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This time period's review:

THE INFINITY GAUNTLET,or

THE MOST AWESOME THING I'VE EVER READ

WRITER: Jim Starlin

ART: George Fucking Perez (Issues 1-3 and sorta 4) and Ron "Does this guy even work anymore?" Lim (Issues 5-6 and sorta 4)


I have fond memories of The Infinity Gauntlet. As a lad, a cousin of mine used to have a small comic collection. When I say small, I mean like a few issues. Only two really stood out: that issue of X-MEN during the late Claremont years with the dude who wants to kill Dazzler on the cover "I love you, Dazzler®... TO DEATH!"), and an issue of Silver Surfer. The Silver Surfer issue stood out for one reason: it featured the corpses of all my favorite Marvel characters: Cylcops (who I vividly remember as being decapitated), Captain America, Iron Man, and yes, even Wolverine. I MARVEL®ED at this scene. What had happened to them? And why were Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer just floating above these characters and exchanging cosmic banter?

I finally got the answer a few years later when I read THE INFINITY GAUNTLET. Upon first reading it, as a stupid kid who didn't know any better, I found the whole affair depressing, what with Thanos, who always seemed to me a version of Darkseid without any real authority, kicking the crap out of all the superheroes and the final issues not involving any SKINTing or ZARKing or even any THWIPing that my idiotic younger self so very much craved.

Upon rereading it a couple weeks ago, after years of letting it sit in my semi-organized comic boxes, I have come to appreciate it. It's really a great read.

Thanos is in love with Death. That's right, the skeleton in a robe is a chick. And Thanos envisions her as a hot white woman for some reason. I guess Thanos has a fetish for human beings. Regardless, he has come into the possession of the Infinity

Gem, which, when placed on the Infinity Gauntlet, a big orange glove, gives the wearer godlike powers. I forget the name of
the Gems, but in the SNES video game, I always chose to equip the one that doubles my health.
Too bad that Death won't give Thanos the time of day. To get her attention, he decides to give her more souls to claim. Yes,

that's right, to get someone to like you, just give them more work to do. Watch the cute redhead in the office salivate when you put a stack of reports in her inbox. She can't help but push everything off her desk and fuck you right on top of the TPS Report! Anyway, so Thanos kills half of the population of the universe.

This has some irritating reprocussions on Earth. The Avengers have to save everybody while planes are falling out of the sky
and tsunamis are crashing down upon people. It's quite thrilling to see Namor pull a small child out of a pile of SENTINEL back issues. Remember, it's George Perez drawing Thor saving an airplane. Very cool.

Eventually, one things are under relative control, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, and some other cosmic fellows
assemble a team of superpeople to beat the shit out of Thanos as a part of some plan to defeat him. What's funny is that all of the big Marvel characters are very alive: Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Nova for some odd reason, Hulk, Cyclops, etc. I guess nobody wanted to see Speedball, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Blade, Hawkeye, and Doc Samson get stepped on by Thanos.

This leads to an all-out brawl between the superheroes and Thanos plus his newly-created daughter, whose name might be Nebula. I forgot. Anyway, Thanos slaughters EVERYBODY, and in different and creative ways to boot. What's great about this scene are the unexpected bits of dark humor, like seeing Nebula with Iron Man in a headlock in the background in one panel, then seeing Iron Man's head bounce off the ground in a corner of the following panel.

The issues that follow were the ones I didn't like when I first read it. Now, I enjoy this part even more than the previous one, which is probably due to my recent enjoyment of The Silver Surfer. After the heroes "fail" in defeating Thanos, a bunch of cosmic beings are assembled to take down Thanos, including Galactus and that big cosmic thing that had sex with the DC Universe (I think) in JLA/AVENGERS: COME WHAT SHIT. This part of the series just screams "Holy shit!" as Thanos battles with the forces that control the universe itself. This is what is missing from Marvel Comics nowadays. All that great cosmic stuff. Screw Earth! Ego, the Living Planet is much more interesting! Howzabout Brian Michael Bendis write something about

him? Dammit.

What I like most about this story is what happens with Thanos at the end. I don't want to spoil, but I like that he doesn't meet the end that a villain would typically get. If I had the comics available to me at this point in time, I would elaborate, but alas, they are a couple hundred miles away.

