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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
More bad news for Palin...
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LEVI VS. SARAH PALIN BATTLE CONTINUES
July 4, 2009 --
THE battle between Levi Johnston (above) and Sarah Palin isn't over yet. Johnston -- best known for impregnating the former vice-presidential candidate's daughter, Bristol -- "is shopping a book," his bodyguard/publicist, Tank, tells New York magazine. And it seems the book will focus on the Wasilla, Alaska, political family. "There are still many untold stories about the Palins," he said. Until the tell-all is released, though, Johnston is considering "a leading role" in a movie and a possible upcoming TV "docu-drama."


or maybe a tell all book about the Palins is actually a good thing for them. What does basams think?
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also since you at a loss for links, heres a link to the story you posted:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/04/levi-johnston-planning-on_n_225691.html


the same site that made fun of her baby earlier today. if thats all you got, your in trouble.....

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back the discussion, why do you think the liberals notably the Huffington post worry about her so much if they believe her career is dead?

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/07/kristol_a_contrarian_take_1.asp

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If Palin wants to run in 2012, why not do exactly what she announced today? It's an enormous gamble - but it could be a shrewd one.

After all, she's freeing herself from the duties of the governorship. Now she can do her book, give speeches, travel the country and the world, campaign for others, meet people, get more educated on the issues - and without being criticized for neglecting her duties in Alaska. I suppose she'll take a hit for leaving the governorship early - but how much of one? She's probably accomplished most of what she was going to get done as governor, and is leaving a sympatico lieutenant governor in charge.

And haven't conservatives been lamenting the lack of a national leader? Well, now she'll try to be that. She may not succeed. Everything rests on her talents, and on her performance. She'll be under intense and hostile scrutiny, and she'll have to perform well.

All in all, it's going to be a high-wire act. The odds are against her pulling it off. But I wouldn't bet against it.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
you forgot the link to the Republican parties statement. Surely you werent talking out your ass again?


Err that was something you came up with. My post...
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She had a big leadership position and quit using reasons that don't even make sense to her party.

Beyond your invention there isn't a republican party's statement but there are various responses by party members that don't understand the lame duck reasoning she gave. It's because it just doesn't make sense. After all any elected office she would theoretically hold would likely end in the lame duck status. So using her reasoning she would just quit if in that situation. Not a draw for most voters beyond Palin worshippers.


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this is refreshing, we finally have a breakthrough you admitted you were wrong! mark it down!

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
this is refreshing, we finally have a breakthrough you admitted you were wrong! mark it down!


I'll just take it that you're done with any semblance of being rational about this.


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you admitted that your statement was false, some fellow members questioned her but not her party. it sucks to be caught red handed lying, but youll survive.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
you admitted that your statement was false, some fellow members questioned her but not her party. it sucks to be caught red handed lying, but youll survive.


You're statement was false but I still stand by what I posted. You even just posted one by Kristol who is one of the biggest GOP cheerleaders calling Palin's decision "an enormous gamble". This is a guy who is used to spinning bad decisions for the GOP and even he's willing to let a bit of reallity seep in. Quitting for the family or an attempt to avoid some of a scandal's impact makes some sense but who out there is actually calling it a good political move?


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So youre admitting again you lied and contesting that you lied? Does confusion run through all aspects of your life?

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Top Republicans puzzled by Palin's abrupt resignation
By Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY
Sarah Palin has no intention of retiring from public life, the soon-to-be ex-Alaska governor's spokeswoman said Sunday, but top Republicans are expressing befuddlement at the decision by one of the party's leading presidential prospects to give up her job.

"It's astounding," Sen. Chuck Grassley, an Iowa Republican said on CBS' Face the Nation. Grassley, whose state holds the crucial first contest of the presidential campaign, said he would welcome a Palin presidential candidacy but thought it might now be harder to launch.

"I would think, if you want to run for president — and I'm not sure that's got anything to do with what she's doing — that the forum of a governorship would be a better forum than just being a private citizen," Grassley said.

Meghan Stapleton, the governor's communications director, told USA TODAY in a phone interview that she expects Palin to remain active as a speaker and campaigner. "I am listening to options for her," she said. Palin's also working to complete memoirs due out next spring.

