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Where do these crazies get their ideas and the boldness to act on them. Precisely this. From in-your-face portrayal of such acts, and salacious news coverage of every juicy detail when someone acts out, as this twisted asshole did.
No, they do it because they are fucked up in the head. People are responsible for their own actions.
I wish that more shooters were capable of realizing this. It would prevent them from acting, and destroying a lot of happy and productive lives.
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But if people are responsible for their own actions (and they are) doesn't that also imply that they are also responsible when their actions or words encourage bad behavior?
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This guy really pisses me the fuck off.
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Threats Rattle Schools in 7 States
By Associated Press
3 hours ago
AUSTIN, Texas - Campus threats forced lock-downs and evacuations at universities and grade schools in seven states on Tuesday, a day after a Virginia Tech student's shooting rampage killed 33 people.
One threat in Louisiana directly mentioned the massacre in Virginia, while others were reports of suspicious activity in Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, North Dakota, South Dakota and Michigan.
In Louisiana, parents picked up hundreds of students from Bogalusa's high school and middle school amid reports that a man had been arrested Tuesday morning for threatening a mass killing in a note that alluded to the murders at Virginia Tech.
Schools Superintendent Jerry Payne said both schools were locked down and police arrested a 53-year-old man who allegedly made the threat in a note he gave to a student headed to the private Bowling Green School in Franklinton. Both towns are in southeastern Louisiana.
"The note referred to what happened at Virginia Tech," Payne said. "It said something like, 'If you think that was bad, then you haven't seen anything yet."
In Rapid City, S.D., schools were locked down after receiving reports of a man with a gun in a parking lot at Central High. No shots were fired and no injuries were reported, police said. The high school students were taken to the nearby Rushmore Plaza Civic Center, where parents were allowed to pick up their children.
In Austin, authorities evacuated buildings at St. Edward's University after a threatening note was found, a school official said.
Police secured the campus perimeter and were searching the buildings, St. Edward's University spokeswoman Mischelle Amador said. She declined to say where the note was found and said its contents were "nonspecific."
Amador said the university's reaction was not influenced by Monday's attack at Virginia Tech.
"No matter what day or when this would have happened, we will always take the necessary precautions to protect our students, our faculty, our staff, the entire university community," she said.
Seven North Dakota State University buildings were evacuated after a duffel bag was found outside a bus shelter in the main part of the campus. NDSU spokesman Dave Wahlberg said the shootings in Virginia reinforced the need to "err on the side of safety."
In Bloomfield Hills, Mich., police attributed a 30-minute lock-down at the exclusive Cranbrook Schools complex in response to jittery nerves following the Virginia slayings.
School officials called police after parents and students reported spotting a 6-foot-tall man in a skirt, high heels, lipstick and a blond wig near a school drop-off area outside Cranbrook's Kingswood Upper School, Lt. Paul Myszenski said. Police were unable to find anyone meeting the man's description.
At the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga, officials ordered three campus administration buildings evacuated for almost two hours Tuesday morning in response to a telephone bomb threat. The city's bomb squad searched the buildings but found nothing, campus spokesman Chuck Cantrell said.
Cantrell said there was no reason to believe the bogus threat was related to the shootings at Virginia Tech, but "we just chose to err on the side of caution today."
The other, at the University of Oklahoma, had started with a report of a man spotted on campus carrying a suspicious object, officials said.
The man was carrying an umbrella, not a weapon, and he later identified himself to authorities, University of Oklahoma President David Boren said in a statement. Boren initially had said the person was believed to carrying a yoga mat.
"We now consider the matter closed," Boren said. "We always want to err on the side of caution in a situation like this."
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And the copy - cat sicko/assholes have been heard from...
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in light of the Don Imus firing this really shouldnt suprise people....
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My god, you're opening up! You DO have a soul! I'm so PROUD of this day for you Pariah! PARTY! 
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in light of the Don Imus firing this really shouldnt suprise people....
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I'm not sure I see the connection, BSAMS.
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I'm not sure I see the connection, BSAMS.
I'm gonna have to roll with GAYFUCKASSHOLEPRICK-man on this one. Once.
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think about it, as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it, some people were offended by mere words from Imus and werent satisfied till he his career was destroyed, we dont know all the facts on this jerk but obviously he felt like whatever it was that "wronged him", whether it was taunts, an ex girlfriend, whatever that somehow people deserved to die for his perceived slight. at some point society needs to tell people suck it up, there will be good and bad and grow the fuck up....