George Perez's art is a highlight, regardless of what you think of the script. He does great creative things with the page layouts instead of a typical story board format all the time. Ron Lim's art... well, to be honest, I find it hard to tell

between the two, until you notice the blank expressions on the characters' faces. That's Ron Lim. That's really my only gripe with the miniseries. George Perez should have done the whole damn thing. Maybe he broke his wrist again.

GRADE: A.
Selling this on ebay at the moment!
Great review. I always liked this book as well. I dropped out of comics a while ago, but I would still like to pick up all the other "Infinity" books..."Infinity War" (wasn't that released last year?) the Adam Warlock series, and some of the other stuff.

The plot behind "Marvel Super Heroes" was based around this game, as you mentioned. I never played it on the SNES, but I did at the arcade. You can also get the game from: www.playagain.net

Finally, here is a good site about Thanos, and the Infinity Gauntlet.

http://thanos.crowfans.com/

I agree that this is a great read. Jim Starlin has always been one of my favorite writers.
The SNES game was "Marvel Superheroes: War of the Gems" or something. It was an OK side-scroller where you went through levels and fought dopplegangers of a bunch of Marvel characters. Adam Warlock was strangely missing from the game, from what I remember. And Shuma-Gorath.

Hey, Scott. I've seen you around the Millar Boards. I just registered there a couple days ago as Danny Djeljosevic.
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Disco Steve said:
The SNES game was "Marvel Superheroes: War of the Gems" or something. It was an OK side-scroller where you went through levels and fought dopplegangers of a bunch of Marvel characters. Adam Warlock was strangely missing from the game, from what I remember. And Shuma-Gorath.

Hey, Scott. I've seen you around the Millar Boards. I just registered there a couple days ago as Danny Djeljosevic.





Cool! That is where I spend most of my time posting. How do you like it over there so far?
Link?
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Prometheus said:
Link?





To what Devin?
To Millar's Board, Scott....
http://www.millarworld.net/

I like it there. It it's not a cult of masturbatory praise (like Geoff Johns' place) nor is it a playground for arseholes (like the old Wizard World Boards). People seem friendly.
Well, they seem anal-retentive. But, what the hell? I'll give it a shot....
Yeah, a little, but the rules are just to prevent upstarts from causing trouble. They think that having to reveal your real name will make you less likely to piss people off.
And, yet, I registered under Prometheus anyway....
Heh. The very first post you make someone will say something like "You need to register under your real name. Go to [LINK] to get it changed."
Well, then, I'll simply refuse and quit posting if I have to. If I wanted them to know me personally, and call me by my name, I'd go to their fucking house....
Heh. Or say that Prometheus is your real name.
"Prome Theus. What? It's Greek-Czech-Polish-Canadian. Are you saying something about my family?"
Or something like "My parents are hippies! Why else would I register as 'Prometheus!'"
"I stole your fire, man. Your fire! You can never take that away from me!"

Posted By: Rob Re: Shut the Fuck Up, Fanboy!: Infinity Gauntlet - 2004-09-04 4:14 AM
how dare you promote other forums!

disco, in your own thread, no less

that aside...

another fun review. i have clearly been shutted the fuck up.

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Disco Steve said:
This part of the series just screams "Holy shit!" as Thanos battles with the forces that control the universe itself. This is what is missing from Marvel Comics nowadays. All that great cosmic stuff.




i agree on both accounts.

for me, now, the marvel universe is one overy continuitied mass of confusion. but not all that long ago, it was fun and inviting and had these great match ups which, despite its total amalgamation of the universe, was relatively simple and easy to enjoy!

seeing all the heroes battle one guy, then fail, just helped to emphasize how friggin powerful he was -- later confronting the beings of pure power.... too cool.

comparatively, when the more recent marvel universe faught onslaught, i found the entire event utterly confusing and simply uninviting to someone who wasn't fully in-the-know of every book.
I had trouble wrapping my head around the concept of a very powerful telepath and one who has power over metals melding together to become a creature who is powerful enough to mess with reality...

Onslaught isn't a cosmic entity, right?
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Son of Mxy said:
I hard trouble wrapping my head around the concept of a very powerful telepath and one who has power over metals melding together to become a creature who is powerful enough to mess with reality...




