Doctor Who is a UK series about an alien time traveler and the normal humans who take fantastic trips into the unknown with him. The crux of the series is the time traveler is a complete mystery to his closest of companions. Known only as "The Doctor", he is a renegade (criminal?) of his own people, and, quite possibly, the last of his race.
For reasons that remain untold, he went on the run from his home planet centuries ago, stealing a faulty time machine in the process. The "TARDIS" (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) can travel anywhere and any time. In the pilot episode of the series (Novemeber 23, 1963) he landed in 1960's England, where its chameleon/cloaking mechanism left the ship looking like an old Police Box (a British phone booth for law enforcement before the advent of CB's). Subsequently, he has never been able to repair it.
Two things to be known about the TARDIS:
-It is bigger on the inside than the out. Folded dimensions, and the like.
-It is, in comparison to the technology of the Doctor's race, a relic. It was under repair for faulty systems when he stole and ran away. Thus, he has a hard time controlling where it takes him.
The Doctor (a breakdown)
-The Doctor's race are referred to as Time Lords. They are the only race known in the universe that have ever acheived time travel technology.
-The Doctor has an I.Q. of, like, 2017.
-The Doctor has two hearts.
-When near death, the Doctor's species has an ability called "regeneration". Essentially, his body breaks down to the molecular level, repairs itself, and slaps back together in under a few seconds. The only problem is, there is no blueprint for the physical appearance. Thus, everytime he regenerates, his physical appearance can change completely. Time Lord's can only do this twelve times, and then, it really is death.
Excited much? It's on tomorrow evening so I went out and grabbed some tapes this weekend...Soon you will be able to see it in all of it's low budget glory (if the previews are any indication).
Quote: Pariah said: I don't really care since I was never into Who.
Then why even bother responding? How about starting some threads about things you like?
Anyway, can't wait to see this stuff. The trailer for the second ep. looks like classic Who all the way. Been waiting a long time for them to do this again.
klinton: You rock! And, as far as "low budget", I think you're thinking about the old series. Man, the original Star Trek series had a bigger budget. But, yeah, I'm twisting my own nipple over this new series. Doctor Who got me into science fiction when I was only six (1978). A contemporary series where the budget is good and the stories are updated....can't wait!
Pariah : That's a shame. Did you see the old series and not get into it? Or, is this just something you don't want to try? The new stuff looks great. You should consider at least giving it a shot if you ever get a chance. Never know. You might dig it.
Nope. No one has picked it up yet. Rumors have it that DVD's will be released over here by the end of the year, though. Canada and Australia are all getting it broadcast, though. Klinton will be getting me the episodes from Canada. If anyone is interested, I can try and pump out some copies to be mailed out...
Quote: Prometheus said: klinton: You rock! And, as far as "low budget", I think you're thinking about the old series.
I guess it's adaquate...but no, I'm talking about the new one. I just don't like sci-fi on televeision (slassic example was when I saw our camping bbq painted white standing in for a computer core on Alias...laughed my ass off the whole episode). The poorly handled CGI just irks the living shit outta me. I'll have to give it a go though...perhaps the 30 second spots that I've seen don't do the series justice. 'Mr. Paddle Hands' though just looks stupid....IMHO.
I guess I was never concerned with the effects. I mean, hell, I'm a fan of the original series, and those were horrible effects. I mean bad. So, if I can stomach that, I'll take my silly update...
Quote: Prometheus said: Pariah : That's a shame. Did you see the old series and not get into it? Or, is this just something you don't want to try?
Actually no, I just kept missing it and eventually gave up after a few eps.
I'll prolly give this new series a shot, but after looking at the premise, I just don't understand the appeal so much anymore. When remembering the original series, I didn't see that it had much to offer in terms of action. I used to concur with people that it was all the rage as a sci-fi, but then I just kinda stopped and thought about its contents. I only saw about 7 eps, but there wasn't a single one I didn't get bored with briefly.
I liked Doctor Who because it wasn't an action based sci-fi. It was very story driven. Even when hampered with bad FX, low budgets, and some melodramatic acting, the stories were damned good. See if you can rent or borrow the DVD's or tapes for The Deadly Assasign, The Talons of Weng Chi-ang, or The Pyramid of Mars. Really dark stuff. Or even The Spearhead from Space, which has to be one of the most violent Who episodes I've ever seen.
Judging from the first ep, this is a fun show. I'm looking forward to more. I was always more of a Red Dwarf fan, but if I can't have Dwarf I'll settle for Who.
Well, from what I gather, this new series continues straight from the original, but, is designed so that anyone can jump right in. Would that be your assessment, TTT? I mean, I know you know at least a little about the original series. But, does it offer new viewers an easy step-in?
Yeah, it's very accessible to a new viewer. They pretty much come at the character and the whole "Doctor Who" thing from an outsider's viewpoint. The sidekick is really valuable for that. They also have this conspiracy-buff guy the sidekick visits who has info he's gathered on his own about the Doctor -- that was a nice nod to the X-Files' Lone Gunmen, whether intentional or not -- and it makes you think of the Doctor's place in the world the way you might think of UFOs or other strange phenomena which may or may not exist.
The inside of the Tardis looks too organic, though -- kind of like the inside of a whale rather than the classy joint it used to be. But that's just a small complaint.
This is the only pic I could find with the new interior console room...
Hmmm. I don't mind it, really. It was definitely designed by Bryan Hitch, that's for sure. Guess I'll just have to see it in action before I can make a real opinion...
To PJP, I'd also recommend Remembrance of the Daleks, Genesis of The Daleks, The curse of Peladon and the Daemons/Demons. Those are some of my personal favourites.
This month's issue of Rue Morgue has an article on Doctor Who. It wasn't that long but it was a decent primer for new fans. I used to casually watch the Tom Baker episodes. There was one where there was what I think was a giant space caterpiller and it infected people who would then become caterpillar-like. I only saw up to the third part. Does anyone remember this - what it was called? I'd love to get it on DVD - the final scene of the half-caterpillar/half human yelling at the Doctor gave me nightmares for days!
Revenge of the Cybermen (I think), Baker's....what?...fourth? fifth? episode ever? Good stuff. If I can dig out a copy (not sure if I have that one) I can send it to you Joe.
Nowhereman, you've just made this thread soooo much more interesting. So, what do you think about the show? Any opinions?
Quote: Prometheus said: Revenge of the Cybermen (I think), Baker's....what?...fourth? fifth? episode ever? Good stuff. If I can dig out a copy (not sure if I have that one) I can send it to you Joe.
Nowhereman, you've just made this thread soooo much more interesting. So, what do you think about the show? Any opinions?
Havent seen it! Its on Saturday night & I usually work then!
Dude...you may not realize this, but, some of us Americans are very jealous that you guys in the UK get to see this in prime time, while we'll have to wait for a download or DVD release. I mean, I'll buy you a VCR....
I got a VCR,but there is very little tv that I record as I rarely find anything that important if I miss it. I know if I really wanna see something,it'll be repeated &/or released on DVD to buy later!
Literally the only thing I ever record is WWE,and thats for someone else who doesnt have satellite tv!
I hate using VCRs cause they are like antiques technology wise!
Saw the Rose ep. Fucking awesome. Ecclestion(sp?) does a great job as the Doctor. The script is funny and shows a connection to the old series while being fully accessible to new viewers. The Autons seemed like a bit of a throw-away villian so they could concentrate on the introductory material, but that's ok. They only appeared in Pertwee's era anyways. Good characterizations. Ok looking TARDIS (I would have liked something more like the '96 TV movie with the classic control panel, since it's supposed to do every damn thing under the sun), but nothing too much to complain about. Nice shots of the outside of the TARDIS and being able to see the control inside. Overall, I'm stoked about watching the rest of this series.
I am loving it so far! Got the feel, without seeming dated. Glad it is still a family show, would have pissed me off if they had tried to go "adult" on us.
list of fan boy winges: *SPOILERS*
The console looks cobbled together. It just shouldn't! this is superior technology. Patched up would be one thing, but not cobbled int he first place! Organic look does look good, but is sucj a cliche! I an gonna miss the cliffhangers that gave been sacrificed for an Americanised length.
I would be annoyed at Gallifrey being destroyed off camera, but I think it will be back by the end of the series
Quote: Steve T said: Got the feel, without seeming dated.
Totally agree. I think this is what makes it work so well.
Quote: list of fan boy winges: *SPOILERS*
The console looks cobbled together. It just shouldn't! this is superior technology. Patched up would be one thing, but not cobbled int he first place!
I disagree slightly. I mean, I would like to see more of the interior than just the console room. But, from the way it looks, it looks like the old console room, stripped down to its bare, alien essentials. I really don't mind it.
Quote: I an gonna miss the cliffhangers that gave been sacrificed for an Americanised length.
Well, as someone who never saw it with cliffhangers in place (they used to run it, all at once, on Saturdays from 4pm to 7pm), it doesn't bother me. Sure, I would like it to be longer. But, that doesn't bother me, really.
Quote: I would be annoyed at Gallifrey being destroyed off camera, but I think it will be back by the end of the series
Again, disagree. Don't know whether it will be back, but, I hope not. Destroying his home and people is a great move into a new era of the show, where he is completely alone in the universe. I love this new aspect, and I hope they explore it more...
Quote: I would be annoyed at Gallifrey being destroyed off camera, but I think it will be back by the end of the series
Again, disagree. Don't know whether it will be back, but, I hope not. Destroying his home and people is a great move into a new era of the show, where he is completely alone in the universe. I love this new aspect, and I hope they explore it more...
It just felt that they were cutting off a lot of possibilities just to give the character some resonance that could be equally achieved by playing up the angle of him being estranged from his hom.
however, this war seems to be a majo point that will be properly explored at a later date.
My one other quibble is the time rotor (this is SO minor and SO fanboy). It seems a little bit covered up. Would like it's movement in flight to be a bit more obvious.
Dude, I would love to see Benton again! But, honestly, no one will ever be The Brigadier to me, except for Nicholas Courtney. I would die to see him as, like, the 'man-behind-the-scenes' ala' X-Files' "Smoking Man" for UNIT. No matter who is on the field team, he should always be calling the shots from some shady room somewhere....
Damn that would be good. He's still alive so they should give the old geezer a part! He had one of the greatest Who lines ever "Chap with the wings, 5 rounds rapid"
Now that the BBC have finally officially admitted that Casanova star David Tennant will be the tenth actor to play the lead role of the Doctor, more information is getting out about some of the specifics of the deal made with the actor.
It has been widely reported that departing Doctor, Christopher Eccleston, took home 600,000 UK pounds (roughly $1.5 million) to play the lead in the series for one season. With many shows at the BBC under pressure to reduce their budgets for the next year, including Doctor Who, people connected with the series have been telling the press that from a budget standpoint they were secretly relieved that Eccleston decided to leave. New Doctor David Tennant is set to make only about $576,000 for the second series of Russell T. Davies' revived version of the series.
Meanwhile, Doctor Who continues to enjoy an effects budget larger than any other time in the series' history with every cent of it showing up on screen. From the space platform seen in the second episode, The End of the World, to the alien spaceship crashing into Big Ben in last Saturday's episode, Aliens of London, UK effects shop The Firm are making their presence felt in the new series.
According to the ratings and the international sales to every major market in the world except the United States, the money has been well spent. With Tennant the BBC also get an actor much more comfortable with playing the Time Lord. A confessed fan of the series, David Tennant has appeared in a number of Big Finish Doctor Who audio adventures in supporting roles and hosted the documentary, Doctor Who: A New Dimension, which ran before the premiere episode of the new series.
And....
Quote: How Many Secret Organizations Have Their Own Web Sites?
The new series of Doctor Who has definitely made it obvious that they are not only aware of the impact of the internet but are more than willing to exploit it as well. A search website seen in the first episode, Rose, was a site designed to be seen onscreen but can't actually be used. A character seen in the same episode is found by Rose because of a website he operates that tracks appearances of the Doctor through history.
This week, a website for the supposedly secret paramilitary organization, UNIT (United Nations Intelligence Taskforce) played a part in the episode, leading to the question of just how many secret organizations had public websites. Like the search site in the first episode, the UNIT website actually existed, even being linked to from the official BBC Doctor Who website. Chronicling the history of the organization, the "press release" section even has a little fun with the early download of an advance screener for the series. Dated March 10th, the release warns about a computer virus called "RUFFCUT" received by downloaded "pirate" material received through peer to peer services, masquerading as "something they [the user] would most want to download".
No mention on the site of previous UNIT characters like Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart but the site does state that it was formed in 1968, which corresponds with their first appearance in the Patrick Troughton story The Invasion, which was also the second appearance of Nicholas Courtney as the newly promoted Brigadier (Courtney first appeared the previous season's story, The Web of Fear). Another section of the site notes a memorial service for members lost in "Project Waxwork" exactly 35 years earlier, which corresponds with an approximate airdate for the final part of the inaugural Jon Pertwee story, The Spearhead From Space, which introduced the Autons, also featured in the first episode of the latest Who series.
On slight correction to that article, Ecclestone's wage converts to slightly under $1.2m at the current rate. The new guy, being less established, is earning about half.
Ok, so I've seen every episode so far and really love it. It's Doctor Who with a foreknowledge of how campy and cheesey some of the earlier stuff came off and better budgeting and acting. I also like the underlying plot that keeps developing through all the stories. Great stuff with how whisking a normal person off through space and time would kinda fuck with them and their friends and families back home. Can't wait for this weekend's Dalek ep.
Quote: Prometheus said: Joe, I shall now be instructing Grimm to smack you upside the head at the coming convention... Rose is hottness!
Pariah : Time Lords can regenerate twelve times, giving them 13 incarnations. After that, it's the end. This is his 10th incarnation...
Let me be the first to say that this Doctor is TEH HOTNESS!!! Shame she won't live long, what with the fact that she's hanging with a dude named Rose. That's almost as bad if she were hanging with a guy named "C.C."!!!
Someone buy Joe another round....and where's Nowhereman when you need him?
Chewy, the Brigadier lead a UN military group called U.N.I.T. They were the ones in charge of cleaning up after alien incursions and keeping secret The Doctor's existence from the public. Essentially, they are the men-in-black of the Whoverse...
Quote: Prometheus said: And, sorry, I don't know anything about Woo, so, I can't get the joke. But, I'll go ahead and accept that you're funny...
You've never seen The Killer?!? Which means...You've never seen Hard Boiled?!? Go now...go get those movies. Right NOW! Go see two phenomenal movies. Not just so you can understand my reference, but because you need to see why 99% of Anerican action flicks suck dead donkey balls.
Mission Impossible 2 proves my point. Woo's Hong Kong oeuvre (heh...nice word!) is VASTLY superior to his US stuff. Studios should leave him the fuck alone and let him make movies his way!
Twenty-years of whiskey and cheese will do that to you. Baker is infamous for being able to drink the collective population of Great Britian under the table...
Yeah, he's pretty much considered to be the "Uber-Doctor". I think I've still got an episode of Remington Steele taped from the 80's where he played a corrupt Interpol agent. He and Pierce Brosnan competed in chewing up the scenes...
The Doctor once built a mechanical dog, and called it "K9". In the end, he left it with one of the female companions he traveled with (Sarah-Jane Smith). That was 31 years ago. Next season, it seems he's getting it back...a bit worse for wear...
Doctor Who is a UK series about an alien time traveler and the normal humans who take fantastic trips into the unknown with him. The crux of the series is the time traveler is a complete mystery to his closest of companions. Known only as "The Doctor", he is a renegade (criminal?) of his own people, and, quite possibly, the last of his race.
For reasons that remain untold, he went on the run from his home planet centuries ago, stealing a faulty time machine in the process. The "TARDIS" (Time And Relative Dimension In Space) can travel anywhere and any time. In the pilot episode of the series (Novemeber 23, 1963) he landed in 1960's England, where its chameleon/cloaking mechanism left the ship looking like an old Police Box (a British phone booth for law enforcement before the advent of CB's). Subsequently, he has never been able to repair it.
Two things to be known about the TARDIS:
-It is bigger on the inside than the out. Folded dimensions, and the like.
-It is, in comparison to the technology of the Doctor's race, a relic. It was under repair for faulty systems when he stole and ran away. Thus, he has a hard time controlling where it takes him.
The Doctor (a breakdown)
-The Doctor's race are referred to as Time Lords. They are the only race known in the universe that have ever acheived time travel technology.
-The Doctor has an I.Q. of, like, 2017.
-The Doctor has two hearts.
-When near death, the Doctor's species has an ability called "regeneration". Essentially, his body breaks down to the molecular level, repairs itself, and slaps back together in under a few seconds. The only problem is, there is no blueprint for the physical appearance. Thus, everytime he regenerates, his physical appearance can change completely. Time Lord's can only do this twelve times, and then, it really is death.
The Doctor has regenerated nine times so far...
The current 2005 series, Season One, has just finished airing in the UK, starring Christopher Eccleston as the 9th Doctor. Bowing out in the finale, the 9th Doctor regenerated into his new incarnation...
David Tennant as the 10th Doctor
This page is for me to geek out for everyone.....and to answer any questions about the show.
Quote: Prometheus said: Only one actor (and one character) has appeared with every incarnation of The Doctor over the 40 years of the show.
That is actor Nicholas Courtney playing military Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart....the Doctor's 'best friend'...
sweet cheeks you should clarify he was NOT the same character with the first Doctor My one complaint aboout the last season was the ninth Doctor never met the Brigadier onscreen!
Quote: Franta said: sweet cheeks you should clarify he was NOT the same character with the first Doctor My one complaint aboout the last season was the ninth Doctor never met the Brigadier onscreen!
Great point, Father!
Yeah, well, we had to wait, what, seven years after Colin Baker left for him to appear with the Brig in that "Children In Need" charity special? So, maybe in about ten years we can see Eccleston visit the military retirement home to see the Brig...
And, far be it from me to contradict Mother Batty, but, I'll give Tennant the benefit of the doubt. I knew nothing about Eccleston, and he blew me away.
Now, I have seen a bunch of horror films and all sorts of TV and movies. I do have to say the last time a movie or tv show scared me was the original Nightmare on Elm st.
But The Empty Child episodes gave me the fucking willies.
Yeah, it was a side-effect of how long the show has run. By the time he took over, the show had been on for almost twenty years. He was the first actor to play the part that actually had the opportunity to watch the show while growing up. He's always said the Doctor he grew up watching was Troughton, and even decided to only do three years of the show because that's how long Troughton did it.
What's even more surreal, it's been twenty-two years since he finished his run, and the new Doctor (David Tennant) has cited that Davison is the Doctor he grew up watching.
Very true. Eccleston was a class act. Of course, it could be argued that he cannot be compared to Baker, simply because twenty-five years have passed since Tom, and, this new era requires a different type of "uber" Doctor. Eccleston fills that role perfectly. He's to The Doctor of the 21st century what Tom Baker was to the 20th.
Of course, we can look at his quick run in a positive way. Would he have had the ability to sustain the magic for, say, as long as Baker did (7 years)? If not, then, he did the smart thing and pulled a Seinfeld....going out at the top of his game...
I don't think you're gonna find anybody that's gonna go anywhere near 7 years again. And especially not at the quality of the Adams written Baker stuff.
but there's a mystique to Eccleston's version that carries you through his run. another year or two wouldn't have hurt. if nothing else, a movie or mini series about the "time war" would be nice.
rumor has it that Eccleston strayed upon these boards and was so freaked out by youse, he chose to give up playing the Doctor!
Eccleston was good but so much of his act was based on Tombo - it was sheer thievery of the most frivolent kind!
Just to correct my sexy fellow massageboarders, Tombo didn't maintain the magic for 7 years! He had three very strong first 3 seasons, half a good fourth! A diabolical fifth, one good story in another weak sixth and finally ending on a stronger seventh - though, not as strong as his first three!
Trust me, I was there!
...and don't forget, I love you all, no matter what your faults!
You're right no one else should because it was quite clear that the Tombo was bored out of his shizznits by the fifth season and only showed vigour and pep in the final season because he knew he was going or that he was poking Lala Ward(romana 2)
IT will be real nice to see Sarah Jane in the new season and apparently Captain homo will be back in the following season!
Quote: ROY BATTY said: rumor has it that Eccleston strayed upon these boards and was so freaked out by youse, he chose to give up playing the Doctor!
It's funny 'cause it's true...
Quote: Eccleston was good but so much of his act was based on Tombo - it was sheer thievery of the most frivolent kind!
Oh yeah. He was definitely drawing on Von Baker heavily. But, it's interesting to note that Tom has been gone so long now, that they can draw on him. Back in the day, it would have be heresy to draw on the uber Doctor. There is, and was, only one mad bastard Doctor. Eccleston paid severe homage to that golden era of Who.
Quote: Just to correct my sexy fellow massageboarders, Tombo didn't maintain the magic for 7 years! He had three very strong first 3 seasons, half a good fourth! A diabolical fifth, one good story in another weak sixth and finally ending on a stronger seventh - though, not as strong as his first three!
Trust me, I was there!
Me too, Mother! I worshipped at the altar of The Scarf from an early age. But, yeah, I definitely agree with your layout of his run. He started out fresh, wide-eyed, and full of uknown promise. Then, he got comfortable and confident, and started taking chances, broadening the character and his performance. Then, in the apex of his run, he and Douglas Adams created the ultimate enigma of incarnations (City of Death is the bomb, yo!). The prime of Doctor Who, in my opinion. And, as you say, it didn't hurt he was laying the ancient Time Lord penis (they have two, you know) to the lovely Romanaveradnelunda.Then, he got bored, and somber. And, that's when my enthusiasm in his run waned. Luckily wet-vet-extraordinaire Tristan stepped in just in time.
Still, as Jaburg says, I would LOVE to see Baker, Davison, C.Baker, McCoy, McGann, Eccleston, and Tennant all together in a two-hour mega special......searching for Peri's sentient panties and mangled accent....
Quote: ...and don't forget, I love you all, no matter what your faults!
Quote: Grimm said: I don't think you're gonna find anybody that's gonna go anywhere near 7 years again. And especially not at the quality of the Adams written Baker stuff.
but there's a mystique to Eccleston's version that carries you through his run. another year or two wouldn't have hurt. if nothing else, a movie or mini series about the "time war" would be nice.
It would have to be McGann though. If you rewatch ROSE again you will note Eccleston commenting that his nose "could have been worse" which alludes he arrives to battle the Autons soon after a regeneration.
The WHO books allude to a time war and have some alternate type of Time Lords with a kamphausen character named Sabbath who has slave monkeys from the Planet of the Apes.
The BBC has commissioned the Doctor Who scriptwriter Russell T Davies to make an adult post-watershed spin-off of its most famous sci-fi show.
The new programme will be called Torchwood (an anagram of Doctor Who) and will follow a crack team investigating alien activities and crime in modern-day Britain.
It will feature in its starring role John Barrowman, who played Captain Jack Harkness in Doctor Who and who will play the same character in Torchwood.
Like the latest version of Doctor Who, which the BBC successfully relaunched this year, Torchwood will be based in Cardiff. Davies, who has just begun writing Torchwood, said the new programme would be aimed at adult audiences and would "have its own, unique identity". He said: "Torchwood will be a dark, clever, wild, sexy, British crime/sci-fi paranoid thriller cop show with a sense of humour - the X Files meets This Life," the latter a reference to the groundbreaking Nineties BBC drama about a group of young lawyers in Bristol.
Torchwood will be shown next summer on BBC3 in 13 episodes, each lasting 45 minutes. Alert viewers of the forthcoming Doctor Who Christmas special will hear a reference to the Torchwood unit and further mentions will be made in the new series in the spring.
Stuart Murphy, the controller of BBC3, described Davies as an "absolute genius" and described Torchwood as "a massive coup".
He said: "We had never done sci fi before and it is a genre which people treat in a certain way. You look at what he has done with Dr Who and we said to Russell what would you do with a post-watershed sci fi?"
Mr Murphy said he hoped that Davies would bring to the new series a similar quirky humour that the writer deployed in the period drama Casanova, which was also shown on BBC3 before moving to BBC1.
"Each episode of Torchwood will be a one-off story and will be funny in a way that Casanova brought humour to period drama," he said.
Captain Jack has been described as Doctor Who's "first openly gay companion" and a "hunky bisexual".
Davies told Doctor Who magazine earlier this year: "It wasn't me sort of dying to get a bisexual character on screen. Yes, I'm a gay writer, but I was thinking: Jack's from the 51st century so of course he's going to go out with men and women. To get hung up on it is almost too sad for words, frankly."
Torchwood will allow Davies to explore relationships a little further. Mr Murphy said of the new series: "The people have affairs with one another. There will be sex and swearing, I assume. I'm quite relaxed about that, it will be post-watershed and Russell can do it in a funny and sexy way."
Describing the idea behind the new show, the BBC controller said: "It's a renegade bunch of investigators who investigate real-life, normal crimes. They also look into alien happenings. They have been charged by the British government to find alien technology that has fallen to Earth and they need to do it without the FBI and UN knowing."
Mr Murphy said the new series would have a distinctly Welsh feel, reflecting Davies's Swansea roots. "It's set in modern-day Cardiff. Unlike Doctor Who, which made Cardiff look like Dickensian London, this will look like Cardiff."
Davies said he was especially pleased to have secured the services of the "fantastic" Barrowman and said that Torchwood "gives us the chance to further develop exceptional talent from Doctor Who".
Barrowman, who as Captain Jack is part of the Doctor's Tardis crew, was born in Glasgow but grew up in Illinois. He first came to prominence as a children's television presenter on the show Live and Kicking, where he worked alongside Emma Forbes and Andy Peters.
BBC3 hopes to begin screening Torchwood at the end of the next series of Doctor Who adventures, in which the Doctor will be played by David Tennant.
Torchwood is the latest morphing of one of the BBC's most famous shows, which first reached the screens in 1963, although the programme will be distinct from Doctor Who and no stories will directly cross over between the two projects.
The new series of Doctor Who will appear on Region 1 DVD on February 14 2006. This is obviously a Canadian release, rather than an American one, but is enormously good news.
It will be a five disc box set, with the same extras as the UK (but with no audio description tracks or subtitles for the commentaries). And, we are told, it will be "available in fine stores nationwide".
Over here lager is more often as not called beer anyway,although not usually the weaker stuff!
Its only when you move out of the lager realm that you start using proper terminology such as stout or ale (although Guiness is always said by name,never as stout).
Rumours circulating at the moment are that Billie Piper will finish up with Dr.Who after her second series as she does not want to be type cast. The BBC are neither confirming or denying it!
Series One DVDs in US DVD / Video November 30, 2005
In a reversal from an earlier announcement that the Region 1 DVDs of series one of the new Doctor Who series would be available only in Canada, BBC Video announced today to the news service of the Sci-Fi Channel, Sci-Fi Wire, that on February 14, 2006, the series would also be made available in the US on DVD. This is in direct contrast to earlier reports that the series would only be available on DVD after a broadcaster had transmitted the series in America. Outpost Gallifrey has learned that, with the failure of the BBC to find a broadcaster in the US, this prior requirement was bypassed and the decision was made to release the series on DVD after all.
The North American release, in both Canada and the US, will be the exact same items as were on the UK discs, as BBC Video no longer allows the US/Canada releases to differ from their UK counterparts. As stated in the Sci-Fi Wire article, the DVD set will carry a suggested retail price of $99.98. Also reported today at the official Doctor Who website as well as TV Shows on DVD.
You know why he's smiling like that? Cause he read your last post. His teeth...your head....CHOMP! I mean, his eyes alone would suck the light right out of the room, and then BAM!, he sucker punches you in the dark.
You're a tough guy, Joseph Mother. But, The Baker would own you. Believe that!
You know why he's smiling like that? Cause he read your last post. His teeth...your head....CHOMP! I mean, his eyes alone would suck the light right out of the room, and then BAM!, he sucker punches you in the dark.
You're a tough guy, Joseph Mother. But, The Baker would own you. Believe that!
A trail of Boilermakers (Guinness and a shot of Irish Whiskey), each with a Jelly Baby in it leads him to my nefarious trap - a HILL of Jelly Babies. His addiction is his downfall - as he gorges himself on the sweet, sweet candy I eat the TARDIS like it was a car. Then while he's buzzing on his sugar rush, but slow from the amount he ate, I bludgeon him with my 33", 30oz Eason Aluminum Bat. Then I tap sweet Leela's arse for good measure.
Actually, you're probably right...no one beats the Baker.
Have I ever mentioned I actually saw Baker once? He is a huge man.......he looked about 15ft tall!
Also,you guys may not get the humour,but Baker does the narration on comedy show Little Britain,and for me,he is actually the funniest thing on the show (and thats huge props as the whole show is hilarious).
To me, Tom Baker IS Dr. Who. He was the only one I ever watched on PBS and I lost interest after his run was over. I liked his segment in Vault Of Horror, too.
The first Who I was exposed to would be Pertwee,but I dont really remember much about him (I remember more about him as Wurzel Gummidge),but he was good from what I do remember. Baker (of the Tom variety) was the one I really grew up on though,so to me,he is THE Doctor!
I will give props to Troughton & Baker (of the Colin variety) though,as they were quite good from what I saw of them!
Hartnel never appealed to me as he just looked like an old man! McCoy was someone I could not even watch as the Doctor,even though I liked him as one of the O-Men! Davidson was a terrible choice! As for the last three,I have no idea what they are like!
I'd like to play the part as Doctor Who one day,just for a laugh!
I liked Harnell's Doctor. Troughton was great from what I have seen of him as well. I skipped Pertwee and went straight to the Tom Baker episodes. Plus I started watching all this because of Eccleston's run.
As a whole Doctor Who is a great program more often then not I've been very entertained.
I've only met Pertwee, and that was by accident. He was flying out of Atlanta after a con, and while with family, I ran into him at the airport. He was genuinely surprised that an American twelve-year-old would recognize him. Found out we share the same middle name. Got a photo with him. It was the fanboy geek-out of my lifetime.
Tom was the Doctor they sold Americans with. His run pretty much defines a generation of viewers over here. Some aren't even aware there are others before and after him.
Hartnell, I love. He's this anti-social, arrogant, pissed-off old rebel. A different era, and he could have been an ex-hippy.
Troughton and Pertwee are to be respected, and I like them for their portrayal of the character. But, they aren't my favorites.
Tom (of the Baker persuasion) is, by far, the uber Doctor. He's pretty dominant, and it doesn't hurt that he did the part longer than anyone else.
Peter was cool, and props to him for having the balls to take over for Baker.
Colin was, much like Hartnell, an asshole. I loved it. Hated the outfit.
Syl was....okay. I think his stories suffered more than his portrayal of the character.
McGann was the only thing good about the TV movie, and a damn cool Doctor.
Eccleston was just fucking brilliant, and the first actor to come along that gives Tom a run for his money.
Don't know what the new guy's going to be like. But, as long as Billie Piper is still in it. Damn...hotness.
Just watching the Christmas special,and over half an hour in,the new Doctor has spent most of the show asleep! I shit you not! I missed the transformation as I forgot it was on..........bollocks........the only bit I wanted to see!
Aliens are going to take over the world,and the Doctor is asleep!
I didnt watch the last series,so I have no idea what it was really like,but what I can tell you about Tennant is that he should be quite popular! He plays it as a Londoner,complete with common man accent,and seems to be part comedian,part warrior (he partakes in a sword fight a la Highlander). His humour seems somewhat sarcastic,which is good,and I can see definite inspiration from previous Doctors (the two Bakers & Troughton spring to mind).
By the by, I downloaded the Children in Need special they did with the intro of the new Doctor off of LimeWire. Unfortunetly, I can't get the damn thing to play.
Quote: Nowhereman said: I didnt watch the last series,so I have no idea what it was really like,but what I can tell you about Tennant is that he should be quite popular! He plays it as a Londoner,complete with common man accent,and seems to be part comedian,part warrior (he partakes in a sword fight a la Highlander). His humour seems somewhat sarcastic,which is good,and I can see definite inspiration from previous Doctors (the two Bakers & Troughton spring to mind).
I think you girls will like it!
Definietly a bit of Troughton/Tom Baker/McCoy zaniness. Some Hartnell/Colin Baker bluntness and temper. And a dash of Pertwee swashbuckling. I think there might also be a touch of Colin's ego. Overall, it was a pretty damn good episode; and it's setting up for the Torchwood spinoff. I can't wait to see more.
When I first saw Tennant,I thought he looked like a skinny goon,but I actually really liked the episode! I must admit that I didnt watch the last series as I have never particulary liked Eccleston! Tennant was given more of a chance as I had no idea who he was!
Funny thing though,I assumed from the christmas episode that he was a Londoner by his accent,yet a few days later I saw him on a quiz show & he had a Scottish accent! Wonder why he felt the need to change his accent for the Doctor?
Eccleston's Doctor was unlike what you usually see him as. He's not the heavy that I've seen him in stuff like 28 Days Later. Really funny, a lot of Tom in there as well.
Loved the killer Santas and Christmas tree....also so the ads for the show showing them and didnt think the things were going to actually be in the program!
SCI FI Channel and BBC Worldwide Americas announced today a major licensing deal for the first series of the latest Doctor Who adventures.
The 13-part drama is about a mysterious time-travelling adventurer known simply as "The Doctor" (Christopher Eccleston) and his companion, Rose Tyler (Billie Piper). The Doctor and Rose risk death and danger, battling aliens and monsters.
The deal, brokered by Lisa Hofer, Director Co-Production & Sales, BBC Worldwide Americas, grants SCI FI Channel the first run rights for series one with an option for series two. The award-winning series will premiere on SCI FI beginning in March, airing Friday nights at 9.00pm.
Sci Fi could have had this series back when it first premiered, but turned it down. Stupid fuckers. I guess it being a huge hit in ever damned market it played in might have made them reconsider.
Quote: thedoctor said: By the by, I downloaded the Children in Need special they did with the intro of the new Doctor off of LimeWire. Unfortunetly, I can't get the damn thing to play.
LOL! Yeah, Tegan's a bitch, and Jo is, well, dumb. I'm more of a Liz Shaw man, myself. The first "smart companion", not counting that Susan was his grandaughter, and given the chance, is probably just as cunning as The Doc himself.
And, enjoy the original Master (not counting 'The Monk' character from Hartnell's days...which many fans believe is an earlier regeneration of The Master). Roger Delgado was a class act, and simply made that character. Anthoney Ainely, his successor, is a buffoon compared to him. No other actor has captured the original, crafty, "serious" nature of Delgado's Master, since. And we won't even talk about Eric fucking Roberts...
Helluva lotta fun, isn't it? Just wait. The first two episodes are nothing compared to the rest of the season. It gets better with every episode. Just don't read through this thread if you don't want any spoilers...
I was referring to Cross' lack of taste when it comes to not being able to stomach the older Who (Baker included...just ask him).
I DARE you to find me ever doubting the superiority of The Baker! He is the quintessential Doctor, and everyone knows that. However, it's been over twenty-five years since he was The Doctor, and Eccleston is the first actor to come along that's able to give his title a run for its money.
Quote: Prometheus said: I was referring to Cross' lack of taste when it comes to not being able to stomach the older Who (Baker included...just ask him).
this is true, Baker's shows are the only ones I cann stomach, well some of them any way
I'm hoping CBC airs each new episode two weeks after BBC does, as they did last year. That's why I'm wondering if anyone knows if the BBC has scheduled the new season yet.
"End of the World" "Father's Day" "The Empty Child" "The Doctor Dances" "Bad Wolf" "Parting of the Ways"
Those are my favorite episodes for season one. Not to say I didn't like the rest, of course. However, if I have to pick my favs, those are it. "The Long Game" was, to me, the weakest of the entire season. Davies wrote it over ten years ago with Paul McGann's Doc in mind, and, you can tell. It's a bit dated...
Quote: Prometheus said: I was referring to Cross' lack of taste when it comes to not being able to stomach the older Who (Baker included...just ask him).
I DARE you to find me ever doubting the superiority of The Baker! He is the quintessential Doctor, and everyone knows that. However, it's been over twenty-five years since he was The Doctor, and Eccleston is the first actor to come along that's able to give his title a run for its money.
You just hate him because he's Welsh...
Let's just clarify something here. Are you talking about Tom or Colin Baker?
Quote: Prometheus said: I was referring to Cross' lack of taste when it comes to not being able to stomach the older Who (Baker included...just ask him).
I DARE you to find me ever doubting the superiority of The Baker! He is the quintessential Doctor, and everyone knows that. However, it's been over twenty-five years since he was The Doctor, and Eccleston is the first actor to come along that's able to give his title a run for its money.
You just hate him because he's Welsh...
Let's just clarify something here. Are you talking about Tom or Colin Baker?
Colin was, in my opinion, a wonderfully perfect Doctor.....trapped in the crappiest outfit known to mankind.
He was the first, and only actor, to portray The Doctor like William Hartnell had. Tetchy, irritable, and a right pisser. And, of course, he's the only example of what happens when the regeneration goes "wrong". Mad as a hatter, and twice as egotistical. I loved him, and it's a fucking shame the BBC shafted him the way they did.
But, Tom? Tom was, and still is, the ultimate Doctor. Chris got close...and if he stayed with it for seven years, he may have taken the throne...
I can no longer pick a favorite. The ones I have seen (Hartnell, Troughtan, Pertwee(some), Tom Baker, Davison, Eccleston, and new guy) have all had thier greatness they are just diffrent
In the original Alan Davis run of the comic Excalibur, there was a British military strikeforce group designated "Weird Happenings Organization", or, "W.H.O." And, leading WHO, was a dark haired female whose daddy was once a Brigadier in a "similiar group". Her name? Brigadier Allison Gloria Lethbridge-Stewart....
Quote: Prometheus said: What did you think about The Unquiet Dead, rex?
I'm not Rex but had some thoughts about the Unquit Dead. It was good but so far my least favorite. (I've watched a little past the Dalek episode) It was one of those cases where the Doctor got involved & actually made things worse. He's able to fix things in the end but again it was his mess.
Quote: Prometheus said: What did you think about The Unquiet Dead, rex?
I was busy with something else when the show was on so I only caught pieces of it, but I recorded it and I'll watch it again. I thought the part where the Doctor was tell Dickens he was a fan was hilarious.
Quote: Prometheus said: What did you think about The Unquiet Dead, rex?
I'm not Rex but had some thoughts about the Unquit Dead. It was good but so far my least favorite. (I've watched a little past the Dalek episode) It was one of those cases where the Doctor got involved & actually made things worse. He's able to fix things in the end but again it was his mess.
See, that's one of the things I enjoyed about it, really. I don't think The Doctor should always be "the hero" or, even, right. I like it when he screws up. Cause, when he does, it's always on a very large scale. This gives him more of a fallibility that I appreciate in certain incarnations.
Otherwise, if he's always right, and always wins, the character is simply reduced to another two-dimensional caricature of the guy William Hartnell created. Just my opinion, you understand...
i started to watch it, and got the same episode i watched last week. while it was pretty good last week, havni the same ep come on, i changed the channel.
the one with the last human, i don't know the name of the ep
Yeah, "End of the World". The new one was after that, "The Unquiet Dead". Don't worry. I'm sure it will be on again, as they seem to be playing and re-playing these episodes alot...
Quote: Prometheus said:... See, that's one of the things I enjoyed about it, really. I don't think The Doctor should always be "the hero" or, even, right. I like it when he screws up. Cause, when he does, it's always on a very large scale. This gives him more of a fallibility that I appreciate in certain incarnations.
Otherwise, if he's always right, and always wins, the character is simply reduced to another two-dimensional caricature of the guy William Hartnell created. Just my opinion, you understand...
I actually agree with that opinion. In the Dalek episode the imperfect Dr. worked for me but for the "undead" one it didn't as much. I still liked the episode, while the Dr. F-ed up, he did fix it & was even willing to die to make it better. I tend to like the future stories more than the present & past based ones anyway. (really liked the first two parter though!)
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: I actually agree with that opinion. In the Dalek episode the imperfect Dr. worked for me but for the "undead" one it didn't as much. I still liked the episode, while the Dr. F-ed up, he did fix it & was even willing to die to make it better. I tend to like the future stories more than the present & past based ones anyway. (really liked the first two parter though!)
{Rex don't read: SPOILERS} . . . . . . . . . . . -Yeah, DALEK was incredible! It was the first time we were able to peek into a vulnerable, personal pain of The Doctor's. I think this is the first, and only "personal" episode we've ever gotten with the character....in the entire series. At no point I can think of in the past has he ever been as personally consumed with his own pain or agenda. It was excellent.
As for your points on The Unquiet Dead, I understand what you mean about The Doctor's actions being a bit too....dense...for him. I like to chalk it up to him being blinded by his own guilt and torture over the Time War. That was genius of Russel Davies to add that bit of backgrouond motivation/torture to the character. It really produced a completely different incarnation: the danger-junkie runing headlong into death, plagued by his own enternal guilt. Fabulous!
I liked the next WWIII two-part. However, there are bits of camp here and there I can do without. The farting didn't neccessarily bother me. But, the constant use of it was overdoing it a bit. Just my opinion, mind you. LOVED seeing UNIT again. Wish Nick Courtney could make a cameo as Brig. It's just not UNIT without him...
Speaking of Pertwee, my sister's boss (this was years ago, in the 80s in fact) met him and a few folks went out to dinner. I forgot where my sister was working at the time, but she met John Clease back then too. Will have to see if I can find that picture of her boss and Pertwee at dinner, scan and upload it. It was pretty cool, they were holding what looked like sparklers and spelled out the word Who with them.
Now if I could only remember where I stashed that picture during the move...
Yeah, I met Pertwee when I was twelve. Outside an Atlanta airport of all things. I think he was surprised that this young American kid knew who he was, much less was gushing all over him...heh...
He gave me an autograph in a Doctor Who book I had with me (fate!), and, I found out we share the same middle name: Devin.
I was just looking something else up and ran across this. Thought you guys might like to see this.
from the Tribune...
Date: March 16, 2006 A Doctor, an oil crisis and seven hours of 'Prison Break'
This weekend's best bets:
“Doctor Who,” 8 p.m. Friday, Sci Fi Channel: Despite a few missteps, there’s much to recommend this fast-paced edition of “Doctor Who,” the first brand-new TV season of Britain’s long-running “Who” franchise in many years. As the Doctor, a space traveler who pops all over the universe having adventures and fighting bad guys, Christopher Eccleston has a cheeky, spiky charm and more than a dash of sex appeal. As the Doctor’s companion, Rose Tyler, English pop-star-turned-actress Billie Piper brings a winning combination of dogged sincerity and working-class irreverence to her role. Having said that, it’s a good thing that Sci Fi is running two episodes of this updated “Doctor Who” on Friday: The first episode starts out with promising chills, but the resolution of the paper-thin plot is far too predictable. And though the story in the second episode isn’t terribly complex, the dialogue and pop-culture satire throughout is entertaining (who would have thought Britney Spears’ “Toxic” would ever appear on a “Doctor Who” soundtrack?). All in all, new head “Who” writer Russell T. Davies has done the Doctor a service by making him a multi-layered, sometimes sarcastic, sometimes troubled hero who’s comfortable in modern-day, multicultural London -- and in the rest of the galaxy too, where evil never sleeps.
Yeah! The 6th Doc rocks! He's the ultimate expression of a "failed" regeneration. Violent mood swings and arrogance truly define his incarnation. Plus, Boobs Brown is with him all the time. Can't beat that.
My Beginning boxset should be coming in this week, as well. I believe they remastered the entire thing. Can't wait to check it out. I'm of the minority that enjoys "Edge of Destruction"...
Pro, I've got an MP3 of a live performance of that. Orbital preceeds it with an audio clip from, what I recall, as the opening bit of Tomb of the Cybermen with Troughton, Jamie, and Victoria in the TARDIS.
Quote: Prometheus said: I'm of the minority that enjoys "Edge of Destruction"...
I, too, like " Edge Of Destruction ". Yes, it was a budget episode..but I'm quite partial to psychological thrillers.
I like the first Doctor..the "Cranky old man", as he is often called..He was perfect for both being the Dr... and being the very FIRST Dr. I have ten of his episodes. They are :
An Unearthly Chid
The Daleks
Edge Of Destruction
The Keys of Marinus
The Dalek Invasion Of Earth
Planet Of Giants
The Ark
The War Machines
The Space Museum
The Romans
Keys Of Marinus is excellent! I like that it jumps from setting to setting.
The Space Musuem...the TARDIS crew are ahead in their own future. Can they prevent themselves from becoming permanent residents of The Space Museum?
Planet Of Giants...it was Land Of The Giants years before that show debuted.
The Daleks is my fav!! Love the other Dalek episoes, as well...They are to The Dr. what the Borg are to Star Trek.
It was a tiny 1 by 2 inch black and white photo in a Dr Who fanzine. You send them $25.00 and they'd send you a 9 x 13 black and white copy. I had a free frame a friend had given me which is 20 x 24, and as you can see I painted it in color. I normally do NOT copy other people's art, but felt I could improve upon this poster by adding color and a bit more size to it.
This is a painting I did many years ago. I used model car paint, magic marker, pen, and crayons. It's hanging on my living room wall.
The website now has a place for Tardisodes (could they have thought up a worse name. I mean, they're just baiting people to make fun of that) that are little "prequels" to the episodes themselves.
I don't want to be interviewed. Call me old fashioned, but when somebody says they're going to interview someone, I expect them to do it. Kids today, they have no sense of responsibility.
Quote: Beardguy57 said: And Pro? You have many talents, too.... You are a very creative person, yourself.
Pro? creative? well, sure I mean if you call naming your bowel movements and singing "Oh, Canada" really loudly while covering yourself in strawberry juice "creative" then yeah, he's "creative."
Quote: Prometheus said: Dear god, those are awful....who made those, and why?
I agree, those 4 and 6 minute Dr Who skits were really bad..it looked like little kids did it...which they did. I bet any one of us here could do something much better than that.
Anyone know of any amateur Dr Who videos that are good? I'd love to see them....so would others, I would assume?
I'm watching Dr Who on the telly right now. It's pretty good. " WORLD WAR III." Next Friday : The Daleks!
My Dr Who memories :
It was sometime in 1979 that I saw my very first Dr Who episode. It was The Sontaran Experiment. I only saw part one. They played it twice that week. I ..have to say that I was indifferent... and did not watch it again...until...
4 years later : It's 1983, sometime in the fall., around Nov - Dec...I was living with George, my partner at the time. I was home from shopping downtown. It was early afternoon on a rainy, cold Saturday.
"Hello, how was town?" He asked me.
" It was okay. ", I answered unenthusiastically.
I was in a bad mood. He saw it.
" Why don't we watch tv together?"
He turned on PBS. Dr Who was on.
" This is Dr Who. Have you ever seen it?"
"Yeah," I said..." But I wasn't impressed."
" Well, try watching it again, ok?"
So I did. The episode was " The Time Monster", a third Doctor episode with Jon Pertwee, God bless him. I liked it. I liked it a lot!
I watched Dr Who regularly after that. I wished I had been taping them. After a time, I did start taping them. It took about 3 years to get all but one of the Tom Baker, nearly all the Pertwee, and a bunch of Hartnell and Troughton eps.
I got into Tom Baker's Doctor BIGTIME. I did that painting of him in late 1988. He is my favorite Doctor now. Pertwee is a close second, with Hartnell in third place.
I have an 8" talking Fourth Doctor figure. He says six cool phrases, with Tom Baker's voice. He comes with a talking K-9, who says 2 phrases. I have all of Tom Baker's episodes now, having gotten "Shada" at a store.
Maybe sometime, I'll write a fan fic about the Doctor.
I have the 12" TARDIS that my Dr. figure came in, and an 8" plastic TARDIS replica, as well. I have two old Dr Who books, one is an episode guide, the other, a list of Dr Who characters and terminology from A - Z. I have some Dr Who drawings I've done. When I find them, I'll post them here. I recall I did a rather elaborate sketch of the Doctor and Leela in the TARDIS having a conversation about dinosaurs, as they'd just materialized in the cretaceous era.
God, I wish I was a timelord! Would love to travel to so many times and places. Who wouldn't ?
Season 2, Episode 1: New Earth 15 April 2006 As Rose Tyler embarks upon her first big TARDIS adventure with the newly-regenerated Doctor, they discover a sinister farm run by strange cat people and their old nemesis Lady Cassandra.
Season 2, Episode 1: New Earth 15 April 2006 As Rose Tyler embarks upon her first big TARDIS adventure with the newly-regenerated Doctor, they discover a sinister farm run by strange cat people and their old nemesis Lady Cassandra.
I like the new Doctor. I will watch the *new* season next Friday!
Jerry, unfortunately, I have bad news. Unless you are in Canada, Australia, France, Spain, or the UK....you won't be seeing this in prime time. SCI-FI is still showing the "first" season with Eccleston. Americans probably won't get to see this until, say, next year. If that.
Now, as far as downloading it from certain sites....
Jerry, unfortunately, I have bad news. Unless you are in Canada, Australia, France, Spain, or the UK....you won't be seeing this in prime time. SCI-FI is still showing the "first" season with Eccleston. Americans probably won't get to see this until, say, next year. If that.
Now, as far as downloading it from certain sites....
Thanks, Pro. Now I know NOT to sit in front of the tv next Friday and wait for the new season on Dr Who.
Ok. Finished up the "The Beginning" DVD's this weekend. Some good stuff. Crazy dark moments in "Edge". I like the extra documentaries and such as well. Very well done stuff that chronicles the start of Doctor Who. The guys making the DVD's are putting a lot of effort into them to get extra material for the fans. The interviews and old footage stuff as well as the abridged Marco Polo story with the old audio track and production stills is nice. The sketches on the first disc are a nice add on too. "The Pitch of Fear" and the "Web of Caves" were pretty funny. The "Corridor Sketch" sucked balls (though the Nicolas Courtney cameo at the end was a nice touch). The hands down funniest was "The Kidnapping". Kudos to Peter Davidson for taking part in it. Brilliant.
Doctor Who has been a hit TV show for more than 40 years. Unfortunately more than 100 of the early black and white episodes no longer exist in the BBC's film and videotape library.
However, episodes that the BBC thought had been lost forever have turned up in car boot sales, in peoples' attics and in other weird locations. So the wonderful people at Blue Peter have launched a campaign to try and track down these lost episodes.
The prize for anybody who finds a missing episode is a full-size replica Dalek... so it's definitely worth asking your family to check their lofts, garages, and spare bedrooms for any old film cannisters that might have the magic words 'Doctor Who' on the label.
Click on the link below to visit the Blue Peter website for full details of all of the episodes that are currently missing. There's also the details of how you can get in touch with the BBC if you do find one of these lost reels of film.
Quote: Balloon Knot said: didn't have any problems with it on my end
Try it at 38 minutes 16 seconds ...
dude I have burned that thing to a dvd and watched it. There is no problems with that file on my server. Maybe your transfer got corrupted. Or yuo shit is fucked up. That file is fine.
Okay, so...The Christmas Invasion....new Doctor, cheesy script. Not bad.
New Earth. Great special effects, good Doctor. Even better.
And now, Tooth & Claw.
FANTASTIC!!
GREAT Doctor! GREAT script! Fucking AWESOME cinematography!!
For the first time in a LOOOOONG time (even through the Eccleston stuff) I actually got "tense" during the story. It's fast, dark, and brutal. It's the one with the werewolf, so, obviously it's going to be dark. But, there are some very nice twists on the werewolf mythology, and, that made it for me. So, this really saved the concept in my opinion. And, the reports were correct. The CGI for the werewolf is flawless. I mean, movie-style. Damn good.
No..She is a ROBO Girl. There is a difference..Robo girls have a helmet put on them to turn them into human robotic beings..hence, the eerie look in her eyes. Otherwise, without the Robo helmet, she is a perfectly normal..and human woman.
The helmet could be hidden under her hair.
Fembots are totally robotic beings, programmed to look and behave in a manner similar to humans.
I'm attempting to download Seasons 1 & 2 presently. Having never really seen any Dr. Who before, I'm really not sure what to expect, but I'm going in with an open mind, so... we'll see.
Chewy, I think the new series will give you a perfect indication of what Doctor Who is all about. Season One, with the 9th Doctor, is incredibly stand-out among the series. If nothing else, their special effect budget for, say, one episode is larger than an entire season of the original series...
Seriously, though, I think you'll dig the concept. Also, just as a side-note, the character of "Prometheus" was always somewhat inspired by The Doctor. I think that will be self-evident once you've seen a few episodes...
Funnily enough, I was talking to an old school friend of mine today and she (yes she) is a major Who fan! She loves her sci fi stuff so its no real surprise, but we did have a good discussion about Who!
She fully agrees about "The Baker" being the best Doctor and liked the new Tennant episode, and maybe just maybe she has persuaded me to give the Ecclestone series a try despite the fact I have never really liked him. At least the box set is affordable & the individual DVDs prolly work out cheaper, so it wouldnt be too much of a loss if I dont like it!
Man, give Eccleston a shot with an open mind. Watch the season as a whole, then decide whether you like him or not. He's pretty damn cool as The Doctor. He's the darkest one, if nothing else.
See, I'm still unsure whether I like Tennant all that much. He's cool and all. But, I just can't get a feel for his goofy "happiness". But, shit, I've only seen three episodes. So, he's still got plenty of room to grow on me. Not to mention, I hate Russel Davies scripts. So, seeing him written by someone else might change my mind...
See I liked the fact that Tennant has this kinda happy wackyness, but at the same time is a bit of a vicious bastard who also plays great mind games. The way he killed that alien dude in the christmas episode was quite vicious & the trick he played on the prime minister showed what a great manipulator he is!
I think he is very much a guy who you might think twice about crossing, and you'd never fully trust him! Of course I havent had a chance to see the new episodes so I dont know if they have expanded on this more!
Oh, and I did watch a bit of an Eccleston episode a month or two ago, but I couldnt really judge it as I only tuned in half way through, and it was mostly about Rose (she was having sex with a Dalek).
Okay, so you know how I said 'Tooth & Claw' was good? And how I was praising it for feeling like old Who?
Well, it's a damn good episode. No doubt. But, I just watched 'School Reunion'.
I'm certain there was a plot in there. But, I simply ignored it. I ignored Rose, and Mickey as well. Because this was the one where we get to meet up with two old friends: Sarah-Jane Smith and K-9.
It was incredible. I mean moving. Will new fans that never experienced the old stuff get as much of a charge off of it? Maybe. Maybe not. But, this was the tribute. This is what I've been waiting for. This was the bow to the old series.
It wasn't just "Oh hey, old companion appears." It was all ABOUT tying up old loose ends. About old friends meeting again. And, it gave the most popular companion of the old series...the one that stayed longer than any other single companion (5 years)...her proper due. Her proper story. Her justified final hurrah.
I have to say, just because she and Tom were the duo that originally got me into the show when I was six, it was like coming home. I haven't felt as happy, or as thrilled, or as emotionally moved with this new series as I was with this episode.
This episode gave me what I've been missing. This is the one that made me a kid again.
My GOD it fucking rocks. Anthoney Stewart-Head (Giles from BUFFY) plays his role so superbly. I'll go ahead and spoil it by saying, he's not The Master. But, just watching him the entire time.....he DAMN well should be. Russel Davies will be commiting the most heinous crime if he doesn't rethink this aspect. Head's character would be the perfect Master. Period. The end. No debate.
It's right. It's good. It's satisfying from beginning to end. I simply cannot say enough good things about it. In the end, this is for us old schoolers. As it should be...
Quote: Grimm said: Eccleston's really good. I don't think I'm going to care for Tennant as much. his version just seems too "Davison" so far.
Actually, I thought so as well with The Christmas Invasion. But, I have to say, he gets better. Especially once RTD stops writing the scripts. I think you'll dig it...
Can't wait to see the return of Sarah! Prom pretty much summed up my feelings. I liked how she left in the original series getting dropped off in the wrong part of town. Even though she had been around for a long time, I still missed her. Leela & Romana were very cool but they weren't cute.
Quote: Prometheus said: Okay, so you know how I said 'Tooth & Claw' was good? And how I was praising it for feeling like old Who?
Well, it's a damn good episode. No doubt. But, I just watched 'School Reunion'.
I'm certain there was a plot in there. But, I simply ignored it. I ignored Rose, and Mickey as well. Because this was the one where we get to meet up with two old friends: Sarah-Jane Smith and K-9.
It was incredible. I mean moving. Will new fans that never experienced the old stuff get as much of a charge off of it? Maybe. Maybe not. But, this was the tribute. This is what I've been waiting for. This was the bow to the old series.
It wasn't just "Oh hey, old companion appears." It was all ABOUT tying up old loose ends. About old friends meeting again. And, it gave the most popular companion of the old series...the one that stayed longer than any other single companion (5 years)...her proper due. Her proper story. Her justified final hurrah.
I have to say, just because she and Tom were the duo that originally got me into the show when I was six, it was like coming home. I haven't felt as happy, or as thrilled, or as emotionally moved with this new series as I was with this episode.
This episode gave me what I've been missing. This is the one that made me a kid again.
My GOD it fucking rocks. Anthoney Stewart-Head (Giles from BUFFY) plays his role so superbly. I'll go ahead and spoil it by saying, he's not The Master. But, just watching him the entire time.....he DAMN well should be. Russel Davies will be commiting the most heinous crime if he doesn't rethink this aspect. Head's character would be the perfect Master. Period. The end. No debate.
It's right. It's good. It's satisfying from beginning to end. I simply cannot say enough good things about it. In the end, this is for us old schoolers. As it should be...
I pointed out to Roy he could BE the Master. I mean Master - "Head"master.
Quote: Prometheus said: Okay, so you know how I said 'Tooth & Claw' was good? And how I was praising it for feeling like old Who?
Well, it's a damn good episode. No doubt. But, I just watched 'School Reunion'.
I'm certain there was a plot in there. But, I simply ignored it. I ignored Rose, and Mickey as well. Because this was the one where we get to meet up with two old friends: Sarah-Jane Smith and K-9.
It was incredible. I mean moving. Will new fans that never experienced the old stuff get as much of a charge off of it? Maybe. Maybe not. But, this was the tribute. This is what I've been waiting for. This was the bow to the old series.
It wasn't just "Oh hey, old companion appears." It was all ABOUT tying up old loose ends. About old friends meeting again. And, it gave the most popular companion of the old series...the one that stayed longer than any other single companion (5 years)...her proper due. Her proper story. Her justified final hurrah.
I have to say, just because she and Tom were the duo that originally got me into the show when I was six, it was like coming home. I haven't felt as happy, or as thrilled, or as emotionally moved with this new series as I was with this episode.
This episode gave me what I've been missing. This is the one that made me a kid again.
My GOD it fucking rocks. Anthoney Stewart-Head (Giles from BUFFY) plays his role so superbly. I'll go ahead and spoil it by saying, he's not The Master. But, just watching him the entire time.....he DAMN well should be. Russel Davies will be commiting the most heinous crime if he doesn't rethink this aspect. Head's character would be the perfect Master. Period. The end. No debate.
It's right. It's good. It's satisfying from beginning to end. I simply cannot say enough good things about it. In the end, this is for us old schoolers. As it should be...
I pointed out to Roy he could BE the Master. I mean Master - "Head"master.
Well, the last one to wear them was Colin Baker, so, who knows with that crazy bitch?
Jaburg : You know Roy Batty?? Anyway, yeah, their whole conversation at the pool was v-e-r-y Doctor/Master-like in content. He needs to be The Master. He was just too damn cool, and simply dominated the screen.
BTW, did you notice the very Baker-ish, alien stare Tennant gave Sarah right after she first sees the TARDIS? Man, he was just pure Tom Baker in that moment. I'm certain it was intended that way, as well.
I finally saw season one, and I was pleasantly surprised. I saw the first episode a while ago and was kind of underwhelmed. I admit, I didn't give it a fair chance then. My favorite episodes were probably The End of the World and The Empty Child. I actually didn't think the Russel Davis eps were all that bad. It was the soap opera-y stuff that irritated me, as it really seemed to interrupt the flow of the series at times. I didn't care for the Father's Day one at all.
My first impression of Christopher Eccleston was that he was a bit goofy. He definitely seemed to be trying to imitate Tom Baker; not that that's necessarily a bad thing. However, he really grew on me as the season progressed. He was actually pretty intense at times, which I suppose you could say makes him a good "modern" Doctor Who(this being an era of gritty cop shows and such). I was sad to see him go.
The character I was never terribly interested in was Rose. Not to sound like Pariah, but I didn't think she was overly attractive, either(cute, but a little...odd looking, facially). I just never bought her as a companion. At least, not one that the doctor would go out of his way to drag along. That's an issue I've had with many of the show's previous incarnations, however. I understand that to create conflict in the stories, the Doctor needs someone to get into trouble so he can save and banter with them, but it never seemed plausible that the Doctor would willingly take along someone who would be such a hindrance. At least a character like Romana(who the Doctor did not accept willingly as a companion) was actually somewhat useful, or "qualified" as an assistant.
The Empty Child/Doctor Dances is perhaps my favorite story of Season One.
Yeah, it took me a bit to warm up to Eccleston. I think because he doesn't come in and let you gradually accept him. He just comes IN, and MAKES you accept that he's The Doctor. And, I love that his goofyness is merely a facade for a deeper pain (I won't SPOILERS it for anyone who hasn't seen Season One yet).
As for Rose, I understand where you're coming from. Romana, Leela, Ace, K-9, and Liz Shaw have been the most "useful" companions. But, I guess the common consensus is that women like Sarah-Jane and Rose are the "best" companions for The Doc. Just dumb enough to ask "what?", but, just smart enough to keep up with him when needed. And, I thought the actress did a great job, personally. But, yeah, there were times when she got a bit tired for me. Sometimes I was wanting more focus on The Doctor, and less on the Perils of Pauline-Rose, you know?
I can understand your dislike of 'Father's Day'. It's very, very un-Who like. However, I'll take soap-opera pathos over RTD's overly silly 'Whedon-esque' moments of flamboyance (burping trashcans, farting aliens, constant gratuitous homosexual innuendo, etc.). That's just me.
Glad you likes it. Give Tennant a shot. He grows on you...
Quote: Prometheus said: I can understand your dislike of 'Father's Day'. It's very, very un-Who like. However, I'll take soap-opera pathos over RTD's overly silly 'Whedon-esque' moments of flamboyance (burping trashcans, farting aliens, constant gratuitous homosexual innuendo, etc.). That's just me.
Yeah, the killer trashcan bit was easily the show's lamest moment. Even Stephen King would have been embarrassed by that. Davies can get a bit too cute at times.
However, I really enjoyed the second episode of the season. It did have an eye-rollingly inconvenient set of giant spinning fans(a major rip out of the action sequence cliche book, and a big pet peeve of mine), but it didn't have as many of the "Whedon-esque" quirks, and the funny moments it did have were much more in line with traditional Who comedy. I couldn't help but crack a smile when the Doctor greeted all the other attending aliens with the gift of "air from my lungs". The side-characters were interesting, the premise was clever, and the revelation at the end was probably the single most important event in the show in that it completely changed the Doctor's role in the larger scheme of things.
That was the episode that made me reconsider my initial stance on both Eccleston and the direction of the series in general.
Quote: Glad you likes it. Give Tennant a shot. He grows on you...
Just finished downloading the first three episodes of the new season(and the Christmas Invasion). Anything to put off studying for finals!
End of the World was, indeed, my second favorite story of Season One. It was very, very inspired by Douglas Adams era of Who, with the dialogue alone. And, yeah, it gut punches you in the end.
