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#1226457 - Sat Jul 28 2018 05:22 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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Whatever. It is a fact that LBJ's "Great Society" spending has created a 50-plus year cycle of poverty and welfare dependency, and has exhausted trillions of dollars on programs that have made America more divided. Money wasted.

And the immigration reform act in 1965 has likewise destroyed and radically transformed America. As I've said repeatedly, importing a foreign electorate to advance globalist destruction of the United States, and the demographic annihilation of the white population that stands in their way.

LBJ was a cynic who lurched this country on the destructive path it is now on, and has been for 50 years since LBJ put it on this trajectory. The only two interruptions being Ronald Reagan, and now Donald Trump. For all Trump's vigor, I fear he cannot reverse it in 8 years. I hope I'm wrong. Huge national debt and importing a third-world electorate are the primary levers with which globalists will destroy U.S. sovereignty and reign us into a globalist system against our will. I set the primary blame for that at LBJ's feet.





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#1226458 - Sat Jul 28 2018 06:13 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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The war on poverty lifted a lot of folks out of poverty. It makes us a better country trying to do that imho. I'm all for improving the fight but that doesn't mean letting people starve in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Trump is blowing up the deficit with additional spending when we're not in recession btw. And he only gets a second term if Putin finds a way to hack our election.

Fair play!

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#1226563 - Wed Aug 15 2018 12:16 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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D'Souza exposes the secret history of LBJ

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#1226570 - Thu Aug 16 2018 12:43 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Ask and ye shall receive

I have zero time for fraudsters like dinesh. He's very much telling a one sided tale and ignoring a lot that doesn't suit the GOP image.

Fair play!

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#1226577 - Thu Aug 16 2018 07:00 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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Exactly how so?

When you label D'Souza a liar, it's on you to prove he's a liar, and at least give a few examples.

I've read two of his books, WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT AMERICA, and THE ROOTS OF OBAMA'S RAGE, and seen two of his documentaries. He cites sourced information. Aside from the fact that he exposes Democrats for what they are, what basis do you have to be dismissive of him?


Kruse says some psychobabble about how whites "seceded" from integrated areas of Atlanta or California, and formed "new nations" in suburb areas. As I've read of these in Buchanan's work and other sources, whites fled urban areas with increasing crime and bad schools, where they were being taxed more and the benefits were paid to unsavory others who weren't paying taxes, race unspecified. And I might add, in the California example, and no doubt Atlanta as well, many black and Asian middle class families are fleeing these urban centers for the suburbs, right along with the whites. It's not "racist" to resent paying higher taxes to pay for welfare and Medicare for people who aren't paying for it, and are often not even citizens let alone taxpayers, and you vote with your feet and go elsewhere, to stop supporting a city where you are fleeced and have no say in how your tax dollars are spent.

Kruse goes out of his way to interpret and spin things in a racial way, naming a few Republican campaign strategists who come up with hypothetical strategies to reach voters in pseudo-racial terms. But those are largely his snarky interpretation. Some of those text pages are very chopped up and vague.

Whereas D'Souza is flatout quoting Lyndon Johnson, in the most incriminating and direct words possible. Well after the Civil Rights legislation was passed in 1964, telling a black caddy that he can be called the n-word or "boy", but LBJ making clear those were his only options, and none of those options would ever come close to being treated as an equal.

The closest Kruse comes to making a clear point is with the Lee Atwater quote. But even there it's not clear he's talking strictly Republican strategy, he seems to be talking about the more subtle use of race throughout the culture. In my lifetime (at 55) I've seen the politically correct terminology go from "colored" or "negro" to "black" to "African American". Let alone the interpretation of what is considered implied racism by blacks. Or even by white liberals. Use of the football team name "Redskins" or "Seminoles" is considered offensive to many white liberal professors, but ironically no problem to many actual Native Americans.

When LBJ at the heart of Civil Rights and "Great Society" legislation, and even years after speaks derisively of and to blacks, when Harry Reid says Obama was an acceptable black presidential candidate in 2008 because he "doesn't speak black dialect that would be offensive to white voters", when Bill Clinton said to Ted Kennedy of Obama "a few years ago he would have been bringing us coffee", when Obama's VP and 2020 hopeful candidate Joseph Biden says Obama is "Bright, articulate and clean..." and a treasure-trove of other racial remarks, when Debbie Wasserman Bitch-Cunt Schultz conspired with other DNC leaders to smear Bernie Sanders as not of Jewish faith to make him unappealing to racist white Christian voters (who by their logic would tolerate a religious Jew, but turn on a secular Jew), to name just a few examples, I really don't see the superior moral high ground for Democrats.

