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but this is the good part, i dont think he'll be disciplined, thank god we have a president that doesnt cave into the PC police, he protects the country by doing what is right not by what some PC whine bag thinks is right....
Hmmn, who seems to be doing the whining in this thread?
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Anyone who takes pleasure in injuring or killing another human being, whatever the circumstances, has become something less than human themselves.
I feel sorry for James Mattis.
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A soldiers job is to kill the enemy and come home alive.
We're not debating soldiers killing. We're debating whether or not they should enjoy it.
Yeah. They should. You need levity to get past the trauma. You also need confidence to kill.
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Anyone who takes pleasure in injuring or killing another human being, whatever the circumstances, has become something less than human themselves.
I feel sorry for James Mattis.
You're breaking my heart (no you're not).
The definition of "humanity" doesn't mean as 'peaceful and as pacificitc(sp) as possible'. It's a word that encapsulates every act and emotion a human can do or feel. Articulating people, who are trying to survive in a devastating situation, as monsters is disgraceful and totally insensitive.
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I just suspect a soldier who thinks twice before pulling the trigger has half a chance of coming home alive.
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I'm glad that there are people who can go out and kill these fuckers before they get us.
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A soldiers job is to kill the enemy and come home alive.
So why begrudge him a little fun while doing it.
Putting the "fun" back in Fundamentalist Christian Dogma.
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I just suspect a soldier who thinks twice before pulling the trigger has half a chance of coming home alive.
The issue is not "thinking twice" before killing. Its deriving satisfaction from killing.
Any man who is put into the place of killing another human being shouldn't derive pleasure from it.
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A soldiers job is to kill the enemy and come home alive.
So why begrudge him a little fun while doing it.
Because its killing. Killing in war is grim and solemn. The people who enjoy it have serious mental issues. I wonder what Jesus would say about taking pleasure in killing another person.
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He'd say his religion covers only 1/10th of the world. At best.
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He'd say his religion covers only 1/10th of the world. At best.
There are certain moral codes that transcend religion. There is right and wrong. Killing in war is justifiable, chucking basic respect for life and enjoying the killing is wrong.
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I'm glad that there are people who can go out and kill these fuckers before they get us.
A heartwarming Christian sentiment... 
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I didn't realize Christianity thought it better to be killed by a terrorist rather than defend oneself.
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That depends on whether or not you view this war as defense, and, of course, your views of Christian doctrine.
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That depends on whether or not you view this war as defense, and, of course, your views of Christian doctrine.
How exactly do you mean "view of the Christian doctrine". Is that a quip referring to the martyrs and the soldiers in Biblical history or something?
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That depends on whether or not you view this war as defense, and, of course, your views of Christian doctrine.
How exactly do you mean "view of the Christian doctrine". Is that a quip referring to the martyrs and the soldiers in Biblical history or something?
In hopes of staving off a war (no pun intended) I think it meant little more than it depends on your interpretation of doctrine. Some people believe in a just war theory some believe in absolute passifism.
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I'm glad that there are people who can go out and kill these fuckers before they get us.
A heartwarming Christian sentiment...
where do you keep getting that I'm christian, this is the 3rd time youve said this and I've told you I'm not.. Does your not being able to comprehend the news extend to my posts as well?
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That depends on whether or not you view this war as defense, and, of course, your views of Christian doctrine.
How exactly do you mean "view of the Christian doctrine". Is that a quip referring to the martyrs and the soldiers in Biblical history or something?
In hopes of staving off a war (no pun intended) I think it meant little more than it depends on your interpretation of doctrine. Some people believe in a just war theory some believe in absolute passifism.
Basically. I'm not even sure how my statement could have been interpreted as a quip.
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That depends on whether or not you view this war as defense, and, of course, your views of Christian doctrine.
How exactly do you mean "view of the Christian doctrine". Is that a quip referring to the martyrs and the soldiers in Biblical history or something?
In hopes of staving off a war (no pun intended) I think it meant little more than it depends on your interpretation of doctrine. Some people believe in a just war theory some believe in absolute passifism.
