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The New York Post is reporting that Rudy Guiliani seems to be putting aside ideas of running for New York State Governor in order to concentrate on a 2008 presidential bid: Rudy Giuliani's top aide says it's "really unlikely" the former mayor will run for governor next year, now that he's building a new law firm — but he left the door wide open to a 2008 presidential bid.
"In light of the new firm and his organizational obligations to Giuliani Partners, it's not likely," longtime Giuliani aide Tony Carbonetti told The Post.
"You never say never, but he's committed to building a really successful law firm."
But when asked about a possible White House bid, Carbonetti said, "That's a decision that doesn't have to be made for a while." If true, I'm both heartened and disappointed. Rudy is currently my first choice for President in '08 and any movement in that direction is good. On the other hand, as a NY'er I was really hoping he'd be our next governor.
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What about both? Rudy as president, Rice as vice president.
Or the other way around.
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Because Rudy is a pro-choice Northeastern Republican, he would likely pick a southern, more conservative, pro-lifer for VP, in order to balance the ticket. This probably rules Condi out.
On the other hand, if it's McCain in 08, since he's a southwesterner and pro-life, I could see him more readily having Condi as VP.
The other problem for Condi is that, frankly, while she's a brilliant person, she's not really a politician and has never run, to my knowledge, for anything. In this day and age, you don't get to be President (or Vice President) without a few campaigns under your belt.
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What about both? Rudy as president, Rice as vice president.
Or the other way around.
That would be almost as horrible as that Bush/Rice idea people were throwing around.
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The other problem for Condi is that, frankly, while she's a brilliant person, she's not really a politician and has never run, to my knowledge, for anything. In this day and age, you don't get to be President (or Vice President) without a few campaigns under your belt.
Duck that! Duck that in the goat ass!
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Pariah, I hate to break it to you, but Condi has already more or less ruled out running for Prez in '08.
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Bullshit!!
She'll run! You just wait and see!
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rudy/mccain or mccain/rudy is still my ideal selection, though either one of them running with someone else would probably get my vote, as well.
i dont agree with everything they do, but i just like their politics. i feel they're "honest" politicians, if you pardon the expression.
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If he runs for president in '08, Rudy can't failHurricane Katrina may have changed the dimension of the nation's politics for 2008.
The Katrina thing wasn't Bush's fault, but what was needed was a president who could pull the trigger domestically, knock heads together with the state and local governments and deliver resources quickly. That spells only one name for future president. In an ideal world he may not have been my first choice, but it's Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani played no role in taming Katrina, but as I saw New Orleans turn into an open sewer, all I could think of was what Giuliani would do. Threats to our country demand a Prince of the City: a prince fearless enough to write his own rules to establish order. And a prince emblematic of Machiavelli's book of the same name, one who can bluff winningly, who can engender fear and respect. As one conservative Republican woman in Temecula, Calif., told radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt: ''All that [meaning pro-life, pro-abortion] doesn't matter if we're not safe." By which she meant Giuliani, the indomitable ex-mayor of New York, the hero of 9/11. With Giuliani, the signal would be transmitted to all: He's determined that we will be safe at home.
The Twin Towers disaster and Katrina were different, but what Giuliani did in New York was to direct the city while instructing the entire country as to what was happening and how he was going to fix it. Giuliani seized the day. He is running first in the 2008 Republican sweepstakes.
They say he's a sinner, and I believe that. His personal life has been, up to his third marriage, awful. He slept on the couch at Gracie Mansion, vomited by his solitary self after chemotherapy for prostate cancer, wife No. 2 not caring enough to inquire about him. Now he's cured and is a wiser but sadder man. I like my presidents humbled somewhat.
Fortunately, I am not alone in my high regard for Giuliani. The most recent Pew poll, which maps the political landscape, has Giuliani topping all contenders across a broad swath of public opinion. He rates highest among enterprisers, those who want to promote business (90 percent); social conservatives (75 percent); pro-government conservatives (69 percent); the "upbeats" who view the future positively (69 percent); taking with him a majority of the disaffected people who have felt depressed about the country's future (53 percent); doing nicely with disadvantaged Democrats (37 percent), and falling just short of a majority with liberals (47 percent). He has done this without the visible trappings of a campaign.
There's only one guy in modern times who started with such an advantage: Dwight D. Eisenhower. When Eisenhower announced for president, few knew anything about him other than he was a man of decisiveness. On June 4, 1944, he looked at his watch and the weather reports and said, ''We'll go.'' Did we ever.
