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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.html


Trump could win while he's sitting in a jail cell!


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I've actually seen that discussed, that even if Trump were convicted and sentenced to prison, he could still serve as president from jail.
And millions nationwide would overwhelmingly support him doing this, because the prosecutions are so clearly partisan abuse of federal agencies, so clearly deep state persecution of Trump.

No person in legal history of the United States, no mafia figure, no war criminal, no terrorist, no serial killer, has been as abused and mistreated in malicious prosecution as Trump is right now.

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Originally Posted by Lothar of The Hill People
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.html


Trump could win while he's sitting in a jail cell!

Niw we'll find out.


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The law didn’t force Trump to have sex with a porn star and then pay hush money to keep her quiet before an election. There was a time this would have been a problem for a candidate for our highest office. After Jan 6 I already know his supporters will support him no matter what. It’s also unlikely that Trump will see jail time for this as he will certainly appeal. That will take years.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The law didn’t force Trump to have sex with a porn star and then pay hush money to keep her quiet before an election. There was a time this would have been a problem for a candidate for our highest office. After Jan 6 I already know his supporters will support him no matter what. It’s also unlikely that Trump will see jail time for this as he will certainly appeal. That will take years.

You mean the porn star (Stormy Daniels) who wrote and signed a sworn written affidavitt that she did NOT have sexual relations with Trump?
And further received $160,000 in payment in a non-disclosure agreement with Trump. (And actually, an agreement with attorney Michael Cohen, by all evidence without even Trump's knowledge, and Trump just reimbursed Cohen for legal expenses AFTER the fact, AFTER the election.
And an utterly disreputable Michael Cohen further lied about legal expenses, to embezzle a further $60,000 from Trump. ("Were you lying then Mr. Cohen, or are you lying now?")


Likewise Stormy Daniels (a k a, Melanie Clifford) who first met Donald Trump in 2006, and was trying to cozy up to Trump to get a spot on Trump's The Apprentice program.
And it was only AFTER she was denied a slot (for her slit) on The Apprentice tha she said to others that she was going to make money off Trump somehow, and amid a published book, plus a "Let's make America horny again" travelling stripper tour nationwide, plus selling Stormy Daniels merchandise exploiting her implied sex withTrump.
And somewhere along the line making allegations that she had a sexual relationship with Trump, said by her MUCH LATER, when she'd exhausted her other exploitations of her alleged tryst wih Trump, at hat point then looking for a way to extort money from Trump directly.

As I said before, I initially believed Trump had slept with Stormy Daniels.
But as the evidence has come out of Stormy Daniels' consistent manipulative behavior over he last 2 decades, and her spiteful attitude and manipulation of many others (her ex-husband described her as a "complete psychopath"), and that it was only AFTER she had been rejected as a contestant on The Apprentice that she ever began to allege she had a sexual relationship of any kind with Trump.
At first alleging that she had a CONSENSUAL relationship with Trump (videotaped in an interview years ago).
And years later in court, that Trump FORCED himself on her. (AGAIN a case of : "Were you lying then, Ms. Clifford, or are you lying now?")

Add to that how, in addition to other other well documented cons and treachery on her part, how Stormy Daniels is a hyper-partisan Democrat who has many times said she would say ANYTHING to prevent Trump from being elected.

If Trump had actually slept with Stormy Daniels, he would have just given her a spot right away on he Apprentice.
That he didn't, it seems clear to me that Trump decided she wasn't worth the grief, seeing that she was of a type he had dealt with before, a type that would spitefully allege untrue things just to exploit him later, if he let her get too close. So I think he didn't have sex with her, and she has ever since been exploiting a false "Trump had sex with me" card to the hilt.
It is a FACT she has changed her story a dozen times over in the last 18 years, so she, like Michael Cohen, is completely unbelievable, and has spiteful greed/extortion motivation to accuse Trump. And also a vindictive partisan political reason to accuse Trump.