You also may want to look for something called "Children In Need" special. It's a small, seven-to-ten minute "in-between" prelude that starts up two seconds after Season One, and ends about two seconds before "The Christmas Invasion". It's the Doctor getting used to his new body, and Rose trying to grasp what's happened to him. It's not essential, but, it's fun to watch...
The Girl in the Fireplace was a fucking incredible piece of Who. Moffat (the writer) should just be named the head writer on this series, and get it over with. His episodes always stand head and shoulders above the rest. His two parter from last season was my favorite of Eccleston's run. This one was so fucking good, I dread the idea that the rest of the season will be weak in comparison.
Quote: Randal_Flagg said: You know that a big picture headline of the Cybermen is a bit of a spoiler for those of us in America who are still watching season one.
Quote: Randal_Flagg said: You know that a big picture headline of the Cybermen is a bit of a spoiler for those of us in America who are still watching season one.
Quote: Randal_Flagg said: You know that a big picture headline of the Cybermen is a bit of a spoiler for those of us in America who are still watching season one.
Why? It's Doctor Who.
Cybermen have been in Doctor Who since 1966!
Right, but I didn't know that they were slated to make a come back. For instance, the Daleks have been "destroyed," but it would be a bit of a bummer if I found out a year in advance that they would be back.
Anywho, I am really not that concerned about spoilers to be honest (with regards to "Dr. Who" that is; otherwise spoilers are my only pet peeve). I mean we all know that there are ten doctors and that anything can happen in inner time, so being a fan is really about just watching the episodes rather than being surprised about how things unfold.
If I might wax philosophically (btw... I AM DRUNK!!!!), I think the charm of "Dr. Who" is its inconsistencies. Whenever a show, movie, novel, comic book, deals with time travel, it seems that there are two possibile approaches: 1) to be logically rigorous and ensure that there are no paradoxes or 2) to say FUCK IT, time travel is weird and strange things happen, if you can't keep up well that is your problem.
"Dr. Who" steers into the curve and doesn't try to explain why things don't add up at the end of the day. Ergo, spoilers aren't that big of a deal....
Quote: Nowhereman said: When did Iron Man appear in Doctor Who?
Well, Marvel artist Bryan Hitch (Authority, Ultimates, JLA) is the art designer for the new series. So, what did you expect? There are alot of comic homages in this new series. Check out "The Empty Child/Doctor Dances" from Season One for Rose's 'Jenny Sparks' outfit, for instance...
Quote: Randal_Flagg said: If I might wax philosophically (btw... I AM DRUNK!!!!), I think the charm of "Dr. Who" is its inconsistencies. Whenever a show, movie, novel, comic book, deals with time travel, it seems that there are two possibile approaches: 1) to be logically rigorous and ensure that there are no paradoxes or 2) to say FUCK IT, time travel is weird and strange things happen, if you can't keep up well that is your problem.
"Dr. Who" steers into the curve and doesn't try to explain why things don't add up at the end of the day. Ergo, spoilers aren't that big of a deal....
Absolutely. That's also what I love about the show. It gives you just enough continuity to hang a hat on. But, in the end, it just goes on its merry, crazy little course, and says fuck the rules. It's time travel. There are BOUND to be inconsistencies and paradoxes. Not to mention, patchworking a continuity of a forty-year show must be an impossible task, in the end.
So, Randall, what did you think of the latest two-parter on Sci-Fi? The Moffat written "Empty Child/Doctor Dances" two-parter?
Quote: Prometheus said: So, Randall, what did you think of the latest two-parter on Sci-Fi? The Moffat written "Empty Child/Doctor Dances" two-parter?
I Tivo'ed part two but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Part One was good. The little boy in the gas mask was kinda creepy and it felt more like some of the old Tom Baker episodes that I have been watching recently. Plus, I am interested to learn more about "Captain Jack."
I'll write more this afternoon, when Ihave had a chance to watch part two.
Ok, I didn't like alot of the writing in this episode. First was Davros-lite.
That guy used to be in Only Fools and Horses playing the idiotic road-sweeper.
But I concur, his acting sucked. It was also painful to see Don Warrington, a frequent on the Grumpy Old Men show. You can't be a Grumpy Old Man who complains about everything and still make cameo's on Dr. Who, its just not proper.
That Byker Grove reject who presents Children's TV was also a slap in the face [the resistance punk]. I want real actor's, not bargain basement variations.
And was it just me who found the Cyber-men completely non-threatening? They were so slow and didn't even have projectile weapons. An old lady could have out-paced them.
I need to go back and watch the Eccleston series, because this new guy just ain't doing it for me.
Ok, I didn't like alot of the writing in this episode. First was Davros-lite.
That guy used to be in Only Fools and Horses playing the idiotic road-sweeper.
But I concur, his acting sucked. It was also painful to see Don Warrington, a frequent on the Grumpy Old Men show. You can't be a Grumpy Old Man who complains about everything and still make cameo's on Dr. Who, its just not proper.
That Byker Grove reject who presents Children's TV was also a slap in the face [the resistance punk]. I want real actor's, not bargain basement variations.
And was it just me who found the Cyber-men completely non-threatening? They were so slow and didn't even have projectile weapons. An old lady could have out-paced them.
I need to go back and watch the Eccleston series, because this new guy just ain't doing it for me.
Not to be rude, but I disagree with you on almost every major front here. Of course, it's a matter of opinion.
I'll admit, Davros/Lumic was a pain, and the one thing that spoilt it for me, but even he had good bits. And He was much more effective as the Cyber Controller than as his human form.
Don Warrington was one of my favourite things about this episode. I really enjoyed his performance in part 1, and he was surprisingly inspiring. Of course, I don't watch Grumpy Old Men, so that may affect it.
Byker Grove (and CBBC, by the way) kid was actually a pleasant surprise. Not terrific, I'll grant you, but he worked well with Mickey/Ricky, and he was better than I affected, after a bad first scene.
And frankly, I was more scared by the Cybermen than I was by the Daleks last series. I thought they were virtually an insult to the old show's Daleks, for reasons that are too lengthy to be discussed here. The Cybermen, on the other hand, were made to look strong, and whilst thier lumbering was as slow as ever I was used to it so it didn't change my opinion.
All in all, I really enjoyed this two parter, and I much prefer David Tennant to Chris Eccleston as a Doctor. Doctor 9 was obviously based on 1 and 6, with the net result that he came across sometimes as someone who didn't want to be there. 10, on the other hand, is very reminiscent of Tom Baker, still the best in my opinion. Plus, so far I've enjoyed every episode, more than can be said for the first 6 episodes of last series, where I was unsatisfied by Rose, largely apathetic to the End of the World, enjoyed The Unquiet Dead and teh Slitheen 2 parter, and loathed Dalek (pity the mericless killing machine? I think not).
Besides the new series with doctors 9 & 10 on Sci-Fi, does anybody know if any of the old shows are shown on TV in the US? If so, what time and station?
Quote: Ultimate Jaburg53 said: This episode is complete ass.
Well Not really, If you cut out the last 5 min of the Episode. And rewrite the Script for the thing in the TV so it doesn't so closely resemble the script of Audrey II from little shop of horrors then the episode was pretty good.
I loved it. Classic style show, for all sorts of reasons. The wire was great, the faceless people were creepy. The episode had one flaw: The stupid boy-dad storyline thing, but even that didn't spoilt it too much. And thw Wire's script resembled Audrey II's? Other than the feed me stuff, they were nothing alike.
Quote: SpandexMonkeyMan said: I loved it. Classic style show, for all sorts of reasons. The wire was great, the faceless people were creepy. The episode had one flaw: The stupid boy-dad storyline thing, but even that didn't spoilt it too much. And thw Wire's script resembled Audrey II's? Other than the feed me stuff, they were nothing alike.
Oh i guess you chose to look at her 2 or 3 other lines other then "Feed Me"
I thought this one was kinda meh. Not bad exactly, but nothing that made it really stand out. Probably the worst one of the series so far, though still thoroughly watchable.
Quote: SpandexMonkeyMan said: I thought this one was kinda meh. Not bad exactly, but nothing that made it really stand out. Probably the worst one of the series so far, though still thoroughly watchable.
Well, I haven't seen it yet. But, you enjoyed Idiot's Lantern, so, I doubt I'm going to agree with you...
I watched Dr. Who for the first time last night, with the reality shows that kill people. Odd, but quite enjoyable. And this Doctor is bad-ass.
My only other Who experience was thanks to Nickolodeon years ago. They showed an episode that had a hotel or apartment complex or what have you that ate people.
Man, you're coming right into it in the end of the season. What you watched was part-one of the season finale. I'm surprised that you could keep up with all the continuity referencing.
If you get a chance, as I'm certain Sc-Fi will rerun this whole season again, try and catch them in order. Glad you dug it. Yeah, the 9th Doctor is the 'black (leather) sheep' of the incarnations. Intimidating and goofy, all rolled into one...
Quote: Prometheus said: Man, you're coming right into it in the end of the season. What you watched was part-one of the season finale. I'm surprised that you could keep up with all the continuity referencing.
If you get a chance, as I'm certain Sc-Fi will rerun this whole season again, try and catch them in order. Glad you dug it. Yeah, the 9th Doctor is the 'black (leather) sheep' of the incarnations. Intimidating and goofy, all rolled into one...
That he is. That epsiode with the reality tv shows cracked me up. At least the shows they used cracked me up. "you are the weakest link" heh
I've seen up through ep 2x6. Of the latest batch my brother gave me, I only have one left to go, 2x7.
I need to either try and download school reunion myself or get another copy of it from my brother. Because it won't play on windows media player (no matter what plug-ins I've downlaoded) and it just stops (in divix) right after Sarah and Rose laugh about the things the Doctor does, he comes in, then they switch to another scene, outside. I have nothing past that. What also annoys me is that divix won't let e fast forward. I even downlloaded the latest version and am still having problems.
Oh well, took me a bit to get used to David Tennant because he's not as dark as Eschelton(sp) but he still threatens people when needed. I don't think I buy his threats as much as I did the previous Doctor though.
I've finally caught up and have to say that Tennant has really grown on me as far as being the Doctor goes. He is definitely not as dark as Eccleston (who was, as near as I can figure, having no previous exposure to the mythos, a great Doctor), but I see no reason why he has to be. He is definitely carving out his own niche and I find his portrayal quite enjoyable while not taking anything away from everything that Eccleston did with the role.
Quite right, Chewy! Every incarnation that's been worth its salt has been by an actor who knew that being your own interpretation of the character was the way to go.....not copying previous ones.
Eccleston was instantly classic. He carved his own dark, brooding incarnation in mere episodes, and, gave us a Doctor we've never seen before. That's saying something, given that eight guys had preceeded him. He was, as is said... "Fantastic!"
Tennant didn't truly grab me until 'Tooth & Claw'. At that point, he truly came into his own, and you can tell that's when the actor realized how he wanted to play the 10th Doctor. I attribute at least half of that on the fact that the first two episodes (Christmas Invasion and New Earth) were extremely gay RTD wankfests.
Personally, The Girl in the Fireplace has become my number-two favorite Who episode of all time. It just hits me in all the right spots...
Quote: Prometheus said: Personally, The Girl in the Fireplace has become my number-two favorite Who episode of all time. It just hits me in all the right spots...
This episode definitely made me love Tennant's Doctor. It really wasn't until this one that I became a fan of his...
I agree with Pro on the character thing. If you look at the weakest Doctors, they're almost always baseing their characterisation oon tprevious ones too much. Colin Baker did that, and he was definitely the weakest.
As for David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston, I liked Eccleston initially but he started to grate on me by 'Dalek' (though my dislike of the story itself might have something to do with it). He was just too dark for me, and I foudn that off-putting, I liked him best during the humorous moments (his interplay with Captain Jack was great).
David Temmamt, on the other hand, had me from the get-go. I loved Christmas Invasion and New Earth, though I'll admit they weren't perfect.
As for 'Girl in the Fireplace' I liked it, but not as much as School Reunion or Christmas Invasion. They both broke into my top 10 doctor who episodes, and School Reunion got up there pretty high too. Girl was like Spearhead from Space and Kinda in that, whilst I really enjoyed watching it and would gladly watch it again, it didn't grab me in the same way as (for example) School Reunion, Talons of Weng-Chiang or The Greatest Show in the Galaxy.
Man, you and I have polar tastes in Who. Which, is cool. But, where you like the silly, superheroic, and light moments....I enjoy the more serious aspects and emotional gravitas. Eccleston was, indeed, the "dark" Doctor. He was the wounded, and scarred incarnation. Racked with survivor's guilt, the torture of his life finally catching up to him. I loved that. That was a genuinely unique way of portraying the character. It didn't repeat past molds in the least. It gave you an entirely new aspect to the character.
Tennant, though, took me a bit. Mainly because, while he injects his own brand of whimsy and humor into the role, he also plays heavily at times on past aspects and incarnations. With The Girl in the Fireplace, I was able to glimpse the more mature, and serious nature of this incarnation, and how Tennant chose to portray that. It was those aspects that have won me over with Tennant, and the 10th Doctor.
The Christmas Invasion, New Earth, and The Idiot's Lantern were all quite bad. Silly, campy, goofy, bad pacing, you name it. It wasn't so much Tennant that turned me off, but, the script. And while I genuinely love School Reunion, I reserve it in my heart as a nostalgic love letter to the original series. But,as an original, intelligent, witty, and emotionally gripping story, The Girl in the Fireplace beats it out no contest.
Funny how the Tardis console now looks like it has a warp core sprouting out of it....Every time I see it, I keep expecting Geordi LaForge to appear and say, " Coolant Leak! We've got a coolant leak and we're venting plasma into space!"
Yeah, I know what you mean. Since the Doctor Who movie starring McGann they ran the time rotor throught the roof of the control room. Only it didn't look like the warp core because it was a more traditional control panel.
Here is this weeks episode. I am warning you though. This episode was dreadful. Almost vomit enducing. It really is shame David Tennant pulls off the doctor so well. But the writers of this show are fucking it up badly.
I loved this sotry. It's different, true, but very good. Good performances (except for Camille Coduri; why can't Rose's Mum just die?), emotional without being sentimental, and a good story. Alright, so we were treated to wholesale destruction of characters on a scale not seen since Horror of Fang Rock, but it was still a good story, to my view.
In fact, I would say the writing of this series has drastically improved on the first, which at times was just shocking (I refer to the thoroughly loathsome Dalek, and the desperately dull Boom Town). This season, on the other hand, has been exactly what Doctor Who should be: Fun. Drak on occasion, often quite serious, but still fun.
I loved this sotry. It's different, true, but very good. Good performances (except for Camille Coduri; why can't Rose's Mum just die?), emotional without being sentimental, and a good story. Alright, so we were treated to wholesale destruction of characters on a scale not seen since Horror of Fang Rock, but it was still a good story, to my view.
In fact, I would say the writing of this series has drastically improved on the first, which at times was just shocking (I refer to the thoroughly loathsome Dalek, and the desperately dull Boom Town). This season, on the other hand, has been exactly what Doctor Who should be: Fun. Drak on occasion, often quite serious, but still fun.
....wow.....yours and my taste couldn't be more opposite...
Here is this weeks episode. I am warning you though. This episode was dreadful. Almost vomit enducing. It really is shame David Tennant pulls off the doctor so well. But the writers of this show are fucking it up badly.
We're delighted to announce that in November, 1968's Cyber-epic The Invasion will be released on DVD - including fully-animated recreations of two missing episodes, by world-renowned studio Cosgrove Hall.
This Invasion stars Patrick Troughton as the Second Doctor in a battle with the Cybermen. Episodes One and Four from this eight-part story have long been missing from the BBC's archives, but the soundtracks survived.
Sophie Walpole, head of the BBC's Interactive Drama & Entertainment division, explained the thinking behind the project. "In the year that the Cyberman have returned to Doctor Who, it seemed a good idea to complete one of their finest outings from the 1960s," she said. "We have found a unique and innovative way of presenting this classic adventure with new animation fitted to the lovingly restored soundtrack."
Cosgrove Hall's Lead Animator Steve Maher found the job of recreating a black and white TV adventure "a slightly surreal experience", but explained that animating Patrick Troughton's Doctor was a real treat. "He has a wonderfully animatable face, so he was a gift. Baddies are invariably more fun to depict than the good guys so the sneering, unblinking Tobias Vaughn was a lot of fun, too."
The company had previously worked on the 40th anniversary Doctor Who story, and have been able to significantly advance the techniques they developed for The Invasion.
This wasn't too bad. The story premise wasn't too bad, but the realisation flunked out. Their was a lot of emotional crap that just wasn't convincing, but that was due to bad casting (next time your story relies on a smnall girl, find one who can act). I'd give it a 6 out of 10: nto bad, but sure as hell not great.
We're delighted to announce that in November, 1968's Cyber-epic The Invasion will be released on DVD - including fully-animated recreations of two missing episodes, by world-renowned studio Cosgrove Hall.
This Invasion stars Patrick Troughton as the Second Doctor in a battle with the Cybermen. Episodes One and Four from this eight-part story have long been missing from the BBC's archives, but the soundtracks survived.
Sophie Walpole, head of the BBC's Interactive Drama & Entertainment division, explained the thinking behind the project. "In the year that the Cyberman have returned to Doctor Who, it seemed a good idea to complete one of their finest outings from the 1960s," she said. "We have found a unique and innovative way of presenting this classic adventure with new animation fitted to the lovingly restored soundtrack."
Cosgrove Hall's Lead Animator Steve Maher found the job of recreating a black and white TV adventure "a slightly surreal experience", but explained that animating Patrick Troughton's Doctor was a real treat. "He has a wonderfully animatable face, so he was a gift. Baddies are invariably more fun to depict than the good guys so the sneering, unblinking Tobias Vaughn was a lot of fun, too."
The company had previously worked on the 40th anniversary Doctor Who story, and have been able to significantly advance the techniques they developed for The Invasion.
Rock the fuck on...
I remember having the original on VHS! It had awful linking scenes with Nicholas Courtney in place of the missing episodes!
I liked Troughton as the Doctor but apart from Tomb of the Cybermen and some of War Games, I haven't really enjoyed any of his adventures!
Oh my GOD. I agree with Pro, this two parter looks set to unseat Remembrance of the Daleks as my all-time favourite story. Cybermen+Daleks+lots of Torchwood-shaped cannon fodder=So many stars your head explodes.
Quote: Prometheus said: Man, I actually liked it! Sure, it had RTD's by-the-numbers feel. But, in the end, it was fun. Can't WAIT for the next episode...
It was alright, It's just that With that many components going on in the episode I feel It could of been a lot better.
See the new assistant Newcomer Freema Agyeman is to take over from Billie Piper in the third series of Doctor Who, it has been revealed.
Agyeman, 27, will play Martha Jones in the next run of the drama, due to start filming in Cardiff this summer.
Regular viewers saw her in last week's episode where she played Adeola, a minor character who suffered at the hands of the Cybermen.
The current series of Doctor Who finishes on BBC One this Saturday and sees Piper leaving the show.
"When I first saw Freema Agyeman she had come in to audition for the part of Adeola in series two," said executive producer and writer Russell T Davies.
I've been keeping this secret from my friends for months Freema Agyeman "Watching her during filming confirmed what an exciting new talent she was, so under cover of darkness we called her back in to audition with David [Tennant] for the role of the new companion.
"It was an immediate and sensational combination."
Previous roles
Agyeman has previously been seen as Lola Wise in the soap Crossroads, and has had small parts in Casualty and The Bill.
The London-born actress was one of several names rumoured for the Doctor Who role, including singer Rachel Stevens and former Eastenders star Michelle Ryan.
"I've been keeping this secret from my friends for months," said Agyeman. "It's been driving me mad."
"It still hasn't quite sunk in, I'm sure it will slam home first day on set when I'm stood gazing at David Tennant."
Although she has now officially joined the cast, producers say Agyeman will not be featured in this year's Christmas edition of Doctor Who.
"We've got another surprise in store for that," said Davies.
Exit
Piper, the Doctor's current companion, revealed she was leaving the programme last month.
The BBC had refused to comment on reports that her character, Rose Tyler, dies in the final episode of the series.
However, last week's episode opened with a voice-over from the character saying: "This is the story of how I died."
Piper, 23, is currently filming a BBC adaptation of Philip Pullman's Victorian thriller The Ruby in the Smoke.
"Billie rightly built up an amazing fan base and she will be missed," said Agyeman, "but I hope the fans are willing to go on new adventures with me."
Just saw the episodes with Captain Jack in them. I was shocked they actually did a bisexual companion. I'll have to check out the whole Torchwood series when it comes out.
Yeah, read about "Martha Jones" during the holiday. Got to say, I could care less what her nationality is, as long as she's a good actress, not annoying, and hot. She already fits at least one of those criteria...
But, please! "Martha Jones"?? Have they run out of fucking names across the pond? Could they have BEEN more bland about it?
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, read about "Martha Jones" during the holiday. Got to say, I could care less what her nationality is, as long as she's a good actress, not annoying, and hot. She already fits at least one of those criteria...
But, please! "Martha Jones"?? Have they run out of fucking names across the pond? Could they have BEEN more bland about it?
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, read about "Martha Jones" during the holiday. Got to say, I could care less what her nationality is, as long as she's a good actress, not annoying, and hot. She already fits at least one of those criteria...
But, please! "Martha Jones"?? Have they run out of fucking names across the pond? Could they have BEEN more bland about it?
I'd have named her Luwanda May Johnson. I like that name . If not that, then maybe Latisha Mathews...
Wonder if there'll ever be a black Doctor? That would be awesome.
As long as it's a good actor, I don't see why not. But, he would HAVE to be damn good. Otherwise, he would simply go down in history as "The black Doctor". And that would be limiting and unfair...
Quote: Prometheus said: As long as it's a good actor, I don't see why not. But, he would HAVE to be damn good. Otherwise, he would simply go down in history as "The black Doctor". And that would be limiting and unfair...
Now there's an image in my brain of the guy from the Tangueray commercials riding around in the TARDIS.
although sometimes. . .just sometimes. . .I think you get a little too creative with names. . .
You're just being limiting and unfair!
("Nida", I'll give you...sounds like an olive, or something. But "Zbinden" is an actual name from an actual girl I know. Don't blame me! Blame reality! I do...)
Thank you, UJ!! I knew I couldn't have been the ONLY one here who has long wanted to see a scene like that one pictured above....with The 4 th Doctor on the bridge of the Enterprise 1710 D, sharing jelly babies with Captain Picard....
Imagine the dialogue between Data and K - 9!!
K - 9 : " What form of life are you?"
Data : " My name is Commander Data. I am an android. An artificial being created to resemble a human."
K- 9 : " I am K - 9. I am a robotic dog. I am the Doctor's assistant. You will back off and allow me to make the nessecary repairs to the console."
Data : " That would not be acceptable. You are not authorized to make any repairs to this ship."
K - 9 : ( extends his nose ray gun and assumes a defensive posture. )
" I am K - 9, I am an expert at making repairs to machinery. Retreat, retreat!"
At this point, the 4 th Doctor, portrayed by Tom Baker enters the bridge.
Doctor : " K - 9, what's going on then?"
K - 9 : " Master, I am attemping to make repairs to this android named Commander Data's damaged console, and he is resisting."
Doctor : " K - 9, don't be rude. This is Commander Data's ship. I assume that, being an artificial form of life, that he is just as adept as you are at repairing damaged machines. Put your weapon away and apologize to Commander Data."
K - 9 reluctantly withdraws his ray weapon, says, " I am sorry, Commander Data.", lowers his head, makes a sad sound and slowly backs away from Commander Data.
Commander Data : " K - 9 appears to be sad now because you would not allow him to be helpful."
Doctor : " He'll get over it. Would you like a jelly baby?"
The Doctor produces a bag of jelly babies from hi pocket and offers them to Data.
Data picks on e up, and stares at it.
Commnader Data : " Ah...sugared confection. Humans find these quite appealing. I, however, being an android, do not comsume such things. Thank you, but no thank you."
The Doctor notices Counselor Troi has entered the room.
The Doctor : " Hello, young lady, would you like a jelly baby?" He asks her as he points the bag in her direction.
She just looks at the bag with a look of curiousity.
Commander Data : " They are sugared confection, Counselor. You have demonstrated a fondness for chocolate and sugared confections."
Counselor Troi : " Oh, thank you! she says as she smiles and reaches into the bag, pulling out a few of them and eating one while holding the other jelly babies in her hand. The Doctor smiles that ever popular toothy grin of his.
Worf enters the room.
The Doctor offers the candy to him.
Worf : " I prefer Gagh! I do NOT eat candy. It is too sweet!"
The Doctor turns to Counselor Troi, who wears a bit of a smirk after hearing Worf's remark.
The Doctor : " What is Gagh?"
Counselor Troi : " Worf is Klingon. It is live baby eels. On his homeworld, Gagh is considered a delicasy."
The Doctor : " That sounds nasty."
The Doctor spots Geordi LaForge, rushes after him and offers him a jelly baby.
Quote: Nowhereman said: Just watched the last two episodes back to back, and it surprised me that nobody mentioned:
In Army of ghosts, the girl the Cyberman control is the new assisant!
In Fear her, The Doctor mentions that he was a father once.
In the VERY first episode, back in 1963 , called An Unearthly Child, the first Doctor travels with his grand daughter, Susan..so, it was established at the VERY start of the series that the Doctor had fathered at least one child.
Not really. Was it ever said that she actually was a blood relative? Also, was it ever mentioned again after this?
I tend to think that whole grandaughter thing was glossed over as time went on as I dont believe the Doctor was much more than an old man when they first created Doctor Who. Most of the Doctor Who origins came later!
Good point on both fronts. I usually talk serious Who on other boards, as, normally, no one on here gives a shit. But, if you want to talk some Who...
-Yeah, I knew that they were double-casting. It's not without precedence, though. Look at Brigadier, Romana II, and even the 6th Doctor. All appeared on the series as other characters before being cast as the ones we know them for. So, it doesn't really bother me. Besides, she had about five minutes of air time, and maybe three lines before she got Cyberized. So, I'll judge her when she becomes the "Martha" character.
-In Eccleston's episode "The Empty Child", a character comments with the line "Before this war I was a father, and a grandfather." The Doctor replied "I know what you mean...". But, you're right. The entire subject of Susan has always been something of an enigma. Half of fandom believe she is something of an adopted child, calling The Doctor "grandfather" because (A) he raised her, and, (B) he was late into the elderly stage of his original incarnation by the time we first meet the character. The other half have always subscribed to the notion that she is, indeed, his granddaughter. I'm in the latter camp, myself. To me, it would be absurd to think he had lived so many centuries, and had never once fallen in love or fathered a child. Tennant's line just pretty much confirmed it, is all.
I, for one, would hope we see Susan again someday. She was a Time Lord, after all. Therefore, any modern actress could play her in a new incarnation. Although, it would be so much more effective if Carol Ann Ford (the original Susan) appeared in a regeneration scene...
Didn't realize you were following the series now, NM. Did you ever even try Eccleston's episodes?
I, too, would like very much to see Susan ( Carol Ann Ford ) again. It would be a splendid nod to the very early days of this wonderfully long lived series.
As long as we're at it, how about a reunion with Barbara and Ian?
Well, Jaqueline Hill (Barbara) is dead. But, William Russel (Ian) is still alive and active. I, too, would simply love a visit to an elderly Ian. You could just have it mirror real life, and Barbara died a few years back of natural causes, after they had a lifetime together. What really striked me as unique about Ian & Barb, is that they are the very first (as far as we know) human companions The Doctor ever had. What was the rest of their life like, hearing or seeing alien things happening around the world, and knowing The Doctor was out there? Not to mention, how would Ian....the character that was the "young, action hero" to Hartnell's "elderly Doctor".....react to the character now appearing younger than he ever was during their time together? In other words, the tables would be reversed. That's something I would like to see explored.
Also, of note, I would love to see The Doctor attend the Brigadier's deathbed, and be there as he breathed his last. The actor (Nicholas Courtney) isn't getting any younger. And, it would be nice to have some closure on a character that's appeared with every Doc (except Eccleston).
Of course, I know all of the above is merely a pipedream, best suited for novels and such. But, I can still wish...
Baker has stated that he would be happy to appear on the new show.......................as The Master! I'm not lying. He really said he wanted to play The Master.
Quote: Prometheus said: Well, Jaqueline Hill (Barbara) is dead. But, William Russel (Ian) is still alive and active. I, too, would simply love a visit to an elderly Ian. You could just have it mirror real life, and Barbara died a few years back of natural causes, after they had a lifetime together. What really striked me as unique about Ian & Barb, is that they are the very first (as far as we know) human companions The Doctor ever had. What was the rest of their life like, hearing or seeing alien things happening around the world, and knowing The Doctor was out there? Not to mention, how would Ian....the character that was the "young, action hero" to Hartnell's "elderly Doctor".....react to the character now appearing younger than he ever was during their time together? In other words, the tables would be reversed. That's something I would like to see explored.
Also, of note, I would love to see The Doctor attend the Brigadier's deathbed, and be there as he breathed his last. The actor (Nicholas Courtney) isn't getting any younger. And, it would be nice to have some closure on a character that's appeared with every Doc (except Eccleston).
Of course, I know all of the above is merely a pipedream, best suited for novels and such. But, I can still wish...
Baker has stated that he would be happy to appear on the new show.......................as The Master! I'm not lying. He really said he wanted to play The Master.
Did you ever see Tom Baker play the evil magician in The Golden Voyage Of Sinbad? He did an outstanding job of playing the bad guy there. I would love to see him portray the Master.
Hell, I'd want him back in the series under any (Reasonable ) capacity!!!!
Hey, Pro,I cannot post pics here yet..If I take a pic of a Dr Who ( Tom Baker era ) drawing I did of the Dr., Leela, and K - 9, could I private it to you and would you post it?
I'm not really watching Doctor Who as such, it was just that they had a double header on one channel & I couldnt see anything better to watch!
As I say, if I can find the Ecclestone set cheap enough in DVD, I will prolly buy it!
Now onto Daddy Who! Now if you think about it, we have heard stories of there only being 13 regenerations (thats the right number yes?), so maybe after Ecclestons short run, the BBC are hedging their bets & setting up a potential son of Doctor Who incase Tennant fucks off early as well (and anyone else).
As for Baker as the Master, now that works on sooooo many levels! Firstly the idea that the Master could regenerate into an identical image of one of the Doctors could create all sorts of ideas about just who exactly the Timelords are.
Or maybe the Master could just get plastic surgery as part of a dastardly plan.
Either way it could make for a story where the Doctor meets the Master but is maybe initially fooled into thinking that somehow he has met a previous regeneration.
With the new assistant, whats weird about this over any previous actor with multiple roles is that she was announced just days after this episode aired, so although her role wasnt huge, it was fresh in peoples minds, and of the supporting cast, she was actually quite prominant!
Quote: Nowhereman said: I'm not really watching Doctor Who as such, it was just that they had a double header on one channel & I couldnt see anything better to watch!
As I say, if I can find the Ecclestone set cheap enough in DVD, I will prolly buy it!
Now onto Daddy Who! Now if you think about it, we have heard stories of there only being 13 regenerations (thats the right number yes?), so maybe after Ecclestons short run, the BBC are hedging their bets & setting up a potential son of Doctor Who incase Tennant fucks off early as well (and anyone else).
As for Baker as the Master, now that works on sooooo many levels! Firstly the idea that the Master could regenerate into an identical image of one of the Doctors could create all sorts of ideas about just who exactly the Timelords are.
Or maybe the Master could just get plastic surgery as part of a dastardly plan. Either way it could make for a story where the Doctor meets the Master but is maybe initially fooled into thinking that somehow he has met a previous regeneration.
With the new assistant, whats weird about this over any previous actor with multiple roles is that she was announced just days after this episode aired, so although her role wasnt huge, it was fresh in peoples minds, and of the supporting cast, she was actually quite prominant!
Yeah, he can regenerate twelve time...ala' thirteen bodies. We're on number ten now. So, we've got three more Docs to go. And, you may be right about the 'Son of...' thing. However, I'm almost certain they'll come up with an entire new life cycle for the Doc if they go all the way to the end. Hopefully we'll see.
As for Baker...understand....I think it would be genius for him to be cast as The Master. What I find so funny is that it is exactly something Baker would say and want. He's so fucking bizarre. Love 'em...
As for the new companion, I understand that she's in the current public's eye. And, I also understand she may be "someone" to the UK crowd. But, as I've never seen her before...and the fact it'll be at least a fucking year before I get to see Season 3...I'm not too worried about it. As long as she's fun...hot...and a good actress...
As for the new companion, I understand that she's in the current public's eye. And, I also understand she may be "someone" to the UK crowd.
She aint famous, in fact never heard of her before.
I just find it funny that she is on the show one day, then a few days later its announced, especially when you consider she has known for months according to her interview. Just strange timing on the part of the BBC. You would have thought they would wait a few more months or weeks just so that she isnt so "present" in peoples minds!
Man, when in the name of Samuel W. Scratch is Sci-Fi gonna show more Dr. Who?!? They're like drug pushers, man! They get me hooked, and then leave me jonesin' for another hit!
Man, I certainly didn't mind the hack in this one. It was very moving...heartbreaking, even. The appearance of "the bride" at the end was fucking c-r-e-e-p-y.
This season finished strong. Well done...
Now...only, what? One-hundred-seventy days until the Christmas special?
Amuse yourself and irritate your co-workers with Doctor Who talking pens. The pens are based on the popular and long-lived science fiction show "Doctor Who."
The show started back in 1963 and is now on its 10th Doctor, but it still has the same iconic TARDIS spacecraft, as well as that fictional extraterrestrial race of mutants called Daleks. These icons are mirrored on the pens, which are available in both the TARDIS and Dalek styles.
As an extra bonus, the pens could easily inspire a round of Abbott and Costello-like "Who's on First?" banter:
Annoying co-worker: "Whose pen is that?" (Read: Who's pen, is that?)
You: "Yes it is."
With enough clever banter like that, you could hear surprisingly loud phrases like "Seek, Locate, Annihilate" and "Exterminate" not only from the black Dalek pen, but from your new ex-friend.
The sounds emanating from the blue TARDIS pen are nearly identical to the classic and somewhat cheesy sounds of the "real" TARDIS. Both pens also play the "Doctor Who" theme song. The pens retail for about $12.
I have an 8 inch tall talking Tom Baker as fourth Doctor figure..got him on Ebay a couple years ago...it says six phrases such as, " I'm a timelord, you know..I've been around, I have two hearts, bypass respiratory system.." and " You're learning..that's a good sign..but you mustn't take any credit. It's strictly due to my influence."
Talking K - 9 comes with him..he says a few phrases, one of them being , " I, too, have defensive capabilities... Retreat! Retreat!"
The Doctor figure comes with scarf and hat, a bag of jelly babies and of course, his ever handy sonic screwdriver.
Prices vary. I paid $64.00 for mine, including shipping. A bit pricey, but it is worth it.
That is absolutely amazing!! Wow! That console room looks like one could walk in, and set the controls and wind up on Skaro.....!
Many years ago, a friend taught me how to meditate. He told me to pick a place where I felt safe and comfortable in my head, and hold the image while I meditated..the place I chose? You guessed it!
Bryan Hitch used to shop in the same comic shop as me, but I never met him!
He did make me an offer for a back issue I had put by though. He saw it & asked the wanker who ran the shop to get me to let him have it! I said "Tell him to fuck off & draw a popular title like JLA!"
You should do an "American" version of that one. All it looks like to us is Baker emphasizing the number "2". Just, take off his first finger, as well........cunt....
You should do an "American" version of that one. All it looks like to us is Baker emphasizing the number "2". Just, take off his first finger, as well........cunt....
I didnt take his other fingers off, so why should I take that one off?
You should do an "American" version of that one. All it looks like to us is Baker emphasizing the number "2". Just, take off his first finger, as well........cunt....
I didnt take his other fingers off, so why should I take that one off?
You didn't Photoshop that? What the hell's that from, then? And, why is he giving everyone the "Fuck Off"?
You should do an "American" version of that one. All it looks like to us is Baker emphasizing the number "2". Just, take off his first finger, as well........cunt....
Dude, c'mon, who doesn't know what that means?
Ok, I just added Dr. Who: Season 1 to my netflix list. I figure, 34 pages of you guys wanking to how good this is, it has to be a decent series. Thing is, I get the feeling that there were episodes to this series that existed prior to the season 1 that is out now. Am I right? And do I need to know about the earlier stuff to get the new Dr. Who stuff? You prolly have answered this somewhere in this thread, but I can't be arsed to actually read 34 pages of this.
Thats my quick review of the season, its been around for 40+ years and you don't have to watch previous seasons to understand it, but it helps. If you have any questions ask the guy who's fucking the doctor up the ass, he knows the history. Or any of the other posters obsessed with the show.
Quote: harleykwin said: Dude, c'mon, who doesn't know what that means?
Was that my point, dear?
Quote: Ok, I just added Dr. Who: Season 1 to my netflix list. I figure, 34 pages of you guys wanking to how good this is, it has to be a decent series. Thing is, I get the feeling that there were episodes to this series that existed prior to the season 1 that is out now. Am I right? And do I need to know about the earlier stuff to get the new Dr. Who stuff? You prolly have answered this somewhere in this thread, but I can't be arsed to actually read 34 pages of this.
It started in 1963.
When near death, the Doctor can "regenerate" his body. Breaks down at the molecular level, repairs itself, and snaps back together again. However, there's no "blueprint" for the physical appearance, so, everytime he does this, it alters his physical appearance and scrambled his grey matter. Different body, different mindset. Same guy. He can only do this twelve times, then, he will really die.
In 43 years, he's regenerated nine times. Thus, nine different actors have played him.
You don't have to know a single thing about the show if you're just starting with the 2005 season ("Season One/Season Forty-Two").
If you want to glimpse all the Doctors, or, a brief synopsis of the history, go to the first post on page 1 of this thread.
I think you'll dig it. It's a fun show. Lots of imagination and silly wit. Hope you enjoy...
A) If she's just starting with the 2005 season, no need to explain the future to her. She can encounter #10 on her own.
NO ONE counts "fake" Hartnell, or any of the other "non-cannon" actors that have appeared in other medias. The point is to keep it simple for her. When can shoot our fanboy juices over her once she's watched a few episodes.
Quote: harleykwin said: Dude, c'mon, who doesn't know what that means?
Was that my point, dear?
Quote: All it looks like to us is Baker emphasizing the number "2".
I don't know, was it?
Quote: Ok, I just added Dr. Who: Season 1 to my netflix list. I figure, 34 pages of you guys wanking to how good this is, it has to be a decent series. Thing is, I get the feeling that there were episodes to this series that existed prior to the season 1 that is out now. Am I right? And do I need to know about the earlier stuff to get the new Dr. Who stuff? You prolly have answered this somewhere in this thread, but I can't be arsed to actually read 34 pages of this.
It started in 1963.
When near death, the Doctor can "regenerate" his body. Breaks down at the molecular level, repairs itself, and snaps back together again. However, there's no "blueprint" for the physical appearance, so, everytime he does this, it alters his physical appearance and scrambled his grey matter. Different body, different mindset. Same guy. He can only do this twelve times, then, he will really die.
In 43 years, he's regenerated nine times. Thus, nine different actors have played him.
You don't have to know a single thing about the show if you're just starting with the 2005 season ("Season One/Season Forty-Two").
If you want to glimpse all the Doctors, or, a brief synopsis of the history, go to the first post on page 1 of this thread.
I think you'll dig it. It's a fun show. Lots of imagination and silly wit. Hope you enjoy...
It kinda sounds like Highlander 'cept, of course, the Highlander always has the same physical appearance. Also, "different mindseet" - does the doctor retain his prior memories? Of is he a whole "new" character each time he is "reborn"?
Quote: harleykwin said: Also, "different mindseet" - does the doctor retain his prior memories? Of is he a whole "new" character each time he is "reborn"?
He is the same man, with the same memories. But, things like his moods, sense of humor, and, entire personal demeanor can change ever so slightly, or, quite radically. There are subtle details to the character that remain consistent, personality-wise. However, the latitude allows each actor to portray The Doctor in his own way, giving each incarnation its own individual personality. For example, the 1st Doctor (his original body/personality) was a wise, tetchy, impatient, paranoid super-genius. However, once he regenerated into his second incarnation, he became more of a sort of "cosmic hobo", acting the fool, and throwing his enemies off balance by allowing them to think he was normally clueless....when in fact, he was always about ten steps ahead. The 3rd Doctor was more of a brawler, while the 4th a hippy-ish bohemian, wandering with little direction. And so on, and so forth. You get the idea.
Quote: What do you mean "explain the future"? Is #10 one of the earlier episodes?
Nope, the 10th Doctor is a later incarnation from where you're starting. The season you're starting with is the 9th Doctor...
"Doctor Who" spin-off series "Torchwood" that was due to premier in winter has run into technical problems which has apparently forced the BBC to re-shoot much of the series.
According to a source for the Sci-Fi Pulse website, "What was originally going to be a dark and brooding series has suddenly gone all bright and glossy". Why? Seems the flashy Panasonic HD cameras are having problems working in low light. He adds "A lot of tape has been junked. Scenes re-shot in full lighting".
The series follows a group of renegade criminal investigators in modern-day Cardiff who make use of alien technology that has fallen to Earth. Production was originally scheduled to run from May to October, with airing to begin around October/November. No word on what delays will ensue due to these problems.
Yeah, every once in a while there would be a character who would do the "Doctor? Doctor Who?" thing. It was always sort of a "who's on third" type of deal.
The show was originally going to only run for six weeks. By the end, the question of who this guy was would be answered. When it suddenly became popular (due to the Daleks) they kept it running, and dropped the notion of explaining the character.
Jerry and MEM are correct. It's a long-standing traditonal joke that, in at least every incarnation, at some point, someone is going to recite the "Doctor? Doctor who?" line. The latest being Tennant's first episode (The Christmas Invasion) when Rose says that this new guy is The Doctor, and Jackie (her mom) replies "What do you mean that's The Doctor? Doctor who?!"
There have other various instances where it's been hinted that "Who" may be a shortened translation of his last name, much like when he met the female Time Lord Romanaveradnalunda. The Doctor explained that he wasn't going to call her that everytime, and said he would shorten it to either "Romana" or "Fred". She liked Fred, but he stuck her with Romana.
In his 3rd incarnation, when he was exiled to Earth, the license plate on his car read "Who1" (or "Who3", I can't remember). Other times, conversations have gone like this:
"I'm The Doctor."
"The Doctor? Doctor who?"
"Yes, quite right..."
Add variation.
And, finally, the credits for probably close to fifteen years of the series listed the character as "Doctor Who".
So, there's plenty of precedent for why it's called Doctor Who. It may be his name. It may be a title. It may just be the name of the show. But, in the end, the only name he'll ever offer is simply just "The Doctor".
Besides, calling him "Doctor Who" is kind of gay...
There have other various instances where it's been hinted that "Who" may be a shortened translation of his last name, much like when he met the female Time Lord Romanaveradnalunda. The Doctor explained that he wasn't going to call her that everytime, and said he would shorten it to either "Romana" or "Fred". She liked Fred, but he stuck her with Romana.
This scene between The Doctor and Romana took place in the episode titled " The Ribos Operation."
It was the very first one where we meet Romana....
They were walking out of the TARDIS when the Doctor said to her, " I need to talk to you about something....It's your name ..what is it? Romanaveradnalunda.?"
Romana says, "Romanaveradnalunda."
The Doctor : " It's too long. In case you're in some sort of danger, by the time I call out your name .."
Romana : " Romanaveradnalunda."
The Doctor : " Yes, by the time I call out your name, it could be too late and you'd be dead. How about if we just shorten it to Romana?"
Romana : " I don't like that name."
The Doctor : " It's either THAT or I call you Fred!"
Quote: Nowhereman said: If we wanted the opinions of the French we'd...........well actually, we'd never want the opinions of the French, so its a moot point!
But I'm not french...fuck. I'm not even Quebecois. I'm Canadian...from Alberta. English is my native tounge. Hell...you can probably speak better french than I.
Cool toys!! I have an 8.5 inch talking Tom Baker as 4 th Doctor figure with talking K - 9, myself..and a 7 inch TARDIS and the 11 inch TARDIS my Doctor and K 9 figures came in.
Fuck off! Last time I saw a playset that impressive was the Star Trek: Next Gen bridge. I think I'll be needing to pick most of these up (how fucking cool is a figure of 'the last human'?? I fucking loved that bitch!).
I have this. It is ultra cool! The Doctor says six phrases in Tom Baker's voice, K - 9 uses John Leeson's voice and says a couple phrases... I have these on my desk under an acrylic cube with some other figures. Yes he has pupils in his eyes, the flash kinda blotted them out.
Quote: Beardguy57 said: He's awesome! The resemblance to Tom Baker is spot on! What other Doctor Who stuff do you have, Pro?
Aside from DVDs, and books, not much. I've got a picture with Jon Pertwee (the 3rd Doctor) when I was twelve, plus his autograph. Got an old Dapol figure of Sylvester McCoy (7th Doctor) still in the box.
I have all the Tom Baker episodes, some Hartnell, some Troughton, and all but one of the Pertwee eps. on tape... Have a 7 inch plastic TARDIS... a painting I did of Tom Baker as the 4 th Doctor...and he occasionally appears in stories that I write.
I bet you treasure the photo with you and Jon Pertwee! Sad that he died.. Could you post a pic of the photo???
Quote: Beardguy57 said: Thanks.. I thought it was fly paper till you told me that.
Yeah, I thought it was flypaper, too.
And, yeah, I think I like potatoe-Jo better. I wish we could put her and Tegan together in a pit, and force them to make out......then kill each other....
Quote: Beardguy57 said: Thanks.. I thought it was fly paper till you told me that.
Yeah, I thought it was flypaper, too.
And, yeah, I think I like potatoe-Jo better. I wish we couldput her and Tegan together in a pit, and force them tomake out......then kill each other....
Yeah but you'd actually need a TARDIS to go back in time 35 and 25 years ago, respectively, to do that, as both women have had time to age since their time as assistants!
Here is a question- WHO do you all think was the hottest looking assistant that the Doctor had? I cannot make a poll of this, as I do not know all their names........
Season two starts on the 29th at eight. They will show some of season one starting at eight AM. I could have sworn they were going to show the first half of season one this friday and the second half next friday but the schedule says it isn't.
Yeah, Jacks....you may either want to go ahead and rent Season One ASAP, or, watch what you can on Sci-Fi's marathon. You don't have to have seen Season One to watch Season Two....but, it'll make a boatload more sense to you, if you do...
Well I have watched the first disc, and I have found Eccleston to be passable as the Doctor. Still not a patch on THE Baker or Tennant in my eyes!
Bit pissed off that there was no regeneration scene!
Watching an interview Eccleston did on a tv show (in the bonus features), I got the belief that this was just a means to an end for him, and he had absolutely no intention of sticking round from the offset. The fact he was never a fan, also speaks volumes about his commitment to the project.
As said earlier, Davies brough him in for the one series only. Eccleston was supposed to be the short-lived Doctor to give the audience the understanding of the concept of regeneration as well as a feeling that the show could change at any moment.
Quote: thedoctor said: As said earlier, Davies brough him in for the one series only. Eccleston was supposed to be the short-lived Doctor to give the audience the understanding of the concept of regeneration as well as a feeling that the show could change at any moment.
Thats not how Eccleston put it in the interview. He gave indication it might go beyond one series, but he would not confirm one way or another! I definetley got the feeling there was a possibility of him staying on, but it was very dependant on what he had going on outside the project.
That's because it was all supposed to be a secret until the BBC later leaked the info. They first said that Eccleston didn't want to be typecast. After a big fan backlash against him, they came out and admitted that he was only supposed to do one series. Why do you think Tennant did the narration for the Doctor Who Confidential before the premier?
But, really, I think that interview was done before the news about him leaving was linked. I think he was deliberately misleading the media at that point to make the series finale have more punch.
Thinking about it, that still doesnt mean it was decided before the series started. The Confidential episode was probably recorded after the series was filmed, and according to http://www.gallifreyone.com/epguide-dw9.php , Eccleston decided half way through the series filming, so it would have made sense that while filming, they signed Tennant, then asked him to voice the Confidential show!
Ok, I just finished watching the first series (I fucking hate calling it that, but I'll go with the flow), and these are my opinions.
Eccleston was a lot better than I expected. Billie Piper is hot and not annoying. Captain Jack was a good adition to the cast. Didnt like the fact nearly every episode was on Earth. The humour throughout the series was well played, without it becoming a comedy. The villains for the most part, were good. I now look forward to the pre-ordered series 2 (I actually pre-ordered it before I bought this series).
Now as a quick aside, we have Torchwood coming as a spin off, but wouldnt a Captain Jack spin off be pretty cool? (unless of course he is dead or something)
Quote: Nowhereman said: Eccleston was a lot better than I expected. Billie Piper is hot and not annoying. Captain Jack was a good adition to the cast. Didnt like the fact nearly every episode was on Earth. The humour throughout the series was well played, without it becoming a comedy. The villains for the most part, were good.
Agree with all of this. See? I told you Eccleston was cool. He played the "dark" Doctor....the tortured, guilt-ridden, lonely god. Detached, but never dismayed. Such a sad man, yet, full of unbridled glee. Man, I miss him.
What did you think about the WWII two-parter? I think that was my favorite story of the entire season.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Quote: Now as a quick aside, we have Torchwood coming as a spin off, but wouldnt a Captain Jack spin off be pretty cool? (unless of course he is dead or something)
Captain Jack is in Torchwood. That's not a spoiler, mind you, as it's been heavily advertised...
Doctor Who has been named TV's longest-running sci-fi show, after 43 years and 723 episodes, according to the Guinness Book of Records.
"This achievement is all thanks to the remarkable production team who first created Doctor Who," said Russell T Davies, who penned the TV revival.
He also thanked the audience "who have kept it alive for all these years".
The series began on 23 November, 1963, and was revived in 2005 after 16 years off the screen.
William Hartnell played the original Doctor Who, with Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker and Peter Davison among those following in his footsteps.
Christopher Eccleston took up the mantle of the ninth Timelord last year - following the show's relaunch. He was replaced after just one series by David Tennant after Eccleston dropped out.
Guinness World Records editor, Craig Glenday, added: "This is a proud day for Doctor fans everywhere."
US series Stargate SG-1, now in its 10th series, holds the world record for "longest-running science fiction show (consecutive)".
It launched in 1997 and has run for 203 episodes without a break. Hit US series The X Files previously held the record, notching up 202 episodes.
I've been watching this little marathon on sci-fi and the new dr who is just plain stupid....anyone that ever..ever makes fun of anything I like--ever again can just stfu if you actually like this new shit show..
Come on! You're saying you can watch that silly-ass Japanimation Titans Yo-Go! or whatever...like things like Smallville....and yet, can't accept British science fiction? That's....that's just sad...
Quote: Prometheus said: Come on! You're saying you can watch that silly-ass Japanimation Titans Yo-Go! or whatever...like things like Smallville....and yet, can't accept British science fiction? That's....that's just sad...
No, I like the other who stuff..this just seems dumb--i watched 3 episodes and am watching a fourth...
Yeah, I would say just watch all of Season One, and see if it sits with you. Of course, the thing with Who is this: Change. It's always changing, always evolving. Even the main character changes sometimes (as you saw). Each episode is different. Sometimes it's cheesy, sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's scary, sometimes it's pure sci-fi, and sometimes it's a bit of everything and more. The versatility of the concept allows pretty much every type of story can be told. So, give it a fair shot...
Just a heads up that Dr. Who toys are available for pre-order at cornerstore comics & presumably other internet stores as well. I couldn't resist & picked up the Tardis playset plus some figs.
Planet of Giants Returning to Earth, the crew find themselves trapped in a jungle with monstrous creatures pursuing them. Soon they realise that they have become miniaturised and are indeed on Earth. In their miniature state, they discover dangerous experiments with a totally lethal insecticide are being performed but they seem powerless to stop them.
The Dalek Invasion of Earth The Doctor and his companions arrive on Earth of the near future only to find it has been invaded by the Daleks who have turned the human race into slaves. What is the purpose behind the enormous mining project the Daleks are undertaking? Can the Doctor and his companions help the human resistance movement to foil the Daleks plans?
The Rescue The Doctor, Ian and Barbara arrive on the planet Dido in the 25th century, where they find a crashed space craft in which two survivors wait for a rescue ship from Earth. The female survivor, Vicki is instantly friendly, unlike her paralysed companion, Bennett, who remains a mystery.
The Romans The Doctor and his companions take a holiday at a villa just outside Rome in 64 AD. While he and Vicki visit Rome, Ian and Barbara are captured and taken as slaves; Ian is sold as a galley slave, and Barbara to Nero's court. The Doctor is mistaken as an enemy of Nero's and is taken to the Emperors palace.
The Web Planet The TARDIS is pulled to the planet Vortis, where the butterfly-like Menoptera are fighting to regain their home from the evil force that has taken control of the ant-like Zarbi and used them to seize the planet. Can the Doctor and his companions free the planet...
The Crusade The TARDIS arrives in 12th century Palestine and rapidly uncover a plan by the Saracen leader, Emir El Akir, to ambush Richard the Lionheart. King Richard has is own plans which rely on his sister Joanna marrying the Emir, something she is most definitely not prepared to accept.
The Space Museum The Doctor and his companions arrive on a planet which houses an all but forgotten museum. While touring it, they are horrified to discover that they themselves are exhibits in one of the cases. Can they avoid become just an exhibit in a museum?
The Chase The Doctor detects another time machine following his TARDIS and they try and shake it off. It soon becomes apparent that their pursuers are none other than the dreaded Daleks.
The Time Meddler Arriving at a remote spot on the English coast in 1066, the Doctor and his companions are astounded to find a modern wristwatch and tape recorder. What is the connection between the mysterious monk and the Viking spies?
Yeah, I agree. Still, I guess you could look at it depending on his regeneration. As we've seen, The Master went from "diabolical" to "driven by revenge" to "downright insane". So, it's possible this earlier life could have been less "evil", in its own right. Of course, if he'd been trapped on Earth for a few hundred years, it might be alot of why he hates The Doctor.
But, that's all speculation. It might be just better to use the Monk as a completely seperate foe. A little diversity, and all that...
Planet of Giants Returning to Earth, the crew find themselves trapped in a jungle with monstrous creatures pursuing them. Soon they realise that they have become miniaturised and are indeed on Earth. In their miniature state, they discover dangerous experiments with a totally lethal insecticide are being performed but they seem powerless to stop them.
The Dalek Invasion of Earth The Doctor and his companions arrive on Earth of the near future only to find it has been invaded by the Daleks who have turned the human race into slaves. What is the purpose behind the enormous mining project the Daleks are undertaking? Can the Doctor and his companions help the human resistance movement to foil the Daleks plans?
The Rescue The Doctor, Ian and Barbara arrive on the planet Dido in the 25th century, where they find a crashed space craft in which two survivors wait for a rescue ship from Earth. The female survivor, Vicki is instantly friendly, unlike her paralysed companion, Bennett, who remains a mystery.
The Romans The Doctor and his companions take a holiday at a villa just outside Rome in 64 AD. While he and Vicki visit Rome, Ian and Barbara are captured and taken as slaves; Ian is sold as a galley slave, and Barbara to Nero's court. The Doctor is mistaken as an enemy of Nero's and is taken to the Emperors palace.
The Web Planet The TARDIS is pulled to the planet Vortis, where the butterfly-like Menoptera are fighting to regain their home from the evil force that has taken control of the ant-like Zarbi and used them to seize the planet. Can the Doctor and his companions free the planet...
The Crusade The TARDIS arrives in 12th century Palestine and rapidly uncover a plan by the Saracen leader, Emir El Akir, to ambush Richard the Lionheart. King Richard has is own plans which rely on his sister Joanna marrying the Emir, something she is most definitely not prepared to accept.
The Space Museum The Doctor and his companions arrive on a planet which houses an all but forgotten museum. While touring it, they are horrified to discover that they themselves are exhibits in one of the cases. Can they avoid become just an exhibit in a museum? The Chase The Doctor detects another time machine following his TARDIS and they try and shake it off. It soon becomes apparent that their pursuers are none other than the dreaded Daleks.
The Time Meddler Arriving at a remote spot on the English coast in 1066, the Doctor and his companions are astounded to find a modern wristwatch and tape recorder. What is the connection between the mysterious monk and the Viking spies?
I taped all these episodes many years ago off of PBS, and also An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, and The Keys Of Marinus.... all terrific epiodes!
Ok, so I watched "The Satan Pit" last night on Sci Fi. Great premise. Very cool designs and FX. But the ending was completely predictable. Very mundane and average writing.
And speaking of mundane, Tennant was just kind of there. He really didn't do anything to stand out or make himself feel like "The Doctor." A few of his lines seemed like they were written with Eccleston in mind, and he could've pulled this off where Tennant didn't. I don't think I'll be along for season three. Wake me when there's a new regeneration.
Man, I just checked my own intertron sources, and find that I'll need about 3+ gigs to get this bad boy. And, being that the only computer I have is an old laptop with only about 3.49 gigs of space left, I think it might be time to invest in an external drive. Must! Make! Room! Troughton! Cybermen! UNIT! WHO!
Pro, old bean, the new comp has 160 Gig hard drive and a DVD-R. Just give me the links to all the shit you want, and I'll download and burn them for ya.
Season 2, Davies, and Tennant have lost me. I half watched last week's show with that Absorbaloff thing and it was just silly. Wake me when there's a new regeneration.
Actually, while the concept of the episode was solid, the Absorbaloff thing was something different. They had a contest in the UK for kids to design their own monster. The winner would have theirs created and used for an episode. The Absorbaloff was created by a 9-year-old. So, if that's the extent of the silliness, I'm okay with letting it slide. I was nine, once, and loved some Who. I bet that kid is loving it.
Either way, the episode tonight does suck. In fact, it's the worst episode of the season. However, the two-parter next week is the season finale. Watch it. It rocks...
I didn't watch it cuz I was getting drunk and sending PJP txt messages.
But a lot of it has to do with Tennant as well. He is NOT grabbing me. He has no emotional range and he looks and sounds like a fifteen year old. It's like someone took all the worst aspects of Davison and amped them up in this guy.
I never cared much for Peter Davison; he was all wrong for the role, and I kept expecting him to ask if anyone on any planet he landed on had a sick cat, dog, or horse he could attend to!
I wasn't a big Davison fan either. Doc and I were talking the other day about how Tennant following Eccleston weirdly parallels Davison following Baker.
Yeah, that's no surprise, really. Tennant has stated numerous times that his Doctor when he was growing up was Davison. Hell, he even wears the tennis shoes, as such. Davison even visited the set of The Christmas Invasion to wish him good luck.
As far as the whole weaker aspect, I certainly understand that. It's hard to accept such drastic change between Doctors. Davison was a great Doctor. However, when you set him up against Baker, he'll always appear weaker. Same with Tennant and Eccleston.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not that super-keen on Tennant, myself. He plays the part in ways that I've never enjoyed from other incarnations. However, as with all Docs, I can't say that he's "bad". He's just different. Coming right after Eccleston...and with Chris leaving us still wanting more....it's almost impossible for ANYone to compare.
I, too, look forward to future Docs. Still, it doesn't keep me from enjoying most of the episodes, and the Doc himself.
Again, I implore you, watch the two-part season finale. It's worth it for many reasons, if nothing else to see Tennant's emotional range expand a bit. Thinks get dark...
Yeah, I have seen pics of actors, musicians, etc, who have aged quickly due to...comsuming large quantities... look at Keith Richards., he looks about 80!
He was so very young looking on the covers of the early Rolling Stones lps.
So, Pro, apparently everyone in my household (and the neighbors that my brother hangs out with) is watching the show. Except for me, who keeps on forgetting what time the show is on. D'oh.
And of course, my mother thinks I must be a long-time fan, but I'm completely unable to answer any of her questions.
"So, why is there a new doctor?" "Um, I think every time he dies he gets a new body." "So is he an alien?" "I think so..." "So why is he traveling in a phone booth?" "Ooh Ooh I know this one! It's not a phone booth, it's a 19th century mini-prison box. Something about it getting stuck in that time period." "So who are all these other people?" "Hmm, I never really thought of that..."
You know, I did see that when it aired, and I laughed out loud because I did get it...
CJ, CJ, CJ... Am I going to have to take you through "Who 101" again?
Seriously though, the two-hour season finale airs this Friday night on Sci-Fi. Preceeding it, though, is a marathon of the season itself. Honestly, if you haven't watched it at all, go ahead and Netflix/rent Season One first. Not only will it introduce the concept in an easier fashion, but, by all accounts, Chris Eccleston (9th Doctor) is a fucking gem in the role. He really sets the tone for the series. And, the second season is a bit weaker by comparison...
Troughton was one of three actors that wasn't typecast by the role of The Doctor (Davison and McGann being the other two). He is infamously known for being mostly-drunk during every known interview he gave. I've seen one of them. He's fucking hilarious, throwing mints at the cameramen and playing around with his clip-mic (purposefully breathing heavily into it during questions). It's always been theorized that if he had played the role as himself, his Doc would have been "Tom Baker" about a decade early...
Patrick Troughton was in one of those old 60's movies, too..I think he was in Jason and The Argonauts.. playing a blind guy who was being held captive by these flying demons, who wouldn't let him eat. It was a bit part, but he did an excellent job.. I agree : Had he been allowed to have been himself, he'd have been as fun a Doctor as Tom's Doctor was.
I've basically given up on this show. Tennant is boring and annoys me. I never did care for Rose that much and her alone isn't reason to watch it. The episodes so this season have been horrible to ok. I'm gonna see about getting some of the older Doctor Who seasons before watching anymore of the new.
Quote: rex said: I've basically given up on this show. Tennant is boring and annoys me. I never did care for Rose that much and her alone isn't reason to watch it. The episodes so this season have been horrible to ok. I'm gonna see about getting some of the older Doctor Who seasons before watching anymore of the new.
Fair enough. Although, I recommend at least checking out the two-hour finale this Friday. Lots of changes. But, yeah, Season 2 was mediocre. The Brits looooove Tennant, though. Don't know why. They're apeshit over him, and prefer him to Eccleston. Crazy. Anyway, here's hoping for Season 3.
And, btw...if you're going for older Who, try Tom Baker (4th Doctor) stuff. He's considered the best of the older run...
I liked the Doctor's quote about the Daleks in the season finale "See, you’re inside your casing. Not feeling anything. Ever. From birth to death locked inside a cold metal cage. Completely alone. That explains your voice. No wonder you scream."
Thought that was cool and I enjoyed the two parter. Too bad Sci-fi ruined the "surprise" though.
Just watched the christmas episode. Missed the first 20 mins, so not 100% sure what happened to Rose (I think she died). New companion doesnt appear yet either.
Apparently there is a Torchwood special on New Years day as well.
At the end of the preview they showed at the end of tonights show, there was a totally black Dalek! I wonder if it steals cars, pimps female Daleks & does drugs?
So any reviews of the Runaway Bride? Spoil me pleeeease!
BTW received some of the new Doctor Who toys. Like the Rose figure from season 2 with K-9. All of them are pretty spiffy though. The 9th Doctor & first season Rose are stuck in preposes though. The werewolf from season 1 is really huge. Character Options has done a nice job with selection. Beyond the big name bad guys (Cybermen & Daleks) they've also done many of the other villians in the series. Not sure if I mentioned it previously but I've seen preorders for the plastic mannequins from the first episode & also a clock work man. Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the Tardis set in the near future to display them all with.
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: So any reviews of the Runaway Bride? Spoil me pleeeease!
