Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: The Bastard
dave...i don't think it's necessary to mention all the dog whistles that trump and others use to jin up the that segment of the population that hate obama for reasons other than just his policies.


Y'know... I think if you make an allegation like this, you have an obligation to make clear that it couldn't possibly be any other reason than racism toward Obama.
And I would argue that many of the same people who would not support, or more precisely despise what Obama is doing, would support Colin Powell or Herman Cain or J.C.Watts or Clarence Thomas or Allen West. Myself included.

So it is clearly about 1.6 trillion in debt this year, weak foreign policy, and his relationships with people like Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Jeff Jones, Andy Stern, Van Jones, etc., and clearly not about race.

I'm not saying there isn't a tiny fringe out there who are truly racist. But I fail to see any evidence at all that hostility toward Obama for the overwwhelming majority is about anything other than his policy and radical left history.

So I disagree with you.


 Originally Posted By: The BASTARD

fact is this: trump and others have used the birther thing to basically call obama a nigger without saying the word. obama likes to play golf as well as basketball. why wouldn't trump mention that instead? because it doesn't paint the right picture.


Woah.

Again: I see no evidence that criticizing Obama's policy manifests anything other than opposing his policy, and not wanting to see the nation "fundamentally transformed".

Others have commented about the fact that Obama racked up more golf time in his first year than W.Bush racked up in his entire 8 years.

I suspect that, like the birther issue, Trump selected it as something that would make him stand out from the crowd when criticizing Obama. And give him further visibility and name recognition.


Trump is an effective self-promoter, and is showing remarkable skill at carrying that over into politics by selecting the right targets. Along the lines of Willie Horton, or "it's the economy stupid".
That's a far cry from him or his supporters itching to unleash the N-bomb.


Dave, in all the time we've known each other, one thing has remained the same: if YOU don't think that something is racist then it's obvious that it isn't. even back on the Athourity board, you could never quite see that racism exists in subtle as well as overt forms. i know that you are not stupid so i believe that you just have a blind spot to certain realities in the world. i also know that you've had some negative run-ins with people of color and i think that those situations have made you much less sympathetic to the plight of minorities in this country....from the president on down to someone like me.

the birther issue is a way to point out that obama is OTHER, that he is not part of the America that trump and those like him inhabit. obama doesn't look like 'us', he doesn't think like 'us', he must hate 'us'. it's too easy to call...pardon the pun...spade a spade and just say "i hate that a nigger got elected president of MY country". that is something tht may be said in the privacy of one's home but, you cant say it in public, to the press, for the record...if you do, there's no chance you will win

no...instead, you make an issue of something that is utterly ridiculous but, serves the same purpose. if obama was white and had a father that was born in south africa, do you really think this birther nonsense would ever have been an issue?

given that the criteria for running for president in this country is that you must be at least 35 years old, be a resident of the country for at least 14 years and a natural born citizen of this country...which obama would be EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN KENYA...can you think of any reason...other than obama's race...to push the birther issue to the extent that it has been? any logical, rational, coherent reason to question whether or not he is an American?

go ahead...i'll wait.


regarding the grades/transcript issue that trump is banging on about now...c'mon man. are you really that obtuse that you can't see it for what it is? trump is trying to point out that obama is a beneficiary of affirmative action. and since obviously only unworthy minorities benefit from affirmative action, not only is obama a nigger but an shouldn't have even gotten into the schools he claims to have went to.

compared to the above, trump wasn't even trying with the basketball reference. that was probably just an adlib he slipped in as his contribution to the cause.

here's the news: obama went to college and law school in the late 70s/early 80s. it is highly likely that he did benefit from affirmative action but, that's only gonna get you so far. it is patently impossible for him to have had horrible grades and horrible boards and horrible LSATs and still be able get into an ivy league school for undergrad...let alone the most prestigious law school in the country. g-man went to Cornell, didn't he? i'd think that he could tell you that, unless your daddy and grandaddy went there, it's not easy to get into an ivy, much less excell there. dude graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. think trump's grades were that good?

so, hope that i've clarified the racist intent of both the birther issue and the grades issue. i'm sure you will do what you always do and deny it. but that's fine.

one last thing...if yu re-read my post i said that trump and others are trying to "jin up that segment of the population that hate obama for reasons other than just his policies". not once did i say everyone that hates obama hates him cuz he's black.

if you are an arch conservative, obviously you disagree with obama's policies and don't support his presidency. trump isn't reaching out to that crowd. have you heard him say anything that makes any sense concerning the economy or foreign policy? he's said that he is going to go to libya and take over their oil fields. he's said that he is going to go to china and make them behave. he's said that he is going to get all the jobs that have gone overseas back to America. does any of this sound like a plan to you? or just some random bullshit strung together in a barely coherent manner...


Oderint, dum metuant.


You are a god damned idiot, you know that? You ought to be smacked upside your dumb-fuck head, even after all these years. Shame on you!
-USCHI showin' some love