"She doesn't have a next step decided yet," Stapleton said. "We will just have to wait for history."

Palin, who last year became the Republican Party's first female vice presidential nominee, announced plans to step aside as governor at a hastily organized holiday news conference Friday, citing the toll that her national notoriety has taken on her state, her family and her finances.

But in a Facebook posting the next day, Palin said she wants to "help our nation achieve greatness" by advancing a platform of energy independence, smaller government and enhanced national security.

Over the weekend, Palin moved aggressively to squelch rumors that her surprise decision might have darker motivations. She posted links on her Twitter account to a Los Angeles Times article quoting FBI officials saying that she is not under investigation. Her lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, threatened legal action against reporters and bloggers who suggest any wrongdoing by Palin or her husband, Todd.

Last year's Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, issued a statement expressing "the greatest respect and affection" for his former running mate, and a hope that "she will continue to play an important leadership role in the Republican Party."

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said he'll seek Palin's help this fall for GOP gubernatorial candidates Bob McDonnell in Virginia and Chris Christie in New Jersey.

Other party leaders were not so enthused. Karl Rove, former political adviser to President George W. Bush, said on Fox News Sunday that he and other GOP strategists are "perplexed" by Palin's bombshell. Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, another potential 2012 Republican presidential contender, called Palin's strategy "risky."

Even so, SarahPAC, Palin's political action committee, enjoyed a surge of contributions after the governor's announcement, Stapleton said.

Her decision caught many members of her own party flat-footed. "I didn't find out until a newspaper called," said state Rep. Wes Keller, a Palin ally. U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski— whose father, former Alaska governor Frank Murkowski, lost the GOP primary to Palin in 2006 — accused Palin of having "decided to abandon the state and her constituents."

Palin's resignation becomes official July 26. She will be succeeded by Alaska's lieutenant governor, Sean Parnell, a Republican.

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GOP Leaders Confused, as Palin Tweets On

By JOHN HENDREN and KRISTINA WONG
WASHINGTON, July 5, 2009

Republican leaders say they're just -mailShare this story with friendsBuzz Up!as baffled as everyone else by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's sudden resignation, announced outside her home in Wasilla last Friday.

What does the resignation of the Alaska Governor mean for her career?

More PhotosKarl Rove said today that GOP leaders were "a little perplexed" and Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said it was "astounding."

Several prominent Republicans have also questioned whether the 2008 vice presidential candidate was setting up an unconventional presidential run. But they questioned how stepping down now would help her in three years.
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The bottom line is that some Republicans think this was a smart move and others disagree.

At this point, I'm inclined to go with the ones who think it was a mistake if she plans to run for President. However, if within the next week or so she announces that she's running for the Senate or plans to go head the RNC (with or in place of Michael Steele) then I think it was a smart move.

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I'm banking on her running for senate.

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I must say, I'm disappointed.

Sarah Palin was never my top choice. But I felt she could fill out a ticket as V.P., or take some other cabinet position in another Republican's administration, the best-fitting job I think would have been energy secretary. Then she could gradually build up her credibility and run for President in 8 or 12 years.

But THIS move...

To me she just "Ross Perot"-ed herself. Perot was a credible candidate until he couldn't seem to commit to running. And if elected now as President, I could see her saying early on: "Welp, this just isn't for me..." and resigning.
I want a candidate who can commit. She could have just stuck it out for another 18 months as Alaska governor and completed one term, and then she'd have credibility for what she accomplished in her term.

The second thing that's unappealing about her resignation is that she looks weak, and resigned because she couldn't take the heat of political/personal attacks.
I certainly think she was treated unfairly, but, again, she only had to endure it for another 18 months. And she'll still be the butt of an endless stream of harassment lawsuits and late-night jokes regardless. So why not go out in 18 months standing tall ? Her decision makes no sense to me.

For me, it damages her stock.

Again, I like her, but I'm disappointed.
And regardless, Romney was always my first choice anyway. I could picture a Romney-Petraeus ticket in 2012 that could still blow away anything the Democrats could come up with.

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I'm banking on her running for senate.


