The 2005 Academy Awards

It's happened before..why is that wow? Halle and Denzel won...

Million Dollar Baby for Best Director AND Best Movie?

Wow again.

I guess I should say two black MALE Oscar winners in one night, since Denzel and Halle won a few years ago.

Kristogar might be on to something. The Academy has it out for Martin Scorsese. I thought he'd win director and best film.

Eastwood is the man.

Marty should have won for Goodfellas, not to mention Raging Bull.

Casino rocked too!

Raging Bull not winning was ridiculous. I actually liked Ordinary People a lot(great book, maybe a better movie), but Raging Bull is one of the greatest movies ever.

What's even more ridiculous is that people were saying Million Dollar Baby is the best boxing movie ever.

Another disappointing Academy Awards program..I'm glad i only watched the last 15 minutes.

I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby yet.

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Wednesday said:
Doubt it.

Did you really? 'cause I'm pretty sure they engraved Foxx's name on the statue about seven months ago...

What did you think about Jamie Foxes best actor speech? I thought the part about his mom was very moving.

His grandma you mean?

Thats what I meant.

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Pig Iron said:
Another disappointing Academy Awards program..I'm glad i only watched the last 15 minutes.

Then how do you know...

...never mind.

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Wednesday said:
Million Dollar Baby for Best Director AND Best Movie?

Wow again.

Agreed. I was really glad that Hollywood didn't take the piss on this one. Scorsese may have been "owed" his Oscar, but Eastwood deserved to win. While The Aviator took home more statues, Million Dollar Baby took home the biggies, which made me very happy.

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rex said:
What did you think about Jamie Foxes best actor speech? I thought the part about his mom was very moving.

Agreed. That was truly moving. A lot of the people I was watching with almost cried.

I'm talking about the winners....no not so much the winners, but the nominees.

And the highlight of the show was...............

i love these award shows! i know im a loser but im obsessed with everything and anything celebrity related.

i thought chris rock was hilarious and laughed throughout the entire show.

i was semi disappointed with the in memoriam part. seemed rather short and just didnt seem as sad as it should with all the great ones that were lost this year.

I thought Sean Penn was an gigantic loser for his comment when presenting his award . Like how many people across america that watched the show rolled thier eyes at the same time. Gimme a break! I mean i dont get into the whole political thing and i dont like it when the actors try to make me believe what they want . But come on sean penn... lighten up! It was a joke about JUDE LAW!!

The part where chris rock went to the magic johnson theater was hilarious because like all those people i never saw any of the movies nominated. btw i never saw white chicks either

I just made my picks by what ive heard about the films and what i know of the actors and their previous work!

Go morgan freeman!! This was for being over looked in Shawshank Redemption!

What did Sean Penn say? I missed that part.

it was in the beginning monolgue where chris rock was saying and who is jude law? he's in like every movie ive seen this year. he was even listed in the credits of a movie for making cupcakes for the cast.

So sean penn got up there and was like im sorry to say to our host that jude law is one of the finest actors in our craft and for every one jude law theres 5 wonderful actresses. he's so damn stiff. like everything does not have to be sooooooo serious. People there laughed cuz it was a joke!

So chris rock came back after the commercial and was like sean penn my accountants want to talk to you after the show, and he continued with the show. And again the audience laughed! chris rock is awesome!

So he couldn't take a joke. I really hate people like that.

yeh and i used to think he was overlooked by "the academy" because of his strongly voiced opinions but tonight, that was the end of me liking him! Like he needs my support

wooohooooooo, morris county!!!

yaay clint eastwood for bringing his mom too!!!

I loved it when he said that at this point he's thanking his mom for his genes.

yeh that was cool! I was like she's really old!! How old is clint eastwood? i thought he was atleast 70 something!

I like Clint Eastwood, but of the nominees, I thought Scorsese deserved Best Director the most. Visually, his was the better movie. I know cinematography is a different category(which Aviator won, incidentally), but I think the visual aspects is also largely the director's responsibility.

