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#1226680 - Mon Sep 03 2018 02:55 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
the G-man
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I note you had to qualify it with only the far-right (as opposed to the right in general) and only murders (as opposed to assaults, property damage, etc.) in order to make your point.
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#1226681 - Mon Sep 03 2018 03:13 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: the G-man]
Matter-eater Man
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My response was that it happens on both sides g. It doesn't excuse anything from any side but right now your side kills more in partisan violence.

Fair play!

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#1226683 - Mon Sep 03 2018 09:03 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
My response was that it happens on both sides g. It doesn't excuse anything from any side but right now your side kills more in partisan violence.



Gee, I missed the dozens times people were physically attacked just for wearing "Hillary 2016" hats!

Or the number of times some Trump supporter shot up a congressional Democrat baseball game, or intimidated or harassed people in restarants or movie theatres just for being Democrats, as Kirstjen Nielsen, Sarah Huckabee, and Pam Bondi were.

It is a strain to find >>ONE<< incident where a Republican attacked Democrats. I can literally cite at least 50 incidents of Democrats attacking Republicans, or fanatic lowlives like Maxine Waters calling for more intimidation of Republican officials in the streets if not violence. After the Hodgkinson baseball incident, there were at least three Democrat strategists within a day who outright called for more shootings of Rupublicans.
So please tell me some more how "it happens on both sides".
>>>>ALL<<< the orchestrated violence and calls for violence are on the Democrat side.

I can only think of one incident where a Republican sucker-punched a Democrat, and that was at a Trump rally where the guy was disrupting a televised Trump speech and being escorted out, where he was not just wearing a hat or a shirt, but was antagonizing a rally auditorium filled with a few thousand Trump supporters, and disrupting the candidate himself during a nationally televised speech. He was being escorted out by security when he was punched. And arguably provoked it. ONE incident. One. Vs. the endless stoked and organized incidents of violence from the Democrat side.




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#1226684 - Mon Sep 03 2018 09:38 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
The far-right was responsible for the majority of extremist killings in 2017 Violence from either side is unacceptable but spare me your pretend world where it's just the other side g.


I expected this to be the Southern Poverty Law Center, but it was compiled by the Anti-Defamation League, an overtly Jewish advocacy group that is firmly aligned with the Democrat Left.

They cite "a doubling" of "right wing killings" in 2017 over the previous year. They cite a total of 34 "extremist" killings. Of which they attribute "59%" to right-wing racist/white-nationalist groups.
So easy math, that's a grand total of 20 deaths by "right-wing" groups. So if that's a doubling over the previous year, there were 10 "right-wing" killings the previous year. And the only one they list by name is Heather Heyer. And as I said abundantly in the Charlottesville topic, it looks like the car driver was mobbed by Antifa clubbing his car that made him drive his car into the crowd in an attempt to escape an unprovoked beating. So Heather Heyer was not intentionally targeted and killed as a hate-crime, it was essentially an accident, and as I cited elsewhere, actually deliberately provoked by Antifa, not right-wingers.
And I'd love to know who these other 9 of the 10 were. I'd be willing to bet that the two police officers who died patrolling Charlottesville in a low-flying helicopter that crashed (completely unrelated to the protests or violence) were also included in that "doubling of right-wing deaths in 2017". Which is again including two who died in an accident, not from "right-wing violence", except by twisting the criteria to expand "right wing deaths." So that already brings the "increase" down to 7.
I've already decreased the increase by 30%!

And a "doubling of killings" and "59% of all extremist killings" sounds like hundreds more "right-wing" killings. But it's a manipulation, a deceit. And given that 3 of the 10 if I identified them correctly are a lie, I'm not confident that the other 7 are not a lie as well.

I wonder if ADL felt the same compulsion to tabulate the increase in violent black/liberal attacks and deaths after the George Zimmerman verdict, or after Ferguson, MO "hands up don't shoot" rhetoric that stoked violence, Or after Christopher Dorner who lavished praise on CNN and MSNBC reporters and anchors as the inspiration for his online manifesto.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt
Dorner killed 5 and injured 6 more, so would have damn near "doubled" the "extremist violence" of the Demcorat/Left the year it occurred.

