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This is far different than the "Biggest WTF" thread. Think of this almost as an informal survey of what comics, stories and concepts for comics you thought were the worst ideas ever.
5) Identity Crisis. Metzler's not content with the rape and horrific murder of a symbol of Silver Age innocence (Sue Dibny); he seems hell-bent on destroying the innocence of the Silver Age itself. Sue's finally being pregnant with Ralph's baby made her murder especially horrific to me.
4) The Outsiders. Too much violence, too much foul language, not enough plot, and that lame excuse Winnick and Raney gave for exchanging Captain Marvel Junior's red cape for the white and gold towel that's currently hanging off his shoulders.
(A side note: I may know enough profanity to make sailors and construction workers blush, but when I write, I don't let the characters I write say anything worse than "aw, crap" or "okay, NOW I'm PISSED!!".)
3) Hal Jordan's imminent return as Green Lantern. Sorry, but this just smacks of a writer (Geoff Johns) pandering to the whims of a small group of drooling fanboys, including Alex Ross.
2) (tie) SHAZAM!: The New Beginning and The Power of SHAZAM!. Although I did one thing about this mini (Uncle Dudley actually being related to Billy), New Beginning was (dare I say it?) far too dark and depressing for my tastes.
Power of SHAZAM! had way too many "creep-out" factors for me to enjoy it, especially Billy's child brain being in an adult skin (too much like PRIME), the child Mary Batson / adult "Lady Cap" and the implied mystical "incest" between the World's Mightiest Siblings to "give birth" to Junior.
1) JSA. See Outsiders for most of my reasons, then top it off with Geoff Johns changing Captain Marvel from the World's Mightiest Mortal into the World's Mightiest Accused Pedophile, all the while his "accusors" (Jay and Alan) don't give Nuklon's (I will NEVER call him "Atom Smasher". It spits on the memory of Al Pratt) former attentions to SSK / Courtney Whitmore (which were of a creepier, more "serious" vein than Cap's, imo) a second thought because he's "family".
That's my list. Feel perfectly free to disagree with it OR add to it. 
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I disagree with #5, #3, and #1, but I'd agree with the others.
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...you're pissed off about the colour of a cape?
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I definitely agree with three. Y'know, if H.E.A.T. had put as much time, effort, and money in supporting cancer research as they did SUPPORTING A FICTIONAL CHARACTER, we'd have a cure by now.
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Me? No, I just agree that the new Outsiders series in general is crap. The colour of a cape doesn't really make a difference to me.
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The recent David Mack run on Daredievil.
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Make that "runs" and I'd agree with you. I can't believe how many times I had to re-read the same artsy-fartsy poetic crap in almost every issue he did.
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Personally, I think it's a tie between Kyle Baker's Plastic Man (he DOES realize that there's such a thing as too silly, right?) and the new Firestorm (bring back Ronnie!!!)
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No, I just agree that the new Outsiders series in general is crap.
I think that really should read 'Judd Winnick' instead of 'the new Outsiders series'...
Just a suggestion...
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I disagree with #5, #3, and #1, but I'd agree with the others.
You mean you find Jay and Alan questioning Captain Marvel (or should I call him "Billy Batson, Superteen"?) on his "intentions" towards Courtney (which were more innocent than some I could name) while ignoring Nuklon's lust-filled gazes at her perfectly acceptable?
Color me surprised... not. 
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Make that "runs" and I'd agree with you. I can't believe how many times I had to re-read the same artsy-fartsy poetic crap in almost every issue he did.
Now that I think about it, his first run wasn't that good. I bought it in trade form where it didn't bother me that much. I'm sure that if I read it in monthly installments I would have disliked it.
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I disagree with #5, #3, and #1, but I'd agree with the others.
You mean you find Jay and Alan questioning Captain Marvel (or should I call him "Billy Batson, Superteen"?) on his "intentions" towards Courtney (which were more innocent than some I could name) while ignoring Nuklon's lust-filled gazes at her perfectly acceptable?
Color me surprised... not.
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5) Identity Crisis. Metzler's not content with the rape and horrific murder of a symbol of Silver Age innocence (Sue Dibny); he seems hell-bent on destroying the innocence of the Silver Age itself. Sue's finally being pregnant with Ralph's baby made her murder especially horrific to me.
I like Identity Crisis and what it's doing. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of the Silver Age. To gimmick ridden overall for me. I'll admit that great ideas and stories came from then, but I'm not a fan of the whole atmosphere of the industry back then. And the fact the Metzler made me care about Ralph and Sue is a testament to his skills as a writer. Her murder being horrific was the whole point.
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ShazamGrrl1 said:4) The Outsiders. Too much violence, too much foul language, not enough plot, and that lame excuse Winnick and Raney gave for exchanging Captain Marvel Junior's red cape for the white and gold towel that's currently hanging off his shoulders.
(A side note: I may know enough profanity to make sailors and construction workers blush, but when I write, I don't let the characters I write say anything worse than "aw, crap" or "okay, NOW I'm PISSED!!".)
I'll replace this one with just allowing Judd Winnick to write comic books period. He sucks hairy donkey balls. I couldn't care less about Marv. Jr.'s cape. It's a fucking cape. Nor do I care about language, as long as it is done with a purpose and not simply because it can be done.
