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That's the Elongated Man, jackass.
The Elongated Man's name is Jackass? I thought it was Ralph Dibney.
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I only wish I knew if you were joking.
Yes, Wednesday, I was joking.
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Is it just me or did Vixen have really big. . .
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She did. I taped that one, too.
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...great googly moogly...
wow, the red X makes his animated debut.
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Divided We Fall: One of the greatest JL episodes ever.
Maybe the greatest.
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I didn't really like how Bats stood on stage at the end. Seemed out of character.
And I jope this means they keep the watch tower. It's more interesting to keep it.
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Pariah, Batman breathing seems out of character to you...
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I didn't really like how Bats stood on stage at the end. Seemed out of character.
And I jope this means they keep the watch tower. It's more interesting to keep it.
It would seem out of character for the DCU Batman but not the JLU version. The JLU version seems a lot more team compatible.
And I doubt they'll keep the watchtower after this. Superman's embassy idea seems much more likely.
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I just saw it, FRIGGIN AWESOME!!!
one great part was Flash's attack on Brainiac at the end.
I've thougth throughout the show that, while still really cool, Flash never really got his due. Not true anymore!
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Hall of Justice?
We can only hope.
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Has anyone noticed how everyone's powers are increasing?
Flash just got an upgrade due to the writers revealing that he can go so fast that he'd reach the speed force.
Diana's lasso can now force the truth and she can do that twirl schick thing.
Since the original series when Superman had to struggle to lift a bus he's been able to lift 757s without even breathing hard.
Those particular three are starting to resemble their comicbook counterparts in power aspects. J'onn, Stewart, and Hawk Girl have always been as powerful as their comic-based origins. So the series is becoming a bit more (classic)DCU all around.
If this pattern continues, Batman's prolly gonna get darker in the future, in which case, I couldn't be happier.
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Being dark isn't a power, silly.
I mean, it means you can jump higher and run faster, but that's about it.
Seriously, though, if Batman Beyond is any indication (and it probably is since they're revisiting that universe in the next episode) Bruce Wayne/Batman will grow darker with time. Whether or not that will be seen in the JLU, however, remains to be seen.
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In Batman's case it is. It's all about image; being fearful is his idea of power--And it works.
It'd be nice to seem him a bit stricter. More like a person who's very look says, "Don't fuck with me or you're knee-caps are gonna regret it!" rather than his current more neutral image.
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Seriously, though, if Batman Beyond is any indication (and it probably is since they're revisiting that universe in the next episode) Bruce Wayne/Batman will grow darker with time. Whether or not that will be seen in the JLU, however, remains to be seen.
I'm speaking strictly in the case of JLU.
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Has anyone noticed how everyone's powers are increasing?
Flash just got an upgrade due to the writers revealing that he can go so fast that he'd reach the speed force.
Diana's lasso can now force the truth and she can do that twirl schick thing.
Since the original series when Superman had to struggle to lift a bus he's been able to lift 757s without even breathing hard.
Those particular three are starting to resemble their comicbook counterparts in power aspects. J'onn, Stewart, and Hawk Girl have always been as powerful as their comic-based origins. So the series is becoming a bit more (classic)DCU all around.
If this pattern continues, Batman's prolly gonna get darker in the future, in which case, I couldn't be happier.
That's the nature of superheroes I guess. Remember Superman started out not being able to fly, Flash had to swim at super speed, WW glided on air currents.
Then the writers up the powers till Superman moves the world out of the path of asteroids (though why he wouldn't just move the asteroid is beyond me).
Then, Crisis and everyone's depowered to humanize them. Flash can barely create a sonic boom, Superman struggles to lift planes.
Then at some point the writers up the power levels until Flash runs through time at the slightest whim and Superman uses WW's lasso to pull the moon.
Its a weird cycle.
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I'm speaking strictly in the case of JLU.
Technically Batman Beyond is part of JLU continuity because he was in last season's finale.
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That's what I meant. Since the JLU will be revisiting the Batman Beyond universe again, it seems reasonable to believe Batman is heading for darker pastures.
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Technically Batman Beyond is part of JLU continuity because he was in last season's finale.
First of all: The exhibition within the JLU is what matters. Not a seperate series.
Second: That's not necessarily true. It could be the future, but from the testament of Batman Beyond's Bruce in "The Once and Future Thing" He didn't actually remember going to the future in one of his missions with the Justice League, but now Batman is in the absolute know that he did go to the future. There's no telling that Batman Beyond will always be in continuity with Batman Beyond.
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The Once and Future Thing future was not the same as the Batman Beyond future. It was an alternate possibility.
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Aren't all futures, by definition, alternate possibilities?
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Doc : Marty, when Biff got that sports almanac, he used it and somehow created an alternate future...this one that we are in now!
Marty McFly : How do we fix things?
Doc : We take the DeLorean and go back to 1955 , and stop Biff from getting that book.
Marty McFly : Not 1955 , AGAIN.........
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The Once and Future Thing future was not the same as the Batman Beyond future. It was an alternate possibility.
No, it WAS Batman Beyond. The producers even said so.
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Aren't all futures, by definition, alternate possibilities?
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Possibility? Yes. Alternate? No.
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The Once and Future Thing future was not the same as the Batman Beyond future. It was an alternate possibility.
