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That was a good Blondie song.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
I would have thought the same thing. However, I've notice a trend among a significant number of liberals (whomod and ray are good examples here at the board) who-as soon as McCain clinched the nomination-went from "McCain's a good guy even if I disagree with him" to "McCain is the evil GOP antichrist."

I think a large part of that is due to their cult-like devotion to the Obamessiah. Anything that stands in the way of annointing the 'chosen one' is viewed by those people as unholy.


well, i haven't been around here much, so i can't judge for sure, but i think most liberal/democrats are pretty normal and cool about their views. wednesday, MEM, pro (when he is), etc. even ray, to some extent. ray was liberal (past tense, since he is dead now) but at least could express his views like people.

with whomod... meh. while i enjoy his posts in other forums about movies or comics, in here he's a zealot. i just can't take it seriously.


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Mem is the biggest clinton apologist on the board. I think he's just as bad a whomod or adler.


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After days of intense media coverage about Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's qualifications, more than 40 million Americans tuned in Wednesday to see for themselves what they thought of her.

The huge audience for Palin's acceptance speech rivaled that for Obama's address at the Democratic National Convention six days earlier, and set a tough standard for the top of her own ticket. John McCain was to accept the GOP presidential nomination on Thursday.

The first two days of the GOP convention essentially served as a build-up for Palin. The Alaska governor hadn't spoken publicly since McCain selected her for the ticket last Friday, as a series of stories circulated questioning whether McCain had properly vetted her.

Her poised speech, primarily going after Obama and touting McCain's case for the presidency, was gushed over by many analysts.

An audience of 37.2 million people watched Palin on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and MSNBC, Nielsen Media Research said Thursday. PBS estimated its audience at 3.9 million, based on a less reliable sample of several big cities. Nielsen does not count the audience for C-SPAN, which also showed the speech.

Last week, Nielsen said 38.4 million people watched Obama speak at a Denver stadium on the six commercial networks, along with BET, TV One, Univision and Telemundo — four networks that didn't cover Palin's speech. PBS added an estimated 4 million to that total.

Nearly 2 million more women were watching Palin than men, Nielsen said.

Viewers were far more interested in Palin than Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden. Biden's speech to Democrats last week was seen by an estimated 24 million people.

The audiences for the Obama and Palin speeches were bigger than the ones this year for the Academy Awards, the finale of "American Idol" or the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing.

Nearly 120 million Americans voted in the 2004 presidential election and numbers could be higher this year because of young and minority voters attracted to Obama, and renewed enthusiasm among Republicans for their ticket.

Fox News Channel led the way Wednesday, with 9.2 million people watching Palin's speech on the cable channel. It was the third-largest audience in its history, behind only President Bush's speech on Iraq in March 2003 and a Bush-Kerry presidential debate in 2004.

For each night of the GOP convention so far, Fox's audience has been bigger than any of the other cable or broadcast networks. That duplicates a feat accomplished at the 2004 Republican convention for Fox, the first time a cable network had outdrawn broadcasters for a major news event.

NBC had 7.7 million viewers for Palin's speech, followed in order by CNN, ABC, CBS and MSNBC, Nielsen said.

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Yeah, there's obviously reasonable people on the lib side but there's also a hella lot of wacked out zealots.

You also have the mainstream media types that worshiped McCain for eight years and then, as soon as he clinched the GOP nomination, turned on him (see, e.g., the New York Times).

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MEM, are you a republican backer?

sorry if this has been covered ad naseum before, i never really visit this forum, but i've been following this thread and just wanted to ask.



No but I do like McCain. I'll probably wind up voting Obama but wouldn't feel to bad if McCain wins. Not sure about Palin, still don't really know much about her. It looks like she's a very good speaker though.


interesting.

i would think that would be the general reaction for democratic voters -- mccain seems like a relatively agreeable type, nowhere near the divisionist that dubya is (or, i feel, hillary would have been). there are policy disagreements, sure, but overall it wouldn't be that big of a "loss."


The policy disagreements are big enough where I'm not surprised. And while I'm not in love with Obama I've seen alot of really cheap shots from the usual suspects from the right as well on this board. It's going to happen no matter what from both sides no matter who's on the other guy's ticket imho.


