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See? I'm trying to be serious here and you had to make me laugh...

That wasn't directed at you, harlequin.

That was directed at Whomod's remarks, gloating about the fact that hispanics are becoming dominant in California and elsewhere.

If you don't endorse or advocate open borders, my remarks don't apply to you.
If you don't support welfare benefits and driver licenses for illegals, my remarks don't apply to you.
If you don't have sympathy for illegals greater than the desire to enforce our nation's laws, my remarks don't apply to you.
If you're not a card-carrying member of La Raza, who sees the Constitution as a "transitional document", toward an open borders North American Union, which would mean the dissolution of the United States, then my remarks don't apply to you.
Someone who is an Irish- or German-American who advocates these things would be equally suspect.

I'm proud of my English, Scottish, Irish, Dutch, German and Cherokee ancestry. But I am first and foremost an American, and my first loyalty is to the United States, its culture and its sovereignty. I don't have a German or Irish flag I wave outside my home. Whether you are from Puerto Rico, Ireland, Germany or Outer Mongolia, I think that is a reasonable patriotic expectation of every U.S. immigrant and citizen.

Immigrants who come here and engage in the kind of behavior I described and/or alluded to. It would obviously include a large number of Mexicans (but not all) just because of the current border situation, but could also include people from non-Latin countries.

Making up lies doesn't make you right. Try to face reality sometime. You might like it.

The short answer:


Again, it's not about race for me, it's about assimilation. Who assimilates, and who doesn't. Who respects our laws and culture, and who doesn't.

What you posted above has not even the slightest resemblance to anything I've said.
What I've said is we're a European nation founded on European culture and ideas, and on Christian principles.
And that as we have an increasingly large non-European population, we run the risk of having our culture, and our Democratic government itself, at risk of being overwhelmed by non-European interests. Such as La Raza. Such as loss of sovereignty inside a borderless North American Union. As hispanic immigration has increased, we've seen the kind of corruption and election fraud that occurs in the latin american countries we are receiving massive immigration from. And spanish immigrants who push for spanish as a second language, instead of learning english, and assimilating into an english-speaking culture.



People like you put words in my mouth, and create totally misrepresentative scenarios like this, when you haven't got the stones or the intelligence to make a case for your opinion based on the issue. You distort the true issue with stereotypes of alleged "fear, hatred, etc." to deliberately bypass that my arguments are about assimilation, not race.

True.
This was the situation for 200 years. All national/racial groups have had their rough edges, before assimilating.
But...

The problem is, in the current (post-1965) liberal mindset, assimilation is now labelled as "racism". Which means assimilation that would have previously been encouraged, and immigrant populations absorbed, are now discouraged. Which leads to separatism and eventual balkanization. In this atmosphere, immigration becomes colonization and invasion.



Okay, here you add not only the assimilation of legal immigrants, who are not pressured to assimilate, but the massive (estimated 20 million now) illegal immigrants, that hide among and are enabled by legal immigrants.

It is difficult to prevent illegal immigration even when there is pressure to assimilate. How much more difficult, when a liberal ideology undermines assimilation, and even questions the rightness of removing illegal immigrants?
It's insane.



Exactly. There have never been more immigrants entering the country, and yet those who are pro-immigration, and even pro-illegal-immigration, fail to see the urgent need for a flow mechanism, and just expect things to magically work out, despite the clear explosion across our borders.
We have about 5,500 illegals crossing our borders every day. That's an invading army, crossing into our nation, every day. Among them thieves, murderers, gang-members, drug dealers, and increasingly, potential muslim terrorists (the number of "non-Mexicans" predominantly muslims, caught illegally crossing the mexican border, has gone from 50,000 before 9/11 to 150,000.)

Hello, I just thought I'd show up and Mexicanize this thread a bit. Carry on.

well then let's just let the legit mexicans across and shoot the non-mexicans.

except the guatemalans. damn they can cook like motherfuckers.

except my brother. he burns water. it's really kind of disappointing.

You worked hard on that post, registered here at Rob's Flippin' Boards, and had the common courtesy to write in English.

That's the way to do it.

But I also worship Axototl the Mayan Manfish God, instead of the proper Amarican deity.

Oh, they'll love ya all the same! Hey, let's put up an Axolotl shrine instead of a 'holiday tree' this lovely holiday season!

