The board ate my (long) post. Kinda pissed off now.
Suffice it to say (in bullet points this time):
Happy the cat's out of the bag.
It was inevitable that Marxism would reach the gaming aspect of the culture since, by design, it's meant to turn all aspects of societies into a homogenous, conductive monster.
Didn't give gamers enough credit; expected them to be cool with being lulled to sleep by messages of social justice.
Since gamers are essentially addicts obsessed with getting their fix, they will attack anything that threatens their pet media (for better or worse) with relentless enthusiasm. It's a 4chan-esque "sleeping giant" subculture if you will.
Wish I had more free time to contribute to the foray. Will fuck with SJW when I can.
In the mean time, reading this shit as it happens will tide me over.
This thread at GS alone has been pretty damn awesome. There are some die hard Sarkeesian, Quinn, and SJW defenders in this convo and their routine of attempting to deconstruct the GamerGate has been very instructive. They're using as many pejoratives as they possiblly can to derail GamerGate proponents(see also: referring to them as "Gaters" (see also: Truthers, Birthers,)). I honestly believe that they're being coordinated.
The thread's OP also has a lot of good links and clarification of the issue in it.
It's always great having 4chan on your side. It's not like they have been a haven for pedophiles or anything.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
The moment the movement becomes about pedophilia, be sure to let me know.
Whatever quirkiness/shittiness exists within the ranks of their ilk, they're largely responsible for making sure the issue can't be ignored. Like I said: for better or worse.
The claim is that the accusation that they leveled rape AND bomb threats at Sarkeesian--a full month before the actual Quinn incident--is another way to pad her tune that these are nothing but a lot of misogynists, or rather, "misogynerds." Another disparaging label meant to marginalize the allegedly woman-hating gamer demographic that she despises and seeks to replace.
Or do you think that Sarkeesian is the picture of honesty? In which case, how much of her stuff have you actually read/watched? Are you familiar with her Kickstarter shenanigans by chance?
Congress-edits is a Twitter bot that posts all edits made to Wikipedia from the IP address associated with the United States House of Representatives. Today, it announced one very strange edit:
Kotaku is the popular game-news and culture arm of Gawker Media and has recently been embroiled in the toxic #gamergate movement of aggrieved and confused white nerds. The edit, which cites two Breitbart articles, is as follows: “In 2014, Kotaku was exposed as being part of a vast conspiracy to promote Cultural Marxism through video games.”
I'm not at all a gamer, but I have been following this Anita Sarkeesian/Feminist Frequency saga.
Anita Sarkeesian does not appear to be an honest person. From her kickstarter, to different videos where she contradicts herself.
Her videos seem to be either badly researched or manipulated to serve her rhetoric.
She does seem to be pretty savvy at manipulation of the media. She mainly uses it to quiet any opposing viewpoint.
As for the death/rape threats I bet it isn't any more than the average person in the public eye gets for expressing their opinion. I bet Bill O'Reily gets a ton of death threats after every episode.
[9/18/14 12:06 AM] moot: Why the fuck didn't you react sooner [9/18/14 12:06 AM] moot: I guess it was my fault, but you could have done this without me [9/18/14 12:06 AM] [REDACTED 1]: sorry m8, i was not sure what to do [9/18/14 12:07 AM] [REDACTED 1]: but like [9/18/14 12:07 AM] [REDACTED 1]: they would, like the angry fucks they are, rage because "MUH FREESPEECH" kek [9/18/14 12:07 AM] moot: I JUST WANTED TO DOX A GIRL BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT HARASSING GAME DEVELOPERS [9/18/14 12:07 AM] [REDACTED 2]: Moot, I hate to break it to ya, but it's not working [9/18/14 12:08 AM] [REDACTED 3]: I fucking wish it worked but there are so many fucking people, it's too hard to stop them [9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: It's pissing me the fuck off too, believe me [9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: Where the hell are the other moderators? They don't display as online [9/18/14 12:08 AM] [REDACTED 1]: mods are kill [9/18/14 12:08 AM] [REDACTED 4]: It's late, moot, so excuse me if my posting is a bit sloppy [9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: This meeting is one of the most important we've ever had, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE HERE [9/18/14 12:08 AM] [REDACTED 2]: We've had like 800 discussions since Gamerhate started [9/18/14 12:08 AM] [REDACTED 5]: ----'s gonna be late. he told me his computer BSOD'd [9/18/14 12:09 AM] moot: It's fine. I called in 20 people, he's pretty much nothing more than an ally [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 