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think about it, as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it, some people were offended by mere words from Imus and werent satisfied till he his career was destroyed, we dont know all the facts on this jerk but obviously he felt like whatever it was that "wronged him", whether it was taunts, an ex girlfriend, whatever that somehow people deserved to die for his perceived slight. at some point society needs to tell people suck it up, there will be good and bad and grow the fuck up....
I can easily agree with this, but yours is a very logical argument, Bsams. The asshole kid who shot 33 poeple including his own self was not employing logic. He was mental, truly mental.
Very sad.
Sadder still that someone didn't take his violent fantasies - writings seriously.
Ahhh.... hindsight is always 20-20....
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I see now, BSAMS. Good point.
"Sadder still that someone didn't take his violent fantasies - writings seriously." -Beardguy
I call bullshit; I used to draw and write and fantasize about all kinds of bad things (some of the more vivid ones were of skinning my Mom while she was lecturing me about something) and I turned out alright. I never acted on anything. People are always in control of themselves and need to accept that responsability.
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Writing, drawing, video games, movies and TV shows violent or not are for relaxation or release. Take those things away and society will get even worse. Crazy people will always be crazy no matter what they read, play or see.
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I see now, BSAMS. Good point.
"Sadder still that someone didn't take his violent fantasies - writings seriously." -Beardguy
I call bullshit; I used to draw and write and fantasize about all kinds of bad things (some of the more vivid ones were of skinning my Mom while she was lecturing me about something) and I turned out alright. I never acted on anything. People are always in control of themselves and need to accept that responsability.
I hear that, Uschi. I had lots of angry fantasies where I got even with all those who hurt me badly when I was younger.
I turned out okay in that I would not harm another except in self defense....
The kid did get into trouble but many people do when they are young... it's how we learn from experience not to do certain things.
That leaves us back to the question : How can ya tell who is gonna turn out okay and who is gonna be the next mass murderer? 
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But if people are responsible for their own actions (and they are) doesn't that also imply that they are also responsible when their actions or words encourage bad behavior?
I'm not sure if you intend these words with the same meaning I read them with,
G-man, but you seem to be making my point for me:
That all this sick shit, from Clive Barker to Grant Morrison to Garth Ennis, to serial-killer "dead teenager" movies, and so forth, does have an effect, does give ideas to-- and influence the behavior of --people already inclined to demented behavior.
I recall some ex-hooker on a Montell Williams talk show saying that the weirdest, sickest stuff men would ask her to do would begin saying: "I saw this in a porn movie..."
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I see now, BSAMS. Good point.
"Sadder still that someone didn't take his violent fantasies - writings seriously." -Beardguy
I call bullshit; I used to draw and write and fantasize about all kinds of bad things (some of the more vivid ones were of skinning my Mom while she was lecturing me about something) and I turned out alright. I never acted on anything. People are always in control of themselves and need to accept that responsability.
I hear that, Uschi. I had lots of angry fantasies where I got even with all those who hurt me badly when I was younger.
I turned out okay in that I would not harm another except in self defense....
The kid did get into trouble but many people do when they are young... it's how we learn from experience not to do certain things.
That leaves us back to the question : How can ya tell who is gonna turn out okay and who is gonna be the next mass murderer?
make sure they die and don't get book deals. That will deal with 1/2 of them.
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Writing, drawing, video games, movies and TV shows violent or not are for relaxation or release. Take those things away and society will get even worse. Crazy people will always be crazy no matter what they read, play or see.
Wonderboy, I have to agree with Rex on this one.
We'll always have crazy ones among us who will act out their violent impulses. They could use almost anything for inspiration.
Take away the stimuli, and they'll just make up their own.
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Writing, drawing, video games, movies and TV shows violent or not are for relaxation or release. Take those things away and society will get even worse. Crazy people will always be crazy no matter what they read, play or see.
I disagree that taking them away would make the problem worse.
I think it's completely opposite: That instead because of all this violent fantasy, intimidation and acting out, that society endorses and accepts vicarious intimidation power fantasies and vicarious violence to the level that it does, that people are more prone to that behavior. And statistics seem to back this trend.
