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Got this in an email today...interesting... white people "find" things White "finders" black people "loot" things Black "looter"
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I'm not sure the female "finder" in the photo is white.
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Did this really warrant its own thread?
Anyway, this is all over the blogs. Apparently, the woman is indeed white.
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Got this in an email today...interesting...
white people "find" things
White "finders"
black people "loot" things
Black "looter"
Are you suggesting that tere is racism in Louisiana. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! 
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Did this really warrant its own thread?
I'd rather see it in its own thread than see it turning the Katrina thread into yet another thread about the media's liberal or conservative bias.
Anyway...you never know.
It could be racism. Or it could be simply that one reporter wrote one caption based on what he saw and another reporter wrote one caption based on what he saw.
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For what it is worth, Yahoo has issued a statement about this. Apparently, the two photos, and the captions came from two completely different news organizations. The "white" photo, and caption, came from AFP/Getty, while the "black" photo, and caption, came from the Associated Press. Had the same person wrote the captions, I could see racism. But when two different people, at two different news agencies, did it, that's a harder call to make. The different in terms could be due to a number of things: hesitancy on one reporter's part to call taking food in a crisis "looting" vs willingness on the other reporter's part to do so; an editorial edict at one organization that holds you can't accuse someone of a "crime" (such as looting) without a conviction for legal reasons (for a while Rueters referred to Osama Bin Laden as an "alleged terrorist"); etc. It's an interesting issue and it goes to show how the media's use of language is something that always should be scrutinized.
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Both captions are from "trusted" news sources--AP and Getty. But saying that you "found" food with no open businesses seems a bit odd.
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I think the hurricane is a RASCIST!
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Both captions are from "trusted" news sources--AP and Getty. But saying that you "found" food with no open businesses seems a bit odd.
I agree. But given that two different people wrote the captions it could as easily be based on, as noted above, the writers' inability or unwillingness to accuse ANYONE of looting as much as on race.
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impossible! its more likely that 2 people from two news outlets that more than likely never met conspired to stereotype!
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news flash..most people left in new orleans were poor blacks....whites are the majority skin tone in the country at this moment..so it seems natural that poor blacks are the ones looting and the whiteys are the ones doing the saving...of course i have seen just as many police and military and volunteers that are black in NO and houston. I don't get it really....
The real question is why didn't NO offer transportation to the poor black population ( elderly, social security recipients, etc)at the onset? The poor always get fucked.
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Got this in an email today...interesting...
white people "find" things
White "finders"
black people "loot" things
Black "looter"
Are you suggesting that there is racism in Louisiana. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
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For what it is worth, Yahoo has issued a statement about this.
Apparently, the two photos, and the captions came from two completely different news organizations. The "white" photo, and caption, came from AFP/Getty, while the "black" photo, and caption, came from the Associated Press.
Had the same person wrote the captions, I could see racism.
But when two different people, at two different news agencies, did it, that's a harder call to make. The different in terms could be due to a number of things: hesitancy on one reporter's part to call taking food in a crisis "looting" vs willingness on the other reporter's part to do so; an editorial edict at one organization that holds you can't accuse someone of a "crime" (such as looting) without a conviction for legal reasons (for a while Rueters referred to Osama Bin Laden as an "alleged terrorist"); etc.
It's an interesting issue and it goes to show how the media's use of language is something that always should be scrutinized.
Can Bin Laden even sue the AP for slander?
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Both captions are from "trusted" news sources--AP and Getty. But saying that you "found" food with no open businesses seems a bit odd.
I agree. But given that two different people wrote the captions it could as easily be based on, as noted above, the writers' inability or unwillingness to accuse ANYONE of looting as much as on race.
Oh, definitely. These days, people are too quick to yell "racism!". This story's more of a shrug for me.
And, yes, of course, the hurricane is racsist.
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Yeah, but volcanos are gay-marriage proponents.
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Also, another way of looking at the issue.
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Also, another way of looking at the issue.
Sorry Theo...the writer is an admitted purse-snatcher! I can't in good conscience put any stock into his reasoning...lol!
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Kanye West Rips Bush During NBC Concert
Fri Sep 02, 9:28 PM ET
It began, fittingly enough, with jazz from New Orleans natives Harry Connick Jr. and Wynton Marsalis. But "A Concert for Hurricane Relief," a heartfelt and dignified benefit aired on NBC and other networks Friday night, took an unexpected turn thanks to the outspoken rapper Kanye West.
Appearing two-thirds through the program, he claimed "George Bush doesn't care about black people" and said America is set up "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible."
The show, simulcast from New York on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and Pax, was aired live to the East Coast, enabling the Grammy-winning rapper's outburst to go out uncensored.
There was a several-second tape delay, but the person in charge "was instructed to listen for a curse word, and didn't realize (West) had gone off-script," said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.
Immediately after the airing was over, Marks said it was undetermined how much, if any, of the tirade would be included in the taped West Coast feed three hours later.
The host was NBC News' Matt Lauer, who invited viewers to contribute to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund by phone or on the Web. Some 18 presenters performed musical numbers or gave information on the tragedy's huge scope.
Louisiana native Tim McGraw teared up as he told Lauer, "I know the citizens that weren't affected by this directly are gonna stand up and do good things for people." He sang two songs, then became the first of the evening's stars to sign a Gibson Les Paul Special guitar to be auditioned online.
Faith Hill, a Mississippi native, sang "There Will Come a Time," with the inspiring lyrics, "The darkness will be gone, the weak shall be strong. Hold on to your faith."
New Orleans son Aaron Neville performed Randy Newman's soulful "Louisiana 1927" with the memorable chorus, "they're trying to wash us away, they're trying to wash us away."