Since ADL doesn't disclose its criteria, the likelihood is that they have twisted their criteria to manufacture a "RIGHT WING VIOLENCE DOUBLES IN 2017" headline.
While --of course!-- year after year downplaying "left-wing" violence.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1226685 - Mon Sep 03 2018 10:07 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You and other Trump supporters cite that one from Obama as if that than makes all of Trump's lies okay. You know he can't even give testimony under oath because he'll lie. And here's a big difference between us, I didn't imagine acts of violence against the other side because a democrat was being investigated. Or our free and independent press the enemy of the people. You talk about the rule of law but it looks like Trump supporters are gearing up for a fight against it and their fellow countrymen.



It was the "Lie of the Year" as cited by Factcheck, M E M!
That's a very significant lie, and far from Obama's only one.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...e-plan-keep-it/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/11/fact-check-keeping-your-health-plan/3500187/

How about "not a smidgen of corruption" in the Lois Lerner/IRS harassment and auditing of conservative groups in 2010-2012.

Or the deliberate misinformation about the Sept 2012 Benghazi attack, where Obama and Hillary's own later-revealed e-mails to others proved to unquestionably be knowing liars in the narrative they fronted for months.

ANY of those three alone >>FAR<< exceed the worst misstatements or lies of anyone in the Trump administration. And there are far more. And that's not even including the current DOJ/FBI and FISA court abuses, and vindictive/selective prosecutions, that are nothing short of a political coup.



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#1226686 - Tue Sep 04 2018 07:37 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Obama's lie of the year wouldn't even be a blip on Trump's. Now that you have a lying piece of shit with an R behind his name it's the Factcheck you attack as long with the FBI, media, woman, dem party and any republicans that don't tow the Trump lies. No criminal charges in the IRS scandal btw with Trump administration not pursuing it further. If that was a democrat administration I suspect you would be calling them out for their corruption for not pursuing it further.

Fair play!

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#1226688 - Wed Sep 05 2018 10:44 AM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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Yeah, Obama and Hillary using DOJ, FBI, CIA and NSA, and the FISA court, to hire foreign nationals to attempt to bait Trump officials into entrapment on "Russia collusion" they never initiated, and when that woulddn't work ensnaring them with perjury traps, and resurrecting charcges (Manafort) FBI didn't have evidence to pursue 12 years ago, all in an attempt to launch a coup to remove Trump as our elected president, that's barely a blip, right? Just an abuse of power that eclipses Watergate.

And before that, Obama weaponized the IRS in 2010-2012, to win an election by a narrow 1% that Obama should have lost, if not for his abuse of power.

You've yet to name any "Trump lies" that compare in any way to the enormous Obama/Hillary scandals I've listed.

And McCain chose to involve himself in the Deep State conspiracy to undermine and cripple Trump. I was astonished when Romney also came out of the woodwork to attack and try to destroy Trump's candidacy. Both failed milquetoast Republican presidential candidates with little credibility left, both who lost elections they should have won. Trump gave them a lesson on how to do that.

And I would imagine that the same people who buried the Hillary/e-mails investigation in 2016 are the same people who buried the Lois Lerner investigation.
Both of which STILL WARRANT PROSECUTION.

With a new attorney general, that will happen. I find it really odd that Jeff Sessions, who was the very first prominent Republican to endorse Trump and make his 2016 victory possible, has been so dithering and obstructive as attorney general. It's as if someone put a gun to his head and told him not to, and intimidated or blackmailed him into not investigating.


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#1226689 - Wed Sep 05 2018 08:15 PM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Or he's putting country before party.

Fair play!

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#1226692 - Thu Sep 06 2018 07:13 AM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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Or Sessions is driven by ulterior motives. No one but a liberal partisan could call the FBI/DOJ investigation of Trump (as compared to the Hillary investigation where they handed out immunity like candy, in exchange for nothing) to the aggressive prosecution of Trump officials with perjury traps and sentences WAY beyond what is normally given others for similar charges to be equal justice under the law. Sessions is either a Deep State agent, or is incompetent. In either case, he won't be there mucch longer.

Likewise, Rod Rosenstein should be criminally prosecuted for submitting evidence he knew to be false to get a FISA warrant. To get spy surveillance on the president and his staff, no less.

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#1226721 - Sun Sep 09 2018 10:04 AM Re: RIP John McCain [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Matter-eater Man
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
?..Now that you have a lying piece of shit with an R behind his name it's the Factcheck you attack as long with the FBI, media, woman, dem party and any republicans that don't tow the Trump lies....


Sessions isn't an anomaly. You continue to try to make Trump a victim WB instead of holding him to any type of accountability.

Fair play!

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