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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak


I linked to this so it will update as the outbreak progresses.

This became public knowledge in late December 2019. Initially it was 60-80 deaths and about 3,000 known cases.
2 days ago, it was 150 known deaths and 8,000 known cases.
Now 305 known deaths and about 14,000 known cases.

While it initially appeared that China had been forthcoming and cooperative with world health organizations from the beginning, it has been increasingly clear that China knew about this outbreak as far back as a year ago, and did not make the rest of the world aware until the epidemic ceased to remain only inside China's borders.

In fact, Chinese doctors who revealed details earlier in their social media accounts in an effort to make the Chinese public aware, were severely punished by the Chinese government, in the Chinese government's efforts to keep the Coronaviris outbreak secret as long as possible.


On the plus side, against the hyperbolic coverage in the media, Coronavirus has been fatal in a relatively small number of cases, about a 0.03% rate of death in all cases. In most cases killing those with already compromised and very fragile immune systems.

And of cases in the U.S., there are currently only 8 confirmed cases, with many hundreds of others recently arriving back from China in quarantine for up to 14 days (although for reasons I don't understand, most are only being quarantined for 3 days instead of the full potential 14 day incubation period).
And no fatalities in the U.S.
So far as I know, all the fatalities have only occurred in China, no other nation that deaths have spread to.

On the downside, there has been 1 case in the U.S. where a wife transferred it to her husband, that might indicate it is more contagious then previously believed. But as I understand it, the husband had weakened immunity, and chose to spend a lot of time exposed to his wife even when she was already symptomatic. So possibly that caused him to be infected where others would not be.


And the normal flu virus kills tens of thousands in the U.S. annually, and therefore at present would be more reasonably feared in the U.S. than Coronavirus.


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The first Coronavirus-related death to occur outside of China just happened in the Phillipines.


Coronavirus death in Philippines said to be first outside China

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A 44-year-old Chinese man visiting the Philippines is the first known fatality outside China to be linked to the coronavirus, the World Health Organization said Sunday.
The Philippine Department of Health also confirmed the death and said the man’s 38-year-old female companion remained hospitalized with the virus in Manila, according to the Associated Press.

The Philippines has enacted a temporary ban on non-Filipino travelers from China and its autonomous regions. Other countries, including the U.S., also have implemented restrictions on foreigners arriving from China in a bid to contain the spread of the virus.
The man who died in the Philippines and his companion were both from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak that has killed more than 300 people and sickened more than 14,000 in China, according to reports.
He was admitted to a hospital in Manila on Jan. 25 and developed severe pneumonia soon after, Reuters reported.

Both he and the woman arrived in the Philippines after traveling through Hong Kong on Jan. 21, Philippine health officials said.
In recent days the man’s condition had been stable “and showed signs of improvement,” but worsened in the hours leading up to his death, Health Secretary Francisco Duque said.

“We are currently working with the Chinese embassy to ensure the dignified management of the remains according to national and international standards to contain the disease,” Duque said, according to Reuters.
Duque added that investigators were seeking information about the health of other passengers on the flights that the couple took to reach the Philippines.

Meanwhile, six officials in Huanggang, a city near Wuhan, have been fired for “poor performance” in addressing to coronavirus outbreak, China’s Xinhua News Agency reported.
The city’s mayor said its response has been inadequate and the officials failed to address a shortage in medical supplies, the AP reported.

Seven countries – the U.S., Australia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, the United Emirates and Vietnam – reported new cases of coronavirus on Saturday, while Spain reported its first case, the AP reported.

Britain, Russia and Sweden have also reported their first infections, according to Agence France-Presse.

The U.S., Australia, New Zealand and Israel have each banned foreigners from entering if they have been in China recently, while Russia, Mongolia and Nepal have closed land borders, AFP reported.





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As of 3 February 2020, approximately 19,843 cases have been confirmed,[4][16] including in every province-level division of China.[4] The first confirmed death occurred on 9 January[17] and since then, as of 3 February 2020, 426 deaths have been confirmed.[4] A larger number of people may have been infected, but not detected (especially mild cases).[18][19] The first local transmission of the virus outside China occurred in Vietnam from a father to his son,[20] whereas the first local transmission not involving family occurred in Germany, on 22 January, when a German man contracted the disease from a Chinese business visitor at a meeting near Munich.[21] The first death outside China was reported in the Philippines, where a 44-year-old Chinese male citizen confirmed to have contracted the coronavirus, Streptococcus pneumoniae and influenza B died on 1 February.[22][23]

In response, Chinese cities with a combined population of over 57 million people, comprising Wuhan and 15 other cities in the surrounding Hubei province, were placed on full or partial lockdown, involving the termination of all urban public transport and outward transport by train, air and long-distance buses.[24][25][26][27] Many New Year events and tourist attractions have been closed to prevent mass gatherings, including the Forbidden City in Beijing and traditional temple fairs.[28] Hong Kong also raised its infectious disease response level to the highest level and declared an emergency, closing its schools until March and cancelling its New Year celebrations.[29][30]

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(My first thought on seeing the acronym.)

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For about 2 weeks, new cases of Coronavirus in China seemed to be increasing at a lower rate and showing signs of containment. Late last night, China increased its diagnosed cases by 15,000 in a single day, with 254 deaths in a single day. Which again indicates China has not been forthcoming about how truly widespread and uncontrolled the virus is.