That's another position where she could prove herself, and add further credibility and experience to her resume.

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
(citing RAW Story) Rumors fly about Palin’s ‘iceberg scandal’...BradBlog now suggests that Palin’s resignation was due to an upcoming Federal indictment for embezzlement....Palin is a wildly unethical public official, guilty at a minimum of numerous instances of abusing her authority as governor.....Granted this seems to be all internet rumor but I just can't see Palin just resigning without some type of reason that is essentially forcing her to do this.


Sarah Palin not under FBI investigation, agency spokesman says

Okay, can you please stop pretending RAW Story is a legitimate news source now?

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
back the discussion, why do you think the liberals notably the Huffington post worry about her so much if they believe her career is dead?


I just caught up on your comments, BSAMS.

And you make a good point, that if the left/media weren't concerned about Palin, they wouldn't continue to go after her, and far beyond that, really extend themselves and their credibility to trash her.

My instinct is what I said above.

But Sarah Palin is also still the most popular Republican out there (more popular than my own choice of Romney). And it's precisely her un-conventionalness and candid manner that make her popular with many.

Even some in the liberal media acknowledge this.
Borrowing from Dan Baltz of the Washington Post:


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Their reasoning followed conventional assumptions about what it takes to mount a national campaign -- that, in surrendering the governor's office in Alaska and ending her brief tenure in statewide office, she leaves behind a thin record on which to base a national bid.

Yet it has been obvious that Alaska is a difficult place from which to participate in the national debate, both because of its physical distance from the rest of the United States and because of its culture and identity. Freed of the constraints of her office, Palin could become a more engaged participant in the national debate.

"My contrarian take is, almost everyone I talk to thinks it's crazy, but I wonder maybe it's crazy like a fox," said Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, who has been defending Palin this past week.

Kristol's view is that spending another 18 months in office in Alaska will not convince skeptics that Palin is ready to be president. Instead, he said, she can use this time to travel the country and the world, to immerse herself in policy issues and to campaign for Republican candidates, without facing questions every time she leaves the state about whether she is shirking her responsibilities.

"It's a heck of a gamble, but it might pay off," Kristol said.

Few who have watched Palin doubt her ability to attract attention, command a following and make herself a force, should she choose to run for president. Democratic and Republican strategists agree that she has charisma and a personality that connects with people.

"The skills she has are formidable and unteachable," Mark Salter, who was one of McCain's top advisers, said after he heard the news of her resignation.



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All of that may mean little to the supporters who flocked to Palin during the presidential campaign and who remain loyal to her. She had far more appeal than McCain last year and drew far bigger crowds than he ever could. How they will see yesterday's announcement is not known, but they have tended to be both protective and forgiving of Palin as she has charted her unusual course through national politics.

A Republican strategist who got to know her over the past year, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to offer a candid opinion, said this: "She has a base in the party that's motivated like no one else's, and this decision won't bother them. I don't know if she'll run. I don't know if she could win if she ran. But I'm sure she has a shot.

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I know MEM will take this as an Obama bashing but seriously, can anyone judge a good political strategy for the White House after his win? He was a guy with an Isamic name, attended a racially charged church, and his biggest claim to fame was being Oprah's pal. Conventional wisdom is on it's ear. After his win no one can honestly say their is a formula for winning the White house.

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Palin has shook the liberal press to it's core:

http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2009/20090703090551.aspx

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Sarah Palin's “bombshell” holiday announcement that she will resign as Governor of Alaska managed to trump Michael Jackson as the lead on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts Friday night as NBC's Chuck Todd predicted she will now make fundraising appearances for GOP candidates where she'll draw in “car-wreck watchers.” CBS reporter Nancy Cordes reflected the tone of the stories when she described “a rambling, at times confusing announcement,” while on all three newscasts Palin's decision was called “bizarre.”

NBC News White House reporter Chuck Todd, who suggested she decided to quit so she could “make a lot of money” on the speaking circuit free of ethics complaint hassles, also predicted she will bring in big crowds at fundraisers for GOP candidates which will also entice those not so impressed by her:

She may spend the next year campaigning for Republicans all across the country. She's probably going to be the person that can attract the largest crowds, some of it is car-wreck watchers -- you know, they just are coming, kind of curiosity-seekers. It doesn't matter. She can attract a lot of people.