6]: IS THIS ABOUT GAMERGATE, OR JUST MORE BORINGASS TECH DISCUSSION [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 2]: Gamergate... [9/18/14 12:09 AM] moot: I told you in the email it's about Gamergate [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 7]: is this all this is? [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 7]: are we seriously getting up in arms about a bunch of stupid fucking nerds making posts about some game dev [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 8]: Ayyyyye lmao [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 3]: aye m8 [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 6]: I'm glad we're addressing the issue in a hostile way, they don't respect us otherwise [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 4]: Who gives a fuck about respect? This is about ending all harassment and bad reputation going to 4chan [9/18/14 12:09 AM] moot: It used to be about that [9/18/14 12:09 AM] moot: Now, we're fighting an army of stupid fucking nerds instead of just a bunch [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 7]: i've been kind of out of it since that bomb threat [9/18/14 12:09 AM] [REDACTED 9]: hi [9/18/14 12:09 AM] moot: I feel for you. It's hard to ignore Gamergate to me, when I'M GETTING FUCKING DEATH THREATS [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 1]: why would anyone want to threaten mootsan my lord and savior [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 6]: I got a death threat too, but the person sending it lived on the other side of the world, like wtf lol [9/18/14 12:10 AM] moot: Fuck this waiting, I'm shaking, I need to tell my unfiltered thoughts NOW [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 3]: You sound distressed [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 10]: I ARRIVED IN TIME OMG [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 2]: It's been 5 minutes, Christ [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 4]: Dammit I fucking hate those nerds [9/18/14 12:10 AM] moot: I'm gonna gather up everything that's happened, and info dump you all [9/18/14 12:10 AM] moot: Everyone else, just stay idle until I give the "head's up" [9/18/14 12:10 AM] moot: I'll be back! [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 10]: I just got here and already moot's gone ;_; [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 9]: he'll be back [9/18/14 12:10 AM] [REDACTED 3]: Perfect time for me to take a shower if Moot's preparing a speech or whatevs [9/18/14 12:11 AM] [REDACTED 5]: I think we can leave until Moot gets bafk [9/18/14 12:12 AM] [REDACTED 2]: It's such a travesty when out fellow brothers gets depressed [9/18/14 12:12 AM] [REDACTED 6]: Well damn
break in chat, for the next 30 minutes there are only 4 posts, pointless to leave in
[9/18/14 12:41 AM] moot: My speech is done. Horrifying revelations have been revealed. [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 11]: OH SHIT [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 1]: MUH GAWD [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 2]: I'm ready!!! [9/18/14 12:42 AM] moot: This cannot get out. They will be fucking pissed beyond belief if it gets out [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 4]: Moot, what happened to the other mods. There are only 12 of us online... [9/18/14 12:42 AM] moot: Timezone issues I assume. I'm not going to fault them, but I told them about this last night [9/18/14 12:42 AM] moot: They could've just said "I can't come" instead of leaving me hanging. Oh well. [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 5]: We're listening, man [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 3]: I haven't been this anxious since the Chris-Chan debatacle ffs [9/18/14 12:42 AM] moot: Chris-Chan was some weird autistic kid. This is nowhere close to that. [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 7]: it's weird how just a month ago we were all like "huh well isn't this interesting" [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 1]: hurry up with the speech moot [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 2]: I'm anxious too m8 [9/18/14 12:42 AM] moot: Hold the fuck on, damn [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 7]: but now it's become so enticing, a disgusting perverted issue that is a war between rational people who just want to support women, and lanky disgusting fucks who can't stand the idea of a woman having sex [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 1]: you know what they say [9/18/14 12:42 AM] [REDACTED 6]: I arrived just in time wtf [9/18/14 12:43 AM] [REDACTED 1]: dumbfucks gonna dumbfuck [9/18/14 12:43 AM] moot: Read this thoroughly before responding, don't post while I'm posting: [9/18/14 12:43 AM] [REDACTED 2]: It's habbnin' [9/18/14 12:43 AM] moot: Cracked sent me an email a few days ago [9/18/14 12:43 AM] moot: The same day Zoe issued her article, to be exact [9/18/14 12:43 AM] moot: