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I know it's a tired old cliché, but don't get me wrong, I much prefer to actually have the comics than to simply download them.

It's just not the same when you read comics on the 'puter

Cool. In that case, follow the cash.

I thought the Danish economy was pretty solid.

Is your service in the Royal Guard reserves mandatory? It would really suck if you should ever be deployed. Personally, I could never imagine it. We've got a few vets at the Insurgency and from what I've heard, serving in the armed forces is not a pleasant experience. Good luck to you.

Zzap!

I couldn't agree more. We have a debate going on at the Insurgency over whether or not there will even be comic books in 10 or 20 years.

Personally, I think fans will always want to have the books; something tangible to hold onto over a bunch of CDRoms with bits of data on them.

Zzap!

I look at the backs of CD-Roms and say, "Lookey, Superman."

The burden of originality is on you. After all, this is your quest for vengeance.

As per your sig:

The danish economy is very solid indeed, I even get paid to study. But I do have rent to pay, food is rather expensive aswell. And don't get even get me started on comicbook prices...

Nope, it's not mandatory, it's completely optional. I simply decided that I'd like to be in the reserves because I'd like to be deployed, though that haven't happened yet. I've been in the reserves for 6 years and have yet to be deployed.

You have to remember though, that the Danish army is vastly different from its american equivalant. We do not train killing machines in the danish army, that's just one small part of it. There's medical training, fire fighting, peacekeeping and lots and lots of other stuff.
I myself am in a medical unit, so it's doubtful I'll ever see actual combat.

Actually, we barely even train guys worth a shit anymore just because we need them out in the feild as quickly as possible. At least, that's what I hear from my friend training to do ordinance removal/destruction.

And what, pray tell, is yours? Avoiding your fifteen minutes of fame on "To Catch a Predator?"

remember the burden before you post dude...

...the tiny ship was tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew the Minnow would be lost...the Minnow would be lost..."

Zzap!

Another Whore whining about why we're here. Good.

your totally not keeping up your burden....

He's full of shit. Rob was around during DCMB lock down. I vaguely remember talking to him about my computer problems and rex and Pariah already said Rob was a goatfucker. Although honestly though, Grimm is smarter than either of them so maybe he wasn't.