Re: "The law didn’t force Trump to have sex with a porn star and then pay hush money to keep her quiet before an election. "

PROVE this is true.
You can't. You are just a Leftist partisan who is eager to accept any slander that damages Trump and lets your Democrat-Bolshevik party win in 2024.
Despite the collossal contraddictions in the stories of Melanie Clifford/Stormy Daniels, and Michael Cohen who has been repeatedly found guily of perjury and other crimes.
Not made-up crimes hat no one has ever been prosecuted before as in the cases against Trump, but ACTUAL crimes, such as tax evasion, ebezzlementt, and business fraud with hiss cab business.

Re: " There was a time this would have been a problem for a candidate for our highest office."

lol lol lol

Ohhh, you sound so, SO principled !!
Uh... BILL CLINTON? Ted Kennedy, JFK, RFK, LBJ, FDR ?!?
Barney Frank?
Gerry Studds?
We've had this conversation before. For you, sexual affairs are only an issue when they involve REPUBLICANS, only then are they a shameful and terrible thing that should remove a siting political leader, or disqualify a new candidate from gaining office, no matter how unproven (Donald Trump, Herman Cain, Roy Moore, Brett Kavanaugh).
Your hypocrisy is on full display.

And you can't prove that Trump or any of the other Republicans I listed are guilty of anything.
The Democrat-Bolsheviks always convict them in the court of public opinion, NOT in an actual court.

In the case of Juan Merchan's court, that is so obviously a rigged trial, where the judge selected a partisan jury in an ultra-partisan venue, a judge who conducted he trial in a hyper-partisan way, who "sustained" every prosecution objection, "over-ruled" and shut down every Trump defense objection and presentation of witnesses and exculpatory evidence (PRIME EXAMPLE: testimony by Michael Cohen's former attorney Robert Costello) , with a hyper-partisan Alvin Bragg as prosecutor.
A trial rigged at every turn with suppressed evidence and suppressed facts, NOT a fair trial, a clearly Soviet-style show trial.
As the highest legal scholars Jonathan Turley and Alan Dershowitz and many others have said.
Alan Dershowitz further said "it was the weakest case I've seen prosecuted in 60 years of law practice."

And just today, a post on he court's website reveals a juror revealed to him, posted a day in advance of the verdict, that the jury would convict Trump, which apparently this person and his "friend" on the jury gleefully celebrated.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny...case-family-member-before-guilty-verdict
Which once confirmed, will result in throwing out he verdict, WITH PREJUDICE. Because the thing has been so corrupt from start to finish.





But when sexual allegations involve Democrat poliical leaders ...PERFECTLY FINE. Nothing to see here.

30 years after Bill and Hillary Clinton were in office, none of the major [liberal] networks have ever even given an interview to any of Bill Clinton's accusers.

I loved during a Trump / Hillary debate in 2020, how these 3 women accusers of Bill Clinton were seated right up front in the debate audience, to shake up Hillary Clinton, because she was as guilty as Bill in covering up the rapes and assaults, and no one worked harder to destroy the lives, credibility and reputations of husband Bill's victims. NOT because Hillary ever believed these women were lying, but just to crush anyone who got in the way of her and Bill's political ambitions, no mater how wronged these woman were by Bill and Hillary.

Re: "After Jan 6 I already know his supporters will support him no matter what. It’s also unlikely that Trump will see jail time for this as he will certainly appeal. That will take years."

The January 6th fake narrative by Democrats was a counter-narrative created to gloss over and hide the ACTUAL "insurrecttion" that occurred in about 600 cities nationwide due to the Democrat/Left's orchestrated George Floyd / Black Lives Matter /Antifa protests, attempting to sweep away that ACTUAL insurrection under a FAKE January 6th narrative, where no one was killed by protesters, and no buildings were looted and burned on January 6th.

Aside from officer Brian Sicknick (age 42) who the coroner told his brother that Sicknick (who by the way, was a Trump supporter who wrote his congressman opposing the Jan 2020 impeachment) died of a stroke from natural causes.
The four others who died on Jan 6th are argued to have all been killed by Democrat-Bolshevik police excessive force.

UNARMED Ashli Babbitt (age 35) was shot for no reason by a Capitol Police Lieutenant (Michael Byrd).

The remaining three, Rosanne Boyland (34), Kevin Greeson (55), and Benjamin Philips (50) , all had pre-diagnosed fragile health conditions, and on Jan 6th were struck over and over by concussion grenades by police (or by false-flag FBI disguised as police.)

