Quote: Animalman said: According to you and G-Man, this is a conservative belief, rather than something everybody who doesn't work in the government(and, apparently, even a lot of people who do) believes.
That, to me, is ludicrous.
Of course you think it's ludicrous. That's because you're used to using the claim of victim.
Quote: No. It was a straightforward joke. He wasn't talking about how precisely the government he thought the government should be run, or how centralized it should be, etc. He was saying government = bad. That is a sentiment pretty much everyone shares.
No. It's not.
Federal Government, in general, it's not "a sentiment that pretty much everyone shares." It only seems that way to you because the left is just angry at the current administration all the time. And because it earns them more points to play the 'tyrrany of the majority' card, they refer to Big Brother.
Socialism is the logical extension of modern liberalism. And socialism is about total reliance on the government--Or a government if you wish.
Quote: I can't believe I'm having to explain basic humor to you guys. Good grief.
Whatever happened to "satire?"
Quote: This is an entirely different thread unto itself. In short, I'll say that I think you do a disservice to yourself and to liberals by trying to pass off such sweeping generalizations of incredibly complex ideologies.
Or maybe I'm just not fooling myself into believing that the joke isn't conservative--Or, at least, partisan in nature.
Quote: How? The quote you give of me isn't even referring to the comment.
Actually, it is. You used the comment to say that it sounds exactly opposite of what G-man felt it sounded like. Thus, it was a spin. So what if you didn't quote the thing, you were obviously talking about it.
Quote: I think in the modern political world, there are many "extremists" who have blindly followed the administration, and I guess you could have perhaps extrapolated some of that from what I said...but that has very little to do with this topic, and absolutely nothing to do with Barry's remark.
In your very first post regarding the subject, you brought up those "extremists" and their alleged blind loyalty to the government and now you're saying it has "very litte" to do with the issue?
Quote: Which would seem to contradict your point about me somehow referring to Bush, Jr.
No. Conservatives are not the government. Just because they could maintain the government, that doesn't mean they embody it. Things like government and big corporations are entities all their own.
Quote: How am I the one spinning the joke, when I'm saying that I don't think it applies to any one group, and you and G-Man are saying it applies to conservatives like you?
Your first comment, in direct association with the comic, was: "infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it."
Quote: I'm so glad you said so...after I wrote it.
Imply what you wish. I really don't care.
Quote: I did say the joke was too broad in the first place. That's what I've been saying all along. Go back and re-read my posts.
No you didn't
Quote: I only brought up conservatives to counter G-Man's rather flimsy line of logic, by pointing out that, for the most part, the only people who have been vocal about their support of the government(and, in this case, defining "the government" becomes an issue) have been conservatives. In this forum, or in the news.
Defining the government? Are you for real?
It's "Administration." Big difference.
Quote: I never said Barry's view wasn't shared by the majority of conservatives, though. I said flat out I thought it was a basic, obvious joke that pretty much anyone would make or appreciate.
Obviously somebody didn't however.
Quote: That doesn't answer my question. You applied a conservative lean to it(which you've admitted several times), but you also said it's too broad for my argument to be true, which is odd, given that my argument all along has been that it was too broad.
I said that your use of the administrations as an example of the left hating government was too broad since the two are mutually exclusive (although they obviously interact with eachother).
Quote: I kind of thought I just spent the last five posts or so explaining that. The whole "too broad" bit, which you seem to both agree and disagree with simultaneously.