That's the Thanksmas spirit!

There's a difference between being proud of one's culture and outright shoving it down other peoples' throats; I'm sure you're proud of being Puerto Rican *cough*Godknowswhy*cough* but your family wasn't arrogant enough to not think it important to learn English. I had to work in Garden Grove, CA for a long time and it's basically the Asian capital of Orange County. Every other Asian I met on the job was an immigrant who refused to speak English. The reason they were able to get away with it is because all of my supervisors were smart enough to learn English themselves.

On a sidenote: A pattern I noticed is that the bulk of the people who refused to learn, and didn't really give a crap if I understood them or not, were Chinese and Vietnamese. The Koreans, Japanese, Tai, Phillipinos, and Taiwanese were all much more respectful to me on average; haven't met a lot of people from Laos or Cambodia, so I can't comment.

Some say that Quetzacoatl will return soon...

It just so happens that some of those diseases just "happened" to be on blankets given to the Indians by the friendly white settlers.

And Freemason doctrines.

It could only have been deliberate biological warfare. Gotta keep those dark people down, after all!

I guess the Indians were just ungrateful. It's like they got free rpg downloads, or sumthin.

it was deliberate. they were trying to clear the land. history books that are taught in public schools are notoriously in error on American History to the point that they're little more than propaganda. For the first hundred or so years of America we spent most of our federal budget on fighting Indians. The official policy was that the land was ours by right of god and therefore we were justified in herding and killing them off "our" land. That's where concentration camps came from. Hitler got the idea from our Indian solution. It was only once the Indians were thinned out and not a concern that we lightened our views.

Ironic sentiment coming this close to Thanksgiving.





Sorry, you don't get to twist my words and then declare the argument over. As much as you'd like.

I've already said that the ONLY people I have a problem with are nativist xenophobes like you. And sorry, but you're not representative of the majority of whites. As for my "gloating" that's just me riding your immigrant based fear. Which I can because frankly your arguments sound silly and completely unoriginal. All these assertions and claims of invasion, no desire to assimilate, wanting to use our national resources, trying to take over, all these are as old as the country itself and have been used on every large group of immigrants from the Chinese, to the Italians, to the Germans and even to Irish CATHOLICS. And in each case all the claims and hatred and suspicion was completely untrue and unfounded.




Um.. "the other side"? Is a war taking place? man, you are sooo wound up by all the hatred and rhetoric out there. Always you fear something. Whether it's the immigrant, the Muslim, the Liberal, the feminist.. There is always someone at the door ready to obliterate your way of life. Tell me, with all this paranoia, how the fuck do you sleep at night?




Cool! when do the relocation's take place? I want to move in near you! Yes, I'm being facetious. Because your examples of past sentiment or desires frankly won't fly anymore so I have to wonder at why you even dare to dream your weird Nativist dreams in the 1st place. And that underscores this entire thread. The entire futility of your railings. Barring mass deportations and stripping citizenship to millions, Hispanic growth will occur whether you want it to or not. LEGALLY.

Frankly, you can rail against Mexicans all you like. But it's funny that this sort of rhetoric only gets superheated every 4 years and then, like gay marriage or abortion or some other wedge bullshit, it quickly dissipates to be forgotten even by the very people who were super heating the rhetoric and were elected or re-elected to do something about it. At least until the next election cycle. That's manipulation using fear and hatred. And it's uncanny how you're always at the head of the line ready to take what these people are swilling.




No. It's a formula for more Americans. You just don't want to face that fact that these Americans may not look like you.




So when I move in next to you, can I take you prisoner then?



Did someone take over your FOX affiliate and replace Bill O'Reilley with Don Francisco? Of course not. But you, in your weird paranoia, think that stations that cater to the immigrant population are a BAD thing. No, they mustn't be entertained in the language they know TODAY, they must be forced Clockwork Orange style to watch Lou Dobbs lecture them on how they must learn English ASAP!

Frankly as a kid, i HATED Spanish language TV because it was cheesy and low budget and not every entertaining. Plus I knew English fluently so I could watch English language shows. My parents however were slower to learn as most adults are. But eventually they watched the same shows I did. IN ADDITION to the shows they liked and grew up with. But no, to you, it's refusal to "assimilate" and a threat to ABC and NBC remaining to provide English programming.




First you say this...



.. then you say that....