Not that it matters. It's all a sham. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was the best movie of the year as far as I'm concerned. It wasn't even a nominee for Best Picture.

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Animalman said:
Two black Oscar winners in one night! "Amazing!"

this was actually one of the leading headlines on some of the news reports. more specifically, "only the second time two of the top four spots went to african americans."

great, what a frickin honor. maybe they should get asterisks, too?

bringing up the race breakdowns at this point in life is purdy sad. the only one who really cares is halle, who wins awards on behalf of all other black people. ... at least half of her does.

can't they just be two great actors who won? ... or... wait a second, can't they just be one kick ass actor who finally won, and another winner who did a really good impression and used t'be wanda on "in living color" ?

"i'm red t'go!"

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Kristogar Velo said:
I'm pretty sure they engraved Foxx's name on the statue about seven months ago...

aye.

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Ultimate Jaburg53 said:
Marty should have won for Goodfellas, not to mention Raging Bull.

scorsese shoulda won before, yeah. a few times perhaps.

but not this time.

i'm glad clint won this time around, though. in my mind, it "baby" did an overall better job, versus "aviator."

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difficult kind said:
i was semi disappointed with the in memoriam part. seemed rather short and just didnt seem as sad as it should with all the great ones that were lost this year.

agreed.

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difficult kind said:
I thought Sean Penn was an gigantic loser for his comment when presenting his award

agreed, again.

i'm sure even jude law cringed.

penn is a tool.

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Rob Kamphausen said:

this was actually one of the leading headlines on some of the news reports. more specifically, "only the second time two of the top four spots went to african americans."

great, what a frickin honor. maybe they should get asterisks, too?

I completely agree. Why should everyone have to be labeled?

Another thing that bothered me was when Hillary Swank won the announcer said that her character was the first female boxer to be nominated. What was the point of that?

When I win an academy award I want them to announce me as one of the few conservatives in Hollywood!

One day, I will be an actor, and I will play a gay retarded man dying of cancer during the Holocaust. I will then sit back and watch the awards come pouring in.

Here's another great picture:

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King Snarf said:
One day, I will be an actor, and I will play a gay retarded man dying of cancer during the Holocaust. I will then sit back and watch the awards come pouring in.

heh
He said he would "play" a gay retard.

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the G-man said:
You know is REALLY enjoying the work Rock is doing tonight?

David Letterman.

LOL!

Your anger towards anyone who dares criticize Bush has made you almost incoherent!

I figured he meant that Letterman was happy seeing someone finally stick it to the Academy.

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difficult kind said:

I thought Sean Penn was an gigantic loser for his comment when presenting his award . Like how many people across america that watched the show rolled thier eyes at the same time. Gimme a break! I mean i dont get into the whole political thing and i dont like it when the actors try to make me believe what they want . But come on sean penn... lighten up! It was a joke about JUDE LAW!!

My problem with Penn, apart from his lack of any sense of humour was that he called Law "one of OUR finest actors".

Had no idea Penn was British...

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the G-man said:
You know is REALLY enjoying the work Rock is doing tonight?

David Letterman.

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PaulWellr said:
LOL!

Your anger towards anyone who dares criticize Bush has made you almost incoherent!

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Wednesday said:
I figured he meant that Letterman was happy seeing someone finally stick it to the Academy.

Actually, I thought the "GAP" joke, though it went on a little long, was one of Rock's better ones.

Rock was just not on his game last night. And, while Penn is a humorless tool, Rock's continued-and sometimes mean-digs at the people who were there that night cast a pall over the event...and led to things like Penn's outburst.

OTOH, it's not all Rock's fault. I think he did the best he could for someone not at all appropriate for the job he was given.

