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#1226769 - Fri Sep 14 2018 07:53 PM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: the G-man]
Matter-eater Man
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You can easily google it and see that it generated many stories and actually it isn't over the course of months but years. And that ignores Trump actually being held responsible for the press he generates by his own actions.

Fair play!

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#1226770 - Sat Sep 15 2018 09:19 AM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You can easily google it and see that it generated many stories and actually it isn't over the course of months but years. And that ignores Trump actually being held responsible for the press he generates by his own actions.



The fact that Obama did far worse as president on the same issues (attacking Fox News as not a real news agency, attempting to ban Fox from White House press conferences, arresting James Rosen and another reporter for talking to an Obama-administration leaker, doing electronic surveeillance on the Associated Press...) and it barely made a ripple in the liberal Obama-Newspeak media, belies that rationalizatioin as completely false, M E M.

  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1226771 - Sat Sep 15 2018 09:23 AM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
And plenty of wealthy people donate/buy GOP candidates. The tax breaks are for them for starters



Mark Zuckerberg: Democrat
George Soros: Democrat
Warren Buffett: Democrat
Bill Gates: Democrat
Jeff Bezos: Democrat
Geoffrey Immelt: Democrat

Yes, because all the billionaires and captains of industry are all Republicans, right, M E M?

Come on, man, give me a break. For you and other demagogues on the Left, wealth only becomes evil when some ratio of the time it is used to fund Republican campaigns.

  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1226772 - Sat Sep 15 2018 09:35 AM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Obama's birth certificate was front page material for months. Trump actually generates his stories like he did that one for Obama. When do you hold him accountable?



I'm not sure exactly what your point is on this one.

In the media, it was portrayed as Republican racists who were demanding Obama's birth certificate. And as my posts for 9 years here back up, I never considered this the best issue to attack Obama on, that it just played into Democrat hands, because it's very clear that Obama was born in Hawaii, where both his parents met and attended college.

The demand for Obama's birth certificate, that every other presidential candidate provided, is a legitimate one. The allegation that he was born in Kenya is completely false, and even the likes of Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly quickly reported that. It was a fringe of Republicans who bought and promoted that narrative, NOT the Republican mainstream. And certainly not me.

The Obama-Newspeak media also neglected to report that:
1) it was the Hillary Clinton campaign that first raised the slander narrative that Obama was not born in the U.S. and demanded Obama's birth certificate,
and
2) it wasn't racist and unique to a black presidential candidate, the same slander narrative treatment was given to John McCain, alleging McCain was "not a U.S. citizen" and therefore not eligible to be president, even though he was in truth born at a U.S. Naval base in Panama. (Which again, was a slander campaign begun within the Hillary Clinton campaign, that the mainstream media minimally if at all reported.)


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#1226777 - Sat Sep 15 2018 11:40 AM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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the Hillary campaign did it has been debunked so many times. You can't even hold Trump accountable for his own birtherism or well anything he says or does. Dictators proclaim free and independent press as the enemy of the people. Trump regularly making that declaration should bother you.

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#1226778 - Sat Sep 15 2018 07:13 PM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
the Hillary campaign did it has been debunked so many times. You can't even hold Trump accountable for his own birtherism or well anything he says or does. Dictators proclaim free and independent press as the enemy of the people. Trump regularly making that declaration should bother you.



It's beyond dispute that the Hillary Clinton campaign stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders, rigging the result with leaders in the DNC, and self-incriminatingly revealed in the Wikileaks exposure of internal DNC e-mails, including those of Donna Brazile, and Debbie Wasserman-bitch-cunt-Schultz (the latter of whom was immediately rehired the same day as her DNC chair resignation by the Clinton campaign). And Donna Brazile, despite her corruption, was enbraced as Shultz' replacement as head of the DNC. Both evil and shamelessly corrupt. As is Hillary.

All Donald Trump did with the Birther issue was ask for Obama's birth certificate. He didn't say Obama was born in Kenya, he said every other candidate has shown their birth certificate, and if the birther allegation is false, then Obama should have no problem producing his birth certificate. And like so many other things Trump does, many other people tried to get Obama to do so, but it was Trump's public pressure that caused a drop in Obama's polls that finally got Obama to reveal his birth certificate.


And Trump's off the cuff comments about "fake news" CNN and liberal media doesn't bother me, because it is so demonstrably true. Almost every day there are more examples of the media alleging things that a day later are proven false. The Kavanaugh sex allegations disproven by over 60 of the women who were allegedly assaulted in their public statement yesterday. Allegations from Woodward's new book disputed by the White House officials allegedly quoted as "pure fiction".

So often they are annonymous allegations with no named sources (i.e., MADE UP) that they would withhold the story for if the same allegations were made about a Democrat.

As I said earlier:

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The fact that Obama did far worse as president on the same issues (attacking Fox News as not a real news agency, attempting to ban Fox from White House press conferences, arresting James Rosen and another reporter for talking to an Obama-administration leaker, doing electronic surveillance on the Associated Press...) and it barely made a ripple in the liberal Obama-Newspeak media, belies that rationalization [that Trump is the worst offeender regarding suppression of the media, and the media is therefore justified in lashing out at Trump with every weapon in their media arsenal] as completely false.



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#1226903 - Thu Oct 04 2018 09:47 AM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
the Hillary campaign did it has been debunked so many times. You can't even hold Trump accountable for his own birtherism or well anything he says or does. Dictators proclaim free and independent press as the enemy of the people. Trump regularly making that declaration should bother you.



I fully answered that above. Trump is not a birther, he just humiliated Obama publicly about Obama's evasiveness, and caused Obama to drop in the polls until Obama finally, after four or five years, to finally release his birth certificate, as every other 2008 candidate and previous candidate had years before.

Trump in a nationally covered power-play, humiliated Obama. That does not make Trump a birther. It just means that, as in so many other areas, Trump was able to make it happen and make Obama finally concede his birth certificate, where many others had failed to.

That was his opening shot on Obama.
He has deliciously followed through by destroying virtually every last vestige of Obama's failed cultural marxist America-destroying presidency. Obamacare (defunded at least), The Iran Deal, crippling taxes, closing the open borders, rebuilding our gutted military, crushing ISIS in Iraq/Syria. All of it.


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#1226911 - Thu Oct 04 2018 09:09 PM Re: Donald Trump's pushback at a media that despises and treats him badly [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Even if Trump was making the kook aid and not drinking it himself doesn't mean the birther label doesn't apply. I think it makes him worse to be honest. I of course can't speak to how Obama felt about Trump's birtherism but it made me feel sad that he was able to build a base of support with a lie.

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