I'm guessing in order to sugar coat your earlier rejection of Mexicans as a group..



Oh but it is. It's your ENTIRE point.



How long did it take the Chineese to assimilate in the 1800's? The Italians?

Nativists objected primarily to Roman Catholics (especially Irish American) because of their loyalty to the Pope and supposed rejection of American ideals. Oh man does that sound familiar to your rants.

From the 1840s to 1920 German Americans were distrusted because of their separatist social structure, their opposition to prohibition, their attachment to their native tongue over English, and their neutrality toward the war in World War I. And where is that society today? Assimilated? Of course.

Fear of low-skilled immigrants flooding the labor market was an issue in the 1920s (focused on immigrants from Italy and Poland). Assimiated or did they "take over" the country and the labor market?

The Chinese spent DECADES distrusted, holding down the most menial jobs, and living in tight knit immigrant communities (Chinatown), and speaking primarily in their native tounge before they finally assimilated into the larger society. As with your Mexican threat, they too had gang issues, as did many other immigrant communities which date back to the Irish canal gangs (1840s), Chinese gangs (tongs) in 1880s, Italian ("Mafia") (1890- present). Did all these people destroy your way of life?

Your song is an old record.



So?
You make this dating of non-white women to be some mystical totem against being called a racist or something. I don't care who you date. As I said before the measure of acceptance (because the word "tolerance' to me is frankly insulting bullshit) is not in the pretty foreign women that might catch your eye but in the ugly women, the MEN, the old people and how you interact with THEM as a collective.

As for Argentina.. I used to enjoy Argentinian MTV immensely in the early 1990's. That was part of that "Spanish language TV" you were railing about above. Because see, I'm a bit of an anglophile and Argentinian MTV was the one U.S. broadcasted station that actually showed the kind of music that I was into. While the U.S. was deep in that bullshit "grunge" craze to the exclusion of anything else, Argentinian MTV actually played TONS of britpop, shoegazing, Techno, and other EUROPEAN style music.

My point? Seeing a lot of their shows on that station, it was abundantly clear that Argentinians are a lot closer to Europeans than they were to Latin Americans. Something that was reinforced when I actually met some Argentinians. And yes, they tend to think they're more Caucasian and not Hispanic. In a very elitist way in fact. In my experience of course. So I'm guessing that is why you warm to them so well.

Like I just mentioned in my response to WB, those groups took decades, some MANY decades to fully assimilate into the larger American culture. With the U.S. hispanic population, you're talking about an immigrant wave that pretty much began in the 1970's and peaked in the mid '80's. And as those Census figures show, success and integration is occurring. My problem with WB's rhetoric rests in the fact that to him, these sorts of integrations have to happen immediately and orderly or else he thinks he's being invaded.

Oh please.

You yourself already admit that these "Americans" do not keep nor care for American ideals/practices, so it's a little fuckwitted to say they're not making a point to invasively change our culture--Especially when they openly and blatantly divorce themselves from it.

Man, your generalization and contempt is just oozing there. So you mean to tell me that you think that illegal immigrants, ALL of them, or even a majority of them, are poring thru the border to go on welfare and to break the law rather than to seek work? Frankly that's bullshit and if you don't know it, then you're more clouded by xenophobia than I thought.





Again. Illegal immigrants are coming to this country to spend their lives on welfare. Man, you sound like some asshole politician trying to get elected. Quite honestly I think the children of illegal immigrants SHOULDN'T be given automatic citizenship. But that's the Constitution for you. If it bugs you so much maybe you should devote your energy to try to amend it.




Because he's an expert? More likely he's another scared white man, just judging from some of his TV appearances on the subject.




Uh huh.... But you see, I don't care. I don't care what Mexico says. I don't care what Mexico does. I don't even know why you bring it up. Do you think I have some allegiance to or even have any interest in what the fuck Mexico does or says?




Talk to the Europeans. they're doing quite well under The European Union and last I checked, England and France were still there. But again, I don't give a fuck about any North American Union either. Did I ever express any interest in one?

I'm sure there' some fringe group out there who advocates dissolving the Constitution and making some Mexican super-state out there. Just like there are UFO enthusiasts/nuts somewhere who are ready to claim this planet for the Galactic Federation. Again, so what? You have this stupid habit of trying to attach the desires of the most fringe crazies you can find, to the entire Mexican immigrant population in general. Which to me only shows how ill informed you really are or how extreme and dishonest you are to drive home your hatred of Mexicans.