BTW received some of the new Doctor Who toys. Like the Rose figure from season 2 with K-9. All of them are pretty spiffy though. The 9th Doctor & first season Rose are stuck in preposes though. The werewolf from season 1 is really huge. Character Options has done a nice job with selection. Beyond the big name bad guys (Cybermen & Daleks) they've also done many of the other villians in the series. Not sure if I mentioned it previously but I've seen preorders for the plastic mannequins from the first episode & also a clock work man. Hopefully I'll be able to pick up the Tardis set in the near future to display them all with.
My Review of the Runaway bride is as follows.
The Episode would have been fucking great if Russel T Davies didn't write it. If I have to listen to one more Script from him where he has the Docotr practically jerking off about the wonders of Humans i am going to vomit.
The Premise of the episode was pretty good, He does get a little to emotional about the whole Rose thing throught the episode. But again Suspect that just is Ruseel T Davies injecting to much estrogen laced dialog as is his custom. I look for to Season 29 being written by mostly other people other then Russel T Davies.
Thanks. I just watched it myself. I totally loved it but then I guess I've also liked other episodes that you guys tend to not care for so much. The villian dialogue seemed a little cheesy but otherwise it was a thoroughly enjoyable episode.
I've got to say, compared to last year's Christmas Invasion, this blew it out of the water. It wasn't the best Who, old or new. But, it kept up its end of the bargain by keeping me entertained.
And, it's well obvious that Tennant is really starting to hit his stride as Doc 10. He seemed worlds more comfortable in this one episode than in most of last season. I especially enjoyed the hint of the damaged/dark alien lurking beneath the school-boy exterior. Nicely played.
As an American, I have no idea who Catherine Tate is outside of this show. Therefore, I really dug her. "Donna" was the most UN-annoying throwback to the Tegan Jovanka era of loud, brash, bat-shit-crazy companions. Not to mention, she was genuinely funny in places and delivery ("Santa's a robot!"). So, all in all, bravo to that chick. She did it for me. And, much to her credit, not once did I miss Billie/Rose.
CONS:
Davies, as BK said, stop circle-jerking to the human race. We're neat. We're amazing. We're tenacious. We get it. Move on.
TARDIS, you are an amazing machine. Stop now. Don't get too amazing, or you might tread on becoming amazingly ridiculous. Science Fiction can only bend so far until the science becomes magic, and the fiction becomes nonsense. Davies, modern children are much smarter in the age of computers and iPods. When even they start calling bullshit, you know you've gone too far into silly.
Kids "cheering" the Doctor on. Once again, kids=generally intelligent. They don't need to be told which part to root for their hero. And the adults watching want to avoid becoming spontaneously diabetic. Easy on the naval-gazing and back-patting with those moments.
Aliens drilled to the center of the Earth.
Take a moment.
Aliens drilled to the center of the fucking p l a n e t.
Davies, thumbs up on dialogue and ideas. But, for the love of Pertwee, hand off the scientific explanations and concepts to someone who's graduated High School, okay?
The center. Planet. Big hole.
.....................right.
Was the alien spastic, orgasmic, or just being played by a blind actress? She swayed more than Stevie Wonder in an earthquake.
So, overall, Doctor Who: The Runaway Bride : B-
Nowhere near a "classic", yet, leaps and bounds over last year's invasion of the cheese. And, yes, I know what Doc 10 would say here:
"That's impossible!!"
No, Davies, you overdramatic twat. It's not impossible. Merely improbable. Fuck, buy a thesaurus...
I have no problem with "That's impossible" as a tag line; as I see it, not everything that Eccleston saw as the Doctor fit the definition of "fantastic".
Having just watched the two-parter that introduces Capt. Jack (The Doctor Dances and... the... other episode before it), I've come to the conclusion that they need to give Moffat more control over the show, perhaps making him co-executive producer with Davies. Those two episodes, and this season's "Girl in the Fireplace" were off the hook.
Quote: King Snarf said: I have no problem with "That's impossible" as a tag line; as I see it, not everything that Eccleston saw as the Doctor fit the definition of "fantastic".
Having just watched the two-parter that introduces Capt. Jack (The Doctor Dances and... the... other episode before it), I've come to the conclusion that they need to give Moffat more control over the show, perhaps making him co-executive producer with Davies. Those two episodes, and this season's "Girl in the Fireplace" were off the hook.
Yeah, it seems to be universal consensus that Stephen Moffat more than deserves to take control of that series. The problem is, even if/when RTD leaves, I doubt the BBC could offer Moffat the right kind of deal to do it. He creates shows for the BBC all the time. He's the "It" man. He even created "Coupling", which is the UK show that "FRIENDS" was based from. So, you know, it's a sincere longshot that he would constrain himself to writing and making one show. But, FUCK, it would be exactly what this series needs. He's the modern Douglas Adams...
As an American, I have no idea who Catherine Tate is outside of this show. Therefore, I really dug her. "Donna" was the most UN-annoying throwback to the Tegan Jovanka era of loud, brash, bat-shit-crazy companions. Not to mention, she was genuinely funny in places and delivery ("Santa's a robot!"). So, all in all, bravo to that chick. She did it for me. And, much to her credit, not once did I miss Billie/Rose.[/LIST]
I dug around for reviews before I got the chance to see it. Apparently Tate is a big star over there but isn't "loved". I liked her to and never really cared for the Tegan types myself. She was a fun character & hope we see her again in the show.
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CONS:
Davies, as BK said, stop circle-jerking to the human race. We're neat. We're amazing. We're tenacious. We get it. Move on.
TARDIS, you are an amazing machine. Stop now. Don't get too amazing, or you might tread on becoming amazingly ridiculous. Science Fiction can only bend so far until the science becomes magic, and the fiction becomes nonsense. Davies, modern children are much smarter in the age of computers and iPods. When even they start calling bullshit, you know you've gone too far into silly.
Kids "cheering" the Doctor on. Once again, kids=generally intelligent. They don't need to be told which part to root for their hero. And the adults watching want to avoid becoming spontaneously diabetic. Easy on the naval-gazing and back-patting with those moments.
Aliens drilled to the center of the Earth.
Take a moment.
Aliens drilled to the center of the fucking p l a n e t.
Davies, thumbs up on dialogue and ideas. But, for the love of Pertwee, hand off the scientific explanations and concepts to someone who's graduated High School, okay?
The center. Planet. Big hole.
.....................right.
Was the alien spastic, orgasmic, or just being played by a blind actress? She swayed more than Stevie Wonder in an earthquake.
So, overall, Doctor Who: The Runaway Bride : B-
Nowhere near a "classic", yet, leaps and bounds over last year's invasion of the cheese. And, yes, I know what Doc 10 would say here:
"That's impossible!!"
No, Davies, you overdramatic twat. It's not impossible. Merely improbable. Fuck, buy a thesaurus...
I agree with your cons except I did enjoy the kids cheering the doc. It just emphasized the moment for me.
Quote: John Barrowman and partner tie the knot John Barrowman, the star of Doctor Who spin-off Torchwood, today tied the knot in a civil partnership with his long term partner. Mr Barrowman, 39, and British architect Scott Gill held the ceremony at the luxury five-star St David's Hotel and Spa in Cardiff Bay. Scottish born Barrowman plays Captain Jack Harkness in the hit BBC science fiction show Torchwood. The programme, set in Cardiff, is aimed at a more adult audience than BBC 1 family favourite Dr Who. Around 40 people attended the private ceremony at function room in the hotel. Susan Anderson, Marketing Manager at the hotel said: "It was a lovely ceremony, it went very well. "It was private event and attended by family and friends only - the couple seemed very happy." The St David's Hotel and Spa claims to be "The most prestigious five star hotel in Wales." Barrowman, who was raised in Illinois in the United States, has previously appeared in entertainment shows Live and Kicking and How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria? He is currently appearing in pantomime in Cardiff where he is playing Jack in a production of Jack and the Beanstalk. Speaking about the civil partnership Barrowman previously told the BBC: "Our relationship was legitimate for us a long time ago. "We have been spending most of our time together. The ceremony is because we have the right to be recognised as a couple. "It forces people who don't want to recognise same-sex relationships as legitimate, it forces them to do so." Since December 2005, gay couples have had the right to form a civil partnership; a public and legal recognition of their commitment to each other. ...
I didn't know he was really gay. I thought the whole gay angle he was going for in Doctor Who was supposed to be a play on Tom Cruise, who I think looks just like him.
Quote: Pig Iron said: I never knew Billie piper did this?????
My sister got the single for this (the video clip was incorporated as an extra)
If I knew that Billie would one day star in my all time favourite TV show, I would have kept the comments about the video clip being a vivid LSD trip to myself ...
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, that's no surprise, really. Tennant has stated numerous times that his Doctor when he was growing up was Davison. Hell, he even wears the tennis shoes, as such. Davison even visited the set of The Christmas Invasion to wish him good luck.
As far as the whole weaker aspect, I certainly understand that. It's hard to accept such drastic change between Doctors. Davison was a great Doctor. However, when you set him up against Baker, he'll always appear weaker. Same with Tennant and Eccleston.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not that super-keen on Tennant, myself. He plays the part in ways that I've never enjoyed from other incarnations. However, as with all Docs, I can't say that he's "bad". He's just different. Coming right after Eccleston...and with Chris leaving us still wanting more....it's almost impossible for ANYone to compare.
I, too, look forward to future Docs. Still, it doesn't keep me from enjoying most of the episodes, and the Doc himself.
Again, I implore you, watch the two-part season finale. It's worth it for many reasons, if nothing else to see Tennant's emotional range expand a bit. Thinks get dark...
You know, it had a lot of potential. An EPIC setup and Davies pisses it all away with the same pedestrian by the numbers execution. Tennant's Doctor is so all knowing and blithely strides through everything so that you just wonder why anyone feels there's ever any real danger at all.
I loved the first meeting of the Cybermen and the Daleks, but the whole fanboy "see the Daleks are so much superior to the Cybermen" just kills any real suspense. I was hoping for an EPIC battle here and the show completely fails to deliver on the promise.
Plus, how many times can Davies go back to the well of pulling Daleks out of his arse? I admit, this was a clever one, but how many more times will they be "destroyed for good?" only to unexpectedly reappear?
Mickie's evolution was ok, but I would've probably gotten more out of it if I'd seen more of the season.
Rose's dad showed more emotion in one episode than I've seen out of Tennant in the five that I've seen. Reminded me of Bruce Willis for some reason. He was cool.
I doubt I'll stick around for the next season. The things that really grabbed me during the Eccleston run are pretty much gone.
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, that's no surprise, really. Tennant has stated numerous times that his Doctor when he was growing up was Davison. Hell, he even wears the tennis shoes, as such. Davison even visited the set of The Christmas Invasion to wish him good luck.
As far as the whole weaker aspect, I certainly understand that. It's hard to accept such drastic change between Doctors. Davison was a great Doctor. However, when you set him up against Baker, he'll always appear weaker. Same with Tennant and Eccleston.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not that super-keen on Tennant, myself. He plays the part in ways that I've never enjoyed from other incarnations. However, as with all Docs, I can't say that he's "bad". He's just different. Coming right after Eccleston...and with Chris leaving us still wanting more....it's almost impossible for ANYone to compare.
I, too, look forward to future Docs. Still, it doesn't keep me from enjoying most of the episodes, and the Doc himself.
Again, I implore you, watch the two-part season finale. It's worth it for many reasons, if nothing else to see Tennant's emotional range expand a bit. Thinks get dark...
You know, it had a lot of potential. An EPIC setup and Davies pisses it all away with the same pedestrian by the numbers execution. Tennant's Doctor is so all knowing and blithely strides through everything so that you just wonder why anyone feels there's ever any real danger at all.
I loved the first meeting of the Cybermen and the Daleks, but the whole fanboy "see the Daleks are so much superior to the Cybermen" just kills any real suspense. I was hoping for an EPIC battle here and the show completely fails to deliver on the promise.
Plus, how many times can Davies go back to the well of pulling Daleks out of his arse? I admit, this was a clever one, but how many more times will they be "destroyed for good?" only to unexpectedly reappear?
Mickie's evolution was ok, but I would've probably gotten more out of it if I'd seen more of the season.
Rose's dad showed more emotion in one episode than I've seen out of Tennant in the five that I've seen. Reminded me of Bruce Willis for some reason. He was cool.
I doubt I'll stick around for the next season. The things that really grabbed me during the Eccleston run are pretty much gone.
Essentially Grimm, Cross, and my drunken conversation the other night. Tennant's too "I've got that solved" as the Doctor. There really is no fighting for it. Davies is just coming off as a fanboy bringing his Doctor Who fan fiction to life. Other writers have done a lot more for Tennant than Davies has as far as giving his Doctor range. Too much know-it-all, too much TARDIS as a plot device to fix shit, and spending too much time close to home (Earth).
The Earth thing isnt a fault you can aim soley at Tennants run though. I had the same issue with Ecclestons run.
Back in the day, Baker et al would rarely spend any time on Earth, or in the current era, but since the revamp, both Eccleston & Tennant spend nearly every episode on Earth or in a reletively similar time period!
Personally I like Tennant for all the reasons you guys dislike him! I like the fact he is more knowledgeable or cocky (depends on how you look at it). I also like the fact that he has a really dark side, and seems more inclined to kill than any other Doctor, something that if the writers had any sense, could lead to a future possible dark regeneration or even be how Tennant ends his run!
Quote: Nowhereman said: The Earth thing isnt a fault you can aim soley at Tennants run though. I had the same issue with Ecclestons run.
Back in the day, Baker et al would rarely spend any time on Earth, or in the current era, but since the revamp, both Eccleston & Tennant spend nearly every episode on Earth or in a reletively similar time period!
I let it go for Eccleston's run because Davies said he wanted to slowly get people used to the idea. It was the second season. Time to jump out there more. Maybe with the Rose stuff put away now, he will.
Also, this is pretty much the same reason I'm not a fan of Pertwee's era. Nothing against the man or his performance, I just don't like a Doctor bound to the Earth.
Quote: Nowhereman said: Personally I like Tennant for all the reasons you guys dislike him! I like the fact he is more knowledgeable or cocky (depends on how you look at it). I also like the fact that he has a really dark side, and seems more inclined to kill than any other Doctor, something that if the writers had any sense, could lead to a future possible dark regeneration or even be how Tennant ends his run!
I don't mind cocky. Colin Baker's Doctor was cocky, and it got him into all kinds of trouble. Tom Baker's Doctor was very egotistical and also led to him missing important clues or coming to the wrong conclusions. If Tennant was wrong a little more often, I'd be cool with it. And I, too, like the darker aspect of Tennant's Doctor since it was shown in the first Christmas Special. I just don't think Davies uses it enough. Other writers have explored that aspect and his willingness to take chances better as was shown in The Girl in the Fireplace and The Satan Pit.
Agreed that Davies is the worst writer for the series. That much has universally been established. If only Moffat could take the reigns.
As for the Earth thing, I agree...as do a lot of fans these days. Davies needs to get over his fear of getting out there. He stated in the beginning that he was fearful of not having enough SFX budget to convincingly convey alien environments. And while that may be true in comparison to movies, he needs to get a clue. This is tv, and I doubt anyone expects Lucas-level vistas. He needs to venture out there more and more. One of the reasons I love The Impossible Planet was because it was essentially as much of an alien planet that he's allowed the show. We need more, otherwise it gets ridiculous.
As for Tennant, I'm still mixed on him. My biggest gripe isn't that he figures things out too quickly. I understand they have to rush shit because it's an hour-long format. My biggest complaint is the damn sonic screwdriver. I don't know what The Doctor used to create this new version of it (since the original was destroyed back in Davison's era), but it must be made of "Beyonder" particles. The thing does fucking everything. It's ceased to be an accessory, and become a plot-prop to get him out of every situations, and accomplish every feat needed....if only because Davies hates "technobabble" and fake science. I hate to break it to him, but, the sonic screwdriver has gone far beyond the things he hates, and has become fucking magic. It's really getting ludicrous.
Tennant himself, and the 10th Doctor, really seem to shine under other writers. Not to mention, his first season didn't exactly have the strongest scripts. I've heard rumors that alot of the scripts were written for Eccleston's Doc before they knew he was leaving. You can detect this in some of the dialogue. Tennant seemed to be saddled with doing Eccleston dialogue, while converting it to try and fit his Doctor.
Finally, Rose with Tennant never worked for me. Davies was trying to hold on to the magic and chemistry Eccles and Piper had. It didn't work, and that was obvious. Now that I've seen The Runaway Bride, with no Piper, and Tennant finally given the chance to be his Doctor, I have found a glimmer of hope in his regeneration. Rose's departure has left the Doc reminded of how alone he is in the universe, and how alien he is compared to most every other human. Also, the aforementioned "dark side" is given voice and moment in this episode. Love it.
So, in the end, we'll see. I've never judged any Doctor on one season. To do so simply shows either severe impatience, or, an ignorance of the entire concept of how Who changes and evolves. Tennant will either grow and get better with this next season (and that's up to Davies, mainly), or, he won't and I'll just bide my time until we get a new incarnation. Simple as that...
Eccleston naturally had to be judged by one season. McGann I didn't judge as a "good" Doctor until I listened to a few of his audio adventures. I wish he could get more screentime for another televised episode...
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most people create one of themselves, or family and friends, but you have the ability to create them for famous characters or celebs or whatever.
Something is on its way from Mars - and it's heading straight for Earth... When the Doctor discovers that aliens have transported the Royal New Hope Hospital of London to the lunar surface he makes a new friend, Martha Jones - and comes face to face the armed might of Jadoon stormtroopers...
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Reggie Yates (Leo Jones), Trevor Laird (Clive Jones), Adjoa Andoh (Francine Jones), Gugu Mbatha-Raw (Tish Jones), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Directed by Charles Palmer Produced by Phil Collinson Executive Producers Russell T. Davies and Julie Gardner A BBC Wales production
TX: April 2007 @ 7.00 pm
Episode 2
'The Shakespeare Code' (Story Code 3B)
by Gareth Roberts
When the Doctor and Martha arrive in Tudor London, 1599, they join forces with William Shakespeare to stop the curse of three witches...
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Dean Lennox Kelly (William Shakespeare), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Directed by Charles Palmer Produced by Phil Collinson Executive Producers Russell T. Davies and Julie Gardner A BBC Wales production
TX: April 2007 @ 7.00 pm
Episode 3 (Story Code 3C)
by Russell T Davies
STORY TBA
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 4
'Daleks in Manhattan' (Story Code 3D)
by Helen Raynor
Part 1 of a 2-part story; the TARDIS takes the Doctor and Martha to 1930s New York, where they discover that they are not the only time travellers present - the Doctor's deadliest foes, the Daleks, are still very much alive, and are planning their most audacious scheme yet...
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Miranda Raison (TBC), Hugh Quarshie (TBC), Ryan Carnes (TBC), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 5
Episode 5 (Story Code 3E)
by Helen Raynor
Part 2 of a 2-part story; the TARDIS takes the Doctor and Martha to 1930s New York, where they discover that they are not the only time travellers present - the Doctor's deadliest foes, the Daleks, are still very much alive, and are planning their most audacious scheme yet...
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Miranda Raison (TBC), Hugh Quarshie (TBC), Ryan Carnes (TBC), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 6
'The Lazarus Experiment' (Story Code 3F)
by Stephen Greenhorn
The Doctor and Martha encounter the elderly Professor Lazarus, whose demonstration of his latest experiment turns back the clock and makes him a new man...
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Mark Gatiss (Professor Lazarus), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 7 (Story Code 3G)
by Chris Chibnall
TORY TBA
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 8 (Story Code 3H)
by Paul Cornell
Part 1 of a 2-part story; the Doctor decides to see what it means to be human... This one could suck
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Stevenson (Joan), Harry Lloyd (Jeremy Baines), Thomas Sangster (Tim Latimer), Tom Palmer (Hutchinson), Pip Torrens (Rocastle), Rebekah Staten (Jenny), Gerard Horan (Clark), Lauren Wilson (Lucy Cartwright), Matthew White (Phillips), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 9 The Family of Blood' (Story Code 3I)
by Paul Cornell
Part 2 of a 2-part story; the Doctor must deal with the repercussions of his decision to become human...
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Stevenson (Joan), Harry Lloyd (Jeremy Baines), Thomas Sangster (Tim Latimer), Tom Palmer (Hutchinson), Pip Torrens (Rocastle), Rebekah Staten (Jenny), Gerard Horan (Clark), Lauren Wilson (Lucy Cartwright), Matthew White (Phillips), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 10 (Story Code 3J)
by Stephen Moffat
STORY TBA
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), Ian Boldsworth (TBC), Richard Cant (TBC), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 11
'Utopia' (Story Code 3K)
by Russell T Davies
STORY TBA
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), John Barrowman (Captain Jack Harkness), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 12 (Story Code 3L)
by Russell T Davies
Part 1 of a 2-part story
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), John Barrowman (Captain Jack Harkness), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Episode 13 (Story Code 3M)
by Russell T Davies Part 2 of a 2-part story
David Tennant (The Doctor), Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones), John Barrowman (Captain Jack Harkness), REST OF GUEST CAST TBA
Yeah, he loves dominating the finales. I wish he would just hand them off to Moffat, because it's just going to be him trying to outdo the "FINALE OF HYPE" he seems to be repeating...
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, he loves dominating the finales. I wish he would just hand them off to Moffat, because it's just going to be him trying to outdo the "FINALE OF HYPE" he seems to be repeating...
He's a cunt.
See Pro. I said what you said but in only three words.
Doctor Who Producers Want Britney Spears To Play Sex-Crazed Alien Race
Britney SpearsBritney Spears will be offered the chance to play a group of sex-mad aliens on British Sci-Fi TV show Doctor Who.
Show writer Russell T. Davies is a massive fan of the pop princess and wants to take the series to Hollywood so Spears can make a spectacular cameo playing a cloned extra-terrestrial.
Davies says, "I'd love Britney to do it - it would be so much fun. "I'm not sure she'll come to Cardiff where the show is shot so I'm nagging the BBC to fund a Hollywood special."
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: So, hot guy I know turns out to be a Doctor Who fan. An old-school Dr. Who fan.
I've told you I liked Doctor Who for a long time. Why the sudden surprise?
Quote: Pro, I will be Netflixing this stuff very soon...
Season One of the new series? A+
Season Two? B+
Old school stuff? Hmmmm...it depends how drunk or high you are. Still, if he's into old school, then, try and get some of the ones with the actor Tom Baker as the Doctor. It won't be hard to find. He's the one with curly brown hair, and long-ass scarf.
Doctor Who Producers Want Britney Spears To Play Sex-Crazed Alien Race
Britney SpearsBritney Spears will be offered the chance to play a group of sex-mad aliens on British Sci-Fi TV show Doctor Who.
Show writer Russell T. Davies is a massive fan of the pop princess and wants to take the series to Hollywood so Spears can make a spectacular cameo playing a cloned extra-terrestrial.
Davies says, "I'd love Britney to do it - it would be so much fun. "I'm not sure she'll come to Cardiff where the show is shot so I'm nagging the BBC to fund a Hollywood special."
Meh. Don't believe a word of it. It's just the hype-machine trying to get some press...
For once, I'm going to have to agree with Rex. If it wasn't for The Satan Pit two parter, The Girl in the Fireplace, and School Reunion (or whatever the Sarah Jane one was called), I would have given this season an F.
Seven out of thirteen is pretty much half. So, I'm okay rating this a B or C season. It was nowhere near as bad as Sylvester McCoy's first season, and nowhere near as good as Eccleston's previous. Still, after this last Christmas Special, I still have high hopes for Season Three...
For once, I'm going to have to agree with Rex. If it wasn't for The Satan Pit two parter, The Girl in the Fireplace, and School Reunion (or whatever the Sarah Jane one was called), I would have given this season an F.
The Christmas Invasion and School reunion were the two best. I didn't care for The Girl in the Fireplace (I know, that was supposed to be the best one). I don't think I'll even give the new season a try. Tennant does nothing for me and Rose can't carry the show for me.
Yeah, her last episode was the end of this current season. The next season (3) debuts in the UK this Spring, and rumors are that Sci-Fi will have it here by summer.
My advice is this: Give season 3 a shot. Very few claim season 2 was as good as 1. With three, we'll know whether it's Tennant or the writing, or both. If you hate it, then walk away...
I was reading a newspaper the other day & rumours are that they are trying to get John Simm to play the part as The Master for the new series! I could actually see Simm as a good Doctor rather than The Master, but he is a good actor so he might pull it off if the rumours are true!
If you get a chance (if it aint available there, torrent it), check him out in the BBC tv show "Life on Mars" in which he plays a modern day police officer who finds himself stuck in the 70s.
Also, there is talk of what I assume is another timelord, called The Professor! By all accounts The Doctor thinks he is a nice guy, but discovers he is evil & a timelord when he sees him regenerate!
Strange thing is, its one series that I have been very interested in watching in the past, but somehow seemed to always miss it! I have heard nothing but good things about it as well!
Quote: Nowhereman said: I was reading a newspaper the other day & rumours are that they are trying to get John Simm to play the part as The Master for the new series! I could actually see Simm as a good Doctor rather than The Master, but he is a good actor so he might pull it off if the rumours are true!
If you get a chance (if it aint available there, torrent it), check him out in the BBC tv show "Life on Mars" in which he plays a modern day police officer who finds himself stuck in the 70s.
Also, there is talk of what I assume is another timelord, called The Professor! By all accounts The Doctor thinks he is a nice guy, but discovers he is evil & a timelord when he sees him regenerate!
Yeah, I've seen 'Life on Mars'. Pretty damn good. Nice concept, either way.
The Professor part is being played by Sir Derek Jacobi. Now, whether he's a Time Lord or not, I don't know.
As with that, and the whole Master business, isn't all this coming from The Sun? Are they really that reliable?
They are as reliable as any other rumour source! Some shit is reliable, some isnt!
To be honest, there would be no reason to make this up. Simm is a good actor, and reasonably popular but he hardly has the star power to make people say "Holy shit, its John Simm!" If they were to say it was gonna be someone like Jude Law or Ewan Magregor, then I might start to call it into question!
" Parting Of The Ways " was on BBC America tonight, I only happened to find it due to the fact that I am sick with bronchitis, am stuck in bed most of the day and night, and was channel flipping when I came upon the episode, almost from the beginning. It was awesome!
I won't give anything away, but the ending rocked!
Currently, I'm not really giving a shit about the new Who right now. Davies needs to go, or at least have less control over the show. Tennant I'm willing to give another shot. So far, though, he ain't burnin' up the TV screen as the Doctor. If he keeps up the way he's going, I'm going to have to file him next to Peter Cushing's performance and imagine all his episodes had Rowan Atkinson as the Doctor.
Tennant doesn't bother me, as much as he doesn't really affect me. Eccleston was so fucking powerful. Tennant feels like someone "trying" to play The Doctor. He's not terrible. But, I don't really synch into him, you know?
I'll stick with it, though. I stuck through the JNT/Colin's outfit years. I've stuck through Sylvester McCoy's first season, and Tom Baker's last. I took Peter Davison's active indecision on his character, Syl's umbrella and questionmark vest, and "Half-Human".
TENNANT SIGNS FOR THIRD RUN AS DOCTOR WHO Movie & Entertainment News provided by World Entertainment News Network (www.wenn.com) 2007-03-23 18:41:12 -
Scottish actor DAVID TENNANT has reportedly signed a $1.95 million (£1 million) deal to star in a third series of DOCTOR WHO. The actor replaced CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON as the time lord in the cult BBC show in 2005 in the second series of the rejuvenated programme. A TV source tells British newspaper Daily Mirror, "He's finished filming the third series and he's signed a contract to appear in the whole of the next series. "That will see him filming throughout 2008. It's brilliant for the show and the fans."
I recently stumbled across these MARVEL PREMIERE appearances of Doctor Who in issues 57-60.
Especially cool are the covers of the first two issues, the first by Walt Simonson, the second by Frank Miller/Terry Austin.
The interior art is by Dave Gibbons, reprinted from British magazines, circa 1979-1980.
I've always been partial to the Tom Baker portrayal of Doctor Who. And these were published in the era of (and have the likeness and portrayal of) Tom Baker.
Some other interesting movie appearances of Tom Baker:
Nicholas and Alexandra (1971), a superbly acted historical drama about the last Tsar of Russia, Nicholas II, as his country succumbs to the Bolsheviks. Tom Baker plays a decadent but politically skillful Rasputin.
Frankenstein, the True Story (1974), where he plays a ship's captain on a cross-Atlantic voyage by Victor Frankenstein.
I was thinking about how a modern, multi-Doc episode would actually work. To get a better idea of how they would sort of look now, I slapped this together:
Now I was really trying hard to crap on things before the episode even airs, but what the fuck is up with the Sontaurans that arn't fucking Sontaurans?
Why didn't they just bring back the Sontaurans? This is more of that Cybermen but not Cybermen bullshit.
Now I was really trying hard to crap on things before the episode even airs, but what the fuck is up with the Sontaurans that arn't fucking Sontaurans?
Why didn't they just bring back the Sontaurans? This is more of that Cybermen but not Cybermen bullshit.
Not sure. I'll have to wait and watch the episode. I think, though, they're bounty hunters. Nothing that you could even fit the Sontarans into, storywise. The outfits, though, had to be an homage of some kind.
But, you could be right. They might be playing the middle field and trying to entice, both older fans, and new ones...
Yeah, if you're not one for adapting and progression, then, Doctor Who certainly isn't the show for you. It's been going for over forty-years, and the only constant is the name of the main character, and the TARDIS. This last season wasn't the strongest. But, it certainly wasn't the worst...
I just got sick of how limited the show was. I was tired of Rose and her dad. I was tired of seeing season two trying to be season one. Tennant is not Eccleston. They are two different people. They might play the same character but Tennant should bring to the table what he can offer, not what he can rip off of Eccleston.
Yeah, I think I liked Tennant more in this episode than most of last season. And, as far as a RTD script went, I never caught a "cringe-worthy" moment.
Also, I think I'm going to like Martha better than Rose. She's hot, smart, and generally just cool.
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, I think I liked Tennant more in this episode than most of last season. And, as far as a RTD script went, I never caught a "cringe-worthy" moment.
Also, I think I'm going to like Martha better than Rose. She's hot, smart, and generally just cool.
9/10...
The only Cringe worthy moment I had was the whole thing with the radiation
Saw it & liked it of course. The Judoon are an interesting addition to the show. Jones didn't suck and I like her so far. Her family was also fun & I hope we see them off & on.
Quote: the G-man said: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like the producers are sort of cashing in on Harry Potter with the newest look for the Doctor?
I noticed that, too, G - Man...I half expect the doctor to start using a wand and saying stuff like " Expecto Patronum!"
Quote: the G-man said: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like the producers are sort of cashing in on Harry Potter with the newest look for the Doctor?
I thought of Daniel Radcliffe too after seeing Jaburg's frontpage. Who looks especially Potterish from that camera angle.
Quote: Balloon Knot said: I don't know about Jones, After all she is a Ni.......
Ah, butthole, still desperately seeking attention, I see.
Quote: the G-man said: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like the producers are sort of cashing in on Harry Potter with the newest look for the Doctor?
I thought of Daniel Radcliffe too after seeing Jaburg's frontpage. Who looks especially Potterish from that camera angle.
I think it's intentional at least for that picture. The Doctor has rarely if ever posed with his specs on the frontpage pic.
I've been catching up the past few days. Watched the Christmas special and first two eps. of the new season. I have to say that it is getting better. Tennet isn't being as much of a campy goofball he was last season. I do think the Special and season premier showed the main problem with Davies setting too many stories in contemporary London like he did the first two seasons. His invasions have been to big and frequent for people to ignore. Unless he makes a major change in how characters start perceiving the Doctor and other aliens, it's all a buncha crap.
The last ep. was ok. I do like how they brought in more of the mystery of the Doctor's origins by pointing out that that isn't his real name and has no power over him. But I don't like the whole concept of trying to equate magic with science. Never have. Never will. I also wasn't a fan of spouting off Shakespeare lines that haven't been written yet so Will can say, "I might use that." It's cliche and been done to death. Also, the ep. had a pretty gay feeling to it. I dunno. Hopefully this is the worst they have to offer this season, and the show gets better.
Quote: thedoctor said: I've been catching up the past few days. Watched the Christmas special and first two eps. of the new season. I have to say that it is getting better. Tennet isn't being as much of a campy goofball he was last season. I do think the Special and season premier showed the main problem with Davies setting too many stories in contemporary London like he did the first two seasons. His invasions have been to big and frequent for people to ignore. Unless he makes a major change in how characters start perceiving the Doctor and other aliens, it's all a buncha crap.
The last ep. was ok. I do like how they brought in more of the mystery of the Doctor's origins by pointing out that that isn't his real name and has no power over him. But I don't like the whole concept of trying to equate magic with science. Never have. Never will. I also wasn't a fan of spouting off Shakespeare lines that haven't been written yet so Will can say, "I might use that." It's cliche and been done to death. Also, the ep. had a pretty gay feeling to it. I dunno. Hopefully this is the worst they have to offer this season, and the show gets better.
His real name (perhaps) came up in "The Horns Of Nimron". The Doctor runs into a timelord in the undergrond cavens who calls him by a diffrent name.
Quote: thedoctor said: But I don't like the whole concept of trying to equate magic with science. Never have. Never will.
And this is exactly the line where you and I will always differ. Not only do I like equating magic to science, I downright demand it. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of hocus-pocus, goblins, and vampire drivel. But, to each their own.
Quote: Hopefully this is the worst they have to offer this season, and the show gets better.
Dude, next to last season's Fear Her, or Sylvester McCoy's Time and the Rani, this was a fucking masterpiece...
Quote: Ultimate Jaburg53 said: His real name (perhaps) came up in "The Horns Of Nimron". The Doctor runs into a timelord in the undergrond cavens who calls him by a diffrent name.
Oh, this old chestnut, eh? You're talking about the infamous "Theta Sigma" line, right? Per everything I've ever read, heard, or tweaked about that, the original script made it plainly obvious that this was a "university nickname", as they were school friends. However, I believe the inference to it being just a nickname was either cut, or not made obvious enough. This is one of those bits of lore that always leaves fandom in an uproar (i.e. the extra faces seen when The Doctor and Morbius are battling out their regenerations in The Brain of Morbius)...
Quote: thedoctor said: But I don't like the whole concept of trying to equate magic with science. Never have. Never will.
And this is exactly the line where you and I will always differ. Not only do I like equating magic to science, I downright demand it. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of hocus-pocus, goblins, and vampire drivel. But, to each their own.
Yes, because all the shit the Doctor's been doing the past season wasn't just a bunch of hocus-pocus, aliens, and drivel. Especially with the help of his magic wand.... oops.... I meant Sonic Screwdriver. (And I was happy for just a bit when he destroyed it in the season premier. Too bad they gave him another one at the end of the ep.) You can masquerade science as magic; but when you make both the same thing, it just becomes fucking retarded. As long as it doesn't become too deus ex machina, it's fine. Leave it be and use some imagination.
Quote: the G-man said: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like the producers are sort of cashing in on Harry Potter with the newest look for the Doctor?
I noticed that, too, G - Man...I half expect the doctor to start using a wand and saying stuff like " Expecto Patronum!"
Quote: thedoctor said: Yes, because all the shit the Doctor's been doing the past season wasn't just a bunch of hocus-pocus, aliens, and drivel. Especially with the help of his magic wand.... oops.... I meant Sonic Screwdriver. (And I was happy for just a bit when he destroyed it in the season premier. Too bad they gave him another one at the end of the ep.) You can masquerade science as magic; but when you make both the same thing, it just becomes fucking retarded. As long as it doesn't become too deus ex machina, it's fine. Leave it be and use some imagination.
Oh, I think you're misreading me here. I wasn't talking neccessarily about Who, per se. More about "magic" itself. But, you know that already. It's not like this is the first time we've had this conversation.
And, I'm certain we're in agreement about the overuse of the sonic screwdriver, and silliness. But, did you notice he didn't use it at all in this last episode? Totally dug him going into it with just his brains...
Watched it. Not very impressed. Not Davies worst, though. Once again, there were a lot of good ideas though the 'villains' in this one was pretty weak. It's also more of Davies coming back to concepts and characters he's done the previous seasons.
Oh, and now we get to look forward to ANOTHER Dalek story. And this one's a two parter.
Plus, it had that really unfunny Irish comedian in it. Could some of you Brits let me know if that dude is popular over there or something. I find him pretty bland.
Man, you're certainly getting hard to please. I thought the episode was pretty fucking good. And, although I never laughed at the catguy, I also didn't realize he was supposed to be funny.
Also, nice use of an old, Troughton-era villian (it was Troughton, right?), as well as the emotions from all the people. Thought the story and concept behind it was tight, and am really liking Martha's evolution as just a normal companion. Their conversation at the end, about the beauty of Gallifrey was awesome. I mean, we've seen it in the old episodes. But, the description really allowed me to reboot all of that, and think about how gorgeous it would be with modern effects. And, speaking of the effects, they were pretty damn flawless in this.
Not to mention, what about The Face of Boe's secret, eh? This could get very interesting.
As for the next episode, the only thing I could cringe on is a lot of Brit actors doing bad American accents...
Quote: Prometheus said: Man, you're certainly getting hard to please. I thought the episode was pretty fucking good. And, although I never laughed at the catguy, I also didn't realize he was supposed to be funny.
I thought is had a good premise. I just think that Davies is too stuck on recycling characters from past episodes to have made it as good as it should have been. I think I'd have enjoyed the episode more had the motorway been part of some devious plan. The upper city trying to solve an overburdening and overpopulating lower class problem. Or the monsters themselves having concocted the plan as a way to feed themselves from an almost limitless supply of food. The way it came off, instead, is that the Face of Boe was a dick for not reprogramming the computer to keep people out of the fast lane and harm. And I don't want Davies putting more of his gay agenda in show either. We get it. You made Capt. Jack multisexual. We bought it. We don't need anymore.
Stephen King created Christine and drives cars, but it doesnt mean all his books are about cars!
I think you will find that even as exec prod, the stars and the BBC have more than just a little bit of input into the show!
To just say "Oh he is gay, created a gay show and is trying to infiltrate everything with gay!" is a bit shallow!
The fact we live in an age where gay people are a lot more prominant, would suggest that its gonna reflect in tv shows. And its hardly dominant in the Doctor Who episodes.
Quote: Nowhereman said: What does it matter what he created before?
Stephen King created Christine and drives cars, but it doesnt mean all his books are about cars!
But many of his stories do include menacing machines that threaten human safety and life. It actually is a theme that runs in many of his books.
Quote: Nowhereman said: I think you will find that even as exec prod, the stars and the BBC have more than just a little bit of input into the show!
To just say "Oh he is gay, created a gay show and is trying to infiltrate everything with gay!" is a bit shallow!
The fact we live in an age where gay people are a lot more prominant, would suggest that its gonna reflect in tv shows. And its hardly dominant in the Doctor Who episodes.
I have no problem with gay characters. But when you go out of your way to make sure that everyone knows that they're gay when it has nothing to do with the story is being a little pushy on how you think others should perceive it. We didn't have to know that the two old ladies were married. Subtlety could be used to bring that across without having to verbalize it.
Quote: thedoctor said: We didn't have to know that the two old ladies were married. Subtlety could be used to bring that across without having to verbalize it.
Agree with you there. Not because it bothered me. But, because there was no reason to tell the audience they were gay, when, near the end of the episode when the hymns are being sung, they hold hands in a very tender, touching moment. That moment was much more "normal" and beautiful than a very stretched, lame joke about the catguy not wanting to accept they were married...
In other news...finished the first disc of the first season. Didn't think I'd enjoy the 'End of the World' one because aliens and future stuff just doesn't cut it for me, but it was an awesome episode.
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: In other news...finished the first disc of the first season. Didn't think I'd enjoy the 'End of the World' one because aliens and future stuff just doesn't cut it for me, but it was an awesome episode.
The one with Dickens flippin' rocked. The end.
Awesome CJ. Glad you're digging it. Keep us posted on your progress. It's always fun to hear a newbies reviews on Doctor Who...
I kinda envy CJ... She's just beginning to experience Dr Who.
I first got into the show back in fall 1983....I remember drawing TARDIS's in my notebooks, talking about DR Who with anyone who'd listen, being quite happy whenever I met another fan, reading Dr Who magazines, painting a Tom Baker as 4 th Dr portrait, etc.
Seeing all of Tom's episodes.. and Pertwee, Hartnell, and Troughton... for the first time.. it was like magic.
Finished the second disc...did I mention how much I love Netflix?
Anyways, I have seen the episode with the female S-alien, so watching the two earlier episodes with her brothers explained a lot.
I assume that retro talking toolbox that looked like R2-D2 on an acid trip was from a previous Dr. Who series. That being said, it was a very sad sort of episode, although I'm still not sure how Rose touching it made it go insane. Actually, I understood nothing in that episode, and a little miffed that they made a corny captailist-American villian (wow, how original), but I enjoyed it for the ride.
Also, in the beginning of the robot episode, Dr. Who was looking at the head of a white robot and mentioned it was an enemy. Who was it?
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: Finished the second disc...did I mention how much I love Netflix?
Anyways, I have seen the episode with the female S-alien, so watching the two earlier episodes with her brothers explained a lot.
I assume that retro talking toolbox that looked like R2-D2 on an acid trip was from a previous Dr. Who series. That being said, it was a very sad sort of episode, although I'm still not sure how Rose touching it made it go insane. Actually, I understood nothing in that episode, and a little miffed that they made a corny captailist-American villian (wow, how original), but I enjoyed it for the ride.
Also, in the beginning of the robot episode, Dr. Who was looking at the head of a white robot and mentioned it was an enemy. Who was it?
It was the head of a Cyberman. Robot fuckers from the planet Mondas. I was always more afraid of the Cybermen. Daleks tell you everything straight. Those Cyberfuckers would lie to you.
Just it's head was in season one. Besides it was a proper Cyberman head not the season 2 "Cybermen". Really, in this new series you have never seen Cybermen.
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: Anyways, I have seen the episode with the female S-alien, so watching the two earlier episodes with her brothers explained a lot.
Yeah, not my favorite storyline, really. Too much farting..
Quote: I assume that retro talking toolbox that looked like R2-D2 on an acid trip was from a previous Dr. Who series.
Yep, they're called "Daleks". And, they're considered his greatest of all enemies. They've been around pretty much from the start of the series, first appearing in the second episode back in 1963...
A colorized shot of their first appearance...that's the very first Doctor in front
Quote: That being said, it was a very sad sort of episode,
You'd be sad too if they wiped out your entire race...
Quote: although I'm still not sure how Rose touching it made it go insane.
They can absorb energy/power through genetic contact. When she touched it (as it tricked her into doing), it absorbed just enough from her to recharge to full power. The "go insane" part is merely just it's basic nature. Daleks have one purpose, and one purpose only: destroy all lifeforms in the universe, except themselves. The ultimate racial purifiers.
Quote: Actually, I understood nothing in that episode,
What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
Quote: and a little miffed that they made a corny captailist-American villian (wow, how original), but I enjoyed it for the ride.
I hear you. Although, in the series defense...I don't think Who has ever done that angle before. Usually they pick on the Germans (you know the Brits still haven't forgiven them for the Blitz).
Quote: Also, in the beginning of the robot episode, Dr. Who was looking at the head of a white robot and mentioned it was an enemy. Who was it?
As Jaburg explained, they're cyborg creatures called "Cybermen". They also first appeared back in the 60's, and could be considered the Doc's second or third worst enemy.
Of all the who villains, the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master were the biggest villains, but only one enemy ever scared me shitless as a kid, and I actually hid behind the sofa when I was 6 or 7.
Quote: What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
This is the one episode I didn't watch until after the season ended and the only reason I understood it better was because I had seen later episodes and everyone here explaining the whole Dalek thing to me. Not explaining the Daleks better was my biggest problem with season one.
Quote: Nowhereman said: Of all the who villains, the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master were the biggest villains, but only one enemy ever scared me shitless as a kid, and I actually hid behind the sofa when I was 6 or 7.
Quote: What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
This is the one episode I didn't watch until after the season ended and the only reason I understood it better was because I had seen later episodes and everyone here explaining the whole Dalek thing to me. Not explaining the Daleks better was my biggest problem with season one.
Hmmm...I guess I can kind of see that. I imagine going into it with pre-knowledge of them sort of filled in the gaps, and I didn't notice there being anything confusing. Still, it was merely set up to be: Unstoppable bad guy Doctor has met before. They set it up like that, and didn't download a lot of info, because they didn't want to confuse newbies. Heh. Interesting how TPTB in media never quite pick up on the above-average intelligence of their viewers...
Quote: Nowhereman said: Of all the who villains, the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master were the biggest villains, but only one enemy ever scared me shitless as a kid, and I actually hid behind the sofa when I was 6 or 7.
Yeah, no shit! I saw them when I was the same age. The way they rasped and whispered when they spoke kind of weirded me out, too...
Quote: What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
This is the one episode I didn't watch until after the season ended and the only reason I understood it better was because I had seen later episodes and everyone here explaining the whole Dalek thing to me. Not explaining the Daleks better was my biggest problem with season one.
Hmmm...I guess I can kind of see that. I imagine going into it with pre-knowledge of them sort of filled in the gaps, and I didn't notice there being anything confusing. Still, it was merely set up to be: Unstoppable bad guy Doctor has met before. They set it up like that, and didn't download a lot of info, because they didn't want to confuse newbies. Heh. Interesting how TPTB in media never quite pick up on the above-average intelligence of their viewers...
I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Maybe that's not a good example...
And assuming I'm not totally wiped out tonight (almost went to the ER at four this morning) I'll watch the next disc.
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Actually, the Cybermen (the robot head you saw in the case) are very much the inspiration for The Borg; cybernetic beings who want to remake all life-forms in their image.
The Daleks are, like you said, nothing but killing machines. They exist for nothing but the slaughter.
Quote: And assuming I'm not totally wiped out tonight (almost went to the ER at four this morning) I'll watch the next disc.
I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Not every enemy on a Sci-Fi show are like the borg. There's a lot of really interesting backstory between The Doctor and the Daleks but I won't try to explain it when someone else here can do it better. You will also learn more about them later in the last couple episodes.
Quote: And assuming I'm not totally wiped out tonight (almost went to the ER at four this morning) I'll watch the next disc.
What happened?
Try to make it at least through the world war 2 episodes, those are my favorite of the season.
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Actually, the Cybermen (the robot head you saw in the case) are very much the inspiration for The Borg; cybernetic beings who want to remake all life-forms in their image.
Aye. Cybermen were turning people into robots 20 years before the Borg.
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Maybe that's not a good example...
The Daleks are Nazis. Plain and simple. Torrent Doctor Who: Genesis of the Daleks, and you'll see why. They are uber xenophobes. It's because of their being genetic engineered and using the mechanical bodies that they are superior. No other life form comes close to their perfection, so all life forms must die.
Saw Gridlock last night, liked it but had some problems with it. It had some nice character bits but it didn't reall deliver on something the series has been building up to IMHO. Plus while I liked the conceptthe plot was pretty weak.
Damn! I can't decide who to vote for. The Borg and The Daleks appear to be evenly matched. Both have destroyed entire civilizations. Both have one thing in mind : To accomplish their goal at al costs.
Daleks want to kill all humans. All other lifeforms, too.
Borg want to assimulate all races they come into contact with. They destroy those who resist.
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: Saw Gridlock last night, liked it but had some problems with it. It had some nice character bits but it didn't reall deliver on something the series has been building up to IMHO. Plus while I liked the conceptthe plot was pretty weak.
Agreed.
Quote: thedoctor said: Watched it. Not very impressed. Not Davies worst, though. Once again, there were a lot of good ideas though the 'villains' in this one was pretty weak. It's also more of Davies coming back to concepts and characters he's done the previous seasons.
... and...
Quote: thedoctor said: I thought is had a good premise. I just think that Davies is too stuck on recycling characters from past episodes to have made it as good as it should have been. I think I'd have enjoyed the episode more had the motorway been part of some devious plan. The upper city trying to solve an overburdening and overpopulating lower class problem. Or the monsters themselves having concocted the plan as a way to feed themselves from an almost limitless supply of food. The way it came off, instead, is that the Face of Boe was a dick for not reprogramming the computer to keep people out of the fast lane and harm.
Ha, guess I could have just requoted you Doctor Some spoiler space....
I may have missed it but couldn't the Face of Boe done his thing years before without the cost? How hard could of it been to open up some doors? (granted, really huge doors but still)
So I'm going to guess Boe's message to the Doctor means we'll be seeing Romana again! I realize the popular guess is the Master & I'm sure we'll be seeing him again but it would be a nice surprise to see a friendly face survive. She was in e-space after all.
Maybe, but are they counting the Big Finish audio adventures? 'cos if so, she'd already returned and become president (personally, I'd be just as happy if they ignored that story, it sucked).
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: Ha, guess I could have just requoted you Doctor Some spoiler space....
I may have missed it but couldn't the Face of Boe done his thing years before without the cost? How hard could of it been to open up some doors? (granted, really huge doors but still)
So I'm going to guess Boe's message to the Doctor means we'll be seeing Romana again! I realize the popular guess is the Master & I'm sure we'll be seeing him again but it would be a nice surprise to see a friendly face survive. She was in e-space after all.
Quote: SpandexMonkeyMan said: Maybe, but are they counting the Big Finish audio adventures? 'cos if so, she'd already returned and become president (personally, I'd be just as happy if they ignored that story, it sucked).
Never tried any of those. I doubt they would have that as part of the continuity though.
I like the idea of Susan surviving the time war. It was never really explained much in the original series as to who she actually was. Was the Doctor really her grandfather? I believe she ended up in some alternative timeline that had taken a beating from the Daleks.
Thankful, everything seems to be okay. I've just decided to stop working out for a week or so.
I woke up Thursday morning at four with really bad chest pains. I mean really bad. I honestly thought it was the beginning of a heart attack or something, because I felt weird and weak in my lower back and arms. I stood up and walked around in my bedroom, to see if that helped, and after about fifteen minutes I realized it was getting worse. So I went downstairs to get a drink, and I ended up on the floor because it hurt to stand. I finally got up and told my parents I was driving to the ER.
Apparently, everyone's a MD at four in the morning. My mother had to go to the ER about six months ago for a really odd EKG and when that happened, my sister told her that she had been hospitalized a while back for inflamed cartilage at the sternum (right in front of the heart). She went to the ER the first time it happened, but she's had it about four times in the past eighteen months. She just took painkillers during the day.
Apparently, inflamed cartilage is the biggest reason women between 20 and 40 go to the ER with chest pains. My sister's was causewd by bacteria (she had the flu at the same time), but we still have no clue why I was suffering. But I took a bunch of ibprofin that morning and took some the rest of the day. I could still feel something funny, but it wasn't the really bad pain like that morning. Everything seems to be okay now, but like I said, I don't want to aggrivate anything by working out, so I'm taking things slow this weekend.
Back to Dr. Who...I've got the third and forth disc now, so I'll probably tackle those soon.
Heh...interesting. It's crazy that I've been into Who for about twenty-eight years and have never heard of this guy. Yeah, he'd be very cool if brought into the actual series...
Thinking about it, the closest person I can describe him as is Snake Pliskin. He's a criminal who is given a chance to do some good by being shipped off to one of the shittiest places ever, with very little chance of survival!
I'm sure you guys would love his stuff!
That GN isnt the cheapiest (but can be picked up slightly cheaper here obviously), but I'd say its worth investing in.
Dunno if it would be coloured though as I seem to remember most of his stuff being B&W.
Watched the next two episodes on the DVD. The first one was when the Doctor took Rose to that 'Golden Age' and it was all run by a corrupt media and a weird monster. It was okay, but not one of my favs. Like I said before, I did the more historical ones.
The one with Rose's father almost made me cry though. I swear I've seen that guy somewhere else. And the Doctor holding Rose's hand...how cute. I take it this is one of those relationships where I'm going to be screaming at the TV for them to kiss, and they never do, right? Dangit.
Quote: Cowgirl Jack said: Watched the next two episodes on the DVD. The first one was when the Doctor took Rose to that 'Golden Age' and it was all run by a corrupt media and a weird monster. It was okay, but not one of my favs. Like I said before, I did the more historical ones.
That was another one I didn't care for that much but it did set up the season finale so I did like it more after I watched the entire season.
Quote: The one with Rose's father almost made me cry though. I swear I've seen that guy somewhere else. And the Doctor holding Rose's hand...how cute. I take it this is one of those relationships where I'm going to be screaming at the TV for them to kiss, and they never do, right? Dangit.
That was one I really liked. Too bad they had to ruin it with the second season with alternate dimension versions of her dad. Its one of the story lines they beat to death. This is one of the reasons I told you I hated the second season.
I thought that was another quality episode in a seires that has (in my eyes at least) yet to put a foot far wrong (Gridlock wasn't as good as it could have been, but other than that I've loved them all).
I'll admit to being biased on this issue, as Tennant is by far my favourite Doctor, but I'd say on the basis of the first four episodes this is shaping up to be my favourite series since the re-launch, since it lacks the hit-and-miss quality of the second series and Eccleston's doctor, who I frankly found rather dull and a little too dark for my personal tastes (boy, this sentence has really run on...).
Well, Eccleston rules as The Doc. But, I think that's an American preference. I've found that loads of Brits prefer Tennant all day long. We're all different, I guess.
As for this latest episode, I didn't think it was that bad. However, it was pretty low-key, and the "hybrid" was fucking laughable. I mean, come on! Silly.
The episode was, so far, the worst of the third season. But, since it's only the fourth episode, I have high hopes for the rest. And, you have to admit...this season, and Tennant's Doctor, are pretty dark. And, I'm digging the shadows of it all...
I think that some of you are forgetting that the original Doctor Who run was mostly ridiculous and stupid, which was part of its charm, and the reason it became so popular (it was so bad that it was great).
For some reason now though you all seem to want highbrow entertainment, which is not what Who is about!
The only genuine fault I find with the second run (and that includes Ecclestones highly overrated run as it was no different to the Tennant run), is that too much of it is set on Earth!
Quote: Nowhereman said: I think that some of you are forgetting that the original Doctor Who run was mostly ridiculous and stupid, which was part of its charm, and the reason it became so popular (it was so bad that it was great).
For some reason now though you all seem to want highbrow entertainment, which is not what Who is about!
The only genuine fault I find with the second run (and that includes Ecclestones highly overrated run as it was no different to the Tennant run), is that too much of it is set on Earth!
Are you kidding? I haven't forgotten a thing about the original series! I grew up worshipping that legendary pile of crappy goodness. But, overall, Season One had more fire, passion, coolness, and excitement than pretty much all of the Second Season. Yet, it seems that this third season is picking back up again. And, that's great. But, for all my love of all things Who, I can call a bad episode from a good one. It's like comparing Baker's "City of Death" to McCoy's "Delta and the Bannermen". I accept both as Who. However, I know the difference between good Who and bad Who.
And, in the end, it always comes down to personal opinion...
Doctor Who on Sci-Fi Channel Popular British sci-fi show Doctor Who will debut with its third season on the Sci-Fi Channel in America in July.
The show stars David Tennant as the mysterious time-travelling Doctor (the tenth actor in the role) and Freema Agyeman as Martha Jones, his companion.
"'Doctor Who' has become a favourite among Sci-Fi audiences," Chris Regina, the Sci-Fi Channel's Vice President of Programming said. "We are happy to bring the show back for its third season and look forward to following the Doctor's continuing adventures with his newest companion."
I've caught the last fifteen minutes of that WW2 two-parter about eight times. It was so nice to finally sit down and watch the whole thing. It actually makes sense now.
And Pro, I know you didn't think much of the first episode I ever watched -- the one with the female alien and the rift -- but I still liked it. More so since I had seen the previous episodes and had a clue as to what was going on.
And then there was the season finale. First of all, I thought the whole thing was on five disc. Turns out it was only four disc, and Netflix sent me the bonus disc, which was silly. So it took me a moment to realize I was watching the end.
Oh, and I like the BBC version of 'What Not to Wear' better than the American one, so I got a huge laugh seeing robotic versions of Trinny and Susan. Very, very funny.
I still think I could make a Darlek using stuff from my garage, but there's something very cool about them, even if I turn the volume down when they're running around the place. In fact, I'm tempted to ask that we buy one for the office. To discourage idleness.
And the Doctor kissed Rose. Bout damn time!
All in all, I like the series, even though it is rather exhausting. I have been informed by my kid brother, however, than when his birthday turns up, I'm to get him this as a present. Thanks guys, I can't afford this...;)
Oh, and CJ...if you were ever curious about past Doctors, or the like, here's a simple five-minute excerpt from the 4th Doctor (the one you just watched was #9). You may or may not care. But, it'll give you a bit more insight into how each incarnation is different...
Oh, I've known about that for a while. Even before I watched the show, I knew there had been a bunch of other Doctors and they were all the same person.
Besides, I read Hawkman, remember? People dying and coming back in new bodies isn't exactly new to me.
And Eccleston and Piper are just adorable. I'm going to take a break and maybe Netflix the second season later. I really don't like the other guy as much, but I like Rose, so I figure I'd give it a shot.
Hmmm...next on Netflix is Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. Not quite the same thing, really...
Quote: Prometheus said: ...it'll give you a bit more insight into how each incarnation is different...
Oh I don't know. Another smug Brit waltzing about the place like he owns it, driving all the natives crazy with his weird questions. Oh yeah, totally different.
I didn't think the first one was terrible, just mediocre. Glad to hear the 2nd part is a bit better. Not sure what the Daleks are trying to accomplish with the human/Dalek hybrid. There doesn't seem to be any advantage other than being extra ugly via the first part.
I like Martha but we've been only a couple of episodes since she joined the Doctor & she's already mooning after him. After doing the big romance thing with Rose it seems a bit quick to be working up another IMHO.
When I was in 6th grade I walked to a gas station near our house (about a mile off) and bought a tire-pressure gauge because I could pretend it was a sonic screwdriver.
I feel like... a Star Wars fan getting their first lightsaber.
Loved this episode! Gatiss was great as the villian, and I love how The Doctor was written using his mind instead of the fucking screwdriver. Quite possibly, the best episode this season. And, the trailer for the remaining episodes looks fucking brilliant...
See, I wasn't a huge fan. It was alright (I find increasingly that I can find something to like in almost all of David Tennant's stories), and Gatiss was pretty good, but Martha's mum was deeply irritating, and the monster itself wasn't that great.
And, on a slightly different subject, I've found that english tastes and american tastes re: the new run are very divergent, by and large. Americans (by which I mean most of the guys on this site) prefer Eccleston's run and the less whimsical end of Tennant's stuff, whilst The English fans (on the whole, obviously there are quite a few exceptions) prefer Tennant's run, particularly the light-hearted stuff, or just generally love the show.
Quote: SpandexMonkeyMan said: And, on a slightly different subject, I've found that english tastes and american tastes re: the new run are very divergent, by and large. Americans (by which I mean most of the guys on this site) prefer Eccleston's run and the less whimsical end of Tennant's stuff, whilst The English fans (on the whole, obviously there are quite a few exceptions) prefer Tennant's run, particularly the light-hearted stuff, or just generally love the show.
Absolutely. Totally agree. In fact, I think I said something similiar to this a few pages back. For some reason (various ones, actually, that I just don't feel like analyzing right now) American viewers understand/identify with Eccleston's leather-clad, scarred survivor. Whereas, Tennant's whimsical "Perfect Ten" of Doctor's seems to lure in the UK mindset.
Can't wait to see what the eleventh one is like...
The Lazarus episode was good. The promo for the next episode looks better. Can't wait to see what develops this season.
Gotta say I've enjoyed both of the new Doctors. Tennant has done a good job after Eccleston's first season. I'm still thrilled seeing a series that I enjoyed as a kid come back better than ever.
Just ordered series 2 on DVD.
Had pre-ordered the Amazon limited edition last year, but I cancelled it mere days before its release date as I knew I'd pick it up cheaper later.
Instead of paying the original £80 price tag, I've just paid £40.
The Amazon version actually has a special case and a few freebies inside.
Ya know what, I really should take more interest in this programme being British, but I still find out stuff about Who all the time, but its prolly stuff Whophiles already know.
Cant believe it took me this long to work out Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who!
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: The Lazarus episode was good. The promo for the next episode looks better. Can't wait to see what develops this season.
Gotta say I've enjoyed both of the new Doctors. Tennant has done a good job after Eccleston's first season. I'm still thrilled seeing a series that I enjoyed as a kid come back better than ever.
Actually, the teaser was for the rest of the season, since it took a very small break (like a week, or something).
And yeah, it is awesome to see Doctor Who back. In away the best thing is watching kids today take to it like I did back in the day.
Quote: Nowhereman said: Ya know what, I really should take more interest in this programme being British, but I still find out stuff about Who all the time, but its prolly stuff Whophiles already know.
Cant believe it took me this long to work out Torchwood is an anagram of Doctor Who!
Apparently it was the BBC shipping people who thought it up. They'd mark the tapes as Torchwood when shipping them from Cardiff to London to prevent them from being copied and leaked before the show aired.
Torchwood, the show, was pretty....gay. Jack's character is just neutered all the way through, the plots are silly, and the sexual-everything is completely forced. I gave Season One a solid "F"...
Quote: Prometheus said: Torchwood, the show, was pretty....gay. Jack's character is just neutered all the way through, the plots are silly, and the sexual-everything is completely forced. I gave Rob a solid cock...
Working my way through "series 2" and the more Tennant episodes I watch, the less I understand how people can say he is trying to copy Eccleston, or any other Doctor for that matter. Also, I see him as more charasmatic than Eccleston, and a more enigmatic character with how seemlessly he seems to shift from being lighthearted and comical, to dark and ruthless!
Quote: Nowhereman said: Working my way through "series 2" and the more Tennant episodes I watch, the less I understand how people can say he is trying to copy Eccleston, or any other Doctor for that matter. Also, I see him as more charasmatic than Eccleston, and a more enigmatic character with how seemlessly he seems to shift from being lighthearted and comical, to dark and ruthless!
Totally. Who said he acted like Eccleston? I don't see it. If anything, Tennant channels a balanced mix of Peter Davison (5th), Tom Baker (4th), and a hint of Paul McGann (8th)...
Quote: Nowhereman said: Working my way through "series 2" and the more Tennant episodes I watch, the less I understand how people can say he is trying to copy Eccleston, or any other Doctor for that matter. Also, I see him as more charasmatic than Eccleston, and a more enigmatic character with how seemlessly he seems to shift from being lighthearted and comical, to dark and ruthless!
Totally. Who said he acted like Eccleston? I don't see it. If anything, Tennant channels a balanced mix of Peter Davison (5th), Tom Baker (4th), and a hint of Paul McGann (8th)...
Davis does not own the rights to Doctor Who and has absolutely no say as to whether the show will continue or stop.
Stupid wanker. He has an incredibly annoying voice and his mouth moves annoyingly when he talks. I had to turn off the confidential episodes on series 2 as he annoyed me so much!
MediaGuardian.co.uk, the media news-focused section of The Guardian newspaper's website, has today run a story (subscription link) by reporter Ben Dowell speculating about the possible future of Doctor Who showrunner Russell T Davies.
The piece, in reponse to a story published in this morning's edition of the tabloid newspaper The Sun, contains a quote from an unnamed "BBC drama spokeswoman", stating that: "Discussions have not begun so we cannot say if Russell will be involved or not" with Doctor Who beyond the end of the fourth series in 2008.
