I'm just glad they actually got a Russian actor to play Chekhov. Simon Pegg was a surprise for me, though. Not because I don't think he could do Scotty, and do him well. But, because never in a million years would I have pictured him wanting to do it.
This movie could be very good. Or very bad. Guess we'll see which soon enough. The castings of Kirk and Bones will pretty much make-or-break the whole thing for me. I still want Gary Sinise as Bones. Not only is he older than the rest (as Bones was), but he looks damn near like Deforrest Kelly...
Simon Pegg was a surprise for me, though. Not because I don't think he could do Scotty, and do him well. But, because never in a million years would I have pictured him wanting to do it.
Pegg is, I belive, a fanboy. So why wouldn't he want a part, especially given the chance to increase his profile in a big budget remake of a well regarded franchise?
And, yeah, I've been saying for years: Gary Sinise for McCoy
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Simon Pegg was a surprise for me, though. Not because I don't think he could do Scotty, and do him well. But, because never in a million years would I have pictured him wanting to do it.
Pegg is, I belive, a fanboy. So why wouldn't he want a part, especially given the chance to increase his profile in a big budget remake of a well regarded franchise?
And, yeah, I've been saying for years: Gary Sinise for McCoy
I agree with that choice and have always liked Sinise. He was great in MISSION TO MARS and FORREST GUMP.
I was waiting for the first person to freak out about that.
Nope, never gotten around to it. But, then again, I could care less about zombie/horror/gorefest movies and all that. They're all a bit silly to me. But, I've heard nothing but fantastic things about Shaun of the Dead. So, I will definitely be giving it a shot soon...
Pegg is, I belive, a fanboy. So why wouldn't he want a part, especially given the chance to increase his profile in a big budget remake of a well regarded franchise?
And, yeah, I've been saying for years: Gary Sinise for McCoy
It does look like they got a bunch of fanboys to star in this movie. I don't know that I love the choice of Zachary Quinto, but that's really because of that whole "I've got ONE evil look" thing he pulls on Heroes. Then again, I guess that's akin to Nimoy's "I've got ONE inquizzative look" thing from Trek, so mayhaps it'll work out for the best.
Chris Pine, who had been in talks to join the cast of J.J. Abrams' "Star Trek" flick, will play the young James Kirk, while Karl Urban will take on the role of Dr. Leonard McCoy, distributor Paramount confirmed Thursday.
Chris Pine, who had been in talks to join the cast of J.J. Abrams' "Star Trek" flick, will play the young James Kirk, while Karl Urban will take on the role of Dr. Leonard McCoy, distributor Paramount confirmed Thursday.
Karl-Heinz Urban (born June 7, 1972) is a New Zealand actor. He may be best known for playing Éomer in the second and third installment of Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Kirill (Jason Bourne's opposite number) in The Bourne Supremacy, the lead role in the movie adaptation of video game Doom, and Vaako from The Chronicles of Riddick.
While Leonard Nimoy is reprising his role as the pointy-eared Vulcan in next year's science-fiction flick, William Shatner is not on board as Kirk.
"I couldn't believe it. I'm not in the movie at all. Leonard, God bless his heart, is in, but not me," Shatner, 76, told The Associated Press on Thursday. "I thought, what a decision to make, since it obviously is a decision not to make use of the popularity I have to ensure the movie has good box office. It didn't seem to be a wise business decision."
Director J.J. Abrams announced last summer that Nimoy would reprise the role he originated opposite Shatner in the 1960s television show and played again in six big-screen adventures.
Abrams said Shatner probably would have a part in the film, which is due in theaters in December 2008. But while Shatner said he had a couple of meetings with Abrams, nothing came of it.
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Past "Trek" films presented an obstacle to the revival of Shatner's Kirk, who died at the end of 1994's "Star Trek: Generations."
But in science fiction, you can never truly say die. Spock was killed off in 1982's "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" then resurrected in 1984's "Star Trek: The Search for Spock," with Nimoy's Vulcan living on to co-star in three more films, two episodes of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" and now Abrams' new movie.
"I've got a lot to do," said Shatner, whose current work includes the TV show "Boston Legal," narration for the Christmas spoof "Stalking Santa" due on DVD on Nov. 6, and the prequel "Star Trek: Academy — Collision Course," a novel chronicling Kirk and Spock's first meeting.
Shatner says of "Star Trek": "Having been in on the creation of it, I was hoping to be in on the re-creation."
Oh give me a fucking break! If Shatner wanted to be in more Trek movies then maybe HE SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED OFF HIS CHARACTER!!!
First he wants to be Kirk. Then, he's done with it and wants to move on. Then he kills Kirk. Then he immediately goes out and starts writing novels about Kirk's resurrection and continued heroics. Then he wants to distance himself from Trek because he won an Emmy for Boston Legal. Now, he's back to wanting to be Kirk and be in Trek. Make up your fucking mind, fatboy!
Instead of supporting the movie, as he should be doing, he's coming off sounding like a spoiled, whiny brat who's griping about not getting what he wants. As if stirring up all the over-forty virgins that still worship the TOS bible would make a difference. Plus, I love how he's like "Well, if they're not going to let me be in the movie, then I'll just go write a book about how I think Kirk and Spock met. The fans will follow ME! Nyah!"
As for "box office" pull due his presence, the man is deluded. I want this movie to be successful, and re-invigorate the Trek franchise. I want modern. I want retcon. I want it to be real, and fast, and hard, and exciting, and good!
I do NOT want "Will........iamShatner!"
Goodbye Shatner. Your Kirk days are done. You brought it on yourself...
Oh give me a fucking break! If Shatner wanted to be in more Trek movies then maybe HE SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED OFF HIS CHARACTER!!!
First he wants to be Kirk. Then, he's done with it and wants to move on. Then he kills Kirk. Then he immediately goes out and starts writing novels about Kirk's resurrection and continued heroics. Then he wants to distance himself from Trek because he won an Emmy for Boston Legal. Now, he's back to wanting to be Kirk and be in Trek. Make up your fucking mind, fatboy!
Instead of supporting the movie, as he should be doing, he's coming off sounding like a spoiled, whiny brat who's griping about not getting what he wants. As if stirring up all the over-forty virgins that still worship the TOS bible would make a difference. Plus, I love how he's like "Well, if they're not going to let me be in the movie, then I'll just go write a book about how I think Kirk and Spock met. The fans will follow ME! Nyah!"
As for "box office" pull due his presence, the man is deluded. I want this movie to be successful, and re-invigorate the Trek franchise. I want modern. I want retcon. I want it to be real, and fast, and hard, and exciting, and good!
I do NOT want "Will........iamShatner!"
Goodbye Shatner. Your Kirk days are done. You brought it on yourself...
well put. I like Shatner, but his days on Star Trek are long behind him. He made the choice 14 years ago to kill Kirk (or he agreed to it or whatever). Now he should move on. It's not like he's George Takei, some pathetic one hit wonder who needs to constantly suck from the Trek Teet. He has a good thing going with Boston Legal and he should leave Trek alone. Besides look how old he is now. Why does he want his current old fat self held in comparison to the young buff guy who took off his shirt every week 40 years ago? Spock works for the film because his character was never killed off and as a Vulcan a long life is expected. He should just be flattered that he created a character that people are still interested in 40 years later and make some cash the checks that will come with the increased merchandising.
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well put. I like Shatner, but his days on Star Trek are long behind him. He made the choice 14 years ago to kill Kirk (or he agreed to it or whatever). Now he should move on. It's not like he's George Takei, some pathetic one hit wonder who needs to constantly suck from the Trek Teet. He has a good thing going with Boston Legal and he should leave Trek alone. Besides look how old he is now. Why does he want his current old fat self held in comparison to the young buff guy who took off his shirt every week 40 years ago? Spock works for the film because his character was never killed off and as a Vulcan a long life is expected. He should just be flattered that he created a character that people are still interested in 40 years later and make some cash the checks that will come with the increased merchandising.
Presactly!
Don't get me wrong: I love James T. Kirk. I loved Shatner as James T. Kirk. But, those days are behind us now.
I'll make a Doctor Who comparison that maybe only a few of you will get. Shatner should be like Tom Baker. Baker was the most famous and loved for his portrayal of the Doctor, in the history of the series. His performance stands the test of time of still being a genuine classic sci-fi icon.
But, when he was done, he was done. And no matter how many people yearn and crave for a "one more time" reprisal of the role, he still refuses to do it twenty-seven years on. He's stated that he basically wants people to remember him and his Doctor as they were, in the prime of his life. He's perfectly happy being remembered for the character, not reminding them of the character.
Shatner should take some cues from his act. Take your curtain call, bow to the audience, and leave the stage gracefully...
First, as you can see the Enterprise is being constructed on Earth, not in orbit. Second, Kirk sleeps with the girl who's responsible for the training systems and has her alter the Kobayashi Maru program for him. Third, people protest his graduation and call him a cheat and stuff. Lastly, that fucking Tyler Perry dude is in it.
QUESTION: If the box office is good, should they attempt another show set in the Classic Trek 'verse? I have a feeling they might.
I wish they would make another Trek show, but only if:
It is fresh and original and has a great cast and storylines
Only if it is to be a very good Trek show, and not just another Trek show for the sake of having one.
I am guilty of not watching Enterprise while it was on - and not appreciating it.. and now,I feel cheated because I got into it posthumously and mourn the missing last three seasons of the show.. this should have been the final year for Enterprise!