I've addressed this. Populations assimilate according to their own timetable, not yours. You may want people to jump to your beat but frankly, who the *%$# are you to dictate how fast they should assimilate? No one.





No. You have nativist rhetoric as old as time and you have fear of everything under the sun which is why I brought up your fear of feminists, liberals, etc. Plus it's funny.



No, that's not "intellect", that is wit. I bet you hate political cartoons and satire as well. You sour man, you...

No, they're just coming to this country AS THEY ALREADY ARE.

Fuck!

And many immigrants from the time this nation started, first resided in immigrant communities where they practiced their own language and customs. And from there they gradually work their way into the larger American culture.

man, you guys act as if history books don't exsist or something...

EDIT:

BTW, where did I assert that Hispanic Americans do not want to keep American practices or ideals? I'd like to know.

Because frankly my beleif is that Hispanic Americans can have BOTH. Cultural ties to their roots and assimilation into American society. It's something that as far as other cultures have shown, lessens over generations. I don't think it's some either/or situation.

Well spoken, Sammitch.

I'd really like WB to address your points since they echo my points, only more articulately.

It's not a Mexican problem, it's just the way immigrant waves have always been and will be again. To ignore that WB's arguments have been voiced over and over again with immigrant group after immigrant group in the history of this country is to frankly be blind, ignorant, or dishonest. Or a combination.

And this country has endured regardless of the nativist rhetoric repeatedly declaring doom and gloom and the end of the American way of life.

True or untrue that doesn't mean the practice should be continued--Especially not this day and age.

You sound as if it's by choice. I think if most immigrants had their druthers, they'd like to live in the nice cozy suburbs with most caucasians. Economics of course will factor into that, white flight may factor into whether they integrate with a majority of whites as well. You want immigrants to integrate? Then don't move away when they get there.

Plus the ease of having a familiar gateway to America in that immigrant community will attract people there.

It's not a matter of whether you like it or even whether the immigrant likes it, it's just the way it is.

But really, please elaborate as to why that is a problem with you.

I think the difference that concerns people today is that there isn't the same slow "work[ing] their way into larger American culture." Instead, there seems to be a demand that the culture has to adapt, not the immigrants.

I agree with everything that Whomod said. I thank him for arguing my points way better than I ever could. Wonderboy I think you are a decent guy....I certainly don't hate you. But you definitely come off as rascist on this issue. I'm sorry. The Republicans come off as fear mongererers and disgust me so much on this issue that I am contemplating abandoning the party. I already won't vote Republican in '08 and may even register as a dem form now on.

with that said I also agrre with what G just said too. That will be the compromise eventually. Let them in let them become Americans, but stop catering to them and make them learn English. I don't have a problem with Spanish language programing or any of that stuff....but government forms and street signs and awhat not should always be in English.

Just think....if the Spanish Armada never invaded England they would have been the super power.

Thank God for PJP!!

Holy shit, did this thread spawn...




Damn. When did Sammitch become well spoken and start using logic and common sense?



Excellent points, Cap'n.




I hate to say it, but I agree here. I don't hate you either WB, but when you label an entire ethnic group as "invaders" based on a fringe groups beliefs, or because they're not assimilating fast enough to your liking, its hard to see you as otherwise. And saying you date women within a certain ethnic group (any ethnic group) or that you're best friend is part of an ethnic group does not bolster your case, nor does it negate the fact that your comments stem from fear and intolerance.




Whoa. When did this happen?



I completely agree with this. You can be proud of your roots and still love your country - as I said earlier, the two are not mutually exclusive. But I think the bending over backwards to accomodate each individual group has gotten ridiculous. The city had a class action a while back where we were being sued because on one of our "know your rights" forms we didn't have some obscure language on that form. I'm not talking Korean, Chinese (two different dialects), Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi or Swahili, (all of which were on the forms, BTW), etc., I'm talking about a language that no one - not me, not my colleagues, not even opposing counsel - had ever heard of. But we were being sued because we didn't have it on the form even though we had thirteen (!?!?!) other languages on that form. That kind of shit is just ridiculous.