Every country where television has been introduced, has shown a sharp uptick in the murder rate that coincided with the introduction of televised violent entertainment.
And in the last decade, for the first time in recorded history, women have shown a large uptick in violent crimes, attributed to the introduction of violent role models for women in recent movies and television shows, such as Thelma and Louise.
When women were not portrayed in glamorous violent roles, they were less prone to violence.
I disagree that they'll make up their own stimuli, Beardguy. I think in most cases, violence is an inspired act, that requires a spark. The categories of second-degree murder and manslaughter recognize that.
Take away the catalyst, and you could very well eliminate the circumstances that would lead to murder.
Like making the Atlantic Ocean one degree cooler in the summer lessens the breeding conditions for a hurricane.
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think about it, as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it, some people were offended by mere words from Imus and werent satisfied till he his career was destroyed, we dont know all the facts on this jerk but obviously he felt like whatever it was that "wronged him", whether it was taunts, an ex girlfriend, whatever that somehow people deserved to die for his perceived slight. at some point society needs to tell people suck it up, there will be good and bad and grow the fuck up....
Now I understand. Good point.
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Writing, drawing, video games, movies and TV shows violent or not are for relaxation or release. Take those things away and society will get even worse. Crazy people will always be crazy no matter what they read, play or see.
I disagree that taking them away would make the problem worse.
I think it's completely opposite: That instead because of all this violent fantasy, intimidation and acting out, that society endorses and accepts vicarious intimidation power fantasies and vicarious violence to the level that it does, that people are more prone to that behavior. And statistics seem to back this trend.
Every country where television has been introduced, has shown a sharp uptick in the murder rate that coincided with the introduction of televised violent entertainment.
And in the last decade, for the first time in recorded history, women have shown a large uptick in violent crimes, attributed to the introduction of violent role models for women in recent movies and television shows, such as Thelma and Louise.
When women were not portrayed in glamorous violent roles, they were less prone to violence.
I disagree that they'll make up their own stimuli, Beardguy. I think in most cases, violence is an inspired act, that requires a spark. The categories of second-degree murder and manslaughter recognize that.
Take away the catalyst, and you could very well eliminate the circumstances that would lead to murder.
Like making the Atlantic Ocean one degree cooler in the summer lessens the breeding conditions for a hurricane.
I hear you, WB, but we will always have the truly crazy ones who will find a way to act out.
Being crazy is part of being human.
You can't take away all the stimuli. It just ain't gonna happen.
At least not in the near future.
We are still only what,10,000 years out of the caves? We need a lot more time to evolve from being primitive apes.
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Coming from someone who is too afraid to post under his real id when spamming porn links
If you paid attention, you'd see that I'm not "afraid" to post under my I.D. in the women section. I have well over a hundred posts there. I've posted there under my I.D. in the last few weeks, and ongoing sporadically, for years, as the urge strikes me.
Since I also have a clear distaste for bondage or any form of violent sex, suggested or overt, your attempt to portray me falsely (again) comes up empty.
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think about it, as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it, some people were offended by mere words from Imus and werent satisfied till he his career was destroyed, we dont know all the facts on this jerk but obviously he felt like whatever it was that "wronged him", whether it was taunts, an ex girlfriend, whatever that somehow people deserved to die for his perceived slight. at some point society needs to tell people suck it up, there will be good and bad and grow the fuck up....
Now I understand. Good point.
Well argued, from that point of view.
But I would counter that Don Imus didn't kill or threaten anyone. I think what Imus said --calling a women's sport team "Ho's"-- was demeaning, both to himself and to the girls, but he has a right to say it, just as CBS has a right to dump him for someone whose on-air words are more carefully chosen.
As I said on the Imus topic, Imus is just repeating things that are said multiple times hourly in black rap videos, and by black comedians and other black entertainers.
The only part of Imus' stupidity I think is unfair is that blacks shouldn't get a free pass for perpetuating black stereotypes, while Imus gets publicly castrated for the exact same behavior.
If whites saying these words is offensive, then it should be equally offensive for blacks to say them. And at that point opinion of black culture would improve, and there would be a chance of actually eliminating these stereotypes. Where no one gets a free pass to perpetuate these words and stereotypes. And no double standard exists.
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If you paid attention, you'd see that I'm not "afraid" to post under my I.D. in the women section. I have well over a hundred posts there. I've posted there under my I.D. in the last few weeks, and ongoing sporadically, for years, as the urge strikes me.