All you ultimately have is another argument of "Well, Republicans do it too." Except they really don't. Not like the Dems.

  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1226578 - Thu Aug 16 2018 08:42 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Well he was convicted of election fraud and since you know that I didn't think it needs to be cited every time. Dinesh doesn't come close to telling the whole story, this is a case of where bias truly drives his narrative. I get where that appeals for some people but it's about as honest as just saying Washington owned slaves and skipping over his achievements.

Fair play!

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#1226585 - Fri Aug 17 2018 06:51 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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Dinesh D'Souza was vindictively and aggressively prosecuted by the Obama justice department precisely because he was an embarassment to Obama. And similar to the witch hunt unleashed against Trump, they pursued D'Souza FAR more aggressively and for an unusually long sentence.

Did D'Souza do something wrong? Yeah. To be precise, he exceeded the amount he was legally allowed to donate to the campaign of a college friend, and exceeded the limit by giving a second donation to the same candidate through another friend.
Were Democrats guilty of the same or worse pursued and convicted? No.
Was the sentence given to D'Souza excessive and beyond the normal sentence for such an offense? Yes.
D'Souza did jail time for over a year. Do most guilty of this offense do jail time? NO.
Was his arrest and conviction politically motivated? ABSO FUCKING LUTELY.

By the same Obama administration that weaponized the IRS against Republican donors, Tea Party and religious conservative groups.
The same Obama administration that weaponized DOJ, FBI and other federal agencies in an attempt to rig the 2016 presidential election for Hillary, and when unsuccessful, to smear and depose Trump based on falsified evidence and falsely obtained FISA warrants. About a dozen officials of DOJ and FBI have either been fired or forced to resign as a result of their participation in that DOJ/FBI political coup on Trump.

And appropriately in light of this DOJ abuse, Trump gave D'Souza a full pardon.

D'Souza certainly has an opinion. But he primarily cites facts, to take apart the demagoguery Democrats have been stereotyping Republicans with for 50 years. I've read D'Souza's books WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT AMERICA and THE ROOTS OF OBAMA'S RAGE, and watched two of his documentaries. What have you read by D'Souza, beyond partisan liberal blogs, to form an opinion of his work?

As is typical of liberal/Democrats, the focus is on defaming D'Souza personally, attempting to treat him dismissively and shut him down, rather than answering the arguments he raises in an honest dialogue.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1226586 - Fri Aug 17 2018 08:22 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Lol, you say this on a thread where you do what you accuse me of. Sorry the guy has no credibility. Beyond his proven fraud that he got partisanly pardoned for he does stuff like claims this country didn't do horrible things to Indians in one book to than declare horrible things were done to Indians by democrats in another book. It's playing partisan games with history. I get why you like it but like I said before it's as honest as just saying Washington owned slaves and leaving out everything he accomplished. LBJ actually accomplished something with civil rights. Remember this was a time where separate but equal was the law. Unthinkable now but back than the south fought and hated the federal government forcing basic equality on them. And not just the South, as I mentioned Trump fought the government in the 70's because he wanted to keep black people out of certain properties.

Fair play!

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#1226587 - Sat Aug 18 2018 05:25 PM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Lol, you say this on a thread where you do what you accuse me of.


You didn't include enough in that sentence to be clear what you're saying.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Sorry the guy [D'Souza] has no credibility.


No, none at all. Beyond writing 21 bestelling books on history and politics, and 4 documentaries that rank among the highest grossing documentaries in film history. And having been president of King's College, and being in high demand on the lecture circuit nationwide.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Beyond his proven fraud that he got partisanly pardoned for...


AGAIN: a minor violation that usually goes unprosecuted or with a fine at worst, for which he was vindictively prosecuted by Obama/Holder's DOJ, precisely because his books were exposing and embarrassing Obama, and were calculated to neutralize D'Souza's influence in the next election.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
... he [D'Souza] does stuff like claims this country didn't do horrible things to Indians in one book to than declare horrible things were done to Indians by democrats in another book.


