RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events 17 year old Trayvon Martin shot by Neighborhood watch guy Zimmerman

I guess Richard Jewell was a lone bomber duck, then? Oh, wait. Turns out he didn't make and plant the bomb despite the media branding him as a failed cop looking to be a hero. Turns out that he actually was a hero who saved lives.

The Duke Lacross team was a group of racist, rich, white mallards who raped a poor, defenseless black girl. Oops. Turned out that the chick was a crazy, lying hooker who made up the whole thing.



You sick son of a bitch!



You, again, ignore the fact that there is no evidence of racism in Zimmerman's past. There is also evidence that his neighborhood was several years into a rash of robberies and vandalism. In just a little over the previous year, about 500 calls had been made to 911 from that gated community. So can you really blame Zimmerman for being suspicious of a complete stranger walking around his gated community at night?



I try to not rush to a conclusion when racism is tossed willie-nillie about. I've seen that used too much as a cover while completely ignoring the facts of the situation. If anything, I'm trying to keep bias from clouding my objectivity. I'm not 100% convinced that Zimmerman's telling the whole truth. I'll let public disclosure of evidence inform my final decision.

You've obviously let incorrect information and passion fashion your decision and unwilling to reconsider it, DC (considering your previous post using my initials, I thought that's what we were doing now. Also, you won't get by thinking it's associated with DC comics. No. It's associated with DC clothes, manufacturers of clothing for douchebags everywhere.). Zimmerman never described Martin as 'suspiciously black', so your use of quotes with that phrase is terribly misleading. You also paint a picture of Zimmerman walking around with a gun drawn, ready to kill Martin when the time suits him. You have nothing to back that up. As far as we know, Zimmerman followed from a distance and didn't confront Martin. Maybe he did. I'll wait for the collected evidence and not talking heads opinions in those regards.



You hate OJ because you suck at basketball. He's an ex-football player, Pro. How many times do we have to go over this?

Morally and ethically? Liability remains intact. Legally? He gave them the rope, and invited them to the hanging.

Okay. It was a low-speed pursuit!

Negative.

People can hark back to the 'he was told to do this or that' tune all they like, but that's not going to assign the attendant over the phone a better perspective than Horn--or even Zimmerman for that matter.

The 911 attendant's advice is definitely fodder for the masses. But not necessarily for a prosecutor.


If anyone recalls, there was a case of a 75 year old woman who chased a burglar out of her house and into her backyard with a .38 Special. She fired off a warning shot after he refused to freeze and scared him enough to make him stay on the ground. While she informed a 911 operator of this, she had to fire off another warning shot as he was making a second attempt to get away. The operator had the gall to say, "Stop shooting at him!" The operator was more concerned with the fact that the woman had a gun pointed at him than she was with her safety. If she followed that person's advice, she would have been put at great risk.

If she had killed him while he was attempting to leave that would have been murder.

If I recall correctly, Horn was never convicted or even tried, was he?

That I'll agree with. Someone fleeing no longer puts you in danger. You have no right, legally or ethically, to shoot someone who is fleeing.

No.

You see, the problem with intruders and/or attackers that don't stay still is that you have no idea what they're trying to do. They could very well be looking for an opportunity to regroup.

Yes, it is. You shoot someone fleeing, it is legally murder. Your opinion doesn't matter. That's the law in every state that I'm aware of.

Correct. And I could be wrong because the laws of each state vary, but I don't think that even a "stand your ground" law allows you to shoot someone who is running away.

• "In order to get the protection of the law," said Florida state Sen. David Simmons, an alleged victim "must not, for example, be the aggressor; cannot be waving a gun at someone; and cannot be engaged in drug dealing."

In fact, generally, even a police officer normally can't shoot someone running away, except to prevent the escape of a “fleeing felon” who poses a significant threat to human life after escape.

Even if he's black?

If the person is on the ground and suddenly decides to move, you have no idea what he or she is planning. You can't just assume the intent is to run away and you shouldn't have to wait and see what he or she does to find out. There is cause to shoot.

Even if your analysis of the situation is correct, Pariah, you're going to have trouble convincing a court of that fact.