They told me they are strong supporters of the Social Justice Movement, and are through sitting behind while the harassment goes on [9/18/14 12:44 AM] moot: They said if I didn't stop Gamergate on 4chan, they would write an article that "exposes" 4chan for the "true cesspit" it is. They're also going to basically get feminists to hack in and take down my site. [9/18/14 12:44 AM] moot: And coincidentally, I got a letter that threatened to lynch me in the streets, from a group of hackers who strongly support feminism. [9/18/14 12:44 AM] moot: A day before this, I went to see Anita speak at XOXO, and she was absolutely lovely. Behind the scenes, I got to have a word with her. We hit it off perfect, and we're now friends through online communication. [9/18/14 12:44 AM] moot: I told her my situation, and her advice was to get my mods to delete everything Gamergate on site. [9/18/14 12:44 AM] moot: I was reluctant, but after that day, I did what she said. You all remember the day I told you to delete Gamergate shit, we were convinced it would work. [9/18/14 12:44 AM] moot: But it didn't fucking work. [9/18/14 12:45 AM] moot: That hacker group is real btw. [9/18/14 12:45 AM] moot: They've been sending more letters to my house, and emails to my personal address. [9/18/14 12:45 AM] moot: Funny thing is, I still support them more than I do Gamergate. [9/18/14 12:45 AM] moot: So, that's why I'm so worried. I got Cracked making threats and a group threatening to take down my site. [9/18/14 12:45 AM] moot: The two are very powerful, and can get done what they say they want to get done.
...mostly just reiterating and people reacting for the next few minutes, nothing noteworthy. here's where the real dirt begins:
[9/18/14 12:59 AM] [REDACTED 2]: The Internet Aristocrat's real name is ------ - ------- and it turns out he has a real job at ------------. Maybe, we could call him at work and get him fired because of his shameless support of harassment? [9/18/14 12:59 AM] [REDACTED 3]: Holy hell, how did you find that? [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 2]: A friend who used to know him. The Aristocrat's a disgusting human being, he deserves it. [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 10]: We have dox on a lot of Gamergate supporters. [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 10]: Nero and MundaneMatt among others. [9/18/14 1:00 AM] moot: While I don't advocate doxing, maybe this could play into our advantage. [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 5]: Couldn't we just scare the supporters off? [9/18/14 1:00 AM] moot: Scaring them off could take work. [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 6]: Tell them we got dox because they posted in /v/ [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 8]: What the hell, you're not legitimately considering this are you? [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 8]: They could find out it was us. [9/18/14 1:00 AM] [REDACTED 1]: we can use firewalls, lol [9/18/14 1:00 AM] moot: I'm reluctant, but not unwilling to try that. [9/18/14 1:01 AM] [REDACTED 8]: Fine, but what about the people using proxies? [9/18/14 1:01 AM] [REDACTED 5]: There are more people without proxies than people with proxies. [9/18/14 1:01 AM] moot: ^ We can get rid of most of them. [9/18/14 1:01 AM] [REDACTED 5]: I'll work on the idea. Maybe, get in one normie supporter so it looks legit. [9/18/14 1:01 AM] moot: Nice. Sometimes hostility is the answer. Not all the time, but sometimes.
it all gets kind of un-noteworthy after that, but the last thing i mentioned...
[9/18/14 1:31 AM] [REDACTED 5]: What about that new site you mentioned earlier? [9/18/14 1:31 AM] moot: I got Tumblr's support on the project. I'm still brainstorming though... [9/18/14 1:31 AM] [REDACTED 1]: any ideas? [9/18/14 1:32 AM] [REDACTED 8]: Tumblr? You're not going SJW on me are you? [9/18/14 1:32 AM] moot: Fuck off. Speak with me in IM. I've got a word to have with you. [9/18/14 1:32 AM] [REDACTED 7]: you can support social justice without being from tumblr, dipshit [9/18/14 1:32 AM] moot: In response to ------, I have no current ideas. [9/18/14 1:32 AM] [REDACTED 1]: what about 4chan? [9/18/14 1:32 AM] [REDACTED 3]: #BurnDown4chan [9/18/14 1:32 AM] [REDACTED 5]: 4chan's ride never ends. It just gets more disgusting and disturbing as you go along [9/18/14 1:32 AM] moot: I'll have to rebuild it from the ground up, or I'll sell it to someone else. [9/18/14 1:32 AM] [REDACTED 7]: Why would you be worried about hackers taking it down if you yourself want to take it down? [9/18/14 1:32 AM] moot: I said sell it, not shut it down. [9/18/14 1:33 AM] [REDACTED 7]: Either way, can you make sure to permanently ban everyone who's posted in Gamergate threads? [9/18/14 1:33 AM] [REDACTED 4]: Yeah, if you want to rebuild 4chan, the first step is banning EVERY. SINGLE. GAMERGATE. SUPPORTER. [9/18/14 1:33 AM] moot: It'll take a lot of work, but I'll probably do that. [9/18/14 1:33 AM] moot: Don't know yet.
