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It's not disenfranchisement, Uh, yes. Yes it is. The DNC specifically allotted that many super-delegates for the express purpose of overriding any possible candidates that the DEM elite dislikes. Again, this is the legacy of George McGovern's campaign, and the DEMs still run with it because it gives them ultimate power.
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It's not disenfranchisement, Uh, yes. Yes it is. The DNC specifically allotted that many super-delegates for the express purpose of overriding any possible candidates that the DEM elite dislikes. Again, this is the legacy of George McGovern's campaign, and the DEMs still run with it because it gives them ultimate power. I'm fine with it. Nobody is forced to vote for a party or run with a particular party. Republicans I might add don't pick there candidate purely by who has the most votes either btw. In fact there was an attempt this year to get Trump into a contested convention.
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Let the record reflect that this was MEM's response after Pariah explained how the DNC was disenfranchising primary voters.
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I'm fine with it. Nobody is forced to vote for a party or run with a particular party. Republicans I might add don't pick there candidate purely by who has the most votes either btw. In fact there was an attempt this year to get Trump into a contested convention. When the GOP's super delegate count numbers in the fucking hundreds--close to a quarter of the delegates needed for a nomination--then I'll compare the severity of their suppression to the DNC's. As it is however, I've hardly been cheer leading for the GOP this election cycle.
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If the super delegates end up with whoever has the most votes I think it probably isn't going to be an issue. Sanders came close but basically he can't win unless he flips super delegates. That's not likely because he has way less votes/pledged delegates.
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Or unless the FBI moves to indict Hillary Clinton.
Even in that case, I think the DNC would snub Sanders and go with Jerry Brown or ZElizabeth Warren or John Kerry, or anyone but Sanders.
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That doesn't seem very objective wb. I understand the other side enjoying any fighting going on but Sanders just has less votes than Hillary. More people have voted for her than when Obama ran in 2008.
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From AOL.com, the liberal media, no less... Harry Reid on Elizabeth Warren serving as Hillary Clinton's VP: 'Hell no'by Maxwell Tani May 23rd 2016
Hillary Clinton may run into some opposition from her own party if she decides to poach a Democratic senator as her running mate.
In an interview on Monday, MSNBC host Joy Reid asked outgoing Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid whether he supported either Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Sen. Sherrod Brown as potential Clinton running mates.
Harry Reid shot down the idea, pointing out that if Clinton chose a nominee from a Republican-controlled state, then the governor would fill the vacancy, essentially allowing the seat to switch hands.
"If we have a Republican governor in any of those states, the answer is not only no, but hell no," Harry Reid said. "And I would do whatever I can and I think most of my Democratic colleagues here would say the same thing."
He added: "I would yell and scream to stop that."
Ohio state law requires the governor to appoint a senator to finish out the term. With former Republican presidential candidate John Kasich running the Buckeye State, it's a good bet that a Republican senator would serve for Brown's remaining two years. In Massachusetts, the nominee would serve for up to 160 days before state law requires the governor to hold a special election.
Though Warren's work as an aggressive watchdog and consumer advocate has helped her garner a major national profile, many political observers have noted that Brown could also help burnish Clinton's progressive credentials. The senator has strong ties to the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and hails from Ohio, the Rust Belt swing state that's critical to securing the electoral-college votes needed to clinch the White House.
As she comes closer to clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, Clinton is publicly keeping the door open to different options, recently even floating the idea of nominating someone from the business community.
Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, and Labor Secretary Thomas Perez are all reportedly on the short list of potential running mates.
Loving the Democrat-on-Democrat fratricide. Looking forward to a long primary run by Bernie Sanders.
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Donald Trump's New Attack Ad Features Bill Clinton Accuser Juanita Broaddrick(actual ad embedded at end of the article.) Hillary's evil gloating supervillain laugh concludes this ad, just as it did the last ad. Manifesting her contempt for her victims, for the American people, and for the laws she breaks in pursuit of her own selfish ambition.