Though I would note that doc may be wrong on it being murder. Depending on the facts it might be a lesser charge of manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/01/2778234/myspace-page-is-latest-salvo-in.html#storylink=cpy

Seems like we got Martin's social media dirt (both the real and the manufactured) much earlier. Probably the most interesting thing to me is that Zimmerman seems to be bragging about getting away with his previous assault of a cop. Kind of doubt if any of this would be used as part of the trial though.

especially considering that the 'dialect' used throughout said page sort of deflates the whole ZOMG RACISM!!1! argument a little...

If Zimmerman testifies I think it might be legitmately used to impeach his character.

THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! Haven't you read anything G-Shill & Co. have been telling you, MEM? Zimmerman is nice, perfect-white American citizen who was only protecting his family and loved ones from an unarmed negro teenager who was WALKING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD! *gasp* How can you even THINK he's a violent man? The kid was BLACK and acting like a free citizen of this country! He was BLACK!! Zimmerman only murdered him because, you know, he had to, not because he's a racist psychopath or anything... JEEEZ!

Zimmerman isn't white. He's of mixed race.

Now that "mixed race"= "white," I guess Obama didn't make history after all.

Well, he'll still be in Disney's Hall of Presidents.

Did Zimmerrman call the kid racists names or refer to the kid in racists terms?

Not that anybody heard.

So Pro is full of shit here at least on the above post.

orlandosentinel.com

It seems to me that some of this if true, is more than just inconsistencies.

Not that I want to defend Pro there is a lot of misinformation out there about this tragedy.

At first the media was reporting that while on the 911 call Zimmerman said "fucking coons"

Then when the actual audio is released you hear Zimmerman say "It's fucking cold."

The media has spun this thing way out of control.

"Network" is on Netflix streaming right now. It really is surprising how prophetic it was.

Don't come into the middle of an adult conversation, alt-ID David, and pretend you can add something of relevance.

The racism is an obvious fact. Zimmerman wouldn't have been out there stalking a white teenager to murder him. He was worried cause he thought "the blacks" were trying to steal his HD TV. Plenty of reason to gun an unarmed kid down in cold blood, right?

You don't know that Zimmerman wouldn't have checked out a white guy in a hoodie.

You don't even know what race Zimmerman is.

You are embracing ignorance.

Pro, is Zimmerman guilty only because he owned a firearm?

The facts are there. It's the willfully-blind pundits such as yourself that embrace ignorance. He profiled him based on his "hoodie" (racial profiling) and recent string of thefts (not murder, violence, or anything else....just taking material goods non-essential to living). He was supposedly "scared" because the teenager was walking through his neighborhood. Acting like it's an innocent gesture to stalk and murder and unarmed black kid is some kind of immoral spin to make those who "sympathize" with Zimmerman (i.e. other racists) feel better about the cruelty in their heart. Fact.

No, no facts. Ignorance. You claim to know exactly what happened when only one person does. Only two people were there, one of them is dead.

You don't know for a fact that Zimmerman wouldn't have checked out a white guy in a hoodie.

Also, I do not sympathize with Zimmerman. At all.

I'm not just going to assume Zimmerman was out there specifically to kill the first black people he came across either. That is ridiculous.

He most likely was the cause of Martin's death, just by his attitude.

My only position on this is that we do not have all the facts and most likely never will. I do not see how that puts me in a camp for either Martin or Zimmerman.

Pro, if on Earth 2, Martin had tried to strong arm rob Zimmerman, and Zimmerman shot him dead would you still have the same stance?

Another thing, how does a pro Zimmerman stance automatically make you a racist?

Zimmerman is Hispanic.

No.Show me some facts that prove what you're saying. Otherwise I declare you to be full of shit up past your eyeballs and leaking out your ears.

I would be a little pissed if I was walking through a neighborhood minding my own damnn business and some asshole came at me demanding to know what I was doing here and blah bah blah. I'd tell hime I was there to do his mom and ask him if he could let me know when she was done with the five guys in line in front of me.

Poor Lothar. Either read along or stay with the kids.

Show me some facts that prove what you're saying. Otherwise I declare you to be full of shit up past your eyeballs and leaking out your ears.

Read the thread you lazy fuck!

I think he has.