China still won't allow CDC medical teams into the country to see what the true situation is.

Gordon Chang, interviewed by Lou Dobbs on Monday, let on that there is panic in Chinese cities, and (video shown) of Chinese officials going into people's homes and forcibly removing infected citizens with brutal force to an internment location, likely taking them somewhere to die in mass numbers out of public view. And that the number of cases could be two, three or even ten times the official number of cases reported by China.

I've been aware for some time that virtually every product is maanufactures in Coronavirus-infected China. A great deal of our packaged food, probably only fresh fruit and vegetables are grown domestically in the U.S., or maybe Mexico. The virus could come in on other products such as hardware or lumber or electronics. Or transmitted by those who deliver these items into U.S. shipping ports.
It will cause, and already has, a cataclysmic decline in China's economy. And will likely cause a decline in the U.S. economy by about 1%. Needless to say, many U.S. businesses are very reliant on Chinese suppliers. For both health and economic reasons, more reasons to return manufacturing to the U.S., to end U.S. reliance on maanufacturing from China, and to secure our borders from illegal immigration. So as not to leave the U.S. so exposed to an outbreak, or to a break in manufacturing supply again. And likewise, thank God we are now oil-independent for the first time in 70 years. We need to be manufacturing-independent and food-independent, pharmaceuticals-independent and electronics-independent as well.

On the plus side, the disease is expected to peak and level off in new cases by April, after which the hot weather should reduce new cases. Apparently pneumonia-type viruses don't survive and spread as well in hot weather.


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I just re-watched this Vincent Price movie, The Last Man On Earth about 2 weeks ago, at the peak of the outbreak concern. At least for now, it seems to be contained with 98% of the cases in China. But a movie about a global death-plague was a little close to home when I saw it at that time.

[full movie posted and viewable on Wikipedia: ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LAST_MAN_ON_EARTH_with_Vincent_Price_1964_HD_-_CC_available.webm

Based on the novel I Am Legend by Richard Matheson, and he wrote the screenplay for the movie under a pseudonym.
Also re-made as The Omega Man in 1971 with Charleton Heston.
And again as I Am Legend in 2007 with Will Smith.

Wikipedia posts quite a few older and obscure movies online in their entirety, apparently with expired copyrights.


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President Trump is the one who made the decision to not allow any Chinese travel to the U.S., which was met with the usual rounds of "no, no, that's excessive, prejudicial, racist, etc..."

But then Trump did it anyway, protecting the nation.
And every other nation in the world followed suit. Which has done a lot to contain the virus' spread to remain about 98% within China alone. And allegedly the virus had its peak of new cases in China from Jan 23rd and Feb 2nd.
If that turns out to be true, I'll breath a deep sigh of relief when that turns out to be the case.

The only cases so far in the U.S. have been quarantined recent travelers returning from China, and the largest number of those flown back to the U.S. after having been quarantined for two weeks prior aboard a Japanese cruise ship, that in tight quarters spawned a number of cases.

And then in the last 3 days, a sudden explosion of new cases in South Korea (the largest outbreak outside China, 1,000 infected, 10 dead), in Italy (about 200 infections, and a few deaths), and Iran (like China, very unforthcoming, an estimated 95 infections and maybe 16 or more deaths). With no explanation of a clear path how the disease spread to any of these 3 nations.
If the Coronavirus outbreak is mostly in one nation, or just a few, we can prevent its spread by restricting travel to the U.S. from those nations. If it spreads to 20 or 50 or 100 nations, it gets much harder to restrict travel from that many nations.

Tucker Carlson had a rather alarming program last night (Monday, 2-24-2020), even though he was just calmly trying to present the facts of what is possible, that we should prepare for the worst, just in case. By Carlson's account, the news media across the rest of the world is very focused on Coronavirus and warning people what to do. Whereas the U.S. media is oddly silent on the subject, and fixated on another reprisal of "Russia is trying to steal the 2020 election for Trump!!" Yet another overture of the lying Trump is a Russian asset narrative.

It's chilling to think of what would be happening to this country right now if Hillary Clinton or some other establishment Republican were president the last 3 years. There would not have been a ban on Chinese travel, and there would be a lot more cases of Coronavirus in the U.S., perhaps an uncontrollable number.
And without Trump's example, other nations of the world would not have followed that example, and the Coronavirus would not be almost exclusive to China.

Likewise, Trump started a trade war with China about a year ago, and as a result, many companies formerly doing all manufacturing in China had in advance moved much of their manufacturing outside of China to nations like Vietnam, India, the Phillipines, and Indonesia. Thank God!
Under Hillary Clinton or some establishment Republican, we would still be almost 100% dependent on China as our supplier. Thanks to Trump, that dependency was vastly diminished right before this virus hit.

Also to consider, we get our surgical masks and latex gloves, our over-the-counter and prescription drugs from China. 80% of both our parmaceuticals and the ingredients they are made from are in China. Melissa Francis, Dr. Marc Seigel, and others have described this as a potential national security threat to the U.S..
What if China exhausts those supplies fighting their own outbreak, then has none to send us, and we have an outbreak without those supplies?
Likewise, the potential break in supply of electronics we now depend on from China.

As seen on Monday when the stock market crashed, closing down 1,031 points for the day, this has become not only a health crisis, but also an economic crisis.
Over the last month, it has already crippled China's economy.