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Donald Trump closing in on Hillary Clinton’s national lead, with two new polls showing him surpassing or matching her voter supportTrump led Clinton 46%-44% in the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll The latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows Clinton beating her GOP rival 46%-43% among likely voters, barely outside the poll’s 3.1-percentage-point margin of error.
Clinton towered over Trump by 11 percentage points in the same poll just last month, and held a double-digit lead over him since December.
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Actually, I see Trump as having the momentum, and Hillary on a downward slide. Presidential elections tend to ultimately go to whoever the new candidate is, who offers a real change. In this case, Hillary is the status quo, who basically offers a 3rd term of Obama policy. Whereas Trump offers a real alternative to both parties, vowing to bring common-sense policy to secure our borders, to protect the U.S. from Islamic terrorism, to reign in the national debt, to rebuild our military, and grow our economy and jobs.
Hillary offers to not even label ISIS and Al Qaida as "Islamic terrorism", let alone fight it, Hillary campaigns to continue an anti-jobs policy that has brought less than 3% growth every year of Obama's presidency. Hillary campaigns to shit on U.S. citizens while favoring illegal immigrants (i.e., undocumented Democrats), campaigns to further slash and weaken our military, campaigns to not enforce our borders against illegals and call anyone who disagrees a xenophobe and racist, and campaigns to further demagogue "the rich" who create jobs in this country, even as she reaps huge campaign and Clinton Foundation contributions for selling out to them.
Voters are terrified of what's been happening for the last 7 years, they ultimately will reject 8 more years of it.
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It is extremely funny to watch at this point.
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It is.
Minimally reported, Donald Trump a few days ago finally secured the nomination with the needed minimum delegates. You know, the minimum number that everyone said it was impossible for him to get!
And there's still a number of state primaries still left to go.
The opposition all say that Donald Trump is crazy. But I've increasingly seen he's crazy like a fox. He makes controversial remarks that suck all the oxygen away from his opposition, and that allowed him to be the last man standing among an unprecedentedly large field of 17 Republican primary candidates. And it's a delight to see the same juggernaut unleashed now on Frau Hitlery.
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Clinton beats the Colonel in California by sixteen points.
Sucks.
It's still possible for Sanders and his zombies to drags this out through DC and going after the super-delegate system. They won't necessarily be successful, but they'll continue to make her look toxic--and if they riot in the process, they'll make themselves look bad too. Double win.
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There's still a chance Frau Hitlery will win the FBI caucus.
Even then, the DNC still wouldn't give Bernie Sanders the nomination. But it would further stoke up the chaos within the DNC.
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Has Alex really not finished melting yet?
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. . https://www.truthorfiction.com/secret-service-presidents/Some of the allegations in this eRumor are accurate, according to Kessler’s book and some are not. Let’s take a look at each one:
Codenamed Lancer, John Kennedy was a philanderer of the highest order. Jacqueline Kennedy ordered the kitchen help to save all the left-over food and wine for the next White House occasion: -Truth! & Fiction! An agent interviewed in Kessler’s book said that while assigned to guard President Kennedy agents realized that he led a double life. The charismatic leader was “a cheating, reckless husband whose aides snuck women into the White House to appease his sexual appetite.” There was no mention of Jackie Kennedy saving leftovers for the next occasion.
Lyndon Johnson (LBJ) was another philanderer of the highest order. He was also crude as the day is long. Ladybird Johnson was either naive or pretended to “not know” of her husband’s many liaisons: -Truth! & Fiction! One agent assigned to protect him who was interviewed in Kessler’s book said that Johnson, codenamed Volunteer, was “uncouth, nasty and often drunk.” The agent said that after being caught by his wife having sex with a secretary in the Oval Office Johnson ordered the Secret Service to install a buzzer to warn him. The agent said that Mrs. Johnson was well aware of what was going on.
Richard Nixon was a moral man but very paranoid, odd and weird.. He had a horrible relationship with his family, and in a way, he was almost a recluse. Pat Nixon was quiet most of the time: –Truth! An agent assigned to protect the Nixon’s said that the President, codenamed Searchlight, “seemed to have no relationship with his wife, Pat,” and she “was an alcoholic who tippled martinis.” When the Nixon’s were in San Clemente, Ca the family went out to play a nine hole golf game and an agent said that during the entire hour and a half game the President did not say one word to his wife and daughters.