There are really two types of comics: toastmasters and observational comics. The first are better hosts, letting the "guests" shine (see, eg, Carson or Crystal) the second are better storytellers who need to dominate the event and don't do well when they can't be themselves (See, eg, Letterman or Rock)

Furthermore, hiring a person who doesn't like an event to host that event is not really the way to make that event run well. Rock has made it clear he's not a fan of awards shows. And his performance last night demonstrate his unease with the format.

So, Rock, like Letterman, will go down as a poor choice for host.

I'm not. I think it's refreshing to have a host like Rock every once in a while. Carson and Crystal were both outstanding hosts, but even their style of "letting the 'guests' shine" gets tired after a while. Rock was the perfect choice for host, in my opinion, especially considering the layman's view of the awards of late. He said what a lot of people have been thinking, and made an awards show that wouldn't have garnered very much public interest on nominees alone interesting.

I'm a HUGE Chris Rock fan.......but I agree 100% with G-Man he was terrible.....he made me laugh a few times but he was way out of his league.....he should stick to VH1 or MTV .....I didn't like the digs at Bush mainly because it's a room full of Bush haters.....they don't need any encouraging they are already delusional. Somebody like Jon Stewart or Bill Maher or even Bill Cosby would make great hosts Rock is too young too angry and too vulgar for a show of this stature........and like I said I am a huge fan.....I have all his comedy DVDs ....it was just the wrong forum for him.

Chris was not good.

The whole telecast seemed rough around the edges.

I got these awards right:

Swank
Fox
Freeman (I felt confident that Alda's moment was getting the nom)
Blanchett (she was great as Kate Hepburn)
THE INCREDIBLES for Best Animated

But I thought THE AVIATOR would win Best Pic and that Marty would finally get his trophy for Direction.

Was Hoffman stoned during the Pic awarding at the end?

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Animalman said:
Kristogar might be on to something. The Academy has it out for Martin Scorsese. I thought he'd win director and best film.

You have to wonder if Marty's thinking the same thing. I was convinced he'd get the statue for Direction.

I wonder if Marty's now thinking, "Well, I handed this honorary thing to Lumet tonight, and in 10 years, Tarrantino's gonna be handing one to me."

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Ultimate Jaburg53 said:
I haven't seen Million Dollar Baby yet.

My daughter and I are gonna check it out this coming weekend. I loved Swank in Boys Don't Cry. And Freeman's always good. He's just that reliable.

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rex said:
Another thing that bothered me was when Hillary Swank won the announcer said that her character was the first female boxer to be nominated. What was the point of that?

To keep the audience engaged while the winner trots up onstage. It's equivalent to the running scroll at the bottom of CNN or ESPN...

I was reading a piece in The Sunday Times in which Marty was making some rather disparaging comments about the awards. The Oscars are taken quite seriously and at times they do come across as a bit cliquey. I wonder if he hasn't alienated some of the people involved in the awards.

Not that it matters. Marty's made films that will still be watched, enjoyed and analysed long after many Oscar winners have been forgotten.

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PJP said:
I'm a HUGE Chris Rock fan.......but I agree 100% with G-Man he was terrible.....he made me laugh a few times but he was way out of his league.....

I thought his "Next year's awards in the parking lot" line was great. But that was about it.

bad signal
WARREN ELLIS

It's 6am in Los Angeles. And,
somewhere in Hollywoodland,
Martin Scorcese still prowls the
streets, looking for a large man
from Queens to fuck right in the
eyesocket.

Still reeling from the impossible
notion that an eighty-hour-long
film featuring the box office gold
of Leonardo DiCaprio in a top hat
was somehow not Oscarworthy,
the man's brain must be full of
blood bubbles this morning. How
could the Academy reject the raw
dramatic tension of an obscenely
rich man and the insoluble problem
of how to spend all his fucking money
while looking for fresh milk bottles
to fill with his thick green urine?

If only he'd played Katharine
Hepburn himself. He did okay in
his cameo roles, right? A pair of
jodhphurs and a fine caking of
carmine lipstick, and he'd have one
of those little gold men to fondle
too. And then he could beat Harvey
Weinstein to death with it.

