  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1225419 - Tue Apr 10 2018 09:02 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: G-man

Yeah, it sucks that the media and the Obama DoJ covered up for the Clinton Crime Syndicate but someone else getting away with a crime isn't a defense to criminal charges if there is credible evidence against Cohen and/or Trump.


You were posting at the same time I was.

I agree that technically that is true. But the selective prosecution of Trump on the most strained of charges, while simultaneously ignoring the Himalayan mountains of evidence against Hillary Clinton, and ignoring the criminal actions of Rosenstein, Comey, Strzok and the rest I mentioned, and giving them a free pass while going after Trump and his officials.

It is TECHNICALLY right and lawful, but it is clearly selective and vindictive enforcement that undermines the rule of law, to the point of undermining all credibility that law and justice in the U.S. still exists. It is obscene abuse of power.

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#1225420 - Tue Apr 10 2018 09:41 AM Re: Stormy weather [Re: Wonder Boy]
the G-man
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The Search of Trump Lawyer Michael Cohen's Office: What We Can Infer Immediately
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