I earlier posted a photo of one of the officers repeatedly firing concussion grenades into a passive crowd of Trump supporters outside the Capitol, just waving flags. The police officer in the photo (holding aa concussion greenade launcher) is still oddly unidentified almost 4 years later, which probably means he is a protected undercover federal agent. from the 97% Democrat-donating FBI.

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It’s a matter of record that Trump paid Daniels as well as other women money to keep them quiet.

Please be at the front of an angry mob rushing armed law enforcement charged with protecting elected officials and the building and see what happens WB. I feel bad for the woman buying into Trump’s lies that drove her into doing such a crazy thing but it was her actions that got her shot. Trump should have immediately asked his people to leave once things got out of control. He could have saved her. There are simply no good reasons for Trump not having to simply ask them to leave. Instead he chose to try to use the mob to slow down and stop the certification.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It’s a matter of record that Trump paid Daniels as well as other women money to keep them quiet.

Non-disclosure agreements made by famous people and company owners are NOT illegal, and are made every day.
And as I just cited, it was done to quietly silence an untrustworthy blackmailing woman (Melanie Clifford) to protect Trump and his company, and his marriage, from malicious and false accusations, and done AFTER the election, so it was in fact not even an influence on the 2016 election.

Clifford has a history of similar cons, and ruthlessly exploiting men, to the point that her ex called her a "complete psycho".
And as I just said, it wasn't even Trump who who had any part in the non-disclosure agreement and payment, that Michael Cohen arranged and paid it on his own, and asked Trump for re-payment of it long after the fact. That Trump's book-keeper testified was righfully labelled on the re-payment check as a "legal expense".

Originally Posted by M E M
Please be at the front of an angry mob rushing armed law enforcement charged with protecting elected officials and the building and see what happens WB. I feel bad for the woman buying into Trump’s lies that drove her into doing such a crazy thing but it was her actions that got her shot. Trump should have immediately asked his people to leave once things got out of control. He could have saved her. There are simply no good reasons for Trump not having to simply ask them to leave. Instead he chose to try to use the mob to slow down and stop the certification.

This is such a vague comment, what event you're specifically referring to and saying " I feel bad for the woman buying into Trump’s lies that drove her into doing such a crazy thing but it was her actions that got her shot", I have no idea what you're talking about.

I finally figured out that in a very vague and detached way, you're referring to the Ashli Babbitt shooting.
And Trump didn't "cause" her to get shot, she wasn't "driven" by Trump to do something that got her killed, Capitol police lieutenant Michael Byrd shot her through the glass panel of a closed door for NO REASON, despite that she was UNARMED.
And Byrd should be fired, charged and imprisoned for that crime of murder and excessive force.
And also Antifa leader John Earle Sullivan and his fellow Antifa false-flag "Trump supporters", wolves in MAGA clothing, who stoked panic among officers, less than two minutes before the shooing, and hen videotaped the Ashli Babbitt shooting from two different cameras. Orchestrated by Anifa. All shown in multiple videos.

The sentence after, you're obviously continuing the false narrative that Trump didn't make a comment quickly enough, but I've been through the timeline with you multiple times, with the timeline as given by two LIBERAL media sources, that the firs breach of he Capittol by a handful of rioters out of well over 100,000 PEACEFUL and patriotic Trump supporters. (false-flag FBI disguised as Trump supporters? Anttifa disguised as Trump supporters? Boogaloos or Oath Keepers? Or ACTUAL Trump supporters?)
Breach first occurred around 2:30 PM. It probably took till at leas 3PM or later to verify that it wasn't just a rumor or false report, and the breach actually occurred. And it probably took Trump and those assisting him to compose a statement to his ACTUAL supporters (as opposed to the 70 or so FBI, andtifa and other false-flag agents disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd, and there were many, and that's just the ones in FBI, Antifa, DHS, and DC Metro police THAT WE KNOW OF, NOT actual Trump supporters.