Now, with the spread to South Korea, Italy and Iran, it becomes far more questionable whether the virus outbreak can be contained. From Italy with open borders to the E.U., it could easily spread to the rest of Europe. THAT is what made the stock market crash, that it will endanger trade and exports from Europe in addition to China.

And Iran, that has a terrible healthcare system and a dishonest government, is one that is most likely not to contain its outbreak and let it spread to other nations.
The more nations it spreads to, the more likely it will reach the United States. And U.S. hospitals are preparing for that risk. What some, including Anthony Fauci of the National Institute of Health, are seeing as an inevitability at some point. A vaccine for Coronavirus is forseen as about a year to 2 years away.




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February 16, 2020: Senator Cotton Joins Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo



Sen. Tom Cotton on why he's in favor of a 'targeted travel ban' to contain coronavirus


Senator Cotton has been vocal about the fact that the food market in Wuhan that is where the Coronavirus outbreak allegedly spread from animals to humans, is about 4 miles from a viral research lab. Over the weekend, Chinese propaganda media finally ran a story that said the market is NOT the source of the outbreak, but have not yet admitted it was leaked either on purpose or by accident from that lab.

Another story I saw said that test animals from the lab when their usefulness is ended, are often sold as meat secretly for extra money by lab technicians!

China still has not allowed CDC or WHO or NIH doctors in to investigate the origins of the virus, or to see China's records tracking the disease.
Sen Cotton said today that "What we see from China are not the new cases each day, but the carefully selected old cases they are willing to acknowledge." That the number of infections and deaths in China is likely far beyond what the Chinese government is willing to disclose.


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Dow tanks nearly 900 points on CDC coronavirus-led selloff

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U.S. equities tumbled for a second session amid heavy volatility that pushed the Dow Jones Industrial Average briefly below the 27,000 level.
All three of the major averages opened with modest gains but quickly rolled over into negative territory extending the previous day's losses that were brought on by the spreading of the coronavirus outside of China.

The CDC advised Americans that the disease could spread in the United States prompting a new wave of fears.
White House Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow, speaking to reporters, acknowledged that the coronavirus will hit first-quarter GDP while stressing it is too soon to evaluate the full impact.

The selling on Tuesday follows Monday's drop which was the steepest decline for equities in two years
As money flowed out of stocks, investors bought U.S. Treasurys. The yield on the 10-year note closed down 4.9 basis points at a record low 1.328 percent, a sign of a flight to safety.

CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK INTENSIFIES RECESSION WORRIES

The equity selling follows Monday's rout as the Dow Jones Industrial Average and S&P 500 fell more than 3 percent to their biggest losses in two years while the Nasdaq endured its largest decline since December 2018.
Updated figures from the World Health Organization show the coronavirus has infected 79,331 people worldwide while killing 2,618.

Looking at stocks, drugmakers working on treatments for the coronavirus, including Gilead Sciences and Novavax continued to gain ground while airlines and cruise operators recouped some of their losses.



"published 18 minutes ago." Wow, this press conference must have just ended!


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Coronavirus fits criteria for 'Disease X,' WHO expert says

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The novel coronavirus has sickened over 80,000 people worldwide and killed at least 2,700, across 35 countries, leading one expert to say that it fits the criteria for “Disease X,” a designated placeholder on the World Health Organization’s (WHO) list of illnesses that have potential to reach international epidemic levels.

AUSTRIA, CROATIA CONFIRM FIRST CORONAVIRUS CASES

“Disease X is a term that was coined by WHO,” Marion Koopmans, a member of WHO’s emergency committee, and head of viroscience at Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, told Fox News. “After the Ebola crisis in West Africa, they did an in-depth evaluation on what went wrong, and the so-called R&D blueprint for emerging disease was developed.”

“Disease X” was added to WHO’s “Prioritizing diseases for research and development in emergency contexts” list of illnesses that includes Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF), Ebola and Marburg virus disease, Lassa Fever, MERS, SARS, Nipah and henipaviral diseases, Rift Valley fever and Zika.
“There [are] a number of diseases on that list that we know, but also ‘Disease X,'” she told Fox News. “That is meant to alert the world to think about how to prepare for these diseases.”

IRAN'S CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE HEAD CONTRACTS ILLNESS AS COUNTRY'S DEATH TOLL HITS 15

Under its definition, the health agency noted that “Disease X represents the knowledge that a serious international epidemic could be caused by a pathogen currently unknown to cause human disease, and so the R&D Blueprint explicitly seeks to enable cross-cutting R&D preparedness that is also relevant for an unknown ‘Disease X’ as far as possible.”
COVID-19, as it’s been named by WHO, “fits the Disease X category,” Koopmans wrote in the journal Cell last week.

According to Koopmans, it’s the first time a disease fits the criteria for “Disease X” since the blueprint was created in 2016.
Koopmans said the blueprint helps the agency think ahead to what possible threats may be looming so that it can better prepare to handle a widespread pandemic or outbreak. It also helps the agency prepare for funding needs and ways to fast-track vaccine development.

And while the agency declined to label the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic on Monday, Koopmans said that it has little relevance as to whether it would qualify as “Disease X.”
“Pandemic simply means there is global widespread circulation,” she said. “The blueprint diseases can also be a disease with regional major impact.”