Since I also have a clear distaste for bondage or any form of violent sex, suggested or overt, your attempt to portray me falsely (again) comes up empty.
We made fun of you for posting there, you changed your name. That makes you chicken.
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Writing, drawing, video games, movies and TV shows violent or not are for relaxation or release. Take those things away and society will get even worse. Crazy people will always be crazy no matter what they read, play or see.
I disagree that taking them away would make the problem worse.
I think it's completely opposite: That instead because of all this violent fantasy, intimidation and acting out, that society endorses and accepts vicarious intimidation power fantasies and vicarious violence to the level that it does, that people are more prone to that behavior. And statistics seem to back this trend.
Every country where television has been introduced, has shown a sharp uptick in the murder rate that coincided with the introduction of televised violent entertainment.
And in the last decade, for the first time in recorded history, women have shown a large uptick in violent crimes, attributed to the introduction of violent role models for women in recent movies and television shows, such as Thelma and Louise.
When women were not portrayed in glamorous violent roles, they were less prone to violence.
I disagree that they'll make up their own stimuli, Beardguy. I think in most cases, violence is an inspired act, that requires a spark. The categories of second-degree murder and manslaughter recognize that.
Take away the catalyst, and you could very well eliminate the circumstances that would lead to murder.
Like making the Atlantic Ocean one degree cooler in the summer lessens the breeding conditions for a hurricane.
I hear you, WB, but we will always have the truly crazy ones who will find a way to act out.
Being crazy is part of being human.
You can't take away all the stimuli. It just ain't gonna happen.
At least not in the near future.
We are still only what, 10,000 years out of the caves? We need a lot more time to evolve from being primitive apes.
But we haven't had broadcast violent entertainment for all that 10,000 years, only for about 80 years (radio and talking films), and television less time than that.
It's a fact, as you say, that violent crime has always been with human civilization.
But it's also clear that something changed in our civilization with the introduction of broadcast entertainment.
Violence always existed, yes.
But how much more so now with entertainment that increasingly teaches a lack of restraint, and glamorizes violence, intimidation, profanity and in-your-face vulgarity.
I think all these things occur more often because of glamorization in our culture.
Murder as well.
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If you paid attention, you'd see that I'm not "afraid" to post under my I.D. in the women section. I have well over a hundred posts there. I've posted there under my I.D. in the last few weeks, and ongoing sporadically, for years, as the urge strikes me.
Since I also have a clear distaste for bondage or any form of violent sex, suggested or overt, your attempt to portray me falsely (again) comes up empty.
We made fun of you for posting there, you changed your name. That makes you chicken.
Except that I'm still posting in the WOMEN section, sock boy.
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Anytime someone like you calls me sock boy or socktard that means you can't admit to being wrong.
I win again.
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think about it, as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it, some people were offended by mere words from Imus and werent satisfied till he his career was destroyed, we dont know all the facts on this jerk but obviously he felt like whatever it was that "wronged him", whether it was taunts, an ex girlfriend, whatever that somehow people deserved to die for his perceived slight. at some point society needs to tell people suck it up, there will be good and bad and grow the fuck up....
Now I understand. Good point.
Well argued, from that point of view.
But I would counter that Don Imus didn't kill or threaten anyone. I think what Imus said --calling a women's sport team "Ho's"-- was demeaning, both to himself and to the girls, but he has a right to say it, just as CBS has a right to dump him for someone whose on-air words are more carefully chosen.
As I said on the Imus topic, Imus is just repeating things that are said multiple times hourly in black rap videos, and by black comedians and other black entertainers.
The only part of Imus' stupidity I think is unfair is that blacks shouldn't get a free pass for perpetuating black stereotypes, while Imus gets publicly castrated for the exact same behavior.
If whites saying these words is offensive, then it should be equally offensive for blacks to say them. And at that point opinion of black culture would improve, and there would be a chance of actually eliminating these stereotypes. Where no one gets a free pass to perpetuate these words and stereotypes. And no double standard exists.
are you so political that you cant even read what i said?
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Well, BSAMS, I acknowledged the validity of your point of view, but also counter-argued that while "as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it", our society is very selective and arbitrary in what speech it allows, and what speech it destroys.