honestly doesn't sound like the m00tle I remember, but it's not terribly challenging to doctor up a chatlog. I'm this skeptical of everything in memespace, though. this whole thing is sketchy as fuck. yeah, it appears quinn was responsible for some shady shit, and she shouldn't be let off the hook if what we're told about alleged tampering with the campaigns is true, but the problem here is that, simply put, internet gonna internet. we're used to being able to rage with impunity to the point that we no longer have that little angel on our shoulder asking if we're sure we're not blowing things out of proportion. the problem isn't that memespace blew up at quinn for possibly fucking up an effort to improve the gaming industry. it's that a numerically small but absurdly vocal minority within gamergate lacks any concept of decorum and seems unable to express dissatisfaction with something a prominent woman said/did in a manner other than rape threats and the basest of vulgarities. it does the rest of memespace a disservice and makes legit channers, goons, and redditors look like the entitled, misogynistic powerspergs that turned a valid objection into an unnavigable shitstorm.
At this point, it's looking more like the conversation they had was real. Aside from his confirmed attendance at XOXO, and his SJW-advocate girlfriend, he's chosen radio silence over clarifying his position. And, apparently, the excuse in his only post explaining the deletion of all the GamerGate stuff was total bunk: I don't hang out at 4chan that much, but all the people that have for the past six years agree that the incidents with which he he parelled this one were less than appropriate citations.
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it's that a numerically small but absurdly vocal minority within gamergate lacks any concept of decorum and seems unable to express dissatisfaction with something a prominent woman said/did in a manner other than rape threats and the basest of vulgarities.
So you're skeptical of all the GamerGate claims, but you're absolutely certain of the claims of an underlying, credibility-destroying scum-bagginess coming from their end?
Like Jaburg said, vulgarity and obscenity is nothing new on the internet--and when I say the internet, I mean the INTERNET, and not any one party. You think SJW and friends aren't capable of slander and vitriol--let alone fucking DDos attacks? Or is censorship favorable to vulgarity?
I think all of the evidence thusfar makes it apparent that this goes WAY beyond Quinn, and trying to keep the wedge-issue of rape/death/bomb threats alive serves as an attempt to distract from the larger issue that people are being socially engineered by people like Sarkeesian and the journalists she influences. Quinn is just a crony who ended up blowing their cover.
This is one of the first threads that popped up in response to the Aristocrat's outing of Quinn and Grayson. Like the GS thread, it's become a pretty good news aggregate on the issue, but here's a choice post with a quote I couldn't find elsewhere:
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I probably shouldnt post this but here goes. I used to be a mod for /d/.
Inb4 degenerate.
I need for this info to get out. Most of the mods on 4chan have only been in that position for a couple of weeks.
The day after the #ShutDown4CHAN thing happened in july, moot called a meeting with all the mods in a IRC. He said that a girl did atempt suicide and that she had connections and they wanted blood.
Moot demanded that we use everything we can to remove anything wanting to " fuck up sjw shit". Needless to say alot of mod anons called out moot and were kicked from the chat.
Before one was kicked he told every mod agianst this shit to meet in a 4craft server. We all did and discussed how fucked up this was. Over the next few days our chats about it became emails wich became skype calls. In the end we agreed that the next big fuck up the sjws make then we will let whatever happens happen.
What came next was dashcon.
We let the discussion go on like normal. Some mods did moots bidding and banned. Others were in the threads bumping . What was left was nearly 2/3 of 4chan`s given the boot.