The outbreak has seen a number of unprecedented shutdowns and quarantines across the globe, with China first cutting off Wuhan, the virus epicenter, in an effort to stop the spread. Elsewhere, those returning from coronavirus-hit regions have been under 14-day quarantine periods while airlines have suspended routes to the disease hotspots.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the past few weeks have demonstrated “just how quickly a new virus can spread around the world and cause widespread fear and disruption.”
Still, as new countries report cases of coronavirus, experts caution that not every case may stem from China.

“Many different countries around the world may be sources of COVID-19 infections,” Mark Woolhouse, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh, told The Associated Press. “This makes it much harder for any one country to detect and contain.”


That last paragraaph I take to mean, while Coronavirus may have originated from China, it is now widespread enough that a new outbreak could come from any number of nations.

"Published 4 hours ago".

Apparently the health agencies chose today to tell America that this is headed here. This is terrifying.

And the stock market that was making a mild recovery predictably tanked immediately.


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Needless to say, the stock market had another precipitous drop yesterday (Tuesday) as well. The last two days combined are the stock market's largest two-day drop ever, wiping away the entire gains of the last year.

A $1.7 trillion loss in 2 days. Currently the Dow is only down about 150 points down.

And with previous scares for outbreaks of Ebola or Sars, the market losses were completely regained within 6 months.


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Probably time for Trump to stop tweeting about how great the stock market is and get his fat ass in gear for the very likely event of the virus hitting the US.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Probably time for Trump to stop tweeting about how great the stock market is and get his fat ass in gear for the very likely event of the virus hitting the US.


Uh...

 Originally Posted By: WB
President Trump is the one who made the decision to not allow any Chinese travel to the U.S., which was met with the usual rounds of "no, no, that's excessive, prejudicial, racist, etc..."

But then Trump did it anyway, protecting the nation.
And every other nation in the world followed suit. Which has done a lot to contain the virus' spread to remain about 98% within China alone.



If it were President Hillary Clinton instead of Trump, this Coronavirus would already be raging out of control across the United States, and across many other nations who followed Trump's example by stopping Chinese flights to their countries as well.

Now gee, what a surprise, when Trump proposes $2.5 billion to fight Coronavirus and find a vaccine, Sen. Chuck Schumer and other Democrats raise a panic that it's not enough. I trust Trump a lot more than I trust the knife-in-the-back treacherous Democrats who hate America and would have let 20,000 passengers a day from China keep pouring in, just to not look "racist".

I commend the mayors of San Francisco and New York City (both Democrats) for taking extra preparatory measures in their cities. But certainly Trump's preventive measures are much more than you and the vicious partisans leading your party give him credit for.


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yes you tried painting a turd. It’s still a turd that tweeted about the stock market being great while it’s plummeting. Obvious foolish lies doesn’t stop a virus.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Probably time for Trump to stop tweeting about how great the stock market is and get his fat ass in gear for the very likely event of the virus hitting the US.


You know what would be a great reaction to the virus? Closing the borders and restricting immigration.

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Trump reaction:

Common sense measures to contain the virus and keep it out of the U.S.
It is not inevitable that there will be widespread outbreak in the U.S., but it makes sense to restrict travel from infected nations, and to have hospitals prepare in advance for the worst if it happens.


Democrat reaction:

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!! And despite that Trump has done more to prevent spread of Coronavirus from China than any other president would have, if any outbreaks occur in the U.S., it's President Trump's fault personally, and he was somehow negligent.




Remind me again: Which party is it that wants open borders, and has done everything in its powers to undermine Trump's securing of the borders? And called any attempt to restrict travel in protection of the United States "racist"?



Oh. Yeah.





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I think it goes without saying trump people are very comfortable with his lies but reality is all the stock market gains are now erased, income inequality has never been greater and health care just became the major issue. Oh and Pence is now in charge of the virus.


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Btw, one safe prediction in all this, Trump will blame Obama for this somehow.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I think it goes without saying trump people are very comfortable with his lies but reality is all the stock market gains are now erased, income inequality has never been greater and health care just became the major issue. Oh and Pence is now in charge of the virus.


The Democrats are truly the party that is built on lies. Every week you guys have a new lying narrative, and every week you don't even blink when it is thoroughly disproven, and you eagerly buy into whatever this week's lying narrative is, until that one is disproven.

It stands to reason that the U.S. stock market would decline, as stock markets worldwide are declining as a direct result of the Coronavirus panic. Trump is only doing his job as president, to minimize unnecessary panic, and give assurance that the situation is being haandled. Even as the vicious Democrats try to weaponize it to hurt Trump.

Pence, as you may know, was previously governor of Indiana, and so has administrative experience, and administering healthcare in his state. Pence has also been administering the Space Force and has gotten good reviews in administering that. Also, while Pence is in charge, he has healthcare professionals who are doctors as his subordinates. Doesn't it make sense to have someone who is second only to the president in charge of something this important?

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Btw, one safe prediction in all this, Trump will blame Obama for this somehow.


I believe the whole world is blaming the Chinese, who knew about this outbreak for at least 2 months, before informing the rest of the world, and only at that point because it had already spread to other nations, and they could no longer hide it. And China still won't allow in doctors from CDC, WHO, and NIH to study the virus and track its origins. I saw Dr. Fauci today of the NIH say we've learned a great deal more from aiding against the outbreak in South Korea in the last few days than we learned from the secretive and uncooperative Chinese.