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Before Todd, NBC reporter Peter Alexander applied the “bizarre” label: “It was just the latest bizarre twist for the self-described maverick...”

ABC and CBS reporters refrained from using that description themselves and left it to others in their July 3 coverage. In the World News story by David Wright, ABC's own Cokie Roberts maintained:

It's mystifying. It was a bizarre statement. It didn't make a lot of sense and it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing someone would do if someone was running for President.

On the CBS Evening News, in the piece from Nancy Cordes, the Politico's Mike Allen, a veteran of Time magazine, declared:

This is very unusual, even bizarre. Governors just don't stop in the middle of their terms when there's no clear reason.

Following Cordes, CBS News political analyst John Dickerson, also a veteran of Time, told fill-in anchor Maggie Rodriguez:

It's bizarre and there's no good explanation. And if she were trying to do away with the kind of speculation that she says has so irritated her, this not the way to do it.

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heh, they have no idea what to do.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
I know MEM will take this as an Obama bashing but seriously, can anyone judge a good political strategy for the White House after his win? He was a guy with an Isamic name, attended a racially charged church, and his biggest claim to fame was being Oprah's pal. Conventional wisdom is on it's ear. After his win no one can honestly say their is a formula for winning the White house.


I don't see that as Obama bashing. His resume was thin. However Palin's resume isn't just thin, she also just up and quit a major office. Perhaps the gop could stick her in as head of the RNC but she won't be able to win a senate seat.


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Obama didn't even do any work in his major office before pursuing presidency.

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Obama didn't even do any work in his major office before pursuing presidency.


That's different than quitting a major office without good reason. That's part of her record now.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man

I don't see that as Obama bashing. His resume was thin. However Palin's resume isn't just thin, she also just up and quit a major office. Perhaps the gop could stick her in as head of the RNC but she won't be able to win a senate seat.


Your point is well taken. However, given that Senate seats have been won by a former First Lady who never held political office and a comedian with a failed radio show, I wouldn't assume Palin's chances for the Senate are that grim.

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I don't see that as Obama bashing. His resume was thin. However Palin's resume isn't just thin, she also just up and quit a major office. Perhaps the gop could stick her in as head of the RNC but she won't be able to win a senate seat.


Your point is well taken. However, given that Senate seats have been won by a former First Lady who never held political office and a comedian with a failed radio show, I wouldn't assume Palin's chances for the Senate are that grim.


I suppose anything is possible but quitting in the manner Palin did isn't comparable to your democrat examples. People from both parties have won major political offices without holding prior smaller elected offices prior. (Bush jr.) There is a long history of that but not this. The closest I can think of is Rudy who had a serious illness at the time. The lame duck explanation Palin gave was just lame.


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I know MEM will take this as an Obama bashing but seriously, can anyone judge a good political strategy for the White House after his win? He was a guy with an Isamic name, attended a racially charged church, and his biggest claim to fame was being Oprah's pal. Conventional wisdom is on it's ear. After his win no one can honestly say their is a formula for winning the White house.


I don't see that as Obama bashing. His resume was thin. However Palin's resume isn't just thin, she also just up and quit a major office. Perhaps the gop could stick her in as head of the RNC but she won't be able to win a senate seat.


again I think its premature to say there is any path that must be followed. I wasnt just talking Obama's thin resume, as a whle he broke every bit of conventional wisdom, so to say a Senate seat is needed might not be the case.

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According to the nationwide poll, close to 67% of Republicans want Palin to be "a major national political figure" in the future. And 71% of them say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

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"To political pros [Palin's resignation] may be a problem. To the base, I'm not sure it's a problem at all," Bennett told CNN.

And Bennett may be exactly right. Just as Republicans as a whole are unfazed by Palin's move, the poll shows Democrats and Independents are as unhappy with her as they were before, with 75% of Democrats and 55% of independents preferring she leave the national stage altogether.