However, the report specifically denies The Sun's story that Davies and other staff on the show have a plan to end the programme at the conclusion of the fourth series. MediaGuardian quotes another source, a similarly unnamed "senior BBC Wales drama source", as telling them that:
"Russell has always said that he wouldn't be with the show forever and he has made no secret that the hours are quite exhausting... But there isn't any way it would be axed even if he left. He loves the show and he does feel that maybe it would benefit from some new blood."
The MediaGuardian states that "if Mr Davies does leave Doctor Who, the BBC will want to keep such a popular show going by bringing in a new executive producer to take over his creative responsibilities."
been dealing with insomnia so I read through and caught up on what I missed.
this:
is really kool. I dig it.
but this:
this is fucking awesome. this is what I want. that one scene they had at the table talking and laughing and briefly forgetting the shit they've been through. that was perfect. stick these guys up against the revived Cybermen, a new Master, crazy time travel shit, pulp scifi weirdness, whatever. I'd fucking watch that in a moment.
It’s only been eight episodes since Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) took over the role of The Doctor’s companion following the departure of Billie Piper’s Rose Tyler at the end of the second season. But apparently that’s all the BBC needs to see. However, Agyeman's site and the BBC have denied such reports.
According to The Sun newspaper in Scotland, the show's chiefs are a little underwhelmed by the performance Agyeman has given despite all-round strong reviews from critics. The newspaper said the BBC was disappointed in her work in later episodes of the third season which have yet to be broadcast in the United Kingdom, citing that “her performance is not as strong as in her earlier episodes.”
And unfortunately for Martha there won’t be a happy ending as, according to the newspaper, there is a storyline set where she will become lost in time with The Doctor unable to find her. This, of course, may ring a few bells with fans of the series who watched Rose Tyler finish with a similar fate as she becomes stranded in an alternate world following the events of “Doomsday," the second season finale of the show that marked Piper's departure.
“Freema is very talented but we don’t think she is just right on ‘Doctor Who,’” a source told the newspaper. “None of this is being done with any malice. Freema’s a lovely girl.”
A spokesperson for the series refused to comment on the report, however if true, this marks the third casting change the series has seen, after Christopher Eccleston left the show after only a year and Piper departed at the end of the second season.
Agyeman herself has spoken out on how difficult it was to break into the show, but praised her co-star David Tennant as a wonder to work with. During the audition phase in Cardiff, Wales, the actor reportedly left a note of encouragement and good luck for her at her hotel.
The BBC said in a statement that while "it is absolute rubbish that Freema Agyeman has been axed or sacked from 'Doctor Who,'" the network does "not comment on future storylines."
Agyeman's fan Web site released a statement saying that "having failed to cash in on their attempts to damage her established co-star, David Tennant, by trying to ignite and ride on rumors of his impending departure from 'Doctor Who,' The Sun has turned their eye to a far easier target, an actress who has barely gotten her momentum going in mainstream media and therefore can less easily defend herself."
The statement went on to say that showrunner Russell T. Davies has said in past interviews that he has yet to plan the winter Christmas special nor Season 4, and also that there is no one high enough in the BBC chain that would know of any such decisions that would speak on condition of anonymity. At the same time, however, the site said that "solid sources" it could not name assure them that The Sun's article is "completely false."
The site also is calling for a boycott of the newspaper, and thanked fans for their "loyalty to Freema."
The Sun has provided considerable coverage to the revitalized “Doctor Who” series since its launch in 2005, providing first look photos of both the Daleks and Cybermen. They also were among the first to announce that Piper would be leaving the series last year.
"Doctor Who" currently is airing its third season with Agyeman and Tennant Saturdays on BBC One, while it's expected to make its way to the United States in July on the SciFi Channel.
To be honest, it was always gonna be difficult for anyone to replace Piper. Unlike previous companions, Piper had been sort of the glue of the show as she was the only constant of the first two series.
I the past, companions might have worked with different Doctors, but the Doctor was always the focal point of the show, which of course he still is now, but as the original run was a lot of years, it was very easy to phase one companion out and replace them with another. As the new Doctor Who had a huge gap in its schedule from the original run, they didnt have the comfort zone of the show being long running, and the fact that (excluding McGann) no Doctor has ever lasted as short a time as Eccleston, they kinda put a lot of emphasis on Rose. I mean how many shows from the first two series revolved around her, her life and her family?
Finally I'll know who's behind Bad Wolf - and the Dalek invasion! Thinking it's the evil Time Master. (Don't spoil me until next Friday 'cause than I've seen part 2.)
Quote: Grimm said: this is fucking awesome. this is what I want. that one scene they had at the table talking and laughing and briefly forgetting the shit they've been through. that was perfect. stick these guys up against the revived Cybermen, a new Master, crazy time travel shit, pulp scifi weirdness, whatever. I'd fucking watch that in a moment.
No doubt. Rose, Mickey, Captain Jack Harkness, and the Ninth Doctor. That's the team to beat. Those guys were legend together.
BTW, watch that video at the bottom of the post...
Once again, that's Syfyportal simply reporting on a tabloid article The Sun ran. Until the BBC says outright it's true, I wouldn't buy it.
And, for me, Agyeman rocks. She's confident, fresh, smart, and mature. Everything Rose wasn't. And it works perfectly. Not to mention, she's fucking hot...
Quote: Grimm said: lookee what I found.
Love some Piper ass!
Be sure to show that to Cross. He's obsessed with her and Starbuck from the new Battlestar Galactica. Seeing a pattern in his tastes?
Quote: Balloon Knot said: Another Fantastic Episode. The writing the season is way better then last one. And the NExt episode looks great also.
Fuck yes!! Season Two kind of wore me down. But, Season Three has been kick-the-fuck-ass so far. The only weak episodes have been the two-parter Daleks one. That simply blew balls. Yet, every other episode around it has blossomed into gold.
Can't WAIT for the end of the season! I have a feeling 'you-know-who' is waiting for The Doctor...
No a series is a sequence of events that follow on from eachother, seasonal is not a year. Series does not indicate an ending at all. There are 4 seasons in a year, not 1.
Also, the old Flash Gordon, King of rocket men etc, were called serials (which ties in with them being a series), and when you talk about books, you might say The Harry Potter series of books. Even in comics you have mini series an ongoing series!
I believe what Pro's getting at is that over here, when we say "series" in relation to tv shows, we generally mean the "series" as a whole. in the case of Dr. Who it would mean the entire run from 63 to the present.
Well its still a series from 63 to present day, its just that for many years, we never broke things down into seperate series like you do in the USA. It wasnt til the Ecclestone run that we even started calling its series 1 etc (although Jaburg will point out it isnt series 1). To us, it was just the Doctor Who series, they were never numbered.
It was only when video took off that we even bothered with series numbering on anything.
Well, I'll take your word on what the Brits called Who. But, being there was an obvious end, break, and then beginning of seasons/series of Who...all the way back to '63...I highly doubt each run wasn't designated and differentiated--whether they called it a series or a season.
*SPOILERS!*
Jaburg: The Master's companion/"wife" rocks! That chick is weirdo-freaky, that's for certain. I think she's supposed to embody a sort of anti-companion. She joined The Master for the same rational as why Martha, or Rose, or any of the rest joined The Doctor. Rose was attracted to the force of good that The Doc exhibits. Similarly, I take it Lucy Saxon gets into the desire for power and destruction that The Master exudes.
Not to mention, that actress is a fucking genius when it comes to subtle, strange emotions and expressions. Like when the Master kicked on that music, and she's in the background doing a weird little dance the entire time? I fucking love that shit. She's as nutty, and broken as he is...
Well, I'll take your word on what the Brits called Who. But, being there was an obvious end, break, and then beginning of seasons/series of Who...all the way back to '63...I highly doubt each run wasn't designated and differentiated--whether they called it a series or a season.
It was Doctor Who, what was there to differentiate. All you would say would be new series.......but once it started it just became part of the series. You never said, old series or last series when talking about previous runs. If you were talking about the previous series, you would just say "last year" or "two years ago".
Hmmm, that's odd. But, for all I know, the US referred to their shows as "last year" and so, as well. But, if they did, it hasn't been for a long, long time...
We would never call it a season though as we know that means there should be four runs a year by that definition!
If there is only one run a year, its annual not seasonal!
Your using that logic as if Season means there has to be four in any given year. Like winter spring summer and fall. Yet when reffering to the animal kingdom there is usually a mating season which happens once maybe twice a year depending upon the species.
So given that there is already a precedent set that a season isn't something that has to occur four times annually it is perfectly reasonable for us here in the united states to refer to a yearly run of a show as a season.
Yes, but a mating season is once again determined by a specific thing that cannot be changed. You cannot change when the summer starts and ends and you cannot change when the mating season starts and ends, its a case of natural law or biology.
TV is not bound over by such things, and can start its shows whenever it wants. Plus you cant do reruns of the mating season or summmer.
Yes, but a mating season is once again determined by a specific thing that cannot be changed. You cannot change when the summer starts and ends and you cannot change when the mating season starts and ends, its a case of natural law or biology.
TV is not bound over by such things, and can start its shows whenever it wants. Plus you cant do reruns of the mating season or summmer.
Relax - she's coming back, and branching out too...
While the final episode of Series Three, screened last Saturday , saw The Doctor's companion Martha leave to care for her devastated family, and to break the cycle of unrequited love she feels for The Doctor, the production team has now confirmed that the character is set to make a triumphant return in the fourth series.
Freema Agyeman is also set to join the cast of Torchwood, where she will continue to play the character in three new episodes before returning to Doctor Who in the middle of the fourth series.
As Doctor Who's Executive Producer and head writer, Russell T Davies notes: "Series three has gained outstanding reviews and Freema has been a huge part of that success, gaining rave notices for her portrayal of Martha. Now we are taking the character of Martha into brand new territory with a starring role in Torchwood".
"I can't wait to start filming on Torchwood and the new series of Doctor Who," said Freema. "It's a huge new challenge for me and I'm delighted Russell has decided to expand the character of Martha Jones.'"
The new announcement leaves a vacant space in the TARDIS. A new companion for The Doctor, who will join the new series for the entire 13 week run, will be announced shortly.
Relax - she's coming back, and branching out too...
While the final episode of Series Three, screened last Saturday , saw The Doctor's companion Martha leave to care for her devastated family, and to break the cycle of unrequited love she feels for The Doctor, the production team has now confirmed that the character is set to make a triumphant return in the fourth series.
Freema Agyeman is also set to join the cast of Torchwood, where she will continue to play the character in three new episodes before returning to Doctor Who in the middle of the fourth series.
As Doctor Who's Executive Producer and head writer, Russell T Davies notes: "Series three has gained outstanding reviews and Freema has been a huge part of that success, gaining rave notices for her portrayal of Martha. Now we are taking the character of Martha into brand new territory with a starring role in Torchwood".
"I can't wait to start filming on Torchwood and the new series of Doctor Who," said Freema. "It's a huge new challenge for me and I'm delighted Russell has decided to expand the character of Martha Jones.'"
The new announcement leaves a vacant space in the TARDIS. A new companion for The Doctor, who will join the new series for the entire 13 week run, will be announced shortly.
I figured she wouldn't be gone to long. While I didn't care for everything in the final episode of series 3, it was nice seeing Martha be the hero. Her time as a companion has been an extra-ordinarally tough one in retrospect where she doesn't get to rely on the Doc like previous companions but the reverse. I could she her coming back & maybe find the Doctor pining away for her. Glad she'll be doing some Torchwood. The more companions on that show the better!
I noticed on the second to last episode there was a clip from a Doctor Who cartoon. The animation didn't look bad from the snippet I saw. Anyone see it & is it any good?
I haven't seen the animated show yet. I heard it's properly voiced, though. That's good.
You know, I've always thought Torchwood would have worked much, much better with Jack, Yoshi, Gwen...and then some former companions of The Doctor. It just makes sense that a group like that would want all the firsthand experience it could get. Get Sarah-Jane (journalist/adventurer), Professor Liz Shaw (physicist), Dorothy "Ace" McShane (demolitions expert), and even Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart as Jack's boss. They should be defending Earth against old and new Who threats. Now THAT would make a kick-ass show!
Also, wouldn't you think Torchwood would be a good avenue to have past-Doctor appearances? Paul McGann's Doc seems to be the most obvious, given that his incarnation seems to lend itself to Torchwood's adult-ish tone.
Also, I'd fire RTD from it, and let real writers take over.
I haven't seen the animated show yet. I heard it's properly voiced, though. That's good.
You know, I've always thought Torchwood would have worked much, much better with Jack, Yoshi, Gwen...and then some former companions of The Doctor. It just makes sense that a group like that would want all the firsthand experience it could get. Get Sarah-Jane (journalist/adventurer), Professor Liz Shaw (physicist), Dorothy "Ace" McShane (demolitions expert), and even Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart as Jack's boss. They should be defending Earth against old and new Who threats. Now THAT would make a kick-ass show!
Also, wouldn't you think Torchwood would be a good avenue to have past-Doctor appearances? Paul McGann's Doc seems to be the most obvious, given that his incarnation seems to lend itself to Torchwood's adult-ish tone.
Also, I'd fire RTD from it, and let real writers take over.
It's amazing how fast Season Three is starting over here. It just got through in the UK last Saturday! Even still, I prefer to see the episodes through other means than Sci-Fi. I hate some edited-for-time and commercials bullshit...
I haven't seen the animated show yet. I heard it's properly voiced, though. That's good.
You know, I've always thought Torchwood would have worked much, much better with Jack, Yoshi, Gwen...and then some former companions of The Doctor. It just makes sense that a group like that would want all the firsthand experience it could get. Get Sarah-Jane (journalist/adventurer), Professor Liz Shaw (physicist), Dorothy "Ace" McShane (demolitions expert), and even Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart as Jack's boss. They should be defending Earth against old and new Who threats. Now THAT would make a kick-ass show!
Also, wouldn't you think Torchwood would be a good avenue to have past-Doctor appearances? Paul McGann's Doc seems to be the most obvious, given that his incarnation seems to lend itself to Torchwood's adult-ish tone.
Also, I'd fire RTD from it, and let real writers take over.
I'd watch that.
Watch it? Bitch, if I was put in charge of Torchwood, you'd be writing the motherfucker. That show needs some thorough macabre, and that is your forte'...
I haven't seen the animated show yet. I heard it's properly voiced, though. That's good.
You know, I've always thought Torchwood would have worked much, much better with Jack, Yoshi, Gwen...and then some former companions of The Doctor. It just makes sense that a group like that would want all the firsthand experience it could get. Get Sarah-Jane (journalist/adventurer), Professor Liz Shaw (physicist), Dorothy "Ace" McShane (demolitions expert), and even Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart as Jack's boss. They should be defending Earth against old and new Who threats. Now THAT would make a kick-ass show!
Also, wouldn't you think Torchwood would be a good avenue to have past-Doctor appearances? Paul McGann's Doc seems to be the most obvious, given that his incarnation seems to lend itself to Torchwood's adult-ish tone.
Also, I'd fire RTD from it, and let real writers take over.
I'd watch that.
Watch it? Bitch, if I was put in charge of Torchwood, you'd be writing the motherfucker. That show needs some thorough macabre, and that is your forte'...
A very young Tom Baker, still working in construction. I think this is the pic where he and his work buddies are getting pist in celebration of Baker's landing the role of The Doctor...
Finally! That was always weird about how that was released in the US about three or four years ago, but not in the UK. Must have been payback for not allowing us to get Paul McGann's movie, even though it was filmed over here.
And, I'm looking forward to Tate, man. Not every character has to be tits-and-ass. Of course, it doesn't hurt that Martha's coming back in the middle of the season...
Finally! That was always weird about how that was released in the US about three or four years ago, but not in the UK. Must have been payback for not allowing us to get Paul McGann's movie, even though it was filmed over here.
And, I'm looking forward to Tate, man. Not every character has to be tits-and-ass. Of course, it doesn't hurt that Martha's coming back in the middle of the season...
Try ALL of series 4. Martha will rejoin them both halfway through the run...
I can really see myself not evn bothering to watch this series, let alone buy it! Its gonna be shit. They wont be able to help themselves in constantly playing every show for laughs, and they just wont be funny, just like mist of Tates repetitive shitty material!
Runaway Bride : 9/10 (The Racnoss spider-chick was a bit over-the-top for me. Everything else was fun. Loved Donna.)
Smith & Jones : 10/10 (Flawless intro to the new companion, love the new companion, enjoyed the Judoon, Tennant's has really figured out how to play his Doctor...he's found the 'medium-range' of being freaky. I'm digging him. Not sure about the blue suit. But, I like how it's just a kind of back-and-forth thing. Sometimes he wears it. Sometimes he doesn't.)
Good stuff!
Cunty, I'm not sure what the Tate season will be like. But, I sincerely doubt they'll play the entire thing for laughs.
With her and Martha together, it's really shaping up to be a '5th Doctor' crew; Tegan (Donna), and Nyssa (Martha). All they need to do is bring back Adam (Adric) from Season One, and kill him off. Then the circle will be complete...
Tegan's role in Dr Who can be defined in one sentence:
: " Doctor, I've seen enough, let's get out of here, now!"
Pretty much...
Originally Posted By: Grimm
just flipped over from the Family Guy marathon. I'll give 'em a look since the consensus seems to be season 3 is a lot better than 2.
Indeed. It gets darker as the season goes. Mind you, there's a two-parter coming up, though, that you can completely avoid (episodes 4 & 5 I think...I'll let you know). They're just plain silly. The rest is damn near gold...
is it just me, or is he trying to take McGann's place as the "romantic" Doctor? he's drawing some serious interest from the ladies. wonder if that's also a holdover from Casanova.
Cunty, I'm not sure what the Tate season will be like. But, I sincerely doubt they'll play the entire thing for laughs.
She is currently the "big thing" in comedy, which is obviously the reason they picked her, to try and bring in more fans. They wont be able to help themselves, and I bet she will make sure she gets to be "funny".......her definition, not mine!
Okay so how does this Time War thing work anyway? I've noticed that it's been referenced by various characters on the show beyond the Doctor. So it was somehow a recordable historical event yet there appears to be no chance of the Doctor bumping into anyone else time travelling from his planet. Whatever happened in the Time War also seems to have erased all these Time Lords. Is there anything that explains this parodox or is it one of those just don't think about things?
The Judoon action figures have been just released btw. Also released: Jones, Doc with glasses, witch from the Shakespeare episode plus the very first wave seems to have been rereleased: Cassandra, Moxx, regeration 2 pack & Sycorax. Fun stuff & the first wave was near impossable to find.
The episode where the Doctor fights the Daleks on a space station where bizarre game shows are filmed was on PBS tonight.. have to wait till next Sunday to see the end.. already saw it, but my boyfriend hadn't.. he wants to see how the Doctor regenerated into the current Doctor.. I thought it was a very cool transformation, myself.
Okay so how does this Time War thing work anyway? I've noticed that it's been referenced by various characters on the show beyond the Doctor. So it was somehow a recordable historical event yet there appears to be no chance of the Doctor bumping into anyone else time travelling from his planet. Whatever happened in the Time War also seems to have erased all these Time Lords. Is there anything that explains this parodox or is it one of those just don't think about things?
Well, the beauty of The Time War from a creative standpoint is you don't really have to explain or justify the changes or inconsistencies between this new series and the old one. That's probably why it's never been fully explored. However, from what I've gathered from it, the battle between the Time Lords and the Daleks was so fierce, it was beginning to rupture time itself. When The Doctor did whatever the Doctor did to stop it...the result destroyed Gallifrey, the Dalek Empire, and practically erased every Time Lord from having ever been. Except The Doctor. Yet, the paradox of them being remembered as having existed remains. Kind of messed up, I know.
I found this a couple of weeks back. It's the original proposal Russel T Davies turned in for the new Doctor Who...
When the Doctor came to Earth – to track down the Nestene Consciousness and its plastic servants, the Autons – he had no intention of finding a human companion. He’d had fellow travellers alongside him before, of course, and most of them human. His favourite species! But that was in the old days, when the universe seemed young and fresh and more inclined to friendly gestures.
The universe, since then, had changed. At least for the Doctor.
There had been a War, the Great Time War between the Daleks and the Time Lords. There had been two Time Wars before this – the skirmish between the Halldons and the Eternals, and then the brutal slaughter of the Omnicraven Uprising – and on both occasions, the Doctor’s people had stepped in to settle the matter. The Time Lords had a policy of nin-interference in the affairs of the universe, but on a higher level, in affairs of the Time Vortex, they assumed discreetly the role of protectors. They were the self-appointed keepers of the peace. Until forced to fight.
Now, the story of the Great (and final) Time War is hard to piece together, because so little survived. Certainly, both had been testing each others strength for many, many years. The Daleks had threatened the Time Lord High Council before, by trying to replace its members with Dalek duplicates. And one of the Dalek Puppet Emperors had openly declared his hostility. Though perhaps the Daleks’ wrath was justifiable – they had been provoked! At one point in their history, the Time Lords had actually sent the Doctor back in time, to prevent the creation of the Daleks. An act of genocide! The Time Lords fired the first shot – though in their defence, they took this course of action because they had foreseen a time when the Daleks would overrun all civilized life and become the dominant life-form in the universe.
Some tried to find a peaceful solution. While it’s hard to find precise records of these events, it’s said that under the Act of Master Restitution, President Romana opened a peace treaty with the Daleks. Others claim that the Etra Prime Incident began the escalation of events. But whatever the cause – and its almost certain that the full story has yet to be uncovered – the terrible War began. The Time Lords reached back into their own history, to assemble a fleet of Bowships, Black Hole Carriers and N-Forms; the Daleks unleashed the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth, and launched an awesome fleet into the Vortex, led by the Emperor himself.
The War raged, but for most species in the universe, life continued as normal. The War was fought in the Vortex, and beyond that, in the Ultimate Void, beyond the eyes and ears of ordinary creatures. The Lesser Species lived in ignorance. If a planet found its history subtle changing – perhaps distorting and rewriting itself under the pressures of the rupturing Vortex – then its people were part of that change, and perceived nothing to be wrong. Only the Higher Species – those further up the evolutionary ladder – saw what was happening. The Forest of Cheem gazed upon the bloodshed, and wept. The Nestene Consciousness lost all of its planets, and found itself mutating under temporal stress. The Greater Animus perished and its Carsenome Walls fell into dust. And it is said that the Eternals themselves watched, and despaired of this reality, and fled their hallowed halls, never to be seen again…
Years passed, as the mighty armies clashed. And then, silence. No one knows exactly what happened in the final battle. And no one knows how it came to end. All that is known is that one man strode from the wreckage, one man walked free from the ruins of Gallifrey and Skaro. The Time Lord called the Doctor. And his hearts were heavy as he boarded his ship once more, and took to the skies, to escape everything he had just seen; everything he had just done…
He is alone and thinks, somehow, that he deserves this. And as he wanders on, he decides that no one should stand beside him. He’s got no room, on board his TARDIS. He is a traveler, and needs no other.
But then he finds himself in the cellar of a London shop at closing time, and he grabs the hand of an Earthling called Rose Tyler, and looks into her eyes, and all those resolutions go out of the window! The journey goes on, with a human at his side, and who knows where it will end…
And far away, across the universe, on the planet Crafe Tec Heydra, one side of a mountain carries carvings and hieroglyphs, crude representations of an invisible War. The artwork shows two races clashing, one metal, one flesh; a fearsome explosion; and a solitary survivor walking from the wreckage. Solitary? Perhaps not. Under this figure, a phrase has been scratched in the stone, which translates as: you are not alone…
The Satin Pit playset is a preorder item but the other figures are out now. What an odd choice for a playset btw, I really like how Character Options is handling the new series. It's not just a bunch of Daleks & maybe whoever the current Doc is.
Why is it, after almost forty-five years, I still don't have the ability to go out and buy all ten Doctors as figures or statues? Why? I mean, fuck me...there's GOT to be a market for that shit by now...
Why is it, after almost forty-five years, I still don't have the ability to go out and buy all ten Doctors as figures or statues? Why? I mean, fuck me...there's GOT to be a market for that shit by now...
I highly recommend the talking Tom Baker as 4 th Doctor figure with talking K- 9.
The Doctor says about 4 phrases when you push the button on his back, and K - 9 says 2 phrases when you push the button on his back. I posted a photo of the two with my Star Trek figures a while back......
Why is it, after almost forty-five years, I still don't have the ability to go out and buy all ten Doctors as figures or statues? Why? I mean, fuck me...there's GOT to be a market for that shit by now...
Being that America/Canada still doesnt have what is viewed as a big enough audience, merchandise will always be sparse.
Well, thanks guys. But, I KNOW about the entire current line of merchandise. I'm talking about a single company (i.e. Four Horsemen, DC Direct, Bowen, etc.) putting out a line dedicated to the entire history of the series....not just ANOTHER variation on Eccleston and bloody Tennant.
And, that $150 Hartnell statue looks nothing like him, and somewehat zombified. They must be out of their fucking minds to charge that much.
Jerry, I have the talking Tom Baker and K-9, still in its box in my closet. My wife gave it to me when we were still dating.
I also have an old Dapol 7th Doctor "figure" (and I use that loosely, as it resembles a slim chunk of plastic, seemingly painted by a five-year-old on a caffeine rush), as well as a 9th Doctor figure.
I just thought with the success of this new series, I could finally have my wish...
Well, thanks guys. But, I KNOW about the entire current line of merchandise. I'm talking about a single company (i.e. Four Horsemen, DC Direct, Bowen, etc.) putting out a line dedicated to the entire history of the series....not just ANOTHER variation on Eccleston and bloody Tennant.
And, that $150 Hartnell statue looks nothing like him, and somewehat zombified. They must be out of their fucking minds to charge that much.
Jerry, I have the talking Tom Baker and K-9, still in its box in my closet. My wife gave it to me when we were still dating.
I also have an old Dapol 7th Doctor "figure" (and I use that loosely, as it resembles a slim chunk of plastic, seemingly painted by a five-year-old on a caffeine rush), as well as a 9th Doctor figure.
I just thought with the success of this new series, I could finally have my wish...
Glad you got the talking Doctor and K- 9! It's easily the best Dr. Who toy ever!
I do not like anything Dapol except the TARDIS I got from them. It's about 7 or 8 inches tall. Detail is very good!
The Dapol figures themselves look more like those tiny HO railroad figures.. you know, the ones with almost no facial details!
The Hartnell statue is very disappointing. I would not want it even if I could have it for free. Detail on it is as you said.
If someone could manufacture 8" or 9" Dr Who figures that were at least as good as the 9" Star Trek figures, I would buy them.
Been catching up on Who this weekend. I've had the whole series downloaded but couldn't get interested enough to watch them. The Lazarus Experiment was pretty good. Humans trying to regenerate like Timelords. 42 was good too. Nothing to get too worked up over, but enjoyable.
I just got through watching Human Nature and The Family of Blood and have to say that these two impressed me the most. It's solid, classic Sci-Fi about human nature. It really reminded me of Alan Moore's For the Man Who Has Everything. I also like that they're bringing out the darker elements of the Doctor as shown by his 'punishment' for the family at the end.
The show seems to have picked up. Hopefully the rest of the season doesn't take a nose dive. If they can keep this going, I might actually have to buy this DVD set when it comes out.
Okay, just watched the last three episodes. I was actually enjoying them. The different take on the Master was good, but not what I'd want as a permanent counter-point to this Doctor. But I was actually digging the story until.............
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT GODDAMN PETER PAN CLIMAX?! Clap real hard if you want the Doctor to live. Bullshit! Davies, how about reading a fucking book to understand how stories are supposed to work? For fuck's sake, all he can ever do is overload a story so much that he has to pull some deus ex machina bullshit to clean up his own mess. For fuck sake, it's the series one finale all over again. I'll be glad when that douche bag is off the show.
SPOILERS/Season Three Discussion (still upcoming on Sci-Fi)
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
I just got through watching Human Nature and The Family of Blood and have to say that these two impressed me the most. It's solid, classic Sci-Fi about human nature. It really reminded me of Alan Moore's For the Man Who Has Everything.
Nice! I never thought of that. It's actually based off of a Doctor Who novel by the same name. In the book, it's McCoy instead of Tennant. But, you're right. It was a great, old-school Who.
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I also like that they're bringing out the darker elements of the Doctor as shown by his 'punishment' for the family at the end.
Fucking chills. Loved it.
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
Blink just proves that Steven Moffat understands Doctor Who and the possibilities it opens up a million times more than Davies.
Undeniably.
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
Okay, just watched the last three episodes. I was actually enjoying them. The different take on the Master was good, but not what I'd want as a permanent counter-point to this Doctor.
Actually, I dug the shit out of him (as you can see by my avatar). I don't know. I don't want to discuss the details too much until it's aired on Sci-Fi. No reason to spoil anything.
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WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT GODDAMN PETER PAN CLIMAX?! Clap real hard if you want the Doctor to live. Bullshit! Davies, how about reading a fucking book to understand how stories are supposed to work? For fuck's sake, all he can ever do is overload a story so much that he has to pull some deus ex machina bullshit to clean up his own mess. For fuck sake, it's the series one finale all over again. I'll be glad when that douche bag is off the show.
Yeah, it burns, doesn't it? Every single thing EXCEPT 'Jesus Doctor' was fucking awesome. That one part didn't ruin anything for me, but it certainly stuck out like a sore thumb...
I wonder if we'll see more of the spheres (chocglafane?). To me that made the series 3 finale very unsettling. Got to admit that I really enjoyed the build up & liked how it all panned out in the end. (except the whole fate of the spheres deal) Yeah it was deus ex machina time but the characters had to go through so much to get there. Rose only had to look into the heart of the Tardis while poor Martha had to travel around on her own for a year after averything goes kablewey.
It was neat & fitting to hear the Scissors Sister's "I can't decide" in the finale btw. There was also a song in the second part that sounded familiar but I couldn't place it.
Okay, just watched the last three episodes. I was actually enjoying them. The different take on the Master was good, but not what I'd want as a permanent counter-point to this Doctor.
Actually, I dug the shit out of him (as you can see by my avatar). I don't know. I don't want to discuss the details too much until it's aired on Sci-Fi. No reason to spoil anything.
I didn't dislike it. I just thought that you didn't need an over-the-top Master for and over-the-top Doctor. He'd been perfect against Colin Baker or Peter Davidson.
Rose only had to look into the heart of the Tardis while poor Martha had to travel around on her own for a year after averything goes kablewey.
That's another thing that pissed me off about that. Why the hell did they have to go through all that bullshit when, in the end, all Jack did was shoot the damn paradox machine with a fucking machine gun? They couldn't have done that to begin with?
Rose only had to look into the heart of the Tardis while poor Martha had to travel around on her own for a year after averything goes kablewey.
That's another thing that pissed me off about that. Why the hell did they have to go through all that bullshit when, in the end, all Jack did was shoot the damn paradox machine with a fucking machine gun? They couldn't have done that to begin with?
Good point. The writer should have thrown in a line early on where the master suggests the parodox machine is crucial to the human race somehow.
Okay, just watched the last three episodes. I was actually enjoying them. The different take on the Master was good, but not what I'd want as a permanent counter-point to this Doctor.
Actually, I dug the shit out of him (as you can see by my avatar). I don't know. I don't want to discuss the details too much until it's aired on Sci-Fi. No reason to spoil anything.
I didn't dislike it. I just thought that you didn't need an over-the-top Master for and over-the-top Doctor. He'd been perfect against Colin Baker or Peter Davidson.
Roger Delgado will always be THE Master to me. All others are good, but he created the role, and he still owns it!
Okay, just watched the last three episodes. I was actually enjoying them. The different take on the Master was good, but not what I'd want as a permanent counter-point to this Doctor.
Actually, I dug the shit out of him (as you can see by my avatar). I don't know. I don't want to discuss the details too much until it's aired on Sci-Fi. No reason to spoil anything.
I didn't dislike it. I just thought that you didn't need an over-the-top Master for and over-the-top Doctor. He'd been perfect against Colin Baker or Peter Davidson.
Roger Delgado will always be THE Master to me. All others are good, but he created the role, and he still owns it!
Roger Delgado will always be THE Master to me. All others are good, but he created the role, and he still owns it!
Me too. I really didn't like Ainley all that much. Delgado was awesome.
The Doctor travels through both time and space anywhere through normal space and exo-space and the alternate dimensions in the TARDIS. (TARDIS - Time And Relative Dimensions In Space.)
It seems that the Doctor “stole” his old Type 40 from his home planet - Gallifrey. The “old girl” is probably past her best and the Doctor spends his life repairing and tinkering with her works. It has broken down frequently and rarely goes where the Doctor wants. The Time Lords track the TARDIS’s movements and have taken control of the machine on more than one occasion. They could recover the TARDIS if they really wanted it back from the Doctor. The Doctor has said that there is a Recall Circuit but this has only been used on three occasions in the Timelords’ history. It has also been known for the Timelords to remove the Main Time Element to disable the machine.
The TARDIS also has a life and a mind of its own. It is not unknown for the controls to operate themselves. It also plays a part in his regenerations and the Doctor has said that he could not survive without it. The Doctor and the TARDIS communicate telepathically and different TARDIS can “talk” to one another. The TARDIS can even project the Doctors thoughts to his companions. If he is in the TARDIS, the Doctor places his hands on two circular discs on the console to activate the telepathic circuits.
There were 305 TARDIS and the other 304 have been de-commissioned. The register shows an entry against the Doctors machine that reads “Reference Malfeasance Tribunal Order dated 309906”. Two Timelords, Rassilon and Omega were jointly responsible for the feat of temporal engineering that makes time travel possible.
The TARDIS travels through time by dematerialising and entering the Temporal Vortex. This allows it to travel through the Space-Time Continuum and then rematerialise at its destination. The Doctor tells us that his TARDIS uses a Mark 1 dematerialisation circuit.
The TARDIS exterior is supposed to metamorphoses into an object that is not out of place in its new surroundings. However, the Chameleon Circuit broke down whilst visiting 1960s London and is now stuck in the shape of an out-of-date police box. The plasmatic outer shell should be capable of assuming any shape and varying size. It may be noted that other Time Lord time capsules seen during the various adventures do, indeed, conceal themselves. The TARDIS is surrounded by a force field that makes it virtually indestructible. This is a double curtain trimonic barrier.
All travellers in the TARDIS remark on the fact that the interior of the machine is much larger than the outside. This is because the TARDIS is “dimensionally transcendental” and the exterior and interior exist in separate dimensions which means they do not have to relate in size. The Time Vector Generator is a gold tipped rod about 18 inches long fitted inside a compartment close to the main doors. If it is removed, the TARDIS interior reverts to normal size relative to its exterior. The Doctor has used the TVG’s energy as a projectable beam weapon or for boosting communcations in emergancies.
The Relative Dimensional Stabiliser is part of the TARDIS control system that allows the ship to cross dimensional boundaries. The Doctor has used it to reduce himself and companions to microscopic size.
The TARDIS is controlled by the Doctor from a hexagonal central column in the control room with its famous roundelled walls. The Emergency Unit is a box that plugs into the central column and when turned on takes the TARDIS out of Space-Time and beyond reality. The TARDIS also has the Hostile Action Displacement System which, if set, will detect serious hazards and automatically move to another location. The TARDIS carries a canvas bag Medical Kit which contains a deep-healing beam.
Early in the TV series, the Doctor speaks of the Time Rotor in the console that slows down when the TARDIS is “landing”. He explained that it takes 12 minutes for the TARDIS computers to reorientate and gather power before it can leave again.
There is also a Secondary Control Room which is wood-panelled with a smaller central console that has hinged panels covering the controls. It also contains a library, garden, swimming pool and a cricket pavilion.
Now, laer this year, IDW will begin publishing a new title based on the tenth Doctor, with stories by TV show script writer Gary Russell and art by Nick Roche. We sat down with Russell, Roche and IDW boss Chris Ryall to get the basics about their plans. Here's what they had to say:
Newsarama: When growing up, who was your favorite Doctor, and why?
Chris Ryall: Growing up in California, the only Doctor I was ever aware of--and this was only because of the Marvel Comic or the occasional airings on Public Television--was Tom Baker's 4th Doctor. I never saw any others until Sci Fi started airing the new show here, although I've seen been getting familiar with all the Doctors.
Nick Roche: Only a casual viewer as a nipper, never quite managing to win a battle for television supremacy against my soap-watching mother. So the only one I got see with any degree of consistency was Peter Davidson's Doctor, though I caught some Pertwee action a few years previous to Nu-Who and really liked it.
Gary Russell: As a child of the late 60s/70s, Jon Pertwee was the one for me. Dashing, sophisticated, heroic and clever. Pertwee I mean, not me. I've never been any of those things.
NRAMA: How did your affection for that Doctor effect what you're doing to this comic?
CRI really loved the new show (with Chris Eccleston) when it started airing here, and I'll admit that David Tennant's 10th Doctor has quickly become my favorite of them all. So I'm ecstatic to be telling stories featuring he and Martha, as well as revisiting some of the great stories from years past, mostly due to the wonderful Dave Gibbons artwork.
NR: As I mentioned, not a great deal of direct exposure growing up, but the concept is pretty unbeatable. Hell, I even like the 96 Movie, though possibly more out of a fondness for Paul McGann than anything else. His was the first I took an interest in, though general pop-culture knowledge fills in a lot of Doctor Who blanks. I just wanted to be involved in a chapter of something that's been cool for forty-plus years.
GR: Not at all - this series is different from everything that went before, so you adapt to suit the current environment. That said, of course it is all the same show in spirit. But then again so's Claremont's X-Men, Liefield's X-Men, Morrison's X-Men and Whedon's X-Men. And yet all of those runs are 'of their time', so you borrow a bit here, a bit there but then remold it to suit what you need to tell the story today. If can totally slaughter my analogy quotient, it's one big sandbox - we're playing with the same toys, but each kid repaints them to suit their taste. With Doctor Who, I'm hoping I don't accidentally pick up the paint pot marked SHOCKING DAY-GLO GREEN and produce something unrecognizable.
NRAMA This version features David Tennant's tenth Doctor and…which companion?
CR: Right - We're starting with the 10th Doctor and Martha. He's the current Doctor, so this makes the most sense, especially for comics that will be distributed to the American market.
GR: Can't get enough Martha. As for Tennant, 'cos he's the current one, simple as that. It's about putting characters from one medium into a totally different, and utilizing the strengths (and weaknesses) the new medium has to offer. So I gain from a bigger budget, more extras and louder bangs, yet the storytelling has to be as concise, clever and charming as the TV show is, but in a wholly different way. I have now just scared myself beyond belief...
NRAMA: Should this comic be considered canon to the entire Who universe?
CR: Canon is a funny thin, and means different things to different people--I say, if you like the stories, they're canon. But beyond that, everything Gary writes is blessed by Russell T. Davies personally, which I would think "canonizes" them even more.
NR: This comic overwrites both the current BBC series and all previous iterations. Maybe.
GR: Canon is down to individual taste. I like to believe it is the readers' job to decide on canon-icity - this, by the way, is me ducking this thorny issue!
NRAMA: Chris, what's the publishing plan here - monthly? Ongoing? Miniseries?
CR: We'll start with a miniseries that leads off with standalone stories... "episodes," if you will. And we'll also be reissuing the Dave Gibbons-drawn comics from the past, each featuring all-new coloring.
NRAMA: What was the most fun element about doing this?
CR: Doctor Who is just so perfect for comic books, and it's exciting to be doing new Who comics for the American market for the first time in decades.
NR: I'm having fun stripping down reference photos and turning Mr Tennant and Ms Agyeman into fully-fledged comic characters while still retaining their likeness. It's a challenge, but coming up with interesting results.
GR: Writing comics. Seriously. I had a brief paddle in the pool when I worked for Marvel UK back in their '92 explosion until the '94 implosion, but this is my two lifelong passions colliding magnificently. And Nick Roche - without turning this into an Oscar speech, working with Nick is great 'cos he's collaborative and not precious. Yet...
NRAMA: What was the most difficult part about doing this?
CRWe'll see... we're just getting rolling, so right now, it's all "honeymoon period."
NR: The likenesses again, weirdly. Optimus Prime 's cheekbones aren't quite as tricky to get right as Tennant's.
GR: Difficult? No one told me there'd be difficult moments...
NRAMA: Finally, what can you tell us about the plot? Does it involve the Master, Daleks, another good old nemesis or someone/thing new?
CR: I know we'd like to do some new things and not just fall right back on old tropes, but beyond that, I'll let Gary comment on things to whatever degree he'd like to tease things.
GR: Old monsters are all very well, but using the big guns like Daleks, Cybermen, the Master - it's a bit gauche. If you're going to use recognizable elements from the show - and I think you should where the story allows it - [it should be] a story that enables you to go "oooh I could put MONSTER X in here, that'd be cool" over to "oooh I need to write a story about MONSTER X") now and again, because people like to spot elements they're familiar with, then they need to be fun. Our first issue does feature something from the current show, and a later issue or two features something from waaaaay back in the series history, but these things should be done sparingly or it's no longer an event, it's the norm. And normal is dull. This will all come back to bite me, won't it...
Actually, this two-part Dalek story sucks. It's quite possibly the worst episodes the new series has produced. Certainly the worst of the season. Just get through them, and I promise the season will pick back up instantly...
I saw the episode called " Daleks in Manhattan " tonight.
It was only ok.
I was not impressed by the Pig dudes.
Maybe part two will be better next Friday.
I do like seeing the Daleks, though.
I thought the second part was better but out of the season this two parter wasn't the greatest. However things pick up & build constantly to the end & left me looking forward to series 4.
BBC Worldwide is delighted to announce that Character Options, one of the UK’s leading toy companies, will be launching a fantastic range of classic Doctor Who figures. The 5” figures range will initially include detailed replicas of classic Doctors, plus a number of monsters and will be launched in the spring of 2008. As master toy licensee Character has enjoyed immense success alongside BBC Worldwide through its Doctor Who range of products and predicts a hugely positive response to the new collection. Commented Jon Diver, Joint Managing Director at Character Group: "The resounding success of the Doctor Who TV series is made up of both new and existing Doctor Who fans. We have reacted to public demand and will be producing a range to the depth and quality of our existing line. The classic licence will broaden the collectibility and enhance the position of the brand.” Also, it was revealed on the forums at Outpost Gallifrey that "(pending approvals) there are 3 Doctors and 5 and 1/2 villains in the first Wave….work that one out!"
Action Figure Insider Character Options has done a great job with the new series so this is very good news.
This is the list for wave 1 of the classic Doctor Who action figures.
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Dr Who Classic 5” Carded figure Range - Wave 1 1/ The 4th Dr in Red velvet jacket (Circa: Revenge of the Cybermen 1974) Two interchangeable heads (with and without hat) NB. this is because removable hats are impossible to do well at this scale 2/ The 5th Doctor (Circa: Resurrection of the Daleks 1984) Shorter hair version 3/ The 6th Dr in patchwork frock coat (Circa: Attack of the Cybermen 1985) Early shorter hair version 4/ The Sea Devil (Story: The Sea Devils) Original version with string vest 5/ Zygon (Story: Terror of the Zygons ) Character - Broton – played by John Woodnut With Skarassen control device accessory 6/ Voc Robots Twin pack (Story: Robots of Death) SV-7 (Super Voc) and D-84 (Dum Class) 7/ Magnus Greel and Mr Sin Twin pack (Story: Talons of Weng Chiang)"
I might not get all the villians in later waves but plan on getting the whole first wave. Hopefully we'll see some companions later on. A Leela figure would have to be guarenteed to sell to the collectors market.
Man, Empty Child/Doctor Dances is one of the best Who episodes ever made. Ever. Definitely catch the second part. It's damn awesome!
The Lazarus Experiment was old-school-style Who. I really enjoyed seeing Mark Gatiss actually get to act in Who, not just write episodes (he wrote The Unquiet Dead in season one...the one with Charles Dickens). He said that there were parts he was trying to mimic Peter Davison in his performance. Ha!
Man, Empty Child/Doctor Dances is one of the best Who episodes ever made. Ever. Definitely catch the second part. It's damn awesome!
The Lazarus Experiment was old-school-style Who. I really enjoyed seeing Mark Gatiss actually get to act in Who, not just write episodes (he wrote The Unquiet Dead in season one...the one with Charles Dickens). He said that there were parts he was trying to mimic Peter Davison in his performance. Ha!
I have not been as excited about watching DR Who since the late 80's when they were still showing Tom Baker - Jon Pertwee - Patrick Troughton and William Hartnell on PBS.
The new episodes are every bit as good as those old ones to me.
Speaking of Patrick Troughton, I saw him in a movie last night - " The Black Night ", starring Alan Ladd, made in 1954, on TCM.
Troughton had a bit part but he was always deserving of bigger, more interesting roles, IMO. Peter Cushing played the bad guy in this movie. As you know, Cushing starred as DR Who in that dreadful movie from 1965 - what was it called? " Dr Who and The Daleks " ?
That's it! The Omen. I knew it was one of those. His grandson is in the Harry Potter movies. I think he's the human kid that Harry lives with, or something. I'm not sure.
That's it! The Omen. I knew it was one of those. His grandson is in the Harry Potter movies. I think he's the human kid that Harry lives with, or something. I'm not sure.
And yes Jerry, that is indeed Jack O'Neill.
Anderson was the only good actor in that show. The rest could barley read their cue cards. Now their bring Tapping to SG Atlantis.
I don't know, Lothar. While RDA is The Man, I dig some Michael Shanks. He took a James Spader impersonation and expanded on it.
But, yeah, if there is a weak acting link it's Tapping. Still, what are you worried about? SGA needs all the help it can get. The only good actor on that show is McKay...
SGA is weak-sauce compared to SG1, in my opinion. I'm just waiting for the two DVD movies coming out next year...
SGA is quite weak compared to SG 1; it does not have personalities that are strong, and it lacks O'Niel, who, as has been said before, is the best actor on SG 1.
I do not think SGA will last ten years as SG 1 did.
I just bought a Colonel O'Niel figure on Ebay. One without a hat. He will go next to my Farscape figures.. kinda fitting as Ben Browder and Claudia Black both wound up on Sg-1.
They am gonna have to bring in Worf to fix that show too.
Heh. The DS-9 reruns on Spike are almost up to the episode where Worf joined the show. I think it was a 2 part called " Way Of The Warrior. " 1 st episode, season 4.
there's a whole section on Who in the current Toyfare. nothing you guys don't already know, but some nice pics.
Yeah, I picked that issue up just because I saw "Doctor Who" on the cover, and I was like "....Toyfare??". I was actually very impressed with the article. It's perfect for anyone who has never seen the show. AND, whoever wrote the article sure as hell did their research. It wasn't a "Mike Cotton Special", if you know what I mean...
I flip through it periodically. they still seem to know their stuff whereas Wi$ just seems to become more and more hype and "Cottonesque" . . .I can't even call it reporting. . .melodramatic fluff?
And, yeah, Wi$ard is a fucking joke. They're so bent on being some kind of Hollywood connection, it's fucking embarrassing. I especially love how they're the only ones that have a review line for the Doctor Strange animated shitfest. Of COURSE they love it. It's Marvel. Quesada could catch a load on a towel and they would call it "magic from beginning to breathtaking end!"
Honestly, jokes aside...have you ever watched any SG1? I'm not talking about the weak-sister 'Stargate Atlantis'. I mean, Stargate SG-1? And if so, and you disliked it, why? Is it "too American"? Seriously, I'm actually curious as to your thoughts on it...
I watched SG1 when it was first shown here. It was just another US sci-fi show. Years ago I loved pretty much any US tv show that came out, these days its hard to sort out the chafe from the wheat. Too much shit, and not enough truly good stuff!
To each their own really. I mean, I, like many, loved Buffy & Angel, but you hate them with a passion.
I just think the sci-fi genre from the US was killed by having about a million different Star Trek shows, and anything else (SG1, DS9, Firefly and Battlestar all spring to mind), just leaves me cold!
Its like the fact that theres all those shows like CSI and all its spin offs. I couldnt stomach most of those shows, but then I stumbled on Bones, which I loved!
I hear you on the CSI stuff. I mean, holy fuck, could we MAKE another Law & Order style show?
If the American television and movie industry does anything well, it's overkill and over-saturation of a product.
I can see where Trek's like Voyager and Enterprise were "one too far". I think TOS is amusing, and I like Next Gen. DS9 had the most balls, sex, and violence of any of them, and I think it's my favorite. But, I can see where someone who doesn't like Trek gets exhausted from seeing them going back to the well all the time.
SG1 is fun, if you don't take it all that seriously. Was it the best sci-fi ever? Nah. But, after a couple of years of the show, I found that I was watching it for the characters more than anything else. Anderson and Co. really did a good job in making you feel like those four were "family". I think that's why I like it so much.
However, I can't see how anyone canNOT love the current Battlestar Galactica. I guess if hardcore, realistic drama that escapes all cliches and really takes actual chances in the writing is not your cup of tea, then, sure. If you're not into sci-fi for some gut punches, then it's definitely best to avoid the show. It's a sobering powerhouse in my opinion.
Sci-fi is best served in small doses! Sadly the entertainment industry believes "If something is successful, lets make lots more of that type of thing!"
I love the science fiction genre. However you have to separate the good from the bad, just like any other genre.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Sadly the entertainment industry believes "If something is successful, lets make lots more of that type of thing!"
This is more the problem than singling out one type of genre.
But sci-fi is a notoriously tricky genre. Its never been the most popular genre amongst the general populace, and amongst the sci-fi faithful, its gotta be spot on or you've got a geek war on your hands!
But sci-fi is a notoriously tricky genre. Its never been the most popular genre amongst the general populace, and amongst the sci-fi faithful, its gotta be spot on or you've got a geek war on your hands!
Not true. There was a big Sci-fi boom in the late 70's-80's. Or are you unfamiliar with the likes of Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, Alien & Aliens, and The Terminator? It just that with other niche genres like Westerns, Noir, War, and Teen Sex Comedies that Sci-fi has moved in and out of the public interest depending upon what kind of Sci-fi they're being given. I mean, look at recent Hollywood movies that have done very well: I, Robot, Minority Report, Transformers, and War of the Worlds.
20 great sci-fi movies in the last few decades does not make up for the 5,000,000 bad sci-fi movies made every year (pretty much anything on the Sci-Fi channel).
But it definitely deflates your argument that Sci-fi has never been popular. The fact is that with any genre, you can name a shitload of terrible entrants into the form; and they'll far outweigh the good. That has no reflection on the genre itself. It just means that the people using it are inept in the actual medium they're working in (film, TV, books, etc.). How many shitty garage bands are there? Does that mean that we should classify rock or metal as being unpopular genres because not everyone creating material in those two genres are instant successes and multi-millionaires?
It has never been the most popular of genres, hence the big risk when Lucas and TCF released Star Wars. What then happens is every other studio piggy backs off that success until everyone realises that they dont like sci-fi that much!
The music thing about metal/rock does not hold up. Since the early 70s, whether it be old school metal, glam, punk, emo or nu-metal, there has always been a strong prescence in the media. Sci-Fi films as a medium has always been hit or miss, which is why a film like T2 (remember the original was only a cult hit, not a huge success) is not marketed as sci-fi, but marketed as an action movie!
Its widely aknowledged that sci-fi tends to be a cult genre.
Did Minority report or I-Robot succeed because of what they were or who was in it?
Is Transformers marketed as a sci-fi movie or is it marketed as a toy spin off?
It has never been the most popular of genres, hence the big risk when Lucas and TCF released Star Wars.
Because, at the time, Sci-fi was not a viable genre. Just like Westerns weren't big box office winners in the 90's with few exceptions. Then, they became very popular and made money.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
What then happens is every other studio piggy backs off that success until everyone realises that they dont like sci-fi that much!
They don't like Sci-fi, or they don't like the Sci-fi they're getting.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
The music thing about metal/rock does not hold up. Since the early 70s, whether it be old school metal, glam, punk, emo or nu-metal, there has always been a strong prescence in the media.
So why did hair metal die off the 90's and get replaced by Grunge? Why aren't all metal bands instant hits and millionaires the second they release an album?
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Sci-Fi films as a medium has always been hit or miss, which is why a film like T2 (remember the original was only a cult hit, not a huge success) is not marketed as sci-fi, but marketed as an action movie!
Actually, The Terminator was a blockbuster hit. Roughly a seven million dollar budget and almost forty million in domestic box office returns for 1984. Anything with robots fighting, especially one made of liquid metal (a big part of the marketing campaign) is going to undoubtedly register as science fiction in any viewer's mind even if crosses genres into action.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Its widely aknowledged that sci-fi tends to be a cult genre.
Did Minority report or I-Robot succeed because of what they were or who was in it?
Is Transformers marketed as a sci-fi movie or is it marketed as a toy spin off?
I agree that shows like Babylon 5 and Stargate SG-1 tend to create a cult frenzy about it. That still does not mean that people outside of these Spock dressed masses don't watch these shows either. I've know many people who are, by far, not Sci-fi nerds or tend to grab onto a show just because it's Sci-fi who have enjoyed Star Trek, Stargate, and Farscape. It's not a genre shunned by the public. It's one that accepted and followed when the material is good, just like any other genre. And those movies succeeded because of the same reason that most Hollywood movies succeeded. Sci-fi is, once again, no different than any other genre or movie.
And I'd like to repeat that when you have robots fighting, especially if they're giant alien robots that turn into cars and jets, the concept of science fiction immediately pops into people's heads.
This was on tonight..The Doctor and Martha end up on a space ship that is due to crash into it's sun, and they and the crew have 42 minutes to prevent this from happening.. it was very good, very full of action.
I like .. a lot!
And the sub plot with Martha's mom is getting more and more intriguing.
The story was quite good. It moved quickly, and every scene moved the plot forward.. there was no dragging of story. Not one line or even one second of episode was wasted.
Loved how Jack had a big part in helping the Doctor.
Loved how the Doctor solved the mystery of the child and the nanite thingies.
And how elated he was that everything was put right at the end.
Jack adds a lot to the series.
Overall, this has to be the BEST episode I've seen.
Boomtown
Seen it before, loved this one, too.
And this time, the TARDIS itself saved the day.
Brilliant.
Micky ( to Jack ) :" What are you captain of? Innuendos? "
heh.. About time a gay (or in Jack's case, bi ) character was in the show.. not just for the sake of having a gay ( or bi ) character, but to have an excellent character who is " Quite flexible."
Hard to believe I was indifferent to the show at first, as I love it now, about as much as when I first started watching Dr Who in 1983.
The Empty Child/Doctor Dances is one of the best Who stories ever made. Period. And, Captain Jack is the twenty-first century "Brigadier". He's one of the most solid characters Who has created in the entire history of the series...
The problem with new Who is Russell T Davies really can't write science fiction. He is great with characters but the plots always fail at the end with a big shitty deus ex machina. The third series was fairly average until the second two parter, then it was great until the finale. It was only the episodes that broke the new formula that worked, longer stories, hardly any doctor in one episode!I'd love them to do a Christmas special old style, 4 half hour episodes with time for the story to develop and flow, and a lot less running down corridors with the camera at a funny angle!
Something or someone called " The Family " is able to pursue the Doctor and Martha across time and space.
The Doctor erases his memory and alters his biochemistry so as to appear human. He has a pocket watch that, once Martha ( who still retains all her memories of the TARDIS, etc, ) opens it in the presence of the Doctor, who now has the job of teacher at a boarding school in 1913 England and believes this is all he is.
The Doctor falls in love with a woman; Martha is upset.. because it was not her that he fell in love with!
A kid at the school steals the watch and gets the Doctor's memories instead.
The family has landed nearby, and is taking over or duplicating townspeople. They are looking for the Doctor. They go to a dance where the Doctor, Martha and the kid who stole the watch are at.
They know from their spies that the teacher is actually a timelord.
They grab and put a gun to the head of the woman whom the Doctor loves, and to Martha's head.. and give him a choice: Which one do they kill?
THis is part one.. and we must wait two weeks to see part two.
Something or someone called " The Family " is able to pursue the Doctor and Martha across time and space.
The Doctor erases his memory and alters his biochemistry so as to appear human. He has a pocket watch that, once Martha ( who still retains all her memories of the TARDIS, etc, ) opens it in the presence of the Doctor, who now has the job of teacher at a boarding school in 1913 England and believes this is all he is.
The Doctor falls in love with a woman; Martha is upset.. because it was not her that he fell in love with!
A kid at the school steals the watch and gets the Doctor's memories instead.
The family has landed nearby, and is taking over or duplicating townspeople. They are looking for the Doctor. They go to a dance where the Doctor, Martha and the kid who stole the watch are at.
They know from their spies that the teacher is actually a timelord.
They grab and put a gun to the head of the woman whom the Doctor loves, and to Martha's head.. and give him a choice: Which one do they kill?
THis is part one.. and we must wait two weeks to see part two.
I like this one a lot!
Yeah, this was where the 3rd season got good. Barely puts a foot wrong until the finale.
I think the only mis-step Season Three made was that gawdawful Dalek two-parter. That was easily one of the worst Who's I've ever sat through in the history of the entire series. It was like Time & the Rani with a big budget. Horrid!
Human Nature is, indeed, one of the finer episodes ever crafted. I can't believe SciFi is making people wait two weeks to see the finale. It's a damn great story, no matter. :yep:
BTW, Jerry....did you catch the pics in John Smith's book he had made? If not, peer below...
And again, I don't watch Who for the female eye-candy. If Tate is a good companion, then she's a good companion. If she's not, then yeah she's worthless. But, I'll actually wait and watch the episodes before I make judgment. Say what you will about Tegan (and we have), but she is considered the definitive Davison companion. I'm okay with this type of shift. Not every one has to be a supermodel. Besides, Freema's back halfway through the season...
I used to get mean boners for Sarah Jane. I was like, twelve, or something. I probably got mean boners from wind shifts and a sneeze. Anyway...
Jaburg, I can't believe you hadn't watched Blink yet. Moffat continues to crank out the pure gold.
Doc...you are surprisingly quiet about Who these days. I mean, besides our mutual hatred of RTD, that is. Talk to me about Who. What have you liked? Disliked? Have you seen the entirety of Season Three yet? Speak Fellow Whovian!
According to the original rumors, BBC considered re-launching the show through a series of tele-movies based on the 1996 movie that was produced in conjunction with the American Fox network. If the tie-in project was to go ahead, the standalone stories would have bridged the gap between the classic "Doctor Who" years with the current series, and it would've do so without any known villains.
McGann told fans at the event that his time as The Doctor simply kept the franchise warm following the cancellation in 1989 with something new to keep the fans interested. And that interest is perhaps one of the reasons the series has been such a success. But to him, the main reason the show is doing so well is because of actor David Tennant.
"It’s come back because of that handsome floppy-haired bastard," McGann later joked. "I really really like him. I think he’s brilliant. And what’s more, he is a huge ‘Doctor Who’ fan and so he’s really passionate about it. I should be honest with you; I was never a huge fan. I watched a few things and ‘Doctor Who’ was one of them but I wasn’t completely passionate about it. But for David Tennant, it’s like the job of jobs to him.
"You know, if they never gave him another job, just that one, he’d be perfectly happy for all his life. You know it’s in good hands with him and he’s a wonderful actor."
Despite his high opinion of Tennant, McGann admitted that his original impression of him as an actor was slightly different, but when he was cast as The Doctor that opinion changed completely.
“I’ve only met him once," McGann said. "I met him backstage at national theater and I was introduced to him This was about four years ago, before he was doing 'Doctor Who.'
"After about two or three minutes since he’d been introduced to me I thought he was actually quite rude because he just stood in front of me and said nothing. I was beginning to feel quite uncomfortable actually. And do you know what it was? He wasn’t being rude, he was completely in awe because I was Doctor Who.
"So anyway later, six months later when he gets the gig it makes complete sense to me," McGann said with a laugh.
I used to get mean boners for Sarah Jane. I was like, twelve, or something. I probably got mean boners from wind shifts and a sneeze. Anyway...
Jaburg, I can't believe you hadn't watched Blink yet. Moffat continues to crank out the pure gold.
Doc...you are surprisingly quiet about Who these days. I mean, besides our mutual hatred of RTD, that is. Talk to me about Who. What have you liked? Disliked? Have you seen the entirety of Season Three yet? Speak Fellow Whovian!
I've already given my opinion of season three pages back. You even commented on it (insert pot hurts memory joke #297). I've got nothing new to add since I've seen nothing new. Other than the fact that I wasn't doing shit at work today and started streaming The Talons of Weng-Chiang through my Netflix account.
Mine are; Genesis of the Daleks, City of Death, Androids of Tara, The Invasion of Time, Face of Evil, The Creature From the Pit, Shada(or rather what there is of Shada)
Apparently, Tennet's contract is not only up at the end of the 4th season, but he's signed a contract with a theatrical company that could keep him busy during the next season of Whom filming.
THere's also apparently a Davros story next season with Davros pre-wheelchair with Ben Kingsley rumored to take over the Davros character.
Davidson is supposed to make an appearance as his Doctor during the Children in Need speicial that may also lead into a whole episode in the actual season.
The Brigadereer & Unit are supposed to show up in Torchwood before reappearing in the regular Who show.
With Davies approaching his last season, he's supposed to finish the Time War concept to leave an open slate for the following team.
The BBC confirmed that after Season Four, the show will take a one-year break to allow Tennant the time to go do the Shakespeare thing. There will be three 90 minute specials starring Tennant's Doctor during this year gap, and RTD is writing all three. Then, Season Five will start back up again the next year in full force. No word on whether it will be Tennant or the next Doctor.
I've heard about the Davison thing, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Had NOT heard about the Brigadier/UNIT storyline. But, if they do it, I'll be all the fuck over it...
I'd assume from the fact they are taking a years break so Tennant can do other stuff, that as it stands, they expect Tennant to be back, otherwise they would just replace him straight away!
After months of media speculation, the BBC can confirm that the BAFTA award-winning Doctor Who will return for a fifth series in Spring 2010.
Viewers are in for a treat this Christmas, as a special episode starring David Tennant and Kylie Minogue will be broadcast on BBC One in December 2007.
Series Four, which went into production in July 2007, will hit UK screens in Spring 2008, followed by a special episode for Christmas 2008.
In 2009 Doctor Who will return with three specials starring David Tennant, with Head Writer, Russell T Davies.
The full-length fifth series will transmit in 2010.
Jane Tranter, Controller, BBC Fiction, says: "Doctor Who is one of the BBC's best loved and most successful dramas. Its journey over the past three series has been one of the most ambitious and exciting that we have had, and I'm delighted to be able to confirm not only three exciting specials for 2009, but a fifth series in 2010. "
Menna Richards, Controller, BBC Wales, says: "The success of Doctor Who is a fantastic tribute to the dedication and expertise of the production team at BBC Wales who have worked on the project from the outset. This announcement is marvellous news for all involved, and more importantly for the programme's amazing fan base and audience. BBC Wales is looking forward to producing the fifth series."
Following the critically acclaimed season three finale, the BBC has announced that Catherine Tate is set to return to the TARDIS for the complete 13-week run of series four, reprising her role as Donna from the 2006 Christmas special.
Freema Agyeman, who won praise for her portrayal of Martha Jones in series three, is also set to return mid series four.
I bought ROBOT and SURVIVAL on DVD recently. Damn good behind-the-scenes stuff. I think Baker has finally sobered up in his old age. He's making sense in interviews now...
This was the conclusion of Human Nature. SPOILERS!!!
It was worth the two weeks wait!
In a word, the episode was magnificent!
I love how the Doctor did not want to be the Doctor again, and stay John Smith and have a wife and family.
