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We agreed about that quite a long time ago G-man. You just get stuck in partisan mode & forget

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Thread: Barack Hussein Obama in '08?

Ah yes. An OVERT attack along that line. A cowardly one at that since it was done with no way to trace it's origin.

While I'm not sure that Hillary is completely wrong about Obama being a closet Mulsim, I must say: my favorite part of this whole election cycle is watching so many liberals come to the conclusion that many of us came to as far back as 1992: the Clintons really are sleazy people.

Hillary Clinton never said that G-man. When you & other conservatives pull this spin you just show who you really want to be on the ticket. Shame on you!

I know, MEM, I know. Because Hillary refuses to admit what everyone knows (namely, her complicity in these attacks) you can cling to the fiction that she isn't behind it.

It's pretty sleazy of you to say stuff like that. At best your guessing she's guilty because you want her to be. That just demonstrates your utter lack of character.

I know, MEM. I know. You hope we'll forget about her having to fire various staffers when they were caught spreading anti-Obama rumors.

do the partners at your "lawfirm" or your "clients" know how many billable hours you spend either on a message board or on photoshop preparing for a message board?

I do most of the photoshopping on weekends and evenings and save it for later.

And I don't spend as much time on the board as you think. I tend to keep a browser window open most of the time (so it looks like I'm here) but only post during breaks between meetings, lunch hours, etc.

The Boston Globe” reports three federal employees in two different unidentified agencies are now under investigation for forwarding it from their government computers, a violation of a law banning civil servants from engaging in politics while on the job.

Nobody knows where the Obama smear began, but it has been promoted on right-wing Web sites. At least one official Republican Party Web site pulled it down only by the Clark County GOP in Washington with an admission that they thought it was true.

The e-mail has also spread across the globe via military e-mail, with some U.S. Army members admonished by superiors for having forwarded it. An almost literal version of an aphorism usually credited to Mark Twain but probably actually said in an 1855 sermon by Baptist preacher Charles H. Spurgeon: “A lie will go around the world while truth is pulling its boots on.”

Yep. Sounds like if it's Hillary.

From MSNBC:

• the Clinton campaign has "acknowledged that an Iowa county chair volunteering for the campaign passed along the now-notorious email" that repeats "the false claim that [Obama] attended a madrassa as a child."

Also:
Hillary Silent on Bob Johnson's Obama Smear

Second Clinton Volunteer Resigns Over Obama Muslim Email

Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark

Hillary's Nixonian Tactics Against Obama

Heh. Must be the vast ring conspiracy making all her supporters do these things.

First, we're discussing 2 entirely different E-mail campaigns. Second, while I don't support and rightly condemn Hillary Clinton and her own sleaze merchants and DO NOT support her candidacy on account of these sort of political attacks, you have to acknowledge however that the right wing blogosphere is doing their own share of running with the ball they've been given.

I know it's been debated here and you like to play innocent about it, but honestly, what is the point of repeatedly emphasizing Obama's middle name when I see NO ONE doing the same anywhere in the media save for the right wing blogosphere, right there alongside whatever rumour and slander about his religion they can get? Not even Clinton is trying to get traction from that.

Yes yes, well, THAT IS his name, isn't it??

That's an interesting spin, given that the emails I mentioned are, like the emails you mentioned, chain emails about Barack Hussein Obama being a Muslim.

Thank you Whomod, I know your no fan of Hillary but this sums thing up nicely.

And G-man, I recognize that you not only hold Hillary accountable for the actions for everyone in her huge campaign but that she actually had those two campaign workers carrying out her implicit orders. You also believe all the misinformation that conservatives are running around & saying about Obama. Whatever

Come on, MEM. Even your fellow liberals have been complaining about the public cheap shots that Bill and Hillary are talking against Obama in terms of his race and similar areas. And you expect us to believe that they wouldn't approve of a behind the scenes campaign as well?

Those would be the super-sensitive liberals and/or the Obama supporters who are only trying to spin the Clintons as racist. It's truly shameful to see so many Obama supporters take Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comment & turn it into him playing the race card.

And no I don't think they would approve of the "Obama is a muslim" attack. That takes a person like yourself for example. (and even then you probably only do it when your ID is secret)

Who gives a rats ar$e if Obama is a muslim?

Apart from ignorant yanks, that is?

7 years of GOP rule has taught us that Muslims are akin to Hitler and the devil rolled into one.

Thus the need for G-Man to emphasize Obama's middle name every chance he can.

I wonder what middle name G-man has?

Reagan

Heh.

I wanted to name a daughter "Reagan" (since some people use that as a girl's name) but Mrs G wouldn't let me.

Okay, now it looks like Obama is in real trouble: MoveOn Endorses Obama, Pledges to Mobilize on Feb. 5.

Those "MoveOn" wackjobs are a curse, if you ask me.

I can imagine the Lears she would've gotten if you'd done that.

(In Shakespeare's "King Lear," Regan was the name of one of Lear's daughters)

(It's not funny if you have to explain it)

I post what I post for my own amusement, not anyone else's. No need to kick up a Tempest about it.

