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Well, I guess it's not all bad, then. At least I-Man will die... having never known the pleasures of a woman...

My Superdog will avenge me -- with truthlasers!

Apio verde, Euro.

We gotta get ourselves more posting -- where's the Zoog action at?!

Gooz... how the hell those soldiers stopped Superman AND Green Lantern?

Surprise!

Kick ass quickly, before I invent more new powers for myself!

Witness the cautionary tale of I-mania... the birth of the Hyperboards, revealed at last!

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It was the Kingdom of Time, but whatever... it was G-Man's diabolical plan all along.

I ahve read all the four pages, and now I have a big headache.

I'm starting to get some ideas going, but it's just a matter of learning how to write fight scenes. I should be able to post soon.

Great post, I-Man; I am especially excited to see Prester John is still around...

I hope no one mind's me bringing about the beginning of a climax.

Per the original suggestion, the 'trap' suggests that the faceless mystery is one not being solved this day...

Well, the original suggestion (as I understood it, and I always am wrong) was that the "cospiracy" had to be a theme recurring in the whole serie and not to be solved in this story, while good storytelling (afaik) would call to have a lesser mystery discovered in this story, or at last have the heroes have a partial success (my idea was them "cleaning up" the temple, finding something that shows that the cospiracy exist and why, at some degree, is connected to Doug).

Now, I am cool with the climax, actually I am amazed at your skills, I am excited to see Viper coming back and I am very happy to see your magic brought back to our stories; just, insted of simply saying that this was a trap, why don't you find a way to connect the faceless mystery cospiracy to the Draco group?

IMO, having two hidden global groups pulling the strings over governments lessens the concepts (plus is old, we did it to death with the Hoods and Capes in the last four years), I would prefer to have just one (it makes it much more powerful and seemingly undefeatable).

It's just a suggestion, but I think it would make to keep a consistent storytelling at the story per story bases, instead of just starting with a concept, leave it at middle road and taking up with something else...

By the way, having Plastic man being a threat for Darkseid would be especially Morrisonesque...

I'm getting a bit confused about the conspiracies. Exactly who's on who's side?

On the other hand, I'm just gonna assume that that's the intention at the moment, and try and figure out what to write next.

Why don't you write about Marvelo and the others fighting the monsters brought in by Viper? I still am unsure about what Marvelo is able to do...

I do have to apologize, especially if I sound mysterious, but bringing Incursion in a bit before I expected to is a response to Prometheus' acceptance of the 'One Year Later' on the Vanguard end and the storyline that's been happening as of such. So, with the storyline here kinda twiddling its thumbs, I...sorta...kinda...sorry hijacked part of it to set stuff up.

My end wil be cleared up soon. Sorry about that.

And, basically, I had to use both storylines to advance certain plot elements I needed.

The Draco shouldn't be an immediate thorn in the MBL's thorn side after this. A sort of we-now-return-you-to-your-previously-scheduled-conspiracy kind of thing...

I split off my stuff into a side-thread (Issue 2.5), so you guys can do what you want without my Draco-ing.

I still think my stuff's cool and you should read it, but I dont want to overtake everybody's ideas with my own.

So, get funky already!

Anyway, Issue 2.5 is done (crazy writing burst tonight). I'll have a solo-story coming out of it starting up in the next few days, but let me know what you guys think of my insane ramblings...

I found the whole story cool, well written, and, being an old timer, I was especially pleased of seeeing the return of much old stuff that I missed so badly in the last few years.

I would been much more pleased if you found a way to keep that stuff in the main story, and worked the MBL into that, instead of using the story as a mere backdrop for what you'r telling.

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The Indestructible Man said:
I do have to apologize, especially if I sound mysterious, but bringing Incursion in a bit before I expected to is a response to Prometheus' acceptance of the 'One Year Later' on the Vanguard end and the storyline that's been happening as of such. So, with the storyline here kinda twiddling its thumbs, I...sorta...kinda...sorry hijacked part of it to set stuff up.

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You didn't have to apologize, and to be sorry, you were advancing the story in a cool way, just instad of bending the premise of the story to fit the return f Viper, I think you should have allowed both (faceless hunters AND Viper plots) to interwine and flow together.
When you say "you guys can do what you want without my Draco-ing" I am sad, because round robin is done by all together, there should be no story-matter that is of one person or the others.

Also, I have mixed feeling of your using both Universes to tell a story. Don't get me wrong, I am amazed at how you do it well, and love the story you are creating (especially the part about Strikeforce, as you surely would have expected).
But I am perplexed at how you can perceive these two universe being the same, when they have been built over opposite premises:

• the MBL lives in the same old Vanguard Universe, with the past intact, some time after the last Vanguard story ended, a period in which all the open plots have been solved (that is, the Manhattan siege, the anti.metahuman legislation and such) offscreen.
The premise of the series is that we don't want to put importance on the past, and with a new group, new characters and a new setting (Promethean City, USA, instead of la Perdita, Caribbean Sea) we want to explore new things.