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Yeah, but MEM, you've been pretty critical of Obama too sometimes, especially when it suited you pro-Clinton agenda.

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Yeah, but MEM, you've been pretty critical of Obama too sometimes, especially when it suited you pro-Clinton agenda.


Sure I've been critical but there's quite big difference in being critical & trying to sell "Obama is a Muslim" styled crap.


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ST. PAUL, Minn. — Until Wednesday night, many political professionals were whispering that there was a good chance that in picking Sarah Palin as his running mate John McCain had lost the election.

And some of them thought that with his last-minute, seemingly impulsive selection of a little-known and little-experienced governor he had lost his mind.

It’s as true on Thursday afternoon as it was on Wednesday that Palin is a risky pick. The public — and no doubt the McCain campaign as well — still doesn’t know what it doesn’t know about Palin, whose personal and public record in Alaska is still being raked by reporters and opposition researchers.

But in the space of one 36-minute speech by Palin, McCain proved that his choice was not a lapse into temporary (or even permanent) insanity. The speech’s political significance goes far beyond the fact that Palin showed herself capable of delivering a spirited reading of words that other people wrote.

Just as Barack Obama’s 2004 convention speech transformed his career, Palin’s speech has the potential to transform the dynamic of this race — in some ways that are obvious and some not:

• McCain is liberated

It is hard to overstate how underwhelmed most Republicans are by McCain and the current cast of GOP leaders. This was especially true of social conservatives, many of them religious evangelicals, who are most thrilled by Palin.

Now that Palin has cleared the bar — truth be told, a fairly modest one — of delivering an effective speech, McCain has much more flexibility to follow his own instincts.

He can play up reformist rhetoric and play down socially conservative ideology — the exact combination that in 2004 had some liberal commentators hoping McCain would abandon the GOP and go on the Democratic ticket.

Before Wednesday night, McCain was in big trouble when it comes to mobilizing conservative faithful. Now, Palin can help the party organize and turn out the same base of Christian evangelicals, Second Amendment supporters and abortion-rights opponents that proved instrumental to the back-to-back George W. Bush victories.

Before Wednesday night, McCain had little room for error with the right. They measured every word and made him pay for straying too far on the issues they care most about. Now, McCain can stretch and twist like a yoga instructor.

The key to watch in Thursday night’s acceptance speech is how McCain uses this new freedom —particularly his newfound ability to put even more distance between himself and a deeply unpopular president. It was no accident that the immediate response to Palin’s speech from the Obama campaign was to try to link her and McCain back to Bush.

• A competing storyline

Palin hasn’t seen the last of stories looking for contradictions or flaws in her record, or suggesting that her accomplishments or intellect are as substantial as a souffle.

But by presenting an engaging side of herself and her family, she ensured that those stories, written mainly by political and investigative reporters, will be countered by other stories written mainly by lifestyle reporters.

People magazine reporters and bookers for "The View" and "Oprah" will be watching Palin with a lot more interest than they will be watching Joe Biden. In Palin's own way, her story and rapid rise are as arresting to the mass audience as Obama’s.

And many voters in these big audiences likely will swoon for a telegenic hockey mom who eats moose she kills herself. You can’t make this stuff up. Her story is made for TV, glossy mags and the big screen.

A mother of five with a pregnant daughter. A ruggedly handsome husband who drills oil and races snowmobiles. She hunts. She fishes. She runs.

She is now a curiosity in a good way. That means big crowds at events and attention from people who otherwise might have ignored a more traditional ticket of two, old, rich, white Republican men who promise to kill terrorists and cut taxes.

None of this proves she understands the complexities of world threats or can endure the stress of office. But she at least gets more time to make her case. Before Wednesday night, she was only one or two news cycles away from irretrievably losing control of her public image.

• The hatchet man wears a skirt

Palin’s speech was a jackhammer of partisan shots and sarcastic digs. That is the traditional role of vice presidential nominees. But she performed that role with a smile and folksy humor, coming off like a younger, Republican version of the late Texas Gov. Ann Richards.

McCain needs Palin to tear into Obama and Biden in speeches, debates and media appearances. She showed she can do it, at least when given time to prep.