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Well then, kiss posting any Daily Show, ABC, NBC, and CBS news clips then. And it's only going ot get worse now that the studios smell $$$$'s from embedded video and it starts getting yanked from YouTube..
pro, if I were really interested in trolling this fine thread, it's generally not hard to find differences of opinion between you and me as concerns the trek anyway.
pro, if I were really interested in trolling this fine thread, it's generally not hard to find differences of opinion between you and me as concerns the trek anyway.
Just because Deep Space Nine rules you all doesn't make everything you like about Trek wrong.
It just makes you wrong for not liking it...
(P.S. I knew you were joking. I am equally surprised in a Halo-esque fashion that you didn't catch the dead-pan in my response. This is a Trek thread. You had an opening for Space-Bugs all over the place. Dammit Phil... )
p.s.: pro, I didn't dislike all of ds9. I thoroughly enjoyed the dominion war. I was actually angling for another discussion of all the enterprise continuity-trampling.
I was actually angling for another discussion of all the enterprise continuity-trampling.
Enterprise didn't do anything to continuity. just a bunch of anal star trek fans who insisted that an offhand remark in an episode be treated as strict history. it really does only conflict with a few remarks made here and there over 25 years. and enterprise even managed to tie up some continuity holes by showing how and why the klingons appearance changed. Enterprise was a decent show.
Does anyone remember that it was orginally stated that the first Captain of the first starship named Enterprise was supposed to be named Captain April?
We learn that in an episode of TOS, but don't ask me which one it was...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Captain Sammitch
I was actually angling for another discussion of all the enterprise continuity-trampling.
Enterprise didn't do anything to continuity. just a bunch of anal star trek fans who insisted that an offhand remark in an episode be treated as strict history. it really does only conflict with a few remarks made here and there over 25 years. and enterprise even managed to tie up some continuity holes by showing how and why the klingons appearance changed. Enterprise was a decent show.
how did they explain the Klingons appearance change?
Captain Robert April was the Captain in the intial pitch Roddenberry wrote. He was the captain of the starship Yorktown. He then went back and toughened up the names to Captain Christopher Pike and Enterprise when someone told him the name April was too "effiminate."
I would put Kirk over Sisko and Yeah Piccard was head and shoulders above all the rest. He set a standard than can never be equaled in my opinion. As far as all this Janeway talk....meh. I felt Chakotay was a better character and leader.
Does anyone remember that it was orginally stated that the first Captain of the first starship named Enterprise was supposed to be named Captain April?
We learn that in an episode of TOS, but don't ask me which one it was...
Captain Robert April was the first captain of the NCC-1701 Enterprise for it's first mission only,then command was given to Captain Pike.Now this was detailed out in a Star Trek novel,so it prolly isn't recognized as "continuity" but it was a damn good read and featured the Romulans(whom I preferred over Klingons as the bad guys).Damn you all for making me reveal my inner Trek geek.
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Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Captain Sammitch
I was actually angling for another discussion of all the enterprise continuity-trampling.
Enterprise didn't do anything to continuity. just a bunch of anal star trek fans who insisted that an offhand remark in an episode be treated as strict history. it really does only conflict with a few remarks made here and there over 25 years. and enterprise even managed to tie up some continuity holes by showing how and why the klingons appearance changed. Enterprise was a decent show.
how did they explain the Klingons appearance change?
Giant space bug.......... IN THE ASS!
Seriously, though, the Klingons were experimenting with duplicating the human program that created Richardo MontoKhan and his ilk. They injected the engineered human genes into some Klingons to make them super badass warriors. Instead, it mutated into a virus that did pump them up like the human variety; but it also killed them and mutated further into an airborne virus. A cure was found, but it made the human gene very dominate, leading to the loss of the head ridges until a better cure was found that restored them.
Does anyone remember that it was orginally stated that the first Captain of the first starship named Enterprise was supposed to be named Captain April?
We learn that in an episode of TOS, but don't ask me which one it was...
Captain Robert April was the first captain of the NCC-1701 Enterprise for it's first mission only,then command was given to Captain Pike.Now this was detailed out in a Star Trek novel,so it prolly isn't recognized as "continuity" but it was a damn good read and featured the Romulans(whom I preferred over Klingons as the bad guys).Damn you all for making me reveal my inner Trek geek.
I stand somewhat corrected.. by a source that surprises me. Didn't know you were into Trek! Cool....
I shall leave you as you left me...as you left her...marooned for all eternity at the center of a dead planet.........buried alive......buried alive....
(L to R) Cadet Pavel Chekhov, Cadet James T. Kirk, Engineer Montgomery "Scotty" Scott, Doctor Leonard "Bones" McCoy, Ensign Hikaru Sulu, Ensign Nyoto Uhura
The CW-aged cast isn't working for me at all. Spock was orginally first officer under Pike and Kirk was supposed to be in his thirties when he commanded the Enterprise. McCoy was older than both and didn't get assigned to the ship until part way through the five year mission. And Chekov was the guy who was supposed to be the newbie out of the academy, not half the crew.
But 1960s-Trek is almost as iconic as Batman to me so I'm admittedly fanboyish and anal retentive about it. I'll reserve judgment until the reviews start coming in.
The CW-aged cast isn't working for me at all. Spock was orginally first officer under Pike and Kirk was supposed to be in his thirties when he commanded the Enterprise. McCoy was older than both and didn't get assigned to the ship until part way through the five year mission. And Chekov was the guy who was supposed to be the newbie out of the academy, not half the crew.
Spock is First Officer under Pike in this movie. Don't know about Bones, but I do know he's assigned 1701 before Kirk in this one, because he's the reason Kirk gets to go on board without being assigned to the ship. And from what I understand, Kirk isn't assigned the Enterprise yet (which is why he's wearing the neutral black outfit). It has to do with him cheating on the Kobyashi Maru test, and causing mayhem as a cadet. He's passed up for assignment when he graduates because he's seen as a troublemaker and loose cannon.
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But 1960s-Trek is almost as iconic as Batman to me so I'm admittedly fanboyish and anal retentive about it. I'll reserve judgment until the reviews start coming in.
You might as well get ready to accept that Abram & Co. are re-writing certain aspects of the timeline for Trek continuity. Judging from the previews, it's exactly what Trek needed, as far as a shot in the arm. Sure, they could have used completely new characters. But, it wouldn't have resonated with everyone as much as using the Classic Crew.
Personally, I don't care how far or much they change it. I'm just looking for a good, fun movie...
I've regarded this as sort of a "Batman Begins" reboot for the Star Trek franchise and if this movie does well,starts a new continuity for the genre.If it fails.......I don't see any future(no pun intended)for the franchise.
It's almost like it's Galaxy Quest without the self awareness that it's supposed to be funny.
I don't know how to say it. It's not that it's too mainstream as much as it seems to be trying too hard to be mainstream if that makes any sense. It's much like the Superman script that turned Kal-El into Neo from the Matrix. Pegg looks like he'd be a good Scotty. I don't really care about who's cast in the other roles except for McCoy. Ain't no goddamn body going to be a better McCoy than DeForest Kelley.
I agree that Gary Sinise would make the best Dr. McCoy, but I think he's a bit too high profile, too established an actor to work for a franchise of actors. From what I've seen, it looks like they picked actors whose stars were on the rise rather than those who have really made it big already. Now, since I know how much you love to argue and contradict what people say, G-Man, no matter how small or petty those details may be, I await your carefully measured lawyerly argument.
I would simply cite the "Batman Begins/Dark Knight" precedent which shows that a perfectly cast "name" actor or two (ex: Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman) among rising stars (ex: Bale, Ledger, Eckhert) can actually improve a film immeasurably.
That's true, as long as you can keep them for more than a couple of films. My only concern is that a name actor would either get bored with the franchise, demand much more money than his no-name fellow actors, or leave after the first film to avoid being typecast.
Yeah, but this is Gary Sinise we're talking about. The guy currently stars in a CSI spinoff. That would seem to eliminate worries about him getting bored with a franchise or worried about typecasting. If anything, the biggest issue would seem to be whether or not the producers could film his scenes around the TV series schedule.
I think he was running from the law, and didn't realize the road ran out. Looked like that chasm was structured, as well. Like the remains of a skyrise basement, or something. I don't know.
Trailer #2 is up in HD over at the Official Site. More detail than the camcorder in the theater version.
And no. No one can possibly be Bones McCoy, save the late, great DeForrest. I'll reserve judgment for what he does with the role until after I've seen the movie.
I think I just want it to be a real action flick with some humor. I've seen enough from the trailer to see that Abrams is sticking in enough continuity to appease me. Pike, check. Enterprise, check. Sarek and Amanda, check. Kirk as rebel/loner, check. Spock torn between human and Vulcan half, check. Scotty is Scotty, check. Sulu is Asian (possibly gay?), check. I'm willing to see pretty much everything else in a new light.
If anything will actually bother me, it will be if Kirk shoots from Cadet to Captain in this movie. Unless the timeframe itself covers the years, I don't want it to be where he saves the Enterprise (due to Pike being injured/absent) and then becomes its Captain and his band of rebels. That might be what I get. But, I hope not...
im no star trek fan, so i dont really care either way, but is there any fanboyish backlash over these characters all having new actors? can there be a non shatner kirk?
im no star trek fan, so i dont really care either way, but is there any fanboyish backlash over these characters all having new actors? can there be a non shatner kirk?
The general consensus seems to be that the Simon Pegg as Scotty and the guy from "Heroes" as Spock are good choices but that Kirk is way too "boy band" looking. Beyond that, I haven't seen much strong opinion either way on the cast.
I don't have a problem with Pine, because I never had any pre-existing notion of what Kirk was like when he was younger than the 1960's version. So, he fits fine for me. I've seen a few press shots where he looks very pretty-boy. But, after seeing the trailer, I believe he can pull it off.