Karma, Judgment and RespectKarma, The Three Fold Law, & Grace "As you sew so shall ye reap". "What goes around comes around"."Whatever you send out returns three times". These are all sayings very familiar to all of us, all of them examples of a supposedlyUniversal Law of cause and effect, action and reaction.Of course many of the religious systems try to furnish us with some sort of "escape clause" that will allow man to either alleviate suffering from past misdeeds, or to escape responsibility totally. Let us take a little closer look at these three ideas and their inter-relationship.It seems that, on one level, we do live in a mechanistic universe, one pretty much ruled by cause-and-effect. This Newtonian universe seems to react in a very mechanical fashion, i.e. every action "produces an equal and opposite reaction". A good analogy for this is the example of one billiard ball striking another. The energy from the striking billiard ball is transferred to the one struck and is used to push against the first, imparting motion in the line of it’s fire. JudgmentWe are living in a society in which everyone believes they have the right to judge others, situations, things, life, and even our Creator, for more reasons then I could ever get on this paper. We all feel completely justified in the doing so.But then someone judges us and we are hurt, wondering why, wondering where they got the right and why they just can’t accept us as we are. Well when you judge, don’t’ you stop to consider how this action makes you feel and realize that all else feels just as hurt by your judgments as you feel with theirs?Within our mental capacity, as humans, we were given the blueprints to judgment. Judgment is a very useful tool, if used correctly, in the proper places.We humans have grown a custom to using this tool in all the wrong places. This is why we have a special department in our police departments to deal with hate crimes. Judging and sentencing people for the color of their skin, race, religion, intelligence, coping skills, or lack of, stage in life, where they live, what they have, and I could go on forever. How often do we see things in life or things that others make or acquire and then decide we like or don’t like it after judging it? Our judgment may not be necessarily right at all. The person who is in ownership of this object and the next person that comes along may truly like it. Remembering that we all have the same human capacity and blueprints as to how to judge, yet what we like and dislike are completely different. In this we see clearly that our judgment is meant to be used only for personal desires and needs, not to be putting down whatever it is that we have judges not for ourselves.Judgment is meant to help us make good decisions and protect ourselves. Respect!One must give respect to one-self before it can be given to others, or even before one can be respected. Like love, respect must be the way we deal with ourselves. If we do not respect ourselves, we put out signals to other that it is ok to disrespect us, hence others will find it very hard, if not imposable to react in a respectful manner.Respect is not just action. A show of respect is not true respect it is just what it says, a show of respect! It is easy for any of us to act respectful, be respectful, or show respect, but that is exactly what we are doing. Acting like we respect each other. This is not true respect at all.When we truly respect, we send a message of positively from the right side of our brain, {the emotional center}, to our soul and our soul then send out positive emotional energy. Much in the same way we send love to one another. We think loving thoughts. Respectful thoughts can be sent the same way, and with the show as well it becomes true respect. When one only respect’s because someone demands it, there is no sincerity within and it is phony.One must give respect to others before others can give respect to them. Many people, such as authority figures, {police to criminals, judges to accused, parents to children, teachers to student, manager to staff, seem to believe, {usually due to their position in society}, others should automatically respect them but they do not have to be respectful towards the people they are demanding respect from. At best they may receive a show of respect but, actual respect is also sincere and has emotion attached. If I want someone to respect me, I must give the same respect.Since respect is universal, {in the same aspect as love is}, it has to be given to be received as all else in this universe works likewise. Respect is Sincerely:In thought, word and deed: 1. Respecting oneself and others weather you agree with whom or what they are and do. One can always give common human respect. 2. Being honest as possible, (in this world as it is total honesty is almost imposable but one should never lie to those they love regardless of the reason). 3. Being sincere and not playing head games, manipulating and cheating. Keeping ones word when given. 4. Seeing clearly another's boundaries and not crossing them, unless requested to do so. 5. Being honorable, dignified, open minded, caring and polite towards oneself and others 6. Keeping one’s word to one selves and others 7. Being able to look into others eyes when conversing or communicating in any way 8. Being open to the fact that, respect is earned and goes both ways no matter what you position within society is.Accepting others and yourself as you are.Believe in something and be loyal to this belief.And withhold not things justly due to men, nor do evil in the land, working mischief. And fear Him Who created you and (who created) the generations before (you).

awwww, I thought there was hope for me yet...

Anyhoo, hope is for pussies, hippies and filthy communists so it's all good.

And none of you have answered what kind of "end" it is you're talking about. Seriously, do I have to prepare for hell or something? perhaps even a visit to special olympi...I'm sorry...I mean the insurgency boards?

We're are dealing with BORG mentality here, Zzap. One mind, one sense of time.

I've never called rob a goatfucker. I've called him a lot of things, but never that.

Is it Denmark where pot and prostitutes are legal?

you could call him that though. I'm sure Rob is a sexual deviant of some sort

Black Mass is the name given to a ceremony supposedly celebrated during the Witches or Black Sabbath, which was a parody of the Christian Mass[citation needed]. Its main objective was the profanation of the Host, although there is no agreement among authors[who?] on how hosts were obtained or profaned; the most common idea is that they were profaned by means of some ritual related to sexual practices[citation needed]. Authors also disagree on which rites were performed during the ceremony[who?].

Some medieval writers[who?] believed that the Host was replaced by a toad, a turnip or a bit of dry flesh, but most judges and authors[who?] believed that true hosts were given by Christian priests that had made a diabolical pact to the attendants to the Sabbath to be profaned by them.