But he knew he had a responsibility to the universe to be the Doctor again.
He had a destiny to fulfill.. and, not much unlike Jesus, he chose what he had to do over what he would have wanted to do.
Wow....
Loved the end bit with giving the kid the watch... and how it saved his life in WW1.. the watch gave him a gift of the Timelords.. a bit of their knowledge.. not much,but just enough to make a difference in his life and in the lives of others.
I still have the music from the last 2 minutes of it in my head...
This has to be one of the best Who episodes I have ever seen.
And next week's is Stephen Moffat's episode for this season. He's the guy who wrote that WWII two-parter Empty Child/Doctor Dances that introduced Captain Jack. He also wrote The Girl in the Fireplace in Season Two. In other words, everything he writes turns to gold. I seriously suggest you check it out.
In fact, pretty much the entire rest of the season rocks. However, knowing Sci-Fi like I do, I would suggest you steer clear of Next Episode Previews for the rest of the season. After Blink, it's a three-parter season finale...
Cant be arsed to read before last post as I AM FUCKING PISSED OFF THE NEXT SEASON AINT A SEASON JUST THREE "SPECIALS" THEN WE GET NEXT SEASON A YEAR LATER MODIFIED TOO BBC JUST LOVES TO FUCK WITH DOCTOR WHO FANS!
This was the conclusion of Human Nature. SPOILERS!!!
It was worth the two weeks wait!
In a word, the episode was magnificent!
I love how the Doctor did not want to be the Doctor again, and stay John Smith and have a wife and family.
But he knew he had a responsibility to the universe to be the Doctor again.
He had a destiny to fulfill.. and, not much unlike Jesus, he chose what he had to do over what he would have wanted to do.
Wow....
Loved the end bit with giving the kid the watch... and how it saved his life in WW1.. the watch gave him a gift of the Timelords.. a bit of their knowledge.. not much,but just enough to make a difference in his life and in the lives of others.
I still have the music from the last 2 minutes of it in my head...
This has to be one of the best Who episodes I have ever seen.
It was on again at 1 am so I watched again... damn, it was even better the second time around!
To think I took a year or two to even watch this new Doctor Who series, convinced it would suck...and look how absolutely fucking brilliant it turned out to be!
BILLIE PIPER is about to say goodbye to her kids’ favourite image for good – playing a hooker in a rubber dress and skimpy undies.
To prepare for her role she had lessons from high-class prostitutes and a dominatrix.
That’s quite a departure for the girl who burst on the scene at 15 with a bubblegum pop No1 and who went on to be Doctor Who’s assistant.
Billie, 24, is to play Belle de Jour in an ITV series, based on the jaw-dropping and best-selling diaries compiled from the call girl’s blog.
Despite intense speculation Belle, who lives and works in London, has managed to keep her identity secret.
Billie says: “It has been a real eye-opener filming this series. I met a few call girls to learn about how to play Belle. I met a courtesan, high-class hooker, dominatrix and Belle herself.
“The dominatrix was fascinating. She showed me what to do. She taught me how to do this interesting knot to tie someone’s hands without hurting them.
“A big part was learning the skills of not actually hurting someone. Now I know you avoid the chest because it puts too much pressure on the internal organs.
FRANTA!! My 4th incarnation! You were always my favrit'...
New Earth is Tennant just starting out. But, I have to say, this current season on Sci-Fi (Season 3) he really hits his stride. He's definitely The Doctor.
Torchwood's pilot is enjoyable. I like it. The rest of the season is pretty awful, though.
Did anyone watch The Graham Norton show on BBCA last night? Tennant was one of the guests. It was fucking hilarious.
Jerry, this season is like the last two: 13 episodes.
Next season (4th) will be 13 episodes.
The following season will be 3 two-hour specials to give Tennant time to go do The Royal Shakespeare Company.
The Season after that (5? 6?) will again be a full 13 episodes.
FRANTA!! My 4th incarnation! You were always my favrit'...
New Earth is Tennant just starting out. But, I have to say, this current season on Sci-Fi (Season 3) he really hits his stride. He's definitely The Doctor.
Torchwood's pilot is enjoyable. I like it. The rest of the season is pretty awful, though.
Did anyone watch The Graham Norton show on BBCA last night? Tennant was one of the guests. It was fucking hilarious.
Jerry, this season is like the last two: 13 episodes.
Next season (4th) will be 13 episodes.
The following season will be 3 two-hour specials to give Tennant time to go do The Royal Shakespeare Company.
The Season after that (5? 6?) will again be a full 13 episodes.
Or, so I've read anyway.
I watched most of the Graham Norton show, and only because Tennant was on it; I agree, it was hilarious!
Loved that bit when he grabbed the cell phone and said, " This is the Doctor."
Listen, Blink is an episode that absolutely demands a commercial-free DVD viewing. I highly, highly suggest checking it out again without commercials. The tone and pacing is so tense, the difference versus Sci-Fi's version will blow you away. I absolutely adore Blink. Once again, Stephen Moffat (The Empty Child/Doctor Dances, Girl in the Fireplace) proves that everything he writes is pure fucking gold.
Next week, the first episode of a three-part season finale begins. I would stay away from any previews, mind you...
What's truly cool is how, when the Professor is hearing voices, it's sound bytes from the past actors that have played The Master! I looooove the little details like that.
The Flight Controlled Tardis is now available for purchase. It makes all the Tardis noises, light up windows & the little lantern top. Doors open with light up interior-very cool. I picked up the interior playset a while back & while it was nice it was also really huge. This will fit on the bookshelf with the Doctor & companions!
What's truly cool is how, when the Professor is hearing voices, it's sound bytes from the past actors that have played The Master! I looooove the little details like that.
Now they just need to get Chris Eccleston and Tom Baker to do voices in Tennant's head.
What's truly cool is how, when the Professor is hearing voices, it's sound bytes from the past actors that have played The Master! I looooove the little details like that.
Now they just need to get Chris Eccleston and Tom Baker to do voices in Tennant's head.
By the way, I loved seeing Jack say "Fantastic!"
I just love seeing Jack again, period!
It was funny when the Doctor kept telling Jack " NO!" every time Jack said hello to anyone.
And I did hear the voices of previous Masters' actors.
The Flight Controlled Tardis is now available for purchase. It makes all the Tardis noises, light up windows & the little lantern top. Doors open with light up interior-very cool. I picked up the interior playset a while back & while it was nice it was also really huge. This will fit on the bookshelf with the Doctor & companions!
What's truly cool is how, when the Professor is hearing voices, it's sound bytes from the past actors that have played The Master! I looooove the little details like that.
Now they just need to get Chris Eccleston and Tom Baker to do voices in Tennant's head.
What's truly cool is how, when the Professor is hearing voices, it's sound bytes from the past actors that have played The Master! I looooove the little details like that.
Profageus, is the master a past character? My Who Knowledge is limited to the last three years so to me he's new.
What's truly cool is how, when the Professor is hearing voices, it's sound bytes from the past actors that have played The Master! I looooove the little details like that.
Profageus, is the master a past character? My Who Knowledge is limited to the last three years so to me he's new.
Yes ma'am, The Master first appeared back during the 3rd Doctor's era (David Tennant, the current Doc, is the 10th Doctor...if that gives you a bit of insight into how long The Master has been around). Like The Doctor, we don't know a lot about him. We don't know his real name, either. It has been suggested in the show that he calls himself "The Master" as some sort of taunt or stab at our hero calling himself "The Doctor".
In fact, the next episode will actually go more into detail about all of this than the series has in the past forty years. So, I won't say any more about it until you've seen it. However, below is a pic of all of The Master's on-screen incarnations (like all Time Lords, he has the ability to have at least 13 bodies during his lifetime, but we've only ever seen the ones below).
(In Order of Appearance) (L. to R. - TOP - Roger Delgado, Peter Pratt, and Anthony Ainley L. to R. -BOTTOM - Eric Roberts, Derek Jacobi, and John Simms)
Roger Delgado was the first and IMO, the best Master.
He first appeared during the Pertwee era ( 1970 - 1974 ) in 1971 in the episode called " Terror Of The Autons. " He allied himself with the Nestene, but later helps the Doctor thwart the materialization of the Nestene monster on Earth.
Roger Delgado died in a car wreck in 1973.
The crispy critter Master who appeared in an episode or two was supposed to be the Master in a failing regeneration. He appeared in the late 70's and in The Keeper Of Trakken.
Anthony Ainley took up the role in 1981, winding up on Trakken and taking over the body of Tremas ( Anagram of the word Master. ) to gain a 13 th regeneration.
Tremas was Nyssa's father. Nyssa was a companion to the 4 th and 5 th Doctors.
Anything after that, I am shakey on, but I do know that Eric Roberts played the Master in that fine 1996 movie starring McGann as the 8 th Doctor.
On an unrelated note, I just bought the 12" tall 10 th Doctor ( Tennant ) figure on Ebay. I was gonna buy the Sound effects Tardis, but I have a few Tardis's already and the figures that accompany it in the same scale are small - only 5".
I wanted the current Doctor to stand out on my shelf and at one foot tall, he certainly will.
Patrick Stewart has revealed he would love to be asked to play a role in hit sci-fi series Doctor Who.
The 67-year-old Star Trek star, who is currently playing Macbeth at London's Gielgud Theatre, said he was a fan of the long-running time travelling show, but was sad he had never been involved.
"I have been (a fan) actually yes, and deeply dismayed that I was never asked to be in it! I think it's a terrific series," he said.
My 12 inch tall 10 th Doctor Who figure ( David Tennant ) arrived yesterday; here is a pic of what it looks like:
It looks very realistic. Facial resemblance is uncanny. Figure comes with a sonic screw driver. Outfit is real cloth, not plastic. I highly recommend this Tennant figure.
Patrick Stewart has revealed he would love to be asked to play a role in hit sci-fi series Doctor Who.
The 67-year-old Star Trek star, who is currently playing Macbeth at London's Gielgud Theatre, said he was a fan of the long-running time travelling show, but was sad he had never been involved.
"I have been (a fan) actually yes, and deeply dismayed that I was never asked to be in it! I think it's a terrific series," he said.
I can't wait to see how the Doctor, Martha, Jack... and the entire planet get out of this one!!
I also liked how we FINALLY got an origin for The Master after all of these years. Not to mention, finally seeing a gorgeous shot of Gallifrey itself...
Just as I knew that Jack's wrist gizmo would get the Doctor, Martha and Jack outta trouble last week, I am predicting that the drums have to do with the Doctor defeating the Master next week.
I can't wait to see how the Doctor, Martha, Jack... and the entire planet get out of this one!!
I also liked how we FINALLY got an origin for The Master after all of these years. Not to mention, finally seeing a gorgeous shot of Gallifrey itself...
Yeah, now we know that the Master isn't the Doctor's father, brother, or second cousin's ex roommate from his academy days.. I want to know more about the Master though.
I expect we will, in time...
and it was indeed awesome to see Galifrey again...it was beautiful.
I thought the "Jesus Doctor" stuff was a fucking cop-out. And, the "old Doctor" gremlin thing was just a waste of special effects. I don't know why RTD has to bizzarro it out like that. But, for all the weakness of this episode, the preceding two before it more than make up.
And don't worry. Martha is going to Torchwood Season Two for a few episodes, and then she'll be back next season on Who...
I thought the "Jesus Doctor" stuff was a fucking cop-out. And, the "old Doctor" gremlin thing was just a waste of special effects. I don't know why RTD has to bizzarro it out like that. But, for all the weakness of this episode, the preceding two before it more than make up.
And don't worry. Martha is going to Torchwood Season Two for a few episodes, and then she'll be back next season on Who...
Yeah, the " Jesus Doctor " bit was over the top, but it was still good.
Tomorrow at 7 pm my time: " The Cybermen, part 1. "
The best part about the whole Mickey thing is how the 9th Doctor always called him "Rickey", just insisting that was his name. And, while you knew he was doing it to just get a rise out of the character, there was something so certain about his insistence. And then they go to the alternate universe and there's "Rickey"...
I liked last night's episode, but agree with everyone about the Jesus Doctor bit. Watching that, I imagined that that what Prof. Frink must have felt like after his supercomputer analyzed the Flaming Moe...
"The Doctor's secret weapon is... LOVE?!? Why, you hunk of junk!"
Someone posted this elsewhere on the net. But, I had to pass it on cause it's too fucking funny (and true!)...
The Last of the Time Lords: Summarized in Pictures!
I was seeing that same scene in my head from Jedi when the Doctor set fire to the Master's body... I half expected him to turn and smile as he sees all 9 of his previous incarnations smiling at him like Anakin, Yoda, and Ben did at Luke at the end of Jedi!
What IS Davies fascination with all this lovey-dovey crap? I'm not saying that shameless sentimentality has no place in Dr. Who, but Davies can't pull it off. Moffat can, but not Davies.
Moffat earns it with tight scripts, witty dialogue, and tense pacing. Davies tries to spoon-feed it down your throat and then pats himself on the back for how "clever" he is. That's the difference...
your phrasing of your question to Jerry was slightly bitchy. it did seem a bit that you were taking him to task for something that is done quite regularly.
Why were you annoyed that I posed a question? I simply didn't understand exactly what you were doing, or why. That's how humans communicate, Data!
And, yeah, I know I didn't do Hartnell or Troughton. I just haven't been able to figure out a good descriptive phrase for them that fits...
I was annoyed for only a little while because it seemed a strange question to ask... You will recall how I was indifferent to the 9 th Doctor at first, and I got to like him a lot over a period of time... I'm almost as into Doctor Who as I was when I first got into the show about 24 years ago!
So, I posted that bit of qoutes from THE LAST TIME LORD because I am very impressed with the show.
If you have any more questions, such as how fast does light travel, or about Saturn's moons, or how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop, fire away!
But not about why I post stuff about a show I love...
Why were you annoyed that I posed a question? I simply didn't understand exactly what you were doing, or why. That's how humans communicate, Data!
And, yeah, I know I didn't do Hartnell or Troughton. I just haven't been able to figure out a good descriptive phrase for them that fits...
I was annoyed for only a little while because it seemed a strange question to ask... You will recall how I was indifferent to the 9 th Doctor at first, and I got to like him a lot over a period of time... I'm almost as into Doctor Who as I was when I first got into the show about 24 years ago!
So, I posted that bit of qoutes from THE LAST TIME LORD because I am very impressed with the show.
If you have any more questions, such as how fast does light travel, or about Saturn's moons, or how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop, fire away!
But not about why I post stuff about a show I love...
Jerry, why did you post this response to me? Please explain yourself. NOW!!!!
The Doctor can't become a woman through regeneration. There are already female Time Lords. Each sex regenerates along its' own sex line. At least, that's what's been established so far.
As far as him becoming black, I have no problem with that at all, on the condition that he's a good actor...not just because he's black.
The Doctor can't become a woman through regeneration. There are already female Time Lords. Each sex regenerates along its' own sex line. At least, that's what's been established so far.
It would be cool if Romana was found to be alive and took over for the Doctor for a few episodes.
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As far as him becoming black, I have no problem with that at all, on the condition that he's a good actor...not just because he's black.
The Doctor can't become a woman through regeneration. There are already female Time Lords. Each sex regenerates along its' own sex line. At least, that's what's been established so far.
It would be cool if Romana was found to be alive and took over for the Doctor for a few episodes.
Well, we saw a woman's hand pull the Master's ring from his pyre; my first thought was "That's Romana, I'll bet."
I read where Davies was shocked that every Who fanboy out there thought it was The Rani that picked up the ring (when it had never even occurred to him at all). Obviously he's never met fandom, and their amazing ability to pull obscure references and make impossible connections to the most far-fetched minutia of Who lore...
You're right. The Master has never hatched crazy plans that circumvent the standard Timelord regeneration. This could not possibly be part of some gigantic ruse using the woman who was 100% devoted to him throughout the rest of the story and reveled in participating in the evil that he created. Uh-uh. Not possible.
This was part 2 of Rise Of The Cybermen and, though I had taped it last Saturday, I didn't quite find the time to watch it until a few hours ago.
It was pretty good, though it seemed a bit too easy for the Doctor to escape the Cybermen just by using his sonic screwdriver.... but, it got them out of being " Deleted ", hehe...
Loved how Mickey was instrumental in getting the correct code to give the Cybermen back their humanity.
I understand why Mickey stayed behind on that world. His Grandmother was still alive on this world. If it had been me, and it was an Earth where George and Max were still alive... if my parallel world self had died, as Mickey's had.. I would have stayed behind, too, no matter how fucked up that Earth had been.
Also, destroying Cybermen gave Mickey a sense of purpose, which he had lacked previously.
Goodbye, Mickey, I shall miss you..
This week's Dr. Who is on BBC America tomorrow.. check your local listings.
Yeah, that episode was pure pants. I hated it, to be honest. It's a Mark Gatiss episode, and that really surprised me. Usually he's right on the money (The Unquiet Dead for example)...
Yeah, that episode was pure pants. I hated it, to be honest. It's a Mark Gatiss episode, and that really surprised me. Usually he's right on the money (The Unquiet Dead for example)...
Yeah, it's the Charles Dickens episode with the 9th Doctor (Eccleston).
Jerry, it would really be worth your time to just go ahead and break down and spend the sixty bucks on the Season One DVD set. Eccleston's Doc is probably the best since Tom Baker. I know everyone loves Tennant, and that's cool. I like his Doctor fine. But, for some reason I'm not ga-ga over his incarnation like 99% of fandom. I just think Eccleston had a more interesting edge to his performance. That's why you should take it from me and go get those DVD's...
Rex, you've only watched New Earth which was a shitty episode. Every actor that plays The Doctor has to find his feet, and sometimes it takes awhile. Tennant's first season was pretty hit-and-miss. But, if you would just give Season Three a go I really think you would find some of his episodes worth your time...
I forced myself to watch the whole first season with Tennant. I know I should have watched the current season but that season really left a bad taste in my mouth. I'll probably netflix it eventually.
Yeah, it's the Charles Dickens episode with the 9th Doctor (Eccleston).
Jerry, it would really be worth your time to just go ahead and break down and spend the sixty bucks on the Season One DVD set. Eccleston's Doc is probably the best since Tom Baker. I know everyone loves Tennant, and that's cool. I like his Doctor fine. But, for some reason I'm not ga-ga over his incarnation like 99% of fandom. I just think Eccleston had a more interesting edge to his performance. That's why you should take it from me and go get those DVD's...
I feel the same way, Pro.. as much as I like Tennant, Eccleston was the man!
His Doctor actually seemed alone, dark, and mysterious.
Tennant is fun, but Eccleston just seemed perfect for the part.
I just might get the dvd's..
Oh, and I did see Unquiet Dead after all.. a while back.. and did like it a lot.
I forced myself to watch the whole first season with Tennant. I know I should have watched the current season but that season really left a bad taste in my mouth. I'll probably netflix it eventually.
Well, I'm proud of you then. And, I'm sorry. His first season had some real suck ones in there. Of course, Season Three is not flawless. It has a two-part Dalek story that's just pure balls! No redeeming quality about it whatsoever. I highly suggest skipping Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks. It blows, and you're missing absolutely nothing.
But, the rest of the season is pretty much gold. Definitely Netflix Season Three if you want to get back into the Who action.
BTW, anyone know who the singer Kylie Minogue is? Well, she'll be in this year's Christmas episode/special. She's hot, and I can't wait to check her out in Who.
Props to you too, Jerry, for recognizing the superiority of the Ninth Doctor. I miss that guy, and just think it will be a cold day in hell before we see him again. Eccleston's not exactly one to look backwards in his career, and I feel like he might never reprise the role ever again...even in an anniversary multi-Doc crossover or anything. Which would be a fucking shame on par with Tom Baker's having never shown up again...
Honestly, don't bet on it, Jerry. It's for the annual Children In Need tv special they do every year. Every year the Doctor Who staff have given the show something to attract viewers. One year was the "Dimensions in Time" Doctors 4 - 7 teamup, another was the "Curse of the Fatal Death" parody with Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Grant, and other big name Brit stars playing The Doctor, and two years ago was a five-minute scene that took place immediately after Eccleston regenerated into Tennant, showcasing Tennant's Doc going through the post-regen trauma, and freaking Rose out. These mini-episodes are never included in the DVD sets or anything (save "Curse of the Fatal Death" which was released by itself for charity profit), as the Children In Need foundation owns them separately from the normal BBC produced episodes.
However, I'm really hoping they will make an exception for this and provide it with the DVD set of Season Four.
Meanwhile, however, I will be illegally downloading the SHIT out of this...
Did you ever see Curse of the Fatal Death, with Rowan Atkinson playing The Doctor? It's fucking hilarious! Plus, it's written by Stephen Moffat (the same guy that wrote The Empty Child/Doctor Dances, Blink, Girl in the Fireplace...which I don't know if you've seen yet, and the upcoming Timecrash...which is the name of the Peter Davison/David Tennant team-up we're talking about here).
Sort of Doctor Who related. Anyone catch any of the Catherine Tate series? It's not bad if you like sketch comedy. It reminds me of Tracy Almond(?) stuff where she plays all these different characters.
no, I've missed out on damn near all of season three.
Season three was pretty damn good.. especially " The Family Of Blood."
Eh. The best part was that kid who played the teenager possessed by the alien. Aside from that, I thought that whole 2-parter was mostly balls.
Snarf, how can you like Joss Whedon's dreck and think anything else is too "touchy-feely"?
Please. The human Doctor was a racist, elitist, arrogant snob. Like we're supposed to give a rat's ass if he can't be with what's-her-name.
Remove the racist part and you have the ninth Doctor, as well as a few other incarnations. It's a very human story. More than what I've ever seen from Wheadon.
It was ok. At least now I know why the planet is impossible.. there is no way a planet can defy the extreme gravity of a nearby black hole.
The aliens look partially what I think the aliens from "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel " ought to look like.
I actually really like this two-parter. The commercials really break the mood, though. You should try it again on DVD. The second-part is really freaking good, in my opinion.
BTW, fun Who fact: The man who does the voice of "Sutekh" in Tom Baker's Pyramids of Mars is the dark "voice" you hear in these episodes. Very nice...
It was ok. At least now I know why the planet is impossible.. there is no way a planet can defy the extreme gravity of a nearby black hole.
The aliens look partially what I think the aliens from "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel " ought to look like.
I actually really like this two-parter. The commercials really break the mood, though. You should try it again on DVD. The second-part is really freaking good, in my opinion.
BTW, fun Who fact: The man who does the voice of "Sutekh" in Tom Baker's Pyramids of Mars is the dark "voice" you hear in these episodes. Very nice...
Cool!
another Who fun fact: I forget his name, but the guy who played Admiral Piet in Empire Strikes Back was in Pyramids Of Mars.. he was the bald dude with the mustache.
I'm a big Doctor Who fan. Its cool ya'll have a thread dedicated to the show. For what my two cents are worth. I loved the ninth doctor, I really think he brought alot of life back to the show. The tenth Doc is growing on me. I did not care for much for season two, but season three had some very good episodes. (Blink, Family of Blood) John Sims was an excellent Master. Doc 10 is coming into his own. I'll keep watching.
I'm a big Doctor Who fan. Its cool ya'll have a thread dedicated to the show. For what my two cents are worth. I loved the ninth doctor, I really think he brought alot of life back to the show. The tenth Doc is growing on me. I did not care for much for season two, but season three had some very good episodes. (Blink, Family of Blood) John Sims was an excellent Master. Doc 10 is coming into his own. I'll keep watching.
Holy crap! You're alive? Welcome back, "Tayden"!
And, I agree exactly with your assessment of the modern series. I think Tennant is finally growing into his own Doctor. Meanwhile, Eccleston's 9th Doctor was "the star that burns brightest, burns quickest" of the Docs. I loved his incarnation, and hope I will get to glimpse him once more one day...
Yep. I finally have DSL again so I thought I would check everybody out. I've been a million miles since last I was here but not a whole lot has changed on the site. Just the way I like it
It was ok. At least now I know why the planet is impossible.. there is no way a planet can defy the extreme gravity of a nearby black hole.
The aliens look partially what I think the aliens from "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel " ought to look like.
I actually really like this two-parter. The commercials really break the mood, though. You should try it again on DVD. The second-part is really freaking good, in my opinion.
BTW, fun Who fact: The man who does the voice of "Sutekh" in Tom Baker's Pyramids of Mars is the dark "voice" you hear in these episodes. Very nice...
Cool!
another Who fun fact: I forget his name, but the guy who played Admiral Piet in Empire Strikes Back was in Pyramids Of Mars.. he was the bald dude with the mustache.
The house Pyramids of Mars was filmed in was owened by Mick Jagger, who was in Freejack with Emilio Estevez, who was in Young Guns with Keifer Sutherland who was in Flatliners with Kevin Bacon.
It was ok. At least now I know why the planet is impossible.. there is no way a planet can defy the extreme gravity of a nearby black hole.
The aliens look partially what I think the aliens from "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel " ought to look like.
Part 2 - Satan Pit - just ended.
It was marvelous!
Loved every second of it.
Loved the Doctor's hedging on his views on religion: ie, God, and the Devil. I expect we are to make up our own mind on what he believes.. or, whether or not it is important or not to us that he believes.
I choose to feel that the Doctor believes in God.. and that he just doesn't wish to be perceived as telling others what to believe or not to believe.
The writing, the tone of the episode.. everything was wonderful about this episode.
I taped it. and will watch it again on BBC America tomorrow during their 5 hour Dr. Who marathon.
It was ok. At least now I know why the planet is impossible.. there is no way a planet can defy the extreme gravity of a nearby black hole.
The aliens look partially what I think the aliens from "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel " ought to look like.
Part 2 - Satan Pit - just ended.
It was marvelous!
Loved every second of it.
Loved the Doctor's hedging on his views on religion: ie, God, and the Devil. I expect we are to make up our own mind on what he believes.. or, whether or not it is important or not to us that he believes.
I choose to feel that the Doctor believes in God.. and that he just doesn't wish to be perceived as telling others what to believe or not to believe.
The writing, the tone of the episode.. everything was wonderful about this episode.
I taped it. and will watch it again on BBC America tomorrow during their 5 hour Dr. Who marathon.
I forgot to say how much I loved the scene where, after the Doctor had smashed that urn in the cave where the monster was, and things began to fall apart.. and the ship that had the others was no longer protected, and it began to fall into the gravity well of the black hole.. and the Doctor is running out of the cave and falls to the ground against some blue object.. and the camera pans slowly up and we see that it is the Tardis...
Stephen King: "Salvation and Damnation are the same thing. "
Oh yeah.. the girl who played "Moaning Myrtle " in the Harry Potter movies was in it.
She is all growed up now..
I thought I had seen all of the second season. But I just caught this episode for the first time tonight. I liked it, I thought it was sad but pretty funny. .....and yeah I thought that was that chick
Broadband video is only available to users in the UK because it is funded by the licence fee and it's not yet technically possible for us to provide this to licence fee payers who are trying to access BBC content from abroad.
It was perfect. Absolutely perfect. A tribute, tip-of-the-hat, homage to days gone by. It was subtle, funny, sweet, and had some quick biting commentary ("Decorative vegetables" and the Master's "beard") on both eras. Peter Davison is still, quite, The Doctor. And the last part was quite simply David Tennant and Steven Moffat paying tribute to The Doctor they grew up with.
It also put paid to accusations that Tennant is trying to piggy back the success of Harry Potter when he puts glasses on. You tended to feel that the stuff Tennant was saying about the glasses and the shoes was something he wanted added to this Doctors character as a tribute rather than being some sort of afterthought or rip off of another franchise!
Tennants comments about the sonic screwdriver were blatantly a bit of self mocking hunour!
I did find it strange though that Davidsons Doctor was so oblivious to the fact Tennant was a future regeneration.
It also put paid to accusations that Tennant is trying to piggy back the success of Harry Potter when he puts glasses on. You tended to feel that the stuff Tennant was saying about the glasses and the shoes was something he wanted added to this Doctors character as a tribute rather than being some sort of afterthought or rip off of another franchise!
Oh completely! Tennant and Steven Moffat have never hidden their love of the 5th Doctor and Peter Davison. This was both of them getting to thank the Doctor of their childhood.
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Tennants comments about the sonic screwdriver were blatantly a bit of self mocking hunour!
That was fucking awesome. That's the thing, this was a tribute to the 5th Doctor, but it had some nice asides about aspects of the modern era, as well. "The Master's Beard" joke went right over my head until the second viewing. That shit was hilarious!
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I did find it strange though that Davidsons Doctor was so oblivious to the fact Tennant was a future regeneration.
Meh, I did but I didn't. I noticed it took him longer to fathom what was happening. However, if you think about it, the 5th Doctor was always a bit slow on the uptake. He was always getting captured, or caught in a tight spot because he didn't possess Tom's "super doc" awareness of situations. I think this went pretty in hand with him. Besides, once he looked into his eyes, he knew. He just didn't want to admit this "skinny idiot" was himself.
At least, that's how I took it. Love that they finally explained the TARDIS interior "desktop theme" stuff. Pretty much what fans have always thought, but I've always wanted to know it for certain.
Moffat is a fucking genius.
I also really like how Davison's "breathless enthusiasm" is still front and center in his portrayal...even though the "breathless" part isn't acting anymore...
This has to be the bestTorchwood episode I've ever seen.
I taped it the next time it came on.
There were no bug eyed monsters... just 3 people who flew an airplane through a timewarp, and into modern day England.
They were from 1953.
2 women and a man.
The man adjusted very poorly. His wife had died, and his son was in a nursing home with Alzhiemers.
He tried to kill himself by running a motor car in a garage; the fumes almost killed him, but Jack found him.. and, when the man just told Jack he would wait till no one was around to stop him.. that was when Jack sat in the car with him, the motor running until the man died from carbon monoxide poisoning.. at least he did not die alone, as many of us will.
One of the two women started a love affair with one of the team..
The other, just floundered around.
The woman left the man and got back in her plane in search of the warp..
The other one took off, too.
Very touching episode.. about how 3 individuals react when they have lost verything and everyone they love and are thrust into a strange world of the future.
i got some dvds from the library. i did a quick brush up on wikipedia of the basics but i was surprised how open it was to new viewers. i like the humor and overall lightheartedness of the show.
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i got some dvds from the library. i did a quick brush up on wikipedia of the basics but i was surprised how open it was to new viewers. i like the humor and overall lightheartedness of the show.
Welcome to Doctor Who, Ray!
It's a wonderful show, and I know it will grow on you, as it has on me the past 24 years since I have been watching it.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i got some dvds from the library. i did a quick brush up on wikipedia of the basics but i was surprised how open it was to new viewers. i like the humor and overall lightheartedness of the show.
yeah I'm really liking it. I had to do a lot of wikipedia reading to get a grasp on the basics but it's so far been pretty easy to get in to. I like the concept of time and space travel. so many possibilities. The regeneration idea is philosophically complex, which i love. I try and see it as being like Dax on DS9 mixed with reincarnation ideas. Very interesting. I like how with each regeneration he changes style and personality. what a clever idea that leaves so much flexibility. I can already understand how this show lasted for 30 years. I'm now up to New Earth, having just finished the Christmas Invasion episode.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
yeah I'm really liking it. I had to do a lot of wikipedia reading to get a grasp on the basics but it's so far been pretty easy to get in to. I like the concept of time and space travel. so many possibilities. The regeneration idea is philosophically complex, which i love. I try and see it as being like Dax on DS9 mixed with reincarnation ideas. Very interesting.
I'd still like to know which Doctor's episode's you had seen...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
yeah I'm really liking it. I had to do a lot of wikipedia reading to get a grasp on the basics but it's so far been pretty easy to get in to. I like the concept of time and space travel. so many possibilities. The regeneration idea is philosophically complex, which i love. I try and see it as being like Dax on DS9 mixed with reincarnation ideas. Very interesting.
I'd still like to know which Doctor's episode's you had seen...
i saw the first 3 and last 3 of season 1 due to the availability of the DVDs at the library. I downloaded the christmas special with the tenth doctor and am now watching the second season premiere "New Earth." I also watched some youtube clips of the doctor who confidential special to get some background.
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Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
yeah I'm really liking it. I had to do a lot of wikipedia reading to get a grasp on the basics but it's so far been pretty easy to get in to. I like the concept of time and space travel. so many possibilities. The regeneration idea is philosophically complex, which i love. I try and see it as being like Dax on DS9 mixed with reincarnation ideas. Very interesting.
I'd still like to know which Doctor's episode's you had seen...
i saw the first 3 and last 3 of season 1 due to the availability of the DVDs at the library. I downloaded the christmas special with the tenth doctor and am now watching the second season premiere "New Earth." I also watched some youtube clips of the doctor who confidential special to get some background.
ahh, excellent!
Wait till you get to Tom Baker's run - 1974 - 1981.
As much as I love the Baker run, I don't know if I could watch it again after the 9th and 10th Docs. Only because it'll look so antiquated compared to the current series...
Like classic Trek to TNG. I wish they renew the effects for old-school Who like they're doing with classic Trek...
Actually, they are. They've put out a few old-school episodes with alternate video tracks of CGI-ed effects. I am not sure if it's just a 'testing-the-waters' phase, or whether they're tight on budget, but it hasn't happened to every release. The best part about it is the option of having either versions to watch.
I don't have a problem with watching old Bakers. Mainly due to Tom Baker's charisma and delivery in the part, and also due to the witty dialogue in most all of his scripts. And, then there's the whole Douglas Adams era. Watch City of Death again sometime. Sure, the guy's wearing a rubber mask, and all. But the Adams/Baker combo will remind you why the 4th Doctor is considered to be the iconic incarnation...
Actually, they are. They've put out a few old-school episodes with alternate video tracks of CGI-ed effects. I am not sure if it's just a 'testing-the-waters' phase, or whether they're tight on budget, but it hasn't happened to every release. The best part about it is the option of having either versions to watch.
I don't have a problem with watching old Bakers. Mainly due to Tom Baker's charisma and delivery in the part, and also due to the witty dialogue in most all of his scripts. And, then there's the whole Douglas Adams era. Watch City of Death again sometime. Sure, the guy's wearing a rubber mask, and all. But the Adams/Baker combo will remind you why the 4th Doctor is considered to be the iconic incarnation...
so I'm now finishing up the middle of the first season and also watching season 2. Very good. the transition between Doctors 9 and 10 was surprisingly smooth. After the stuff I've read about Torchwood I don't think I'd like it but it's cool how they tied it to the Doctor and Queen Victoria. Really enjoyed the Dalek episode where it was evolving human feelings.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
so I'm now finishing up the middle of the first season and also watching season 2. Very good. the transition between Doctors 9 and 10 was surprisingly smooth. After the stuff I've read about Torchwood I don't think I'd like it but it's cool how they tied it to the Doctor and Queen Victoria. Really enjoyed the Dalek episode where it was evolving human feelings.
I saw that one online on YouTube.
It is an awesome episode.
Glad you got into this show.
Doctor Who is to science fiction, what Packard, Duesenberg, Cadillac and Lincoln were to cars in the 1930's.
I remember when they CGI'd Red Dwarf. Everyone hated it, hence when its shown on tv or when they finally released the DVDs, they went back to the original!
While I personally thought it worked well (for the most part) with Star Wars, it really does not work with low budget shows. Doctor Who would look fucking stupid if they CGI'd the early episodes!
I remember when they CGI'd Red Dwarf. Everyone hated it, hence when its shown on tv or when they finally released the DVDs, they went back to the original!
While I personally thought it worked well (for the most part) with Star Wars, it really does not work with low budget shows. Doctor Who would look fucking stupid if they CGI'd the early episodes!
for the most part I'm against such touch ups. I like when they clean up the color and adding the ships and finishing scenes impossible to do right in the 1970's worked for Star Wars. But with Star Trek it just looked weird. Because they still had so many cheesy looking things that the CGI seemed so out of place.
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I remember when they CGI'd Red Dwarf. Everyone hated it, hence when its shown on tv or when they finally released the DVDs, they went back to the original!
While I personally thought it worked well (for the most part) with Star Wars, it really does not work with low budget shows. Doctor Who would look fucking stupid if they CGI'd the early episodes!
for the most part I'm against such touch ups. I like when they clean up the color and adding the ships and finishing scenes impossible to do right in the 1970's worked for Star Wars. But with Star Trek it just looked weird. Because they still had so many cheesy looking things that the CGI seemed so out of place.
The simple fact is Star Wars already looked good due to its huge budget, so tarting it up was never gonna look wrong (except to nerds who cant accept anything other than the original). With Trek and Who, the budgets (and technology) were just not there in the first place, so to try and tart them up would be like trying to turn a piece of string into a computer!
Actually, they are. They've put out a few old-school episodes with alternate video tracks of CGI-ed effects. I am not sure if it's just a 'testing-the-waters' phase, or whether they're tight on budget, but it hasn't happened to every release. The best part about it is the option of having either versions to watch.
Also amusing, and charming, this week were this year's DR. WHO CHILDREN IN NEED SPECIAL, a short feature that fits between a couple moments at the end of last season's finale and brings back Peter Davison's Doctor in a brief encounter with the current one, and the season finale to THE SARAH JANE ADVENTURES, a delightful bit of fluff (it's aimed at a younger audience than either of its companion shows, DR. WHO and TORCHWOOD) that features the series' most unexpected villain and a surprise eleventh hour guest star who'll warm the hearts of all long time DR. WHO fans. What's really surprising about the CHILDREN IN NEED special is how much better Davison is at playing the Doctor now than he was during his late '70s run; back then his personality seemed roughly based on Marvin the Robot's from HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY and where other Doctors accessorized, Davison's Doctor garnished, a quality somewhat mocked in the special. But what's really great in the special is the genuine warmth current Doctor David Tennent evinces for Davison's version. You can see it in his eyes: that ain't acting. Matter of fact, delightful's the perfect description for both shows, and there's not a lot of television from either side of the pond, any pond, you can say that about these days.
finished year one and am on the finale for year 2. I hate to admit it but the Daleks are growing on me with their rage filled robot voices. I liked the argument between them and the Cybermen. I really enjoyed the Ninth Doctor but I feel the Tenth is a bit more suited to the role. He just seems more willing to go along with it all. I love how he keeps treating those cheap cardboard 3D glasses as if they were real glasses while the world is being invaded.
done with year 2. excellent finale with the Cybermen and Daleks. Loved the Daleks in the air and Cybermen on the ground and then suddenly being sucked up into the Void. They had a good way of getting rid of Rose. A nice happy ending, or happier than death and despair or a miserable existence. I liked how she got the life she would've wanted before she met the doctor (namely her dad). I especially liked the twist ending with the bride. Few times have I seen such a shift between heavy sadness and lighthearted comedy. I'll miss Rose, but it kind of makes sense. She was the audience surrogate that allowed us (new viewers) to get into the revived Doctor Who. Now that the show is firmly established the need for a surrogate is gone and it was fitting to send her off.
now watching the Runaway Bride Christmas Special. I wish American shows had Christmas Specials. Very funny.
so let me ask you guys. overall if i'm loving the current show how much would I like the original run? I've read a lot of the history on wikipedia but that's not the same as watching the shows. So aside from the lower quality FX (which I never judge on older shows) is the storytelling quality the same? More importantly, is the humor the same?
I believe the story quality changes somewhat from era to era, but the creative high point is generally considered the Douglas Adams/Tom Baker period. but everyone has their own personal favorites. Pro has a pretty good knowledge of some of the better episodes from each era.
I believe the story quality changes somewhat from era to era, but the creative high point is generally considered the Douglas Adams/Tom Baker period. but everyone has their own personal favorites. Pro has a pretty good knowledge of some of the better episodes from each era.
Pro is very knowledgable on all eras of Doctor Who.
He has demonstrated this many times here.
I know a fair amount about Who, too, albiet with gaps in my knowledge of Who History.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
now watching the Runaway Bride Christmas Special. I wish American shows had Christmas Specials. Very funny.
so let me ask you guys. overall if i'm loving the current show how much would I like the original run? I've read a lot of the history on wikipedia but that's not the same as watching the shows. So aside from the lower quality FX (which I never judge on older shows) is the storytelling quality the same? More importantly, is the humor the same?
The main thing other than the lower budget you might notice is the fact things were a lot more space based, and as such, the sets and the dialogue etc was a bit more cheesy (but in a good way).
The main criticism of the new run is that too much of it is on Earth in the modern day!
Hey, Ray, how did you like the episode called " Father's Day" ?
That was the one where Rose saves her father from being killed... but, then, bad things begin to happen.
It is one of my very favorites new Who episodes.
Also: The Empty Child/ The Doctor Dances.
That two parter is simply awesome!
I liked Father's Day. I loved Empty Child/Doctor Dances. Great scene with Jack and Rose atop the time ship in front of Big Ben. And I loved how the Doctor ordered the zombies to go to their room. And the ending where they danced was nice.
I just finished Runaway Bride. That was a lot of fun, especially the Tardis chasing the Taxi.
It does seem like each Doctor adds his own feel to the stories, which is good. I'm trying to download some of the Fourth Doctor's episodes now that I'm running out of the current series. I have no interest whatsoever in the Sixth though. He looks idiotic, I read that his is considered the worst era and his theme variation is annoying.
my understanding of the 6th Doc is that he was intended to be a screwed up regeneration, but he didn't go over very well (especially coming right after Davison's run, who was almost polar opposite in character) and didn't last too long. I think Nowie said though, that he's been getting some new appreciation recently as some fans are starting to appreciate what he was meant to be. I'm sure the outfit didn't help, though.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
now watching the Runaway Bride Christmas Special. I wish American shows had Christmas Specials. Very funny.
so let me ask you guys. overall if i'm loving the current show how much would I like the original run? I've read a lot of the history on wikipedia but that's not the same as watching the shows. So aside from the lower quality FX (which I never judge on older shows) is the storytelling quality the same? More importantly, is the humor the same?
The main thing other than the lower budget you might notice is the fact things were a lot more space based, and as such, the sets and the dialogue etc was a bit more cheesy (but in a good way).
The main criticism of the new run is that too much of it is on Earth in the modern day!
Colin Baker's Doctor was ruined by the BBC's change in format for the show and JNT's terrible choice in costume and direction. Baker was supposed to be a mix of the Hartnell grumpiness and a bit of crazy. He's got some good episodes; but, like with Enterprise, the old fans didn't want anything new or different.
near the end of season 3. I thought it started a bit slow, but that's to be expected since the Doctor was "mourning" for Rose and was kind of cold towards Martha. Things picked up with Gridlock. A whole life spent in traffic. I like that they keep following up on the Face of Boe/New Earth story that started with rose and the Ninth Doctor watching the world end. I really liked the Daleks in Manhatten storyline. Kind of tragic but it was nice that the Doctor was willing to forget all of his hatred in order to give his enemy a chance to be something better. I loved the Family of Blood arc too. The Doctor's diary was neat, and I liked how in the end it turned out that he wasn't afraid of them but was hiding until they died as an act of mercy. I thought his punishment had a great ironic twist but the idea of the girl in the mirror will probably freak me out late one night when I go to the bathroom and see the slightest movement in the mirror.
I have several Tom Baker DVDs waiting for me at the library. Hopefully I'll enjoy those.
Robots Of Death Ark In Space The Pirate Planet The Invasion Of Time Face Of Evil Genesis Of The Daleks The Brain Of Morbius Pyramids Of Mars The Hand Of Fear The Talons of Weng - Chiang The Ribos Operation The Seeds Of Doom
Rayman, glad you are digging Who. As for the difference in the Classic and new stuff:
Aside from the F/X, the pacing is much slower, and the production values overall are slight at times. As long as you watch it for the character of The Doctor, and can digest that this was the show for its era, then I think there is plenty to like about Classic Who. And hey, catching a good buzz before you watch one doesn't hurt, either...
I would advise you start with Tom Baker's City of Death, written by Douglas Adams (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy). It's a simple, Earth-bound episode filmed on location in Paris, France. The wit is sharp, and the story tight enough to be good, silly enough to be Adams.
As far as the 4th Doctor/Tom Baker, I also recommend:
Robot Robots of Death The Ribos Operation Talons of Weng-Chiang Hand of Fear The Brain of Morbius
Depending on how far back you want to go, check out the 3rd Doctor's Spearhead From Space. It's his first story, the first Who episode ever filmed in color, and bears a notable striking resemblance to the Eccleston opener Rose. Might be worth your time.
And, don't turn off of Colin Baker before you've tried him. He's not nearly as bad as fandom makes him out to be. The suit? Absurd. The actor? One of the best Doctors, in my opinion.
Also, if you're wanting to get a little Peter Davison/5th Doctor, then your library may have the new New Beginnings box set. It's the last two episodes of the 4th Doctor's run, and the first episode of the 5th Doctor...
The wit is sharp, and the story tight enough to be good, silly enough to be Adams.
Actually, the story is pretty weak. It's classic Adams, though. Fun, great dialogue, and whimsy about; but the story has several plot holes. The narrative form really wasn't Adams's strong suit.
I posted my best Jon Pertwee episode choices a while back, Ray, but here they are again:
Spearhead From Space Inferno Planet Of The Spiders The Time Monster Carnival Of Monsters Time Warrior The Three Doctors The Mutants Frontier In Space Colony In Space The Claws Of Axos Terror Of The Autons Day Of The Daleks
The wit is sharp, and the story tight enough to be good, silly enough to be Adams.
Actually, the story is pretty weak. It's classic Adams, though. Fun, great dialogue, and whimsy about; but the story has several plot holes. The narrative form really wasn't Adams's strong suit.
I agree there.
By this episode, the quality was beginning to really go.
I would recomend watching the whole "Key to Time" season to get a good insight into the 4th Doctor. I think Douglas Adams wrote two of the episodes (Pirate Planet and I can't remeber the other one). "Genesis of the Daleks" is also a good one. There is a cool moment where the Doctor has a choice whether or not to destroy evey Dalek that has ever lived...its good stuff
There is a great archive of cool Doctor who sound clips at this site: http://www.dwwa.net/
Robot - so-so however it's his debut, that is what makes it worth watching.
Genesis of the Daleks - the Time Lords send the Doctor on a mission to alter Dalek history and make them less violent. Many consider this the first strike of the Time war that happened off screen between the 8th and 9th Doctors.
The Face of Evil - the Doctor meets a new companion and fights an evil computer.
Robots of Death - the plot is ok, but the dialog is quite good.
The Invasion of Time - Great episode, one of the best of the best
The Androids of Tara - One of my all time favorite Doctor Who episodes ever.
City of Death - Douglas Adams, Tom Baker directs, a time traveling chicken, and a JOhn Cleese cameo.
The Creature From the Pit - A really fun episode. Doctor Who faithful will notice the old woman was also the old woman in part two and on of the very first episode starring William Hartnell as The Doctor.
You may also want to check out Legopolis. Tom Baker's final episode.
finished season 3. excellent finale. The Master being around for the entire season in the background was great. I liked the regeneration and Tardis theft. And the revelation at the end that Jack was the Face of Boe was good. I found the Doctor's compassion for the Master to be moving. Even after being tortured for a year he wanted him to live, of course he also didn't want to be alone. But the whole forgivness line was very moving.
I got the Baker DVDs from the library. I read the back of the box to see which might be the most interesting to start on but it turns out they all revolve around the key of time so I'm watching it in order.
Didn't like the first serial, but the Pirate Planet one was decent. Very interesting concept. Baker is enjoyable and witty. It's interesting how you can see the same base qualities of the other Doctors in Baker's take on it. It definitely has the feel of a children's show, with lots of fast plots and short 25 minute segments and little real attention to building characterization. It's nowhere near as smart as the current show, and I feel that the low production values hinder the story by forcing them to stay in one place for several episodes instead of being able to change locales episode to episode and really utilize the Tardis' travel abilities. But it's still pretty fun, and I know that the older series was meant for kids so I can accept that. I really wish I had been able to watch it as a kid because i would've loved it and looked forward to it every week. I'm surprised I never did because I watched any sci-fi show that I came across but I only remember watching the 1996 movie. I think I'll stick with it, see what I can download or get from the library.
Can't wait till next season starts to see what will happen with the Titanic, and why it was able to ram a hole through the Tardis...
what's bugging me is what the hole looks like on the outside. because the ship is through the walls and goes way above where the exterior of the Tardis ends. So does it look like the ship shrinks down to fit or does it look like the Tardis expands around the hole. Either way I liked how they ended it with him saying multiple "what!?!"s like with the Runaway Bride cliffhanger.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
Yeah, that two parter was pretty cool.
Can't wait till next season starts to see what will happen with the Titanic, and why it was able to ram a hole through the Tardis...
what's bugging me is what the hole looks like on the outside. because the ship is through the walls and goes way above where the exterior of the Tardis ends. So does it look like the ship shrinks down to fit or does it look like the Tardis expands around the hole. Either way I liked how they ended it with him saying multiple "what!?!"s like with the Runaway Bride cliffhanger.
The TARDIS interior is believed to be something near the size of a small solar system. Given the moment and all, it seems to me that he accidentally materialized the TARDIS around the ship itself. Just because the exterior is relatively indestructible, doesn't mean the interior is, as well. At least, that's how I understand it.
The Christmas episode "Voyage of the Damned" will be broadcast in the UK on (naturally) Christmas day. The new season probably doesn't start until around May or June of 2008.
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
I am answering a qeustion from the EARLY days of this thread:
Originally Posted By: Joe Mama
This month's issue of Rue Morgue has an article on Doctor Who. It wasn't that long but it was a decent primer for new fans. I used to casually watch the Tom Baker episodes. There was one where there was what I think was a giant space caterpiller and it infected people who would then become caterpillar-like. I only saw up to the third part. Does anyone remember this - what it was called? I'd love to get it on DVD - the final scene of the half-caterpillar/half human yelling at the Doctor gave me nightmares for days!
It was Ark In Space, one of the best Tom Baker eps.
Thanks Pro.. it will be a long wait till next May or June.
a perfect example of what Dr. Who will always mean to me. weird sci-fi adventures in space/time with a flavor like nothing else and a truly alien feel to it.
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
and I think the gash in the Tardis would look bigger on the inside than it does on the outside...
Dimensionally transcendentality, and all that...
right, i get that. but the ship is partially inside with enough of itself that is way taller than a police box. so what does it look like on the outside since the the top of the ship would tower over a police box but on the inside can fit fine? does it look like it shrinks? my head hurts.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
and I think the gash in the Tardis would look bigger on the inside than it does on the outside...
Dimensionally transcendentality, and all that...
right, i get that. but the ship is partially inside with enough of itself that is way taller than a police box. so what does it look like on the outside since the the top of the ship would tower over a police box but on the inside can fit fine? does it look like it shrinks? my head hurts.
I expect that on the outside, the Tardis would retain it's normal size, and would have the Titanic ramming it. I guess anyone on Titanic would have just seen the Tardis sort of impaled on the bow of the huge ship.
question: Tom Baker is saying he's 760. But I'm certain that the current Doctor said he was 900. So is there a "relative present" on the show that matches our own time (where his companions come from) and then we're to assume that between episodes and series he has had many travels and adventures that have built up 150 years or so of unseen stories? I like that idea a bit more than assuming he had centuries of dicking around and then had to regenerate 8 times in 40 years. It also leaves open the option of untold stories. Like maybe the Fourth Doctor wasn't around for 7 years, he was around for 50 we just only saw 7 of those years.
You hit it on the head. Sometime between the old series and the new there was an event called the Time War, which wiped out all the other Time Lords. That's probably where most of the missing time comes from.
I wonder what you longterm fans feel about regeneration. I came in with Tenth as the current and am able to read about the past ones with the kind of perspective that lets me see it one way, but you guys got attached to actors and then saw the regenerations as they aired. Do you guys feel that it is the same character just from different perspectives, or do you look at each one as being distinctive? One thing I notice in looking at the past Doctors is that each regeneration seems to be like an update. Wherein the events in the Doctor's life shape the regeneration. For example he was an old man who became younger and more active to match his active life of exploration. The Sixth Doctor being an asshole might be because he in some way blamed his companion for the death of the Fifth. The Seventh Doctor may have been an attempt to be more likeable and friendly. the Eighth Doctor is stronger and younger than the prior ones perhaps because he was caught offguard and shot and died a slow painful death while weak and at the mercy of others. The Ninth seems harder and more basic perhaps in mourning for the loss of the Time Lords, while the Tenth has an accent closer to Rose's and seems to have adopted her joy for their adventures, whereas Ninth was a bit more reserved towards things and had a "seen it" attitude. That's just my take on it.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
But you like the newer episodes which spend all their time on Earth?
I like Earth. Earth has many built in story angles and a whole culture in which to write a story around. This was a planet in the dark ages and a lot of time was spent in tunnels. Stories on alien worlds require creating a whole new culture, so the quality of that culture will define the quality of the story taking place there. Earth is Earth, we can see the Doctor in New York during the 1930's and we feel the difference and truly get a sense of time travel. It makes it seem more exciting (to me at least). And it saves them money on creating a CGI city when they can just shoot exterior shots of London in the present. I also think it makes sense to have the show do many Earth-centric episodes. The Doctor is entertaining his companion so he's showing her the past/future of her world. Though I wouldn't mind offworld stories at all. And I think that Earth has been invaded an aweful lot in the present and another invasion soon might be silly.
Overall I felt Ribbos was kind of weak. In fact the whole Key to Time story felt like I was playing Knights of the Old Republic again. Go here, get involved with the locals, and then they get the piece at the end and go to their ship. But, let me say that I do like Baker. In all the ones I've watched he had a lot of funny lines. Even when bored with the overall story, I got enough good laughs at his responses that I kept watching just for the next little remark.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
question: Tom Baker is saying he's 760. But I'm certain that the current Doctor said he was 900. So is there a "relative present" on the show that matches our own time (where his companions come from) and then we're to assume that between episodes and series he has had many travels and adventures that have built up 150 years or so of unseen stories? I like that idea a bit more than assuming he had centuries of dicking around and then had to regenerate 8 times in 40 years. It also leaves open the option of untold stories. Like maybe the Fourth Doctor wasn't around for 7 years, he was around for 50 we just only saw 7 of those years.
The age thing is kinda muddled. The second Doctor was 250 years old. I think the sixth said he was 900. I guess you can imply that, since the 4th Doctor wasn't too happy talking about his age with Romana, that maybe he's shaving off a few years out of vanity.
I think there's an 8th Doctor novel or story where he spent 300 years imprisoned by a race of aliens. Pro has more details on that. I remember years ago coming across a website that showed where the Doctor had spots that he could have been (or should have been depending upon some stories) traveling by himself based on the TV show's own stories.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
But you like the newer episodes which spend all their time on Earth?
I like Earth. Earth has many built in story angles and a whole culture in which to write a story around. This was a planet in the dark ages and a lot of time was spent in tunnels. Stories on alien worlds require creating a whole new culture, so the quality of that culture will define the quality of the story taking place there. Earth is Earth, we can see the Doctor in New York during the 1930's and we feel the difference and truly get a sense of time travel. It makes it seem more exciting (to me at least). And it saves them money on creating a CGI city when they can just shoot exterior shots of London in the present. I also think it makes sense to have the show do many Earth-centric episodes. The Doctor is entertaining his companion so he's showing her the past/future of her world. Though I wouldn't mind offworld stories at all. And I think that Earth has been invaded an aweful lot in the present and another invasion soon might be silly.
Overall I felt Ribbos was kind of weak. In fact the whole Key to Time story felt like I was playing Knights of the Old Republic again. Go here, get involved with the locals, and then they get the piece at the end and go to their ship. But, let me say that I do like Baker. In all the ones I've watched he had a lot of funny lines. Even when bored with the overall story, I got enough good laughs at his responses that I kept watching just for the next little remark.
You'll probably like Hartnell's run. The original idea for the show was to be half-assed educational and teach both science and history in the same show. So the first Doctor spent his first couple of years traveling mostly in Earth's past and encountering the likes of Nero and Richard the Lionheart as well as cavemen and Aztecs.
You'll probably like Hartnell's run. The original idea for the show was to be half-assed educational and teach both science and history in the same show. So the first Doctor spent his first couple of years traveling mostly in Earth's past and encountering the likes of Nero and Richard the Lionheart as well as cavemen and Aztecs.
was it like it is now with aliens in in the 1950's and werewolves in the 1890's? or just straight history?
It's mostly the Doctor and companions dealing with the people of the time period and location. I the only aliens in the past that I can think about was one in which the Doctor came across another Timelord disguised as a monk who wanted to change the history of England regarding the viking raids.
Hartnell's Doctor was the first Doctor to encounter the Daleks in episode two, called " The Daleks ", and the Cybermen in his final episode called " The Tenth Planet", which was also the very first time we see a timelord regenerate.
Following a series of unconfirmed reports across the media this morning, we're delighted to officially confirm that Billie Piper will return as Rose Tyler in Series Four of Doctor Who.
Anything you may read elsewhere about when, how or for how long Rose returns to Doctor Who should be treated as pure speculation at this point.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
question: Tom Baker is saying he's 760. But I'm certain that the current Doctor said he was 900.
So is there a "relative present" on the show that matches our own time (where his companions come from) and then we're to assume that between episodes and series he has had many travels and adventures that have built up 150 years or so of unseen stories? I like that idea a bit more than assuming he had centuries of dicking around and then had to regenerate 8 times in 40 years. It also leaves open the option of untold stories. Like maybe the Fourth Doctor wasn't around for 7 years, he was around for 50 we just only saw 7 of those years.
Yes, there is a lot of each incarnations life that we never see. The 5th Doctor, Davison, had a lot of the episodes (like Hartnell) bookend into each other. But, there are a few gaps in there. And, given the nature of time travel, all it takes is a single gap.
For example, the 9th Doctor asks Rose to come with him. She says no, and he dematerializes. He reappears again only a minute later, however, he could have been gone a hundred years, and had a hundred adventurers, before coming back to that moment after he left. It's the same with every Doctor, and the main reasoning how Big Finish Audios creates new adventures with past Doctors and companions.
So, it's undoubted that many, many years pass for each incarnation.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
I wonder what you longterm fans feel about regeneration. I came in with Tenth as the current and am able to read about the past ones with the kind of perspective that lets me see it one way, but you guys got attached to actors and then saw the regenerations as they aired. Do you guys feel that it is the same character just from different perspectives, or do you look at each one as being distinctive?
A little of both, really. Doctor Who is brilliant when it comes to the idea of regeneration. It's the only show where the main lead can get killed off at any time. The show can still go on, but, you have to at least say goodbye to that actor.
They always say the first Doctor you watch on the show becomes "your Doctor". It's the one you start out with, and basically defines how you see the character. So, yes, watching in real time with the series, it's always pretty tough to let the one you know go in place of a new guy.
And, he is without a doubt the same character, from different perspectives. Every incarnation just shines the spotlight on a different aspect of the Doctor. And, that's part of the brilliance of the character right there. To legitimately allow ten different actors to flesh him out over forty-plus years, while at the same time retaining that air of mystery. It's a extraordinary balancing act that show pulls off.
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One thing I notice in looking at the past Doctors is that each regeneration seems to be like an update. Wherein the events in the Doctor's life shape the regeneration. For example he was an old man who became younger and more active to match his active life of exploration. The Sixth Doctor being an asshole might be because he in some way blamed his companion for the death of the Fifth. The Seventh Doctor may have been an attempt to be more likeable and friendly. the Eighth Doctor is stronger and younger than the prior ones perhaps because he was caught offguard and shot and died a slow painful death while weak and at the mercy of others. The Ninth seems harder and more basic perhaps in mourning for the loss of the Time Lords, while the Tenth has an accent closer to Rose's and seems to have adopted her joy for their adventures, whereas Ninth was a bit more reserved towards things and had a "seen it" attitude. That's just my take on it.
That's an awesome take, really. I can see where you are coming from in a lot of that. Whatever the current incarnation seems to lack, the next one makes up for or counters it.
I also find it neat that the character seems to run on a cycle of five, when it comes to matching/similar personalities, and the like. You can see what I'm talking about with the pic below. They're not exact, of course. But, the similarity is there...
Yeah, it is. I've got that entire thing on disc. It's the Confidential episode they showed right before "Rose" aired that first night. Want me to rip it and upload it to Rapidshare for you?
Jon Pertwee was the first Doctor on when I really got into the show about 24 years ago.
It was " The Time Monster " that I saw.
It was great fun! I remember seeing those adventures for the first time and going " Wow!" at the end of each episode.
Then Tom Baker's Doctor came around.
He was and still is quite awesome.
I agree with other evaluations of his seven year run: You could tell he was quite bored by season 5, but what he did for the first four years with the character was brilliant and earned him much acclaim as the favorite Doctor of many, including me.
I am not sure? but it seemed like many of those little ad libs were written by him.
Fourth Doctor: " Your name.. it's too long. What is it again? "
Romana: " Romandervratalunda."
Fourth Doctor: " It's too long. If you were in danger, by the time I called out your name to warn you, you would be dead! How about if we shorten it to " Romana" ? "
Romana: " I don't like that."
Fourth Doctor: " It's either that or I call you Fred."
Yeah, it is. I've got that entire thing on disc. It's the Confidential episode they showed right before "Rose" aired that first night. Want me to rip it and upload it to Rapidshare for you?
Fourth Doctor: " Your name.. it's too long. What is it again? "
Romana: " Romandervratalunda."
Fourth Doctor: " It's too long. If you were in danger, by the time I called out your name to warn you, you would be dead! How about if we shorten it to " Romana" ? "
Romana: " I don't like that."
Fourth Doctor: " It's either that or I call you Fred."
Romana: " Okay, Fred it is, then."
Fourth Doctor: " Alright, follow me, Romana."
That was a quote from " The Ribos Operation."
i loved that exchange. in fact that particular bit kept me watching because i got such a laugh out of it.
this is a nicely done video. they took the song from the sequence where the Tenth Doctor tries on a new look and put it with video from various Doctors doing the same. It has some funny stuff, especially Baker's outfits.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
this is a nicely done video. they took the song from the sequence where the Tenth Doctor tries on a new look and put it with video from various Doctors doing the same. It has some funny stuff, especially Baker's outfits.
That's teh first time I've ever seen that...very cool.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Cybermen vs. Daleks. And I loved the Doctor's 3D glasses (hence my current avatar)
Doctor Who avatars rock!
The Tardis in my avatar has a Christmas wreath on it...
there are a lot of us with Doctor Who avatars now.
I'm giving Torchwood a chance, it's actually decent. Nowhere near as good as the main show but it's been ok. Anyone watch the Sarah Jane adventures? Is that any good?
I've never watched Sarah Jane Adventures, it looks to be for very young children.
It's definitley aimed at kids though I wouldn't say very young. The Slitheen were in the first two parter & while they didn't get into the whole business of how they kill people & then wear their skins to look human, well it's not exactly Sesame Street. Sarah at one point decides to let a Slitheen child die begging for it's life because she knows it will just do more hunting & killing.
I find the show watchable but not anything I'm really enthuised about personally. The character of Sarah Jane is a mom now & also fills the role of the Doctor character. She doesn't really get to have any fun like the Doctor does.
I'm watching Planet of the Spiders, John Pertwee's final episode of his reign as The Doctor.
I haven't seen that many Pertwee episodes and was quite surprised when The Doctor fought like six guys at a time.
Did this happen often?
There has been a few times I've seen other Doctors whoop some ass too. Starting with Hartnell.
Pertwee is, essentially, the James Bond Doctor. He fights. He creates/uses gadgets. He drives really fast.
Pertwee was the ass-kicker of The Doctor's. Many incarnations have fought with swords, and/or had to resort to a gun at some point. But, Pertwee is, generally, the only one to get his hands dirty.