No, it WAS Batman Beyond. The producers even said so.
Then they filled it with a few quirks that demand explanation.
Also, could you find the link to that?
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The Once and Future Thing future was not the same as the Batman Beyond future. It was an alternate possibility.
No, it WAS Batman Beyond. The producers even said so.
Then they filled it with a few quirks that demand explanation.
Also, could you find the link to that?
I can't find the link right now. I know it was on TVtome, but anyway its obviously the Batman Beyond universe.
Same producers, they showed that same future on Static Shock. Its the same Bruce/Terry set up as Batman Beyond, with the same villains, and references to Batman Beyond. Why would you think it wasn't Batman Beyond?
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Possibility? Yes. Alternate? No.
No. He was correct in his wording.
Because Batman went to that future and saw what that future's Bruce didn't whilst he was still Batman, it means it's not going to happen again in perfect sync. So, it is indeed alternative.
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I can't find the link right now. I know it was on TVtome, but anyway its obviously the Batman Beyond universe.
Same producers, they showed that same future on Static Shock. Its the same Bruce/Terry set up as Batman Beyond, with the same villains, and references to Batman Beyond. Why would you think it wasn't Batman Beyond?
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People and events shown here contradict what has been shown for various other WB series, but in fact are internally consistent (sort of) since it's established that what we're seeing here is an alternate timeline, rendering other time travel and crossover stories providing a glimpse of the "real future" irrelevant to what we see here.
There are several inconsistencies that separate the future seen in this episode from the one seen in Batman Beyond, not the least of which is the fact that WarHawk is still alive AFTER Terry McGinnis, Batman joins the League. He died in the episode The Call: Part 1, in the third season.
Yeah, superheroes come back, but there are other inconsistencies that are a little harder to crack. I can really look for them if you want, but you'll have to give me time.
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Possibility? Yes. Alternate? No.
No. He was correct in his wording.
Because Batman went to that future and saw what that future's Bruce didn't whilst he was still Batman, it means it's not going to happen again in perfect sync. So, it is indeed alternative.
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Which isn't correct. If you're using a static time theory (things can not be changed and all of time is already written) then there is no room for anything alternate. That is why every future is a possibility (100% if you're using the static theory) but not necessarily alternate (depending on who is doing the theorizing).
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There are several inconsistencies that separate the future seen in this episode from the one seen in Batman Beyond, not the least of which is the fact that WarHawk is still alive AFTER Terry McGinnis, Batman joins the League.
And how often do superheroes die and come back to life?  Or at the very least, get replaced by other nigh-identical counterparts?
I don't think I buy that one...
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Which isn't correct. If you're using a static time theory (things can not be changed and all of time is already written) then there is no room for anything alternate. That is why every future is a possibility (100% if you're using the static theory) but not necessarily alternate (depending on who is doing the theorizing).
All variables (possibilities) are alternative until they're mainsteam--Which doesn't necessarily mean that it will eventually be mainstream mind you. A variable, a "could have happened" situation, is a possibility. But the fact that it's one of many variables, means that it's alternate reality just like all the others until one is your definite future and present, then, later on, your past. Because the Bruce Wayne of that future didn't actually go on the mission with Diana and John, but Batman of the past did, that makes it an alternate reality because that future was never actually legitimately reached, and after the "Once and Future Thing" incident, it never will be.
True, this does not necessarily mean that the Batman Beyond future in general will never be reached by the JLU continuum--However, the fact that the JLU laws of time travel are the way they are means that no time travel episode to the future will mean that there's no certainty that the portrayed future will be reached either. (I can't word that any better. Sorry.)
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There are several inconsistencies that separate the future seen in this episode from the one seen in Batman Beyond, not the least of which is the fact that WarHawk is still alive AFTER Terry McGinnis, Batman joins the League.
And how often do superheroes die and come back to life? Or at the very least, get replaced by other nigh-identical counterparts?
I don't think I buy that one...
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Which isn't correct. If you're using a static time theory (things can not be changed and all of time is already written) then there is no room for anything alternate. That is why every future is a possibility (100% if you're using the static theory) but not necessarily alternate (depending on who is doing the theorizing).
All variables (possibilities) are alternative until they're mainsteam--Which doesn't necessarily mean that it will eventually be mainstream mind you. A variable, a "could have happened" situation, is a possibility. But the fact that it's one of many variables, means that it's alternate reality just like all the others until one is your definite future and present, then, later on, your past. Because the Bruce Wayne of that future didn't actually go on the mission with Diana and John, but Batman of the past did, that makes it an alternate reality because that future was never actually legitimately reached, and after the "Once and Future Thing" incident, it never will be.
True, this does not necessarily mean that the Batman Beyond future in general will never be reached by the JLU continuum--However, the fact that the JLU laws of time travel are the way they are means that no time travel episode to the future will mean that it can't be said with any certainty that the portrayed future will be reached either. (I can't word that any better. Sorry.)
You're running under the presumption that all time is variable. Again, that is simply one theory and not definitive. If time is considered static (another more viable theory) then there is never an alternate future, only the static, or "mainstream," one.
Or, to put it another way, the idea that the future is broken up into alternate possibilities is not definitive, only speculative.
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