Besides, the gut instincts a lot of fans fight with over the whole recasting is that, somewhere in their mind, they think these new actors will be somehow trying to play the old actors. Pine isn't playing The Shat. He's playing a young James T. Kirk. So, given that, and given we've never seen a Kirk this age, it's really difficult to compare them with any accuracy...
My only "pre-existing notion" of a young Kirk is, I guess, a young Shatner, circa "Judgement at Nuremburg" or "The Brothers Karamazov".
As I recall, Pine got decent reviews for "Smokin' Aces" so he might work out as the young Kirk. Still, of all the actors, I think he has the biggest hurdles to overcome since Kirk is so tied to Shatner and, unlike Spock, you don't have makeup to help with the casting.
Seeing the trailer in on the official website just really puts home the point that Abrams drew more from Star Wars than Star Trek.
"Hey... hey.... That Star Wars.... It's got guys riding around on motorcycles without wheels. That'd be cool if we did that. Hey... hey.... You know what else that Star Wars got? It's got giant alien monsters. We should do that too."
Seeing the trailer in on the official website just really puts home the point that Abrams drew more from Star Wars than Star Trek.
"Hey... hey.... That Star Wars.... It's got guys riding around on motorcycles without wheels. That'd be cool if we did that. Hey... hey.... You know what else that Star Wars got? It's got giant alien monsters. We should do that too."
Saw the Nimoy, though.
But, to be fair, if Roddenberry had the budget in 1966 Trek might have always had those things. For example, the only reason the crew "transported" down to the planet each week was because the show didn't have the budget to show a spaceship landing on a different planet every week.
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Hey calm down, basams! It's just a message board. Sorry, I didn't realize I could piss you off so easily...
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November 18, 2008, 9:51 am J. J. Abrams Reveals His ‘Star Trek’ Movie By Dave Itzkoff
“I’ve never been a fan of ‘Star Trek,’” J. J. Abrams told a movie theater full of journalists on Monday night – a perfectly reasonable sentiment, except that Mr. Abrams happens to be the director of the big-budget, high-stakes “Star Trek” film that Paramount is releasing in May.
For Mr. Abrams, a creator and executive producer of the television shows “Lost,” “Alias” and “Fringe,” this was his possibly sympathetic, possibly suicidal way of explaining the premise of his “Star Trek” movie, the eleventh in the long-running science-fiction franchise.
“Despite all the stuff that a non-fan would find silly, clichéd, crazy, my goal was to make it feel legitimate,” he said. To his mind, that meant exploring the earliest adventures of Kirk, Spock and company – set before the era of the original 1960s “Star Trek” television series – and recasting familiar roles with young, polished, relatively untested actors.
The unspoken but understood message: if Mr. Abrams’s “Star Trek” is going to justify its estimated $150 million budget, it had better reach beyond the die-hard fans of Vulcans, Tribbles and dilithium crystals.
Mr. Abrams then played the new trailer for “Star Trek” as well as four longer clips from the film. While Paramount wouldn’t dare let us photograph or record these scenes, under threat of torture by mind-controlling Ceti eels, we’ll do our best to describe them the old-fashioned way.
1. The young James T. Kirk (played by Chris Pine) is drinking forlornly at a bar in 23rd century Iowa (where they still serve Budweiser). Without much success, he flirts with a young Starfleet recruit named Uhura (Zoe Saldana) and picks a fight with four Starfleet grunts who clobber him. Kirk’s bravado impresses another Starfleet officer, Captain Christopher Pike (Bruce Greenwood), who knew Kirk’s late father, and goads Kirk into joining the Starfleet Academy. “Your father was the captain of a starship for 12 minutes,” Pike tells him. “He saved 800 lives, including your mother’s. Including yours. I dare you to do better.”
2. A medical officer named McCoy (Karl Urban) helps smuggle Kirk aboard the starship Enterprise by injecting him with a vaccine that induces the symptoms of a mysterious disease. While his hands and tongue swell up, Kirk races around the ship, trying to convince the crew they’re about to enter a trap set by the nefarious Romulans. We get our first glimpse of the young Mr. Spock (Zachary Quinto of television’s “Heroes,” in a mop-top haircut and pointy ears), as well as Spock’s human mother (Winona Ryder) and the Romulan bad guy Nero (Eric Bana, in heavy-duty prosthetic makeup).
3. The Enterprise jettisons Kirk on a remote ice planet, where he meets the aged, future incarnation of Spock (ladies and gentlemen, Mister Leonard Nimoy!) as well as a young Starfleet engineer named Montgomery Scott (Simon Pegg). With Old Spock’s help, Scotty completes a mathematical formula that permits living beings to be teleported onto vessels moving at warp speed. (Of course.) As Kirk and Scotty prepare to beam back onto the Enterprise, Kirk wonders if time-traveling and peeking into the future is cheating; Old Spock tells him it’s “a trick I learned from an old friend.”
4. In a lengthy action sequence, Kirk, Sulu (John Cho) and a third, red-shirted Starfleet recruit (don’t get too attached to him) parachute from the upper atmosphere of the planet Vulcan onto a giant drill that is burrowing a hole to the center of the planet. Kirk and Sulu disable the drill, but not before it drops a charge into the planet’s core. Back on the Enterprise, Spock realizes that the charge, when detonated, will create a black hole where his home world used to be – and he now has mere minutes to evacuate the planet’s entire population.
What happens next? Will the new “Star Trek” erase our bitter memories of the last five sequels? (Not including “First Contact,” which I now concede was a pretty good entry in the series.–D.I.) With a crowded summer 2009 season approaching, and movie studios nervously watching their wallets, you can expect many more updates between now and May 8.
Pine looks very Kirk in that shot. I think the thing that's going to bug me with Quinto is his voice. Nimoy has that very distinct gravely, smoking-voice, whereas Zachary has his normal "Sylar" voice. But, then again, I'm just judging that off of the short little clip in the trailer. For all I know it may not even be a factor. He certainly looks a lot like Nimoy...
I think it's been well established that Starfleet in it's early years may not have been overly concerned with practicality. Look at Uhura's outfit for example.
Its not unknown in the military services for higher ranking officers to get high rankings straight after attending academies. Thats the general rule of thumb with fast track training.
Nah...the movie takes place over a couple of decades, from the time he's born, up to the time he becomes Captain. At least, that's what I've read about it. If it turns out to be insta-Captain, I'm going to feel nauseated. Abrams said he's going by the Original Series and movies, and that's it. No other source, professional or fandom, would be considered part of his story. So, technically, it doesn't contradict anything (I don't believe). But, it would still be a bad idea. I do like the hint we get that we see the "accident" that leaves Christopher Pike wheelchair-bound/fucked-up. It would be a nice tie-in.
In the first twenty-four hours after it was released, the newest Star Trek XI trailer has broken records with 1.8 million downloads.
As reported by Reuters, that was not the only record broken by the Star Trek XI trailer. It now holds the record for most weekly downloads, with over five million downloads since debuting on Apple.com/trailers last week. The Star Trek XI trailer is the most popular HD download ever on the Apple site.
Its not unknown in the military services for higher ranking officers to get high rankings straight after attending academies. Thats the general rule of thumb with fast track training.
They come out as Officers, but low ranking Officers. Not captains in charge of large ships.
Nah...the movie takes place over a couple of decades, from the time he's born, up to the time he becomes Captain. At least, that's what I've read about it. If it turns out to be insta-Captain, I'm going to feel nauseated. Abrams said he's going by the Original Series and movies, and that's it. No other source, professional or fandom, would be considered part of his story. So, technically, it doesn't contradict anything (I don't believe). But, it would still be a bad idea. I do like the hint we get that we see the "accident" that leaves Christopher Pike wheelchair-bound/fucked-up. It would be a nice tie-in.
Nah...the movie takes place over a couple of decades, from the time he's born, up to the time he becomes Captain. At least, that's what I've read about it. If it turns out to be insta-Captain, I'm going to feel nauseated. Abrams said he's going by the Original Series and movies, and that's it. No other source, professional or fandom, would be considered part of his story. So, technically, it doesn't contradict anything (I don't believe).
Well, actually, according to the original series continuity (that is, actual episodes aired), Spock was originally on the Enterprise, under Pike, long before Kirk set foot on the ship (Kirk was stationed on a different ship). Furthermore, McCoy didn't get assigned to the ship until sometime after Kirk took over as Captain. On the original series there was a different doctor for the first few episodes.
Similarly, Chekov didn't join the crew until sometime in the middle of the "five year mission."
So, obviously, they're using a different continuity than the original series which, granted, was always loose to begin with.
Its not unknown in the military services for higher ranking officers to get high rankings straight after attending academies. Thats the general rule of thumb with fast track training.
They come out as Officers, but low ranking Officers. Not captains in charge of large ships.
The guy who was Captain of the Enterprise before James T. Kirk. He was played by an actor named Jeffrey Hunter, in the first pilot for Star Trek. The execs didn't like the character, so he was replaced with a character named James Kirk (Shatner) in the second pilot. The transition between the two Captains was never seen, which is part of the timeframe era I believe this new movie covers.
Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
Well, actually, according to the original series continuity (that is, actual episodes aired), Spock was originally on the Enterprise, under Pike, long before Kirk set foot on the ship
Yeah, the original pilot, under Pike's command. This movie covers that, I believe.
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(Kirk was stationed on a different ship).
Was he? I guess I could look it up, but I'm lazy so I'll just accept it.
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Furthermore, McCoy didn't get assigned to the ship until sometime after Kirk took over as Captain. On the original series there was a different doctor for the first few episodes.
