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If by "liberal," you mean "scientifically accurate and proven," then yes.

Reality, as you know, has a liberal bias. That's why Mr. Bush don't hold much with book-learnin' or them sciency types.

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 Originally Posted By: Calybos

Reality, as you know, has a liberal bias.


All kidding aside, that's about as stupid a statement as "liberalism is mental disorder."

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Well of course it is.

But scientific fact is scientific fact; attempts to censor or alter it to suit political leanings are silly and counterproductive.

And on climate change, as on evolution, the people who actually know what they're talking about--i.e., the scientists--have spoken. You don't get to argue that you don't like their conclusions, and you don't get to drag in talking heads--even PhDs from unrelated fields--to try to deny it. It's settled.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_el_pr/obama


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Democratic candidate Barack Obama criticized Republican John McCain on Tuesday for taking a page out of "the Cheney playbook" on energy, overlooking his own support of oil-friendly policies that the unpopular vice president helped to craft.

Vice President Dick Cheney, a former oilman, early in the Bush administration helped draft an energy policy that Obama asserted is biased in favor of tax breaks and favorable treatment for big oil. Obama's remarks were an attempt to capitalize on Cheney's unpopularity.

"President Bush, he had an energy policy. He turned to Dick Cheney and he said, 'Cheney, go take care of this,'" Obama said. "Cheney met with renewable-energy folks once and oil and gas (executives) 40 times. McCain has taken a page out of the Cheney playbook."

In stumping Tuesday in this key battleground state, Obama sought to link the troubled economy with Republican policies and offer his own energy plan in contrast. He has tried to cast McCain as more concerned about oil company profits and drilling than an overall energy strategy.

However, Obama himself voted for a 2005 energy bill backed by Bush that included billions in subsidies for oil and natural gas production, a measure Cheney played a major role in developing. McCain opposed the bill on grounds it included billions in unnecessary tax breaks for the oil industry.




whoopsy!

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 Originally Posted By: Calybos
I notice the challenge has gone unanswered.

Science is the determination of facts and explanations for what's going on. It proceeds by successive reduction of doubt/uncertainty, improving its accuracy with each pass.

Nothing else even comes close to the success record of science. So forgive me if I show entirely justified disdain for clueless idiots making wild guesses and saying "That's just as likely as what qualified scientific minds are saying, because they haven't been 100% accurate since Day One like me!"



look i can see how you feel this way you've been spoon fed this throughout school. i really pity people like yourself and westley, hell you had to register an alt to even debate this. i think the westley dud is an alright guy from most of his posts, just because he and whomever you are are naive doesnt make you bad people, just naive.


the fact is what you hold up as fact today will be disproven tomorrow shows that your facts are flawed. for me to pay higher energy prices because today your "facts" say we need to curb emissions or the planet will burn up strikes me of chicken little. but go ahead and stick your head in the sand, just dont expect me to be as big a sucker as you.

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_el_pr/obama


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Democratic candidate Barack Obama criticized Republican John McCain on Tuesday for taking a page out of "the Cheney playbook" on energy, overlooking his own support of oil-friendly policies that the unpopular vice president helped to craft.

Vice President Dick Cheney, a former oilman, early in the Bush administration helped draft an energy policy that Obama asserted is biased in favor of tax breaks and favorable treatment for big oil. Obama's remarks were an attempt to capitalize on Cheney's unpopularity.

"President Bush, he had an energy policy. He turned to Dick Cheney and he said, 'Cheney, go take care of this,'" Obama said. "Cheney met with renewable-energy folks once and oil and gas (executives) 40 times. McCain has taken a page out of the Cheney playbook."

In stumping Tuesday in this key battleground state, Obama sought to link the troubled economy with Republican policies and offer his own energy plan in contrast. He has tried to cast McCain as more concerned about oil company profits and drilling than an overall energy strategy.

However, Obama himself voted for a 2005 energy bill backed by Bush that included billions in subsidies for oil and natural gas production, a measure Cheney played a major role in developing. McCain opposed the bill on grounds it included billions in unnecessary tax breaks for the oil industry.




whoopsy!


Not that Obama will say anything to get elected...

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"I was for Bush's energy policies, before I was against them"

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the complete ad:



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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
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the star of david over the world trade center is meant to mean what exactly?


Bow ties are coool.
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it's america's birds coming home to roost, did you miss another sermon?

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Thread: Re:Obama flip-flops on energy vote

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
it's america's birds coming home to roost, did you miss another sermon?


But Jews don't like Obama.


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please try to keep up.

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
please try to keep up.


Wait, you mean to tell me that we were attacked for something besides our freedom, wealth, and white whores?

Bolderdash.


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obama's mentor, rev. wright would be ashamed by your ignorance.

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 Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
tis a shortage of perfect bresats in the world.

it'd be a pity to damage basams'

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Obama is a Muslim and hates America.

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 Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
Obama is a Muslim and hates America.

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Have fun storming the castle!

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
Have fun storming the castle!


Though your obsession is flattering, it doesn't mean I'll concede any points.


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i win again!

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Nice one, BSAMS.

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anyone been reading at the calls to black list Jon Voight in Hollywood for his op-ed piece about Obama's failings. oh to be a left winger, you stand for freedom, except when it is opposition speech.....

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btw here is the op-ed, very well written:

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We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.

Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.

The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.

The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.

Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.

Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.

If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.

Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.

This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.

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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
anyone been reading at the calls to black list Jon Voight in Hollywood for his op-ed piece about Obama's failings. oh to be a left winger, you stand for freedom, except when it is opposition speech.....

Yes, I've been reading that there HAVE been no such calls to blacklist Voight, except in the fevered imaginations of pathetic right-wingers like FreeRepublic.

Voight's free to air his hypocritical nonsense all he likes. Blacklisting was a right-wing activity, remember?

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what color is the sky in your world?

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Funnily enough; Nascar, Formula 1, Rally Cross, Ford, Mitsubishi, Toyota, and "others" also advocate proper tire maintenance to obtain peak efficiency.

Those damned commies at Nascar, they'll rue the day!!


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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
what color is the sky in your world?


Just give us the proof that he's been blacklisted and the point's your's.


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give me proof that he's not.

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also you forgot to log into you Cylabis alt.

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 Originally Posted By: Calybos
Yes, I've been reading that there HAVE been no such calls to blacklist Voight, except in the fevered imaginations of pathetic right-wingers like FreeRepublic.


I'm not sure whether to call this "apparent elitist denial" or "denial of apparent elitism."

Or maybe I should just settle for calling you naive.

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Voight's free to air his hypocritical nonsense all he likes. Blacklisting was a right-wing activity, remember?


Actually, it's more of a person(s) in power activity.

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I hope no one tells the lefties that there was a Hollywood Communism Blacklisting that took place in the the early 1900's. Most of those blacklisted were investigated by the FBI by order of Democrat and Republican congressional committees, of course I'm sure the Dems were forced.

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the hippies were to blame for vietnam, not the men giving the orders and starting the wars nor the men making millions off the war?


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 Originally Posted By: britneyspearsatemyshorts
give me proof that he's not.


It is for the positive position to prove their point. If it were not so, groundless, ridiculous claims would have to be taken as fact just on the basis that one cannot always disprove the impossible to observe.

IE: Should you say that pluto is composed of Rocky Road icecream, it is your burden to prove it so, and not my burden to fly to pluto and prove it false.


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also you forgot to log into you Cylabis alt.


I hope you're not saying he's my alt. You've gotta be talking to Ray, right?

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