Spiro Agnew was a nice, decent man and everyone in the Secret Service was surprised about his downfall: -Fiction! Agents assigned to protect Agnew were interviewed and said that although he came across as a champion of family values the Vice President “was having affairs while in office.” A detail of Secret Service agents once clandestinely took Agnew to a room on the fourth floor of Washington’s Regis Hotel and left him there unguarded for three hours, at the request of the Vice President. A former agent said, “Leaving him in an unsecured location was a breach of security. As agents, it was embarrassing because we were facilitating his adultery. We felt like pimps.”
Gerald Ford was a true gentlemen who treated the Secret Service with respect and dignity. He had a great sense of humor. Betty Ford drank a lot: - Truth! Agents found President Ford, Codenamed Passkey, to be a “decent man who valued their service.” Although he was portrayed by Saturday Night Live comedian Chevy Chase to be a stumbling, bumbling buffoon, agents say Gerald Ford was quite athletic and enjoyed skiing. Ford often taunted agents to keep up with him on the slopes. After failing to keep up with the President the Secret Service recruited a world class skier who would ski backwards in front of the President and “wave as the President tried to catch up with him.”
Betty Ford did suffer from alcoholism but eventually found sobriety and in 1982 founded the Betty Ford Center, which has aided over 90,000 people with a network of treatment centers for alcohol and chemical dependency.
Jimmy Carter was a complete phony who had disdain for the Secret Service, and was very irresponsible with the “football” nuclear codes - Truth! Kessler interviewed agents assigned to Jimmy Carter, codenamed Deacon, who described Carter as a “moody and mistrustful” person who distanced himself from the agents who were sworn to protect him and his family. Agents were instructed not to speak to President Carter unless he spoke to them first. A former agent said that President Carter “tried to project the image of himself as a man of the people by carrying his own luggage when travelling. When he was running for President, Carter would carry his own bags while the press was in sight but once in private he would ask the Secret Service to carry his luggage. An agent said that when the Carters were staying at the President’s home in Plains, Georgia, the “nuclear football,” the device that the President uses to launch antiballistic missiles to protect the U.S. from a foreign launched nuclear attack was not permitted on the grounds of the Carter home. The “football” allows the President to launch counter measures within five minutes of a notification of a nuclear strike. It was kept with an agent in a military trailer in the neighboring town, Americus, which was fifteen minutes away.
Rosalyn Carter mostly did her own thing- Unproven! Although not much is written in Kessler’s book about Rosalyn Carter, other than she enjoyed a screwdriver before church on Sunday in a White House where the Carters had requested the removal of alcoholic beverages, there is no indication that she did her own thing.
Ronald Reagan was moral, honest, respectful, and dignified. The Reagan’s treated Secret Service and everyone else with respect and honor. Nancy Reagan was very nice but very protective of the President- Truth! Ronald Reagan’s codename was Rawhide and according to Kessler’s book he treated the Secret Service agents, the Air Force One Crew and the staff of maids and butlers at the White House with respect. President Reagan was known to carry a fire arm and told a former agent that it was “just in case you guys can’t do your job, I can help out.” A former agent told Kessler that when Reagan travelled on his first presidential trip to the Soviet Union he had packed a gun in his briefcase. A former staff member told Kessler that “Reagan was famous for firing up Air Force jets on behalf of children who needed transport for kidney operations.”
Kessler wrote that Nancy Reagan was very protective of her husband, oversaw his diet and all visits from the children of the President had to be cleared by her first.
George H. Bush was extremely kind, considerate and always respectful towards Secret Service agents. They took great care in making sure the agents’ comforts were taken care of and even brought them meals. Barbara Bush once gave a warm hat to a Secret Service agent while he was protecting the Bush’s at their Kennebunkport home in Maine – Truth! A former agent told Kessler that the Bush’s were very considerate of the agents sworn to protect them. The hat incident occurred while Mr. Bush was Vice President.