I know there was a "Doctor Piper", which was in the first two episodes (maybe?) of the original series, before DeForrest Kelly was cast as Bones. "Doctor Bryce" was under Pike. Still, nowhere in the show did it literally state that Bones wasn't on the ship and we just didn't see him. Same with Chekhov, he could have been in another department. Sulu was in astrophysics in the second pilot, so he obviously shifted jobs. But, it doesn't matter since...
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So, obviously, they're using a different continuity than the original series which, granted, was always loose to begin with.
Bingo!
Eric Bana's character is from the timeframe of Patrick Stewart's Star Trek: The Next Generation. It's time travel. JJ Abrams said this new timeline is an alternate one. The original Shatner-verse still exists. Meh.
In the first twenty-four hours after it was released, the newest Star Trek XI trailer has broken records with 1.8 million downloads.
As reported by Reuters, that was not the only record broken by the Star Trek XI trailer. It now holds the record for most weekly downloads, with over five million downloads since debuting on Apple.com/trailers last week. The Star Trek XI trailer is the most popular HD download ever on the Apple site.
...Chekhov, he could have been in another department.
Not to belabor a point that I think we're largely in agreement on, but Chekov was at least ten years younger than Kirk. As such it's almost impossible that he would have been serving with "Young Kirk" in the new movie if they were using ToS continuity. However, as you note:
Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
Eric Bana's character is from the timeframe of Patrick Stewart's Star Trek: The Next Generation. It's time travel. JJ Abrams said this new timeline is an alternate one. The original Shatner-verse still exists. Meh.
Yeah, if they were going to do a reboot, they just should have done a reboot. Either that, or keep the original continuity as much as possible. This half-measure thing is unlikely to satisfy a lot of people.
If they hadn't used the Patrick Stewart/CIA chief design from "American Dad" for Stewart I would have had no idea who any of those people in the transporter were. They all look like generic Seth MacFarlane characters.
If they hadn't used the Patrick Stewart/CIA chief design from "American Dad" for Stewart I would have had no idea who any of those people in the transporter were. They all look like generic Seth MacFarlane characters.
If they hadn't used the Patrick Stewart/CIA chief design from "American Dad" for Stewart I would have had no idea who any of those people in the transporter were. They all look like generic Seth MacFarlane characters.
You know it's an episode, right?
Yeah and I admit I haven't seen it yet (has it even aired). I was just remarking that these weren't his best bunch of caricatures IMO.
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
gay
Yeah, I mean like Trek and all, but some of those Trekkies have no emotional priority. It's just a fucking sci-fi movie.
Not to mention, Harry Knowles just "happened" to be at a "surprise" screening? Riiight. They filled the theater with Trekkies so that they would create an internet buzz.
I still can't wait for the movie. But, this kind of obvious marketing trickery isn't necessary...
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
gay
I don't think that the word 'gay' is sufficient enough to describe what that is. I'm not sure any word in all the languages in all the world are good enough. They may just have to create a brand new one.
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
gay
I don't think that the word 'gay' is sufficient enough to describe what that is. I'm not sure any word in all the languages in all the world are good enough. They may just have to create a brand new one.
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
gay
I don't think that the word 'gay' is sufficient enough to describe what that is. I'm not sure any word in all the languages in all the world are good enough. They may just have to create a brand new one.
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
gay
I don't think that the word 'gay' is sufficient enough to describe what that is. I'm not sure any word in all the languages in all the world are good enough. They may just have to create a brand new one.
it concluded with a standing ovation that lasted five to six minutes. "After the film, the audience was a collective smile, some crying they were so happy"
gay
I don't think that the word 'gay' is sufficient enough to describe what that is. I'm not sure any word in all the languages in all the world are good enough. They may just have to create a brand new one.
"pariah"?
I would've suggested "Kamphausen".
only because you're a "pariah"
oh yeah? well, you're a "paraiah"! so how do you-wait, hang on. phone's ringing. . .
From what I hear online from all the people that got the advanced screening, Urban stands out as the one absolutely nails his character. They say he finds that absolute perfect rhythm and balance between doing it his way, and paying homage to DeForrest Kelley. And from that clip, I fucking believe it!
Let's get it out of the way: the new Star Trek is actually very good.
Where so many big-blockbuster takes on our old favourites boldly go and fall flat on their faces, the makers of this prequel to the world's best-loved sci-fi show have steered the Starship Enterprise, presumably at warp speed, right into 2009.
The real brains behind the rebirth of Spock and Kirk is director and producer JJ Abrams. Previously known as the man who gave birth to Lost, Alias, Cloverfield and Mission Impossible 3, he's now being labelled as the next Steven Spielberg.
"I didn't even know what Star Trek was any more," he told us when the Trek promotional rollercoaster rolled into London.
"When you say Star Trek, was it Voyager, Deep Space Nine or Next Generation? I just thought Kirk and Spock. That always felt like Star Trek to me."
So are we right in assuming Abrams wasn't an ardent Trekkie?
"I was somewhere in the middle, maybe more in the non-fan contingent," he smiled diplomatically.
"I didn't really get it, and growing up (my) friends did. I knew it was popular but I was just never among them.
"But I found myself falling in love with this world, and when I read the script, I felt I would be so jealous if anyone else directed this film. So I had to do it."
Which led him back to the original source material - more specifically the characters of Spock and Kirk.
This new film is a prequel to the original series, showing how those two characters met. Kind of like Star Trek: The College Years. Which begged the question, how on earth would they find actors to fill those iconic roles?
"It was made very clear that we weren't expected in any way to try to recreate what had come before," explained Zachary Quinto, who until now has been known as Sylar from Heroes, but from this point on will be forever thought of as the new Spock.
"We used it rather as a point of entry for our own interpretations and understandings of who these characters are. They exsist in a very different environment."
Chris Pine, whose most high-profile role to date was in Princess Diaries 2, nods his head.
"I hoped, well I tried, to at least make this character as much as my own and do as good as a job as Mr Shatner had done in the past," he smiles.
So no dodgy cover versions of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds on the cards then.
Mainly, this is a cast of lesser-known stars.
There, is of course, the already much-discussed return of one key original cast member (here's a clue, he's a Vulcan) and then there is Simon Pegg. Cast, albeit fairly briefly, as the younger Scotty. And yes, he is already bored of people asking him to beam them up.
"I know, I know," he laughs. "People always want you to say the iconic lines like 'The engines cannae take it' and stuff, but that's because he's an iconic character, he's cemented in our minds as popular culture.
"In this film, the characters are bigger than the actors. You don't want anyone to eclipse the characters."
Did anyone see the "special preview" during Lost last week? All it was was Kirk in the snow running away from a monster that got attacked by a bigger monster and then they fell down a cliff. It could have been a scene from any big budget action movie. It was the most generic preview I've ever seen.
Interstellar Affairs: You might love the new Star Trek—but not for the reasons you loved the old one.
Star Trek 2.0: J. J. Abrams has reimagined the Star Trek franchise by starting over with a whole new cast playing James T. Kirk, Dr. McCoy, Spock, and Sulu — now with twice the macho gayness.
"Star Trek" gave critic goosebumps: Mick didn't expect much from the new "Star Trek" but now feels that the movie taps into our collective affection for the characters.
Star Trek: The CBR Review: “Star Trek” was one of the best Trek films ever made, yet it falls short in many ways of being a great movie (“Star Trek II” was not just a great Trek movie, but a great movie).
Blah, blah, blah. I just got back from seeing it, and it kicked all kinds of fucking ass! It rocks the hardest, and is the best Trek movie since The Wrath of Khan. I can't wait for the sequels!
Oh and Greg Grunberg (Parkman from Heroes) gets his obligatory Abrams-movie/show-cameo. He's the voice of Kirk's uncle over the Nokia product placement phone.
Seriously, though, it's a good popcorn flick. Great attention to detail, ILM effects, fun action that doesn't take itself too seriously. I really had a good time. Worth seeing on the big screen for the space shots and all...
Seriously, though, it's a good popcorn flick. Great attention to detail, ILM effects, fun action that doesn't take itself too seriously. I really had a good time. Worth seeing on the big screen for the space shots and all...
Funny, cause isnt that most of the stuff you hated about Wolverine?
Seriously, though, it's a good popcorn flick. Great attention to detail, ILM effects, fun action that doesn't take itself too seriously. I really had a good time. Worth seeing on the big screen for the space shots and all...
Funny, cause isnt that most of the stuff you hated about Wolverine?
Nope. I hate Wolverine because it took seventeen different source materials and tried to cram them all together with the almighty and repetitive Cliche as a foundation, while at the same time neutering the once-feared and awesome Wolverine into a "misunderstood nice guy with a gruff heart of gold". It was superhero cartoon.
Star Trek is based on Star Trek, and is Star Trek. There's no comparison.
I suggest you check out the new Trek movie. It's good stuff!
Seriously, though, it's a good popcorn flick. Great attention to detail, ILM effects, fun action that doesn't take itself too seriously. I really had a good time. Worth seeing on the big screen for the space shots and all...
Funny, cause isnt that most of the stuff you hated about Wolverine?
Nope. I hate Wolverine because it took seventeen different source materials and tried to cram them all together with the almighty and repetitive Cliche as a foundation, while at the same time neutering the once-feared and awesome Wolverine into a "misunderstood nice guy with a gruff heart of gold". It was superhero cartoon.
Star Trek is based on Star Trek, and is Star Trek. There's no comparison.
I suggest you check out the new Trek movie. It's good stuff!