The RNC sent out a mailer to their list (.pdf) based on a study from the allegedly “non-partisan” (ha!) National Journal:



Looking at the analysis, the numbers don’t add up. *shock*

They claim that Obama and Clinton only differed on 10 votes, but somehow Obama comes in first and Clinton is #16. Fuzzy math, I tell ya. In fact, looking at the voting chart the NJ uses to draw their conclusions, it’s obvious that there are a few senators who are clearly more liberal than Obama. In fact, as this poll from Progressive Punch suggests, every Democratic Senator has a more liberal voting record than Obama, except Baucus, Biden, Pryor, Dodd (due to absenses on crucial votes), Landrieu and Ben Nelson — but since when do right wing journalists let those pesky facts get in the way? Let us not forget that in 2004, they claimed that…you guessed it, John Kerry and John Edwards were the most liberal senators. What a coincidence.

And besides, after the havoc the Republicans have wreaked on our country and around the world the past seven years, being called a Liberal isn’t a bad thing. Considering how wrong Bush and his enabling Republican cronies have been, does the National Journal really want to be saying that Barack Obama has been right more often than any other senator?

That's because on the issues of (1) domestic spending, (2) the deficit, and (3)not cracking down on illegal immigration, and even (4) nation-building, Bush has behaved like a tax-and-spend liberal, rather than like a Republican.

And don't forget that the Democrats you exalt as the Great Alternative, are the same individuals who voted for the Iraq war, and for all the domestic spending you deceptively blame entirely on Bush.

Although Bush deserves criticism for not exerting his veto power to cut Congressional spending and earmarks. At the end of his presidency, he finally talks tough about actually using it.

Obama sounds like Osama.
Anyone else notice that? It could hurt him, the way that Joey Clitler was hurt by having the same name as Stalin.

What a gross generalization to make! I'm sure there are some out there that felt that way but that doesn't justify such a statement. Is this a tabloid paper?

Apparently Obama has offered a bit of a threat to superdelegates...


Mark Nickolas Blog

This is the unity guy who has no problem with all those voters from Florida & Michigan not getting to send delegates?

How is it a "threat" to point out that it would something of an ethical quandry if the super delegates vote against the wishes of those they claim to represent?

In any event, it's my understanding that Obama may actually ahead of Clinton in delegates at this point:

• In a surprise twist after a chaotic Super Tuesday, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) passed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) in network tallies of the number of delegates the candidates racked up last night.
  
  The Obama camp now projects topping Clinton by 13 delegates, 847 to 834.
  
  NBC News, which is projecting delegates based on the Democratic Party's complex formula, figures Obama will wind up with 840 to 849 delegates, versus 829 to 838 for Clinton.
  
  Clinton was portrayed in many news accounts as the night’s big winner, but Obama’s campaign says he wound up with a higher total where it really counts — the delegates who will choose the party’s nominee at this summer’s Democratic convention.
  
  With the delegate count still under way, NBC News said Obama appears to have won around 840 delegates in yesterday’s contests, while Clinton earned about 830 — “give or take a few,” Tim Russert, the network’s Washington bureau chief, said on the “Today” show.
  
  
  The Obama campaign attached an Excel spreadsheet containing “state-by-state estimates of the pledged delegates we won last night, which total 845 for Obama and 836 for Clinton — bringing the to-date total of delegates to 908 for Obama, 884 for Clinton.”

Superdelegates are not supposed to be just rubber stamps. There is no ethical quandry unless they pick someone that they think shouldn't be President.

By bringing up the issue in the way he did I see it as a bit of a threat. After all why bring it up unless he feels they should just be rubber stamps?

There's a difference between criticism and threats.

Even if one concedes that Obama is incorrect on the role of a superdelegate, I don't see how suggesting those delegates "think long and hard" about how to vote can be fairly viewed as an act of intimidation or retaliation.

At worst, Obama seems to be saying that failure to listen to their constitency may have political implications for them.

If, on the other hand, you can show that Obama is promising to use his influence to create political implications I could see what you mean. But from what you posted I don't see it.

Like for example Kennedy?

Btw unless Obama thinks superdelegates don't think long & hard about their choice why say it? Does anyone think they don't think about who they pick?

Are you saying that, if the superdelegates don't vote for Obama he plans to drive them off a bridge and leave them to drown?

I heard his middle name ain't much better.

Speaking of middle names...

I remember when I first started this thread, MEM kept changing the title to remove references to Obama's middle name. In fact, he was very critical of mentioning that name, calling it "a sad attempt to play on people's uglier sides." (#761721 - 12/10/06 06:45 PM)

Then, about the same time Obama starting beating Hillary in the primaries, MEM stopped removing the middle name, even though he still studiously changes the "Hillary" thread title (and certain other titles) whenever he posts there.

In fact, MEM is so O-C about changing thread titles that he sometimes does it just to add an explanation point to the title, in place of a question mark.

Further, he stopped removing the reference to Obama's middle name about the same time that some of Hillary's staff/volunteers were caught circulating an email about how Obama was a closet Muslim.

Funny about that....especially given MEM's near Jihadist devotion to Senator Clinton and all...