I've either never heard or don't remember D'Souza ever saying that.
All I have is your sayso.
I would LOVE to know the full context of that alleged remark.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
It's playing partisan games with history.


AGAIN: I've read two of his books. I see him as citing history, and making very clear where his opinion separates from the facts. See THE ROOTS OF OBAMA'S RAGE. He makes very clear what the facts are regarding the Marxist radicalism of Obama's parents, grandparents, and people like Frank Marshall Davis, Rashid Khalidi and William Ayers. But very fairly says (published in 2010) that it would take several years of Obama as president to fairly evaluate how that ideology affected how he governs as president.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
I get why you like it...


No, you really don't. I don't like propaganda that repeats what I want to hear, I like sourced factual perspective that challenges my POV. Pat Buchanan's books are heavily footnoted and sourced. As are D'Souza's. Even Ann Coulter, though clearly about as opinionated in her writing as Harlan Ellison, cites sourced facts, and one can easily see where that separates from her opinion.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
...but like I said before it's as honest as just saying Washington owned slaves and leaving out everything he accomplished. LBJ actually accomplished something with civil rights. Remember this was a time where separate but equal was the law. Unthinkable now but back than the south fought and hated the federal government forcing basic equality on them. And not just the South, as I mentioned Trump fought the government in the 70's because he wanted to keep black people out of certain properties.


Oh, man, the irony!
It is your side, the Democrat/Left, who one-sidedly slanders our founders as racists, and front the notion that monuments to them don't deserve to exist, that the nation itself doesn't deserve to exist, because it was founded on slavery by evil white guys, who enriched themselves by exploiting people of color.
It is your side that indoctrinates this hatred of country in the under-30 crowd, and among blacks and Hispanics, to the point that many say (among Democrats) that they are not proud to be American.

New York Democrat governor Andrew Cuomo, within the last week, made self-loathing comments to this effect about the country, that "America was never great".
I cited a poll within the last month about the huge deficit of national pride between Democrats and Republicans, because yours is the party of white guilt, self-loathing, and hating America.

And combined with hatred and lack of pride in the U.S., the indoctrinated hostility toward capitalism and embracing of its anti-American opposite ideaology, socialism among Democrats.



And in Trump's case, there is a difference between discriminating on people because of skin color, and wanting to exclude a certain segment of the black community who have been proven to not be good tenants.
I actually had a good example of this in the condo building I'm in, a year or two ago. There was a black lady I met while I was planting flowers in front of my building, days after she moved in. She was attractive and had four sons, in a two bedroom sub-let apartment. I was friendly, she seemed nice. It turned out her four sons were by 4 different fathers, ranging in age from 1 infant to two in their late teens. Over the months after, despite that she was friendly her sons were loud, they left trash in the halls, they were rude. About 6 months after, they were evicted. I spoke to the Rumanian couple who owned the place, while they were repairing it. In their brief 6 months or so, this family had punched holes in the walls, they shattered all the sinks! They never paid a month's rent beyond the initial deposit, and it cost them a lot more than the deposit to restore the apartment. They learned to do a background check on anyone they rent to, and it turned out this family had been evicted from 3 other apartments before this one.
In light of that, I don't judge Trump too harshly for wanting to vet (where have I heard that term before?) who are and aren't good tenants. Especially from a guy who is known for promoting blacks, Hispanics and women to high-level positions in his real estate business, long before other companies were doing the same.



  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1226588 - Sun Aug 19 2018 10:43 AM Re: LBJ on 1964 Civil Rights Legislation: "I'll have niggers voting Democrat for 200 years!" [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Despite your accusations of irony I would point out I don't do that with Washington and other historical figures. Their achievements matter and I do keep in mind the times they were living in. You and Dinesh don't here. He may have been respected at one point but outside of folks who view journalists as the enemy of the people he isn't. Nor do I think he challenges your thoughts but feeds into what you really want. LBJ actually moved the country to a better place with civil rights legislation. He lived in a time where where separate but equal was the law. And it wasn't even close to equal. And legal barriers were used for the express purpose of stopping black people to vote. Things I find pretty evil and undemocratic. You are totally doing the Washington owned slaves thing here. Spare me the "your side" crap and raise your own bar.

Fair play!

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