Basically. I'm not even sure how my statement could have been interpreted as a quip.
welcome to the internet.
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I didn't realize Christianity thought it better to be killed by a terrorist rather than defend oneself.
The issue isn't self-defense or the war itself. Its taking pleasure in the killing. Taking pleasure in the war by calling it fun.
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welcome to the internet.
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No! Pembroke Pines! Don't you pay attention?
Thanks.
I recently moved from Miami, Florida to Pembroke Pines, Florida, which is just north of Miami.
I didn't dislike Miami but I didn't like it either.
I really like living in Pembroke Pines, though.
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I didn't realize Christianity thought it better to be killed by a terrorist rather than defend oneself.
The issue isn't self-defense or the war itself. Its taking pleasure in the killing. Taking pleasure in the war by calling it fun.
Yeah. Killing the enemy. A form of one upmanship among comrades is prolly one of the only things that keeps a soldier from going insane after enough engagements.
You're acting like these soldiers are impressionable youths who'll kill whoever they want after they decide to try to make a game out of their job, but you forget that they also have to follow orders, and those orders consist of putting the hurt on enemies and no one other than that--And please, refrain from lecturing me about soldiers on an ego trip who harrass people, cuz' they certainly don't represent the whole of the Military.
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Holey crap R3x made Pariah pull his brain outta his ass.
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You think pariahs eye candy?
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You think pariahs eye candy?
The sexual tension is what keeps me coming back.
Pariah, I will certainly concede that the bad apple soldiers do not represent the entire military. A high ranking General, however, does represent the military. And considering the fact that the troops dying in Iraq are under his command, and he probably has to write letters to their families, he shouldnt think its "fun."
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I don't think he was referring to his soldiers.
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I don't think he was referring to his soldiers.
He was referring to the fighting and the war, which his soldiers are involved in.
I can't believe I was ever mentioned in your signature.
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I was referring to all the soldiers. Quote:
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The sexual tension is what keeps me coming back.
Pariah, I will certainly concede that the bad apple soldiers do not represent the entire military. A high ranking General, however, does represent the military. And considering the fact that the troops dying in Iraq are under his command, and he probably has to write letters to their families, he shouldnt think its "fun."
Well r3x, that brings us back to square one doesn't it.
I feel he didn't cross any lines and I've expressed why while you do feel he's crossed a line and you've expressed why.
I think this issue is very much more important from the soldiers' outlook rather than the citizens of America. And essentially, I think it's fun to live. And from my POV, I think by taking away a soldier's ability to keep levity and shackling themselves with the multi-defined word "honor", you'd be lowering his odds at keeping that life.
And I don't think we're going to bypass that.
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I was referring to all the soldiers.
Well r3x, that brings us back to square one doesn't it.
I feel he didn't cross any lines and I've expressed why while you do feel he's crossed a line and you've expressed why.
I think this issue is very much more important from the soldiers' outlook rather than the citizens of America. And essentially, I think it's fun to live. And from my POV, I think by taking away a soldier's ability to keep levity and shackling themselves with the multi-defined word "honor", you'd be lowering his odds at keeping that life.
And I don't think we're going to bypass that.
I knew a guy who'd spent a year in Iraq for the National Guard. The US troops have quite a bit on base for "fun." They get DVDs, books, internet, and off-time on a secure base to relax. There's no reason to say that they "need" to enjoy the time in combat. They don't need levity on the combat field. In fact treating combat/killing like fun would more likely make them reckless because they'd lost sight of how serious their situation is.
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I knew a guy who'd spent a year in Iraq for the National Guard. The US troops have quite a bit on base for "fun." They get DVDs, books, internet, and off-time on a secure base to relax. There's no reason to say that they "need" to enjoy the time in combat. They don't need levity on the combat field. In fact treating combat/killing like fun would more likely make them reckless because they'd lost sight of how serious their situation is.
I could use the same argument with material objects and longing for such things to be distracting from the situation at hand. Let your mind revolve around your job long enough and you can make a game of it. When you're trying to play games, you're playing to win trying to be better and better.
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