I think that once one gets here one should know English - if for no other reason than it opens up so many opportunities for people. Knowing the native tongue of the country one lives in should not be seen as some extraordinary request. That aside, I think that most people who come here are looking for a better life - the "American dream" or whatever you want to call it - and given time, will assimilate while still having pride in their roots. But to blanket an entire ethnic group as "anti-American" "invaders" for the beliefs of a radical minority is just fear mongering that ignores the rest of said group.



Indeed. That's what they got for underestimating a woman.

i is edjamacated

That may be a matter of perception also. If you're walking into a Target or Best Buy and notice Spanish signs, and circulars and friendly salespeople talking to a customer in Spanish, that's just business trying to maximize their profits by trying to tap into that immigrant non-English speaking market, not because anyone "demanded" to be spoken to in Spanish.

Not to say there aren't advocates that demand to be catered to in Spanish or other languages, I just think it's not as prevalent or responsible for a lot of what you see out there. From what I see out there, a lot of it is just a voluntary attempt to tap into a market.

And in my experience, the only people who get offended by another language being spoken or printed are people who aren't used to being around other languages. It's like an affront to them for some reason due to unfamiliarity. If it were replacing English that would be one thing, but if it's just an attempt by business to try to separate 1st generation immigrants from their money more easily.

And it's not just Spanish. Go to the Chinese area of town and you may yet hear some Chinese. Go to the Indian part of town and you may read Indian signs and so forth. It's sort of paranoid IMO to think these people are plotting to usurp English. All they're doing is speaking in he manner they are accustomed to. They will eventually assimilate and when they do, they may still converse this way with other newer immigrants. Like I say, it's not a threat, it's just people being themselves.

You obviously haven't hung around the Chinese if you think they're indifferent to the state of current English language dominance. Contrary to what The Joy Luck Club might have you believe, the Chinese are very stringent about keeping traditions and lifestyles. Not to mention, they're the most racist bunch I've ever met.

Don't know about the Indians.



Just to be clear: You don't believe that particular ethnic groups migrating to America keep an invasive and separatist mentality that involves "taking back" America from "Americans" all the while using the phrase, "we're Americans to," to fend off scrutiny?

As I said earlier, many native Americans assimilated to the technologically superior European culture. The Cherokees I am descended from are the largest surviving North American tribe. Other tribes that were more warlike did not fare as well.
There are about equal numbers of recorded killings, of both Native Americans and Europeans, in their clashes. It is liberals who perpetuate the historically innaccurate notion of mass genocide, despite that over 90% died from mere contact with Europeans, who had immunity to illnesses that Native Americans had never been exposed to. Some massacres and mistreatments of Native Americans occurred, to be sure. (The infected blankets Snarf mentioned were a single incident, not a mass-implemented genocide as he implies.)

But again, Native American hands are not clean of blood either, both before and after contact with Europeans.

Native Americans were not advancing culturally, mostly stone-age hunter-gatherers, who had not even invented the wheel. Who also engaged in bloody tribal warfare, human sacrifice, and even cannibalism. Life spans were short for native Americans in those days.
So spare me the arguments that Europeans interrupted some kind of Native American utopia. There are actually more Native Americans alive today than there were at the time of first European contact, and enjoying a much better standard of living.

As I said in a previous topic, according to an anthropologist friend of mine studying the issue, the average Native American family of four here in Florida is worth about 1.4 million dollars, thanks to tribal allotment from casino revenue.

So happy Thanksgiving to you too.





You've repeatedly voiced your hostility toward whites, way beyond what you could possibly twist the most ambiguous phrase of mine to imply.

I can accept that you don't share that opinion of all whites. But you seem to feel it toward quite a few whites. And in many anecdotes you've given over the years, you seem to live for the opportunity to rub your ethnicity in the white majority's face on every possible occassion.
I find it exciting to meet people from other cultures.

But when someone like you comes along and basically say: "Yeah, look at you white people, you're shitting in your pants because we're taking over!" Gee, why would I be offended by that?



I think the ONLY people you have a problem with are anyone who doesn't share your liberal views. And then you feel a need to shout them down, harass and slander them with all kinds of racist labels.

Even in my more moderate statements across many topics, you still twist what I say to conform to your whipping-boy stereotype of what you imagine, in your wildest wet dreams, to be the ultimate stereotype of a white racist conservative. Often in total opposition to what I actually said.