We we're all purged and outed. We fell on eachother and to bitch and moan. I swear to god our chatlogs the day after must look like mr. meeseeks.
One ousted mod anon was also a mod for 420chan and wizardchan. He said that alot of the mods thier were also exiled.
He gave proof, in the form of a collection of perma banned notices for dozens of IPs. And a list of those same IPs in log records for mod services.
We flipped our shit and began looking for more chans that this had happened to. 7chan, mchan, getchan and even shrekchan had massive mod axeings on the same day as 4chan.u
The next day a mod who wasnt outed contacted us. To our horror he told us that the new mods are complete sjws and openly call for permabans for alot of 4chan "board culture".
As we dug deeper we found out that the same thing was happening to alot of subreddits. Normally we would say fuck em. But they told us that tons of non sjw mods had thier accounts sieged and them ip banned.
Deeper we dug and found out that dozens of forum mods and website mods were either changed or became rabbid sjw over night.
Currently this is the deepiest we have dug. The girl who attempted suicide was kassie washington, niece of nick denton owner and publisher of gawker media
The sheer level of odiousness implied by this (admittedly old) revelation is jarring--holy fuck!
The Crony/Marxist machine is so well oiled, so well prepared, that they actually have dozens of infiltrators in pop culture BBSs. Why the fuck did I not see that coming.
I really REALLY wish I was in the states right now. Reading about this stuff from the Middle East is making me stir-crazy.
Wow. There's been about a dozen facets of this story developing all at once in the past couple of days. Wish I had more time towatch the train wreck ensue.
Two editors attempted to write the article for the movement on Wikipedia that portrayed the SJW's in a negative light. In response, they were doxxed by Sarkeesian-Quinn-SJW advocates (probably the same feminist hacker group that targeted everyone else in GamerGate). As such, if you read the article on it now, you'll just see a bunch of wank about how terrible and misogynist the movement is, and how Quinn is a tragic victim.
One of the editors turned out to be a ten-year old kid.
Article from the SJW, ultra-feminist point of view:
The rules of the universe state that because you are so passionate about this that I can't give a flying fuck about it.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
You do realize that the trends encouraged by the SJW movement are exactly what caused franchises like Mass Effect to go down the shitter, right?
People inside EA have already been exposed as being apart of the network on the GameJourno mailing list. If developers/producers/publishers can count on good reviews in exchange for exhibiting the pet social issues of SJWs in the games they make, then developers have no incentive for fleshing out their product beyond being a typical third-person/first-person shooter with functional mechanics--at least as far as Mass Effect was concerned.
I don't play many games anymore. While it's largely because I've been busier lately, it's also because the majority of them don't interest me at this point. I can't help but think that this wouldn't be the case were the industry not struck with this crony/nepotist disease where game contents were filtered through SJW ideologues.
The larger implications here are especially horrifying considering that the progressive agents within the gaming industry have just revealed the chink in the armor of the overall movement to shift and mold Western culture into whatever these SJW motherfuckers want it to be. Quite frankly, they should have foreseen this since the gaming medium is the least developed, and therefore less predictable/controllable, form of media. Thankfully, the contemporary American Marxist machine's hipster-agency turned out to be too arrogant to realize that social conduction of such a fickle and insular demographic isn't that simple, and so here we are.
And are you really okay with the gaming journalist industry receiving public money via DiGRA--for the purpose of funding SJW causes no less? If not, then I hardly think that apathy is an appropriate response this issue.
The rules of the universe state that because you are so passionate about this that I can't give a flying fuck about it.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
And are you really okay with the gaming journalist industry receiving public money via DiGRA--for the purpose of funding SJW causes no less? If not, then I hardly think that apathy is an appropriate response to this issue.
The rules of the universe state that because you are so passionate about this that I can't give a flying fuck about it.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
I can’t exactly be accused of writing about sunshine and roses here on the site. But, every once in awhile, a story comes my way that really brightens my spirits. Now, this story isn’t perfect, because it still involves SJW thugs trying to doxx someone. I still think you’ll find it very smile-worthy, though.
As it turns out, not everyone can be harmed by a doxxing. Take yours truly, for example. I could care less if these assholes try to doxx me, or not. It won’t affect my life. Plus, it’s not like I can do anything about it. That’s another reason I don’t worry. Luckily, some people are in a different position. Lots of people have their back…like the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, for example.
