Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
So far we don't know how the fight started ...You can't assume that's what happened.


Riiight....because that's your job. ;\)

Seriously, however, on several occasions you have stated that Zimmerman started the fight by following Martin with a gun.

The fact you refer to there having been a fight, as opposed to simply an execution, would seem to be tacit admission on your part that there was a confrontation involving both parties.

If there was a confrontation, then both parties committed some sort of violent or threatening act.

And if both parties did so and you believe that Martin was not guilty of any criminal conduct--ie, that he was simply defending himself against Zimmerman--then you are acknowledging that self defense laws are, at times, valid.




Exactly.

As the record indicates at this point, Zimmerman had followed the 911 operator's instruction and broken off from following martin.

At that point, Trayvon Martin attacked him and became the aggressor, and by his actions warranted Zimmerman to legally defend himself.


What I said applies to you as well. It's not established exactly what happened. It may be your opinion that Martin attacked him but that is not established as fact. It is also unclear that Zimmerman broke off following Martin. It is part of the record that instead of meeting the police at his vehicle he instead asked them to call him and he would tell them where he was. Only reason I can think of is that he was still looking for the kid he eventually ended up killing.

Fair play!