Bill Clinton’s term in office was one giant party, he was not trustworthy, adulterous and was only nice because he wanted everyone to like him. Hillary Clinton was another phony whose personality would change the instant cameras were near. She hated with open disdain the military and Secret Service. – Truth! A former agent told Kessler that William Jefferson Clinton, codename Eagle, was habitually one to two hours late for so many events that the agents assigned to protect him dubbed his tardiness “Clinton Standard Time.” Clinton was caught in an adulterous affair with Monica Lewinsky and the Clintons, as well as many of the staff that they brought with them to the White House considered the military as “people who couldn’t get jobs.” A former assistant pastry chef told Kessler that Hillary Clinton did not approve of maintenance work being done in the White House while they were present. An agent assigned to protect her said that when she was in front of the press she “turns it on, and when the lights are off and she’s away from the lights, she’s a totally different person.” The agent also said that she was sarcastic and angry at her staff and yelled at them.
Albert Gore was an egotistical ass, who was once overheard by his Secret Service detail lecturing his only son that he needed to do better in school or he “would end up like these guys”- Truth! Kessler wrote that every agent assigned to protect the Vice President heard the famous reprimand to Al Gore III. Gore, codenamed Sundance, told his son, “If you don’t straighten up, you won’t get into the right schools, and if you don’t get into the right schools, you could end up like these guys.” As Gore said this he motioned to the agents.
George and Laura Bush were loved by the Secret Service. The President was also the most physically “in shape” and had a very strict workout regimen. The Bushes made sure their entire administrative and household staff understood to respect and be considerate of the Secret Service. Laura Bush was one of the nicest First Ladies, if not the nicest; she never had any harsh word to say about anyone- Truth! Agents told Kessler that they “were always amazed at the difference between Bush in person and the way he came across at press conferences.” An agent assigned to George W. Bush, codenamed Trailblazer , said that although he seemed awkward in front of the microphone that he was “funny as hell,” and had an incredible sense of humor. The agents loved to run with Bush and the Secret Service assigned its best runners to keep up with him. Bad knees eventually caused President Bush to switch to a bicycle. An agent told Kessler that Laura Bush had “the undying admiration of almost every agent,” and that he had not heard anything negative about her.
Barack and Michelle Obama look down on the Secret Service and hate the military. He is egotistical, cunning and untrustworthy and has temper tantrums. Michelle is a complete bitch, who hates anybody who is not black; hates the military; and looks at the Secret Service as servants- Fiction! & Unproven! According to Kessler’s book, agents said that are treated with respect by both Barack Obama, codename Renegade, and First Lady Michelle, whose codename is Renaissance. They also said that agents were twice invited “to dinner, including a party for a relative, both at his home.” The agent also said that Michelle insisted that agents call her by her first name.
There was no mention in the book of how the Obama’s felt about the military. I just watched the 1-hour Ron Kessler documentary, Tales From The Secret Service on Newsmax, that covers the history of the Secret Service, as well as Secret Service agents' perceptions of presidents and first ladies, from JFK up through Donald and Melania Trump. It also tells you the codenames of each. I was amazed that despite multiple presidential assassinations up through 1902, presidential security was just an afterthought up til then. When Abraham Lincoln was shot at the theater, there was only one city police officer assigned to protect him, and on the night of the shooting, he had left his post to get a beer ! Even after a second president (James Garfield) was assassinated in 1881, still no protection was created. And the Secret Service began protecting presidents only after McKinley was shot in 1901, and Teddy Roosevelt became president. There were no restrictions on people entering the White House grounds until the beginning of World War II. In addition, here is a list of all the first family codenames (presidents, first ladies, and their children) used by Secret Service : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Service_code_name
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. And somewhat related : RFK Jr. says DHS denied request for Secret Service protection Never mind that his father (RFK) and uncle (JFK) were both assassinated. No secret service for this presidential candidate. It's like the DHS secretary is saying: Please, assassinate this guy already. BIDEN 2024 !!
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