• the "new Vanguard" insterad focuses over mainly old characters that have been altered mysteriously, and find themselves in a world that is much different from what they remember. The premise, for what I see, is focused mainly toward the past and how it changed.

Now, please, don't bother about my words, because I feel the MBL is not going anywhere as a round robin, as basically just you and me are still writing it (T5 is gone, Gooz has posted nearly two weeks ago and the previous one is over one month old, TTT seems not very interested in this and Spamm lurks around, but doesn't post).

Or maybe I am the one wrong, and where I see two different worlds, there are really just one, where the Revolutionaries (as stated in New MBL issue 1, post 1 by Gooz) did grouped and hidden in a Circus, found a way to free Thunder City from Knell's Tri-Vex and Leviathan, but where they never become Vanguard.
You know, I would LOVE such a world.

So, I-Man, excuse my words and do your magic again, I am on the ride...

Don't worry, Euro. My concern was that I was tying what I was doing in the MBL and Vanguard too close together. Now that I've used X-Stream for the story I created him for in January (although admittedly, I did do the climax a story or two before I originally planned, a victim of my old-school tying together what I was doing in too many places), you'll see exciting new old-fashioned heroic action from me come next tale...

...cause to answer the question asked? Hel yeah, there's still an MBL!

Very good.

Only I hope there will be others other than just the two of us to write it.

must...brainwash...Bibbo...

And very good epilogue.

Very good indeed.

Thanks!

Our current problem is two disparatous storytelling methods. The New MBL is TOO open right now, I think, too random-seeming to get folks' interest.

Meanwhile, Vanguard, while stoking interest, is too byzantine in its new story to let too much new stuff in yet (I know the rules of this sorta thing well, but without a character from the old days, I can't find an opening -- why do you think I've been villaining and subplotting?)

I think we need to tweak the New MBL a little bit to gain more interest in folks who want to rock out superheroics. Part of me is torn (as a continuity-obsessed comics nerd) over letting metas loose in the US with everything that's happened if we're in the HR/Vanguard Universe, but I'm sure we can somehow explain that.

Given the military liaisoning we've gotten from the late General Forrest in the first two stories, I could see the MBL as a governmentally-aligned group of heroes (lots of good conflict there), which could give us a base and connections pretty easily. But that's my first suggestion.

I agree with you .

Just, the reason for which the metas are now "free" has to be found in the off-screen (not missing) year. In that year there should have taken place a series of things, from the liberation of Manhattan, to something concerning Mandelovia and the Black Hand, to something even more sublte concerning earth as a battleground between two alien races (hinted at in the very first HR stories) that have brought two consequencies: the metahumans have been accepted in the USA and the rest of the world; the the known metas have retired/disappeared.

I like the way Gooz had kept the past intact while at the same time gave it no importance, as to allow anyone with now knowledge of the past to feel no burdened by lack of knowledge of Vanguard continuity. And I also like the way the old Universe lurks into the present. Probably because it is more near my vision of the relation between this and the old universe -that I detailed in "When we where heroes" (have you read it?)- than Pro's own in "Heroes and Legend"...

But that we need to change flavour to the serie is evident...

I did explain the rebuilding of Promethean City in such a way that leaves open further stories, but other things leave further questions.

Questions are fun, cause we get to answer them!

The "partial" rebuilding, please, as we already wrote that the city is still a mess compared to Thunder. But the idea that it's literally in the hand of the Draco group is great, and open up so much possibilities for stories...

still beats the hole in the ground it'll still be if the government was left to do it...

LOL

Well, maybe the group has completed the rebuilding between issue 1 and 2.

But at least let's keep Promethean dirty and dark, while Thunder is clean and shiny.

I'll write when I can no matter what happens. The one thing I would say is let's keep Vanguard and MBL as separate as possible, okay? Like the JLA and...er...something gritty in the same universe, I can't think of anything. Anyway, the point I'm making is they can be in the same universe but not interact or share tone.

As it is, I'm gonna try and wrap up number 2 in my next post (I-Man, do you want X-Stream back with the team?) and then I have an idea for 3.

As for randomness, I say keep an element of that (Captain Mid-Nite and Doc Marvelo are both comic characters who benefit from that atmosphere), but use more serious elements as well. In other words, use Quinn, Doug, Hero and others to maintain stability, with the more comic creations able to muck about outside that.