Given the modern practices of the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, which permits parishioners to receive the host in the hand, it is possible to steal a host in that manner. Though priests and Eucharistic ministers are cautioned to be on the look out for persons who do not immediately consume the host, there are usually too many parishioners at any given Mass or Communion Service to ensure that no hosts are stolen in this manner.

As it was believed that the culmination of this mass was an orgy, the term was later applied to a sexual orgy[citation needed].

In the Satanic Bible, Anton Szandor LaVey writes that "A usual assumption is that the Satanic ceremony or service is called a black mass. A black mass is not the magical ceremony practiced by Satanists. The Satanist would only employ the use of a black mass as a form of psychodrama. Furthermore, a black mass does not necessarily imply that the performers of such are Satanists. A black mass is essentially a parody on the religious service of the Roman Catholic Church, but can be loosely applied to a satire on any religious ceremony."

Contents [hide]
1 Origins and history of the Black Mass
1.1 Early Christianity
1.2 Middle Age Roman Catholic parodies and additions to the Mass
1.3 Early modern France
1.4 Late 19th Century and Early 20th Century Scholarly Interest in the Black Mass
2 The Black Mass itself
3 The Language of the Black Mass
4 References
4.1 Studies of the Black Mass
4.2 Sources
5 External links



[edit] Origins and history of the Black Mass
One recent outline of the history of the Black Mass can be found in Richard Cavendish, The Black Arts (1967), in the section on the Black Mass. Before that, an entire book was written about it, The Satanic Mass, by H.T.F. Rhodes (1954). Additionally, a detailed study was published in German (and since translated into English), by Gerhard Zacharias, The Dark God: Satan Worship and Black Masses (1964).


[edit] Early Christianity
The Rite of the Sacrifice of the Mass was developed by early Christians. As Christianity, and specifically the Roman Catholic Church, was consolidating, there were different varieties of masses practised, many of which were quite different from the Roman Catholic Rite which was eventually adopted.


[edit] Middle Age Roman Catholic parodies and additions to the Mass
In the Middle Ages, beginning with the Latin writings of the Goliards, the Roman Catholic Mass was drawn from or elaborated upon to create parodies of it for certain Church festivities. Thus, there was a mass parody called "The Feast of Asses," in which Balaam's Ass (from the Old Testament) would begin talking and saying parts of the mass. A similar parody was the Feast of Fools. Other Middle Age parodies of the Mass, also written in ecclesiastical Latin, were "drinker's masses" and "gamblers masses," which lamented the situation of drunk, gambling monks, and instead of calling to "Deus" (God), called to "Bacchus" (the God of Wine). Some of these Latin parody works are found in the medieval Latin collection of poetry, Carmina Burana, written around 1230.

Additionally, the Rite of the Mass was not completely fixed, and there were places where the priests could insert private prayers for various personal needs. As these types of personal masses spread, the institution of the Low Mass became quite common, where priests would hire their services out to perform various masses for the needs of their clients - such as blessing crops or cattle, achieving success in some enterprise, obtaining love, or cursing enemies (one way this latter was done was by inserting the enemy's name in a Mass for the dead, accompanied by burying an image of the enemy).

A further source of Middle Age involvement with parodies and alterations of the Mass, were the writings of the European witch-hunt, which saw witches as being agents of the Devil, who were described as inverting the Christian Mass and employing the stolen Host for diabolical ends[citation needed]. The witch-hunter's manual Malleus Maleficarum gives details relating to these supposed practices[citation needed].


[edit] Early modern France
The more recent players in the history of the Black Mass as we know it today, all come from France.