So did everyone else that doesn't worship at the altar of the X....
I'm a moderate X-Men fan (I won't buy it if it sucks), and I don't even get it. My guess is that Professor X was just making everyone think he looked like a huge fucking monster and their ultimate foe is really just a guy in a floating wheelchair.

There's a difference between Onslaught and Infinity Gauntlet, though. Infinity Gauntlet was a nice self-contained miniseries that doesn't require any previous reading to get.

Onlsaught, however, does not get that luxury. It all takes place within issues of a bunch of ongoing series, resulting in a crossover that is essentially all tie-in books with no actual crossover miniseries to tie into, except for two bookends. And it was probably tailored to make way for "Heroes Reborn." It's all just so poorly concieved.
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Disco Steve said:
It's all just so poorly concieved.




This is Marvel's tag-line for about a decade now....
Heh, yeah. Origin fits that tagline well.
I have heard of this series of course, but I never bothered to get it.

It seems to me to be quintessentially Marvel - the big world-shattering fights between cosmic beings. Slim on characterisation, big on kicks and splode.

The idea of someone tearing off Iron Man's head is amusing though.
The way heroes died was amusing. Cyclops suffocating, Spiderman getting his head bashed in with rock, Wolvie getting turned into rubber, Wanda disintegrated...
I'd say there was decent characterization.

For example, there's a great scene with Hulk/Wolverine just sitting on top of a building and talking, pre Thanos arse kicking, instead of duking it out like they usually do.
Yeah, I was thinking abut the exact same scene when Dave mentioned the lack of characterization.
Also it has Pip the troll, and his characterization is spot on as always!
Pip the Troll deserves his own title.
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Disco Steve said:
http://www.millarworld.net/

I like it there. It it's not a cult of masturbatory praise (like Geoff Johns' place) nor is it a playground for arseholes (like the old Wizard World Boards). People seem friendly.




I posted there for its first year and found it to be both a cult and heavily populated by assholes. How could you betray me like this, Disco....thou hast been taken by the dark side...
I knew it would come to this sooner or later...

I dunno. It doesn't seem so bad.
Tell Millar I said hello, and that he still sucks(and is a wee cunt).
You just want to get me banned.
I recently joined. I quite like it.

People are openly critical of Millar. I don't find it cliquey at all.
Posted By: Rob Re: Shut the Fuck Up, Fanboy!: Infinity Gauntlet - 2004-09-07 5:59 AM
your jobs should clearly be to invite people here.

...

how much can "ininity gauntlet" be purchased for now? in its collected form.
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Disco Steve said:
You just want to get me banned.




If you get banned for that it wasn't worth being there in the first place.
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Rob Kamphausen said:
how much can "ininity gauntlet" be purchased for now? in its collected form.




It was published by Marvel in TPB form in 2000 and available in "Buy Used & New" form on Amazon.

It seems to be kinda hard to find. And when you do find it, it fetches an annoyingly steep price. Best bet is Ebay.
Surely you jest.

Good ol' Thanos.
Wasn't there a spin-off? "Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch" or something?

Don't tell me those jewels went from a glove to a Swatch or a Rolex...

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Rob Kamphausen said:
your jobs should clearly be to invite people here.






But I was leeching them to my board!

I can of course be easily bribed with free comics....
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Dave said:
Wasn't there a spin-off? "Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch" or something?

Don't tell me those jewels went from a glove to a Swatch or a Rolex...





SPOILER ALERT

SPOILER ALERT

The Living Tribunal stripped Adam of the gauntlet after Eternity complained about it, and then decreed that the gems will never work in unison. After that Adam and the infinity watch happened.

Then Infinity Wars happened when Magus got hold of several cosmic cubes and had this massive plot to get the gems back and trick Eternity into asking the Tribunal to reverse the restriction - which gave the Magus omnipotence. And then after the war, and all is well - the Tribunal decreed that the gems will never EVER work in unison again, no matter how dire the consecquences are...
I think with the gems were allocated to each of the members of the Infinity Watch, eh?
yes. And the big swerve is that Adam actually gave the reality gem to Thanos.
Adam Warlock is a forgiving god...
Man....I try to start a discussiona bout Infinity Watch several times and nobody says anything....