New York governor George Pataki presented the Red Cross with a check for $2.5 million and promised, "This great state will do far more."
"In terms of property damage," said actress Hilary Swank, "the estimate is at least $26 billion in insured losses and perhaps twice that in uninsured losses over a 90,000-square-mile area approximately the size of Kansas."
Other speakers included Lindsay Lohan, Eric LaSalle, Glenn Close, Richard Gere, John Goodman and Leonardo DiCaprio.
Comedian Mike Myers was paired with West for a 90-second segment that began with Myers speaking of Katrina's devastation. Then, to Myers' evident surprise, West began a rant by saying, "I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food."
While allowing that "the Red Cross is doing everything they can," West who delivered an emotional outburst at the American Music Awards after he was snubbed for an award declared that government authorities are intentionally dragging their feet on aid to the Gulf Coast. Without getting specific, he added, "They've given them permission to go down and shoot us."
After he stated, "George Bush doesn't care about black people. Please call _" the camera cut away to comedian Chris Tucker.
Concluding the hour a few minutes later, Lauer noted that "emotions in this country right now are running very high. Sometimes that emotion is translated into inspiration, sometimes into criticism. We've heard some of that tonight. But it's still part of the American way of life."
Then the entire ensemble performed "When the Saints Go Marching In."
In a statement, NBC said, "Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him, and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks.
"It would be most unfortunate," the statement continued, "if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person's opinion."
Friday's program was the first of several TV benefits planned through next weekend.
NBC and the five other major commercial broadcast networks, along with PBS, plan to unite next Friday for a special. The same night, BET will air a benefit. And on Saturday, Sept. 10, the MTV networks will air a special.
ah nothing like someone using a fundraiser to spotlight thereselves and sell a few more albums....
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And thus, his point is null and void.
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In a statement, NBC said, "Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him, and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks.
That's entertainment.
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And thus, his point is null and void.
Glad you agree. Perhaps we can also agree that his point is null and void because there is simply no evidence for his allegations.
All of which tends to make him look like just another incredibly wealthy rapper trying to establish his "angry rebel" cred in time for a new album.
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And thus, his point is null and void.
Glad you agree. Perhaps we can also agree that his point is null and void because there is simply no evidence for his allegations.
Whether he was right or wrong for the rant,as a white,non-poor American you cannot categorically say there is no evidence for his allegations!
He might be over the top in his allegations,but the view from the other side can often be different to the opposite side!
He prolly is talking crap,but I wouldnt totally dismiss it without first living it!
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no but a solid look at the facts makes his claims null and void. i doubt the goverment is spending 10 billion dollars to rescue the white affluent people that have already left.
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And thus, his point is null and void.
Glad you agree. Perhaps we can also agree that his point is null and void because there is simply no evidence for his allegations.
Whether he was right or wrong for the rant,as a white,non-poor American you cannot categorically say there is no evidence for his allegations!
He might be over the top in his allegations,but the view from the other side can often be different to the opposite side!
He prolly is talking crap,but I wouldnt totally dismiss it without first living it!
good point nowie.......this no name hack is full of shit trying to make a name for himself......but the fact remains there are many black people out there that feel that way and that should be adressed by the president....... this opportunistic leech capitalizing on those feelings is a shame though.
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i wonder how people like him and jesse jackson sleep at night nowing they use the tragedy of others to allevate theirselves?
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But that just seems the way with so many politicians & celebrities!
It doesnt even have to be in their country,they can always use a disaster to take a swipe at their opposition or hype their latest record/concert/tv show etc!
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Whether he was right or wrong for the rant,as a white,non-poor American you cannot categorically say there is no evidence for his allegations!
This is simply ludicrous. Just because G-Man isn't the same race as West, that does not mean he can't create a, possibly, more accurate assertion regarding the state of discrimination in New Orleans that disagrees with West's conclusion.
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Whether he was right or wrong for the rant,as a white,non-poor American you cannot categorically say there is no evidence for his allegations!
This is simply ludicrous. Just because G-Man isn't the same race as West, that does not mean he can't create a, possibly, more accurate assertion regarding the state of discrimination in New Orleans that disagrees with West's conclusion.
he wasn't saying that pariah. but there is poverty out there that is mind boggling to us.......and unless you actually ever live through it, it's tough to really understand what excatly they are going through. did you know that there were some people down in new orleans that didn't even know a hurricane was coming? not everyone owns a tv and a radio.....or computer for that matter.
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But that just seems the way with so many politicians & celebrities!
It doesnt even have to be in their country,they can always use a disaster to take a swipe at their opposition or hype their latest record/concert/tv show etc!
agreed its not limited to those 2, i heard paul begala on tv talking about how the iraq war caused this! people sometimes would rather get their own profile raised than help others.
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I probably should have said "no credible evidence."
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Does the fact that the situation exists not count as "credible evidence"?
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No. An effect does not equal cause.
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Whether he was right or wrong for the rant,as a white,non-poor American you cannot categorically say there is no evidence for his allegations!
This is simply ludicrous. Just because G-Man isn't the same race as West, that does not mean he can't create a, possibly, more accurate assertion regarding the state of discrimination in New Orleans that disagrees with West's conclusion.
he wasn't saying that pariah. but there is poverty out there that is mind boggling to us.......and unless you actually ever live through it, it's tough to really understand what excatly they are going through. did you know that there were some people down in new orleans that didn't even know a hurricane was coming? not everyone owns a tv and a radio.....or computer for that matter.
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No. An effect does not equal cause.
Then what caused this effect?
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I agree with G-Man. After all, if bush hates black people then why has he appointed Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell to the government?
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I agree with G-Man. After all, if bush hates black people then why has he appointed Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell to the government?
The answer's obvious--they aren't black!
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