I argued for a less partisan and more universal standard. If hate speech by Imus or other whites is unacceptable, then similar speech by blacks using black racial slurs should not be allowed either. Otherwise, why condemn any slurs, by Imus or anyone else.
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Another Scare Rattles Va. Tech Campus
By ADAM GELLER, AP National Writer
1 hour ago
BLACKSBURG, Va. - Virginia Tech students still on edge after the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history got another scare Wednesday morning as police in SWAT gear with weapons drawn swarmed Burruss Hall, which houses the president's office.
The threat of suspicious activity turned out to be unfounded, said Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said, and the building was reopened. But students were rattled.
"They were just screaming, 'Get off the sidewalks,'" said Terryn Wingler-Petty, a junior from Wisconsin. "They seemed very confused about what was going on. They were just trying to get people organized."
One officer was seen escorting a crying young woman out of Burruss Hall, telling her, "It's OK. It's OK."
The student who had killed 32 people in two university buildings on Monday had also killed himself, but he left behind a bomb threat, and the school was investigating whether he had any links to previous bomb threats on campus.
Cho Seung-Hui's roommates and professors on Wednesday described a troubled, very quite young man who rarely spoke to his roommates or made eye contact with them. His bizarre behavior became even less predictable in recent weeks, roommates Joseph Aust and Karan Grewal said.
Grewal said he had pulled an all-nighter on homework before the shootings and saw Cho at around 5 a.m.
"He didn't look me in the eye. Same old thing. I left him alone," He told CNN. He said when he saw Cho that morning and during the weekend, Cho didn't smile, didn't frown and didn't show any signs of anger. Grewal also said he never saw any weapons.
Several students and professors described Cho as a sullen loner. Authorities said he left a rambling note raging against women and rich kids. News reports said that Cho, a 23-year-old senior majoring in English, may have been taking medication for depression and that he was becoming increasingly erratic.
Professors and classmates were alarmed by his class writings _ pages filled with twisted, violence-drenched writing.
"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told CNN Wednesday.
"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy. It was the meanness _ I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people _ it was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."
Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken out of her class, saying she would quit if he wasn't removed.
Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she tutored Cho after that.
"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to see his face."
Roy also described using a code word with her assistant to call police if she ever felt threatened by Cho, but she said she never used it.
Cho's writing was so disturbing, though, he was referred to the university's counseling service, said Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department.
In screenplays Cho wrote for a class last fall, characters throw hammers and attack with chainsaws, said a student who attended Virginia Tech last fall. In another, Cho concocted a tale of students who fantasize about stalking and killing a teacher who sexually molested them.
"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare," former classmate Ian MacFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a blog posted on an AOL Web site.
"The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of."
He said he and other students "were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter."
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling."
Despite the many warning signs that came to light in the bloody aftermath, police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set Cho off.
Cho _ who arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., where his parents worked at a dry cleaners _ left a note that was found after the bloodbath.
A law enforcement official described it Tuesday as a typed, eight-page rant against rich kids and religion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.
"You caused me to do this," the official quoted the note as saying.
Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.
The official said the letter was either found in Cho's dorm room or in his backpack. The backpack was found in the hallway of the classroom building where the shootings happened, and contained several rounds of ammunition, the official said.
With classes canceled for the rest of the week, many students left town.
Tuesday night, thousands of Virginia Tech students, faculty and area residents poured into the center of campus to grieve together. Volunteers passed out thousands of candles in paper cups, donated from around the country. Then, as the flames flickered, speakers urged them to find solace in one another.
As silence spread across the grassy bowl of the drill field, a pair of trumpets began to play taps. A few in the crowd began to sing Amazing Grace.
Afterward, students, some weeping, others holding each other for support, gathered around makeshift memorials, filling banners and plywood boards with messages belying their pain.
"I think this is something that will take a while. It still hasn't hit a lot of people yet," said Amber McGee, a freshman from Wytheville, Va.
Monday's rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart _ first at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom building, where 31 people, including Cho, died. Two handguns _ a 9 mm and a .22-caliber _ were found in the classroom building.
According to court papers, police found a "bomb threat" note _ directed at engineering school buildings _ near the victims in the classroom building. In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech was hit with two other bomb threats. Investigators have not connected those earlier threats to Cho.
Cho graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va.