The Guibourg Mass by Henry de Malvost, in the book Le Satanisme et la Magie by Jules Bois, Paris, 1903.16th century Catherine de' Medici, the Queen of France, was said to have performed a Black Mass, all based on a story by Jean Bodin, in his book on witchcraft. In spite of its lurid details, there is little outside evidence to back up his story.
17th century: Catherine Monvoisin and the priest Etienne Guibourg performed "Black Masses" for Madame de Montespan, the mistress of King Louis XIV of France. Since a criminal investigation (resulting in the execution of Monvoisin and the imprisonment of Guibourg) was launched, many details of their Black Mass have come down to us. It was a typical Roman Catholic Mass, but modified according to certain formulas (some reminiscent of the Latin Sworn Book of Honorius) and featuring the King's mistress as the central altar of worship, lying naked upon the altar with the chalice on her bare stomach, and holding two black candles in each of her outsretched arms. From these images of the Guibourg mass, further developments of the Black Mass derived.
18th century: The Marquis de Sade, in many of his writings places the Host and the Mass, monks, priests, and the Pope himself, in sexual settings.
19th century: Joris-Karl Huysmans wrote the classic of French Satanism, Là-Bas (1891). This novel summarizes all of French Satanism up to that point, and describes a new version of the Black Mass, which Huysmans claimed was practised in Paris in those years. Although a work of fiction, Huysmans' description of the Black Mass remained influential simply because no other book went into as much detail. The actual text which Huysmans' satanic "priest" recites, however, is nothing more than a long diatribe in French, praising Satan as the god of reason and the opponent of Christianity. In this way, it resembles the French poetry of Charles Baudelaire (specifically, that found in Les Fleurs du mal), more than it resembles an inversion of the Roman Catholic Mass.

[edit] Late 19th Century and Early 20th Century Scholarly Interest in the Black Mass
Scholarly studies in the Black Mass relied almost thoroughly on French and Latin sources (which also came from France):

The French historian Jules Michelet was one of the first to analyze and attempt to understand the Black Mass, and wrote two chapters about it in his classic book, Satanism and Witchcraft (1862).
J G Frazer included a description of The Mass of Saint-Secaire, an unusual French legend with similarities to the Black Mass, in The Golden Bough (1890). (Frazer was recounting material already found in an 1883 French book entitled "Quatorze superstitions populaires de la Gascogne", by J. F. Bladé).
Montague Summers discussed many classic portrayals of the Black Mass in his works, with extensive quotations from the original French and Latin sources.
H. T. F. Rhodes' popular mass market book, The Satanic Mass, published in 1954, was undoubtedly a major inspiration for modern versions of the Black Mass, when they finally appeared.

[edit] The Black Mass itself
Surprising as it may seem - in spite of the huge amount of French literature discussing the Black Mass (Messe Noire) at the end of the 1800s and early 1900s - no set of written instructions for performing one, from any purported group of Satanists, turned up in writing until the 1960s, and appeared not in France, but in the United States.

A growing interest in witchcraft and satanism in the 1960s inspired the creation of two recordings, both made in 1968, and both called "Satanic Mass":

The first was a record album of readings in Satanic philosophy by the Church of Satan, called "The Satanic Mass", which contained material later to appear in their Satanic Bible (published in 1969). In spite of the title and a few phrases in Latin, this album did not deal with the Black Mass.
The second was a 13 minute recording of a full-length "Satanic Mass" made by a U.S. band called Coven. Coven's Black Mass, which was part of their stage show in 1968, was included on their 1969 record album "Witchcraft Destroys Minds and Reaps Souls", together with the full published text. The band stated that they spent a long time researching the material, and to their knowledge it was the first Black Mass published in any language.. The result was ecclectic, drawing chants and material from numerous sources, including medieval French miracle plays, such as Le Miracle de Théophile, in which one of the players sells their soul to the Devil. These chants were gleaned from books on witchcraft, popular in the 60s, notably Grillot de Givry's Witchcraft, Magic and Alchemy (originally published in France in 1929). Additionally, the recording, while using a couple of the Latin phrases the Church of Satan was already making popular, also added a substantial amount of church Latin, in the form of Gregorian chants sung by the band, to create the genuine effect of the Catholic Latin Mass being inverted and sung to Satan.
Soon after Coven created their Black Mass, the Church of Satan began creating their own Black Masses, two of which are available to the public. The first, created for the Church of Satan by Wayne West in 1970 and entitled "Missa Solemnis", was published in Michael Aquino's book The Church of Satan , and the second, entitled "Messe Noir", in Anton LaVey's 1972 book The Satanic Rituals.