You call it fear. I call it statistical proof from the U.S. Justice Department, the I.N.S., the U.S. Census Bureau, and respected journalists such as Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, and other sources such as Worldnet Daily, and VDare. And even a few stories from the more mainstream networks.



No, the fears were legitimate, but a stress on the necessity of assimilation and resolving the social problems made things work out.

I don't know much about the Catholic plot to control America, but it is certainly true that the Catholic church dominated Europe for centuries (hence the First Amendment, about not establishing a state religion, and not prohibiting the free practice of all denominations)

You say it's the same, and that my concerns about excessive immigration are just "fear".
But as Buchanan points out well in his book, it's very different now:

(1) Up till 1965, the number of immigrants coming in annually were much smaller, in many years less than 200,000 admitted per year. Now it's over 1.2 million per year (600,000 of whom apply for visas while living illegally in the U.S. with legal-immigrant relatives). Far beyond what even liberal John F. Kennedy envisioned as a sensible level of immigration that could be assimilated.

(2) Up until 1965, virtually all immigration was from Europe. Whether immigrats were English, German, Russian, Greek, Italian, Hungarian or whatever, virtually all immigrants were of a shared Judao-Christian background, and had that much in common.

(3) Up until 1965, when a radical brand of liberalism emerged, assimilation was expected, and strongly urged. But now ethnic separatism and outright anti-Americanism, is encouraged. As is a very negative teaching of American history, that combined work to undermine national unity, and instead encourage ethnic separatism.

(4) Up until 1965, immigrants were selected with the specific purpose of who would likely assimilate well into American culture. Since 1965, we didn't just begin third-world immigration (a very different non-European group of immigrants that our nation has never before successfully assimilated), but we began importing third-world immigration in numbers (36 million) that by far eclipse the previous German, Irish and Italian immigrants combined.
A mass of third-world immigrants that are yet to be proven can successfully be assimilated.

(5) After each huge period of immigration, there was a period of very limited immigration, to allow the large waves of immigrants to assimilate. But despite the visible cracks in the system, any call for lowering immigration is, predictably, labelled as "racist" and "xenophobic", despite that it is clearly a sensible thing to do, to insure national stability.



Again, I make logical well-documented statistically-based arguments for sensible immigration policy, and you resort to slanderous allegations of "racism" and "fear", to bypass my points. "Racism" and "fear" is just how you deceitfully slander any valid opinion you object to.



Once again, you toss in all kinds of weird ideas of your own, and try to pass them off as my ideas, so you can label me a racist.

You again say "Nativist" as if I wanted a white-only America, when I have clearly not said that. I said I welcome people of all races, and enjoy interacting with people of all races and cultures, but I want an America where we, regardless of race, have a shared American culture we all assimilate to.

"Mass deportations and stripping citizenship to millions" is again your idea, not mine. Your malicious attempt to paint me as something I'm not.

I find it exciting to interact with people of other nationalities and cultures. I just don't want them imported to the point that they overwhelm our culture.
To the point that they are at more than 50% of the Broward County population, and approaching 50% in Miami.
And also approaching 50% of total population in Mexican border counties of California, New Mexico and Texas.

I like people from Cuba, Colombia and Brazil. But I don't want the United States to become another Cuba, Colombia or Brazil. But the U.S. is fast becoming that. To the point that for the first time in my life I have to almost be bilingual to do business in my own city.
Again: they are not assimilating to our culture. We are being forced to assimilate to theirs.



A large percentage of Americans have always been concerned about it. It is politicians, whose campaigns are funded by corporations who want cheap immigrant labor, who are betraying America, and betraying average Americans, by ignoring the will of the people. I think consciousness of what is happening to our nation has caused a swelling of opinion for the first time, with this recent immigration "amnesty" bill that was rejected.
It's not an "every four year paranoid issue". It's a real issue, and it's reached a tipping point that demands action.



Again you slander me by alleging it's about race. Once again: For me, it's about assimilation, who assimilates and who doesn't, not race.

More bodies in America with foreign loyalties --of most concern, Mexico-- who feel strongly that the U.S. "stole" the Southwest and that Mexico should have it back (and the innate anti-America/anti-white hostility that attitude reflects), a high ratio of Mexicans who enter this country illegally and don't respect our nation and our laws. That 1 in 12 illegal immigrants caught is found to have a criminal record, that 150,000 crimes are committed annually in this country by illegals, 24% of our prison populations, crowding our courts, high school dropouts who end up on welfare if not in jail... all these things make me seriously question whether these are "Americans" or just alien bodies in America.