At least one of those killed in the rampage, Reema Samaha, graduated from Westfield High in 2006. But there was no immediate word from authorities on whether Cho knew the young woman and singled her out.
"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him.
Some classmates said that on the first day of a British literature class last year, the 30 or so students went around and introduced themselves. When it was Cho's turn, he didn't speak.
On the sign-in sheet where everyone else had written their names, Cho had written a question mark. "Is your name, `Question mark?'" classmate Julie Poole recalled the professor asking. The young man offered little response.
Cho spent much of that class sitting in the back of the room, wearing a hat and seldom participating. In a small department, Cho distinguished himself for being anonymous. "He didn't reach out to anyone. He never talked," Poole said.
"We just really knew him as the question mark kid," Poole said.
One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony.
Roanoke Firearms owner John Markell said his shop sold the Glock and a box of practice ammo to Cho 36 days ago for $571.
"He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea at all that a purchase is suspicious," Markell said.
Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But State Police ballistics tests showed one gun was used in both.
And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were on both guns. Their serial numbers had been filed off.
Gov. Tim Kaine said he will appoint a panel at the university's request to review authorities' handling of the disaster. Parents and students bitterly complained that the university should have locked down the campus immediately after the first burst of gunfire and did not do enough to warn people.
Kaine warned against making snap judgments and said he had "nothing but loathing" for those who take the tragedy and "make it their political hobby horse to ride."
"I'm satisfied that the university did everything they felt they needed to do with the heat on the table," Kaine told CBS' "The Early Show" on Wednesday. "Nobody has this in the playbook, there's no manual on this."
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"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok.
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Anytime someone like you calls me sock boy or socktard that means you can't admit to being wrong.
And anytime you call someone else a name of any sort, you lose, again.
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The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was identified Tuesday as an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service.
Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior, arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., officials said. He was living on campus in a different dorm from the one where Monday's bloodbath began.
Police and university officials offered no clues to his motive in the massacre, but a rambling note was reportedly found in Cho's dorm room.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the note railed against "rich kids" and "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
Sources told the Tribune that the words "ISMAIL AX" were also found written in red ink on the inside of one of Cho's arms.
The reference may be to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham, where God commands the patriarch to sacrifice his own son. Abraham begins to comply, but God intervenes at the last moment to save the boy.
In the Jewish and Christian traditions, the son is Isaac, father of the Jewish people; in Islam, it is his brother, Ismail (Ishmael in Hebrew).
Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax.
A more obscure reference may be to a passage in the Koran referring to Abraham's destruction of pagan idols; in some accounts, he uses an ax to do so.
Interesting....
So it "may be" a connection or reference to Islam. Wow, that's proof, huh?
Notice you gloss over him having easy access to guns because gun control is a liberal issue.
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rex, Pariah, BSAMS, Llance and myself were talking about guns on the first two pages of the thread.
I guess you missed it because there were no YouTube videos posted to those pages.
But try and keep up.
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rex, Pariah, BSAMS, Llance and myself were talking about guns on the first two pages of the thread.
I guess you missed it because there were no YouTube videos posted to those pages.
But try and keep up.
the article you linked to spoke heavily about guns and how he got them. The "may be" a reference part was so minor and more opinion and speculation than fact.
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think about it, as a society we have become accustomed to believing if something offends us destroy it, some people were offended by mere words from Imus and werent satisfied till he his career was destroyed, we dont know all the facts on this jerk but obviously he felt like whatever it was that "wronged him", whether it was taunts, an ex girlfriend, whatever that somehow people deserved to die for his perceived slight. at some point society needs to tell people suck it up, there will be good and bad and grow the fuck up....
It turns out that BSAMS isn't the only one drawing connections between the shootings and Don Imus.
In a speech yesterday, Barack Hussein Obama compared what mass murder at Virginia Tech to Don Imus’s botched joke, calling both a form of "violence."
He also compared the shootings to the outsourcing of jobs. According to Obama, outsourcing is “violence” because “men and women who have worked all their lives and suddenly have the rug pulled out from under them because their job is moved to another country.”
Offering these types of comments while 32 families are grieving? Astonishingly inappropriate at best. “Appalling” probably hits closer to the mark for most people.
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i dont think Imus had a botched joke, apparently his audience finds him funny.
my point was the people calling for his ouster arent much different than people who shoot up buildings/people.
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