And there was me thinking it was a new reimagining of Star Trek.
And no, I will not check it out because I dont fucking like Star Trek. If its Star Trek is Star Trek is Star Trek, how on Earth will I like it being that I hate Star Trek?
If you are saying I will like it cause its not like Star Trek, then you have contradicted your initial statement!
I caught the late showing last night.Theater was full bu not overcrowded and I was able to actually sit back and enjoy the movie.It was really good and I enjoyed it.I thought everyone turned in solid performances and Chris Pine did a fine job as Kirk without being too Shatnery)but you could see some lines delivered with a Shat-feel too 'em).Quinto as Spock was excellent and Pegg as Scotty was brilliant.However,I do see where some of the purists will go apeshit over what the new reality is now set as for the series and can't wait to see the lamentation.I was right in saying before that this a reboot of the series because it's continuity is now it's own and cannot follow the previous one.Whether this turns out to be a good thing or not remains to be seen but I don't really care too much because I just liked seeing a good Trek movie. RAWK!!
I caught the late showing last night.Theater was full bu not overcrowded and I was able to actually sit back and enjoy the movie.It was really good and I enjoyed it.I thought everyone turned in solid performances and Chris Pine did a fine job as Kirk without being too Shatnery)but you could see some lines delivered with a Shat-feel too 'em).Quinto as Spock was excellent and Pegg as Scotty was brilliant.However,I do see where some of the purists will go apeshit over what the new reality is now set as for the series and can't wait to see the lamentation.I was right in saying before that this a reboot of the series because it's continuity is now it's own and cannot follow the previous one.Whether this turns out to be a good thing or not remains to be seen but I don't really care too much because I just liked seeing a good Trek movie. RAWK!!
Bana's Nero was paper-thin, I have to say. Other than that, I'm damn good with this movie. I think Karl Urban wins the award for this one, though. At the same time, seeing Sulu actually kick some ass for once was awesome!
I've been reading other scifi boards to get a feel for the fandom reaction. About 98% of Trek fans seems to be loving this movie, while the other 2% are writhing in their "Shatnerverse Only!" bile, hating how successful and mainstream this movie makes Trek. The Onion's report seems to actually be accurate, concerning that small faction of extremists.
Also, JJ's got some balls on him to make the "big changes" like he did in this movie. Removing an entire planet from play, and also bringing a romantic subplot to the surface that may have always been there. That takes guts when messing with the Holy Bible of Geekdom...
Decent movie. But I'm not sure that I appreciate what it does to Star Trek's continuity--or that whatever it did do would yield good future stories since the 'younger version from the tangent universe' novelty would only last for one showing.
It almost feels like they're saying, "Well, all the old one's are dead and gone and this continuity's all dried up, so we might as well just make a new one filled with teenagers and twenty-somethings."
My only consolation is that it didn't mess with the Star Trek: Enterprise continuity.
As usual, Scot was the most enjoyable character. But Chekov's hair was all wrong!
As reported by Variety, Star Trek XI, which opened at 7 P.M. Thursday night, grossed an estimated seven million dollars as of Friday morning.
Not expected to gross as much as Wolverine or Iron Man, Star Trek XI nonetheless held its own over the other two recent releases. Wolverine grossed almost five million dollars in its midnight showings and Iron Man grossed somewhat over four million dollars.
I didn't think Bana was horrible.....he was just the vehicle villain.Something to fight against I guess.A shame though,he coulda been Spock's Khan if they showed the personal vendetta angle up more in his role(aside from blowing up Vulcan....that was pretty personal).
Saw it Thursday this week. Liked it apart from the nauseating intro and Captain Nero. Didn't feel like Star Trek but it was a good sci-fi action film.
Cool moments (warning: spoilers!!!):
Kirk in the bed with a green woman, who just happens to be Uhura's roommate. Priceless.
Nimoy-Spock meeting Zachary-Spock. Loved the fact that Nimoy-Spock had fooled young Kirk into believing that the universe exploding if young and old Spock would meet.
Paramount’s “Star Trek” successfully left space dock to gross $76.5 million in its domestic box office debut, including $4 million in Thursday night shows.
J. J. Abrams’ reboot of the classic sci-fi franchise came in on the upper end of expectations, and all but guarantees that Par will pursue a next installment.
“Star Trek” took a bite out of 20th Century Fox holdover “X-Men Origins: Wolverine,” which debuted to $87 million last weekend, the best opening of the year.
“Wolverine” fell a steep 68% in its second sesh to $27 million from 4,102 runs for a 10-day domestic cume of $129.6 million. Fanboy-driven titles often see sizeable drops in the second weekend, although “Wolverine’s” was on the higher end. “X-Men: The Last Stand” likewise declined 67% in its soph sesh on its way to cuming $234 million domestically. ("Last Stand" had no direct competition in its second weekend.)
Summit Entertainment’s “Next Day Air,” the weekend’s other wide opener, strugged to find an aud. Urban comedy grossed $4 million from 1,138 runs.
“Star Trek” led another up weekend at the domestic B.O., with revs running as much as 22% over the same weekend last year.
One thing I didn't like too much was the music score.I was kinda hoping for a James Horner/Jerry Goldsmith kinda thing but it fell kind of flat with me.The end of the movie with the original theme was good but that was it.
I agree, and I've heard that from other sources. A lot fans and non-fans alike have said they expected a better scrore, especially from a Star Trek movie (which is known for its classical, operatic epiphanies). This had....and I really hate myself for thinking this way.....this had a decidedly "Starship Troopers" sound to it, musically. However, the scene where they beam Pike, Kirk, and Spock back to the Enterprise is awesome for the little Alexander Courage homage, lightly playing the four-note Star Trek signature tune. And the use of the entire original TOS score for the closing credits was just damn cool...
One thing I didn't like too much was the music score.I was kinda hoping for a James Horner/Jerry Goldsmith kinda thing but it fell kind of flat with me.The end of the movie with the original theme was good but that was it.
Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
I agree, and I've heard that from other sources. A lot fans and non-fans alike have said they expected a better scrore, especially from a Star Trek movie (which is known for its classical, operatic epiphanies). This had....and I really hate myself for thinking this way.....this had a decidedly "Starship Troopers" sound to it, musically. However, the scene where they beam Pike, Kirk, and Spock back to the Enterprise is awesome for the little Alexander Courage homage, lightly playing the four-note Star Trek signature tune. And the use of the entire original TOS score for the closing credits was just damn cool...
scoring a flick is such a touchy endeavor; basically you've gotta capture the spirit of the film in every musical gesture and nuance. perhaps the composer was trying to maintain the same sort of separation abrams has been going for in other aspects of the film? I still haven't seen the movie yet, but when I do I will as always be listening intently to the score to hear it for myself...
Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus to G-man on the Wolverine thread, but referring to this movie
You should check it out, it's great!
I waiting for a chance to go with my dad. TOS is/was his favorite show. So much so that he could instantly identify the episode by the color of the planet the Enterprise was orbiting in the opening scene.
Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus to G-man on the Wolverine thread, but referring to this movie
You should check it out, it's great!
I waiting for a chance to go with my dad. TOS is/was his favorite show. So much so that he could instantly identify the episode by the color of the planet the Enterprise was orbiting in the opening scene.
That is awesome! I'm like that with episodes of M*A*S*H, for some reason...
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Why didn't you tell him to fuck off, and call him a cunt?
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Why didn't you tell him to fuck off, and call him a cunt?
I hate the theater. I don't even want to go anymore.
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Why didn't you tell him to fuck off, and call him a cunt?
Because there's NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!!
My part of the exchange took place as I left the men's room, and I like this theater too much to drop the c-bomb in front of the high school aged concession chick.
I hate the theater. I don't even want to go anymore.
This theater is generally pretty good. The vast majority of viewers behave before, during, and after the flick. Leave it to a Trek cunt to ruin the streak.
But I know what you mean. There's a great theater a few towns over - digital screen and sound, great concessions, solid programming, etc - and I refuse to go there because the scumbags of the state use the place like their living rooms and the staff is too pussy to do anything about it.
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Thats pretty much what pisses me off with Trek fans, as I think I mentioned here once or twice before.
Yeah Star Wars fans can be huge nerds as well, but they dont relate everything in life to Star Trek. It always pisses me off when you are talking about something serious or semi-serious, and those cunts come out with shit like "That reminds me of the time that Kirk/Picard/Spock/Janway etc......"
Theres lotsa tv & movie stuff that I love, but I dont feel the need to constantly reference them in real life.
You know the other thing that pisses me off with Trekies is they cannot understand why people dont like it, and always try to persuade you to watch this episode or this film, because it will change your mind about it.
Most people understand that their fave books/films/tv/comics are not gonna appeal to everyone, but Trekkies just dont get that.
And fer fucksake, if you have the time to learn how to speak a language, dont learn a made up useless one like Klingon, learn one that you can actually use in the real world.
Thats pretty much what pisses me off with Trek fans, as I think I mentioned here once or twice before.
Yeah Star Wars fans can be huge nerds as well, but they dont relate everything in life to Star Trek. It always pisses me off when you are talking about something serious or semi-serious, and those cunts come out with shit like "That reminds me of the time that Kirk/Picard/Spock/Janway etc......"
Theres lotsa tv & movie stuff that I love, but I dont feel the need to constantly reference them in real life.
You know the other thing that pisses me off with Trekies is they cannot understand why people dont like it, and always try to persuade you to watch this episode or this film, because it will change your mind about it.
Most people understand that their fave books/films/tv/comics are not gonna appeal to everyone, but Trekkies just dont get that.
