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so? you hate the industry, i hate the industry, we all hate the industry. (yaay!)

what are the problems with comics' current state, and what are some possible fixes?


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here we go:

prollum 1) gimmicks vs events.
there's a line, however thin, in comics that divides the gimmicks from the events.

events are beneficial. they make attempts at garnering new readers, while pleasing current readers. they're purposeful tales that advance characters and/or storylines. typically very memorable.

gimmicks are hurtful. they make attempts at garnering new readers, while pissing off current readers. they're purposeless tales that do nothing for characters and/or storylines. unfortunately very memorable.

bottom line, both aim to make a sale. but the way they go about it is completely different, and its painfully obvious.

a great example is no man's land, dc's huge and experimental, year-long batman tale of last year. it was a tremendous starting point for new readers -- almost like a brand new series. it reintroduced dozens of characters, told straight-to-the point stories, included many jump-in one-shots along the way, and at the same time continually brought along an amazingly intriguing story, that played out like a movie.

there were new artists and writers on almost every issue, giving even the creative staff chances to find something to enjoy about the book and characters.

best of all, even months, years later, there are lasting effects, that those who got to be part of that event get to enjoy, with the knowledge that "they were there."

truly a fantastic event.

then, something like joker: last laugh comes along, hoping to destroy everything NML accomplished.

and entirely pointless tale, that takes a then-overused character, and uses him even more. storylines dont make sense, characters dont hold true, very little gets done. but every book in the dcu has a tie-in, hoping to benefit in sales by featuring the joker on the cover.

the ploy was to attract new fans to books that, otherwise, would go unbought.

"oooh, the joker's in 'supergirl,' i should check it out!"

no, son, you should not.

gimmicks might get a "quick-high" in sales, but in the long run, only serve to hurt a books reputation and the fan's dignity. if you've got a "wacky" idea, at least do it right. it could only help you.


prollum 2) hot artists.
hot, not sexy.
"hot artists" need to realize that they're hot, not because they're comic gods, but because they're great artists. they're popular (and, thus, rich) because of the fans. and, thus, they OWE the fans.

j. scott campbell (my personal fav artist, btw) did 7 issues of "danger girl" in a little over 2 years. the last of his books to sell was a scrap book that was nothing more than his sketchbook of unpublished, unfinished works. ... and even THAT was delayed 2-3 times, for more than 6 months.

joe mad has done 10 or so issues of battle chases in a little over 2.5 years.

jim lee's resume includes pencilling 3 covers and a 4 page batman b/w story in the past five years.

todd mcfarlane "tells stories" now.

thats a damn shame, for every one of'em. they were/are the hope for comics, almost single handedly. if they create a book, people will buy it, crap or otherwise. its like having a star baseball player on your team -- whether the record sucks or not, people will tune in to watch.

look at the combo of loeb/mcguinness on superman. adding loeb was a beautiful move, comic fans everywhere have loved it -- but comic fans are already buying comics. adding a super hot artist like mcguinness on a book means that random passer-bys are interested in it. like it or not, art sells books much more than writing.

if those 4 above mentioned guys started putting out books regularly, they, alone, could help comics over all sales -- just those four!


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Agreed. The Our Worlds at War crossover last summer may have been meant to make a lasting effect, but I found it to be very disappointing.

Last Laugh was just a bad idea, especially considering it had to tie in to every fucking book in the DCU (The YJ book was the worst of the bunch), which understandably pissed off some of the writers who didn't want to be involved. LL should have been solely a Bat book crossover, and nothing more.


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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
[QB]here we go:

prollum 1) gimmicks vs events.
there's a line, however thin, in comics that divides the gimmicks from the events.

events are beneficial. they make attempts at garnering new readers, while pleasing current readers. they're purposeful tales that advance characters and/or storylines. typically very memorable.

gimmicks are hurtful. they make attempts at garnering new readers, while pissing off current readers. they're purposeless tales that do nothing for characters and/or storylines. unfortunately very memorable.


My problem with comics is that everything is gimmicks. Comic book companies are not doing enough to lure in readers from outside the field. The last big upswing we had in comics ciculation began after the release of the first Batman movie in 1989. DC went all out and did everything they could to pull readers into comic book stores. They published all kinds of different Batman books and comics, licensed the hell out of the character and made finally made him a hot commodity. They did a great job, until some of the other companies pissed it all down the drain with overburdening the market with too many damn gimmicks and other crap. Companies (DC was guilty of it too, but not in the extreme ways of Marvel, Valiant and Image) began to focus more on the short-term profit, and didn't plan anything for the future. Now we have a market place that is about half the size of what it was before Batman came out.

Marvel really missed the boat two years ago with the release of X-Men. They had a once in a lifetime opportunity to draw in readers, and they squandered it away. Hell, it even cost Bob Harras his job. From what I've seen of Marvel's publishing schedule for next year, it looks like they've learned their lesson and will be hammering people with Spider-Man stuff. I think that's a good thing. Anything that draws new readers in is a good thing...

I think Dark Horse really missed the boat a few years back with the release of Phantom Menace also. Sure they published a few tie-ins, but I don't think they really marketed them correctly. Why didn't they negotiate a deal with Blockbuster to get them put up at cash registers when the videos or DVD's came out? How about Best Buy or Circuit City? Chances are that if people go into buy/rent the video or DVD, and see some of the books sitting there, they may be curious and check them out. Sure, they got stuff into some of the book major book store chains, but people don't usually walk into there off of the street looking for Star Wars stuff. The ones that do, probably already are aware of the SW comics and either don't wanna waste their time on 'em, or already have them. DC sold the Batman adaption at popcorn counters in movie theaters. Can you imagine how many copies of those books are out floating around from parents who bought them at the theater to shut their kids up?

This is the kind of mass marketing that comics need to focus on if they want to expand. Sure, you can get people psyched by offering a new Alex Ross or Frank Miller project, but the only people who are gonna care are people who are already buying comic books. People who don't pay any attention to comics have no idea that this stuff is out there...


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1.Crappy Crossovers-OWAW was terrible, and it went on for-fucking-ever.

2.Lateness-Planetary, Astro City, Tom Strong, Authority, all great books that will die or have already died because of lateness(though the reason behind the lateness is usually the main issue).

3.Bringing back dead guys all the time-Sure Green Arrow was popular, but it was because of Kevin Smith. It could've been the return of the Wonder Twins and if Kevin Smith was writing it it would've sold. Once he leaves what's going to happen to this book? It's going to suck. Speaking of sucking, Deadman and Spectre are the other two latest examples of once-deadman-now-walking, and both have bombed on the charts and probably don't have long.

4.Stretching franchises to ridiculous lengths-one of the main reasons why I don't buy Gotham Knights anymore: Because the arcs always end the same way, the villain is vanquished and everyone lives happily ever after. It never does anything, it might of well never happened in the first place. Completely pointless. The same goes for LotDK, and just about all the Batman mini series. The only Bat-books that ever do anything are Detective Comics and Batman. Similar patterns are found in big franchises like Superman, Xmen, and Spiderman. There are two books that really have an actual impact, the other monthlies and one shots and mini series rarely do anything, and the countless spin offs add up till you can't take it anymore.


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Video games. We should ban them so kids will go back to reading comics again.

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