I loved that book. Pip, Drax, Moondragon, the whole gang.
A couple days ago I found out that Adam Warlock was killed at one point... by RUNE. That vampire from Malibu comics.



This annoyed me very much.
Adam loves to die. He already died before when Mar Vell was still alive.

Care to spoil the rune thing for me? I doubt that I'll be able to read that thing.

And why a vampire from another comic book company? my head's a'splode.
In the mid-90s, Marvel comics came into ownership of the Ultraverse, basically a shared superhero universe featured in a number of Malibu Comics titles: Ultraforce, Prime, Night Man, Hardcase, Rune, Mantra, and some other books. I had a few Malibu comics, but I only knew Ultraforce from a short-lived animated series that clearly was cashing in on the popularity of X-Men.

Once Marvel got a hold of the Ultraverse, a couple characters were tossed into that universe: The Avengers' Black Knight joined Ultraforce (written by Warren Ellis, oddly enough), and Juggernaut was suddenly a member of The Exiles, which was a Malibu title before it became a nutty Marvel version of "Sliders."

At some point, Rune killed Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch was disbanded.
So, there's no more adam warlock?

And what the fuck, a vampire killed Adam? He's strong enough to go toe to toe with the surfer...
Adam Warlock was revived in another series in the late 90s.

There is a new Adam Warlock book (the first issue is free to read on Mile High Comics' website), but it seems to be outside continuity and a retelling of Adam Warlock's origin, done in a modern context. I'm sure it's more than that, though. It's pretty good.
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Heh, yeah. Origin fits that tagline well.




I read Origin and liked it. Wasn't fantastic or anything, but I'm wondering what people dislike about it.
I liked the art, hated the plot. Can't remember what I hated specifically about the plot though... I think it started pretty interesting and got lame towards the ending. I'd have to read it again, and I'm not doing that.
It was just so incredibly dull. I think half of the series was about Wolverine mining coal. And there's that incredibly stupid plot twist where the kid who looks like Logan turns out to just be some dirty poor kid while the rich kid who looks nothing like him turns out to be it.

I think we were all better off with his origin being a mystery.
I thought it was really bad just as a story, but what inevitably pushed it into catastrophically bad territory was the fact that this was one of the most anticipated stories in comic history, and Jenkins was the guy hand-picked from a plethora of big time writers(including Grant Morrison) by Marvel to tell it, yet it still sucked.
I'd be very curious to see what the other proposals for Origin were... Then we could all exclaim "Fuck! Even Chuck Austen's idea was better than that!"
Yeah, I remember the selection process was fairly well publicized. Marvel narrowed it down to a final 3 or 4(a group that included Morrison), and for whatever reason they thought Jenkins' proposal was the best.
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Disco Steve said:
It was just so incredibly dull. I think half of the series was about Wolverine mining coal. And there's that incredibly stupid plot twist where the kid who looks like Logan turns out to just be some dirty poor kid while the rich kid who looks nothing like him turns out to be it.




I don't mind that twist so much since I think it's interesting Wolverine was born in a rich family (albeit a screwed up rich family), and ended up like a feral beast. Besides, wasn't it implied the groundskeeper was Wolverine's biological father?

I'll give you the part about mining coal, though.
I don't remember. It does sorta ring a bell...
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Disco Steve said:
I'd be very curious to see what the other proposals for Origin were... Then we could all exclaim "Fuck! Even Chuck Austen's idea was better than that!"




Heh.
I just read an interview with Paul Jenkins last night. For a Brit, he's actually kinda dull and sounds like a shit.

What I find interesting, though, is that he got into the biz without being an actual fan, except as a kid. The only other guy I can think of that did the same was Peter Milligan.
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Son of Mxy said:
I had trouble wrapping my head around the concept of a very powerful telepath and one who has power over metals melding together to become a creature who is powerful enough to mess with reality...

Onslaught isn't a cosmic entity, right?




Onslaught absorbed the power of Franklin Richards (Reed and Sue's son) which gave him power over reality. If that wasn't enough, he also absorbed the power of Nate Grey, also know as X-Man.

The whole Onslaught saga, when you've read it all, is actually quite good.

If you don't have it all, then yes, it's really confusing
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