Trump has only pointed out that Obama had cut CDC/NIH preparedness for an outbreak, that Trump strenthened soon after his inauguration in 2017. And Trump only drew attention to that in answer to the vicious lying Dems who had already politicized the Coronavirus situation and already tried to blame Trump.

Please explain to me why Sen. Schumer said $2.5 billion Trump had authorized to fight the Coronavirus outbreak was not enough, and why Schumer said 8 billion was needed. Based on what hard statistical numbers?
It's a number Schumer just pulled out of his ass based on nothing, to posture and say Trump was not doing enough. Trump has already done much more than a president Hillary Rodent Clinton would do. Hillary, or any of the 2020 Bolshevik candidates, would have left 20,000 Chinese tourists a day streaming into this country to infect the rest of America. And done nothing to control even more contagion from coming in through millions of illegals across our Southern border.
Because of Trump, illegal crossings are down 90%, and Trump has *ENDED* "catch-and-release"!

As opposed to the 2020 Democrats, the party who hates America, who would de-criminalize illegal immigrants, and thus guarantee millions more would enter, including millions with Coronavirus. Not to mention all the other diseases illegals have been bringing for decades. And gangs. And drug traffickers. And rapists, drunk drivers and other criminals who prey on U.S. citizens. If given the opportunity, your party would set them loose to burn this country to the ground. Even now Dems are trying every day to destroy the security Trump has achieved in spite of Democrat obstruction.




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More money was in play for previous dangers like Avian Flu in the past. I think it’s stupid to now come up with a much smaller amount of funding for a virus that seems to be spreading much faster. But Trump’s low ball number was made when he was talking about the stock market being good while it was plummeting. His efforts to downplay this threat is going to cost us dearly. And instead of leadership we get the usual partisan tantrums from a truly unfit pos.

And under Obama we actually had a capacity that was working in other countries including China in trying to prevent something like this happening. All that dwindled under Trump.


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As for “smoking doesn’t kill” Pence, I read how he treated hiv in his state. He’s already proven he can make a bad situation worse.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
More money was in play for previous dangers like Avian Flu in the past. I think it’s stupid to now come up with a much smaller amount of funding for a virus that seems to be spreading much faster. But Trump’s low ball number was made when he was talking about the stock market being good while it was plummeting. His efforts to downplay this threat is going to cost us dearly. And instead of leadership we get the usual partisan tantrums from a truly unfit pos.

And under Obama we actually had a capacity that was working in other countries including China in trying to prevent something like this happening. All that dwindled under Trump.



The way Trump spent half of what Hillary Clinton did, but still won the 2016 election in an electoral landslide victory?
Throwing more money at the problem doesn't necessarily mean choosing the most effective strategy. I don't observe that CDC or NIH are clamoring for more money than Trump is proposing. It seems to me that Democrats are just throwing out another lying narrative with nothing to back it up.

AGAIN: What are the detailed proposals that warrant $8 billion, rather than Trump's proposed $2.5 billion?
It's just Democrat lying damagoguery, with no science or statistical facts to back it up.

Or as pundit Larry Elder termed it, "an even greater outbreak of TDS: Trump Derangement Syndrome".


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You’re the one doing the lying WB if your trying to make this just a democrat thing. I watched republican elected officials having some of the same questions and misgivings about this administration’s preparedness for this virus. It’s not just democrats that are concerned and that have legitimate criticisms. When you have shitbags like Trump and his shills out and out lying about the stock market doing well and asking people to turn off their tv’s, that to me is indefensible and stupid.


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As the virus spreads in this country Pence defends Trump jr’s despicable comments about democrats wanting coronavirus. This administration can still find new lows.


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That’s what you pick out with everything that’s going on?


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I think a recession is pretty much guaranteed btw. Trump already had the feds taking almost everything it could do to prop up his economy plus the huge deficit spending that is always okay with republicans if they have the WH.


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What I see is even the New York Times saying Trump did the right thing by suspending all flights from China. That "while civil rights activists look down on restricting flights, it was unquestionably the right thing to do."


And I'm so sure that if Trump did all the things that the Democrat/Left says he should have done, they'd all be singing his praises now at how extraordinarily well Trump had handled the Coronavirus situation...


Not a chance in hell. No matter what Trump does, the Democrats and liberal media will rail on him. Despite that Trump has already done way more to protect the U.S. from an outbreak than any Democrat would do, by simply suspending flights and securing our southern border.

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I think a recession is pretty much guaranteed btw. Trump already had the feds taking almost everything it could do to prop up his economy plus the huge deficit spending that is always okay with republicans if they have the WH.


\:lol\:

Yet another demonstration of how much the Democrats hate America. They're praying for a recession, they're praying for a Coronavirus outbreak, anything to prevent Trump from being elected. No matter how much it hurts millions of Americans. The people the Democrats pretend to care about.


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I’m not praying for horrible stuff to happen. The sad truth is that is what you want to be true. You stopped seeing me as a fellow countryman but an enemy that you and other republicans were at war with a while back. So you dehumanize the other side with shit like Trump’s son spouted and phony Christian Pence defended. In your world it’s good and evil is one party vs the other and criticism of Trump being automatically evil. Your own words betray your moral weakness. I gave up on you being a better person a while back too but it’s sad to see you keep sinking further.