Unless, of course, you count Eccleston tossing that guard into a wall in Bad Wolf...
When did this happen? I watch it on BBC America. Is there some other network it's on??
BBC America is always at least one season behind the "current" season we get on the Sci-Fi channel (which is usually at least three-to-six months behind the actual airing in the UK).
While it's off right now, since season four hasn't even started in England yet, the show normally runs every Friday night on the Sci-Fi channel...
Blink is a very good episode if you go to the official doctor Who website (Blink story) you can read the story that the episode is based on...it has the 9th doctor in it and its more comical.
By the way...I was just watching the 2nd season "Army of Ghost"....did anyone else notice that Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) is one of the cybermen controlled Torchwood people!
Blink is a very good episode if you go to the official doctor Who website (Blink story) you can read the story that the episode is based on...it has the 9th doctor in it and its more comical.
By the way...I was just watching the 2nd season "Army of Ghost"....did anyone else notice that Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) is one of the cybermen controlled Torchwood people!
Yeah I noticed Freema Agyeman. I expect that this episode is where the idea came from that she'd make a great assistant.
great episode. very sad. i did love how they went from that to the hillarious shock of the bride standing there and the Doctor saying "what" repeatedly.
a comedy skit david tennant did recently with british comeian catherine tate (the runaway bride and the companion for year 4). it's funny, but in a british way.
A good one. Love the Queen Victoria sub - plot, and the idea of her becoming a werewolf.
" We've ended up 100 years early... in 1879."
School Reunion
Loved it!!! It was splendid seeing Sarah Jane again! Loved her with the fourth Doctor, love her now! She quite lovely for a woman who is a few years ahead of me. ( I am 50 )
Loved also the dialogues between Sarah Jane and Rose, heh!
And...
It was grande seeing K-9 again! Always liked that robotic dog!!!
His sacrifice was very brave, and in keeping with the character.
Loved how this time, Sarah Jane got a proper goodbye from the Doctor.
Loved:
The scene where she sees the Tardis for the first time in 30 years!
How the Doctor concluded that the oil was the key to defeating the creatures.
Loved how K-9 kept saying, " We are in a car." LOL!!!!
And how the Doctor built a new K-9 to be with Sarah Jane.
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Was almost like being back in 1983, when I first got into the show.
This episode:
Is Superb!
This episode:
Is just one more reason why I love the show so damn much.
Yeah, School Reunion is a nice love-letter to the old days, and to Sarah Jane, as well (who, as it happens, was my first companion starting the show).
I've recently begun to play with Photoshop a bit. I still suck at it, compared to Jaburg, Cunty, and Rob. And pretty much everyone else. Everywhere.
However, here is the first picture I created. Each Doctor is from a completely separate picture. I know Tennant isn't too strong, but I'm fucking pleased with how Davison turned out.
Same shot, different effect. You can really see the roughness in Tennant on this pic. Ah, I took a shot.
Yeah, School Reunion is a nice love-letter to the old days, and to Sarah Jane, as well (who, as it happens, was my first companion starting the show).
I've recently begun to play with Photoshop a bit. I still suck at it, compared to Jaburg, Cunty, and Rob. And pretty much everyone else. Everywhere.
However, here is the first picture I created. Each Doctor is from a completely separate picture. I know Tennant isn't too strong, but I'm fucking pleased with how Davison turned out.
Same shot, different effect. You can really see the roughness in Tennant on this pic. Ah, I took a shot.
Here are two more of my fucking around. Same basic idea. Just seeing what I can do differently...
see, I like these. especially the first one with the "ghostly" Doctors. it gives me the notion that he's reaching into his past lives (and a future life) for some sort of. . .something. I don't know.
see, I like these. especially the first one with the "ghostly" Doctors. it gives me the notion that he's reaching into his past lives (and a future life) for some sort of. . .something. I don't know.
Thanks! That's EXACTLY what I was going for, too! Ha! I'm not kidding. That was my thought behind sort of 'shifting' everyone in the pic except Nine...
Speaking of Doctor Who, this next Kraftwerk song has a " Terror of The Autons" feel to it, with a tiny bit of actual footage from that first Jon Pertwee episode:
That scene from The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances is great!
That has to be one of my very favor eps, too, right up there with Father's Day, Family of Blood, Blink, and that two parter with the Daleks and Cybermen.
is Doctor Who released on bittorrent the same night the episodes air? and since i'm in california does that mean i can expect to see it uploaded in the early afternoon due to the 8 hour time difference? I've never had to download an episode when it was new before, only full seasons, and i'm really looking forward to tomorrow's christmas special.
Does it end with Tenant destroying the goverment with six words?
Wrong year, Joseph! Nah, just too much cliched' emotional drivel.
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
I'm assuming that Voyage of the Damned is the continuation of that cliffhanger which left the Tardis impaled on the Titanic?
That's the one. It goes...the end of Season 3...Timecrash...and this episode we're talking about.
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It wasn't bad.
I enjoyed it.
It was okay. I'm not against it. And, it didn't really make me cringe (well, except for the 'slow-motion walking with explosions and fire' stuff...and the "lift" to the bridge). But, it just didn't feel like Who to me, for some reason.
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I liked the new theme. I hope they keep it.
I think maybe that's what threw me about this episode. I don't think I like that theme. Maybe it will grow on me. It's just too...techno. It's like they drown out the bassline and add synthesizers. I mean, as long as it's just for this episode, I'm down. But, it will have to grow on me if it's the new season theme.
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Tennant was great. He has really come into his own.
Yes, absolutely. I have no problems with Tennant these days. He seems 100% grounded in his portrayal, and knows his persona. I don't like the "Alonse'" thing he keeps saying (as well, I don't know what it's supposed to mean, either). But, all in all, he's a damn good Doctor.
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Pro is right there is some Russell T Davies stank on it. However with this one it did need something to light things up.
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I liked the fat couple. I really felt for them. Good characters.
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Otherwise Voyage was pretty dark.
Yeah! Maybe that's the other thing. While I realize it was probably intentional on Davies part (I don't know why), this was a very sad episode. I always expect the Christmas episode to lift me up. This did not at all.
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And that villain was c-a-m-p! Holy crap. Was the whole 'head-on-machine' a nod/parody/stab at Davros? Total camp.
Hmmmmph... I don't see why they had to change the show's theme music!
I never liked the music from the last Tom Baker season onwards.
The music they've had the past three seasons? I always turn the tv volume up a bit, as I do with the Stargate SG - 1 and Star Trek: VOyager themes as they are quite pleasing to hear.
brief interview with RTD from the same website. not much insight into Davies' writing or thoughts, though except for this bit:
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“We must stop Doctor Who from becoming commonplace,” he says. “That’s why we spend so much extra time, and money and thought on the Christmas special. It’s an awful responsibility – especially when you have an audience of kids.”
if he doesn't want it to be commonplace, why does he spend so much time in modern day london?
Watched the Voyage Christmas special & thought it was ok but the previous 2 were better. I think it comes down to it being a darker episode & like others have said it's not what I was looking for in a Christmas special. Not sure in the change of the theme music either. It's not awful but I really liked what it replaced.
The sneak peak at series 4 was tantalizing & with all the talk about who is going to be around I'm very much looking forward to this one.
Not sure in the change of the theme music either. It's not awful but I really liked what it replaced.
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The sneak peak at series 4 was tantalizing & with all the talk about who is going to be around I'm very much looking forward to this one.
I think seeing Donna running around, dressed the way she was, it reminded me a lot of The X-Files. She has a very Scully look in those previews. I like!
brief interview with RTD from the same website. not much insight into Davies' writing or thoughts, though except for this bit:
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“We must stop Doctor Who from becoming commonplace,” he says. “That’s why we spend so much extra time, and money and thought on the Christmas special. It’s an awful responsibility – especially when you have an audience of kids.”
if he doesn't want it to be commonplace, why does he spend so much time in modern day london?
A better question....he thought NOT being commonplace was that cheesepuff of a Xmas Special?!
I had heard about the Cornell story, but hadn't read it. Thanks for the link!
I liked the Christmas Special...but I didn't love it...maybe I'm expecting more because it's Who...truth is...I don't like Daives...he's trite and pushes it off to be deep. His Dr Who stuff is tolerable....his Torchwood stuff is horrible
Did Davies watch the Poseidon Adventure and Robots of Death before writing this? Decent ep. At least Davies used the uber magic fixer-upper at the beginning to fix the TARDIS than at the end to wrap up the plot. I also like that he's keeping continuity with how aliens really tend to fuck with London around Christmas thanks to the last two specials. As far as the new theme, I don't hate it; though it does have a little of the 80's synth in it. I prefer the theme to be more otherworldly like it originally was. The new series has a bit of that with the violins kinda fucking it up. I don't mind the addition. I just think they should have come up with another way to realize it than with conventional instruments.
I liked Fear Her. that creepy girl needed a slap though. just for the raspy voice alone. The end with the Doctor was corny, but still it worked. And I liked how fun and playful the episodewas. Some really funny moments and a nice ending.
BIG FINISH, the production company that makes the past-Doctors audio episodes...and who pretty much make up the complete era of Paul McGann's 8th Doctor...are beginning to offer their stories as downloads. They start around $8 dollars. Pretty damn cheap, considering you're getting a full multi-hour episode. Also considering that, after you pay overseas shipping for the physical disc copies, they would normally run you between $20-$40.
Doctor's 5 - 8 all have entire "seasons" of Big Finish stories. I think only about ten are available for download so far, as they're just starting out. Still, looks like it might be a good deal. I'll tell you after I download one...
Steven Moffat is apparently the new showrunner for Doctor Who, after the “gap year" from 2010 onwards. Oh, and The BBC has commissioned 24 episodes of “The Sarah Jane Adventures" over two years. Yes sir!
He's another one of those guys that is a very acquired taste! Personally I hope the rumour I heard late last year, is true about who might be the new Who!
Its about time they spiced things up with the Doctor. Its always a white male, only the age and accent changes. A woman or a negro would be the way to go.
Imagine the fun that could be had. The woman would always crash the tardis and the negro would get arrested for suspicion of stealing it!
A female Doctor? Fuck right off! Not only would that not make sense, given we've seen the different sexes of Time Lords, but would be horribly, horribly gay. I am very against the idea of a female playing The Doctor. Don't care about race or nationality. They can get Morgan Freeman, Kelsey Grammar, or fucking Jason Statham for all I care. But not Jennifer Saunders. Ugh.
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23428478-details/Jennifer+Saunders+tipped+as+the+next+Dr+Who/article.do Also Rhys Ifans I would not complain about.
Yeah, I've dug Ifans since The Replacements. He'd be awesome.
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Got nothing against the guy. Got Jekyll in my Netflix queue right now...
How would it not make sense? Does it make sense that everytime he changes he looks completely different or has a different accent or different personality? Changing to a woman makes just as much sense.
Just cause you have seen female timelords, doesnt mean they were female in all their regenerations!
Saunders is a better actress than you give her credit for. Dont judge her purely on Absolutely Fabulous, as that was a huge pile of cack!
Man...it's not that I don't like Saunders. I've liked her for years. But, I just can't get into the idea of The Doctor changing sexes. Not saying it couldn't happen. But, it just wouldn't make sense to me.
I could be wrong. They might cast a woman, and she might be great. But, I just don't see it gelling with the rest of the entire history of the show. As far as we've always seen, one way or another, there are male and female Time Lords. I just don't see that as being interchangeable. It's one thing for a male Time Lord to regenerate his entire form and grey matter. It's another for him to just jump tracks and become a female.
Really. She's a genuinely funny chick, a good actress, and she's in the top three (as of this writing) on Top Gear's celebrity test track, beating out Gordon Ramsay and almost beating Simon Cowell - and she did it on a wet track. The gal kicks all manner of arse.
Really. She's a genuinely funny chick, a good actress, and she's in the top three (as of this writing) on Top Gear's celebrity test track, beating out Gordon Ramsay and almost beating Simon Cowell - and she did it on a wet track. The gal kicks all manner of arse.
How would it not make sense? Does it make sense that everytime he changes he looks completely different or has a different accent or different personality? Changing to a woman makes just as much sense.
Just cause you have seen female timelords, doesnt mean they were female in all their regenerations!
skin color is one thing, but gender requires a change in chromosomes and hormones and growing boobs and inverted penises.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Yes, and completely rearanging your atoms couldnt do that could it! Its sci-fi people, normal rules dont apply otherwise the tardis is fucked!
sci-fi always must maintain an internal consistency. when the writers disregard that they risk alienating fans and turning the show into a joke.
And changing how The Doctor looks and sounds is inconsistant how?
a gender change is totally different. with the past regenerations it's still the same basic stuff being altered. I'm sure they could do it and give some explanation, but I think it'd be stupid to switch genders. It would have to be handled perfectly without a single misstep. And the female doctor would have to be played by an incredible actress who can be funny and smart and pull off gender confusion. So yeah they could do it, but it could destroy the franchise and possibly the world.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
sci-fi always must maintain an internal consistency. when the writers disregard that they risk alienating fans and turning the show into a joke.
Agreed. Otherwise, it's just another Russel T. Davies whims of "magic"!
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a gender change is totally different. with the past regenerations it's still the same basic stuff being altered. I'm sure they could do it and give some explanation, but I think it'd be stupid to switch genders. It would have to be handled perfectly without a single misstep. And the female doctor would have to be played by an incredible actress who can be funny and smart and pull off gender confusion. So yeah they could do it, but it could destroy the franchise and possibly the world.
Yes. Correct.
In the end, the point of making The Doctor a woman is nonexistent. There's no reason to do so. It does not drive the story. It's irrelevant to the plot. It not only makes no sense, but would literally add nothing to the franchise, in the least. It would be just making him a woman to make him a woman. No point, because it doesn't add anything to the character. Except breasts.
How can something that hasnt even been written "not make sense"? For all you know a story could ne written that makes a hell of a lot of sense, and if you think making The Doctor a woman would add nothing to the franchise just shows how closed minded you are. Changing the Doctors sex would add just as much, if not more than changing it from one white male actor to another actor. If written properly it would make more sense and maybe actual push the writers to not just rely on generic stories that are solved by a sonic screwdriver.
Using the white male Doctor everytime is a comfort zone.
Its quite funny how you can accept that an actor you dont know, would bring something to the role but you cant accept that a major shakeup of the character would bring absolutely nothing to the character, especially when you note that she is a talented actress!
Closed mindedness is a funny thing, especially when you have accused other people of similar things when the didnt accept a major comic book character change, and that was after it happened and was judged of something that someone had actually read!
What it boils down to is that you have an idea of what the Doctor should be, and anything that doesnt fit into your "ideal" just isnt gonna work!
In the end, the point of making The Doctor a woman is nonexistent. There's no reason to do so. It does not drive the story. It's irrelevant to the plot. It not only makes no sense, but would literally add nothing to the franchise, in the least. It would be just making him a woman to make him a woman. No point, because it doesn't add anything to the character. Except breasts.
Aren't those enough?
Besides, how many Battlestar Galactica fanboys whined the same thing when the reboot made Apollo and Boomer chicks?
In the end, the point of making The Doctor a woman is nonexistent. There's no reason to do so. It does not drive the story. It's irrelevant to the plot. It not only makes no sense, but would literally add nothing to the franchise, in the least. It would be just making him a woman to make him a woman. No point, because it doesn't add anything to the character. Except breasts.
Aren't those enough?
Besides, how many Battlestar Galactica fanboys whined the same thing when the reboot made Apollo and Boomer chicks?
but they didn't have the old Apollo and Boomer morph into women, they just changed the characters in the reboot.
How can something that hasnt even been written "not make sense"?
Because I just said it didn't. Keep up!
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For all you know a story could ne written that makes a hell of a lot of sense, and if you think making The Doctor a woman would add nothing to the franchise just shows how closed minded you are.
No, it just shows that I have a strong opinion (much like you), and think it's a ridiculous idea.
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Changing the Doctors sex would add just as much, if not more than changing it from one white male actor to another actor.
I don't see it.
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If written properly it would make more sense and maybe actual push the writers to not just rely on generic stories that are solved by a sonic screwdriver.
How the hell does making him a woman keep them from copping out with the Sonic Screwdriver? I don't see the logical connection.
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Using the white male Doctor everytime is a comfort zone.
You seem to be bouncing back and forth between saying he should be a woman, and saying he should be non-white. I have no problem with a different ethnicity. I do have a problem with a different sex.
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Its quite funny how you can accept that an actor you dont know, would bring something to the role
Who do I not know that I said would bring something to the role?
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but you cant accept that a major shakeup of the character would bring absolutely nothing to the character, especially when you note that she is a talented actress!
I can't accept that a major shakeup would bring nothing to the character? I don't understand what you're trying to say here, man.
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Closed mindedness is a funny thing, especially when you have accused other people of similar things when the didnt accept a major comic book character change, and that was after it happened and was judged of something that someone had actually read!
Calm down. Just because I disagree completely with the whole idea doesn't mean you have to get on a self-righteous soapbox and start lumping everything I've ever said into black-and-white absolutes. Because I don't like the idea doesn't mean I'm "close minded". I just think it's a nonsense idea, thought up by TPTB to "shake things up" for no apparent reason. And, I have yet to hear a logical, rational reason for why it should happen. Other than "shock" value, of course.
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What it boils down to is that you have an idea of what the Doctor should be, and anything that doesnt fit into your "ideal" just isnt gonna work!
That's very close-minded of you, Cunty. Nowhere have I said anything like that. I have an idea of what the character is like, based on 40 years of the show. I just don't like the idea of randomly switching sexes like that, is all.
Breasts? I guess that's as close to a good reason as I'm ever going to hear...
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Besides, how many Battlestar Galactica fanboys whined the same thing when the reboot made Apollo and Boomer chicks?
Two supporting characters in an ensemble show that hadn't been on the air in twenty-years, versus the main character, of a current show? I don't see the comparison. I mean, I know what you're trying to say. But, I don't think the analogy works.
I've just finished watching season 3, I gotta say my two favourite episodes in this season must be "42" and "Blink" followed by Utopia, The Sound of Drums and Last of the Time Lords.
While I liked the entire season "42" and "Blink" were the two best.
I've just finished watching season 3, I gotta say my two favourite episodes in this season must be "42" and "Blink" followed by Utopia, The Sound of Drums and Last of the Time Lords.
While I liked the entire season "42" and "Blink" were the two best.
yeah those two do stand out as just amazing, especially Blink. Sally Sparrow was very cute, and I love the weeping angels.
Stephen Moffat just cannot be stopped. His obvious love and affection for the show goes back to the parody he wrote for Children In Need, Curse of the Fatal Death. He has written probably my favorite episodes of each season: The Empty Child/Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, and Blink. I think he has the best grasp of Doctor Who since Douglas Adams. And, knowing my obsession/love for Adams, that's saying something...
I disagree. I think it's awkward, doesn't look like Baker, and anyone who's never seen than episode doesn't know WHAT the fuck is going on. I like the Delgado Master one better...
these are all the regeneration scenes along with some before and after. kind of neat to be able to trace the Doctor from one to the next but it's hard to get around the strangeness of William Hartnell winding up as David Tenant, but that's part of the fun of the show I guess.
this guy on youtube made tribute videos for each Doctor. normally i don't like those but this guy did a great job on them. The Tom Baker, McCoy, and Tenant videos are especially well done.
Not bad, as far as season openers go. Kind of slow in the beginning, I hate the new theme song, and that little 'wave' scene at the end was gay as all hell. Overall, though, I dug it. I liked the female villain, and the actress herself was very good. Tate hasn't really registered for me yet. I wasn't feeling her in this episode. But, she doesn't bother me at all. I kind of like her weirdness. Her character needs some fleshing out, though.
And what about that nice little 'nut-shot' at the end, huh? Did NOT see that coming!
i enjoyed it, much more than the Christmas Special. I've seen some Catherine Tate youtube clips and just don't find her funny, but with David Tennant her style of humor works just right. I enjoyed the overall story, the duel investigating, and even the cheesy waving at the end had a nice feel to it.
I liked the "Close Encounters" thingy. I'm trying not to spoil.
That blaring sound it made was awesome. Really added a lot to the moment. And I watched it again this morning. You know...sober. Anyway, I'm still digging that Sarah Lancashire woman that played 'Miss Foster'. She was really, really smooth in that role. Nowhereman, is she known in the UK for anything?
As for Tate, I don't know that I always find her funny, really. But, her character is very much set up to be a new kind of 'Tegan'; mouthy, brassy, and shouty. I think the 'weirdness' I get from Tate (and I'm not sure if she's doing it on purpose as a character trait, or it's naturally like that) is how she pronounciates words, and holds her mouth. It's kind of disjointed and bizarre at times. Cunty, what's her accent? What region is that?
God, this episode was pretty shitty! Firstly the cutesy little fat babies was just too kiddy friendly for my tastes.
Tate was fucking annoying. I mean, the whole bit where she is hanging asking for help, then when Doc helps her, she tells him to get off.....why? It was neither funny nor made any sense!
Bernard Cribbins as the mad old man looking for aliens was just a gay set up for Tate to waffle on about how her life is unfulfilled (and the bit at the end with her in the Tardis waving at him made me vomit from all the sugary essence it gave off)!
The bit with the news reporter constantly getting tied up, was funny though!
I kinda zoned out when Tate talked at any point with her over pronouced common London accent and her constant facial contortions, so I missed exactly why she was investigating the company.
Also, in the dumb stakes was two incidents involving the sonic pen. Firstly, if The Doctor really had no idea what would happen if two sonic devices were put together, why would he do it? For all he knew, it could have killed himself, or caused the world to explode of something. Mabe it can be written off as he did know really, but was just being flippant!
The second thing though was when he discarded it in a bin. Oh yeah, thats an intelligent way of disposing of a powerful device/weapon.
Tennant, I liked as usual, but so much of his time was spent mooning over Martha and Rose!
I seriously hope this is not how the series is gonna continue!
Normally I sit here rolling my eyes at you guys all nerding out and whining about his writing style, but this episode for me, was the worst one I have ever seen!
It was probably made worse by Tate, but I think even Billie and Freema would have had trouble making this episode good.
I also hope we dont get a repeat of the "must feature assisants family as much as possible" angle that has been so prevailant in the new run. But then again, assuming its gonna be another series of "cant leave modern day Earth", then I fully expect to see her annoying mother and cliched grand father over and over again!
Normally I sit here rolling my eyes at you guys all nerding out and whining about his writing style, but this episode for me, was the worst one I have ever seen!
It was probably made worse by Tate, but I think even Billie and Freema would have had trouble making this episode good.
I also hope we dont get a repeat of the "must feature assisants family as much as possible" angle that has been so prevailant in the new run. But then again, assuming its gonna be another series of "cant leave modern day Earth", then I fully expect to see her annoying mother and cliched grand father over and over again!
At least the next episode steps outside that box!
The new episode seemed to really be geared to small children this time.
I felt like I was watching Doctor Teletubbie at points.
Also in all honesty if you look at the digital sets in the preview for the next episode, they look like dogshit.
But the sets looking like dogshit was always part of the original shows charm. Thats kinda why it pisses me off with nearly every episode being in modern day England, cause they dont want to have shitty sets! Bring back the shitty sets I say!
Just watched the season opener & really liked it. Then again I enjoyed the Donna character from that Christmas episode. She breaks the traditional mode of the Doctor's usual pretty assisants. For the guys who don't care for her, from what I've read about the rest of the season you'll have lots of eye candy. We already got a cameo from a "ghost" at the end of this episode. For me I've liked both Rose, Martha & Jack but it's neat having someone more average thrown into the mix.
BTW the theme music seemed different from the Christmas special or at least this time I detected what sounded like the drums the Master was always hearing.
Just watched the season opener & really liked it. Then again I enjoyed the Donna character from that Christmas episode. She breaks the traditional mode of the Doctor's usual pretty assisants. For the guys who don't care for her, from what I've read about the rest of the season you'll have lots of eye candy. We already got a cameo from a "ghost" at the end of this episode. For me I've liked both Rose, Martha & Jack but it's neat having someone more average thrown into the mix.
BTW the theme music seemed different from the Christmas special or at least this time I detected what sounded like the drums the Master was always hearing.
i've heard rose, martha, and jack will be back this year. i just hope there is at least one episode with all of them. i think it'd be interesting to see multiple companions. my favorite ninth doctor episodes were when he had jack and rose to deal with, and my favorite 2nd season ones were with mickey and rose. three people just gives it a better dynamic.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Just watched the season opener & really liked it. Then again I enjoyed the Donna character from that Christmas episode. She breaks the traditional mode of the Doctor's usual pretty assisants. For the guys who don't care for her, from what I've read about the rest of the season you'll have lots of eye candy. We already got a cameo from a "ghost" at the end of this episode. For me I've liked both Rose, Martha & Jack but it's neat having someone more average thrown into the mix.
BTW the theme music seemed different from the Christmas special or at least this time I detected what sounded like the drums the Master was always hearing.
i've heard rose, martha, and jack will be back this year. i just hope there is at least one episode with all of them. i think it'd be interesting to see multiple companions. my favorite ninth doctor episodes were when he had jack and rose to deal with, and my favorite 2nd season ones were with mickey and rose. three people just gives it a better dynamic.
i hope so. jackie also. i liked rose's family, they were fun and had the right balance of whining about her being gone but accepting she was going to leave. and the Doctor (both of them) had great chemistry with them. Martha's family was kind of useless aside from the Master arc, and so far I am not impressed with Donna's family. I can honestly say that after the Christmas Special last year I at no point thought "I wish we could see more of that old newspaper vendor who worked on Christmas."
Yeah they kind of 'over-played' his character. But, still, the guy's just a stand-in, as it were. The actor that played her father the first time died. So, they re-wrote the father's part for him...
In 1993 there was a low budget series called Airzone Solution. It was about pollution in the near future. It is notable for gathering 4 of the then 5 living Doctors as well as several Doctor Who co-stars. Long story short, the above video is the Sixth Doctor and Peri getting it on. I wasn't sure it was really them until I went to the wikipedia page and saw this picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Airzone_Solution
a good episode last night. Donna is turning out to be a great companion. she has enough of an attitude to cause trouble for the Doctor but not enough to make me hate her. I like the ancient setting, and they had a good moral qualm for the Doctor along with Donna showing a strong moral fiber.
Also, regarding the posters who complained above about too many Earth/London-based episodes in the current series I read it has to do with ratings and opinion polls.
No, it has a lot to do with the fact they dont want to build sets as bad as the old ones and dont have the budget to have too many new ones! Fuck that, they have forgotten one of the things most people loved about the original show, the piss poor sets and crappy costumes!
No, it has a lot to do with the fact they dont want to build sets as bad as the old ones and dont have the budget to have too many new ones! Fuck that, they have forgotten one of the things most people loved about the original show, the piss poor sets and crappy costumes!
do you really want them to try and make bad tv? should they aim for piss poor and crappy? the reason those old sets and costumes looked like they did was because of budget and the limitations of the time. But even then they were trying to make it look as good as possible.
And they still have budget limitations, hence the constant modern day England! Whats the point of having a machine that travels through time and space when you do neither?
They basically waste their whole effects budget on one or two episodes, then have to spend the rest of the time doing the modern day England stuff!
As for limitations of the time, you are completely wrong on that. TV shows and films being made at the same time proved the limitations were far higher than Doctor Who pushed. It was (and still is) purely budget related. BBC does not have the budget to have sets and costumes as good as its peers for a whole series. If they spread the budget out more, the sets and costumes would suffer, but they would still be better than the original shows!
If you want a guy to to stay in modern day England all the time, fighting aliens, why not just create a whole new series? A timelord who does not timetravel is like doing a Flash tv series and having him walk everywhere!
This last episode kicked ass! It was one of the best episodes I've seen a long while, and actually felt like old-school Who for me. Good stuff!
As for the current debate, it basically boils down to RTD & Co. not wanting to look bad, or for people to make fun of the work they're doing. They're scared to get too sci-fi for fear of disenfranchising the lowest common denominator demographic that watched it for the 'squee/soap/I wuv Wose' elements. I promise, if pure sci-fi was suddenly en vogue, RTD would be pumping out 13 episodes of non-stop space/time travel.
Still, hopefully whoever replaces him when he leaves will be daring enough to try an entire season that doesn't even go to Earth. I mean, if a determining criteria for your enjoyment of watching Doctor Who is to whether you can relate to the simplistic family/relationship problems, then you're simply watching the wrong show.
And, looks like next week we'll have an alien planet...
Just saw it. It was a good episode with a nice little nod to Hartnell's era. Hopefully, they'll follow more along the lines of this episode rather than the series opener.
When he was telling Donna why he can't save Pompeii, I was reminded of two previous instances. The first was Hartnell in The Aztecs where the Doctor tells Barbara that he can't change history. He knows because he's tried. The other was Baker in Genesis of the Daleks where he's debating whether he had the right to decide the fate of the Daleks even though they were evil.
And, please, tell me I'm not the only one who got the Rome burning reference.
I think that's what I really like about this episode. As kick ass as Blink and The Empty Child are, I understand that not every episode can be like them for that very reason; but, at the very least, they need to be as good as this one.
Yeah, it was TOTAL old-school Who. And, what a pleasant, mature breath of air not to have RTD come along at five minute intervals with a pop culture joke or reference.
Over on the OG Boards, some comparing how old-school this felt, and went into dialogging the argument between the Doctor and Donna about going back for the family:
Hartnell: "Come along, Miss Noble, come along, and don't dilly-dally! You barge in here, you invite yourself aboard my ship, and you want to tell me who should be shaved? Saved?? Mmmm?? Oh-ho! I think not, my dear, no, I think not. We must leave them all, unless you want to end up as a cinder revolving in Rome..."
Troughton: "Oh dear, oh dear dear. You want to know why we can't save them don't you... Well it's all frightfully complicated. Oh I do wish you wouldn't bother me with these questions Donna... Eh? Bring them into the ship? Well, I can't, I simply can't... oh... oh... well, since you put it like that..."
Pertwee: "But don't you see Donna? If I save these people I break one of the most important rules of all. Yes, there's free will, of course there is. But not for a Time Lord. We're bound by the laws of time - and I've always had the utmost respect for them. Well, nearly always... I remember, when I was young - I saw something beautiful, in a tiny little world - a place my guru never noticed. And one day, when danger loomed there, I saved that world. The wrong world, Donna. I saved it, but then its influence grew and grew. Its empire expanded, until that tiny beautiful thing was squashed. Destroyed through the very mercy I'd shown..."
Baker (Adams era): "You want me to barge in and save everyone? That's very noble Donna,but completely out of the question and inappropriate. I mean, if I lived at the base of a volcano and I'd waited 17 years for it to erupt, I'd be rather agitated if someone came along and disturbed my plans at the last possible moment by rescuing me.
Wouldn't you be agitated? I mean I'd be agitated.
Anyway, who am I to stop a perfectly good death? Especially ones executed with such style and on such a grandiose scale? Would you like a Jelly Baby? Go on. Have one of the purple ones."
Baker (other seasons): "Marvellous people, the Romans. Well - a shame about the slavery, of course. But the viaducts, the plumbing! Oh, the plumbing. Marvellous. You know, I met David Lynch once. 'Doctor,' he said to me, there's nothing more satisfying than the careful redistribution of water.' ........ What??? Me??? Not care about the victims? How dare you! We'll see who doesn't care, won't we K9! Yes....... [mumbling] That girl Donna doesn't have a clue. Me? Not care? Ha! [Aloud] Well come on then, Caecilius! What are you waiting for! Yes, all of you, bring the kids, bring the wife! We're heading for the hills, and DON"T touch the switches."
Davison: "Now then Donna, have a little faith. There's a perfectly reasonable explanation - if you'd just let me finish. Just like you to overlook the complicated, eh? Unless I can create a self-contained quantum metastatic-bubble for them to sit in, they'll simply wink out of existence as soon as we land. That wasn't the engines you heard, it was the meta-bubble porting in through the hysteretic modifier. No, I don't know what it means either, but it seems to work. Now - inside everyone, hurry along there Quintus, there's a good fellow... if I can just programme the bubble to fit your individual heat signatures... There! Four healthy happy walking talking time anomalies! [murmurs] Pity I forgot about this for Adric..."
McCoy: "Ace!!
Can't you see?!
NONE of them can be saved.
It was *I* who went back to the beginning of the earth's formation. Patiently, endlessly, running my fingers over a single spot on the still cooling crust. Knowing that I was creating the volcanic weak spot.
The spot over which, over the eons, Vesuvius would grow. Colliding, Erupting, Growing, Burning, Building throughout all geologic time! Until this VERY MOMENT when Pompeii is consumed. And then, discovered again. Uncovered again.
So that in the 29th century, I can defeat the Ogrons."
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In 1993 there was a low budget series called Airzone Solution. It was about pollution in the near future. It is notable for gathering 4 of the then 5 living Doctors as well as several Doctor Who co-stars. Long story short, the above video is the Sixth Doctor and Peri getting it on. I wasn't sure it was really them until I went to the wikipedia page and saw this picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Airzone_Solution
I've actually watched one of those pseudo-Doctor-type shows. I think it was called "Zero Imperative" or something like that. It's been a long time. But, I do remember it had Jon Pertwee, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy, and a couple of the companions all playing different characters. Pretty fun, in a fanboy sense...
Ok, so this series we will get to meet the Doctors supposed daughter who is played by Peter Davisons daughter! I'd do her!
Yeah, I heard about this. And, yes, she IS pretty hot...
She has a real sci-fi heritage! Her dad was Doctor Who, her mum was Trillion from the Hitchhikers tv show and her best friend at school was Colin Bakers daughter!
anyone know where i can watch some of the original series online? i watched Shada on youtube (Tom Baker is so great at his delivery that his narration made up for the missing scenes) and watched the first two episodes of Genesis of the Daleks before I realized the whole serial wasn't uploaded. anyone know of a good site that has older episodes? Especially Genesis of the Daleks, I'd like to finish that as it cut out at the point where Davros introduced the Dalek prototype and I'd like to see where it goes.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
anyone know where i can watch some of the original series online? i watched Shada on youtube (Tom Baker is so great at his delivery that his narration made up for the missing scenes) and watched the first two episodes of Genesis of the Daleks before I realized the whole serial wasn't uploaded. anyone know of a good site that has older episodes? Especially Genesis of the Daleks, I'd like to finish that as it cut out at the point where Davros introduced the Dalek prototype and I'd like to see where it goes.
Genesis is one of my favorites. It's especially good to see how well Baker is doing in the character so early into his run. That's only his forth story in his run.
Genesis of the Daleks, along with Talons of Weng-Chiang, The Robots of Death, City of Death, and Caves of Androzani, is considered to be one of the best episodes in the history of the series. Possibly the best, depending on who you ask.
I think I would put Moffat's episodes in that line-up, as well. The Empty Child, Girl in the Fireplace, and Blink are all instant classics to me.
UNlike this last, weird, gross episode Planet of the Ood. Wasn't bad, but wasn't great. Just kind of...flat, really...
UNlike this last, weird, gross episode Planet of the Ood. Wasn't bad, but wasn't great. Just kind of...flat, really...
I liked it. It isn't the best since the relaunch, but I really can't find much against it. It kinda reminded me of Spearhead from Space as far as how much violence they put into it. I'm surprised they let the Ood transformation be shown the way they did. And look at it this way, next week you get proper Sontarians.
I liked the Ood episode. I enjoyed them in the Satan Pit story and I thought they did a good job of explaining them this week. Donna is growing on me, she's smart and makes good observations (like the Ood having to be peaceful because they have their brain in their hands and can't risk fighting) and she also has a good moral center (or I guess "centre" since she's British) which helps push along the Doctor, and he seems like he needs someone to make him care about the little people instead of just fighting the monsters attacking them.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
anyone know where i can watch some of the original series online? i watched Shada on youtube (Tom Baker is so great at his delivery that his narration made up for the missing scenes) and watched the first two episodes of Genesis of the Daleks before I realized the whole serial wasn't uploaded. anyone know of a good site that has older episodes? Especially Genesis of the Daleks, I'd like to finish that as it cut out at the point where Davros introduced the Dalek prototype and I'd like to see where it goes.
Genesis is one of my favorites. It's especially good to see how well Baker is doing in the character so early into his run. That's only his forth story in his run.
Baker has a good charm to him. I really enjoyed Shada and the others of his. Of the original series he and (a distant second) Mccoy are fun, fun enough to carry the cheesy sets and special effects. I wish I had been able to watch it as a kid but before the current series all I ever saw of Doctor Who was the unfortunate 1996 movie.
I'm not saying I didn't like the Ood episode. It just didn't strike the same, superior chord with me that Pompeii did, that's all. However, props to them for finally getting us to an actual alien planet.
And while the TVM was a bad plot and execution, the look of the thing worked for the mid-90's. Not to mention, Paul McGann is so good as The Doctor, and the TARDIS interior was gorgeous.
Speaking of Tom Baker, here's the ending excerpt from his autobiographical Who on Earth is Tom Baker? video:
# Tom Baker The Fourth Doctor Fourth Doctor Tom Baker with 2nd Head and Sonic Screwdriver as seen in the four part serial Revenge of the Cybermen (1975). Features The Fourth Doctor (1974-1981) in velvet jacket and long scarf and includes interchangeable heads; one with wide-brimmed hat, one without. The Cybermen are on a mission to destroy asteroid Voga with its huge resource of gold, the nemesis of the Cybermen, when they run up against The Fourth Doctor
# Peter Davison The Fifth Doctor Fifth Doctor Peter Davison (1982-1984) with Sonic Screwdriver, cream-coloured long coat and cricket jumper as seen in the two part serial Resurrection of the Daleks (1984) in which The Doctor battles to prevent the Daleks from releasing Davros, their creator, from a prison space station
# Colin Baker The Sixth Doctor Sixth Doctor Colin Baker with Sonic Lance as seen in the two part episode Attack of the Cybermen (1985) with multi-coloured long coat. The 6th Doctor (1984-1986) must foil a Cybermen plot to redirect the path of Halley's Comet and prevent a catastrophic collision with Earth
# Sea Devil Sea Devil with Heat Ray. This species of reptilian amphibians first appeared confronting Third Doctor John Pertwee in The Sea Devils (1972), resurfacing in Warriors of the Deep (1984). The Sea Devils are cold-blooded humanoid reptiles with large eyes and hook-shaped turtle beaks. Aggressive in nature they sport handheld weapons and chain mail effect body armour
# Zygon As seen in the Forth Doctor Tom Baker era four-part episode Terror of the Zygons (1975). The Zygons are shape-shifters, though the natural Zygon form is of a dome-headed, orange humanoid biped with multiple octopus-like suckers. The chief warlord of the Zygons is Broton. Importantly, the Zygon carry a signalling device to summon the Skarasen, a cybernetic organism, on whose lactic fluid they depend
# SV7 Super Voc and D84 D Class Robots These robot droids are from the four part Fourth Doctor episode The Robots of Death (1977). Aboard Storm Mine 4, an enormous sandminer vehicle searching for minerals on a far off planet, Fourth Doctor Tom Baker encounters robots reprogrammed to destroy their human colleagues. The silver-coloured Super Voc robots, like SV7, can speak and control the other robots.
# D84 Apparently of lower artificial intelligence, D84 is in reality an agent robot planted by the mining company to spy on deranged scientist Taren Capel
# Magnus Greel & Mr Sin From the Tom Baker 4th Doctor serial The Talons of Weng-Chiang (1977). The murderous Magnus Greel, ex-'Justice' Minister of the Supreme Alliance is culpable in the deaths of tens of thousands. Mr Sin is a cybernetic organism, a toy robot with pig parts, also from the 51st century with a prediliction for destruction. Mr Sin flees with Magnus Greel to 19th century China where Greel manipulates the sinister cult of Weng-Chiang in order to relocate his missing time cabinet. Magnus Greel wears a black and gold Samurai outfit and warrior's helmet; the figure includes a 2nd Head accessory
# K-1 K-1 Robot as seen in the fourth Doctor’s first episode in 1974. Each Wave 1 Classic Series figure pack comes with a different collectable part of the giant K-1 robot. When all eight packs are collected, the giant K-1 robot can be fully assembled. Classic figures with robot parts included are Tom Baker and the robot’s hip, Peter Davidson and the robot’s right arm and Colin Baker plus the robot’s upper chest. Other figures and monsters each with a robot part include the Sea Devil, Zygon, Magnus Greel & Mr Sin, SV7 and D84
# Classic Dalek Set The Classic Dalek Set features three 5" Daleks from the Classic Series episodes. The three Daleks included are as seen in The Dead Planet (1963), The Planet of the Daleks (1973) and Genesis of the Daleks (1975)
Wave 2
* 7th Doctor Sylvester McCoy Seventh Doctor (1987-1996) Sylvester McCoy without Hat as seen in Ghost Light (1989) * 8th Doctor * Ice Warrior First appeared in The Ice Warriors (1967) as heavily armoured reptiles with claw hands * Morbius Monster With 'goldfish bowl' head and giant crab claw as seen in The Brain of Morbius (1976) alongside Fourth Doctor Tom Baker and companion Sarah Jane Smith * Mummy with Jar The Mummy robot will include an urn accessory. As seen in Pyramids of Mars (1975) with Tom Baker and Sarah Jane Smith * Tenth Planet Cyberman 10th Planet Cyberman finished in semi-transparent plastic. As seen in the four part serial The Tenth Planet (1966), featuring the First Doctor William Hartnell. In the first ever appearance of The Cybermen they land at the Antarctic on a mission to relocate all humans to the planet Mondas for transformation into Cybermen * Voc Robot In green with number stickers * Extra Figure Collect all the figures in the wave to assemble an extra figure, like the K-1 Robot in Wave 1 figure packs
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* 3rd Doctor Third Doctor Who Jon Pertwee (1970-1974) * Special Weapons Dalek As seen in the four part serial Remembrance of the Daleks (1988). The heavy Special Weapons Dalek has the white and gold Imperial Dalek livery but has far thicker Dalekanium casing. In place of the plunger arm and eye-stalk it has a front-mounted energy cannon with up to 50 times greater firepower * Daleks Possibly to include first appearance version Dalek, Supreme Dalek and 'Revelation' Daleks with bombs strapped to them * Season 12 Gift Set To be revised. Classic series figure set featuring characters from the 1974-75 period. Possibly including Bessie the yellow car which first appeared with John Pertwee * Classic retro Tardis Featuring sloped roof, matt paint finish, blue-backed warning notice and no St. John's Ambulance logo
anyone else watch Confidential? I downloaded years 2-3 and the first 3 from this year. it's pretty well done and kind of fun to see such comprehensive behind the scenes information for each episode.
Man, look how male Sarah-Jane looks in her first appearance! Women's Lib like a motherfucker!
I'd still do her, though. Probably even moreso, now...
Yeah Ray, I check out the Confidentials. However, these latter ones seem to pretty much just focus on the modern stuff. Which, I know, it should. But, I like the ones that show flashbacks to the Classic Series, too. It gives it more of a bridge between eras.
Did you ever catch the first one they did when the show premiered? David Tennant was the narrator/host...
i've had trouble finding the first season of confidential online. that is funny that tennant narrated it. i read he also played a timelord in one of the audio productions a few years ago.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i've had trouble finding the first season of confidential online. that is funny that tennant narrated it. i read he also played a timelord in one of the audio productions a few years ago.
If I find any Confidential links, I'll let you know...
nice seeing Martha, though it occurs to me that she was never really gone. she missed the christmas special and 3 episodes, which she made up by being in 3 Torchwood episodes. either way, i like her so it was nice to have her there. Donna's family is so far kind of boring. The grandpa might be nice in that crazy old coot sort of way but the mom is just annoying. She's no Jackie. I also never really liked Martha's family. They just don't seem capable of replacing Mickey and Jackie.
I did enjoy the Doctor interacting with UNIT. It was a nice change to have this whole army instantly fall in line with the Doctor instead of the usual questioning and doubt. I liked the references to the past but wish there had been some reference to the fate of the Doctor's friend (i don't know his name but he was apparently one of the Doctor's best friends back during the UNIT days). The banter with the kid and the Sontaran were also well done and funny. For some reason I enjoy the Doctor's humor most when it's the least appropriate, like when he's in mortal danger.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Donna's family is so far kind of boring. The grandpa might be nice in that crazy old coot sort of way but the mom is just annoying. She's no Jackie. I also never really liked Martha's family. They just don't seem capable of replacing Mickey and Jackie.
I wish they would stop trying. Who got on for 30 years without having a family backdrop for the companions. I enjoyed the difference with Rose. Now it's become this needless RTD plot device.
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I did enjoy the Doctor interacting with UNIT. It was a nice change to have this whole army instantly fall in line with the Doctor instead of the usual questioning and doubt. I liked the references to the past but wish there had been some reference to the fate of the Doctor's friend (i don't know his name but he was apparently one of the Doctor's best friends back during the UNIT days).
The Brigadier, Ray. His name is Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart.
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The banter with the kid and the Sontaran were also well done and funny. For some reason I enjoy the Doctor's humor most when it's the least appropriate, like when he's in mortal danger.
I enjoyed the misunderstood 'good-bye' scene when Donna is going to see her family...
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I guess I was never concerned with the effects. I mean, hell, I'm a fan of the original series, and those were horrible effects. I mean bad. So, if I can stomach that, I'll take my silly update... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I actually like the low budget effects of classic Dr Who and Space 99. They have a surreal charm that CGI can't replace.
i really enjoyed the episode. the mummy joke was excellent, and there were a lot of other great lines. i'm glad martha will be around for at least one more episode. and i liked how they handled that. i also liked that split second rose cameo.
I'm not feeling the whole Rose returning subplot they're threading throughout this season. Her and Tennant's pairing always seemed forced. I'm also tired of RTD fucking with stuff just because he wants to and not because it's good story-wise. This'll all just lead up to another series finale that will escalate the danger to the point that all RTD can do to fix it is have the Doctor do something terribly god-like and horribly gay to counter it just like he has the past three series.
I'm not feeling the whole Rose returning subplot they're threading throughout this season. Her and Tennant's pairing always seemed forced. I'm also tired of RTD fucking with stuff just because he wants to and not because it's good story-wise. This'll all just lead up to another series finale that will escalate the danger to the point that all RTD can do to fix it is have the Doctor do something terribly god-like and horribly gay to counter it just like he has the past three series.
This last episode was balls. The plot was so cliched and gay. Not to mention, Davison's daughter did not inherit her dad's acting ability. Worst of the season so far...
This last episode was balls. The plot was so cliched and gay. Not to mention, Davison's daughter did not inherit her dad's acting ability. Worst of the season so far...
So would I like it?
Seriously though I just saw the promo & it looked like it had potential. Will Davison's daughter's character be a recurring part on the show???
yeah this episode was bad. every week i like to rewatch the episode the next day but this week i couldn't get past the credits on the second viewing. unfortunately they had some really clever ideas (the cloning, the "generations") but it just failed miserably in the execution. even the confidential seemed to reflect this. there was less enthusiasm from Tennant in the interviews.
Tennant phoned it in. And, given the material, I do not blame him a bit. He, and the show, are better than this banal, committee-run checklist of cliches. I'm now looking forward to the rest/change the show will have next year. I'm really hoping RTD will just fucking leave before he burns it all completely out...
I thought the last episode kinda weak also, But the potential on future stories that the episode opened up could be interesting if done right. But knowing RTD it will suck.
But all in all I have liked this season so far. It has been way more good then bad.
Yeah, true. Even Helen Raynor did us right with the Sontarans. Not perfect, and kind of wobbly in places. But, overall, still good. It's strange how fast this season is flying by. Saturday is episode 7...
good episode. a bit odd, but it worked for the period. David Tennant was in top form, he really gave a great physical performance throwing himself into every scene with his unique style. I especially loved the cyanide poisoning scene. next episode is a Moffet script so it'll probably be the best of the season.
Damn good! The plot was slightly convoluted, but overall, good times. I really liked Tennant in this episode. He was just evened-out enough. Very well done.
Of course, we now have to wait two weeks for the Moffat episode. Fucking "Eurovision"...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
good episode. a bit odd, but it worked for the period. David Tennant was in top form, he really gave a great physical performance throwing himself into every scene with his unique style. I especially loved the cyanide poisoning scene. next episode is a Moffet script so it'll probably be the best of the season.
It's better if you actually just download the torrents. You don't have to wait two weeks for Sci-fi to air them, or have to worry about the shows being edited.
oh hey, what's with this old lady chillin' with the Doctor? I mean, she's not THAT old, but she reminds me of my mom when I was 10. Plus she's a whiny cunt.
oh hey, what's with this old lady chillin' with the Doctor? I mean, she's not THAT old, but she reminds me of my mom when I was 10. Plus she's a whiny cunt.
She's just a different flavor, is all. Donna is cool. She doesn't fall for The Doctor like most of the others do. She's just in it for the adventure.
Have you seen any of the 2005 season with the previous Doctor (Christopher Eccleston)? You should really start there if you have the opportunity to do so. Damn good stuff.
oh hey, what's with this old lady chillin' with the Doctor? I mean, she's not THAT old, but she reminds me of my mom when I was 10. Plus she's a whiny cunt.
She's just a different flavor, is all. Donna is cool. She doesn't fall for The Doctor like most of the others do. She's just in it for the adventure.
Have you seen any of the 2005 season with the previous Doctor (Christopher Eccleston)? You should really start there if you have the opportunity to do so. Damn good stuff.
I'm DVRing anything playing on SciFichannel. So I'm getting Tennant current and old ep.s every Friday.
Well, if you ever get the chance to rent or download the 9th Doctor...
...do yourself a favor and check it out. It's a lot tighter than some of the current stuff that's been out.
But, if you're just asking about Donna Noble (Catherine Tate)...
...she first met the Doctor on her "almost" wedding day. Then, a year or two later she met up with him again, and decided to take him up on his offer to see the universe.
It's better if you actually just download the torrents. You don't have to wait two weeks for Sci-fi to air them, or have to worry about the shows being edited.
how are they edited? are they adjusted for American audiences so that they have actors dub over words like "theatre" with "theater." and whenever there are scenes with driving they flip the print so it looks like it's on the right side of the road?
i like Donna. she is in no way an attractive person but she has a great personality and brings some smart and funny observations to the show. she works well with Tennant.
This episode displays one of the reasons I became a fan of Doctor Who. It has the ability to do any kind of story it wants. The solution to the murders was a bit weak but a lot of fun getting to it (like most murder mysteries). In all it was a good episode. Helps to make of for last week's shitfest.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
It's better if you actually just download the torrents. You don't have to wait two weeks for Sci-fi to air them, or have to worry about the shows being edited.
how are they edited? are they adjusted for American audiences so that they have actors dub over words like "theatre" with "theater." and whenever there are scenes with driving they flip the print so it looks like it's on the right side of the road?
Edited for time in order to fit in with the American run times and commercials.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
It's better if you actually just download the torrents. You don't have to wait two weeks for Sci-fi to air them, or have to worry about the shows being edited.
how are they edited? are they adjusted for American audiences so that they have actors dub over words like "theatre" with "theater." and whenever there are scenes with driving they flip the print so it looks like it's on the right side of the road?
Edited for time in order to fit in with the American run times and commercials.
oh. i really like downloading the torrents because it's 5 minutes longer than most shows.
Yep. I have my online sources. I can't stomach having to watch it while the bottom half of the screen is taken up by an animated Ghost Hunters banner, or some other mindless shit. The worst the Beeb do is talk over the ending credits. Big whoop.
SciFi is not only a poor, poor network...it's very image taints the product it's trying to sell. Can't they think of better ways to spend their budget than on blatant b-movies like "Aztec Rex" and bland shows like "Eureka"?
Steven Moffat to be Doctor Who Lead Writer and Executive Producer
Date: 20.05.2008 Printable version
BBC Wales and BBC Drama has announced that BAFTA and Hugo Award-winning writer Steven Moffat will succeed Russell T Davies as Lead Writer and Executive Producer of the fifth series of Doctor Who, which will broadcast on BBC One in 2010.
Moffat has penned some of the series' most unforgettable and acclaimed episodes, including Blink, with its terrifying weeping angels, for which he was awarded the BAFTA Writer Award 2008 on Sunday 11 May.
His previous work on Doctor Who includes The Girl In The Fireplace for series two, which earned him his second Hugo Award.
His first was for the series one two-parter The Empty Child, which became famous for its terrifying refrain "Are you my mummy?"
For the current series, Moffat has written Silence In The Library, a two-parter starring Alex Kingston which transmits on 31 May and 7 June 2008 on BBC One.
Steven's career began with the landmark ITV children's drama Press Gang in 1989, for which he won his first Bafta. Coupling, the hugely popular and award-winning sitcom he created and wrote for BBC Two, began in 2000 and ran for four seasons. Jekyll, his six-part thriller starring James Nesbitt and Michelle Ryan, transmitted on BBC One last year.
Steven will continue as one of the directors on the board of Hartswood Films which produced Coupling and Jekyll, where he is also working on his new comedy Adam & Eve with wife Sue Vertue.
He has just delivered the screenplay for Tintin – the first instalment of the trilogy of films featuring the iconic Belgian comic-strip hero – to Steven Spielberg who will direct it for DreamWorks. Thomas Sangster and Andy Serkis will star.
Steven Moffat says: "My entire career has been a Secret Plan to get this job. I applied before but I got knocked back 'cos the BBC wanted someone else. Also I was seven.
"Anyway, I'm glad the BBC has finally seen the light, and it's a huge honour to be following Russell into the best - and the toughest - job in television. I say toughest 'cos Russell's at my window right now, pointing and laughing."
Lead Writer and Executive Producer Russell T Davies says: "It's been a delight and an honour working with Steven, and I can't wait to see where his extraordinary imagination takes the Doctor. Best of all, I get to be a viewer again, watching on a Saturday night!"
Jane Tranter, Controller, BBC Fiction, says: "Scripts and writers are at the heart of what BBC Drama is all about, and especially at the heart of Doctor Who. The past four series have been brilliantly helmed by the spectacularly talented Russell T Davies.
"As Lead Writer and Executive Producer, he has overseen the creative direction and detail of the 21st century relaunch of Doctor Who and we are delighted to have his continued presence on the specials over the next 18 months.
"But the challenge and excitement of the fifth series is now being handed to Steven Moffat. The Tardis couldn't be in safer hands. Steven's talents on both Doctor Who and beyond are well known. He is a writer of glittering brilliance, comedy and depth, with an extraordinary imagination and a unique voice.
"Steven has a wonderful mix of being a committed Doctor Who fan and a true artist, and his plans for the next series are totally thrilling."
The announcement follows the news that Piers Wenger will take over the role of Executive Producer from Julie Gardner on series five of Doctor Who.
Piers Wenger says: "The challenge of taking Doctor Who to a new future is a huge and thrilling one and BBC Wales is blessed to have someone with Steven's extraordinary talent in charge.
"His imagination and creativity have already given birth to some of the series' most unforgettable monsters though in this instance no-one need fear; time, space and the future of The Doctor are safe with him."
Wenger and Moffat are already working closely together on the planning of the series.
Menna Richards, Controller, BBC Wales, says: "BBC Wales is very proud of Doctor Who's phenomenal success. Steven Moffat is an extraordinary talent and we are very much looking forward to him joining the Doctor Who team."
Series four has achieved some of the show's highest audience figures to date and forthcoming episodes feature a stellar line-up of guests including Lesley Sharp, Lindsey Coulson, Alex Kingston, Colin Salmon and Michael Brandon.
Doctor Who will return in 2009 with four specials, and the full-length fifth series is currently scheduled to be broadcast on BBC One in Spring 2010.
while I don't have the hate for RTD that you guys do, I am glad Moffet will be taking over. He has written the best episodes each season, the episodes that got me hooked on the show so the idea of him running things is great.
I understand that Neil Gaiman has been approached to write for the popular TV series "Doctor Who," for broadcast in 2010.
So what's going on here? Let's find out.
THE MAN WITH TWO HEARTS
Well we all know Russell T Davies is leaving "Doctor Who" after next year’s four episode non-season.
My wife will tell anyone who listens that when Eve was born three years ago, she wasn’t sure what I was more excited about, her birth or "Doctor Who" coming back. I think that's a little unfair, but I do remember watching "Father's Day" with Eve in my arms blubbing like a baby. And now we all watch it together.
Not only did Russell bring back one of my fondest childhood memories, but he turned it into the country’s prime television icon. More people in the UK are exposed to science-fiction through modern "Doctor Who" than everything else put together. It’s a social phenomenon in a multi-channel, online splintered world.
The online geekish criticism Russell gets for his work seems so minor compared to his huge and continuing achievements with the series. Complaints about deus ex machinas, power of love ending, discarded plot points, and out of kilter humour seem like pointing out that Mohammed Ali had a pimple during his big fight. They mean nothing compared to the pure joy, excitement, the spread of genuine subversive ideas under a cosy blanket while simultaneously binding the family unit for a shared experience. And doing it all with bloody Doctor Who as well.
It’s quite possible he’s actually helped reduce violence, and increase social cohesion in the country as a whole with this silly, brave, wonderful television show.
Thank you Russell. We’ll miss you. Please keep writing episodes.
ONE LIFE FURNISHED IN EARLY MOFFAT
So, what does Steven Moffat showrunning "Doctor Who" mean (apart from giving old LITG columns a Google lift)?
Well, we all know his "Doctor Who" work " "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances," "The Girl In The Fireplace" and "Blink." Some of us also know "The Curse Of Fatal Death," "Timecrash" and "Continuity Errors." If you like early "Buffy," "Veronica Mars" and early "Smallville," then "Press Gang" will knock your socks off. Along with "Hitchhikers" and "The Goons." "Press Gang" made me want to write in the first place, managed to make sex symbols out of Julia Sawalha and Dexter Fletcher and given its time slot, probably pushed the boundaries more than Russell T Davies’ "Queer As Folk" did. One episode may have had the "honour" of being swiped by Alan Moore for "WildCATS" while abother featured a Colonel X character seemingly drawn straight from Jon Pertwee's Doctor.
Steven went on to write "Joking Apart," the absolutely perfect sitcom farce, and "Coupling" which seemed to try and top each episode for impossible swallowing-its-own-tail structures, reaching a pinnacle with "Remember Me," as well as a character who ran a comics-and-sci-fi shop. And then there was the genuine fear and invention of "Jekyll." Still gives me chills that one.
Steven is also writing the upcoming "Tintin" screenplays, a new sitcom called "Adam And Eve" and there is still talk of his Bruce Willis-less movie "Me Again" and a revival of "Press Gang" with the original cast.
As for "Doctor Who?" Well, some people see Steven as transforming Doctor Who into something very different. That’s not true, Steven has been a cheerleader for Russell’s work on the project from Day One and will continue in that vein. Indeed, he may well fight aganst what is expected of him. But odds are we’ll get some more fun time travel stories out of it, maybe a slight tweak towards intricate structure, and some interesting geek-friendly names.
Such as the rumour running around my BBC sources that Neil Gaiman being approached to write an episode for 2010. That would be this Neil Gaiman, comic author, fantasy novelist, screenwriter, poet and writer of the Duran Duran Biography 1985. With possibly the most non-committal non-confirmation I’ve ever read. And I’ve read the responses of current Labour ministers.
In fact when I asked Neil if he’d care to comment, he pleaded the Francis saying, "You may very well think that, but I could not possibly comment."
I do very well think that. I do.
Of course, nothing will actually have been commissioned by the BBC at this stage, and there's many a slip 'twixt cup and prosthetic lip, but it's looking good.
So who else? I hear mention that Rob Shearman, who wrote "Dalek" for the Christopher Eccleston season and reportedly had a parting of ways with Davies, has been approached to return to the series.
The one question I really want answered is, as a straight man, will Steven pursue a lesbian agenda on the show?
And as for a new Doctor in a few years time… Dexter Fletcher? Robert Bathurst? Richard Coyle? James Nesbitt? Gina Bellman?? Explore the Moffatverse yourself...
And you know, it was Steven who requested that Jenny survive at the end of "The Doctor’s Daughter," so…
Which one is going to cum first? In the mouth, or her face?
BTW, new episode of Doctor Who = Perfection.
It's settled. This is his fifth successful flawless episode since the return of the series. Steven Moffat is the rightful heir to the throne of Douglas Adams.
good episode tonight. great even. it was spooky, had a good sci-fi premise, great guest stars in the future companion and the very pretty secretary, and a suspensful cliffhanger. Moffet really does write the best episodes. He has a keen grasp of how to tell a story from the set up to the payoff while making some great jokes and tension in between.
This episode was really, really good. It's episodes like this one though, that takes me back to the Farscape days with all the awesome cliffhangers. It's annoying that we have to wait until next week to see the rest. Never could stand that.
But again, this was a really good episode, a bit creepy, good scifi and good cast.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
good episode tonight. great even. it was spooky, had a good sci-fi premise, great guest stars in the future companion and the very pretty secretary, and a suspensful cliffhanger. Moffet really does write the best episodes. He has a keen grasp of how to tell a story from the set up to the payoff while making some great jokes and tension in between.
I agree. This is a very well crafted episode. Moffet, more than any other writer on the show, understands time travel and the confusion it can create. Most importantly, he knows how to create villains and obstacles for the Doctor to overcome. Each of his 'monsters' are memorable and frightening. His stories remind me of my favorite era of Who, the Hinchcliff/Holmes Gothic Horror era. I can't wait for his run as script editor/producer. I also like the TARDIS-like binding on the chick's diary.
great episode last night. still spooky, and funny, and a clever ending. the overall style of the episode and the pacing and the humor made me even more eager for the next season with Moffet in charge.
No, no, don't worry...he's talking about the episode Forest of the Dead, not The Doctor's Daughter. The former is awesome, and the latter is pure ass...
They did have her hiding behind her pillows, which I took as the next best thing. I just thought that whole bit was pretty fucking clever on Moffet's part.
Steve Moffat is absolutely nothing, if not clever. Cannot wait until his run begins.
BTW, how fucking cool was it that Alex Kingston's character, River Song, was all about a future incarnation? That was a nice twist. Also, she knows his name. That was chilling when she whispered it...
The whole script was well crafted and executed. Like I said before Moffat knows how to write time travel, as his last three stories have shown.
Personally, though, I hope they lay of the 'Doctor falls in love' story lines for a while. Before, Hartnell's was the only one I could even think of. Now, they're doing one or two a season.
Yeah, I agree. I doubt it will go away, mind you. That's just common corporate media formula. But, I'm hoping Moffat will sort of subdue it...
i don't mind love stories like this and the girl in the fireplace. really tragic and no real mush works well. i think it's understandable to have more now than past Doctors simply because Tennant is the first young and dashing Doctor. The others were older men or had personality problems that would keep women away. I notice that the recurring theme is that many women are smitten with this Doctor but only rarely does he actually respond to the affections.
yeah but he wasn't really dashing and charming, the episodes I've seen he comes off a bit clumsy and naive. but obviously they also didn't think about that back then because the format and audience aim was different.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Yeah, I agree. I doubt it will go away, mind you. That's just common corporate media formula. But, I'm hoping Moffat will sort of subdue it...
i don't mind love stories like this and the girl in the fireplace. really tragic and no real mush works well. i think it's understandable to have more now than past Doctors simply because Tennant is the first young and dashing Doctor. The others were older men or had personality problems that would keep women away. I notice that the recurring theme is that many women are smitten with this Doctor but only rarely does he actually respond to the affections.
Agreed. I've always thought of the 8th Doctor (McGann) as being the Lord Byron-like 'romantic' Doctor, while Tennant is the more modern 'pretty-boy lover' Doctor.