And fer fucksake, if you have the time to learn how to speak a language, dont learn a made up useless one like Klingon, learn one that you can actually use in the real world.
Exactly, and Buffy fans are almost as annoying. I don't know how many times I'm mentioned in conversation that I don't like any of the Buffy shows and some shmuck fan jumps to the defensive, grilling me on what shows I saw and telling me that I'll love Buffy if I just watch "this" episode. The difference is, Buffy fans are mostly defensive when it comes to non-fans. Trek fans are generally just smug.
In 2001, around 500,000 people in the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia recorded their religion as "Jedi" on their national census, following an e-mail campaign inviting people to do so. The e-mail messages claimed that Jedi would then become an official religion, when in fact, the UK for example does not "officially recognize" religions. The Jedi community had existed for some time before the consensus, but the results were interpreted exclusively as a joke by the governments of their respective countries.
In March 2009, it was revealed that eight officers of the Strathclyde Police force in Scotland, in addition to two of its civilian staff, have their religion officially recorded in the force's records as "Jedi".[14]
Go read the proper news sites about this as well. About how during the initial year, people bought into the joke and how since then the numbers have dropped steadily each year.
Like I am sure you know more about America than I do, I think my knowledge of what goes on in my country far excedes your knowledge of it.
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Why didn't you tell him to fuck off, and call him a cunt?
Because there's NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!!
My part of the exchange took place as I left the men's room, and I like this theater too much to drop the c-bomb in front of the high school aged concession chick.
I suppose it would've been cathartic to do my best Nowhereman impression and tell ECB "Fuck off, you cunt!" But we both know it wouldn't have had the desired effect. That guy just would've gone about his Trekkie business, rambling to whomever he could corner and ignoring the obvious signs that no one wants to talk to him. Meanwhile, I've offended someone whose only crime was being at the wrong place at the wrong time. There's no satisfaction to be had there.
It's articles like these that give Star Trek fans a bad wrap. Fucking whack-jobs...
Oh, it's the articles? It's not the people who dress up in the costumes in non-con situations? Or the people who walk around, speaking Klingon to each other? Or the people who pepper what should be normal conversations with Trekisms?
How's about this person: I went to see Trek with my friends on Monday night thanks to favors that were called in. We sat and, for the most part, things in the theater were pretty durned normal - no one dressed up, no one commenting throughout the movie, no one having conniption fits about continuity issues. It was a pretty non-Trekfan crowd. Except for this one guy...
The movie ends and we're sitting through the credits because my friends want to see who played this guy and who played that girl - standard nerd stuff (I do the same with horror flicks). Behind us, this guy is talking to his son(? nephew? twink?) about all sorts of "when I was young, Trek..." stuff. It was like having Beardguy in the theater. Credits end, and we (and the other remaining groups of viewers) get up to leave when East Coast Beardguy says to all of us, "Hey, did anyone catch who played Nurse Chapel, or will she be in the sequel?" He starts snort-chuckling (yes, he was snorting and chuckling at the same time) at his witty joke while the rest of us look at each other and silently file out. I head into the men's room to take a piss when ECB comes in, lines up at the stall next to me, and starts blabbing about when he was young and Trek and how awesome that movie was and blah blah blah. In the men's room. At the stalls.
THERE'S NO TALKING IN THE MEN'S ROOM!!! THAT'S A FUCKING RULE!!! IT'S A FUCKING MAN LAW!!!
I quietly wash my hands and move towards the door when ECB asks me something about how new Trek compares with...whatever. I cut him off and, as politely as possible, say, "I'm sorry. I've never been a big fan of Trek. I'm just here with friends." To which he replies something about loving Trek and Star Wars, about being a rocker and a shit-kicking country fan, and not knowing whether to shit or go blind, about...well, I had rejoined my friends by this point and we had left the scene.
The movie wasn't awful, but it had enough flaws to keep me from calling it "great." But my enjoyment of the film was greatly tempered by this idiot's babbling and general nerdity. I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Thats pretty much what pisses me off with Trek fans, as I think I mentioned here once or twice before.
Yeah Star Wars fans can be huge nerds as well, but they dont relate everything in life to Star Trek. It always pisses me off when you are talking about something serious or semi-serious, and those cunts come out with shit like "That reminds me of the time that Kirk/Picard/Spock/Janway etc......"
Theres lotsa tv & movie stuff that I love, but I dont feel the need to constantly reference them in real life.
You know the other thing that pisses me off with Trekies is they cannot understand why people dont like it, and always try to persuade you to watch this episode or this film, because it will change your mind about it.
Most people understand that their fave books/films/tv/comics are not gonna appeal to everyone, but Trekkies just dont get that.
And fer fucksake, if you have the time to learn how to speak a language, dont learn a made up useless one like Klingon, learn one that you can actually use in the real world.
Totally!
See, there are two different kind of Star Trek fans. The casual kind that enjoy it, can talk it, and treat it like entertainment or a hobby. The other kind is the kind that Joe met in the bathroom, Grimm met in an elevator, or the ones that Cunty beats up and takes their lunch money. Every franchise and fandom have their extremists. Some are more vocal than others, naturally. And with something like Trek that's been around for almost half-a-century, you're going to have a thick foundation of whackos out there tainting the pot for everyone. It's become a pseudo-religion, much like Jedi and all that, and thus there is a thread of fandom that feels the need to evangelize the Word of Rodenberry. Sadly enough, these are the same fans that don't realize Rodenberry was a tv writer cashing checks and laughing all the way to the bank concerning the supposed "idealogy" of the franchise.
As for his breaking of Bathroom Code Rule 1a, I can only surmise he was either trying to hit on you in some slash-fiction, down-on-the-planet bondage kind of way, or you were five minutes from having your kidney sliced out in a stall.
Sorry the jackass ruined the movie for you. I thought it was a killer action flick with some great special effects, good chemistry, and some nice comedy moments. The plot had holes you could drive a truck through, and Bana was paper-thin. Other than that, I dug it the most...
Sorry the jackass ruined the movie for you. I thought it was a killer action flick with some great special effects, good chemistry, and some nice comedy moments. The plot had holes you could drive a truck through, and Bana was paper-thin. Other than that, I dug it the most...
It wasn't ruined by the ECB. Before he opened his mouth, I saw it as a noble, but flawed, effort. Far better than #5 but maybe not as good as #2 (they actually plagiarized the fucking parasite angle!). But Trek fans can't be crying about the popular view of them while simultaneously confirming the popular view through their words and actions.
I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
But to be fair, doesn't every single genre franchise have fans like that?
I'll move it past just film/TV/book genres. I can't tell you how many times I've had some old bastard tell me how different the game of baseball/football/basketball/hittin' rex's mom's cooter was different in their day. Or how great such and such batter/pitcher/center/quarterback/rex's mom's cooter was better back then than what's out there now. Some people need to latch onto things to keep from having to deal with reality and take that shit way too far and make life miserable for everyone else they come in contact with. "Hey, guy, I know that you think it brings the team luck to wear the same fucking clothes at every game without washing them... but we're close to the end of the season, and my eyes are watering and vomit is building up in the back of my throat."
I realize that people like this guy are part of the reason I hate Trek as much as I do. So I asks ya, Pro, is it the articles that give Star Trek fans a bad name, or is it Star Trek fans that give Star Trek fans a bad name?
Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
But to be fair, doesn't every single genre franchise have fans like that?
I'll move it past just film/TV/book genres. I can't tell you how many times I've had some old bastard tell me how different the game of baseball/football/basketball/hittin' rex's mom's cooter was different in their day. Or how great such and such batter/pitcher/center/quarterback/rex's mom's cooter was better back then than what's out there now. Some people need to latch onto things to keep from having to deal with reality and take that shit way too far and make life miserable for everyone else they come in contact with. "Hey, guy, I know that you think it brings the team luck to wear the same fucking clothes at every game without washing them... but we're close to the end of the season, and my eyes are watering and vomit is building up in the back of my throat."
And, of course it also applies to music. See, for example, every single fucking Deadhead on earth.
I'm still wondering if they are going in a new direction or are we gonna get romulans and Klingons as villains...maybe Andorians? Why not the Gorn? the Gorn could be sweet with CGI....
My vote is for Gorns and Andorians for a sequal..maybe a Klingon hint....
and for gobs sake, i hope they dont skimp on the blood budget.....
I agree.
Enough with the decades of teasing lets see the Federation vs Klingon war.
I'm down with something like this. They were already in a "Cold War" with the Klingons back in Kirk's day. With the new continuity, anything could happen.
Rumors from Abrams himself have hinted that they are considering taking a stab at Kirk and Khan's first battle. I bet Sayid from LOST would make a good Khan, though...
Rumors from Abrams himself have hinted that they are considering taking a stab at Kirk and Khan's first battle. I bet Sayid from LOST would make a good Khan, though...
Fuck no. That story's been told once already and quite well. That smacks too much of "remake" at this point.
Personally, I've never been able to figure out why the producers of Trek over the past twenty or so years haven't used the Gorn race as a "big bad."
With the exception of a mirror universe cameo on 'Enterprise,' the only time they were ever shown was on a single episode of TOS so you don't have the overuse factor of Romulans, Klingons, Ferengi, etc. What you do have, however, is a race of near invunerable, seven foot tall, predatory, talking lizard people. Those guys could, if written well, eat the Klingons for lunch.
Furthermore, with forty years of advancment in SFX there's no reason you couldn't make them highly realistic looking (and better than the Enterprise version).
Kahn's been done. It's like all the Superman movies that had to keep giving us Luthor over and over. Time to move on.
Personally, I've never been able to figure out why the producers of Trek over the past twenty or so years haven't used the Gorn race as a "big bad."