Do you honestly think at this point a recession is probably likely? I don’t think it’s all that crazy. And I think it’s fairer than when Trump called Obama’s economy a bubble that ended up being most of this country’s longest period of economic growth in history.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I’m not praying for horrible stuff to happen. The sad truth is that is what you want to be true.


You reflexively try to destroy President Trump at every turn, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge anything he does right. Obviously that includes hoping for a Coronavirus outbreak, just to rationalize that it was somehow Trump's fault and he made a bad decision, to weaponize and defeat him politically.
I've repeatedly cited all the things Trump has done to protect us from Coronavirus that no other president would have done.

"Pocahantas" Elizabeth Warren wants to take away money from the border wall to fund Coronavirus protections! That's essentially keeping out air flights of the Coronavirus-infected, while welcoming the infected across our southern border. Insane.

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You stopped seeing me as a fellow countryman but an enemy that you and other republicans were at war with a while back.


I actually still like you and think you're a nice guy, M E M, I just think you have blinders on and absolutely refuse to process the truth.
I'm pretty clear that it's your side that has declared TOTAL WAR on the Republican party and on Trump supporters. It is YOUR side that is completely intolerant and unwilling to work bipartisanly. It is YOUR side that is attacking Trump supporters in the streets by the hundreds in incidents almost daily.
DONT'EVEN TRY to lie and reverse that as if it were happening in the other direction.

As I've said repeatedly, in 2008 and 2012, Republicans selected as their candidate the most bipartisan, moderate and milquetoast candidates they could possibly pick. Even George W. Bush before running in 2000 had a clear record of bipartisan legislation with Texas legislators while he was governor of Texas. Bush's vote for war against IIraq in Sept 2002 was bipartisanly passed. Likewise his S-CHIP, No Child Left Behind, and Prescription Drug plan, among others, all bipartisan. But Bush was still railed on by these same Democrats as "right wing", "warmonger", and "racist".

John McCain in particular was a hero to the Democrats for the way he consistently attacked W. Bush and other Republicans. Whomod here in 2004 used to say "If only the Republicans would run someone moderate, someone like John McCain..." But as soon as McCain was the candidate in 2008, your side demonized him as "right wing", "warmonger", "extreme", and of course, "RACIST!"

Romney likewise was very bipartisan as governor of Massaachusetts and passed Romneycare. Democrats in Massachusetts, and in the media, had virtually nothing negative to say about Romney while governor. Only when he became a presidential candidate did he morph in their narrative into an evil righ guy. Suddenly now "right wing", "vulture capitalist", and of course, "racist".

Even in the case of Donald Trump, this is a guy who spent his life as a New York liberal, and only changed his party from Democrat to Republican a week before he announced his candidacy. Trump is not an ideological Republican or right-winger, he is a pragmatist, that Democrats, if they were not so vicious, could have negotiated with and gotten a lot of what they wanted. It is YOUR SIDE who declared TOTAL WAR on Trump, and now bemoans the level of acrimony and uncivility, THAT THEY THEMSELVES CAUSED!


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So you dehumanize the other side with shit like Trump’s son spouted and phony Christian Pence defended. In your world it’s good and evil is one party vs the other and criticism of Trump being automatically evil. Your own words betray your moral weakness. I gave up on you being a better person a while back too but it’s sad to see you keep sinking further.


Democrats can be good people who make bad decisions. And the best in your party I think will eventually realize they've been on the wrong side, and eventually side with the Republicans who are trying to save the country. Many Democrats who made a bad decision in 2016 will be persuaded by Trump's accomplishments since 2016, and be part of the wave that will re-elect him in 2020.

But certainly, there are those among the Democrats who are truly evil, and eagerly slander opponents to destroy the country, out of 1) marxist-driven HATRED for the country, or 2) for their own cynical political gain, regardless of the damage to the country they cause. In the marxist evil category I would place the Clintons and the Obamas, William Ayers, Houma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, Jennifer Palmieri. These are the true believers who want to topple this country in a revolution. And Bernie Sanders.

In the the second category of more pragmatic cynical Machievelliaan politics, Joseph Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Rahm Emmanuel.

But the results of their destructive tactics lead to the same damage to the country.
As do their dupes among the Democrat grassroots.


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Do you honestly think at this point a recession is probably likely? I don’t think it’s all that crazy. And I think it’s fairer than when Trump called Obama’s economy a bubble that ended up being most of this country’s longest period of economic growth in history.


I think you are again cheering on a recession that is not a sure thing or even likely, just as a way for Dems to weaken and defeat Trump, at the cost of tens of millions of working Americans. There is a great possibility that when the hotter months come, the Coronavirus will just run its course and disappear the way SARS or Anthrax or Ebola outbreaks have. And Coronavirus has by far a far less ratio of lethal cases. Even in undeveloped countries, a fatality rate of about 2 to 3%. I saw a CDC doctor on TV say that with superior medical care here, that ratio could be less than 1% in the U.S.
And even at its worst, most health officials and doctors predit that Coronavirus will kill far less people than the normal flu will, that kills between 18,000 and 80,000 people worldwide every year world. Like with the regular flu, it tends to kill people who 1) have previously existing respiratory problems, 2) have diabetes or other circulatory problems, 3) are obese, or 4) are elderly, infants or otherwise have fragile immune systems.