Also agreed that from Doc 7, back, he was pretty sexless. That could amusingly be explained away that he was too young. But, I also like to read into the idea that maybe the loss of a family and wife might have been one of the reasons he originally fled Gallifrey. The loss itself could also have been what kept romance and sex at bay for him for so long. Maybe he's just now in that period of his life where he's "getting over it" and starting to see romance and love where before he couldn't bring himself to acknowledge?
All fun conjecture.
USCHI!! Next Friday has a good Who episode. I really think you, of all people, will dig the time period. But, definitely catch Who on SciFi in two weeks. It's a fucking good episode...
I also like to read into the idea that maybe the loss of a family and wife might have been one of the reasons he originally fled Gallifrey. The loss itself could also have been what kept romance and sex at bay for him for so long. Maybe he's just now in that period of his life where he's "getting over it" and starting to see romance and love where before he couldn't bring himself to acknowledge?
I think it's just the feeling of being alone now that all the others have gone. He's more in need of an emotional attachment now that he's ever been.
Also, I wonder if they're ever going to address Susan.
I wish they would. I think it would be awesome to have her travel with him again, but in a new incarnation. Kind of like The Doctor's Daughter, but not nearly as gay...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Yeah, I agree. I doubt it will go away, mind you. That's just common corporate media formula. But, I'm hoping Moffat will sort of subdue it...
i don't mind love stories like this and the girl in the fireplace. really tragic and no real mush works well. i think it's understandable to have more now than past Doctors simply because Tennant is the first young and dashing Doctor. The others were older men or had personality problems that would keep women away. I notice that the recurring theme is that many women are smitten with this Doctor but only rarely does he actually respond to the affections.
Agreed. I've always thought of the 8th Doctor (McGann) as being the Lord Byron-like 'romantic' Doctor, while Tennant is the more modern 'pretty-boy lover' Doctor.
Also agreed that from Doc 7, back, he was pretty sexless. That could amusingly be explained away that he was too young. But, I also like to read into the idea that maybe the loss of a family and wife might have been one of the reasons he originally fled Gallifrey. The loss itself could also have been what kept romance and sex at bay for him for so long. Maybe he's just now in that period of his life where he's "getting over it" and starting to see romance and love where before he couldn't bring himself to acknowledge?
All fun conjecture.
interesting. so how would that fit with 4 and Romana?
I saw the last christmas special (robot angels, don't know the name. . .) and I could definitely see that he was drawn to Kylie's character due to her similarities to Rose. but that was obvious.
I also like to read into the idea that maybe the loss of a family and wife might have been one of the reasons he originally fled Gallifrey. The loss itself could also have been what kept romance and sex at bay for him for so long. Maybe he's just now in that period of his life where he's "getting over it" and starting to see romance and love where before he couldn't bring himself to acknowledge?
I think it's just the feeling of being alone now that all the others have gone. He's more in need of an emotional attachment now that he's ever been.
that was a great episode. pretty scary, they created such a perfect eerie/claustrophobic paranoia. I liked that the Doctor failed to motivate them, failed to scare them into following his orders, and only survived because of his colorful speech.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
that was a great episode. pretty scary, they created such a perfect eerie/claustrophobic paranoia. I liked that the Doctor failed to motivate them, failed to scare them into following his orders, and only survived because of his colorful speech.
apparently this is only the second story in the history of Doctor Who to have the Doctor working alone with no help or contact from the Companion. The other was the Deadly Assassin with Tom Baker. And the Proffessor was played by Patrick Troughton's son.
June 15, 2008 Television Who Altered British TV? ‘Who’ Indeed By SARAH LYALL CARDIFF, Wales
RUSSELL T DAVIES, perhaps the most admired writer and producer working in British television drama, was once confronted at a wedding by a fellow guest bristling with indignation about a scene in Mr. Davies’s hugely successful, family-friendly science fiction series, “Doctor Who.” In the scene Capt. Jack Harkness, a swaggering intergalactic hero who exuberantly lusts after both men and women, plants quick kisses on the mouths of both the title character and the title character’s female sidekick as they face imminent death. (Everyone survives.)
Mr. Davies’s first instinct — as a reasonable person, as a happily gay man — was to be relaxed and placatory, he said. But something snapped.
“I was standing there saying, ‘You’re a bad mother, and your children will either grow up to be lesbians, or they will be taken into care because they’ve been badly raised,’ ” he recalled in a recent interview near the “Doctor Who” set. He began to chuckle. “ ‘You are ignorant, and you’re bringing up your children in ignorance, and that will backfire on you.’ ”
Luckily, the woman’s husband escorted her away before a fistfight broke out. But the incident was jolting, in part because it was such an anomaly. Mr. Davies, 44, had already won these arguments, at least with most people, years before. So successfully has he pushed the boundaries of British television that he sometimes forgets how far it, and he, have come.
“He has basically changed the face of television in the U.K.,” said John Barrowman, who plays Captain Jack in both “Doctor Who” and a spinoff series, “Torchwood,” which is aimed at adults. “He has taken subject matter that nobody else will touch, and he has put in characters that nobody else will bother doing.”
And he has done it with mainstream programs that are immensely popular. In the last three and a half years he has built “Doctor Who,” “Torchwood” and another spinoff, “The Sarah Jane Adventures,” into Britain’s most successful homegrown drama franchise. Mr. Davies recently announced that he would step down as executive producer and head writer of “Doctor Who” at the end of 2009, in order to pursue other projects (he won’t say what they are). But at a time when young audiences are fleeing television for the Internet and other hipper media, “Davies has made family television cool again,” in the words of The Guardian.
It is hard to overstate “Doctor Who’s” significance for Britons of a certain age. First broadcast in 1963, when many households here were just getting used to that novel new device, the television set, it was a triumph of family viewing, a science fiction show that (unlike, say, “Star Trek,” with its particular audience) parents and children stayed home to watch together.
The show followed the adventures of a time-traveling character whose spaceship was cunningly disguised as an old-fashioned telephone booth and who saved the universe by means of immortality, brilliance, a mordant sense of humor and an array of useful enemy-thwarting devices. It remained on the air in one form or another until 1989, the potential awkwardness of having a succession of different actors in the title role explained airily away by the Doctor’s ability to morph into a different body every few years.
The new “Doctor Who” is broadcast during Britain’s family friendliest hour — just after dinner on Saturday nights — and it too has morphed into something else altogether, science fiction that is playful, sophisticated, emotionally resonant and peppered with lightning-quick allusions to literary works, to classic “Doctor Who” episodes from long ago, and to historical events and people. But Mr. Davies presses his grown-up themes with a whisper and a laugh, not a shout. No one actually has sex on screen in “Doctor Who.” And when Captain Jack makes an appearance (only rarely, since he now has his own show), his sexuality is an issue only in that his constant, equal-opportunity flirting tends to annoy his colleagues, busy as they are fighting intergalactic evil.
“He takes ‘Doctor Who’ and pushes the envelope the whole time, not in terms of taste and decency but in terms of ideas and emotional intelligence, the size of feeling and epic stroke of narrative breadth,” said Jane Tranter, the BBC’s head of fiction. She said that no one at the BBC had ever had a problem with Captain Jack or with any of Mr. Davies’s plotlines. “How ridiculous would it be that you would travel through time and space and only ever find heterosexual men?” Ms. Tranter said.
Hiring Mr. Davies to remake the beloved but, finally, creaky old series was a daring, even counterintuitive move by the BBC. First there was the worry that “Doctor Who” had already had its day, that it belonged to another era altogether. But more than that, Mr. Davies was a risk taker with no obvious science-fiction credentials other than a fanatical lifelong devotion to “Doctor Who” and a headful of ideas about where to take it next. At the time, in 2003, he was best known for “Queer as Folk,” a 1999 series that chronicled the lives of a group of hedonistic gay men in Manchester with a frankness never shown before on mainstream television. (It was later remade in the United States.)
“Queer as Folk” was revolutionary not only because of its racy subject matter but also because of the matter-of-fact way it presented its characters: ordinary people, if unusually attractive and sexually frisky, who happened to be gay. Criticism of its content tended to be overshadowed by admiration for its wit and verve and for the mature fun of its story lines. Mr. Davies used the same philosophy when Captain Jack came on the scene in “Doctor Who” — make it entertaining, not didactic.
“I thought, ‘It’s time you introduce bisexuals properly into mainstream television,’ ” he said, laughing.
He tends to see the joke in most things and talks about television with a words-spilling-over-each-other enthusiasm. What better way to introduce a charming bisexual character, he asked, than to make him “an outer space buccaneer?”
“The most boring drama would be” — here he put on a whiny, fractious voice — “ ‘Oh, I’m bisexual, oh my bleeding heart’ nighttime drama. Tedious, dull. But if you say it’s a bisexual space pirate swaggering in with guns and attitude and cheek and humor into prime-time family viewing: that was enormously attractive to me.”
“Doctor Who,” “Torchwood” and “The Sarah Jane Adventures,” which is aimed at children and stars one of the original characters from early “Doctor Who,” have helped win numerous awards and accolades for Mr. Davies, who was named Industry Player of the Year in 2006 at the Edinburgh Television Festival. This season’s opening episode of “Doctor Who” drew 9.14 million viewers — more than one-seventh of the population of Britain. (In the United States “Doctor Who” appears on the Sci Fi Channel. “Torchwood” appears on BBC America and this season was its highest-rated program ever.)
Mr. Davies, who was born in Swansea, Wales, is tall and solid, his broad face dominated by a pair of black-rimmed glasses similar to those worn by Doctor Who himself. His middle initial doesn’t stand for anything; he added it early in his career to distinguish himself from a radio host who shared his name. He lives partly here and partly in Manchester and has a longtime companion who works as a customs inspector for the British government.
After a childhood in which his twin obsessions were television and comic books, he found work as a writer and producer in children’s television. He wrote for soap operas, contributed to long-running dramas and, before “Queer as Folk,” wrote “The Grand,” a multipart drama set in a hotel in the 1920s. Some of his programs have been more successful than others, but most get talked about. In 2003 he tackled religion, to controversial effect, with “The Second Coming,” a two-part drama in which a video-shop owner from Manchester realizes he is the son of God.
But it is the transformation of “Doctor Who” that has cemented Mr. Davies’s reputation. In the old days the program could be one-dimensional, almost cheesy, with cheap special effects that sometimes verged on the Ed Woodian. But serious money is being lavished on the new production. And under the care of Mr. Davies, who writes or supervises the writing of every episode, it has been imbued with newfound sensitivity, pathos and humor.
The hope is that that will be true even after Mr. Davies leaves. After the 2009 season, which is to consist of four specials rather than weekly episodes, he will be succeeded by Steven Moffat, the writer behind the successful series “Coupling” who has written some memorable “Doctor Who” episodes in the past few years.
Over these recent seasons the Doctor has traveled to far-off planets where unspeakable creatures do unspeakable things. He has traveled to Pompeii while Vesuvius erupted. He has rescued Queen Victoria from a giant werewolf, embarked on a heartbreaking love affair with Madame de Pompadour — it ended tragically, on account of her mortality — and saved Earth from annihilation by numerous bad-tempered aliens.
Mr. Davies’s “Doctor Who” has examined the bonds that tie us to even annoying family members. It has plumbed the mysteries and possibilities of chaste love. It has made the case against slavery and violence, played with existential questions about past, present and future and explored what happens when everyone is about to be annihilated by poison gas spewing from automotive exhaust pipes.
Alert viewers will notice the frequent juxtaposition of peril and comedy — the Doctor and his sidekick, Donna, start bickering about how to pronounce the name of some extraterrestrial villains who are within an inch of murdering her, for instance — as well as other signature Davies touches. When the Doctor meets Shakespeare in an episode set during the writing of “Love’s Labour’s Lost,” Shakespeare throws him a lustful glance.
“Davies dresses these things up in such a friendly plotline that we all have a warm glow, and he gets away with murder,” said Peter Bazalgette, the former chief creative officer of Endemol, the production company that has been responsible for some very popular British programs, including “Big Brother” and “Deal or No Deal.” “It genuinely represents the liberalization of society, which he is leading and reflecting. I think he’s a genius.”
Then there is “Torchwood,” which Mr. Davies describes as “science fiction for adults.” Broadcast later in the evening, it follows the adventures of a group of operatives who thwart the aliens that have a habit of finding their way to Cardiff. It is darker, sharper and less chaste than “Doctor Who.” Mr. Barrowman looks like a bigger and better Tom Cruise and has the charismatic bravado the role requires. Captain Jack makes no apologies; no one asks him to.
In one episode Captain Jack has a full-on fighting-and-making-out session with a former lover turned enemy. Whatever he does, Captain Jack has great fun doing it, which is the point, Mr. Davies said.
“I often get asked to write dramas or films about a man coming out of the closet to his wife, or a man coming out of the closet to his children, or a man who’s beaten up because he’s secretly gay,” Mr. Davies said. “I always refuse if it’s a negative take on homosexuality — if the only aspect being portrayed is the trouble, the tears and the angst.”
He continued: “There’s enough of that out there. Why bother? Drama is easy when it’s tragedy. Anyone could write a scene of a man crying in the rain saying, ‘I’m sorry.’ But actually it’s much more fun to see a man in a bar trying to pick up another man. That’s tense. There’s a whole minefield of emotions there.”
Great article, if not a little over-praising of Davies. Still, with the guy leaving the show, I have to say that I've really enjoyed 80% of his scripts, not to mention, he was instrumental in bringing it back. So cheers to Russel T. Davies...
Great article, if not a little over-praising of Davies. Still, with the guy leaving the show, I have to say that I've really enjoyed 80% of his scripts, not to mention, he was instrumental in bringing it back. So cheers to Russel T. Davies...
Great article, if not a little over-praising of Davies. Still, with the guy leaving the show, I have to say that I've really enjoyed 80% of his scripts, not to mention, he was instrumental in bringing it back. So cheers to Russel T. Davies...
But Moffat's scripts are better.
they are. but to be fair moffet's scripts are just top notch. davies turns in a few top notch scripts (like midnight), some poor ones, and a lot of solid episodes. producing the number of solid scripts that he does while still dealing with running the entire show is no small feat.
Great article, if not a little over-praising of Davies. Still, with the guy leaving the show, I have to say that I've really enjoyed 80% of his scripts, not to mention, he was instrumental in bringing it back. So cheers to Russel T. Davies...
But Moffat's scripts are better.
And the sky is blue, and Rob is gay. What's your point?
WHYYYYYYYYY did you people have to get Jeff to fall in love with Dr. Who?!?
Now I must spend every Friday night for the rest of my life having to watch this very confusing and sometimes alarming show
Heh. I didn't realize Glacier had dipped into the Whoverse.
JEFF: I hope you've gone back and watched the 2005 season with Chris Eccleston (9th Doctor), as I think a lot of that is far superior to some of the fluff we've gotten with Tennant.
Ashley, whenever you get confused about the show, simply post your questions here and I will answer them for you...
Sweet! My number one man-crush is Chris Eccleston. After close to thirty years of watching Doctor Who, he's the closest I've ever seen come to dethroning the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker). Love me some Number 9...
Sweet! My number one man-crush is Chris Eccleston. After close to thirty years of watching Doctor Who, he's the closest I've ever seen come to dethroning the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker). Love me some Number 9...
Ashley, whenever you get confused about the show, simply post your questions here and I will answer them for you...
I would just like to clarify that he said this show, referring to Doctor Who. He is in no way encouraging you to ask him about anything that confuses you. I don't think robs boards could handle that many posts.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: Glacier16
Pro: That is actually where and when I started.
Sweet! My number one man-crush is Chris Eccleston. After close to thirty years of watching Doctor Who, he's the closest I've ever seen come to dethroning the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker). Love me some Number 9...
10 can out act them both in comedy and drama.
You're utterly mad. I mean, slapstick? Maybe Tennant has the lead there. But, no one can wield the subtle "alien" wit like THE Baker. And drama? The gravitas Eccles brings to the role is like a fucking Black Hole; the man's intensity is second-to-none...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Originally Posted By: Glacier16
Pro: That is actually where and when I started.
Sweet! My number one man-crush is Chris Eccleston. After close to thirty years of watching Doctor Who, he's the closest I've ever seen come to dethroning the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker). Love me some Number 9...
10 can out act them both in comedy and drama.
You're utterly mad. I mean, slapstick? Maybe Tennant has the lead there. But, no one can wield the subtle "alien" wit like THE Baker. And drama? The gravitas Eccles brings to the role is like a fucking Black Hole; the man's intensity is second-to-none...
Eccleston and Baker were both great, but Tennant is better. Baker seemed to be playing himself (though he is himself a great character so it worked) and Eccleston was just moody and goofy. Tennant is more versatile then both of them though. You don't even have to go back farther than this last episode to see that.
Tennant is easily a better actor than both Baker and Eccleston, but he certainly isnt a better Doctor than Baker (although he wipes the floor with Ecclestons Northerness).
and besides Eccleston ditched out on the series after the first year so I don't think he should even qualify when comparing performances. He came in when fans would be eager for new Who and when everything seemed fresh. He got the easy job of introducing the elements of the show and then left. If he had maintained for even a second season you can make an argument for him but only 1 year? It's like comparing a sprinter to a cross country runner. It's easier to put everything into one short job but it is much harder to keep the level of the performance over years (and Baker deserves credit for going 7 years).
THE Baker is legendary. Epic, even. There is no comparison. And Tennant is far too frantic all the time for me to be able to really take his Doctor that seriously. He's playing a hodge-podge caricature of many previous incarnations, whereas Eccles created something wholly original with the part. And you can't judge a performance by length of stay. Christopher Eccleston had the struggle of re-introducing this bizarre, eccentric character to the entirely new audience of the twenty-first century, make it work, and make it the number one television show of the year. Yes, Tennant had to run with the ball...but, Chris created the ball. He's the one that put asses in the seats. He's the one that built the core audience. And he did all of that in a single season. That's fucking impressive. Heathen.
i was looking for a funny one and then google showed me these 4 and i just couldn't post only one. your Eccleston pictures, however, aren't funny. In fact they seem a bit gay.
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THE Baker is legendary. Epic, even. There is no comparison.
I'm just not really a fan of Colin Baker's work on the show and have to disagree with you.
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And Tennant is far too frantic all the time for me to be able to really take his Doctor that seriously.
I think Tennant's performance is very layered. He always carries a certain sadness under the surface of his performance. I think his being frantic is him throwing himself into the exploration and the mystery, distracting himself from the lonliness and guilt he feels.
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but shouldn't the Doctor have parts of past incarnations? The whole point of regeneration isn't starting over from scratch. Tennant may have attributes of past Doctors but he is also still very unique.
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And you can't judge a performance by length of stay. Christopher Eccleston had the struggle of re-introducing this bizarre, eccentric character to the entirely new audience of the twenty-first century, make it work, and make it the number one television show of the year.
No. He took an acting job that he thought would be interesting and then left the show before the first episode premiered. I'm not saying he didn't do a good job, I like his episodes, he's the first Doctor I really watched (not counting the 1996 movie). And you can judge quality based on quantity. It's easier to do quality in 13 episodes than it is to maintain quality for the 40 or so that Tennant has done.
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Yes, Tennant had to run with the ball...but, Chris created the ball. He's the one that put asses in the seats. He's the one that built the core audience. And he did all of that in a single season. That's fucking impressive. Heathen.
Technically Davies "created" the ball. Just to be fair he ran the show and shaped what it is for better or worse. And I do like Eccleston, again he is the first Doctor I saw. But Tennant's a better actor. Look at their other roles. I've seen them in a few other things and Tennant is always different whereas Eccleston seems to be the same basic character. Maybe it's just me but I consider a good actor to be someone who has more than one way of acting. Again, maybe that's just me.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i was looking for a funny one and then google showed me these 4 and i just couldn't post only one. your Eccleston pictures, however, aren't funny. In fact they seem a bit gay.
Mine just showcase the fire and intensity that Eccles brings to any moment. Meanwhile you're giving me David Tennant in drag. Who's The Gay now, eh? Eh? EH?!
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I'm just not really a fan of Colin Baker's work on the show and have to disagree with you.
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I think Tennant's performance is very layered. He always carries a certain sadness under the surface of his performance. I think his being frantic is him throwing himself into the exploration and the mystery, distracting himself from the lonliness and guilt he feels.
Whereas, I think he wears his emotions on his sleeve, and makes his "sadness" far too contrived and obvious. The Ninth Doctor had a core of survivor's guilt that was far more volatile and believable than Tennant getting teary-eyes for the seventeenth time...
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but shouldn't the Doctor have parts of past incarnations? The whole point of regeneration isn't starting over from scratch. Tennant may have attributes of past Doctors but he is also still very unique.
Not saying Tennant isn't unique, or that I don't like him. I'm just saying that the 9th Doctor gave us new facets of the Doctor not seen before. Tennant is giving us re-interpretations of previously seen facets of his character. Both are fine. But, in the end, I prefer the originality of Number 9's pain, over Number 10's mourning.
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No. He took an acting job that he thought would be interesting and then left the show before the first episode premiered.
And then Tennant jumped on the coat-tails of the fame Eccles created and rode it on. The fact remains, Eccles made the show what it is: Successful.
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I'm not saying he didn't do a good job, I like his episodes, he's the first Doctor I really watched (not counting the 1996 movie). And you can judge quality based on quantity. It's easier to do quality in 13 episodes than it is to maintain quality for the 40 or so that Tennant has done.
So, thirteen chance to get it right, versus 40+ chance to get it right? Looks like Eccles had the harder job, and in comparison, was much more successful at it.
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Technically Davies "created" the ball.
No, "technically" Sydney Newman, Verity Lambert, and William Hartnell created the ball. Atheist.
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Just to be fair he ran the show and shaped what it is for better or worse. And I do like Eccleston, again he is the first Doctor I saw. But Tennant's a better actor. Look at their other roles. I've seen them in a few other things and Tennant is always different whereas Eccleston seems to be the same basic character. Maybe it's just me but I consider a good actor to be someone who has more than one way of acting. Again, maybe that's just me.
All I see is Tennant being zany as The Doctor, Tennant being zany as that guy in Harry Potter, Tennant being zany as Casanova, etc., etc.
You need to read the Bible, young man. This kind of satan-talk will get you nowhere...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i was looking for a funny one and then google showed me these 4 and i just couldn't post only one. your Eccleston pictures, however, aren't funny. In fact they seem a bit gay.
Mine just showcase the fire and intensity that Eccles brings to any moment. Meanwhile you're giving me David Tennant in drag. Who's The Gay now, eh? Eh? EH?!
drag is funny, and it along with the others show a willingness to be funny and throw himself into any role, the mark of a good actor. I wasn't, however, showcasing the fire and intensity of any man. because that sounds gay. prometheus of legend stole fire from the gods and gave it to man. prometheus of the rkmbs is also flaming and what you give man i don't want to know.
No. He took an acting job that he thought would be interesting and then left the show before the first episode premiered.
And then Tennant jumped on the coat-tails of the fame Eccles created and rode it on. The fact remains, Eccles made the show what it is: Successful.
Eccles didn't create the fame of Doctor Who. And I think Tennant's run has been a bigger success overall.
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So, thirteen chance to get it right, versus 40+ chance to get it right? Looks like Eccles had the harder job, and in comparison, was much more successful at it.
and that would be a great point if i had said Tennant had more great episodes overall, but I'm talking about maintaining a level of quality for years.
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No, "technically" Sydney Newman, Verity Lambert, and William Hartnell created the ball. Atheist.
but you said Eccles created the ball and Tennant ran with it. I assumed you were talking about the current series which was really created by Davies and others. the weed of lies bears bitter fruit, you vile old hag!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
drag is funny, and it along with the others show a willingness to be funny and throw himself into any role, the mark of a good actor.
Yes, because getting into a dress is the sign of a great actor. Beatnik.
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I wasn't, however, showcasing the fire and intensity of any man. because that sounds gay. prometheus of legend stole fire from the gods and gave it to man. prometheus of the rkmbs is also flaming and what you give man i don't want to know.
Oh you have a lot of room to talk, "Friendly Neighborhood Ray-Man". I see you like to insinuate that you're good for neighborhoods. Friendly, are we? Friendly to small boys, perhaps. And "Ray-Man"? What are a you, a Jew?
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not that i'm judging.
But I'm sure to lose the swimsuit competition without you!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
and that would be a great point if i had said Tennant had more great episodes overall, but I'm talking about maintaining a level of quality for years.
But, I thought you said RTD was the one responsible for maintaining quality over the years?
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but you said Eccles created the ball and Tennant ran with it. I assumed you were talking about the current series which was really created by Davies and others.
I don't see the dividing line. It's all one series. There have been many directors, producers, creators, and actors over the decades, but, it's all still one series.
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the weed of lies bears bitter fruit, you vile old hag!
Your sorcerers ways mean nothing to my uni-god mind, Rape-Man!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
drag is funny, and it along with the others show a willingness to be funny and throw himself into any role, the mark of a good actor.
Yes, because getting into a dress is the sign of a great actor. Beatnik.
obviously you've never seen Kids in the Hall.
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I wasn't, however, showcasing the fire and intensity of any man. because that sounds gay. prometheus of legend stole fire from the gods and gave it to man. prometheus of the rkmbs is also flaming and what you give man i don't want to know.
Oh you have a lot of room to talk, "Friendly Neighborhood Ray-Man". I see you like to insinuate that you're good for neighborhoods. Friendly, are we? Friendly to small boys, perhaps. And "Ray-Man"? What are a you, a Jew?
Friendly means friendly to all. I do think it raises some questions that you are so eager to find pedophilia in so many places. And yes Rayman is a Jewish name.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
and that would be a great point if i had said Tennant had more great episodes overall, but I'm talking about maintaining a level of quality for years.
But, I thought you said RTD was the one responsible for maintaining quality over the years?
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but you said Eccles created the ball and Tennant ran with it. I assumed you were talking about the current series which was really created by Davies and others.
I don't see the dividing line. It's all one series. There have been many directors, producers, creators, and actors over the decades, but, it's all still one series.
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the weed of lies bears bitter fruit, you vile old hag!
Your sorcerers ways mean nothing to my uni-god mind, Rape-Man!
Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was an odd episode. very bleak and depressing. since it's obviously just a prelude to next week I can't really form a solid opinion on the main story aspects. The big problem I had was that Davies seemed to be contradicting his own recent stories. In the Voyage of the Damned they said the Titanic hitting London would detroy the world, not just be a massive nuke. Also the Adipose lady only started killing when the Doctor rushed the timetable. Without him their would've been just people losing weight and no one being the wiser, not the millions of deaths shown in this episode. And Rose looked off. Her mouth or something seemed different. And since when does Bad Wolf mean the end of the universe? Bad Wolf was a clue for Rose to defeat the Daleks. Apparently the phrase "Medusa Cascade" is the archword this season, so why didn't she say that? Why bring up something from year 1 which had faded to the point of being a joke at the end of year 2 (Bad Wolf Bay). But again, I'll wait for the next few episodes to pass final judgment.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was an odd episode. very bleak and depressing. since it's obviously just a prelude to next week I can't really form a solid opinion on the main story aspects. The big problem I had was that Davies seemed to be contradicting his own recent stories. In the Voyage of the Damned they said the Titanic hitting London would detroy the world, not just be a massive nuke. Also the Adipose lady only started killing when the Doctor rushed the timetable. Without him their would've been just people losing weight and no one being the wiser, not the millions of deaths shown in this episode. And Rose looked off. Her mouth or something seemed different. And since when does Bad Wolf mean the end of the universe? Bad Wolf was a clue for Rose to defeat the Daleks. Apparently the phrase "Medusa Cascade" is the archword this season, so why didn't she say that? Why bring up something from year 1 which had faded to the point of being a joke at the end of year 2 (Bad Wolf Bay). But again, I'll wait for the next few episodes to pass final judgment.
Why don't you just admit you're too stupid to watch the show.
I think Rose's odd sound and mouth was due to Billie Piper trying to remember Rose's accent, while at the same time, progressing the character's mannerisms. Also, Piper herself is older, thus there would be some measurable difference than when we last saw her.
Man, next week looks fucking a-w-e-s-o-m-e! Talk about crossovers!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was an odd episode. very bleak and depressing. since it's obviously just a prelude to next week I can't really form a solid opinion on the main story aspects. The big problem I had was that Davies seemed to be contradicting his own recent stories. In the Voyage of the Damned they said the Titanic hitting London would detroy the world, not just be a massive nuke. Also the Adipose lady only started killing when the Doctor rushed the timetable. Without him their would've been just people losing weight and no one being the wiser, not the millions of deaths shown in this episode. And Rose looked off. Her mouth or something seemed different. And since when does Bad Wolf mean the end of the universe? Bad Wolf was a clue for Rose to defeat the Daleks. Apparently the phrase "Medusa Cascade" is the archword this season, so why didn't she say that? Why bring up something from year 1 which had faded to the point of being a joke at the end of year 2 (Bad Wolf Bay). But again, I'll wait for the next few episodes to pass final judgment.
Why don't you just admit you're too stupid to watch the show.
i would like to see two or more companions next year though. i think that's what they were setting up with Donna. Rose and Martha played it like a lover's fling but Donna has made the companion a sexless position like it used to be. I really enjoyed when Jack or Mickey was along for the ride.
Did Davies rip off a Moffat concept for this story?
"Hey, Blink was a really good episode that a lot of fans liked. What if I just tweaked that whole 'living off stolen time' idea that Steven came up with. Yeah. That's fucking brilliant."
maybe the core concept but obvious the methods and consequences were different. although the Doctor did say that Donna was special enough to warrant a new universe but most people were just adjusted for (like in Blink). though the more I think about it, the more I wonder. the Doctor mentioned the library which was a Moffet script, and he tied this story to that one. I do think this series is my least favorite. No matter how good the finale turns out to be, the series as a whole has not been as good as prior years. The Doctor-light episodes are normally among my favorites (Love and Monsters, Blink). I like Davies but it's time for him to go and for Moffet to take over.
Hey, I just saw the "Impossible Planet" one, and let me say it pissed me off. A planet CAN orbit a black hole. It isn't against the laws of physics. Cygnus X-1 is part of a binary star system; the other star still orbits it. also, there are PLANETS orbiting that black hole. Black Holes aren't magic.
Hey, I just saw the "Impossible Planet" one, and let me say it pissed me off. A planet CAN orbit a black hole. It isn't against the laws of physics. Cygnus X-1 is part of a binary star system; the other star still orbits it. also, there are PLANETS orbiting that black hole. Black Holes aren't magic.
I think the point was that something that small shouldn't have been able to sit that close to the Event Horizon without immediately being drawn in....
Hey, I just saw the "Impossible Planet" one, and let me say it pissed me off. A planet CAN orbit a black hole. It isn't against the laws of physics. Cygnus X-1 is part of a binary star system; the other star still orbits it. also, there are PLANETS orbiting that black hole. Black Holes aren't magic.
I think the point was that something that small shouldn't have been able to sit that close to the Event Horizon without immediately being drawn in....
I know, I got that and got over it pretty quick, but I hate when people spout false science.
Hey, I just saw the "Impossible Planet" one, and let me say it pissed me off. A planet CAN orbit a black hole. It isn't against the laws of physics. Cygnus X-1 is part of a binary star system; the other star still orbits it. also, there are PLANETS orbiting that black hole. Black Holes aren't magic.
I think the point was that something that small shouldn't have been able to sit that close to the Event Horizon without immediately being drawn in....
I know, I got that and got over it pretty quick, but I hate when people spout false science.
Then you definitely need to brace yourself for episodes written by Russel T Davies. Just saying...
In the popular Doctor Who novel “The Eight Doctors,” writer Terrance Dick, of whom Tony Lee is a great fan, re-visited previous incarnations of the Doctor in the midst of adventures from the original series. In IDW’s “Doctor Who: The Forgotten,” Lee decided to take the alternate route and create all new adventures for the classic Doctors. “Although it's always nice to revisit old friends,” Lee told CBR News, “I think we can give more 'forgotten tales' in these short flashbacks. We have the First Doctor, Ian, Barbara and Susan meeting Egyptians; we have the Second, Jamie and Zoe meeting space lizards; the Third, Jo and The Brigadier (and pretty much most of the UNIT regulars) defeating aliens on Dartmoor; the Fourth and Romana (two) in millennium Paris; the Fifth, Tegan and Turlough facing a more recent addition in a Village cricket match; the Sixth and Peri in a courtroom; the Seventh and Ace in an alien war torn city; the Eighth alone in a Count of Monte Cristo setting; and the Ninth and Rose in the trenches of World War I. And every single one of them has been an utter joy to write.
“Oh and of course we have the Tenth and Martha,” Lee added, “in a strange museum being hassled by gun happy waxworks, giant familiar spiders, robots and a mysterious and familiar bearded man."
Fans might be wondering if the Doctor will actually get to meet some of his previous incarnations in “The Forgotten,” or if their appearances will just be contained to flashbacks. Lee kept tight lipped on the matter but he did tease, “Let's just say that there is a two-page double-spread panel in one of the later issues that will make all the fans excited. And by this point you'll also know exactly what's going on. I told the ending to a longtime friend and massive Doctor Who fan and he spent the next hour a gibbering wreck.”
Fucking AWEsome!!! I will definitely be getting this. This is exactly the kind of Doctor Who comics I've been wanting. I don't want "the further adventures of the guy that's on TV right now". I want all new adventures for past Docs. Of course, I REALLY hope to god it's not that shit-ass 'Madurea-type'cartoony art they have going for the 10th Doc comics...
Fucking AWEsome!!! I will definitely be getting this. This is exactly the kind of Doctor Who comics I've been wanting. I don't want "the further adventures of the guy that's on TV right now". I want all new adventures for past Docs. Of course, I REALLY hope to god it's not that shit-ass 'Madurea-type'cartoony art they have going for the 10th Doc comics...
You do realize that if you click on the link Grimm provided, that you'll get to see the images of the book, right?
I agree that the artist is shit. I do like a lot of the ideas he has. He just doesn't pull them off well. For example, that Hartnell pick would look pretty fucking awesome if someone with talent had drawn it.
When I was reading comics, shitty art could stop me from enjoying a comic book. A good example was the short lived Hex series.
I actually really enjoyed that book, but could not get into the final issue(s) because of the art. Normally, I like Giffens art, but on that book it was fucking awful.
For all I know, the wind up on that series was great, but I totally zoned out on the story as the art was so distracting (in a bad way).
Its kinda like films. The story and script can be ground breaking, but if the camera work and acting is terrible, the good things cannot be enjoyed!
Once again, I concur. The Pertwee pic is a perfect example of how bad this guy is. Not only the pose stiff, but is he standing on the seat of the car? It's like the guy decided to add in the car at the last minute. Pertwee should be interacting with it, hand on the windshield or steering wheel, and not standing so damn high in it.
I agree that the artist is shit. I do like a lot of the ideas he has. He just doesn't pull them off well. For example, that Hartnell pick would look pretty fucking awesome if someone with talent had drawn it.
Agreed. FUCK! Why do they have gay-out the art like that? Who thinks THAT is good art??
The Eight Doctors really wasn't all that great a story, to be honest. It's one of the three Doctor Who novels I've ever actually read.
Uschi, which Doctor's have you seen? How familiar are you with the show and history and all that? You seem to be much more intune with it than I would expect from a newcomer. You watched Baker as a kid, right?
My Dad liked it and my two oldest sisters almost got one of the action figure sets from a PBS donation (but Dad was too stingy and opted out. mom still calls him out on that). He didn't watch it much when I was around, but I found it on PBS when I was 8 or so. Watched mostly random Bakers, then Davidson (whom I both hated and crushed on), then a episode or two of the really colorful guy. I know little, but I do have experience with the Doctor.
I saw both parts of THE Library today, I must say I really enjoyed it. Much better than the third part of that Master one which was almost worse than Burg made it sound.
Yeah, age six (1978) went looking to catch the tail end of 3,2,1...Contact, and ended up suddenly watching some bizarre, curly-mopped wide-eyed guy with a weird accent, and an impossibly long scarf, running down a corridor, away from these gay-looking trashcans yelling "EX-TER-MI-NATE!".
Naturally I was hooked.
USCHI, glad you like The Library two-parter. The writer is Steven Moffat. He's taking over the show in 2010.
Speaking of the show, I just got through watching the one that aired in the UK tonight.
You want some brilliant non-Who Moffat? Netflix/rent/download Jekyll (the guys in my avatar and sig). I really think you, of all people, would enjoy it...
What one reviewer said about tonight's episode, The Stolen Earth:
"Like being given a blow-job at a "Dr Who" convention whilst Murray Gold hums the "Dr Who" theme tune in your ear. You feel a bit cheapened, but you're gonna get your rocks off anyway."
I never saw it or heard of it on PBS, and I did watch PBS shows as a kid so I'm surprised I missed it. I would have really loved the older series as a kid. But the first I remember hearing about it was a few offhand references on other shows and the 1996 movie.
What one reviewer said about tonight's episode, The Stolen Earth:
"Like being given a blow-job at a "Dr Who" convention whilst Murray Gold hums the "Dr Who" theme tune in your ear. You feel a bit cheapened, but you're gonna get your rocks off anyway."
exactly. It was fun seeing them all together, it was fun seeing the Rhino-cops, it was fun seeing Davros and the Daleks. And I did like how a bunch of offhand remarks from earlier episodes about missing planets and lost moons was tied together nicely. And it was fun seeing an insane giggling Dalek.
I have doubts. They've said he's confirmed to stay throughout the specials in 2009 but said nothing about series 5 in 2010. But I can't see them cheapening the regeneration sequence by going through the full FX and then not going through with it.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
I have doubts. They've said he's confirmed to stay throughout the specials in 2009 but said nothing about series 5 in 2010. But I can't see them cheapening the regeneration sequence by going through the full FX and then not going through with it.
Good episode. I'm sure RTD will use some crazy bullshit to fix up everything that he's done thus far yet again to totally kill the ending just like he did last season and the first.
A teaser trailer for next week's 65 minute finale. All US/Sc-Fi viewers are warned of Spoilers...
Warning, Spoiler:
how many times does Davies need to do the same Dalek cliffhanger, only with more characters thrown into the mix? you know that no matter how good the setup is, (and he is quite good at setting them up. it's one thing he does do well.) that the ending is just not going to live up to expectations. he has no idea how to resolve these things. Bad Wolf? Doomsday? excellent setups that leave you breathless. but the resolutions? lacking. severely lacking. he needs to find a writing partner to help finish stories (and hopefully add some new ideas!).
how many times does Davies need to do the same Dalek cliffhanger, only with more characters thrown into the mix? you know that no matter how good the setup is, (and he is quite good at setting them up. it's one thing he does do well.) that the ending is just not going to live up to expectations. he has no idea how to resolve these things. Bad Wolf? Doomsday? excellent setups that leave you breathless. but the resolutions? lacking. severely lacking. he needs to find a writing partner to help finish stories (and hopefully add some new ideas!).
And yet, it was still a damn good episode! Of course he won't finish it off with any great triumph. But, he's leaving. So, I'm not only willing to give them the benefit of the doubt as far as big changes, but, I'm willing to give him some room to wank a bit...
Davidson is possible after his recent appearance. Eccleston might be the most obvious, but I doubt it. Colin, McCoy and McGann are all unlikely. The Baker would be awesome and would cause the biggest geekgasm ever, and I am not sure the planet would survive!
The Baker would be awesome and would cause the biggest geekgasm ever, and I am not sure the planet would survive!
Yeah, we're only speculating here. However, if THAT were to occur, you're right...the internet would just break. The Outpost Gallifrey boards would crash in seconds. I myself would have a seizure...
You're not watching? Then how do you know what's going on?
As for the Genesis connection, Jake...nice. I didn't even think about that. I don't know, I just don't see Baker suddenly popping up. I'd love to be wrong, though...
how many times does Davies need to do the same Dalek cliffhanger, only with more characters thrown into the mix? you know that no matter how good the setup is, (and he is quite good at setting them up. it's one thing he does do well.) that the ending is just not going to live up to expectations. he has no idea how to resolve these things. Bad Wolf? Doomsday? excellent setups that leave you breathless. but the resolutions? lacking. severely lacking. he needs to find a writing partner to help finish stories (and hopefully add some new ideas!).
And yet, it was still a damn good episode! Of course he won't finish it off with any great triumph. But, he's leaving. So, I'm not only willing to give them the benefit of the doubt as far as big changes, but, I'm willing to give him some room to wank a bit...
I remember Davies saying once that he didn't like the idea of doing a multi-Doctor episode because then it becomes more about the actors than the story. Granted, this whole finale is all about the actors guest starring but I can't see him doing his last regular episode with a Doctor that he's never written. And I think bringing in Eccleston (the only Doctor Davies has written) might seem like an insult to Tennant so I can't see them doing that either. Of course this is all speculation. Davies also said he would never bring the Master back during his run, and then that he enjoys lying to throw off fans.
You're not watching? Then how do you know what's going on?
As for the Genesis connection, Jake...nice. I didn't even think about that. I don't know, I just don't see Baker suddenly popping up. I'd love to be wrong, though...
I dont! I looked up the last episode on the BBC website and skipped to the end! I was waiting til series 3 is reduced in price on DVD, and just cannot bring myself to watch the current series with that horses arse Tate.
Dude, Tate is really, really good in this! I don't know what she's like in her other shows, but in Doctor Who she's fantastic. Best of all the modern companions. Well, ties with Captain Jack, anyway...
I've only seen him with Tennant in the re-runs SciFi shows. Maybe after he got his own program he started to suck or something. I dunno, I just don't like him.
I like Captain Jack better as a Companion than as the star of his own series, but overall he's a likable character. I do think though you have to watch the 1st season episodes with him and Rose and the Ninth Doctor to really appreciate him. The Tennant episodes with Jack assume you know him and like him already.
Yeah, 9th Doctor, Rose, and Captain Jack Harkness from Season One's The Empty Child through Parting of the Ways was the absolute best grouping they've had on this show. Those guys worked perfectly as a team. Not to mention, the chemistry was awesome...
Good episode. I'm sure RTD will use some crazy bullshit to fix up everything that he's done thus far yet again to totally kill the ending just like he did last season and the first.
Happened to think about the fact that the Doctor is still lugging that hand around. Probably use it to prevent the regeneration.
anyone else notice that Mccoy was wearing his Doctor costume in the Confidential episode, while Davidson was just wearing normal clothes. Maybe that's a clue that Mccoy (who looks enough like he did the last time he played the role) will be the result of a botched regeneration.
Bit of an updated look. Worlds better than the original look. That is, if this isn't just his normal clothes...
well i do think the hat was always his. but there have been many many interviews with him over the years and this is the first time I recall seeing him in costume.
was a big letdown. It was big and flashy and had everyone in it but it felt hollow. I think the Regeneration is a big deal and shouldn't be used unless a new Doctor is coming in. I wouldn't have minded some botched regeneration that got reversed but to use it as a giant band-aid was annoying. I thought the Doctor/Donna brain mesh was interesting, but also a bit of a letdown. Leaving the human Doctor with Rose was a decent way to resolve that story without having the Doctor get mushy and romantic. But overall the episode was just not worth 63 minutes. RTD has done a lot for the show but he's obviously burnt out and needs to go.
Good episode. I'm sure RTD will use some crazy bullshit to fix up everything that he's done thus far yet again to totally kill the ending just like he did last season and the first.
Happened to think about the fact that the Doctor is still lugging that hand around. Probably use it to prevent the regeneration.
Good episode. I'm sure RTD will use some crazy bullshit to fix up everything that he's done thus far yet again to totally kill the ending just like he did last season and the first.
Happened to think about the fact that the Doctor is still lugging that hand around. Probably use it to prevent the regeneration.
The finale was typical RTD. However, it didn't annoy me nearly as much as last year's 'Doctor Jesus' ending. There was enough sincere nostalgia to keep me afloat through times of silly or absurdity. Donna's story is the most tragic of anyone in the series.
And, was it obvious that the "human Doctor" was supposed to be Eccleston's Doctor? Especially the way he was dressed, acted, the "running" scene, the genocide...it was like the whole bit was written to have the 9th Doctor in that role. Too bad he wasn't.
Cheesy or not, I dug the shit out of the console scene. Having the entire cast of the modern series gathered together this one time...fucking awesome.
RTD is writing the Xmas episode and the three specials next year. Roll on Moffat in 2010...
The more I think about it the more the finale felt hollow and stupid. The whole idea that the clone Doctor represented the Ninth Doctor before he met Rose and how the Tenth is so different doesn't hold up. He killed the Racnose (spider queen) and her kids which was also genocide. Blowing up Pompei also wiped out those stone aliens, who were the last of their kind. All were acts of genocide to save innocent lives and planets. And all were after Rose left the Doctor.
Also I'm tired of the sad goodbye to the companions in each finale. With Rose it was well done, Martha made sense, but now with Donna it just seems like a rehash of the old idea. Why not contract her for the Christmas episode at least so the season doesn't need to end on such a down note.
And I really hope the Daleks go away for several years. They're no longer special. The first few with Eccleston were good, the 2nd season Cyberman war was great, and even the Daleks in Manhatten was fun. But now they've dragged out all the big names and gotten rid of them. They need to let the Daleks rest and not find any more survivors for awhile, otherwise it'll become as silly as people finding Gilligan's Island every week. Why not have some lost colony of Time Lords? That'd be a good story. Have the Doctor find them and then realize he doesn't like his people much and leave them again. They need to add some happiness to the show instead of constant mounting tragedy. Another reason I'm glad Moffet will be taking over. I loved the end of the Doctor Dances where "everyone gets to live." It's nice to have those stories instead of contant drama.
I haven't seen the finale but I heard the clone Doctor absorbed some of Donna's personality besides Tennent's version. Hope Davies gives Donna a happy ending in one of his specials next year.
I haven't seen the finale but I heard the clone Doctor absorbed some of Donna's personality besides Tennent's version. Hope Davies gives Donna a happy ending in one of his specials next year.
So, "Doctor Who" is over for the year (at least in the UK), with no more episodes until 2010. Apart from the two Christmas Specials. And another three specials. And then there's the five episode "Torchwood" series next year, two new series of "The Sarah Jane Adventures", the Big Finish audios, the novels, the IDW comics, the Panini comics, the toys, the...
Anyway. 2010. When Steven Moffat takes over as showrunner. LITG already reported rumours that Neil Gaiman and Rob Shearman will be writing episodes for that series (and maybe Rob can explain why a bunch of American alien hunters don't know what a Dalek is in 2012), but now I've also been told about an actor who'll be appearing some point in "Doctor Who" that year.
Tom Baker.
Whether he's playing the Doctor as everyone wants, the Master as he himself suggested, or something else... we'll have to wait and see.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
And I really hope the Daleks go away for several years. They're no longer special. The first few with Eccleston were good, the 2nd season Cyberman war was great, and even the Daleks in Manhatten was fun. But now they've dragged out all the big names and gotten rid of them. They need to let the Daleks rest and not find any more survivors for awhile, otherwise it'll become as silly as people finding Gilligan's Island every week. Why not have some lost colony of Time Lords? That'd be a good story. Have the Doctor find them and then realize he doesn't like his people much and leave them again. They need to add some happiness to the show instead of constant mounting tragedy. Another reason I'm glad Moffet will be taking over. I loved the end of the Doctor Dances where "everyone gets to live." It's nice to have those stories instead of contant drama.
I think this is the big thing I didn't like about the finale. Yeah, it's nerdy cool to see Davros again; but the Dalek's have been poorly used overall in the relaunch. I think the overuse of them is one of the reasons. Before, you could go years without a Dalek's story. They made sure that each Doctor had at least one. Now, it's at least once a season, which I've heard is due to the agreement with Terry Nation's estate. Also, how many times does the Doctor get to completely wipe out the Daleks only to find another super secret splinter group?
As far as other Time Lords, there are several possibilities that I'm wondering if they're ever going to consider. The Monk, the Rani, and Susan.
Finally saw the finale. While I don't care for Donna's fate, it didn't bother me so much. Sure that could be the last we see of her but I suspect she'll be back in some form or another. I liked how Rose's situation was resolved & note that she also had died in the second season.
The big question or at least one of them is what type of companion will the Doctor have next? If Davies is doing the specials next year I would guess he would use the River character he introduced this last season. Another candidate could be Jenny his daughter. Or perhaps he goes it alone for a bit? I think Donna made it clear that he does need somebody but if it's for only 4 or 5 specials before a new writer takes over maybe they'll keep him solo till the regular episodes kick in after next year.
Finally saw the finale. While I don't care for Donna's fate, it didn't bother me so much. Sure that could be the last we see of her but I suspect she'll be back in some form or another. I liked how Rose's situation was resolved & note that she also had died in the second season.
The big question or at least one of them is what type of companion will the Doctor have next? If Davies is doing the specials next year I would guess he would use the River character he introduced this last season. Another candidate could be Jenny his daughter. Or perhaps he goes it alone for a bit? I think Donna made it clear that he does need somebody but if it's for only 4 or 5 specials before a new writer takes over maybe they'll keep him solo till the regular episodes kick in after next year.
It bugs me that we had yet another finale where the companion leaves and the Doctor is sad. It seems like RTD wanted to just be a dick. He went to all that trouble of showing everyone together and then Sarah Jane tells him how he has this big family and then they trash that by getting rid of Donna and leaving the Doctor mopey. I think they should've had the Doctor and Donna going off on an adventure, happy as clams, and then contracted Tate to do a scene in the Christmas special where she has to leave. I would be really annoyed if they have a new companion every special that either dies or decides not to travel with the Doctor. I think River won't be showing up until Moffet takes over since he was the one who wrote the episodes featuring her. I got the sense he was was setting up his own run when he introduced her.
I doubt we will ever, ever see River Song. I think that was just a character idea that Moffat introduced for one story. It was a concept character....the future companion/lover/wife. Nothing more, nothing less. We can assume he meets and travels with her either between this finale and the Xmas special (how long is he by himself? Could be centuries of adventures), or she's from a future incarnation (which is what Moffat was implying, per the writer himself in an interview in the Confidential) and we will never see her at all again.
As for Donna (Spoilers for Uschi!) I think her ending was the most tragic of any character he's introduced. So, I loved/hated her ending.
As for the Specials, I've heard that it will be one-off characters, different for each story. Also, RTD isn't writing all of them. He has stated that someone else will be writing at least one of them. Probably Moffat, to help the transition I'd imagine...
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that's cheating! I only looked at this thread because you made a post on it, which I saw in the list of forums. you're having an observer effect on the boards.
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Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
It bugs me that we had yet another finale where the companion leaves and the Doctor is sad. It seems like RTD wanted to just be a dick. He went to all that trouble of showing everyone together and then Sarah Jane tells him how he has this big family and then they trash that by getting rid of Donna and leaving the Doctor mopey. I think they should've had the Doctor and Donna going off on an adventure, happy as clams, and then contracted Tate to do a scene in the Christmas special where she has to leave. I would be really annoyed if they have a new companion every special that either dies or decides not to travel with the Doctor. I think River won't be showing up until Moffet takes over since he was the one who wrote the episodes featuring her. I got the sense he was was setting up his own run when he introduced her.
It seems to be part of the Doctor's character to be mopey when a companion leaves. Like Sarah Jane said, he really does have a large family. He doesn't have set work hours & he's got the transportation to visit but just chooses not to visit them. I sort of assume it's because he doesn't want to see them grow old & die that he doesn't keep in touch better.
And while I hope to see Donna come back & get her happy ending, there is something said for leaving the audience wanting more. While it was nice having Rose come back & get herself a Doctor, it wasn't like it had been during first & second season. Even Martha's appearences were like that & she hadn't been gone long IMHO. I really enjoyed these characters when they were co-stars on the show but it doesn't quite work for me when they reappear as guest stars.
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Judging it was RTD, I actually think it was the only good finale he's done since season one's Parting of the Ways. The meta-clone thing didn't bother me because he was supposed to be a metaphor for Eccleston 9th Doctor (the one she fell in love with in the first place). So, in the end, it could have been worse.....like last year's Jesus-Doctor...ugh...
Judging it was RTD, I actually think it was the only good finale he's done since season one's Parting of the Ways. The meta-clone thing didn't bother me because he was supposed to be a metaphor for Eccleston 9th Doctor (the one she fell in love with in the first place). So, in the end, it could have been worse.....like last year's Jesus-Doctor...ugh...
I really enjoyed Doomsday, it was the first ever Dalek vs. Cyberman story. And Tennant was really funny in that one. I also really liked the Master arc last season. THe Davros arc was a let down.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
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Judging it was RTD, I actually think it was the only good finale he's done since season one's Parting of the Ways. The meta-clone thing didn't bother me because he was supposed to be a metaphor for Eccleston 9th Doctor (the one she fell in love with in the first place). So, in the end, it could have been worse.....like last year's Jesus-Doctor...ugh...
I really enjoyed Doomsday, it was the first ever Dalek vs. Cyberman story. And Tennant was really funny in that one. I also really liked the Master arc last season. THe Davros arc was a let down.
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It was ok. seems like it was filmed for some orchestra concert in albert hall. the doctor spends most of the time "interacting" with the concert goers. still worth a watch.
A Steven Moffat interview from 1996, on why he thinks Peter Davison is the best Doctor:
THE ONE (OUT OF SEVEN)
Steven Moffat, author of the BAFTA and Montreux Award-winning series PRESS GANG and JOKING APART, recalls how Peter Davison brought a new quality to the role of the Doctor — and almost saved a twenty-something fan from embarrassment in the process...
Back when I was in my early twenties, I thought Doctor Who was the scariest programme on television. I had one particular Who-inspired nightmare which haunts me to this day — except it wasn't a nightmare at all, it was something that happened to me on a regular basis. I'd be sitting watching Doctor Who on a Saturday, absolutely as normal... but I'd be in the company of my friends!!
Being a fan is an odd thing, isn't it? I was in little doubt — though I never admitted it, even to myself — that Doctor Who was nowhere near as good as it should have been, but for whatever reason I'd made that mysterious and deadly emotional connection with the show that transforms you into a fan and like a psychotically devoted supporter of a floundering football club, I turned out every Saturday in my scarf, grimly hoping the production team would finally score.
Of course my friends all knew my devotion to the Doctor had unaccountably survived puberty and had long since ceased to deride me for it. I think (I hope) they generally considered me someone of reasonable taste and intelligence and decided to indulge me in this one, stunningly eccentric lapse. And sometimes, on those distant Saturday afternoons before domestic video my nightmare would begin. I'd be stuck out somewhere with those friends and I'd realise in a moment of sweaty panic that I wasn't going to make it home in time for the programme—or worse, they' d be round at my house not taking the hint to leave — so on my infantile insistence we'd all troop to the nearest television and settle down to watch, me clammy with embarrassment at what was to come, my friends tolerant, amused and even open-minded.
And the music would start. And I'd grip the arms of my chair. And I'd pray! Just this once, I begged, make it good. Not great, not fantastic —just good. Don't, I was really saying, show me up.
And sometimes it would start really quite well. There might even be a passable effects shot (there were more of those than you might imagine) and possibly a decent establishing scene where this week's expendable guest actors popped outside to investigate that mysterious clanking/groaning/beeping/slurping sound before being found horribly killed/gibbering mad an episode later.
At this point I might actually relax a little. I might even start breathing and let my hair unclench. And then it would be happen. The star of the show would come rocketing through the door, hit a shuddering halt slap in the middle of the set and stare at the camera like (and let's be honest here) a complete moron.
I'd hear my friends shifting in their chairs. I could hear sniggers tactfully suppressed. Once one of them remarked (with touching gentleness, mindful of my feelings) that this really wasn't terribly good acting.
Of course, as even they would concede, Tom Baker (for it was he) had been good once — even terrific — but he had long since disappeared up his own art in a seven-year-long act of self-destruction that took him from being a dangerous young actor with a future to a sad, mad old ham safely locked away in a voice-over booth.
Which brings us, of course, to Peter Davison (for it was about to be him). I was appalled when he was cast. I announced to my bored and blank-faced friends that Davison was far too young, far too pretty, and far, far too wet to play television's most popular character (as, I deeply regret to say, I described the Doctor). Little did I realise, back in 1982, that after years of anxious waiting on the terraces in my front room, my home team were about to score — or that Davison was about to do something almost never before seen in the role of the Doctor. He was going to act.
Let's get something straight, because if you don't know now it's time you did. Davison was the best of the lot. Number One! It's not a big coincidence or some kind of evil plot, that he's played more above-the-title lead roles on the telly than the rest of the Doctors put together. It's because-get this!-he's the best actor.
You don't believe me? Okay, let's check out the opposition, Doctor-wise (relax, I'll be gentle).
1. William Hartnell. Look, he didn't know his lines! (okay, fairly gentle. It wasn't his fault) and it's sort of a minimum requirement of the lead actor dial he knows marginally more about what's going to happen next than the audience. In truth, being replaceable was his greatest gift to the series. Had the first Doctor delivered a wonderful performance they almost certainly would not have considered a recast and the show would have died back in the sixties.
2. Patrick Troughton. Marvellous! Troughton, far more than the dispensable, misremembered Hartnell, was the template for the Doctors to come and indeed his performance is the most often cited as precedent for his successors. Trouble is, the show in those days was strictly for indulgent ten-year-olds (and therefore hard to judge as an adult). Damn good, though, and Davison's sole competitor.
3. Jon Pertwee. The idea of a sort of Jason King with a sillier frock isn't that seductive, really, is it? In fairness he carried a certain pompous gravitas and was charismatic enough to dominate the proceedings as the Doctor should. Had his notion of the character been less straightforwardly heroic he might have pulled off something a little more interesting. His Worzel Gummidge, after all,is inspired and wonderful.
4. Tom Baker. Thunderingly effective at the start, even if his interpretation did seem to alter entirely to fit this week's script. (Compare, say, THE SEEDS OF DOOM and THE CITY OF DEATH. Is this supposed to be the same person?) I think I've said quite enough already about his sad decline so let's just say that it's nice to see him back on top form in Medics. Well, it was while it lasted.
5. Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy. Miscast and floundering. Neither made much impression on the role and none at all on the audience. Or at least on me.
So what makes Davison — for me — the best, and his episodes the ones I wouldn't mind watching in the company of my most cynical and sarcastic friends? I'm certainly not claiming the show was suddenly high art or great drama — it was after all, the adventures of space man in a frock coat who lives in a flying telephone box — but for a brief three years it seemed to take the job of being an entertaining, adventure-romp for kids of all ages with just the right mix of seriousness and vivacity, the way Lois And Clark does so adroitly now and the leading man, bless him. was really delivering.
It's become traditional to say that the Doctor is not an acting part — I think Tom Baker started it and he certainly seemed increasingly determined to prove it true. This is, of course, nonsense. Like any other heroic character in melodrama, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes,Tarzan — he has his motivations and fallibilities. In fact, the Doctor's are rather well defined — perhaps unusually so, for a "Hero'.
We know him to be a sort of academic aristocrat who one day, on a simple moral imperative, erupts from the cloisters and roars through time and space on a mission to end all evil in the universe, unarmed and,if possible, politely.
Consider for a moment — as you would have to if you were casting this part — what kind of man makes a decision like that? He's profoundly emotional (it's a profoundly emotional decision), he's idealistic (unarmed?? Not even a truncheon??), he feels the suffering of others with almost unbearable acuteness (or he'd have stayed at home like we all do when there s a famine or a massacre on the news), he's almost insanely impulsive (I don't think I need explain that one) and he is, above all, an innocent — because only an innocent would try to take on the entire cosmos and hope to persuade it to behave a little better. Now look at the seven Doctors. Which one best fits the picture? Which one could you see acting this way? Be honest — it's number five.
It wouldn't surprise me, given the meticulous actor Davison is known to be, that some of the above was actually thought through and consciously foregrounded in his interpretation. Certainly, he seemed to reject the theatrical eccentricity of his predecessors (leading to the ridiculous criticisms that he's 'bland' and 'wet') in favour of a more visceral, emotional performance, emphasising the Doctor's anxieties and escalating panic in the face of disaster.
Davison's Doctor is beautifully unaware that he is a hero — he simply responds as he feels he must when confronted with evil and injustice, and does so with a very 'human' sense of fluster and outrage. In one of the comparatively few perfect decisions in Doctor Who, Davison is allowed to finally expire saving, not the entire universe, but just one life. This isn't to show, as has been suggested, that he's any less capable or powerful than the other Doctors —just that, for him, saving one life is as great an imperative as saving a galaxy. This, then, is the Doctor as I believe he ought to be — someone who would brave a supernova to rescue a kitten from a tree.
But that's not the whole picture, is it? A terrific central performance — but what about the stories? Astonishingly, they were pretty damn good too. Only Twice in the whole run did the show lapse into the embarrassing (TIME-FLIGHT and WARRIORS OF THE DEEP) which, given my team's previous propensity for own goals, showed amazing restraint and there were whole runs of straight-forward but corkingly well realised yarns (THE VISITATION, FRONTIOS, MAWDRYN UNDEAD, RESURRECTION OF THE DALEKS, ENLIGHTENMENT, THE AWAKENING, THE FIVE DOCTORS and quite a few others). And there were some real stand-outs, weren't there? EARTHSHOCK, for instance, while having a story crafted almost entirely out of gaping plot holes had some cracking set pieces, thumping good direction, and some real 'moments' (Davison's first sighting of the Cybermen being my favourite). THE CAVES OF ANDROZANI, while again needing some tightening up on the plot front (I mean just where was the Doc during episode 3) was also superbly directed, had a terrific guest villain (Christopher Gable) and Davison's all time best Doctor performance as his heart-breaking doomed innocent gives his all to save a woman he's only just met.
Best of all, of course, there was KINDA and there was SNAKEDANCE and if you don't know those are the two best Who stories ever you probably stopped reading after I slagged off Tom Baker anyway.
I find it genuinely surprising that Who fans don't routinely consider the Davison era to be their finest hour. It's only serious competition in terms of consistency and quality are the early Tom Baker stories and those, being largely a set of one-note Hammer hand-me-downs, lack the same variety and ambition.
Is it because Davison doesn't fit the established, middle-aged image of the Time Lord — even though, with twelve regenerations the Doctor must be a rather young Gallifreyan with, we know, a definitively youthful, rebellious outlook? Is it that some fans had actually latched on to tackier, more juvenile style of the earlier seasons and actually missed that approach? Whatever the explanation, if it's possible for anyone to watch something like KINDA and not realise the show was suddenly in a whole different class then I find that slightly worrying. Perhaps — no definitely — there's something about being a fan that skews your critical judgements.
Still, never mind all that. Back when the Eighties were young, and I was still one of those fans, all I cared about was that my show was suddenly kicking sci-fi bottom and I was proud and renewed in my faith. And once, on a visit to London, I persuaded my smart and cynical (and now slightly older) friends that Doctor Who really was a new and better show — respectable, intelligent, well made. And I persuaded them, for the first time in a long time, to watch an episode with me. I wasn't forced to, this time — I had a VCR recording at home, I could always see it later — but I wanted to surprise them with just how much better my team was playing.
So after much persuasion from me, we all sat down together and watched the panto horse episode of WARRIORS OF THE DEEP.
The Classic Who Figures (Wave 1) is being released August 15th. I just pre-ordered the 4th - 6th Doctors. If you get the entire wave, you can build the K-1 Robot (from Tom Baker's first episode).
Also, check out these expensive statues. $500 for the TARDIS statue!