And as for those who say that Giuliani is too liberal, I say: Wait for the change as the campaign unfolds and he won't have to romance just New York City. His critics forget the magical fluidity that is politics. Ike started out as an FDR man, JFK an America Firster, LBJ a segregationist, Nixon a Red China-basher.
Reagan was originally a pro-choicer who co-founded Americans for Democratic Action. George H.W. Bush, who was called "rubber George" in the House, wanted the feds to control population and was an enthusiastic pro-choicer. And remember, George W. was a supporter of humble, stay-at-home foreign policy.
One more thing: Let 'em pair Giuliani, whose words spout like bullets from a machine gun, with a veep who talks slow, with the vowels dripping syrup on hominy grits swimming with butter: Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, who brilliantly handled Hurricane Katrina. Manhattan and Mississippi. Yeah: I like that.
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I honestly believe that Rudy is a viable candidate for '08, but isn't it funny how this disaster has been good PR for him. I mean I've been hearing his name spouted by everyone for two weeks now, but I haven't seen him on TV or anything. The Media-Political Machine is a strange beast.
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If he's not down there in the disaster area (basically running for President), thats a point in his favor. I'm sure there is many things I would dislike about a Rudy Presidency but I think he would at least be capable of doing a good job running the country.
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I too would vote for him.
Or Vince McMahon.
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I can't recall anyone in the last 50 years winning the presidency without having served as either a governor, vice president, or senator.
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I can't recall anyone in the last 50 years winning the presidency without having served as either a governor, vice president, or senator.
Go back 53 years (or only the last 12 or so elections), however, and you have Dwight D. Eisenhower.
I see you point, and it isn't a bad one. However, as Mayor of New York, Guiliani presided over a city that's government and population was larger than some of our states.
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I can't recall anyone in the last 50 years winning the presidency without having served as either a governor, vice president, or senator.
Go back 53 years (or only the last 12 or so elections), however, and you have Dwight D. Eisenhower.
I see you point, and it isn't a bad one. However, as Mayor of New York, Guiliani presided over a city that's government and population was larger than some of our states.
I thought of Eisenhower, that's why I said 50 years 
Rudy is popular, but honestly ask yourself how much of Bush's Christian rightwing base would support the former mayor of one of America's most liberal cities?
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If Rudy runs against Hillary Clinton, the "Christian right wing base" will crawl over broken glass if need be to vote for Rudy.
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If Rudy runs against Hillary Clinton, the "Christian right wing base" will crawl over broken glass if need be to vote for Rudy.
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If Rudy runs against Hillary Clinton, the "Christian right wing base" will crawl over broken glass if need be to vote for Rudy.
Depends. It may just be the more fanatical ones who are going to vote Republican no matter what. Clinton may just be looking pretty good in 2008.
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If Rudy runs against Hillary Clinton, the "Christian right wing base" will crawl over broken glass if need be to vote for Rudy.
Depends. It may just be the more fanatical ones who are going to vote Republican no matter what. Clinton may just be looking pretty good in 2008.
Only with extensive plastic surgery and a personality implant.
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If Rudy runs against Hillary Clinton, the "Christian right wing base" will crawl over broken glass if need be to vote for Rudy.
what makes you say that?
I can see the christian's hating bill, but hillary never cheated on her husband and i think she mentioned her religion in forgiving him.
besides, if you're a suburban christian, who would you vote for?
nice housewife or?
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Speaking as someone who probably knows more fanatical right wing Christians (FRWCs) than anyone else you're just going to have to trust me on this one.
The best the Dems could hope for is that the FWRCs stay home and don't vote at all. Which might work if the Dems nominated some moderate southern democrat. But right or wrong (and that's a debate for a Hillary in '08 thread), the conservative base sees the Hillary Clinton as the most dispicable member of the Democratic party since Ted Kennedy.
The Republicans could run a gay black man for Prez and a lot of the FRWCs would still vote for him over "the Hildebeast."
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Speaking as someone who probably knows more fanatical right wing Christians (FRWCs) than anyone else you're just going to have to trust me on this one.
The best the Dems could hope for is that the FWRCs stay home and don't vote at all. Which might work if the Dems nominated some moderate southern democrat. But right or wrong (and that's a debate for a Hillary in '08 thread), the conservative base sees the Hillary Clinton as the most dispicable member of the Democratic party since Ted Kennedy.