Regarding Trump's comments on Twitter, I don't endorse everything Trump does, and while I like that he posts on Twitter as a way to circumnavigate media bias aagainst him, I still think he posts at times in a self-defeating way, or re-Tweeting things in error, or just insults in poor taste. Sometimes the insults are warranted, other times not, and reflect badly on him.

But certainly Trump is not the first president to at times say callous, inaccurate or inappropriate things, whether on Twitter or in front of the press.

For example with Obama:

"The police acted stupidly..",
or "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon...",
or "You didn't build that...".

Or people who voted in primaries for Hillary and not him in 2016: "clinging to their guns and religion and their antipathy toward others not like them."
Note that Obama portrayed Democrat white voters in Pennsylvania and West Virginia like that, as white racist. But didn't portray Puerto Rico voters a week or so later that way when they similarly chose Hillary Clinton over him. Why were Puerto Ricans not labelled the same by him for not choosing a black candidate? Making clear it was a calculated lie by Obama for political gain.

Even in his early post-college days working for ACORN, training classrooms of ACORN "community organizer" marxist street agitators in Alinsky tactics, others at ACORN recognized Obama as the "unchalleged master" of Alinsky Rules For Radicals tactics of racial demagoguery and stoking racial anger for Leftist organizational purposes. DECEPTION. These are precisely the destructive tactics Obama's comments as president stoked.

What Trump commented on in Twiiter posts when Obama was president at least was based on facts, that Obama's policies were punishing toward business and strangled economic growth, and stifled what under any other president than Obama would have been a far greater rate of economic recovery.
Obama's was the weakest economic recovery since the Great Depression, despite Obama throwing trillions of bailout taxpayer dollars at the problem. A lot of the "growth" that Obama and the Dems claimed in the latter half of Obama's 8 years is by ignoring the 5 million jobs that disappeared in Obama's first term. A lot of the economic "growth" of Obama's term was just digging America out of the 5 million-job-loss ditch of his first term.
So Obama didn't "create 8 million jobs in just 4 years", he drove the economy down to levels approaching depression, and when the economy had nowhere else to go but up, some of those jobs came back, in spite of Obama's economic growth-killing policies. Obama also counted temporary jobs like census workers as "jobs created" when in truth they were government-subsidized jobs that only lasted a few weeks.

In any case, Trump's Twitter comments predicting downturn under Obama's presidency wasn't saying anything that a lot of Wall Street investment pundits on TV and in print weren't already saying. And Trump was a private citizen who had no plans to run for president at the time, that campaaign still being years away from even the planning stages. So a bit more leeway should be given to a wealthy private citizen who was not a political leader, vs. comments by both Obama and Trump at the time they became candidates or presidents.

Some of the bombast that wealthy private citizen Trump was known to say for decades, before he became a political candidate, were thrown back in his face when he became a candidate. He was a private citizen with enormous power who could say pretty much anything and get away with it. But once he became a presidential candidate, these comments became unacceptable, and I think it took Trump a while to realize he couldn't get away with voicing outrageous comments as a candidate the way he could as a private citizen.

And Mayor Bloomberg is experiencing the same thing now, that things he said as a wealthy private citizen, or even got away with as mayor, were suddenly unacceptable in a presidential candidate. And were actually far more repulsive, sexist and racist than the worst things dredged up that Trump had said. Not to mention 30 or so sexual harassment lawsuits, women all paid off by Bloomberg, with a gag order on disclosing any of the details. In a "woke" me-too Democrat party, that proved to be his downfall.



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Despite that I live in Florida, it's very frustrating that both national and local news only say "two, three, four people in Florda have tested positive for Coronavirus". And for roughly a week now, never details of who or where in the state. Only with a google search did I find any details:

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-residents-diagnosed-with-coronavirus/31246789

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ORLANDO, Fla. —
Another presumptive positive case of the coronavirus in Florida has brought the number of in-state patients to four, along with five other Floridians who are recovering in other states.

Gov. Ron DeSantis announced the third presumptive positive coronavirus case in an in-state resident. The man is in his 70s and lives in Santa Rosa County. The governor said the man had been traveling internationally.

According to the Florida Department of Health website, two other infected Florida residents are in the state, one in Hillsborough County and the other in Manatee County. Another person with the virus in Hillsborough County is not a Florida resident, officials said.

Five Florida residents have been diagnosed with the virus outside of the state.

Health officials said there are 69 pending test results in Florida and 248 people being monitored.
There are more than 95,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in 79 countries and territories, according to the World Health Organization. More than 3,200 people have died worldwide

There are more than 160 U.S. cases of coronavirus, CNN reports and those numbers are expected to rise.
The U.S. death toll stands at 11 — 10 in Washington State and 1 in California.



It's likely that those in other states outside California, Oregon, Washington and New York are, like me, seeing coverage of Coronavirus in their own states eclipsed by the larger outbreak in these most heavily-hit states.

Those three counties are all in the Tampa/Clearwater area, on the West side of Florida. Even as a resident of Florida, I had to look at a map to see where those counties were.

Amid the panic and hype that the media are stirring, while they say "95,000 cases worldwide" it was only Lou Dobbs that I saw (last night) emphasize that over 51,000 infected have alreaddy fully recovered.