It remains to be seen how effective she can be in more improvisational settings. Biden has weathered national campaigns and controversies; she has not. Biden has traveled the world, mixed it up with tough foreign leaders and mastered the complexities of global threats; she has not. Biden has studied virtually every national issue and debated them; she has not.

But she has shown a willingness and talent for tough talk. And it will be harder than usual for Democrats to attack back. Republicans will charge sexism at every turn. They will call women to her side to amplify their case. They will shame the media. Many of these complaints will be unfair — but some of it will probably be effective.

• Republicans can play identity group politics too

This brand of politics — voters who support a candidate not because of what that person has done in public life but because of the symbolism of the candidate's personal story — is a big part of why Obama is the Democratic nominee. With Palin, the GOP showed that it, too, can play this game.

Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader, told us this week that his wife, who is even more conservative than he is, doesn’t think much of McCain. But she loves Palin, perhaps enough to get her to now back the GOP ticket. He said he was astonished how Palin has woken “the sleeping giant: Republican women.”

It is the talk of the hallways, in the convention and nationwide. Women, especially Republican women, were thrilled by the Palin speech. Already, the campaign is reporting a huge surge in fundraising. The bigger question is whether this will translate into a huge surge at the polls. Republicans get clobbered in national elections when it comes to the women’s vote. One way to narrow the gender gap is to juice turnout among your own people. Palin could do that. Another way is to juice turnout among female swing voters.

That’s still a tall order for Palin, but not the laughable one it was before Wednesday night.




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Jann Wenner the publisher also runs Men's Health another mag I get which is going to get canceled later.


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Not to get off on a tangent but this is why Campaign finance Reform is bullshit.

It's supposed to keep "money out of politics," but you have millionaire assholes who openly use their media companies to give their preferred candidates free ad space.


Case in point....

Oprah Not a Palin Fan? She introduced Obama to America's women voters, but the queen of talk reportedly is balking at doing same for Palin.

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if i'm remembering correctly, from the one class i attended once in college, when a candidate becomes the official candidate, all of their media time must be balanced out by the opposing candidate. ...i think. so, if any of that is right, that'd mean if oprah had obama on her show now, since he formally accepted the position in the race, she'd also have to have mccain on (or at least someone from that network)

...i think.


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I just canceled our subscription for US Weekly. Look at the shit that they are doing this week.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/03/...ts-a-cake-walk/


US Weekly is reportedly losing subscribers because of its "Babies, Lies and Scandal" cover story about Sarah Palin:

  • Us Weekly, which unlike People and OK!, chose a rather caustic cover line (“Babies, Lies and Scandal”) is said to have lost thousands of subscribers in just the first 24 hours following the printing of the issue.

    When Us went to print Monday night, it looked like the ticket was falling apart," says one magazine editor. "They went to print thinking Palin was dead in the water, and their mistake was thinking everyone who reads Us is a Democrat, when they're not. Readers are loyal, but the base of a political party is more loyal.



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Politics aside any magazine that wants to talk scandal about a minor, especially one who herself is not a public figure is a piece of shit rag anyways.

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Media dilemma over Enquirer’s ‘Sarah Palin affair’ allegation

The American media has been quick to caricature John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin as a gun-toting, anti-abortionist, creationist redneck, and pounced on the news that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter Bristol was pregnant. But how will the US media big guns handle the latest, more serious allegation - that Sarah Palin had an affair with her husband's business partner? The situation is particularly delicate since the allegation has been made by the notorious supermarket tabloid, the National Enquirer.



Senior McCain adviser Steve Schmidt said yesterday, "The allegations contained on the cover of the National Enquirer insinuating that Governor Palin had an extramarital affair are categorically false. It is a vicious lie... The American people will reject it."

Two months ago, he might have been able to make that assumption with confidence. He might also have been able to count on the mainstream media treating the National Enquirer with its habitual disdain. That was what happened when the Enquirer reported that the former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards had had an affair with a videographer, Rielle Hunter. Newspapers and TV channels ignored the story, happy to concur that the tabloid report was fabricated nonsense.

But the Enquirer kept pushing, eventually running Edwards to ground with his former mistress in a hotel rendezvous in Los Angeles. Edwards was forced to admit an extramarital affair and was disinvited from the recent Demoratic convention.