All three of these early Black Masses (the one by Coven and the two by the Church of Satan) contain the Latin phrase "In nomine Domini Dei nostri Satanae Luciferi Excelsi", as well as the phrases "Rege Satanas" and "Ave Satanas" (which, incidently, are also the only three Latin phrases which appeared in the Church of Satan's 1968 recording, "The Satanic Mass"). Additionally, all three modify other Latin parts of the Roman Catholic Missal to make them into Satanic versions. The Church of Satan's two Black Masses also use the French text of the Black Mass in Huysmans' "Là-Bas" to a great extent. (West only uses the English translation, LaVey publishes also the original French). Thus, the Black Mass found in "The Satanic Rituals" is a combination of English, French, and Latin.

Finally, a writer using the pseudonym "Aubrey Melech" published, in 1986, a Black Mass entirely in Latin, entitled "Missa Niger". (This Black Mass is available on the Internet). Aubrey Melech's Black Mass contains almost exactly the same original Latin phrases as the Black Mass published by LaVey in "The Satanic Rituals". The difference is that the amount of Latin has now more than doubled, so that the entire Black Mass is in Latin.

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Missa Niger
[edit] The Language of the Black Mass
As mentioned above, the French sections that LaVey published were quotations from Huysmans' La Bas. As for the Latin of Melech and LaVey, it is based on the Roman Catholic Latin Missal, reworded so as to give it a Satanic meaning (eg. the Roman Mass starts "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti", while LaVey's version, printed in the Satanic Rituals, starts "In nomine magni dei nostri Satanas"). There are a small amount of copyist and grammatical errors (for example, "dignum" from the Mass, is once incorrectly spelled "clignum", in the printed Satanic Rituals, a result of someone not copying correctly, and confusing the "d" with "cl". Another example, also appearing once, is "laefificat" instead of "laetificat". One of the more obvious grammatical errors is "ego vos benedictio", "I bless you", which should have been "ego vos benedico"). Another grammatical peculiarity, is that throughout his version of the Mass, LaVey does not decline the name Satanas, as is typically done in Latin if the endings are used, but uses only the one form of the word regardless of the case.[1] Melech uses Satanus. "Satanas" as a name for Satan appears in some examples of Latin texts popularly associated with satanism and witchcraft, such as the middle age pact with the Devil supposedly written by Urbain Grandier. Both Black Masses end with the Latin expression "Ave, Satanas!", a reversal of a similar statement made by Jesus to Satan in the Latin Vulgate Bible, "Vade, Satanas!" (Latin Vulgate, Matthew 4:10)

A quest that started because you assholes feel the need to put down anyone who doesn't meet your standards. So no, the burden is on you. ESPECIALLY since you fucks think you are the alpha and omega of cool.

the pot is Holland, I'm not sure about prostitutes in Holland though. Here in Denmark pot is illegal, but prostitutes are legal if they do so out of their own free will.
They even have to pay taxes aswell...

There is hope.

Stop repeating the same shit about "special olympics" and all the other Rob's Brothel cliche's and that will be a step in the right direction!

but.....but.....but, the clichés are what makes this place great, they're what gives this place pizazz....or however the fuck you spell it

dude you accidentally hit the quote button!

did I?

yep, after the translation where you admitted to not thinking of anything funny...

My quest is to post here and have fun like I usually do.

Thank you.

You could do so as well and join us if you'd just stop whining.

I'd rather drink my own piss with a cyanide chaser then be like you whores.

You should go do that, oakley.

Sammitch has caved in. He's now editing things in things in our posts that aren't mistakes.

if you knew they were incorrect why did you post them?

He corrects spelling but he can't read?

Mistakes=incorrect.

Get a clue.