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Get Ready For Watchmen 2

• I understand now that this considered a pet project of Dan DiDio, SVP-Executive Editor. That he is determined to impress new bosses by building on DC’s biggest selling comic book of all time with multiple prequel comic miniseries and spinoff ongoing projects.
  
  I understand that both Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons have to be offered first refusal before any of these titles could be published. But if they don’t want to work on them themselves (and Alan Moore is never going to agree), DiDio has been sounding out people who might be willing to take on the task.
  
  While some creators are reticent, the argument goes if there are a number of Watchmen spinoff projects, any blame or shame can be spread on many shoulders. The sales are expected to be massive, whatever the hardcore fanboy reaction and such expected sales benefits will be shared amongst the creative teams.
  
  In contrast, not only would Levitz not allow any new Watchmen stories but even the video game was restricted to material in the graphic novel and film, nothing brand new was allowed to be invented. Despite differences with Moore, Levitz has held fast to the committment that the comic is the comic is the comic.
  
  It seems that this may now change.
  
  At this stage, having disowned himself of much of it, Alan Moore is likely not to care. Though we might get an eviscerating blast at some point if this all comes to pass.
  
  The most creatively-acceptable solution would be Dave Gibbons writing and drawing new Watchmen titles. But DiDio’s plans seem much larger than just one book.
  
  And of course, in those initial movie contracts with Fox, there was a clause that included sequels to a Watchmen movie.
  
  When asked, Dave Gibbons only replied “Hurm…”

The first one wasn't any good. Get over it.

This sounds pretty damn awesome.

G-man should be ashamed of himself for judging it so quickly.

-Mxy

This sounds pretty damn awesome.

G-man should be ashamed of himself for judging it so quickly.

WHOA!

you read his mind!

While they will likely never match the power and originality of the original, prequels will be fine.
Sequels, would be the biggest fuck up.

I seem to recall that, early on (ie, when the series ended), Moore had mentioned that he and Gibbons had tossed around the idea of a prequel featuring Rorshach and Nite Owl during their teamup days (he described it as a "Rosencrantz and Guilderstein are dead" sort of thing). If Gibbons wanted to take the ball and run with that I wouldn't be too terribly upset. But letting just anyone (or, worse, guys like Winnick and Loeb who seem to specialize in taking on projects that end up as shit) anywhere near this is going to be a disaster and actually threatens to undercut the brand.

I dont see that anything can ruin Watchmen.
They can do the shittiest prequels/sequels ever, but none of that will make the original worse in a true fans eyes.

If people are that worried, just dont read any of the new stuff.

Its like remakes and sequels in movies.
Did the Highlander 2 make Highlander 1 any less of a classic?
Did Stallone make the Caine version of Get Carter, any less classic?

If you were a fan of the original, there is no reason you should be any less of a fan of it at any point, no matter what DC do.

I'll break protocol and allow myself to go into full Animalman mode here.

While the intellectual property of the first Highlander movie remained intact, I'd say its brand/franchise was fucked up five ways from Friday.

I'd hate to have to listen to people associate whatever Didio comes up with-with Watchmen just because it has its name on it.

Coming soon: the prequel to Citizen Kane, where we see the sled assembled. Followed by a sequel following the various characters in their further adventures.

Oh wait, that won't happen because it would clearly be too stupid for words, and would completely miss the point of the original story.

My take on it is ... so what? Sure it was a groundbreaking graphic novel ... a generation ago. It's enjoyed an entire generation to remain venerated, holy actually, in the eyes of fanboys.. and almost no one else... Now comics have actually caught up with it, first in the worst way and later in the good. And now reading it is almost cliche as you recognize so much of it already done in other media and other books.

So while you can contextualize it and try to recall how comics WERE back in the 70's and 80's and how much of a departure and how groundbreaking Watchmen was, that time is past. So it's well on it's way to being a historical curiosity, a dead tome.