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Jim Jackson said:
Was Hoffman stoned during the Pic awarding at the end?

He was stumbling through his lines and was standing about two feet away from the microphone. Something was going on there.

There was a rumor saying that him and Barbara Steisand were constantly bickering on the set of Meet The Folkers, I think what happened last night had something to do with that.

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Rob Kamphausen said:
great, what a frickin honor. maybe they should get asterisks, too? bringing up the race breakdowns at this point in life is purdy sad. the only one who really cares is halle, who wins awards on behalf of all other black people. ... at least half of her does.

Rob, this is neither the time nor the place for serious discussion. I'm dissapointed in you.

I agree that it's sad that it's always brought up...but I also think it's sad that so few black actors/actresses have won Oscars.

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Jim Jackson said:
I got these awards right:

Swank
Fox
Freeman (I felt confident that Alda's moment was getting the nom)
Blanchett (she was great as Kate Hepburn)
THE INCREDIBLES for Best Animated

Those were my picks as well.

I like Cate Blanchett a lot, and she did a superb job with what she was given, but the Hepburn character in The Aviator was a complete and utter joke. It was as if instead of actually trying to portray the person the writer simply put in Hepburn's character from Philadelphia Story(or Bringing Up Baby, or any of her other well-to-do, socialite characters).

By pretty much all accounts(friends, family, biographers), Hepburn hated the press, and was very uncomfortable with the attention they paid her. She was a tomboy, thanks to having only male siblings, and she thought the sugarcoated, glamour image Hollywood projected was bullshit(which it is).

She was not the jealous, attention-starved flirt The Aviator portrayed her as(and I sincerely her leaving Hughes had anything to do with his becoming more famous than her, which is pretty much what the movie implied). She was also not the type to act differently around different people(as implied in the scene where Howard meets her family). She was quite famous for being straightforward, and brutally honest.

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Was Hoffman stoned during the Pic awarding at the end?

I was sure he was drunk when he was presenting with Barbra Streisand(who called him "Bernie", his character from Meet the Fockers, for some reason).

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rex said:
There was a rumor saying that him and Barbara Steisand were constantly bickering on the set of Meet The Folkers, I think what happened last night had something to do with that.

Certainly wouldn't be the first time Streisand was accused of bickering with co-stars.

I remember a few years ago that her neighbors in L.A(or where-ever her main house in California is) tried to have her evicted from the community. I don't remember why. Probably because she's annoying bitch.

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The Time Trust said:
bad signal
WARREN ELLIS

It's 6am in Los Angeles. And,
somewhere in Hollywoodland,
Martin Scorcese still prowls the
streets, looking for a large man
from Queens to fuck right in the
eyesocket.

Ellis completely ripped that line from Hunter Thompson. Sad.

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Jim Jackson said:
Was Hoffman stoned during the Pic awarding at the end?

I actually didn't notice too much wrong with him. Penn, on the other hand, looked like he was stoned, drunk, and had just woken up for a nap when he presented for Best Actress...

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Animalman said:
I like Cate Blanchett a lot, and she did a superb job with what she was given, but the Hepburn character in The Aviator was a complete and utter joke. It was as if instead of actually trying to portray the person the writer simply put in Hepburn's character from Philadelphia Story(or Bringing Up Baby, or any of her other well-to-do, socialite characters).

Be that as it may, Cate was playing the Kate we, the fans, knew, and that still took an acting ability. She convinced me she was channeling Hepburn, thus increasing the movie's believability (I felt Leo did similar as Hughes).

Furthermore, THE AVIATOR'S Hepburn was a character in a piece of cinematic fictional drama. THE AVIATOR was not a documentary, so there was no reason to play Hepburn as she may have *really* (really) been.

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rex said:
And the highlight of the show was...............

You are wise.

