RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Gay-rights advocates to challenge Proposition 8

Dude. I just made a point for your side. How fucking retarded are you?

Puddin', I think you may very well be mentally retarded.

Both polygamy and incest are illegal because they have a way of thickening up the blood.

jesus fucking christ! do you understand anything about rights? or do you just listen to what the govt says is 'wrong' and 'right'? because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong, AS IN IF IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER, IT SHOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL. polygamy and incest between consenting adults doesn't infringe on the rights of anyone else, there is no reason for it to be illegal. that's the fucking point, you moron. god damn, you are either exceedingly retarded or you enjoy being controlled by the govt and others and can't figure out why someone would have a problem with that.

Polygamy and incest are already illegal.

BUT incest COULD conceivably be construed as having the potential to infringe on anothers' rights; if a handicapped or deficient baby was born to said incestuous couple, his rights to exist could suffer.

And, in most places, so is gay marriage. And each one is illegal wholly by legistative act of the government in defining which marital relations are legal and which aren't.

If courts start striking down gay marriage, on the idea that it's a "right," or "privilege," it becomes more and more difficult for courts to uphold the statutes that make incest and polygamy illegal.



But genetic testing can be used to rule out birth defects. Furthermore not all couples want to have kids. Suppose a brother and sister want to get married and are sterile (either naturally or due to surgery, like a vascectomy). Does that mean they have a "right" to marriage?

Finally, there's the fact that, under current constitutional jurisprudence, people have a right to procreate regardless of the possibility of birth defects or a genetic history of particular illnesses. Combine that precedent with the arguement that marriage is a right that can't be abridged and there's not much rationale left to ban incest.

No it's not. If a man wants to pee, he has to pee in the mens room. If a man wants to marry, he has to marry a woman. It doesn't matter if the man's preference is the ladies room. We have laws that often do not cater to preferences. Laws cannot be changed on preference.

And, in most places, so is gay marriage. And each one is illegal wholly by legistative act of the government in defining which marital relations are legal and which aren't.

If courts start striking down gay marriage, on the idea that it's a "right," or "privilege," it becomes more and more difficult for courts to uphold the statutes that make incest and polygamy illegal.

Here's the problem with what your saying G-man, to me your saying it's OK to deny one group of Americans access to legal marriage because then it opens a door to other groups. We don't argue that we can't let 18 year olds the right to get married because it will open the door to 17 year olds. The other groups are not the same as gays getting married. Incest or polygamy won't become OK because gays were judged on their own merits.

An elderly woman who attended a gay rights protest carrying a cross to voice her support of the new California ban on gay marriage says she was attacked by demonstrators and now may press charges.

Palm Springs Police Department spokesman Sgt. Mitch Spike told FOXNews.com no arrests had been made as of Thursday evening and added that victim Phyllis Burgess still is deciding whether she'll press assault charges.

"The investigation is proceeding as it should," Spike said.

Asked if the charges could be elevated to include hate crime penalties, Spike told FOXNews.com, "That's a possibility. That's one of the things we're looking at."

Carrying a large, foam cross, Burgess, 69, showed up at a rally last Friday against Proposition 8, the ban on same-sex marriage approved this month by California voters.

She was there to show her belief in traditional marriage, she said.

Within minutes, however, angry protesters swarmed around the Palm Springs resident, yanked the cross from her hands and trampled on it, as seen in a video of the incident posted on YouTube.

"I guess I didn’t see the gravity of the whole thing and how it was being portrayed to the public," Burgess told The Desert Sun newspaper. "People are incensed. They seem to want some kind of justice."
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If charges are filed, Spike said prosecution could be difficult because the alleged suspect or suspects seen in the video has not been identified.

"We haven't been able to identify everyone in that video," Spike told FOXNews.com.

"I guess I didn’t see the gravity of the whole thing and how it was being portrayed to the public," Burgess told The Desert Sun newspaper. "People are incensed. They seem to want some kind of justice."

So your saying it's okay to assault someone for having a different opinion?

They seem to want some kind of justice."

Especially when they go against the will of the people!

Since when was marriage a right?

The legal license that the government hands out to anyone as long as they have the government's approved plumbing should also be availlable to me & the boyfriend.

But it isn't. You can keep arguing shoulds and coulds all you want but it won't change a thing. You wanna marry your boyfriend? Start a petition. Use your power as citizen to change things. That's how things work here. Power doesn't come from mayors or judges. It comes from the people. If you really want to change things you can.

All that stuff is being done Rex but the courts are also part of the process of getting it done.