With the exception of a mirror universe cameo on 'Enterprise,' the only time they were ever shown was on a single episode of TOS so you don't have the overuse factor of Romulans, Klingons, Ferengi, etc. What you do have, however, is a race of near invunerable, seven foot tall, predatory, talking lizard people. Those guys could, if written well, eat the Klingons for lunch.
If you believe the stories, Harlan Ellison pitched a story that could've used them quite nicely back when they were making the first Trek flick.
Is that the time travel one that they pretty much ripped off for the last episodes of TNG?
Pretty much. Only with big anthropomorphic lizards.
I never heard that story. Is Ellison's lawsuit still pending or did the TNG producers settle?
I dunno if Ellison sued TNG - probably did. My initial point was that, back when they were trying to put together a story for the first Trek flick, Ellison pitched a story that could've used the Gorn as the antagonists. The details of it are recounted in Stephen King's Danse Macabre. But, assuming you're too lazy or apathetic to track that gem of a book down, here's a link with the basic story:
.... back when they were trying to put together a story for the first Trek flick, Ellison pitched a story ....The details of it are recounted in Stephen King's Danse Macabre. But, assuming you're too lazy or apathetic to track that gem of a book down, here's a link with the basic story:
'It involved going to the end of the known universe to slip back through time to the Pleistocene period when man first emerged,' he said. 'I postulated an alien intelligence from a far galaxy where the snakes had become the dominant life form, and a snake-creature who had come to Earth in the STAR TREK future, had seen its ancestors wiped out, and who had gone back into the far past of Earth to set up distortions in the time-flow so the reptiles could beat the humans. The Enterprise goes back to set time right, finds the snake-alien, and the human crew is confronted with the moral dilemma of whether it had the right to wipe out an entire life form just to insure its own territorial imperative in our present and future. The story, in short, spanned all of time and all of space, with a moral and ethical problem.'
A member of an alien race sees his people wiped out and starts to change the past to prevent that....isn't that a very basic description of the current movie?
If so, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Ellison's suing this movie too.
Ellison's only sued when he's had some slight form of proof at least. He's at least had his name on a story or script to use as evidence in his previous cases. An idea at a pitch meeting isn't very stable grounds for a lawsuit.
Ellison's only sued when he's had some slight form of proof at least. He's at least had his name on a story or script to use as evidence in his previous cases. An idea at a pitch meeting isn't very stable grounds for a lawsuit.
I'm not saying the case is strong. However, I could see Ellison arguing that he "published" his idea by allowing a synopsis of it to be included in King's book where it could be seen by, among others, Abrams and the writers of the current film.
Ellison's only sued when he's had some slight form of proof at least. He's at least had his name on a story or script to use as evidence in his previous cases. An idea at a pitch meeting isn't very stable grounds for a lawsuit.
Ellis had no script or published story to use other than a hearsay account. He's a litigious guy, but he's a smart litigious guy.
Yeah, but the hearsay account is arguably a "published story." From what I read at Joe's link, years ago, Ellison described a story he wanted to write for a Trek film in King's book. Therefore, even if the meeting in the 1970s never occurred, Ellison arguably has a published synopsis of his proposed story in Danse Macabre which he could claim served as the basis of the Abrams plot.
Just saw it. Good, popcorn action sci-fi movie. Worth a watch, but I don't see myself watching it again unless it just happened to be on TV. Urban was McCoy, though.
I think he copied Shatner's actual ego very well. Pegg was also great as Scotty. Quinto (?) was a decent Spock. Bana still sucks balls. Everyone else was good. I actually think the Star Trek and going back to the original crew made the movie campier than it should have been. I also loved that there was some Beastie Boys instead of the usual pretentious Trekisms.
Yeah, when he said that line "I don't want to take sides..." during the Spock/Kirk argument...and that smile...he was literally James Doohan at that moment. It was awesome.
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Quinto (?) was a decent Spock.
The only two things that Quinto is missing to be the perfect Spock is the "genetic dignity" that Leonard Nimoy naturally exudes, and his smoking-voice. Quinto doesn't sound "black enough" to really be Spock.
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Bana still sucks balls. Everyone else was good.
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I actually think the Star Trek and going back to the original crew made the movie campier than it should have been.
You lost me. What parts were "campy", besides the overt humor?
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I also loved that there was some Beastie Boys instead of the usual pretentious Trekisms.
Yes! I never thought I would be able to say the phrase, "Man, I loved that Beastie Boys song in the new Star Trek movie!" It was a nice, needed change of pace for the franchise.
He was a blue shirt when, I believe, Nero contacted the Enterprise and the scene went from shot to shot of crew reactions.
Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
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I actually think the Star Trek and going back to the original crew made the movie campier than it should have been.
You lost me. What parts were "campy", besides the overt humor?
The whole weakness to the movie, for me, was them assembling much younger versions of the original crew, putting them all in their final roles on the show, and giving them all something to do. In a movie full of plot holes, those were the most obvious. The only ones that really worked were Spock and McCoy. Everyone else, especially Kirk, was a real stretch. And this movie did exactly what I didn't want it to do. They pushed Kirk directly into the captain's chair just because he was captain in the original show. Had this been just a continuation of Trek without going back to the originals, I think it would have been a lot better because it wouldn't have had to do all the weak plot devices to copy the original 'formula'. But Paramount and Abrams wanted to give us Dawson's Trek instead.
Hmmm....I can't necessarily disagree on the evolved push in their timelines. However, it should be noted that (and I only picked this up from listening to hardcore Trekkies debate the finer minutia of the movie) Kirk was actually older when he entered Starfleet here than in the original timeline. The counter, though, was that he skipped past some of the middle, and hit Captain. But, he only makes Captain in this movie just three years before he did originally. He was always the youngest Captain in Starfleet history, so I guess that...coupled with my own enjoyment of nostalgia...allowed me to just accept it and move on to the sequel.
Overall, while I agree with some of your complaints about it, I never once felt it was "Dawson's Trek". That would insinuate there's tweeny melodrama between everyone. I found it to be a surprisingly mature movie, in terms of emotional dealings. It wasn't about relationships and jobs and mundane, pedantic crap like that. It was life and death, family, and about young adults thrown into a grow-up-or-die situation.
But, that's just what I took from it. Hopefully, the sequel will steer clear of a lot of these issues you found...
I still haven't seen it, so I can't say who's right above. However, I have to admit I think they could have easily just done a "reboot" with actors in their thirties and skipped the whole "rip in the fabric of time/younger Kirk" set up.
I realize that some of the Trekkies would have whined, but if they can reboot, for example, Batman and Bond without having to "explain" why there's a different cast I think the same could have been accomplished with Trek.
I'd have been okay with a reboot as well, though I'd prefer a continuation of their continuity. It's the forcing of everybody into the roles because they're all twenty-somethings that was terribly overpowering. I could overlook the other plot holes in the movie, but those were just badly done.
It also surprises me that Enterprise, a TV show thats been off the air for several years, did a better job with the Orion women than a huge, current, blockbuster movie did. Seriously, that chick looked like the Jolly Green Giant raped Strawberry Shortcake.
Hmmm....I can't necessarily disagree on the evolved push in their timelines. However, it should be noted that (and I only picked this up from listening to hardcore Trekkies debate the finer minutia of the movie) Kirk was actually older when he entered Starfleet here than in the original timeline. The counter, though, was that he skipped past some of the middle, and hit Captain. But, he only makes Captain in this movie just three years before he did originally. He was always the youngest Captain in Starfleet history, so I guess that...coupled with my own enjoyment of nostalgia...allowed me to just accept it and move on to the sequel.
Nerdtalk it all you want. Cadet straight to Captain, the second highest rank in the service, is just gay.
I was going to try and see it this weekend but Mrs G is working diligently to thwart that, making a new plan for another part of the weekend every time I turn around.
In any event, I have a feeling that the next one will be better either way, since (like BB and TDK) we won't have to jerk around with retelling the origin yet again and can just get to a kickass story
I also want to point out that it was fun to see the franchise that has kept spouting the BS about man having evolved past his greed and created some sort of socialist utopia for the past 4 decades was full of product placements.
It also surprises me that Enterprise, a TV show thats been off the air for several years, did a better job with the Orion women than a huge, current, blockbuster movie did. Seriously, that chick looked like the Jolly Green Giant raped Strawberry Shortcake.
diora baird? maybe it was just the makeup, then, because she's pretty attractive otherwise.
Hmmm....I can't necessarily disagree on the evolved push in their timelines. However, it should be noted that (and I only picked this up from listening to hardcore Trekkies debate the finer minutia of the movie) Kirk was actually older when he entered Starfleet here than in the original timeline. The counter, though, was that he skipped past some of the middle, and hit Captain. But, he only makes Captain in this movie just three years before he did originally. He was always the youngest Captain in Starfleet history, so I guess that...coupled with my own enjoyment of nostalgia...allowed me to just accept it and move on to the sequel.
Nerdtalk it all you want. Cadet straight to Captain, the second highest rank in the service, is just gay.
I aint sure which is from which, but the first one looks good, the second one looks like the budget ran out just as they were creating her costume and makeup!
Yeah, I noticed the paint was thin in the movie, too. I don't know if they were trying to make it look like varying shades of skin pigmentation (because, let's face it, your body isn't one exact color), or what. Still doesn't put me off that sweet ass...
I aint sure which is from which, but the first one looks good, the second one looks like the budget ran out just as they were creating her costume and makeup!
My point exactly. The first one is the the TV show. The second is the big budget movie. The chick is still hot, despite that.