You see, when you try to doxx someone who works in the Department of Defense, the Feds do not take that shit lightly. When that person also has a “top secret” security clearance? Well, you end up getting investigated espionage, and possible domestic terrorism. That’s not the spot you want to be in if you’re some guy from 4chan with extremist feminist ties. Hell, it’s not a spot anyone wants to be in, regardless of background. The FBI doesn’t play around.
Here’s a friendly reminder to all you SJW pricks: There’s no parole in the federal penitentiary system. You’re gonna have to do 85% of your time, at least. I hope it was worth it.
See, I told you guys this was going to make you smile.
at one point there were valid arguments here. one big problem is that the underlying issue at stake here (the impartiality of gaming journalism and the reviews system) is right up there with country clubs not automatically tacking on gratuities after dinner and the rising cost of banana republic flat-front twill slacks in the hierarchy of first-world problems. I've played video games for most of my life, and I've been enmeshed in the internet since compuserve dialup on a windows 95 machine, but this is why everyone is raising an absolute shitstorm? developers and publishers have been either paying for or cashing in favors for artificially inflated game reviews since the first issue of nintendo power. no news there. would I like to see the institution of journalists and reviewers build a little integrity? sure, but I'm not about to dox or threaten anyone over it. I spend an unhealthy amount of time on reddit too, and I don't recall the alleged "SJWs" (by the way, throwing that label around doesn't really do much for one's credibility outside the bubble) first escalating the conflict to that level. are there idiots on both sides? this is the fucking internet we're talking about. have people gone too far with this? this "issue" persisting longer than 48 hours constituted going too far with it. there are fucktards and fuckups galore on all sides of this fucking thing. just let it die while some shreds of dignity remain.
the argument I'm not hearing often enough really can't be overstated here. way back at the beginning of this shitstorm, when the ex's dazzlingly whiny rant outed quinn to begin with, someone should've established this because it would've ended the whole thing before it began. the question of whether or not zoe quinn fucked a reviewer does not determine whether she as an individual is at fault for supposedly ill-gotten reviews. zoe quinn could fuck the entire staff of IGN and it wouldn't make her solely responsible for 'corrupting' the hallowed institution of gaming journalism. because it takes two fucking people to fuck. when a man fucks a woman (♫♪♫), is he, like, hypnotized and unable to write an objective review? it doesn't make zoe quinn a vile temptress who should be ashamed for daring to use her vagina in a cavalier fashion. it doesn't even prove conclusively that the review was skewed on account of the alleged coitus. and if a reviewer comes out and admits "yeah, I gave her a good review because she does this fucking thing with her..." it says way more about his degree of objectivity and journalistic integrity than it does about the inherent evils of her femininity. if a prosecuting attorney fucks (or has fucked) the defendant, their ass is right the hell off that case (and possibly under investigation themselves) - if you're a journalist and you become romantically entangled with the subject of your article or review or feature, it's on you to get the hell off that byline. the one argument the feminists would be incontrovertibly right about (if they could just stick to it) is that blaming the woman does fuck-all to fix or address or even correctly identify the problem. if you're gonna bitch about reviews being skewed by money or sex or job referrals, maybe you should take it up with the reviewers who allow themselves to be influenced?
You're apparently missing the very large point here, and I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp, but what you're choosing to disparagingly write off as "first-world problems" and soft-headedly identify as a case of 'assholes on both sides' is, in actuality, the hijacking of an 80 billion+ dollar industry by way of phasing out it's demographic and socially conducting the masses using nepotism, cries of victimhood and social justice, coercion, career sabotage, and censorship. I mean, did you just completely gloss over the part where a dozen columnists on various gaming sites came out with the SAME. FUCKING. "gamers are dead" article?
Cultural Marxism isn't going to limit itself based on your own perception of what you think does and does not warrant this much attention. Like I already said, this episode is one facet of a larger--organized--cultural attack: "The larger implications here are especially horrifying considering that the progressive agents within the gaming industry have just revealed the chink in the armor of the overall movement to shift and mold Western culture into whatever these SJW motherfuckers want it to be. Quite frankly, they should have foreseen this since the gaming medium is the least developed, and therefore less predictable/controllable, form of media. Thankfully, the contemporary American Marxist machine's hipster-agency turned out to be too arrogant to realize that social conduction of such a fickle and insular demographic isn't that simple, and so here we are."