The main argument against the Enquirer's tactics down the years has been its use of unnamed, paid sources. But it was exactly these methods that led to the Edwards scoop. With John McCain's team issuing threats of legal action over the Palin affair allegation, the rest of the US media now face a conundrum: do they follow up a potential scandal and risk a lawsuit, or ignore a possibly explosive story 'broken' by a publication that has recently gained credibility?

The Enquirer, for its part, appears to be enjoying trying on its newly purchased cloak of respectability. In response to Schmidt's denials, the tabloid said: "Following our John Edwards exclusives, our political reporting has obviously proven to be more detail-oriented than the McCain campaign's vetting process. Despite the McCain camp's attempts to control press coverage they find unfavorable, the Enquirer will continue to pursue news on both sides of the political spectrum." Watch this space.


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 Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
if i'm remembering correctly, from the one class i attended once in college, when a candidate becomes the official candidate, all of their media time must be balanced out by the opposing candidate. ...i think. so, if any of that is right, that'd mean if oprah had obama on her show now, since he formally accepted the position in the race, she'd also have to have mccain on (or at least someone from that network)

...i think.

That's incorrect. The Equal-Time rule works station by station, not show by show.

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i threw in the "network" parentheticality!


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Just because it's in the Enquirer doesn't make it false, as the John Edwards story proved.

However, I don't recall whomod being particularly critical of Edwards. But maybe that's because all Edwards did was cheat on a woman dying of cancer.

Hell, if you ask whomod, that made Johnny Boy practically a widower anyway.

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I can see why McCain thinks he and Palin are soul mates.

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McCAIN'S CHEATIN' HEART

While Republican Presidential candidate John McCain's been ducking reported infidelity claims, there's no denying his cheatin' ways with first wife, Carol - the woman who waited for him when he was a P.O.W.

McCain met Carol, a former swimsuit model, when he was attending Annapolis during the 1950s. At the time, she was married to another cadet with whom she had two children.

After being freed by the Viet Cong, McCain discovered Carol had been disfigured in a serious car accident.

"When he saw Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her," Ted Sampley, a Special Forces Viet Nam vet and McCain pal said.

"Eventually, he met Cindy, and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy."

The ex-Mrs. McCain, Carol, now 70, evidently has no complaints.

According to the Britain's Mail, Johnny Mac agreed to pay for Carol's medical care for the rest of her life -- in exchange for a divorce.


And i'm glad The Enquirer decided to recount this common knowledge story again. It may be common knowledge but not to the low info voters who read the Enquirer though....

McCain's cheating heart. Irrefutable.

Ok, this is pretty funny and a bit creepy.

John McCain's Wandering Eyes (New Video)



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And here's some of my favorite captions posted by viewers of the first version of the video:

* Awkward.
* "As long as I have this ring on, no one can see me...right?"
* McCain had actually been eyeing Palin for a while
* John McCain's 'Rove'-ing Eyes
* He's looking at her . . . podium! Yeah, that's it! He's checking out her podium!
* Nice shoes!
* I guess this brings a whole new meaning to "vice" president.
* "I wanna DRILL HERE, and I WANNA DRILL NOW!"
* Careful Sarah! He might take you to Sturgis!



And so Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a blessed event now according to the spin meisters of the far right? So what would happen if it was one of the Obama girls who were 16 and pregnant and unwed? Eh?

Would O'Reilley bloviate about how irresponsible and a bad mother Michelle Obama is and how her family is a disaster? Most likely. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the right.

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Here's whomod back on 03/19/04 03:14 AM:

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I've mentioned my admiration and support of McCain several times in the past. And it really has little to do with his views or political positions (many of which I disagree with) but with his character.

With McCain, I sense a genuine integrity about the man. And his brand of Republicanism I see as political and not the quasi-religious fanaticism of the neocons who are positive they know everything there is to know about an issue and the only work is to try to force all data to support their conclusions.

I can see McCain working with the Democrats, i can see him working with our allies rather than belittling and bullying his way to his goals. And I can see him admiting errors, I can see him changing his opinions rather than trying to change the facts to suit him and I can see him give as well as take. In other words, i see a leader.