So I say, go ahead, do what you will with it. I don't mind a sequel in the slightest. At worst you'll get a Frank Miller DKR sequel where someone will go out of their way to write the crappiest comic DELIBERATELY in order to show some sort of camaraderie and honestly, unwarranted reverence and respect to what is essentially an insular masterpiece. so yea, have at it. If they want to spite DC so what? As I said twice, this whole 80's era masterpieces thing is so insular that it's laughable that people take it as if sacrilege was occurring.

then at best we could actually get a decent comic story out of it. And honestly, we're hurting for decent comic stories and new characters to have them. I'd prefer the take DC was going for after the last Crisis where they had an Earth where the Charlton heroes lived BUT they resembled the Watchmen characters. I thought that was rather brilliant and was what I've always wanted to see done, knowing Watchmen, the books origins.

But yeah, a generation of bowing before this thing as if it were the fucking bible is more than enough.

Link?

That makes the most sense from a creative standpoint. But that doesn't give the goatfucker a chance to slap the word "Watchmen" on the cover.

actually you dumb fucks... it came up in convo with whomod and he gave me permission to use it.

Where did whomod get it from?

No idea... probaly CBR.

Have you guys ever tried to come up with an original thought?

He'll get back to you on that as soon as he checks with Whomod.

I spoke with Cuntardicus regina and he seems to think the lurking he does around here is Original.

Did I have to be dropped as a child to understand what you just scribbled?

You mean you WEREN'T?

And because you're his bitch...and Tantillo's bitch...you made sure your master gave his blessing. Got it.

That seems to be the general idea of the Multiversity issue Morrison is writing, set on the Charlton earth. Which I will love, becuase I like everything ever written by Morrison.

-Mxy

i would likely judge the new watchmen books on their own merit and even if they did suck it would not take away from the original.

Eggzachery.

Fan boys are whiney cunts.

Speaking of whiney cunts:

• Alan Moore, whose tumultuous relationship with DC Comics is legendary, claims the publisher offered this week to return the rights to his most famous creation -- in exchange for a concession.
  
  “They offered me the rights to Watchmen back, if I would agree to some dopey prequels and sequels,” Moore told Underwire today. "So I just told them that if they said that 10 years ago, when I asked them for that, then yeah it might have worked. But these days I don’t want Watchmen back. Certainly, I don’t want it back under those kinds of terms."
  
  Moore, who has refused royalties from film adaptations of his work, says he no longer even has a copy of Watchmen in his house. "The comics world has lots of unpleasant connections," he tells Underwire, "when I think back over it, many of them to do with Watchmen."

I can't blame the guy for not wanting to write a sequel and I think a sequel without him (or with him, for that matter) would probably suck.

But this whole "waaahhhhh.....I can't even look at my own work anymore without thinking of how I've been fucked over by the world" shit is ridiculous. The guy wrote a comic book story for a giant corporation twenty five years ago that started as (for lack of better term) a parody of (or homage to) existing characters owned by that company and created by other people.

What part of "work for hire" didn't he understand?

There's actually a lot to the backstory that is left unsaid and there could be a story in how the world moves forward after the events of Watchmen. It'd be interesting to see at least. I hope it's either Dark Knight or Batman and Robin (an amazing sequel or something so awful there is a mocking value to it).

Yes. The problem is they're allowed computer access.

Once given that power they are free to whine to anyone anywhere in the world.

Moore is a self righteous dipshit. His original work is intact no matter what movies, tie-ins, promotions or re-writes are done. The fucking series is still there in it's entirety. You could do a series of Stan Lee's take on Watchmen and Moore's story would still be there. For being a supposed genius he acts like a dumb ass.

The funny thing if I remember Moore making that same point years ago. It was before League of Extraordinary Gentleman. He was asked what he thought of the films and their effect on his works and he related a story where Raymond Chandler was asked the same thing. He pointed at the bookshelf and said "my stories are still there and they're just fine."
He's just getting older and bitchier with age unfortunately.

That's what worshiping a sock puppet will do to you.

Let's leave rex out of this.