The Republicans could run a gay black man for Prez and a lot of the FRWCs would still vote for him over "the Hildebeast."
To add to what G-Man said.....she is a fucking cunt without one sincere bone in her body......Rudy would destroy her....if he never got cancer he would be senator right now...not her. Rick Lazio almost beat her.
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And Lazio ran a terrible campaign.
But back to Rudy.
Rudy is sort of like Dwight Eisenhower. Eisenhower was elected because he was seen as pillar of strength and leadership during a dark time in US history. That's the way most Americans view Guiliani.
Also, even if Rudy doesn't get all the support in "red" states that Bush got, there are few "blue" states that were close enough in votes that they could easily swing the other way for a republican like Guiliani. New Jersey and Pennsylvania coming immediately to mind.
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And Lazio ran a terrible campaign.
But back to Rudy.
Rudy is sort of like Dwight Eisenhower. Eisenhower was elected because he was seen as pillar of strength and leadership during a dark time in US history. That's the way most Americans view Guiliani.
Also, even if Rudy doesn't get all the support in "red" states that Bush got, there are few "blue" states that were close enough in votes that they could easily swing the other way for a republican like Guiliani. New Jersey and Pennsylvania coming immediately to mind.
I think you suffer from East Coast Myopia. I doubt people west of Appalachia think much about Rudi at all.
What's with the hostility towards Hillary? She was rated 81st best attorney in the USA by American Lawyer in 1992. Corporate litigator. You jealous or something?
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The word Clinton does seem to get some hysterical reactions from some folk.
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The word Clinton does seem to get some hysterical reactions from some folk.
G-Man will probably go into convulsions now....
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The word Clinton does seem to get some hysterical reactions from some folk.
G-Man will probably go into convulsions now....
Not the most flattering pic of her so he might be OK Seeing that pic of the Clintons reminds me of where we were at just one President ago
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The word Clinton does seem to get some hysterical reactions from some folk.
G-Man will probably go into convulsions now....
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Not the most flattering pic of her so he might be OK Seeing that pic of the Clintons reminds me of where we were at just one President ago
Kind a like the '80s only better. Money flying around the room, lavish parties in fine restaurants! When the IPOs are soaring, life is good! Then the Republicans came to power again. The party was over. All the money went back to the same boring assholes that have had it all along!
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New Poll: Giuliani Would Trounce Hillary for President
Rudy Giuliani would beat Hillary Clinton in a race for the White House in 2008, the latest Gallup poll reveals.
The former New York City mayor received a favorable rating of 64 percent in the poll, with Sen. Clinton a distant second at 53 percent. Sen. John McCain tallied 51 percent and Sen. John Kerry got just 42 percent
Apparently enough people in the country, West of Appalachia or otherwise, think about the man enough to have him "trounce" Hillary in a hypothetical matchup.
Granted a lot could happen between now and a hypothetical election day matchup between the two, but obviously the man's got the name recognition to do this well in an early poll.
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What's with the hostility towards Hillary? She was rated 81st best attorney in the USA by American Lawyer in 1992. Corporate litigator. You jealous or something?
Why does everything have to be personal with you some days?
This poll is about Guiliani and, to a lesser extent, Guiliani vs Clinton. As a Republican who is active in politics on many levels and who studies politics on many levels, I am aware that many, many, Republicans consider Hillary their bete noir. I simply noted that fact.
As for myself, do I like the woman personally or politically? No. I find her pushy, arrogant and willing to put ambition over principle on many levels. I think that a large chunk of the policy mistakes that her husband made as President were due to her influence. As a conservative I find many of her policies wrongheaded or dangerous for our nation. As a New Yorker I think she's worthless as a Senator, more concerned with her national ambitions then serving her constituency. But that doesn't mean I think she's stupid, either.
But this is a thread about Guiliani and how he'd fare in a national election. If want to start a thread about Hillary feel free to do so.
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You've just described most politicians, G-Man...
And polls are just polls until its time to vote.
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As noted above, I cited the poll simply to point out that it was evidence of Guiliani's national name recognition, no more, no less.
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I understand.
My point was that we could wade through all of the polls done in the past and find numerous examples of polls that didn't hold up during crunchtime. What I don't know much about when it comes to Rudy is his fiscal policy.
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