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3) Hal Jordan's imminent return as Green Lantern. Sorry, but this just smacks of a writer (Geoff Johns) pandering to the whims of a small group of drooling fanboys, including Alex Ross.
I think this is more of DC pandering to the whims of the fans and not Johns. If it's going to be done, I'd rather he do it. Besides, I have yet to see him say that Hal is coming back as a Green Lantern. I'll just wait for this one to come out before passing judgement.
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2) (tie) SHAZAM!: The New Beginning and The Power of SHAZAM!. Although I did one thing about this mini (Uncle Dudley actually being related to Billy), New Beginning was (dare I say it?) far too dark and depressing for my tastes.
Power of SHAZAM! had way too many "creep-out" factors for me to enjoy it, especially Billy's child brain being in an adult skin (too much like PRIME), the child Mary Batson / adult "Lady Cap" and the implied mystical "incest" between the World's Mightiest Siblings to "give birth" to Junior.
Haven't read it. Can't comment.
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1) JSA. See Outsiders for most of my reasons, then top it off with Geoff Johns changing Captain Marvel from the World's Mightiest Mortal into the World's Mightiest Accused Pedophile, all the while his "accusors" (Jay and Alan) don't give Nuklon's (I will NEVER call him "Atom Smasher". It spits on the memory of Al Pratt) former attentions to SSK / Courtney Whitmore (which were of a creepier, more "serious" vein than Cap's, imo) a second thought because he's "family".
I think Jay and Alan were more concerned with the fact that Courtney was returning Cap.'s looks. A guy equated with Superman is going to get a few more critical stares when scoping out an underaged girl.
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No offense Grrl1, but none of the titles you listed can compare to the crappiness of stinkseries like Cloak & Dagger, Wild Dog or US1. Seems you have some more or less gripes about some of the finer aspects of the books you mentioned.
thedoctor sums up my feelings about IC pretty well and so far JSA is moving along pretty nice.
The Return of Hal, well, let's wait til its out before passing judgement.
As for outsiders, I have never bought a Winick book, took the chance to jump off Green Arrow when he came aboard. Judging from the comments here, this was a good decision!
I never read Shazam except for the Starman crossover, so I have no opinion here.
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The only thing of Winick's I've really cared for was Exiles, which I started reading in the trades a few months back. Don't really care for anything else he's done.
ID Crisis is one the best things DC's done of late. Meltzer's not pissing on the Silver Age, he's adding layers of depth to it. Something it badly needs.
As far as Atom Smasher scoping Courtney out. Guess what? Didn't happen. It was the other way round. So take that baldfaced lie and shove it somewhere.
Apologies for being short, but I've been awake since last night and dealing with a broken air conditioner almost since I got off work and I'm in no mood for blatant crap like that. You don't like Johns. Fine, we get it. Get over it and move on with your life.
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that dude's PISSED!
ShazamGrrl1, since Captain Marvel is my fave DC character I have to ask if there is anything you DO like that's been done with the character lately, since you obviously have a lot of things you don't like (4 out of 5). Also, is there anything you would like to see done with the characters of Shazam in the future?
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well, in that case, i'd hate to see you ever actually get pissed.
not a shot against ya, but i think this is the first time i've ever seen you like this. either that, or my memory's failing me again.
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I've had maybe twenty minutes of sleep. . .
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if it makes you feel any better, i got into a car accident this morning, my watch stopped, and a girl actually had the audacity to tell me she was busy saturday. but hey, no work tomorrow.
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that dude's PISSED!
ShazamGrrl1, since Captain Marvel is my fave DC character I have to ask if there is anything you DO like that's been done with the character lately, since you obviously have a lot of things you don't like (4 out of 5).
Honestly... no, I haven't liked anything DC's done to the Marvel Family or the other Fawcett characters since Crisis.
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I love all the Fawcett characters, so I'd love to write stories for them myself, but DC probably wouldn't go for it because, story-wise at least, what I have in mind is something that they'd probably consider "too radical".
I'd gear them towards all readers, including kids.
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ShazamGrrl1 said:
I love all the Fawcett characters, so I'd love to write stories for them myself, but DC probably wouldn't go for it because, story-wise at least, what I have in mind is something that they'd probably consider "too radical".
I'd gear them towards all readers, including kids. Wow, that is radical ! This review by Michael Medved of the recent CAPTAIN AMERICA series captures well my own opinion: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-medved040403.aspPlenty of comics present anti-American views, but I find dragging an iconic symbol of American patriotism through the mud, and giving him a weak ability to articulate any defense of U.S. actions a little much. ~ Regarding Captain Marvel portrayals, post-CRISIS, one I really enjoyed was his part in the early issues of JUSTICE LEAGUE/JLI. And the same with Mary Marvel in the more recent FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE JUSTICE LEAGUE series. I like that these characters are able to retain their sincere and optimistic "Holy Moley" / "Gee Whiz" quality, despite the cynicism around them.  --------------------  "This Man, This Wonder Boy..."
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This review by Micheal Medved of the recent CAPTAIN AMERICA series captures well my own opinion:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-medved040403.asp
Plenty of comics present anti-American views, but I find dragging an iconic symbol of American patriotism through the mud, and giving him a weak ability to defend U.S. actions a little much.
That's why I'm pleased by this line from Ed Brubaker discussing his new stint writing Cap on Newsarama...
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