The virus seems to not affect young people, and to badly affect people with immune deficiencies and/or the elderly. And in all these cases in Florida, it appears to stem from travel outside the country, or to other areas of the U.S. with Coronavirus infection cases.

In the case of Oregon, 9 of the 10 cases that resulted in death occurred at one elderly nursing home. That healthcare workers are among those at most risk for the virus, and also the likely carriers to their infirm patients.

It's disturbing that high-ranking officials in the Iranian government have died of the disease.
Also several doctors in China, including the doctor who first sounded the alarm on Coronavirus in China on social media. I consider it entirely possible that while under arrest, he was deliberately infected by the Chinese to silence him. Although he clearly dealt closely with Corona-infected patients well before he was arrested.

I wish the media, if not disclosing the identity of those infected in the U.S., would at least give some personal details about those infected: their age and gender, what if any health problems they had prior, whether they are retired, or working in what profession, and where they had recently travelled to. These details, while not compromising their identities, would at least give the entire public knowledge of what precautions to take to avoid infection.

I saw a guy interviewed on Laura Ingraham last night who was infected and made a full recovery. And that both he and his family have been getting death threats. The only rationale I can think of for that is if people thought he had purposely lied, deliberately hidden that he was infected, and deliberately put others at risk of infection. In his case, I think he was completely honest and didn't put others at risk.
But a week ago, I saw an elderly New York Jewish lady who was flown back from a cruise ship in Japan, and she admitted on camera that her and her husband knew they were infected before boarding the plane to the U.S., and that they both lied just to get out of Japan and back to the U.S., and in doing so put everyone aboard the plane at risk of infection. That pissed me off, just watching the story. She deserves death threats.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

There's a table comparing various outbreaks to the current one. The 2019-2020 outbreak listed is not Coronavirus, but the regular seasonal outbreak, which is expected to far surpass the Coronavirus "CoVid-19" outbreak. Currently about 2,900 Coronavirus deaths, vs. an expected 80,000 deaths from the regular flu virus.

It's also been pointed out by Dr. Marc Siegel that with the 2009 "Swine Flu" outbreak, there were about 20,000 infections in the U.S. and 1,000 deaths in the U.S. before then-president Barack Obama even began to take steps to contain the outbreak. Relative to that, the media coverage and panic certainly is eexhibiting a double-standard relative to how an even greater outbreak was covered under Obama, under a president who did a lot less to contain the threat, and a lot less to proactively prevent its outbreak from China into the U.S.

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Trump is trying to downplay this and crossing into actually misinforming the public in dangerous ways.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump is trying to downplay this and crossing into actually misinforming the public in dangerous ways.


I realize this is the lying narrative you and your party are trying to sell, yes.
It remains a fact that Trump's early ban on Chinese flights to the U.S. (set in place while your party was still trying to maaliciously impeach him without evidence) has prevented tens of thousands of new infections in the U.S.
And Trump has been far more proactive than presidents during either the 2003 SARS outbreak, or the 2009 Swine flu outbreak.
As I said prior, Obama didn't even begin preventive measures until 20,000 in the U.S. were infected with Swine Flu, and 1,000 were dead already. Comparatively, there are currently about 150 infected with Covid-19, and 12 dead, 11 of the 12 in one nursing home in the Seattle area.

Draw your own conclusions. My conclusion is it's another lying Democrat narrative conspired to damage Trump. Even if the evil bastards in your party hurt the country even more in the process.

How can Trump "misinform" when it is NIH and CDC that are doing daily press briefings?
To manufacture panic, Democrats were lyingly alleging that NIH director, Dr. Anthony Fauci was being restrained and silenced, that Fauci himself quickly corrected to say was absolutely untrue, that there was no restraaint on his daily public statements of the known Coronavirus facts.





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There isn’t a lying narrative in having valid criticism over Trump’s almost daily bouts of misinformation on coronavirus. You tell me how it’s good that Trump lies and says anybody can get tested if they want when even Pence is saying we don’t have enough kits?

And Obama declared an emergency when just 20 people in this country were infected with something that had a much lower mortality rate than this virus. Oh and guess what your rotten pieces of garbage like Hannity were doing while this country was fighting H1N1?

“ And what were Sean Hannity and other right-wing media figures doing at the time? They were waging a serious misinformation campaign about the H1N1 flu, the vaccine, and the Obama administration’s response to it. For example, radio host Rush Limbaugh speculated that the administration was “hyping the number” of cases in order to “sell health care” — referring to the administration’s efforts to pass the Affordable Care Act.

At the time, Hannity fearmongered that a committee recommendation of the priority list in case of vaccine shortages amounted to government rationing against seniors, which had been a common right-wing scare tactic during the passage of the Affordable Care Act. (In the specific case of the H1N1 flu, seniors were less at risk in comparison to young children.)

And even while warning of vaccine shortages and rationing, Hannity in October 2009 hosted anti-vaccine radio personality Deirdre Imus, who insisted it was “misinformation” that the vaccine was even safe to begin with.

The same month, Limbaugh also publicly boasted that he wasn’t getting the vaccine, defiantly stating, “Screw you, Miss [HHS Secretary Kathleen] Sebelius. I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must.” He also gave voice to conspiracy theories from Louis Farrakhan that the vaccine might have been developed just to kill people.

I think you know you’re actually the one with the lying narrative WB .


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A tweet from a real leader...

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”Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the @CDCgov and local health authorities. Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science.”

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