And, again, on 03/25/04 06:19 AM

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Now if you ran ...John McCain, i'd be running over to GOP campaign headquarters shouting HURRAH! an honest Republican ticket!!


And, more recently, on 01/17/08 04:51 AM:
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South Carolina is known for its dirty politics and no one knows more about that than Senator John McCain. He suffered despicable personal attacks ...It's despicable that this sort of thing happens to anyone. Especially someone like John MCain who served honorably and suffered for his country. It's just endemic of this attitude that opponents must be destroyed at all costs.


Now, with McCain all but the official Republican candidate for president, what does our friend whomod think of the good Senator now?

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The outright lies that were told by the Republican candidates during the Florida debate was astounding to me. McCain might have been the worst offender


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McCain had an inappropriate relationship with a lobbyist that may have been adulterous AND may have influenced decisions on chairs that he led in the Senate...some right wingers are up in arms over it?


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What a damaging week for the McCain campaign, huh? His three most “attractive” selling points — campaign finance reform, fierce anti-lobbyist stance, and support for the Glorious surge — are crumbling around him...Saint McCain’s not even the nominee yet and his three strongest legs have been taken out in a matter of 72 hours. Should make for a fun 8 months.


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If the past 7 years taught us anything is that lies and malfeasance is something the conservative base has no problem with and even rewards.


 Originally Posted By: whomod
...trying to defend MccAIN because of past admiration is like trying to defend the BTK killer


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John McCain poses as a reformer but he seems to think reforms apply to everyone else but him… His latest attempt to ignore the law is just more of his do as I say, not as I do hypocrisy and it calls his credibility into question.


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It's time to wrap up this nomination battle so we can start running against McCain.


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McCAIN'S CHEATIN' HEART
Gotta love the hypocrisy..


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Man, what a difference being a Republican nominee makes.

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G-man seems to be a one trick pony.

Unfortunately that's the same trick John McCain himself is using to pawn himself off to moderate voter after whoring himself to Bush and the far right these past 2 years.

Good luck with it G-Man. It's your party's last hope.

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 Originally Posted By: whomod
G-man seems to be a one trick pony.



One day you and g-man are going to realize you are the same person.


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Shit, this isn't gonna be some Fight Clubesque reveal, is it?


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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I'm dreading its gonna be like that but more homoerotic.


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Only whomod would try to tear down a national hero by quoting the National Enquirer, whomod what is your take on the BatBoy is he a tool of the Republican neocons? Also the chupacabra, is it an agent of change?

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
Only whomod would try to tear down a national hero by quoting the National Enquirer, whomod what is your take on the BatBoy is he a tool of the Republican neocons? Also the chupacabra, is it an agent of change?





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Bat-Boy Persecuted By GOP Becasue Of Obama Endorsement




Loveable Mutant, Bat-Boy was chased today by police attempting to arrest him on orders from the GOP. Apparently after his stunning endorsement today, GW Bush pulled over 100 from guarding the exits from New Orleans to pursue him.





Well, well, well it looks like the GOP's true colors show again!

I'm busy babysitting Zzap's kids this weekend but I'll be back later to post a link to the true story of John McCain being "shot down" in Vietnam, according to my sources at the National Enquirer he was smuggling Gremlins into Vietnamese sweat shops!

There's your war hero!



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20 years, millions of scapegoats, and hundreds of denials later(but they sure looked cool)
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The Weekly World News got it wrong. Batboy wasn't being chased because of his Obama endorsement. He was being stopped before he could leave New Orleans with a car load of black people.

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 Originally Posted By: whomod
G-man seems to be a one trick pony.


whomod, your own statements destroy you far better than I could.

Less than a year ago, when you assumed he wouldn't be the GOP nominee, you decried "despicable" personal attacks on McCain:

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It's despicable that this sort of thing happens to anyone. Especially someone like John MCain who served honorably and suffered for his country. It's just endemic of this attitude that opponents must be destroyed at all costs.


Now, here you are, not eight months later, quoting from the tabloids and attacking McCain over his personal life...all in an attempt to destroy Obama's opponent "at all costs."

Your own words define you as "despicable." How could I top that and why should I try?


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