According to USA TODAY, public opinion of Palin has become so polarized that her surprise announcement did little to change anyone's feelings: Seven out of 10 people say their views weren’t affected at all.


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It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Maybe the Republicans have found their Obama.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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Palin's a closet Muslim socialist who hates America?

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She's writing a book with an anti-American Jew hater?


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She's writing a book with an anti-American Jew hater?


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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You're ripping off my insults now? Has everyone here just given up?


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Just seeing if you're 'fun rex' or 'bitter rex' today.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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I'm always bitter rex. Just less so today.


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 Originally Posted By: thedoctor
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl435
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According to the nationwide poll, close to 67% of Republicans want Palin to be "a major national political figure" in the future. And 71% of them say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

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"To political pros [Palin's resignation] may be a problem. To the base, I'm not sure it's a problem at all," Bennett told CNN.

And Bennett may be exactly right. Just as Republicans as a whole are unfazed by Palin's move, the poll shows Democrats and Independents are as unhappy with her as they were before, with 75% of Democrats and 55% of independents preferring she leave the national stage altogether.

According to USA TODAY, public opinion of Palin has become so polarized that her surprise announcement did little to change anyone's feelings: Seven out of 10 people say their views weren’t affected at all.


This indicates more elected republicans should follow Palin's lead and quit their office


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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/09/palin-does-right-thing/

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Everyone -- especially those in the political pundit class seems to be calling Sarah Palin a loser, a quitter, a committer of political suicide by leaving office mid-term.

They are all very wrong.

What's being missed is that the usual political calculations simply do not apply to Sarah Palin, one of the most unusual public figures to come along in years.

With this decision and this announcement, Sarah Palin has been absolutely true to herself. Long-term, this will translate to a success that will leave most political pundits in the dust.

Why?

The pundit class is basing their analysis on calculations of the past (i.e., people who got elected president didn't quit as governor) and on the assumption that Sarah Palin made a political calculation in resigning.

They are simply not seeing either Sarah Palin for who she is, or what truly matters to the millions who support her, and they can't compute that there were no political calculations involved.

Her decision was one with her brand for two main reasons:

1) She's practical and holds government to the same standard. This means that when she was watching millions being spent on what seems to amount to frivolous investigations against her, she couldn't stand by and watch the money be wasted. Not only was she being hamstrung in her job, but dollars were being thrown out the window. Her frustration over this waste showed at her press conference. Not only does this point back to the sincerity of her brand and reinforce that she actually cares about every taxpayer dollar, but it puts her "quitting" in a different light -- by stepping aside and risking hurting her political career, she is actually saving Alaska money (one of her core promises she made to the people of that state).

2) She embodies family values and put them first. For the political class, a family is often an accessory, but even so, families are semi-sacred ground for the media, that is except for Sarah Palin's. By any reasonable standard, her family was dragged through the mud. The wife and mother making the announcement on July 3 was someone who could not and would not bear any more. She made a choice that came out of the deepest part of herself (her core brand) -- no wonder the political class was left scratching its collective head. They hadn't taken her claims of loving her family seriously. But the wives and mothers who make up Palin's supporters got it.

Fact is, as Stanley Fish over at The New York Times pointed out: if you just listened to what Palin said at her press conference, you'd understand that this was not someone making a traditional political calculation. This was someone being real about her choices and her pain.

And that's why Sarah Palin has just strengthened herself for the long run (if she ever chooses a political future). She wasn't erratic at all; she was true to the things she believes in.

Just look at her latest interview with the Associated Press:

You would be amazed at how much time and resource my staff and I, the Department of Law especially, spend on this every day. It is a waste. We are spending these millions of dollars not on teachers and troopers and roads or fish research and other things that are needed in Alaska."

She's a woman who means what she says and does what she believes. But the pundits simply aren't listening.

So let the pundits piece this out over the months and years ahead, but one thing is already clear: her base is still with her, and Sarah Palin is poised to grow.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
.... her base is still with her, and Sarah Palin is poised to grow.


Palin certainly does have her worshippers that have hung onto her but I doubt her platform of quitting and complaining about it is going to help get her elected to another office.


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i think your bitter post is proof the liberals are scared.

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