They're trying to frame the narrative to paint gamers as misogynistic wastoids/rapists/harassers and you're choosing to ignore it in favor of sounding milquetoast. Both parties aren't wrong--or even half-right--by virtue of having a disagreement.
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the argument I'm not hearing often enough really can't be overstated here. way back at the beginning of this shitstorm, when the ex's dazzlingly whiny rant outed quinn to begin with, someone should've established this because it would've ended the whole thing before it began. the question of whether or not zoe quinn fucked a reviewer does not determine whether she as an individual is at fault for supposedly ill-gotten reviews. zoe quinn could fuck the entire staff of IGN and it wouldn't make her solely responsible for 'corrupting' the hallowed institution of gaming journalism. because it takes two fucking people to fuck. when a man fucks a woman (♫♪♫), is he, like, hypnotized and unable to write an objective review? it doesn't make zoe quinn a vile temptress who should be ashamed for daring to use her vagina in a cavalier fashion. it doesn't even prove conclusively that the review was skewed on account of the alleged coitus. and if a reviewer comes out and admits "yeah, I gave her a good review because she does this fucking thing with her..." it says way more about his degree of objectivity and journalistic integrity than it does about the inherent evils of her femininity. if a prosecuting attorney fucks (or has fucked) the defendant, their ass is right the hell off that case (and possibly under investigation themselves) - if you're a journalist and you become romantically entangled with the subject of your article or review or feature, it's on you to get the hell off that byline. the one argument the feminists would be incontrovertibly right about (if they could just stick to it) is that blaming the woman does fuck-all to fix or address or even correctly identify the problem. if you're gonna bitch about reviews being skewed by money or sex or job referrals, maybe you should take it up with the reviewers who allow themselves to be influenced?
Why are you still on Zoe Quinn?
Why are you talking about her "femininity"?
Why are you choosing to strawman the issue by focusing on Quinn's nature as a female rather than, say, her coordinated campaign (with Sarkeesian, Alexander, et al) to censor the fact that she helped compromise the industry?
Why do you make it sound as though Grayson and friends aren't taking a whole lot of shit for this too?
A few days ago, Warhorse Studios released a video update on their game Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Gaming blogs all over the world have written about the video, but until now the only site in the US to give the update any press was Cinemablend. The complete silence from most major gaming publications about the title will come as no surprise to some. Daniel Vavra, the game’s director, has been a fairly vocal supporter of Gamergate, a topic which we at Techraptor have written about in abundance. Who knows how many other games have gone unnoticed just because the game developers somehow displeased the wrong journalist?
This of course leaves the creators of the game in a bit of an unfortunate situation; without a lot of press for the game leading up to its release, it will have an uphill battle to climb up Steam’s Top Sellers page. While the supporters of Gamergate are eagerly awaiting the game’s release, only time will tell if that will be enough to give the game a successful launch. Though things seem hopeful, as despite the lack of coverage, the video still managed to be their most popular one yet, and they have hit a new record week in their crowdfunding campaign. Hopefully word of mouth will continue to raise hype for the game over time.
Why are you choosing to strawman the issue by focusing on Quinn's nature as a female rather than, say, her coordinated campaign (with Sarkeesian, Alexander, et al) to censor the fact that she helped compromise the industry?
Why do you make it sound as though Grayson and friends aren't taking a whole lot of shit for this too?
respectfully, though, in all seriousness. what's their endgame? what are you so concerned the SJWs and warrior feminists are going to do to the industry? to society? what are we trying to prevent?
Mediocrity. Not to mention the assimilation of an industry that's largely influential to our youth.
If the hand that's reached into the gaming sphere is apart of the same machine that's already taken over our political/media outlets, then that's yet another avenue that we've allowed them to get a hold of and work with in concert.
I'm (I can't believe I'm saying this) more interested in getting a concise opinion out of you. in all honesty it's mainly because this is one of the topics we'll be tackling (from all angles) tonight when we record for an upcoming podcast. is there any way you could condense your personal perspective over the last two pages into a paragraph or two? I'll hopefully be able to give you a more satisfactory response soon; I'm just going back over all the sources I've been given on all sides of this so I can at least do a more or less objective take on it tonight.