Many do assimilate and contribute, as I said.

But as I also said, Mexico has the highest numbers in all these negative categories, that indicate, relative to other groups, they don't assimilate as well, and should be given visas more selectively.

With more visas given to those of third-world nations (S. Korea, India, the Phillipines, etc.) that over the last 40 years statistically assimilate better, and don't end up on welfare or in prison.



Half the local Florida stations on the dial --50 percent!-- is a heartbeat away from spanish dominance, and it is hardly "paranoid" to object to this. As I said, with such a widespread Spanish-speaking accomodation in entertainment and business, why should they bother learning English, or assimilating?

When half the radio and TV stations broadcast in Spanish, when they can press 2 on the phone with their bank or credit card and do business in Spanish, it sends a strong message that they don't need to learn English. When the media is half Spanish radio and TV channels, it is well on its way to becoming 60%, 75% or 100% Spanish. It is invasion. And to not resist it is absolutely a mistake.



Half the channels on the dial. Again, it's multiculturalism gone insane. It's a formula for balkanization and separatism.



No. My point is and remains assimilation, not race. In deceitful communist rhetorical technique, straight from the Moscow Central Committee, you're trying to factlessly slander me through sheer repitition. That you rely on slander over facts just proves to me that you're wrong, to the point of being evil.
That is just pure malicious deceit on your part.

There's no contradiction in what I said, despite your sleaziest attempt, not through facts, but through pure innuendo, to imply otherwise.

As I said, Mexican immigrants have the worst statistical numbers for gangs, drug-related arrests, imprisonment, high-school dropout rates, etc. But I said what I did to make clear that I don't think all Mexicans are criminals. There are many who assimilate and pursue higher education, and contribute as true Americans. But in full disclosure, there are many who do not, a higher percentage of non-performers than any nationality that immigrates here.
And for that reason, and for that reason alone (not race!) I don't think we should continue to accept more immigrants from Mexico than any other nation (30 percent of the U.S.'s legal immigration).
There are other hispanic nations that don't have the poor numbers that Mexico does, and we should draw more immigrants from them.






As I said, I'm less familiar with the anti-Catholic fears. But there was a time when Europe was completely controlled by the Catholic church, and many of our nation's founders came here for religious freedom, from the repressive control of the Catholic church.

It's not paranoid or inconceivable that the Catholic church had plans to similarly spread their influence in the U.S.
Or paranoid, given the Catholic church's history (the Inquisition, the Jesuits), to want to insure that was prevented.



Because of a stress on the need to assimilate, that thanks to "multiculturalism" is now considered racist. What insured assimmilation then no longer protects us. Imagine 50% of radio and TV stations in german during the time you mention. We'd be a german colony now.



Because of a hold period where there was virtually no immigration for several decades, to absorb the large wave of immigrants, yes, they were assimilated.

With 36 million immigrants in the last 40 years, where is the logical freeze on immigration, to insure assimilation? We just continue to let in another 1.2 million every year. Plus the estimated 20 million illegals here now. It is, again, not immigration, but invasion. With no end in sight.



Again, large waves, punctuated with decades of low immigration, to absorb and assimilate the large waves. But the assimilation mechanisms are now broken, because of liberal notions of "multiculturalism" and "racism".

The mechanisms that insured assimilation have been broken by liberals, who branded them "racist."




So if I limited my social interaction to just Europeans, I would be a racist (naturally, by definition).

But even though I interact and socialize with people of pretty much every race and nationality, you still somehow manage to brand that as racism, through some liberal distortion, as well.

Nice loaded argument. But it bypasses the reality of my daily experience.




So now you find a way to brand even my Argentinian friends as goose-stepping Aryan supermen.

Again, you assume a lot, and your argument is pure slander. Orlando is the friend I mentioned in another topic where I said we were in a restaurant, and seeing a mistake in the bill, he said: "That waitress hears me talk with a Spanish accent, and she thinks I add with a hispanic accent too." Which shocked me, as have other comments where he felt discriminated against because he's hispanic.

i don't know how to respond to that, wondy. you basically rewrote history to suit your post and political views.