I'd still have those wimmens. They just wouldn't be green, thus pandering directly to the cretins and CHUDs that make up Trek fandom. Wimmens don't need green paint for to be sexay. Most men can enjoy a pair of sexay wimmens without the paint. It's the Trek mutants who need green food coloring on wimmens to get where they need to go.
Fuck Trek * 2. L. Ron Hubbard shits in Gene Roddenberry's mouth while Philip K. Dick brutally sodomizes him.
I'd still have those wimmens. They just wouldn't be green, thus pandering directly to the cretins and CHUDs that make up Trek fandom. Wimmens don't need green paint for to be sexay. Most men can enjoy a pair of sexay wimmens without the paint. It's the Trek mutants who need green food coloring on wimmens to get where they need to go.
you asshat! haven't you seen diora baird out of the green paint?
Admittedly, if McCoy had been the hero of that flick, Nero's reign of terror would've ended a lot sooner. McCoy drunk-drives over to Nero's ship, kicks down the door to his chamber, lays him out with a single headbutt, tosses his arse (and any dissenting crew member's arse) off the ship, and then fucks all the female crew members before heading back to Earth with Nero's ship AND the Enterprise. The credits run under the scene of him getting a li'l Uhura stank on his hang-low, doggie-style (whydaya think he's called "Bones???")!
Another reason Trek is gay: how is Bones NOT the hero of that series???
Another reason Trek is gay: how is Bones NOT the hero of that series???
Exactly. Fuck Kirk. Fuck Spock. Fuck Picard and his bitchy crew. Star Trek needed only one character. Leonard 'Bones' McCoy. Just for scriptwriting formula sake, make Scotty his sidekick. Shit happens, they go get fucked up drunk, Scotty makes the Enterprise blow up suns while McCoy has cured the universe's most deadly virus. The show ends with Scotty humping Uhura over her console and Yeoman Rand straddling McCoy on the Captain's chair. Every week.
Another reason Trek is gay: how is Bones NOT the hero of that series???
Exactly. Fuck Kirk. Fuck Spock. Fuck Picard and his bitchy crew. Star Trek needed only one character. Leonard 'Bones' McCoy. Just for scriptwriting formula sake, make Scotty his sidekick. Shit happens, they go get fucked up drunk, Scotty makes the Enterprise blow up suns while McCoy has cured the universe's most deadly virus. The show ends with Scotty humping Uhura over her console and Yeoman Rand straddling McCoy on the Captain's chair. Every week.
Y'know what? Fuck the whole concept of Trek. Just make a series about McCoy and Scotty drunkenly road-tripping through space. They steal a Federation-class ship with bare bones, all-female crew and blast through space, ripping shit up and raising hell.
If we MUST have some of the members of the old show on, Harry Mudd can sell them a bad batch of Space Cialis that causes them to hallucinate even as their libidos go unchecked. Key line from that episode:
Quote:
Harry Mudd: You raped my Tribbles! You raped ALL my Tribbles!!!
Y'want Khan? I'll give you Khan! Khan - a superhuman space pimp - steals aboard the ship, trying to turn out the entire crew and recreate his race while turning mad profit. McCoy and Scotty get wise to what's going on, beat Khan's arse, toss him in a locker, and launch it (and the Genesis Device they won in a poker game) at some planet. Key exchange:
Quote:
Random crew member lady: Was it such a good idea, sending Khan to that planet with an unknown technology and a grudge toward you both?
McCoy & Scotty (drunk as hell): What could go wrong???
Do the whole series like that. It's a mix of Trek, Hunter S. Thompson, and every great buddy/road trip flick ever! Have Scotty fuck a fat, black chick and hang her panties on his teleporter control panel. Maybe McCoy decides not to nail one of those green broads cuz "she's not ripe yet," but fucks her anyway by the end of the episode. Scotty could wake up after a night of blackout drinking next to one of those lizard creatures and have to explain to McCoy why his cock's all scaly (Lizard People VD). The possibilities are endless!
"Listen, Paramount Executive, Gene's dead. Neither he nor his goofy wife are walking through that door. Voyager wasn't a success, and Enterprise flat-out failed. We're not looking to revamp what you and JJ Abrams have already revamped in the movies. Far from it! Think of this as a...RE IMAGINING of the Trek franchise [studio execs LOVE the word "re imagining!"]. We're re imagining Trek as something more fun...something more in keeping with our target audience. More adventure and less...well, less gay, if we're honest. Not that we don't want the advertising dollars that the homos bring. We just think the past series and the movies have the gay covered, y'dig?
The sequel is due in 2011..it might be about resurrecting the original Kirk. I hope not, this reboot is should be about the new people, not the horrible actor who does crappy commercials.
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Man this was a really really good movie. I think I could watch it a few time. I really wanted to dislike the new Kirk, Spock and Bones but I think they did a very good job. the supporting guys were great.
I hope super-hero flick writers take note of how they weaved Kirk's origin into the story without getting bogged down in a origin movie swamp. it was pure genius from a marketing standpoint to put the lovey dovey birth of the kid/death of the father emotional bit at the beginning, it hooked my wife so she went from dreading the movie to getting into it right away. they quickly shifted to the car chase so it got awesome fast.
Man this was a really really good movie. I think I could watch it a few time. I really wanted to dislike the new Kirk, Spock and Bones but I think they did a very good job. the supporting guys were great.
I hope super-hero flick writers take note of how they weaved Kirk's origin into the story without getting bogged down in a origin movie swamp. it was pure genius from a marketing standpoint to put the lovey dovey birth of the kid/death of the father emotional bit at the beginning, it hooked my wife so she went from dreading the movie to getting into it right away. they quickly shifted to the car chase so it got awesome fast.
My wife and I watched it last night. I agree (and my wife agrees) with everything written above.
You've become pariah for this movie Joe. The more you hate it the more people know its awesomeness.
ps. WHO IS THE MASTER???
You can't sing the praises of Ghey Trek and expect to keep your Last Dragon cred. Your cred, much like the South African Prime Minister's Dee-ploh-matic Ee-munity, has just been revoked.
Man this was a really really good movie. I think I could watch it a few time. I really wanted to dislike the new Kirk, Spock and Bones but I think they did a very good job. the supporting guys were great.
I hope super-hero flick writers take note of how they weaved Kirk's origin into the story without getting bogged down in a origin movie swamp. it was pure genius from a marketing standpoint to put the lovey dovey birth of the kid/death of the father emotional bit at the beginning, it hooked my wife so she went from dreading the movie to getting into it right away. they quickly shifted to the car chase so it got awesome fast.
i just saw the film this weekend and loved it! i was never a big fan of the original show/movies, but i havta agree, it was a fun flick. not only was the origin story great, but it was told if the perfect manner -- staying true to long-time nerd fans, but allowing for changes and updates. the whole "back to the futureish altered timeline" bit was very well done.
i do wish they threw a 3-second shatner clip into the spock/new-kirk mindmeld thing, but... we've still got priceline negotiator.
the time travel created an alternate past bone was good i think for supernerds as their continuity isnt invalidated so they can have a mental win there.
It was spot on for a slice of pro wrestling. I have seen similar things in the indy circuit like went on in the movie. guys definitely push themselves farther than they should. i have never seen guys deal steroids openly like they did in this flick but i assume it happens. there are guys like the main character that roll through who were once selling out Madison Square Garden. its sad when they are still wrestling because they have to, its nice when they are still wrestling because they want to.
Just finished Star Trek......loved it. I am a pretty big Trekkie and this movie did not upset the balance of my Trek Universe. I thought it was unbelievable. Pine was great.
i just saw the film this weekend and loved it! i was never a big fan of the original show/movies, but i havta agree, it was a fun flick. not only was the origin story great, but it was told if the perfect manner -- staying true to long-time nerd fans, but allowing for changes and updates. the whole "back to the futureish altered timeline" bit was very well done.
i do wish they threw a 3-second shatner clip into the spock/new-kirk mindmeld thing, but... we've still got priceline negotiator.
Just finished Star Trek......loved it. I am a pretty big Trekkie and this movie did not upset the balance of my Trek Universe. I thought it was unbelievable. Pine was great.
Yeah, Pine at first underwhelmed me, but when he did the scene in the training simulator he really came into his own as Kirk. You saw a hint of the cocky guy we all expect Jim to be.
i just saw the film this weekend and loved it! i was never a big fan of the original show/movies, but i havta agree, it was a fun flick. not only was the origin story great, but it was told if the perfect manner -- staying true to long-time nerd fans, but allowing for changes and updates. the whole "back to the futureish altered timeline" bit was very well done.
i do wish they threw a 3-second shatner clip into the spock/new-kirk mindmeld thing, but... we've still got priceline negotiator.
oh, wait, no. i must retract the compliment, it was not a double surprise. just a regular surprise.
pariah, your post is returned back to the shit pile of worthlessness from whence it came. we await your further scoopings to sully the forum with uninteresting tidings.
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With Paramount having targeted the date of June 29, 2012 for the premiere of their Star Trek sequel, it went without question that director J.J. Abrams was planning to begin production shortly. But we now have that shoot window down to the month thanks to Captain Pike. When asked the question by Hollywood.com, co-star Bruce Greenwood revealed that production is slated to begin in January 2011.
It also seems that Bruce returning isn't a sure deal yet as he stated his hopes to have a role in the next space adventure. The rest of the Enterprise crew are already locked in. That includes Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, John Cho, Simon Pegg, Anton Yelchin and Zoe Saldana. Abrams will be directing from a script by returning writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.
Please don't raid the star trek forums, its the only place I can go to get away from meanies like rex 