You also gloss over and selectively omit that the majority of the 600 or so who came inside he Capitol building were invited in by Capitol police, holding the double doors wide open to let hem in, and just standing in the hall like an honor guard on both sides as Trump supporters very casually walked past them, and PEACEFULLY wandered around the Capitol building as if they were on a guided tour, taking selfie photos, and were casually followed around by police. AS IS SHOWN IN THE 40,000 HOURS OF VIDEO SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE INSIDE THE CAPITOL, THAT HOUSE DEMOCRATS SUPPRESSED FOR 3 YEARS, SO THEY COULD MAKE UP THE "VIOLENT INSURRECTION" FALSE NARRATIVE YOU ARE STILL PARROTING, EVEN AFTER IT HAS BEEN DISPROVEN.

Which is why "Quanon Shaman" Jacob Chansley was immediately released from jail, once even a tiny portion of that 40,000 hours had been released a year ago now BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS, who for the first time let this released video footage show the truth, breaking that false Democrat narrative with the ACTUAL VIDEO SURVEILLANCE footage, to show these "insurrecionists" were in truth peaceful and innocent, and falsely imprisoned.
But you're still selling that false Democrat-Bolshevik narrative. Democrats are only interested in what benefits them politically, NOT what the actual truth is of what happened.
And they're perfectly willing to imprison hundreds of innocent men and women in terrible conditions, without even flushing toilets or clean drinking water, indefinitely, based on no evidence, without a fair trial, JUST to prop up that incendiary false narrative of "inssurrection".

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Trump didn’t ask his people to leave after it got violent well after it was apparent. Biden actually had time to go on tv in an effort to try to get Trump to fulfill a very basic role as commander in chief. Trump eventually did ask his people to leave but it took over 2 hours for him to do so. Any timeline I’ve seen shows this, not to mention we watched it happen in real time. He’s unfit for the office that he held and will hopefully have to sit his fat ass in court for his actions and inaction for the 2020.


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And even when the pos at that point asks his people to leave we got this shit….
"I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."

After watching law enforcement get beaten and sprayed with bear spray because they were in the mob’s way Trump makes it very apparent how he feels and where his sympathy lies.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump didn’t ask his people to leave after it got violent well after it was apparent. Biden actually had time to go on tv in an effort to try to get Trump to fulfill a very basic role as commander in chief. Trump eventually did ask his people to leave but it took over 2 hours for him to do so. Any timeline I’ve seen shows this, not to mention we watched it happen in real time. He’s unfit for the office that he held and will hopefully have to sit his fat ass in court for his actions and inaction for the 2020.

False narrative, that I've answered a billion times, with exact timelines.
What you say is absolute shi garbage. Absolutely not true.

I used YOUR OWN sourced ttimeline to demonstrate how untrue this is.

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https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.ph...rds=timeline&Search=true#Post1238806

Originally Posted by Wonder Boy, Jan 26 2024
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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I’m sure it looked good bringing up Biden’s attempt to get Trump to act like decent human being but Biden was still a private citizen. He didn’t know Trump would just sit and watch the violence on tv and let it go on. He actually tweeted this at 3:20 when it became very evident that Trump wasn’t doing the right thing.


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I call on President Trump to go on national television now to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution by demanding an end to this siege.


https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069...nfolded-including-who-said-what-and-when

Originally Posted by WB
And as I said, regarding Trump and the Capitol riot call for protesters to go home, you are nit-picking over a matter of minutes of response time, over a video Trump posted instructing protesters to go home. As I PRECISELY quoted from an NPR (liberal media) timeline, Biden tweeted for Trump to call off protesters at 4:06 PM, and Trump (already producing it) posted his video at 4:17 PM.
It is a desperate smokescreen attempt by you to attack Trump on ANYTHING, in order to change the narrative from how Biden and the other Democrat-Bolsheviks are destroying the country:
[ long list of Biden failures and deliberate destruction of the nation, since Jan 20 2021 ]


President Trump on January 3 2021 gave an executive order for up to 20,000 troops to defend Washington Square from any possible rioting or violence on January 6th.
Washington DC mayor Muriel Bowser flat-out refused this offer or troops, IN WRITING.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer likewise prevented this deployment.