I thought Rock started out good & then fizzled. Can't believe I'm saying it but he was just not funny once you got past the political humor. Most of the movies I've yet to see so can't really comment about who deserved what. Was kind of rooting for the actress from the Kinsey movie but also really like who won. Nice to see Eastwood win. Can't wait to see The Incredibles (that may have been the one movie worth seeing on the big screen)

Actually fell asleep at one point & missed the end of it.

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Matter-eater Man said:
I thought Rock started out good & then fizzled. Can't believe I'm saying it but he was just not funny once you got past the political humor. Most of the movies I've yet to see so can't really comment about who deserved what. Was kind of rooting for the actress from the Kinsey movie but also really like who won. Nice to see Eastwood win. Can't wait to see The Incredibles (that may have been the one movie worth seeing on the big screen)

Actually fell asleep at one point & missed the end of it.

Eastwood is a conservative republican.................still happy he won!

Still an Eastwood fan anyways. Unless the politics are extreme I don't really care what an actor thinks politically.

Yeah, I'm all about separating art from artist, which is why I can still stand to see Sean Penn in movies. Just not listen to his thoughts on... well, anything.

Tim Robbins is an asshole

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Oscar presenter Tim Robbins makes a gesture toward host Chris Rock, after Rock's comments about his politics during the 77th Academy Awards.

Wow, great out of context picture there, Rex.

For all you know it was completely playful.

looks playful enough.

i don't agree with many of tim robbin's politics, but he seems like a genuine nice guy who doesn't go out of his way to be a penn. ...er, dick.

I'm sure it's the same as when I tell you to go Fuck Yourself Ani!

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Chewy Walrus said:
Yeah, I'm all about separating art from artist, which is why I can still stand to see Sean Penn in movies. Just not listen to his thoughts on... well, anything.

ditto...........it would be pretty hard to watch movies if you base your choices on the actors politics............unless your whomod of course.

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Animalman said:
Wow, great out of context picture there, Rex.

For all you know it was completely playful.

Yes, because we've already established he has a sense of humor.

Actually, he was laughing at Rock's comments when he came out. He handled the joke about him a lot better than Sean Penn handled the joke about Adrien Brody.

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Joe Mama said:
Actually, he was laughing at Rock's comments when he came out. He handled the joke about him a lot better than Sean Penn handled the joke about Adrien Brody.

Yeah he was definitely not mad......he was laughing and goofing around with Rock.................

but I was serious when I told Ani to Fuck Off!

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PJP said:
I'm sure it's the same as when I tell you to go Fuck Yourself Ani!

Not exactly, you tell me that because you have a small penis.

See, that's playful!

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rex said:
Yes, because we've already established he has a sense of humor.

What makes you think he doesn't have a sense of humor?

I think if someone makes a joke about you and you're laughing with them as you give the finger, we can go ahead and file it under 'playful'...

The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind won best screenplay. There is justice in the world.

I could never stay mad at Ani for longer than 3 posts.

.......Robbins was definitely fooling around and has a great sense of humor....and although he and I are at complete opposite ends of the political spectrum I admire him for realizing he made a mistake when he was so outspoken......and remained more or less silent this campaign season................I mean Willis, Duvall, and Eastwood or very conservative Republicans but they don't go around talking about it......and that's how it should be.

Shelley Duvall is a Republican?

heh....Robert Duvall

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Joe Mama said:
Actually, he was laughing at Rock's comments when he came out. He handled the joke about him a lot better than Sean Penn handled the joke about Adrien Brody.

Jude Law.

Same difference.

shut up.

He was the bomb in Sky Captain yo.

Adrien Brody was in Sky Captain?!?

(I know, I know...you don't have to tell me.)

I actually have to give Tim Robbins a lot of credit.

Last year, when he won best supporting actor, Robbins could have pulled a Penn and tried to make a political speech but he didn't. He made a very graceful speech as I recall.

And, this year, rather than get indignant over Rock's joke. He laughed and made a little joke back. Granted it wasn't the nicest joke ever but you can tell he probably didn't plan on anyone other than Rock seeing it.