On Jan 6th, smashing windows and other rioting OUTSIDE the Capitol began about 12:40 PM

Trump gave his speech on the White House lawn from 12 noon till 1:11 PM (So his ACTUAL supporters, would have not yet been at the Capitol, would have been far away listening to Trump, would have left the White House lawn and walked over to the Capitol and arrived there 45 minutes walking distance later, about 1:56PM. Not to be confused with the false-flag undercover FBI, DHS DC Metro police, and Antifa DISGUISED AS Trump supporters who arrived and started trouble earlier. )
Some clashing with police outside the Capitol was first detected about 12:53 PM, and was phoned in to Capitol police chief Stephen Sund (as he said above in his video interview with Tucker Carlson)

Some minor rioting breached the Capitol building interior about 2:15 PM

The incident where an unarmed Ashli Babbitt was shot (FOR NO REASON) by Capitol police Lt. Michael Byrd occurred at 2:45 PM

From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#Federal_officials'_conduct

  • At 2:26 p.m., D.C.'s homeland security director Chris Rodriguez coordinated a conference call with Mayor Bowser, the chiefs of the Capitol Police (Sund) and Metropolitan Police (Contee), and DCNG [DC National Guard] major general Walker.
    As the DCNG does not report to a governor, but to the president, Walker patched in the Office of the Secretary of the Army [McCarthy], noting that he would need Pentagon authorization to deploy. Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, noted that the Pentagon needed Capitol Police authorization to step onto Capitol grounds.
    Metro Police chief Robert Contee asked for clarification from Capitol Police chief Sund: "Steve, are you requesting National Guard assistance at the Capitol?"

    To which Chief Sund replied, "I am making urgent, urgent, immediate request for National Guard assistance".
    According to Sund, Lt. Gen. Piatt stated, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background".

    Sund pleaded with Lt. Gen. Piatt to send the Guard, but Lt. Gen. Piatt stated that only Army secretary McCarthy had the authority to approve such a request and he could not recommend that Secretary McCarthy approve the request for assistance directly to the Capitol.

    The D.C. officials [chief Sund, and DC chief Contee] were subsequently described as "flabbergasted" at this message. McCarthy would later state that he was not in this conference call because he was already entering a meeting with senior department leadership.[239]
    General Charles A. Flynn, brother to the controversial General Michael Flynn, participated in the call.[356][357]
    By 3:37 p.m., the Pentagon dispatched its own security forces to guard the homes of senior defense leaders, "even though no rioters or criminal attacks are occurring at those locations."
    Chief Sund later opined, "This demonstrates to me that the Pentagon fully understands the urgency and danger of the situation even as it does nothing to support us on the Hill.



So acting only to protect themselves, Pentagon military bureaucrats acting as fast as they could, took until 3:37 PM to deploy troops to protect their own homes.
Trump gave a video post for protesters to "go home" at 4:17 PM


And the exact time from the first beginnings of breach into the Capitol (2:15 PM), till when Trump aired a video statement for everyone to go home , was at 4:17 PM.
That's 2 hours and 2 minutes total response time.

Given all these EXACT times, Trump at every stage, from executive ordering up to 20,000 National Guard , to his 12 noon- 1:11 PM speech instructing his supporters "you'll be going over to the Capirtol now to PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for Republican House and Senate members inside LEGALLY challenging he Electoral vote count, to his social media posts every 20 to 30 minutes continuing to instruct his supporters to "remain PEACEFUL", to his 4:17 PM video statement to go home, that alone probably took him at least 30 minutes to compose, video-record and uplink to Twitter... based on all the above acts by Trump to insure peaceful protest, I think it is ridiculous, RIDICULOUS for you to continue to allege Trump is some kind of criminal who was somehow callous and negligent and responsible for what happened.

These are the known approximate exact times.

The delay-time till when knowledge of events on the ground, and confirmation of accuracy of these events reported were actually known by Trump or other public officials above them , means they could have taken 30 minutes or an hour to know for sure whether any events they were hearing of were accurate.

And again, if not obstructed by Muriel Bowser, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer, the Naional Guard would have been deployed in advance of Jan 6th, and any disruption at all would have been impossible.

Why don't you BLAME THESE DEMOCRATS, M E M?
WHY ?!?
Because they are inconvenient to your lying narrative, THAT's why.

Trump acted responsibly at every stage to prevent and discourage violence and rioting. He encouraged only peaceful protest.
THOSE are the facts.


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