Politically, I can't stand the man's politics, but for a Hollywood liberal he seems to try and show some class.

that's what I was saying...........he got a wake up call when Cooperstown cancelled a big celebration for the 10 year anniversary of Bull Durham......he lost it.....and then he realized he fucked up and then has shut his mouth since then.

I'm a big admirer of Robbins. I thought he was fantastic in Hudsucker Proxy and Bob Roberts.

See what I did there? I commented on an actor's body of work as an actor without once mentioning his political stance. Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I enjoy his movies.

I like Tim Robbins a lot.

I really don't know much at all about his political opinions. I mean, I know he's liberal, but I don't know what he's said that provoked so much venom. I probably don't want to know.

I just know that he comes off as a nice guy, certainly one with a sense of humor, and that he's a terrific actor and an underrated writer(Bob Roberts, Dead Man Walking screenplay, Cradle Will Rock).

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Danny said:
I'm a big admirer of Robbins. I thought he was fantastic in Hudsucker Proxy and Bob Roberts.

Not to mention my personal favorite, The Shawshank Redemption.

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See what I did there? I commented on an actor's body of work as an actor without once mentioning his political stance. Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I enjoy his movies.

Good for you, Danny. You're an inspiration to us all.

Well... me at least...

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Animalman said:
I like Tim Robbins a lot.

I really don't know much at all about his political opinions. I mean, I know he's liberal, but I don't know what he's said that provoked so much venom. I probably don't want to know.

I just know that he comes off as a nice guy, certainly one with a sense of humor, and that he's a terrific actor and an underrated writer(Bob Roberts, Dead Man Walking screenplay, Cradle Will Rock).

this statement is very accurate for the past 2 years.............before that he and his wife were approaching the same level of retoric and venom as Michael Moore......they did and said some crazy things...........but he realized it was wrong paid a bit of a price for it and apologized..........Last year before the Oscars (later that night he would win an award) some reporters were trying to bait him into talking about the war and Bush and whatever..........and he politely sidestepped every question and said..."Hey listen.....I'm an actor first and tonight that's all I want to talk about" I liked him again ever since then even though I don't agree with him.

Exactly!

Why does someone's political beliefs have to colour your opinion of someone that much? It's ONE aspect of their personality.

It's like... the Nature Boyz don't care whether or not I'm a liberal. They hate me because I'm a fucktard, not because of my political stance. Which is the way it should be.

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rex said:

Tim Robbins looks like Handi-Man from In Living Color in that picture.

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Animalman said:
I like Tim Robbins a lot.

I really don't know much at all about his political opinions. I mean, I know he's liberal, but I don't know what he's said that provoked so much venom. I probably don't want to know.

I cannot recall specific remarks, but he and Sarandon have been very publically agaisnt the war in Iraq.

good thing for them someone fought for their right to free speech for them.

We're allowed to protest our country's actions. THAT's at the core of what the Founding Fathers wanted.

agreed! someday the people of Iraq will be able to do the same thanks to us. people with privelages often forget others fought for them to have them.

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britneyspearsatemyshorts said:
someday the people of Iraq will be able to do the same thanks to us.

Or they won't.

There's no guarantee that American style Democracy will take hold to the point that we can totally recede from the picture.

we haven't receded from Europe after WWII yet so we won't be leaving Iraq any time soon.......correct once again Jimbo......I think you've got a good shot at mod.....Rob has been PMing me.......and as bsams says he also sent me some messages.

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Jim Jackson said:
We're allowed to protest our country's actions. THAT's at the core of what the Founding Fathers wanted.

That's true.

However, why is that, for a lot of people, the only time they speak up is when it's a criticism?

You'd have to ask them.

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Danny said:
It's like... the Nature Boyz don't care whether or not I'm a liberal. They hate me because I'm a fucktard, not because of my political stance. Which is the way it should be.

jim i would like to commend you for not talking gay today.