Hugo Award hat-trick for Moffat Steven Moffat has won his third Hugo Award in a row for an episode of Doctor Who, after his 2007 episode "Blink" won the Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form category in the 2008 awards, given at the WorldCon event in Denver last night. This is according to a run-down of winners on the HugoAwards.org website.
The Hugo Awards celebrate the best of science-fiction across various media. "Blink", which was directed by Hettie Macdonald, was nominated alongside Paul Cornell's two-parter "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood" and Catherine Treganna's Torchwood episode "Captain Jack Harkness".
Blink is a great episode, Moffet's episodes have been the absolute best from each year, no matter how good or bad a season is, his rise to the top. I can't wait for this guy to be running the show.
I watched Blink with my 6 year old nephew; I was bricking it as much as him. That's what Dr. Who is all about - watching it as a kid at supper time and being too scared to sleep.
I don't know, though. I love Barrowman, but I think he's sort of the UK tv-whore. He's on everything, from what I understand, always pimping himself out as a television personality. Meanwhile, I find that I enjoyed his Captain Jack character during his first appearances (Eccleston season). After that, he's seemed to get campier and less serious. Captain Jack himself should be pretty funny and laid back, naturally. That's what makes him a great character. However, compare the guy who stood down Daleks in Parting of the Ways with the guy who cheesed-out the line "Like I was sayin'....feel this!"{shoots Dalek} in Journey's End. He sacrifices any gravitas he has when he tries to be "cool" or "witty". I'd rather just see him be casual and care-free, but still get serious and kick some ass when it calls for it.
Also, Captain Jack on Torchwood is just the opposite end of the spectrum. Too morose.
I don't know, though. I love Barrowman, but I think he's sort of the UK tv-whore. He's on everything, from what I understand, always pimping himself out as a television personality. Meanwhile, I find that I enjoyed his Captain Jack character during his first appearances (Eccleston season). After that, he's seemed to get campier and less serious. Captain Jack himself should be pretty funny and laid back, naturally. That's what makes him a great character. However, compare the guy who stood down Daleks in Parting of the Ways with the guy who cheesed-out the line "Like I was sayin'....feel this!"{shoots Dalek} in Journey's End. He sacrifices any gravitas he has when he tries to be "cool" or "witty". I'd rather just see him be casual and care-free, but still get serious and kick some ass when it calls for it.
Also, Captain Jack on Torchwood is just the opposite end of the spectrum. Too morose.
watching a lot of Tom Baker episodes, and Colin Baker episodes. Trial of a Time Lord is shit but his first year (with the 45 minute episodes and the lovely Peri) are pretty good. Really enjoyed Mark of the Rani, the Cyberman story, and the Two Doctors. Really loving Tom Baker stories. City of Death is just awesome. Funny and yet with a very clever premise. Nice little John Cleese cameo. Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
Good to see your return, Radler. All good Baker eps. I'd also throw in Robots of Death if you haven't seen it. It has, for my money, the quintessential TB Doctor moment. Also, I loved Louise Jameson (Leela).....
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
watching a lot of Tom Baker episodes, and Colin Baker episodes. Trial of a Time Lord is shit but his first year (with the 45 minute episodes and the lovely Peri) are pretty good. Really enjoyed Mark of the Rani, the Cyberman story, and the Two Doctors. Really loving Tom Baker stories. City of Death is just awesome. Funny and yet with a very clever premise. Nice little John Cleese cameo. Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
watching a lot of Tom Baker episodes, and Colin Baker episodes. Trial of a Time Lord is shit but his first year (with the 45 minute episodes and the lovely Peri) are pretty good. Really enjoyed Mark of the Rani, the Cyberman story, and the Two Doctors. Really loving Tom Baker stories. City of Death is just awesome. Funny and yet with a very clever premise. Nice little John Cleese cameo. Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
Creature From the Pit is one of my favorites. The old woman servant of the Queen or whatever was in the first episodes of Doctor Who ever.
Also if you can check out The Androids of Tara. It's excellent.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
watching a lot of Tom Baker episodes, and Colin Baker episodes. Trial of a Time Lord is shit but his first year (with the 45 minute episodes and the lovely Peri) are pretty good. Really enjoyed Mark of the Rani, the Cyberman story, and the Two Doctors. Really loving Tom Baker stories. City of Death is just awesome. Funny and yet with a very clever premise. Nice little John Cleese cameo. Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
I agree with Doc about Robots of Death. I consider that episode (along with Talons of Weng-Chiang, City of Death, Brain of Morbius, and Genesis of the Daleks) to be a "starter" episode for newbies. Some golden-age Doctor Who right there.
City of Death is my all-time favorite Tom Baker episode. The fact that it's written by Douglas Adams, and the villian from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade plays the alien makes it all the better. Not to mention, Baker and Lalla Ward (Romana II) were at the height of their real-world love affair, so the chemistry was spot-on. It's flawless Doctor Who.
Also, I'm glad you dig Colin Baker's first year. Yeah, Trial drags on. But, I loved his first season. I enjoyed a Doctor that was unbalanced. It was nice to see an incarnation that didn't quite come out right. Too bad Colin got royally shafted by the BBC. I live in hope I'll get to see him on-screen again one day. Of course, I have no problem with them tossing that fucking awful outfit. Fuck continuity, that shit sucked. Hard.
Keep us updated on your progress. It's fun to see Who through fresh eyes like this...
Creature From the Pit is one of my favorites. The old woman servant of the Queen or whatever was in the first episodes of Doctor Who ever.
...who? Barbara? Is she in that?
Meanwhile, I picked up a bootleg compilation at D*Con of every Jon Pertwee story ever made, crammed onto 12 DVDs. I was surprised to find that there are Pertwee episodes I've never actually seen!
Just watched The Time Monster for the first time last night. I fucking l-o-v-e Roger Delgado's incarnation of 'The Master'. He was brilliant...
I just find it amazing how well those robot masks/helmets turned out compared to the rest of the costumes.
Totally. Those faces stand out as stark memories from my childhood, where Doctor Who actually frightened me. Who was always 'stressful' to watch, and kept me tense when I was young. But, very few episodes actually scared me. Those robots (and their voices), and the screaming masked samurai that cuts Baker's scarf, causing him to fall down a cliff, in the episode The Deadly Assassin. Both of those things I distinctly remember as being truly frightening to my eight-to-ten-year-old self.
And, am I crazy, or did they blatantly copy those faces again in that gawd-awful Xmas Titanic episode from last year?
can someone give me a good explanation of the Dalek's history. I know Genesis of the Daleks changed their timeline a bit but it's confusing reading the synopsis of their appearances. It seems Hartnell and Tennant and everyone in between have fought drastically different Daleks. Also I think the main confusing problem is that some stories are given dates. When did Davros make them, when did Hartnell encounter them, when did they start becoming a big galactic threat, when did Davros wake up etc? I know time travel is involved, but it's confusing, and not being able to see a lot of the early episodes makes it harder to figure out. can anyone clarify this?
i'm watching Invasion of Time. one problem i have with the current series is that they don't show the inside of the Tardis beyond the control room.I think the control room looks terrific, and they did show once that wardrobe which was neat, but I want to see massive warehouses, workshops, the infirmary, a pool, bedrooms inside the Tardis. It just makes the bigger on the insider element neater. especially with artwork and statues the Doctor has collected. it makes him seem more wonderful and special than a guy travelling alone with a giant room, because he has this whole world with him. So he offers his companions this great world to live in.
I don't know dates, and I'm hazy on certain aspects of the continuity. However, what I do know chronologically, from the in-universe perspective...
Thals and Kaleds go to war with each other on their home planet Skaro
A scientist named Davros creates The Daleks. At the same time the 4th Doctor is sent to Skaro, by the Time Lords, to avert their creation. He fails. This is seen as the first volley of The Great and Final Time War. The Daleks put Davros on ice.
Time-traveling Daleks (and Davros) from the future chase a pre-series First Doctor to Earth, where he hides a dangerous Time Lord weapon. He escapes again, but not before picking up some human passengers (Ian and Barbara).
The very next day from the time the 1st Doctor leaves Earth, the 7th Doctor returns to reclaim the weapon. He faces the Daleks, and an older Davros, that were chasing his first incarnation, and ends up using the weapon to wipe out a majority of the Daleks on Skaro.
Some time after that, the 1st Doctor, Susan, Ian, and Barbara land on the sterile Skaro. The Daleks left here are pre-time travel tech. I believe it's during this era the Daleks gain time travel tech, and encounter the 1st and 2nd Doctors.
The Daleks split into two factions: Pro-Davros, and Pro-Freedom.
Later, the pro-freedom faction somehow meet and agree to work with The 12th Master (actor Roger Delgado) to fight the 3rd Doctor. He betrays them (natch), and their fury turns towards Gallifrey itself. President of the Time Lords Romana II creates the Act of Master Restitution, whereby the Time Lords capture The Master and turn him over to the Daleks. In exchange, the Daleks won't start a war (yet). They execute The Master, and his "remains" are collected by the 7th Doctor (soon to be 8th).
The pro-Davros Daleks find and release Davros from cryo-freeze, encountering the 4th Doctor while doing so. Together with Davros, they are the ones that begin chasing the 1st Doctor, wanting his Time Lord weapons and technology.
The 5th and 6th Doctors are embroiled in a civil war between the Dalek factions.
The Time Lords fire the first shot of the Time War, and use The 4th Doctor to go back in time and try to avert the creation of the Daleks.
Davros leads the combined might of the Dalek Empire against the Time Lords. During which time, Dalek Kaan rips backwards through time and saves Davros.
The Time War happens, and the modern series of Doctor Who begins.
And that's pretty much all I know from memory. And certainly, some of that is probably wrong...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i'm watching Invasion of Time. one problem i have with the current series is that they don't show the inside of the Tardis beyond the control room.I think the control room looks terrific, and they did show once that wardrobe which was neat, but I want to see massive warehouses, workshops, the infirmary, a pool, bedrooms inside the Tardis. It just makes the bigger on the insider element neater. especially with artwork and statues the Doctor has collected. it makes him seem more wonderful and special than a guy travelling alone with a giant room, because he has this whole world with him. So he offers his companions this great world to live in.
Fuck yes! Exactly!! I love Invasion of Time exactly for that reason alone. The BBC is so worried about making everything look so CGI and perfect, that they're afraid they would have to spend money on creating new interior shots of the TARDIS. Ridiculous! I'd love if they did what they did in Invasion...use interior shots of real places!
And yeah, I love the "bath" (olympic-sized swimming pool)...
that actually does clear things up for me. especially using Rememberance (i've seen clips on youtube but not the whole episode)to explain the backward state that Hartnell encountered. I suppose the time travel aspect of the series leads to confusion at times and your brief summary is probably the clearest it'll get. thanks.
i really don't get the Daleks. They're good, but not great. I really see no difference between them and the Cybermen. I like them but don't get the "mania" and popularity. This Master restitution thing was the TV movie where he was executed on Skarro and the Doctor was running errands for them by taking his remains, right?
The Master however is a great and underused villain. Even though Delgado died they shouldn't have scrapped the character for so long, and they shouldn't have had Delgado be his final natural incarnation. I think they should've had a new Master for every one or two new Doctors. He should be a full time lord, not some snake taking over bodies, and he should have some purpose other than opposing the Doctor. Something where they can have him be around, but not so big a threat that he has to die to save the world. Every story I've seen with him has been good (even the tv movie worked). Of all the Doctor's enemies the Master has a personal feel to him.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i'm watching Invasion of Time. one problem i have with the current series is that they don't show the inside of the Tardis beyond the control room.I think the control room looks terrific, and they did show once that wardrobe which was neat, but I want to see massive warehouses, workshops, the infirmary, a pool, bedrooms inside the Tardis. It just makes the bigger on the insider element neater. especially with artwork and statues the Doctor has collected. it makes him seem more wonderful and special than a guy travelling alone with a giant room, because he has this whole world with him. So he offers his companions this great world to live in.
Fuck yes! Exactly!! I love Invasion of Time exactly for that reason alone. The BBC is so worried about making everything look so CGI and perfect, that they're afraid they would have to spend money on creating new interior shots of the TARDIS. Ridiculous! I'd love if they did what they did in Invasion...use interior shots of real places!
And yeah, I love the "bath" (olympic-sized swimming pool)...
I really like the coral look of the modern Tardis and would like that to be extended throughout. I get the feeling that it's Davies. I don't have the hate for him some fans do, I think he's contributed a lot and deserves credit for the show coming back, but he has flaws. He himself admitted to this in one of the confidentials when talking about Moffet. He said Moffet thinks more as a writer than a producer. So Davies thinks how much it'll cost before he writes an idea into a script, but Moffet just writes the good ideas. Davies admitted that this limits him. I have a feeling the Tardis interiors aren't shown for budget reasons, and I have a feeling Moffet being at the helm will be great for these little touches.
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Good. Maybe he can undo the damage that whomod did to my desire to vote for Obama.
i have no interest in trying to talk politics here. it's pointless, there's no discussion, just insults traded back and forth. i expect g-man and rex to be cunts but i was surprised at the level of attacks i took from pjp and bsams last week. it went beyond joking around, it felt like real attacks. and then when i stop posting they conclude that it's because of sarah palin, someone who's a joke chosen for her vagina rather than her credentials. i spent too much time defending the same damn attacks on obama from g-man across all threads while he bitches if i even mention the current president. and when i try to make a point about anything, i'm hounded and attacked instead of getting real responses. it's shit like that that makes the idea of discussion online so silly and pointless to me. married lawyers may find joy in that because they have nothing else in life, but i don't need it. i post about doctor who because i wanted to share my thoughts with other fans. but i'm not going to go round and round anymore.
Ray. I really do like you. I never meant to upset you. We were fooling around. Take a second and look back at all the posts that upset you. None of them were "let's get Ray Adler" posts. If we didn't give a shit about you we would have been happy you left. But we really were upset that you left.....honest.
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that actually does clear things up for me. especially using Rememberance (i've seen clips on youtube but not the whole episode)to explain the backward state that Hartnell encountered. I suppose the time travel aspect of the series leads to confusion at times and your brief summary is probably the clearest it'll get. thanks.
I'm certain there are more detailed sites out there that can do a better, more "researched" job. Honestly, though, due to the real-world fact that no one could have foreseen Doctor Who lasting as long as it has, certain aspects of continuity will never actually gel. It's best not to scrutinize too hard, really.
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i really don't get the Daleks. They're good, but not great. I really see no difference between them and the Cybermen. I like them but don't get the "mania" and popularity.
Yep Couldn't agree more. The Daleks have always been "Meh" to me. Hand on my heart, the only three Dalek stories that I can watch more than once are Genesis of the Daleks, Dalek, and The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. For some reason, it seems to me that their earlier comparison with Nazis is what stimulated the cultural passion for them with UK fans. The rest of the world just sees them as very loud, psychotic, questionable robot-things. I've always liked the (original) Cybermen better, anyway.
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This Master restitution thing was the TV movie where he was executed on Skarro and the Doctor was running errands for them by taking his remains, right?
Yeah, and the title of the act and all comes from the novelization, anyway. So, it's up to you to decide whether it applies or not. It works for me, therefore I use it. That's the beauty about certain aspects of Doctor Who in multiple media (audios, novels, comic strips, etc). It's up to the fan to decide what's canon and what's not.
BTW, if you ever want to get into the 8th Doctor, and can get into audio plays, I suggest Big Finish audios. This series of full-scale audio adventures pretty much defines Paul McGann's Doctor beyond his only TV Movie outing. Also, Doctor's 5, 6, & 7 (plus companions) have their own ongoing audio "unseen" adventures. You should check out the site.
Of course, you still have a lot of the tv episodes to go first, I'd imagine. Lucky bastard...
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Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
The Master however is a great and underused villain. Even though Delgado died they shouldn't have scrapped the character for so long, and they shouldn't have had Delgado be his final natural incarnation. I think they should've had a new Master for every one or two new Doctors. He should be a full time lord, not some snake taking over bodies, and he should have some purpose other than opposing the Doctor. Something where they can have him be around, but not so big a threat that he has to die to save the world. Every story I've seen with him has been good (even the tv movie worked). Of all the Doctor's enemies the Master has a personal feel to him.
The Master has always been his Moriarty. And I agree, I love the Master. It's all the fun of having a character as versatile and fulfilling as The Doctor....but a bit evil.
I wish Derek Jacobi had more screen time. I liked Simm just fine for what he was (the "manic" incarnation). But, Jacobi's had a very Roger Delgado quality to him...
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I've gone through COlin Baker's run and seen most of it. I ended up deleting a lot because of space before I actually realized i enjoyed them. I liked his first year. the 45 minute episodes, his performance, and the lovely Peri made it fun for me. I have tons of Tom Baker left to watch. I think I've gone through a little more than half, not really sure. It takes about a day to download the 8 GB season packs. I'm enjoying his stuff. I'm interested in downloading Mccoy but can't find him on bittorrent. I saw a 12GB torrent last year but couldn't get it because I had an older computer.
Are Davison, Pertwee, Troughton, and Hartnell any good? Davison just looks like such a putz, but I know he's Tennant's favorite and Tennant and some of his performance is based on Davison. And since Tennant is my favorite, that gives me pause.
And let me just add that Peri is hot. She makes Rose look like a pile of dog shit. I know it's sexist and all, but I love her skimpy outfits and that she would let Colin get a few feet ahead so she'd have to run/bounce to catch up.
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The Daleks have always been "Meh" to me. Hand on my heart, the only three Dalek stories that I can watch more than once are Genesis of the Daleks, Dalek, and The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. For some reason, it seems to me that their earlier comparison with Nazis is what stimulated the cultural passion for them with UK fans. The rest of the world just sees them as very loud, psychotic, questionable robot-things. I've always liked the (original) Cybermen better, anyway.
One analysis I read was that Daleks were especially frightening to British kids (remember, it was originally a children's show) because they had no faces. Nothing that could be resolved into a face, an expression, anything. For some reason, that seems to be especially disturbing to many on an instinctual level.
Plus, they were the only race other than the Time Lords who could meet the Doctor on his own terms: they had time travel too. The 12-part story "The Chase" was a huge hit with the original fans because there was literally no place and no time for the Doctor and his companions to go in hopes of escaping their pursuers.
The Daleks have always been "Meh" to me. Hand on my heart, the only three Dalek stories that I can watch more than once are Genesis of the Daleks, Dalek, and The Stolen Earth/Journey's End. For some reason, it seems to me that their earlier comparison with Nazis is what stimulated the cultural passion for them with UK fans. The rest of the world just sees them as very loud, psychotic, questionable robot-things. I've always liked the (original) Cybermen better, anyway.
One analysis I read was that Daleks were especially frightening to British kids (remember, it was originally a children's show) because they had no faces. Nothing that could be resolved into a face, an expression, anything. For some reason, that seems to be especially disturbing to many on an instinctual level.
I can understand that. But, coming from a US mindset, they never bothered me. Their voices, though, were threatening to the point of grinding my nerves. The shouting everything has at least been marginalized and perfected by Nick Briggs in the current series.
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Plus, they were the only race other than the Time Lords who could meet the Doctor on his own terms: they had time travel too. The 12-part story "The Chase" was a huge hit with the original fans because there was literally no place and no time for the Doctor and his companions to go in hopes of escaping their pursuers.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get all that. I've seen parts of The Chase. I've been watching Doctor Who for thirty-years. However, the three I listed are the only Dalek stories I sincerely enjoyed beyond The Doctor himself...
http://nzdwfc.tetrap.com/archive/tsv43/onediscussion.html interesting read. roundtable talk in 1995 with writers discussing the classic series. Steven Moffet is one of the writers and his views on the series are interesting now that he's taking over.
Don't know if this is old news but the Sun(a thick as shit) newspaper today, is reporting that McCann will be shown in flashback sequences for one of the Dr Who specials next year!
The story will be dealing with the Time War and McCann will be seen getting tortured and having his head shaved!
i'm not surprised the Time War story will be told. Davies seems like the type who at least likes to wrap up his own stories and the time war is the big one he's referenced but never really shown. it'll be good to see mcgann and get some closure, i really hope they can get eccleston for at least a cameo to show the regeneration. it just doesn't sit right that we have hartnell through mcgann in clear regenerations but a gap between 8 and 9.
anyone read the link i posted? moffet's thoughts on the series are interesting, especially since they were given way before he was on the show or up for the head writer post, so there's a brutal honesty in his opinions.
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i'm not surprised the Time War story will be told. Davies seems like the type who at least likes to wrap up his own stories and the time war is the big one he's referenced but never really shown. it'll be good to see mcgann and get some closure, i really hope they can get eccleston for at least a cameo to show the regeneration. it just doesn't sit right that we have hartnell through mcgann in clear regenerations but a gap between 8 and 9.
While I agree I would love to see The Time War, I'd love to see it as a movie rather than a television episode. And I totally want to see the regeneration. However, I doubt they're going to show that, if only because they wouldn't be able to get Eccles back for the cameo.
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anyone read the link i posted? moffet's thoughts on the series are interesting, especially since they were given way before he was on the show or up for the head writer post, so there's a brutal honesty in his opinions.
I had already read this awhile back. And while I agree with most of what Moffat says, I also think he was being too much of an elitist to be able to judge the series so harshly. Not to mention, I first saw this when someone brought this up over at the OG Boards where Moffat is/was known to post as himself. He admitted to being embarrassed by the twelve-year-old article, and explained that "age mellows". So, take that for what you will. Meanwhile, his obvious love of Davison is apparent with Time Crash.
I think Moffat's views in that article where definitely clouded by his love for Davidson. Yeah, a lot of those episodes have crap writing, acting, and FX; but can he really say that Davidson was the only good actor out of the bunch noted by how he kept acting after the show. Troughton performed Shakespeare with Sir Laurence Olivier. Hartnell was a well established actor before getting the role and didn't continue acting due to his health. Pertwee kept acting up until just before his death in 1996.
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watching a lot of Tom Baker episodes, and Colin Baker episodes. Trial of a Time Lord is shit but his first year (with the 45 minute episodes and the lovely Peri) are pretty good. Really enjoyed Mark of the Rani, the Cyberman story, and the Two Doctors. Really loving Tom Baker stories. City of Death is just awesome. Funny and yet with a very clever premise. Nice little John Cleese cameo. Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
Creature From the Pit is one of my favorites. The old woman servant of the Queen or whatever was in the first episodes of Doctor Who ever.
Also if you can check out The Androids of Tara. It's excellent.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
watching a lot of Tom Baker episodes, and Colin Baker episodes. Trial of a Time Lord is shit but his first year (with the 45 minute episodes and the lovely Peri) are pretty good. Really enjoyed Mark of the Rani, the Cyberman story, and the Two Doctors. Really loving Tom Baker stories. City of Death is just awesome. Funny and yet with a very clever premise. Nice little John Cleese cameo. Enjoyed the young hot Sarah Jane Smith,Leela is pretty good, and love Romana II. Destiny of the Daleks, Face of Evil, Talons of Wang Chieng, Creature in the pit stood out.
Creature From the Pit is one of my favorites. The old woman servant of the Queen or whatever was in the first episodes of Doctor Who ever.
Also if you can check out The Androids of Tara. It's excellent.
Creature from the Pit was my first Who!
The Tom Baker episodes were excellent! Saw most of them in...Texas, ( of all places)..in the 80's!
HEY you GNCs hear that McGann is back next season shaved head like our own beloved ROY! If you have posted already dont link I cant be arsed to checked although I love my Pro and Doc I cant search the whole boards as I used to
Paul McGann, the 8th incarnation of The Doctor. The one before Christopher Eccleston, and the incarnation that supposedly fought in The Time War...
I recently made the very bad decision to watch the Dr. Who movie. Is there any way we can petition the Beeb to have it reconned? It's fucking atrocious, and if retconned we at least have another Dr incarnation.
It certainly wasn't written by people who understood Doctor Who.
Agree with Cunty a little. Americans should limit themselves to putting up backing for Doctor Who, as far as involvement. Otherwise, let the Brits do their thing.
The TV Movie for all of its cheese and fail has at least two very strong things going for it:
1) The design of the console room. Fuck-ing beautiful! The best console room design ever seen in any incarnation of Who, imo.
2) Paul McGann/8th Doctor. He was solid as a rock from his first appearance. The Lord Byron of incarnations. The romantic action hero. He absolutely deserves to get more screentime.
Eric Roberts was horrid. But, then again, he was only a few steps from Anthoney Ainley's twisting-mustache panto incarnation. So, I can live with it (if I have to). And, as of this last finale story, the whole 'half-human' thing has been decidedly swept under the rug. So, I'm good there.
For me, the only truly bad thing about 'The Enemy Within' is the amount of potential it wasted by having a script penned, by what must have been, a large team of drunken otters. Because, it made noooooooo fucking sense whatsoever.
And I'm still biding my time for the Chang Lee/Mickey Smith team-up episode...
Who is, at its very essence, British and should remain as so. By the same token, us Brits should avoid trying to make stuff thats essentially American.
I think the whole idea of Hot Fuzz was basically saying that. Pegg maybe a fan of big cop buddy movies, but he knows there is no way we could make one over here without it looking absurd.
Lets face it, if the US networks decided to do a US version of Who, it would end up like Star Trek or something!
I don't know if I'd say it being 'American' was all that was wrong with it. It was written by a Brit, directed by a Brit, and had Brits as producers. Seems more like a simple lack of a qualified creative team all around.
I don't know if I'd say it being 'American' was all that was wrong with it. It was written by a Brit, directed by a Brit, and had Brits as producers. Seems more like a simple lack of a qualified creative team all around.
BUT played for a an American audience which means all those had NO say in the final script it was a HOLLYWOOD crapfest
Yeah I've watched that one before. Man, Eccleston must not have much of a sense of humor, or he just takes himself and his craft far too seriously. He never really seems relaxed or happy...
He was, easily, the best Doctor since Tom Baker. Tennant tries too hard. There's no depth or gravitas to his performance. Yes, he's fun. Yes, he's 'zany'. But, he comes off as an actor playing The Doctor, rather than how Chris was The Doctor. Just my opinion...
He was, easily, the best Doctor since Tom Baker. Tennant tries too hard. There's no depth or gravitas to his performance. Yes, he's fun. Yes, he's 'zany'. But, he comes off as an actor playing The Doctor, rather than how Chris was The Doctor. Just my opinion...
While I dont mind Tennant Eccleston gave a new feel to the Doctor that I LOVED a COMMON MAN being the universe's savior!
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I watched the pilot, and about two episodes after that. I saw parts of the season one finale, because I wanted to see how it fit into Jack's segue back to Who's third season. I thought, overall, Season One was dreary, self-important crap that tried too hard to be "gritty & adult". It ended up losing any charm or fun.
However, I got a bootleg of season two, and am halfway through it. It's fantastic. It's now light enough to be fun, but still dark enough to be mature. The actors and characters are smoother, better interaction and stories, and concepts and cast actually evolve.
It's not as good as Doctor Who (for me), but it's entertaining...
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I agree... Dr.Who is better, but Torchwood is a bit more edgy.. charaters die (spoilers),.. and charaters "snog"... I don't approve of a lot of the snogging,.. but the plots/story lines are great! ( but.. Dr.Who is better..)
best quality i could find. apparently the christmas special is called "the next doctor" and will feature a future incarnation of the Doctor. which is kind of interesting since we've always seen Doctor team ups from the perspective of the later Doctor.
I read in LITG that the guy who played the Marquis de Carabas in Gaiman's Neverwhere series is gonna be the next Doctor. Gaiman admitted in his blog that he created de Carabas as his own version of the Doctor, since he didn't think he'd ever get to write the series.
Weird. It hasn't been announced whether Tennant (current Doc) is even leaving the series yet. I highly doubt anyone knows who the next Doctor will be. Got a link for this?
My last couple of Doctor Who leaks were fairly solid — Neil Gaiman to write 2010 “Doctor Who” and Tom Baker returning to the series proper in an unnamed role. Both have been bubbling under ever since. The next one is not so tied down. It’s still rather up in the air. But it’s quite a possibility.
The sixth series of “Doctor Who” (2011) will star Paterson Joseph as The Doctor.
Previously playing Roderick in the “Doctor Who” episodes “Bad Wolf”/”Parting Of Ways,” Joseph is known for fine upstanding and terribly-well-spoken-dontcha-know roles as Johnson in “Peep Show,” the Marquis De Carabas in “Neverwhere,” Space Marshall Clarke in “Hyperdrive,” Lyndon in “Green Wing”…
…and more importantly Benjamin in “Jekyll.” Written and produced by upcoming “Doctor” Who showrunner, Steven Moffat.
If true, it’s a great call on Moffat’s part. A damn fine call. Paterson has a very British Authority approach to many of his characters, comparable with Jon Pertwee. It’s not a traditional choice, but then neither was Christopher Eccleston. And, like I say, it’s bloody brilliant.
This rumour is obviously an amber light story for now, but it could well change colour in the months to come.
And, as it appears, so could the Doctor.
It's marked amber, which means the rumor isn't confirmed.
Ah, gotcha! I like Patterson. I thought he rocked in Jekyll. But, I'm not going to believe this until it happens.
And I have neither heard nor read any official confirmation about Gaiman's involvement in Who, nor Tom Baker's return. So, I don't see how either rumor could be considered "solid"...
the Tardis would probably get pulled over more with a black Doctor. he also might be asked to pay first at any intergalactic dennys. also g-man will call him a muslim.
Yeah, I don't mind giving Tennant a year out from under the cheese-factory that was RTD. But, I think he needs to wrap it up soon, if he plans to go out "on top". I'm also ready for a new, hopefully less-manic, Doctor. I miss Eccles. He had so much more potential in the role...
Yeah, I would have liked to see more Eccleston, the first half of his series particularly he was excellent! I knew he was only ever a one series guy tho. he was using it as a stepping stone to, um, a couple of episodes of Heroes, some shit films and... um...
Yeah, I know you're a Tennant fan. I don't know. I guess the reason I like Eccles so much is because he was so utterly far from what I pictures in the role of The Doctor. The thing is, it worked (at least for me). He was the incarnation racked with survivor's guilt, sorrow, and a burning intensity. It was because of Eccles's ability to bring the intensity across that I actually understood when someone feared the Doctor in this form. Eccles proved for me that you can do a "dark" Doctor, and make it soar.
I love Tennant fine, as I would any and every incarnation of the character. However, he just lacks the ability to convince me of any heavy emotion. While Eccleston was The Doctor, Tennant comes off to me as an actor playing The Doctor. But, that's just me. There's a bazillion Who fans out there that believe Tennant is the second-coming of Tom Baker. And they could be right. But, not for me...
Pro, you do realise Tennant is an actor playing the part of The Doctor, and the Doctor isnt real, yeah?
Eccleston, for my money, didnt act, just like he rarely acts. He just tends to go in and be Eccleston in every role he does, with very little variety. Just look at his role in Heroes, its almost a carbon copy of his version of The Doctor.
Tennant though, the simple fact that he can overcome a Scottish accent (something Eccleston has never been able to do with his Northern accent), shows to me, that Tennant puts in more effort.
and i say that without being a homophobe as it was GAY
a clone doctor goes back with rose
Sarah's silly kid show is crossovered
TORCHWOODs touching all WHO taboos also crossing over
WHAT WAS THE POINT?!!?!?!?!?!?
A SMEGGING RED DWARF CROSSOVER WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE ONLY BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVEBEEN FUN!!!!!!!!!
the last season finale was so awfully contrivived that ANYONE who didnt like Eccleston should be shot....as his dismissal was likewise contrived for Tennants arrival...not that I dont like Tennant but feel that even more than Colin Bake and Sylvester McCoy he was given a raw deal and deserved a MUCH longer trial as MY doctor....
Prior the return of Doctor Who McCoy was my favorite.......Eccelston will reign forever as my favorite as he was not given his due
Pro, you do realise Tennant is an actor playing the part of The Doctor, and the Doctor isnt real, yeah?
*shock-and-sadness* :0
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Eccleston, for my money, didnt act, just like he rarely acts. He just tends to go in and be Eccleston in every role he does, with very little variety. Just look at his role in Heroes, its almost a carbon copy of his version of The Doctor.
I didn't see any of Number 9 in Claude, personally. Something that actually disappointed me, as I love to see him be The Doctor. However, understand I had never even heard of Eccleston before he was cast as the Ninth Doctor. Had to Google him to see what he even looked like. I wasn't expecting much, but I'm happy that I got so much more from him.
For those that have watched Eccles in other roles, I'm sure there's a different perspective. But, the anonymity of him was perfect (for me) to play The Doctor.
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Tennant though, the simple fact that he can overcome a Scottish accent (something Eccleston has never been able to do with his Northern accent), shows to me, that Tennant puts in more effort.
Nah, I don't agree. Just because Eccles likes to play roles in his native accent doesn't show me anything except that he has national pride. I can respect that, actually. I wish Tennant had played it with is natural accent, just as Piper's weird "f instead of t" pronunciations throw me off.
Understand, Tennant is a good Doctor. One of the best in the history of the show. But, I just felt more from Eccleston. He brought real, sincere emotion to the role. Tennant just screams a lot, and then all of a sudden he goes 'emo-face' and that's supposed to express sadness. I just don't buy it (although he did a fine job as the human John Smith in Human Nature/Family of Blood).
Originally Posted By: Steve T
interesting, to me Tennant disapears intot he role more than Ecclestone, he's the one I would say I could see acting quite often.
I understand that point, just as I understand Cunty's perspective. I've got a few friends who feel the same way (that Eccles is playing The Doctor, and Tennant is The Doctor). I guess for me, the tortured, leather-clad, hellbent-for-danger, adrenaline-junkie that was the 9th Doctor was the first "new" incarnation of the character I had seen since Peter Davison. He was something completely original. Whereas, Tennant is zany, and quick-witted, and funny, and frantic, and manic, and all those things that make the 10th Doctor shine. But...I've seen him before. He's playing an amalgamation of previous Doctors. Eccles seemed to harness just himself in the role, much like Tom Baker did back in the day. And that's one of those comparisons I've always found fault with, when fans say Tennant is "the next Tom Baker". Nonsense. If anyone is truly the heir-apparent to the scarf-donned deity of the 4th Doctor, it's Christopher Eccleston.
But, that's all just my opinion...
Originally Posted By: Franta
All right then
Ive had enough beers
and enough free time
to say
the last season finale
was very GAY
and i say that without being a homophobe as it was GAY
a clone doctor goes back with rose
Sarah's silly kid show is crossovered
TORCHWOODs touching all WHO taboos also crossing over
WHAT WAS THE POINT?!!?!?!?!?!?
A SMEGGING RED DWARF CROSSOVER WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE ONLY BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVEBEEN FUN!!!!!!!!!
See, I didn't really mind the finale that much. I agree, there was some serious bad writing in there. Some very contrived scenes, and some forced characterization. RTD threw too much in at once and couldn't juggle the plot (per usual).
I hated the clone Doctor. But, from what I've read, RTD wrote that bit with Eccleston's 9th Doctor in mind. And if you watch it from that perspective, I can see where Tennant was channeling his inner Eccles for that bit.
But, it was fucking silly, overall.
The Davros stuff was fucking a-w-e-s-o-m-e. Best Davros ever. Seriously.
The crossovers were hit-or-miss. Torchwood was fine, Sarah-Jane herself was fine. But, like you say, the kid was too much, and I didn't need to see Martha's mother again. Glad they included Harriet Jones, Jackie, and Mickey, as well.
But, enough with Rose. I'm fucking sick of her and I hope we never see her again.
What pissed me off the most was the faux-regeneration crap. I don't like the idea of messing around with that stuff. It opens up too many questions and problems. If he's going to regenerate, it should be a special occasion with the actor leaving, NOT just for a cliffhanger. That's the kind of RTD stuff that grates me.
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the last season finale was so awfully contrivived that ANYONE who didnt like Eccleston should be shot....as his dismissal was likewise contrived for Tennants arrival...not that I dont like Tennant but feel that even more than Colin Bake and Sylvester McCoy he was given a raw deal and deserved a MUCH longer trial as MY doctor....
Prior the return of Doctor Who McCoy was my favorite.......Eccelston will reign forever as my favorite as he was not given his due
I would agree, except from what I understand it was Eccles decision to leave the show. I think he had certain ideas about working with RTD after Second Coming, and when he found out about the farting, and space pigs, and the like, he realized that Davies wasn't going to try to include any real substance in the show and decided to move on. The BBC screwed him over, though, when they broke their word and started making excuses to the press about why he was leaving (fear of typecasting, fatigue, etc). All of it was nonsense and lies, so he gave them the finger and has probably destroyed any hopes of ever getting him back into the role for an anniversary special. So, if you want to be pissed at the BBC about anything with Eccles, THAT would be the reason...
I just dont think Eccleston had any intention of doing more than one series, right from the off. I'd also hazard a guess that he had to be persuaded to play The Doctor in the first place, as he likes to be seen as a "serious" actor. (although rumour has it he emailed Davis to be put on the list)
He's much the same as Chris Barrie from Red Dwarf IMO, in so far that he thought he was big enough to just walk away from the show, and jump into much bigger roles. In fact, he has already admitted in interviews, that he was never a fan of Doctor Who, which once again sugests, he never really had any respect for the role, and just wanted something that might be able to further his career.
Unlike Barrie, he couldnt come crawling back when he ended up no better off than when he started.
As for the accent thing, I dont think its national pride, I think its just his inability to adapt to any non-northern roles. I dont hate Eccleston, I just think some people put him on too much of a pedestal for his so called "acting" abilities!
I just dont think Eccleston had any intention of doing more than one series, right from the off. I'd also hazard a guess that he had to be persuaded to play The Doctor in the first place, as he likes to be seen as a "serious" actor. (although rumour has it he emailed Davis to be put on the list)
According to the Confidential specials they show after each episode, RTD said that he was shocked when Eccleston (of all people) emailed him asking to be considered for the role. Now, how much that is media spin, I don't know.
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He's much the same as Chris Barrie from Red Dwarf IMO, in so far that he thought he was big enough to just walk away from the show, and jump into much bigger roles. In fact, he has already admitted in interviews, that he was never a fan of Doctor Who, which once again sugests, he never really had any respect for the role, and just wanted something that might be able to further his career.
Unlike Barrie, he couldnt come crawling back when he ended up no better off than when he started.
I don't know. You're probably right. I do know that one of the reasons he stated he wanted to do it because he was tired of people thinking of him as a "miserable cunt". But, it's not like he has stopped doing movies and stuff, before and after Who. He was the "Dark Rider" character in that Harry Potter-wannabe movie last year, and he's currently filming as Destro for GIJOE I believe. So, I guess it could be seen, either way.
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As for the accent thing, I dont think its national pride, I think its just his inability to adapt to any non-northern roles.
You're probably right. I've never heard him even try to do something different in any other role, so I don't know. He probably can't.
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I dont hate Eccleston, I just think some people put him on too much of a pedestal for his so called "acting" abilities!
I'm the same with Tennant.
As I stated before, I think Chris can bring across intensity and gravitasp in any role. I think that is what he does best, you know? Other than that, I've never studied him enough to know whether he deserves an oscar or anything...
I dont hate Eccleston, I just think some people put him on too much of a pedestal for his so called "acting" abilities!
I'm the same with Tennant.
As I stated before, I think Chris can bring across intensity and gravitasp in any role. I think that is what he does best, you know? Other than that, I've never studied him enough to know whether he deserves an oscar or anything...
But most people dont put Tennant on a pedestal for his acting abilities, they enjoy him because he is more lighthearted and zany, thus a more approachable character. This also adds more of a "shock" factor (for want of a better word) when he does something dark. With Eccleston it never came as a surprise when he was more dark and moody!
The other thing with Tennant is that he appeals more to kids, and at the end of the day, thats the core audience that Who was designed for!
But most people dont put Tennant on a pedestal for his acting abilities, they enjoy him because he is more lighthearted and zany, thus a more approachable character.
Perhaps. But, many of the ones I'm speaking of think he's the best actor to take the reigns of the character.
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This also adds more of a "shock" factor (for want of a better word) when he does something dark. With Eccleston it never came as a surprise when he was more dark and moody!
Difference is, I actually bought it when Eccleston did it. He convinced me of the dark-n-moody (because he's a better actor), whereas Tennant "acts" or "shows me" the dark-n-moody...
From the BBC Tennant is off after the specials, no real surprise there! Aint it Cool has the usual unoriginal ideas about the next doctor in talk back, though I did like the McCain/Palin if they lose the election suggestion. I suspect she may Take the Doctor role and him the assistant...
I, as always, want them to go with someone without a massive profile who is very different from the last, if not all the previous Doctors. And I despair for all the fuckwits who suggest "bring Tom Baker back"
Yeah, I read this last night. I think he did a great job as Doc #10, and like all the others before him, I look forward to letting him go and seeing what Doc #11 will offer us. I don't expect them to cast anyone older, certainly. But, I hope they can get away from the "zany" and "manic" aspects for a new incarnation.
Meanwhile, anyone screaming "Bring Back Baker" has no real grasp on reality...
The new show runner has said previously that he thinks you need a reasonably young doctor due to the style and pace of the show, but that could just be a misdirection. I'd love to see an older doctor.
Thanks Pro! But no one knew who Baker was before he played the Doctor, he hadn't had much of a profile (he was working on a building site when he got offered the part) so he was just seen as the doctor. Izzard will seem like Izzard.
i think they should go with ricky gervais. seriously. his bumbling nervous style with the excessive commenting on events going on around him has a certain hartnell/troughton quality too it. it might be good to have a Doctor in his 40's who doesn't have sex appeal but is funny to be different than the romantic Doctors since Mcgann.
Hmmmm.......I wouldn't be against it. But, since he's already been in the show before (not a real obstacle, of course, given the 6th Doctor pre-appeared as someone else), and since he's just become Scotty for the new Star Trek, I can't see him taking it on...
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
i think they should go with ricky gervais. seriously. his bumbling nervous style with the excessive commenting on events going on around him has a certain hartnell/troughton quality too it. it might be good to have a Doctor in his 40's who doesn't have sex appeal but is funny to be different than the romantic Doctors since Mcgann.
In one of his shows "Extras" Ricky did a bit where he was dressed up as some giant turd villian who fought the 10th doctor.
Just a heads up, a new shipment of classic doctor who figures are hitting the online stores now. These had been previously available for a milisecond about a month ago. I passed on them because I didn't want to preorder a case & it paid off waiting to just get the ones I wanted at a much cheaper price.
Nice! Which stores do you use? And don't say "Forbidden Planet", cause they suck (from experience). I'm not going to buy every figure in this series (at least, not right now). I have acquired the 4th, 5th (both, the normal and 'Timecrash'/with celery set), 6th, 9th (both, normal and 'Father's Day'/green shirt variant), and the 'Timecrash' blue suit 10th Doctor, and a Sarah-Jane/K9 set. But, I would like the K-1 Robot build-a-figure someday...
Impulse creations.com had them the cheapest with the cheapest shipping. I've ordered from them before because they also seem to get things before other stores do. Whona.com is another good one with really fast delivery & they tend to be cheaper than other onlines. JRS toys is also good price wise. Those are my main 3 but I've also ordered from Big Bad Toys. They're usually spendier but sometimes they're the only ones not sold out.
BTW I never thought I would be ordering things like a Colin Baker Doctor or a Sea Devil but that robot BAF put me into collector mentallity. Hope they do some companions in future waves.
Bigbadtoys is a good store but usually priced a little higher than others for Doctor Who stuff but as I said sometimes the other places are sold out. I didn't get the Time crash set but I remember they had that availlable at aslightly higher price for a day or two while other places sold out of it right away.
Thanks for the site tips! I've been looking for a dependable online Who dealer.
BTW, here's the release statement for Wave 2...
* 7th Doctor Sylvester McCoy Seventh Doctor (1987-1996) Sylvester McCoy without Hat as seen in Ghost Light (1989) * 8th Doctor * Ice Warrior First appeared in The Ice Warriors (1967) as heavily armoured reptiles with claw hands * Morbius Monster With 'goldfish bowl' head and giant crab claw as seen in The Brain of Morbius (1976) alongside Fourth Doctor Tom Baker and companion Sarah Jane Smith * Mummy with Jar The Mummy robot will include an urn accessory. As seen in Pyramids of Mars (1975) with Tom Baker and Sarah Jane Smith * Tenth Planet Cyberman 10th Planet Cyberman finished in semi-transparent plastic. As seen in the four part serial The Tenth Planet (1966), featuring the First Doctor William Hartnell. In the first ever appearance of The Cybermen they land at the Antarctic on a mission to relocate all humans to the planet Mondas for transformation into Cybermen * Voc Robot V9 Voc Robot in green * 'Build A Figure' - Krynoid As seen in the Tom Baker six parter The Seeds of Doom. Collect all the figures in the wave to assemble an extra figure, just like the K-1 Robot in Wave 1 figure packs
Yeah, I'm not really getting excited for that one. First, if the Cybermen were coming back, I'd want to see the originals, not the Cybus versions. Second, I've constantly heard fans say "David Morrisey should be the next Doctor!" for years. Now that I've seen the actor in action, I am not impressed. And finally, it's RTD, it's Christmas, and it's stunt-casting. Those three things never seem to work out for him (see: Voyage of the Damned)...
Yeah, I'm not really getting excited for that one. First, if the Cybermen were coming back, I'd want to see the originals, not the Cybus versions. Second, I've constantly heard fans say "David Morrisey should be the next Doctor!" for years. Now that I've seen the actor in action, I am not impressed. And finally, it's RTD, it's Christmas, and it's stunt-casting. Those three things never seem to work out for him (see: Voyage of the Damned)...
i don't get why its cybus cybermen and not the one from the regular universe. it's not like they were wiped out or anything like the time lords/daleks.
I just dont think Eccleston had any intention of doing more than one series, right from the off. I'd also hazard a guess that he had to be persuaded to play The Doctor in the first place, as he likes to be seen as a "serious" actor. (although rumour has it he emailed Davis to be put on the list)
He's much the same as Chris Barrie from Red Dwarf IMO, in so far that he thought he was big enough to just walk away from the show, and jump into much bigger roles. In fact, he has already admitted in interviews, that he was never a fan of Doctor Who, which once again sugests, he never really had any respect for the role, and just wanted something that might be able to further his career.
Unlike Barrie, he couldnt come crawling back when he ended up no better off than when he started.
As for the accent thing, I dont think its national pride, I think its just his inability to adapt to any non-northern roles. I dont hate Eccleston, I just think some people put him on too much of a pedestal for his so called "acting" abilities!
Oddly enough in the US it was screamed that he was "tossed off' But all evidence I have seen since agrees with this G'Nort lover
That said to ME Eccleston is the TOM BAKER to Tennant's PETER DAVISON you just can't accept second best after a FANTASTIC DOCTOR....but God bless Ecleston if he truly only wanted ONE season because HE KICKED ARSE!
Apparently Matt Smith has been announced as the 11th Doctor when Tennant leaves.
I didn't really like the Christmas episode. I think Davies had a great run up until Last of the Time Lords. Nearly everything after that (save the Moffett Library story and Midnight) have been so-so. I really enjoyed the Next Doctor up until they revealed he wasn't actually a future Doctor. It was such a cop-out and a terrible tease. I thought it was brilliant when it seemed Tennant would have a traumatic regeneration leaving a flawed Doctor. I was hoping they'd have the 11th Doctor say that in his confused state he went back in time a few months to prevent the terrible regeneration, then at the end he saves Tennant and ceases to exist. That would've been a good way to go, but to have him just be some guy was terribly lame. And the cheesy applause scene made me feel both angry and ill. The only thing I liked was that they showed all 10 Doctors on the infostamp, but that was about a minute out of an hour. It really could've been epic if someone with balls had been running the show. Davies oerstayed his welcome and I'll be looking forward to Moffett taking over.
You honestly thought he was a future doctor? I have to say that right from the moment they met, I knew he was a fake of some sort! I thought the writing on this episode showed that up straight away. There was very little said or done that would indicate he was genuine, in my opinion!
You honestly thought he was a future doctor? I have to say that right from the moment they met, I knew he was a fake of some sort! I thought the writing on this episode showed that up straight away. There was very little said or done that would indicate he was genuine, in my opinion!
I thought that for him not to be a Doctor would've been such a cop-out that I didn't think Davies would be that big of an asshole. So as I watched it I believed that there was a traumatic regeneration because that was the only non-idiotic way to go. That would've been a good story and there is precedent with the Valeyard to have a possible future Doctor appear. The way they handled it was just tacky.
Maybe not being the fan that you guys are, made it easier for me to spot, and not think it was such a shitty cop out. I actually thought the pay off was set up perfectly, as all the clues were there from the begining.
The only things that were a surprise were the son and wife.
I even worked out who he was, as soon as he said the body was never found!
You honestly thought he was a future doctor? I have to say that right from the moment they met, I knew he was a fake of some sort! I thought the writing on this episode showed that up straight away. There was very little said or done that would indicate he was genuine, in my opinion!
Everything they did with the guy clued me in to him not being the Doctor, though the Confidential had Davies trying to say that the reveal was supposed to be a big surprise to the fans. The second they introduced the infostamps, I knew how it was all going to play out. I liked the idea of the Cyber-King. I liked that it wasn't too over the top and didn't uses Davies's trademark the Doctor=God ending. But I do get tired of Davies banishing a foe only to have them 'fall through a hole in time and space' just to bring them back. He's doing to the Cybermen what he's done to the Daleks. I had no real problem with the alternate dimension Cybermen, but now it's time to bring back the proper metal men from Mondos. All in all, it was a decent regular episode of Who. It was nowhere near as good as a special should be.
Maybe not being the fan that you guys are, made it easier for me to spot, and not think it was such a shitty cop out. I actually thought the pay off was set up perfectly, as all the clues were there from the begining.
The only things that were a surprise were the son and wife.
I even worked out who he was, as soon as he said the body was never found!
No. I think Ray just got caught up in his own ideal story for the special rather than watch it. I knew the guy wasn't the Doctor and felt that the story explaining it was actually decent.
Doctor Who? After months of febrile speculation the BBC tonight revealed the identity of the 11th Doctor. Not a prominent black actor, nor a woman, nor any of the high-profile names touted to play the iconic Time Lord.
Instead, the honour of wielding the sonic screwdriver and battling Daleks and Zygons has fallen to relative unknown Matt Smith – at 26 he is the youngest Doctor in the 45 years since the Tardis first landed at the BBC.
Smith, from Northampton, whose TV debut was in the 2006 adaptation of Philip Pullman's The Ruby in the Smoke, which also starred former Doctor Who companion Billie Piper, said he was so excited at landing the coveted role he paced his room for three days smiling to himself. "I'm flabbergasted. I haven't slept, really, to be honest," he said.
His unveiling as the next extraterrestrial scientist came during Doctor Who Confidential – The Eleventh Doctor, broadcast on BBC1 at the same time as being simultaneously cast on giant screens in city centres all over Britain.
Smith will replace David Tennant, 37, who will leave after filming four specials, and take over the role in October 2010.
Doctor Who executive producer Steven Moffat said he knew he had found his Doctor at the start of auditions. "The way he said the lines, the way he looked, his hair. Everything was spot on," he said, praising Smith's dynamism and swagger.
Whovians, too, were impressed. "We think it is a great choice to have someone so young. David Tennant was the most energetic Doctor ever, and you need somebody with youth and energy to take that forward," said Sebastian Brook, editor of the drwho-online fan website.
Punters had tipped Paterson Joseph, one of the stars of the recent Survivors sci-fi series, and Golden Globe winner Chiwetel Ejiofor as contenders for the first black Doctor, while Catherine Tate and Catherine Zeta Jones had been suggested as female doctors.
But Matthew Sweet, cultural commentator and broadcaster, said: "The idea of a black or woman Doctor is something we only seem to be able to enjoy as a tease. When Tom Baker left, for example, there was speculation about Joanna Lumley taking over. There is a little part of me that's disappointed the Obama effect hasn't reached Gallifrey yet."
Sweet, a lifelong Doctor Who fan, added: "This was one of the best kept secrets. Matt Smith has got a fascinating face. It's long and bony, with a commanding jaw. He looks like someone who could have been in Duran Duran. He has a quality of the old man trapped in the young man's body.
"I suspect he might be a more sensual character than David Tennant, who had no kind of dangerous sexuality about him. There's something Byronic about Matt Smith – he's got the lips for it."
Sophie Aldred, who played companion Ace opposite Sylvester McCoy's Doctor, said: "I'm delighted. I'm so pleased that they haven't chosen a big name but gone with someone who's obviously a good actor but not well known to the public at large.
"He's got a very interesting face and a fantastic presence. It's going to be a difficult job to follow David Tennant, but I think he'll be a safe pair of hands."
Smith, a former headboy, took up acting after hopes of a professional football career were dashed by a back injury. He appeared in Alan Bennett's play The History Boys at the National Theatre in London, and in Swimming with Sharks in the West End. Two of the productions in which he featured – That Face and On the Shore of the Wide World – won Laurence Olivier Awards.
In 2007, he had a leading role in BBC2's political drama Party Animals, in which he played a parliamentary researcher.
Seemingly unphased by landing the Holy Grail of TV roles, or the challenge of playing a 903-year-old, Smith said: "I'm just so excited about the journey that is in front of me."
Piers Wenger, head of drama at BBC Wales, said: "With two hearts, a ferocious mind and over 900 years of experience behind him, it's not every 26-year-old actor who can take on the role like the Doctor but within moments of meeting Matt he showed the skill and imagination needed to create a Doctor all of his own."
Tennant, who announced he was leaving last year, said: "As I begin the end of my connection to all of this, I do feel a bit of jealousy of Matt who's just about to start and has got all of this ahead of him, and it's a very exciting journey to go on."
26 seems really young. I just hope this is part of some plan from Moffett towards the type of stories he wants to tell and not some push by the BBC for a sexy young guy. I'm sorry to see Tennant go but am glad Moffett is taking over, Davies ran out of creativity and is just running on fumes (fumes from a crap factory).
when i watch a special episode called "The Next Doctor" on a show with a history of having multi-Doctor episodes I expect a certain level of honesty. This is like the non-regeneration last season where Davies is basically being a cunt to get ratings.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
when i watch a special episode called "The Next Doctor" on a show with a history of having multi-Doctor episodes I expect a certain level of honesty. This is like the non-regeneration last season where Davies is basically being a cunt to get ratings.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
when i watch a special episode called "The Next Doctor" on a show with a history of having multi-Doctor episodes I expect a certain level of honesty. This is like the non-regeneration last season where Davies is basically being a cunt to get ratings.
I liked this last Christmas episode better than last years darker one. Rosita was fiesty & fun. The Cyber King was very good. There seemed to be some back story there that was left out though. Despite the tease about the Next Doctor it did all the things you want in a Christmas episode and for once the doctor actually does have dinner at the end of the adventure.
I really didn't miss the petty and constant shitting on each other that goes on here. I really just wanted to talk about Doctor Who. Being away from the boards for so long really highlights how obnoxious this place is.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
I really didn't miss the petty and constant shitting on each other that goes on here. I really just wanted to talk about Doctor Who. Being away from the boards for so long really highlights how obnoxious this place is.
You say something stupid, we're gonna make fun of you. If you don't like it don't post here at all.
A Wiltshire couple into Doctor Who and gardening combined their hobbies by converting a Tardis into an allotment shed.
Philippa Morgan and Declan McSweeney needed a new shed and decided to do "something different" after seeing a replica of the time machine up for auction.
Now the blue police box is the envy of other allotment owners in Devizes - and the pair claim it really does seem bigger inside.
Their winning £202 bid was the second highest for the 10ft tall Tardis, which was offered by Wiltshire Fencing and Landscaping to raise money for the county's Air Ambulance appeal. The highest bidder, who put up £250, pulled out.
The plywood Tardis was made for a Doctor Who-themed float at Devizes and Pewsey carnivals last year, reports the Daily Telegraph.
Now the impressive prop has a second life at the Quakers Walk allotments, keeping tools safe from the elements.
Ms Morgan, a project manager at Wiltshire County Council, told the Wiltshire Gazette: "We needed a shed for our allotment and we thought the Tardis would be something a bit different. We were thrilled to bits to get it.
"It's become a talking point, people ask us how the Tardis is and it's fun for children to see it."
Asked if the Tardis seemed to expand magically on the inside, just as it does in the BBC drama, she replied: "Definitely".
After watching maybe one other Who episode in my life, I watched the last half of one then the new one right after. The chick overacted a bit, but I liked it!
halfway through series 3 right now. it's better than the second one, although still not grabbing me as much as the first one. although Tennant's showed much improvement.
halfway through series 3 right now. it's better than the second one, although still not grabbing me as much as the first one. although Tennant's showed much improvement.
Season Three is good (except for the finale...you'll know when you see it).
Season Four is awesome. It bugs me how he's leaving right as he hit his stride.
Note, he's not actually in character or in outfit in that publicity shot. So, I don't know how he's going to look. I hope that lose the hair, though. Yikes. Fuck you, Twilight.
Michelle Ryan (from that crappy Bionic Woman NBC show, and that awesome Jekyll BBC show) will be "the chick" in the 2009 Easter Special. The actress that played "Sevillia" (can't remember her name) on HBO's ROME and is in Under the Tuscan Sun, will be "the chick" for the three-part Xmas/Tennant Finale.
Rumors have everything from the Daleks returning (again) to John Simm reprising The Master. Absolutely nothing confirmed, though...
Most of it, yeah. But, again, RTD doesn't know how to reign himself in. The show has become stagnant and by-the-numbers. I am SO ready to see the end of RTD and Tennant...
It's a decent episode of Who, but they had more than a week to put all this shit together. The specials should be bigger and better. I like Tennent's Doctor, but he should have just quit and handed it all over instead of having a non-season.
Planet of the Dead was shit. I really loved the first 3 years of RTD's Doctor Who and have tried to find the good points in his last year of sloppy boring crap but I can't with this. The opening where the Doctor is eating a chocolate egg and says Happy Easter was the only part I enjoyed. These specials were supposed to be big, the rumors involved Paul Mcgann and the Time War as well as other huge stars. Instead we've got the Bionic Woman as a jewel thief who, like all RTD companions, is oh so special and impressive. The great thing about Donna in the Runaway Bride was that she was a moron, but RTD has gotten so damn sentimental that the show is little more than a whiny Doctor being led around by the "strong female" companion. From what I'm reading the Waters of Mars is going to be yet another standard story (but with an even fiestier companion) and then a two parter with the same guest stars from Journey's End and then Tenant's regeneration. What a waste. RTD started out brilliantly, but I think he got too caught up in the big emotional moments that he lazily just writes a bunch of "yay Doctor" scenes where someone cries and/or salutes and calls it gold. I love Tenant, he is MY Doctor but I can't wait to see him go. It's like watching someone you like suffer through humiliation after humiliation.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
RTD started out brilliantly, but I think he got too caught up in the big emotional moments that he lazily just writes a bunch of "yay Doctor" scenes where someone cries and/or salutes and calls it gold.
Amen sister! Can't wait for the 2010 new beginning...
another thing that's bugging me is the scheduling of these specials. I remember they kept saying they were going to air throughout 2009, instead it's going to be march then november then christmas and the last airing in 2010. That plus the fact they're so vague about the exact dates makes me think there have been some serious mismanagment. Maybe everyone was too busy saluting and crying to get one in for the summer.
Finally saw Planet of the Dead and liked it. What probably helped is I knew beforehand that it was more a standard story. Never cared for the Bionic Woman remake but liked the actress in this story. The UNIT bits were fun and the threat was more than interesting. The teasers for the next special did look anticlimatic though as we near the end of this Doctor"s run.
Watched the Torchwood mini that I guess is series 3 over the last couple of days and hope there will be a series 4 and that it's not so dark. Not much can be said without spoiling beyond did anyone else watch it yet?
I've only watched episodes 1 & 2 so far. Going to do a marathon tonight with the wife to get caught up. So far, it's easily the best Torchwood I've ever watched. They have found their perfect rhythm and stride. I'll probably have more to say once I've seen the whole thing.
However, I did not like PotD. It was a lot of gloss and no substance. It's exactly the kind of thing I've always feared Doctor Who becoming. The polar extreme of what it once was, given the Classic era's great stories and horribly limited budgets. Fingers-crossed this kind of crass, soul-less presentation of Doctor Who will fade a little with Moffat's tenure...
I've only watched episodes 1 & 2 so far. Going to do a marathon tonight with the wife to get caught up. So far, it's easily the best Torchwood I've ever watched. They have found their perfect rhythm and stride. I'll probably have more to say once I've seen the whole thing.
However, I did not like PotD. It was a lot of gloss and no substance. It's exactly the kind of thing I've always feared Doctor Who becoming. The polar extreme of what it once was, given the Classic era's great stories and horribly limited budgets. Fingers-crossed this kind of crass, soul-less presentation of Doctor Who will fade a little with Moffat's tenure...
I thought this was the best Torchwood yet also but didn't like the ending. As for PotD, I'm very much guilty of enjoying some "gloss no substance" episodes. It would get old if that's all there was of course but as you point out with Moffat coming on board there's little chance of that happening
I don't know. That was pretty deconstructionist of them. If there is a 4th season, they would have to do some serious rebuilding. I read that the Lois character was originally written to be Martha Jones (from Doctor Who) but she was busy doing Law & Order: UK so Lois was created. Also, Mickey Smith (also from DW) was to have most of Reese's lines, but Noel Clarke's off doing a film. I think it worked better not having two recognizable characters like that, though. However, if they do another season, I'd watch it if they get Mickey Smith back...
I don't know. That was pretty deconstructionist of them. If there is a 4th season, they would have to do some serious rebuilding. I read that the Lois character was originally written to be Martha Jones (from Doctor Who) but she was busy doing Law & Order: UK so Lois was created. Also, Mickey Smith (also from DW) was to have most of Reese's lines, but Noel Clarke's off doing a film. I think it worked better not having two recognizable characters like that, though. However, if they do another season, I'd watch it if they get Mickey Smith back...
I don't know how you guys in the US can watch such bollocks as torchwood when you have so many great shows!
Yeah, I'm kind of digging the "1950's American Math Professor"-look. Like Jaburg says, it's a Troughton-esque redo. We'll have to see how it plays out with him as the character. I'd love it if he were this awkward, gawky character to contrast Ten's pretty-boy.
And Royford Batty, my love, I'd normally agree with you, except that Children of the Earth was the balls-to-the-wall hard and awesome. Give this one a shot, man...
And Royford Batty, my love, I'd normally agree with you, except that Children of the Earth was the balls-to-the-wall hard and awesome. Give this one a shot, man...
I'm afraid I did and I didn't like any of it.
It took itself way too serious and unfortunately I find the torchwood team totally dislikeable.
But what I did enjoy was Geoff Johns Blackest Night!
And Royford Batty, my love, I'd normally agree with you, except that Children of the Earth was the balls-to-the-wall hard and awesome. Give this one a shot, man...
I'm afraid I did and I didn't like any of it.
It took itself way too serious and unfortunately I find the torchwood team totally dislikeable.
But what I did enjoy was Geoff Johns Blackest Night!
I like bits here and there but the characters do tend to be unlikeable. The first season was almost entirely based around stories where somebody from Torchwood caused the problem that needed to be solved. This last series seemed better but there would be moments like Gwen holding a small kid while telling the story how the world ended with her husband taping her and a bunch of other kids cowering in fear. What type of person would do that?
There was a time that Doctor Who dressed in a flamboyant style that nobody else would dress in. Since the comeback, the creators have become boring. Not only do they seem to be unable to do stories that do not revolve around Earth, but they have lost the creative spark as far as his costume goes.
Quite frankly, while the dress sense is somewhat quirky on this gay looking emo, its still far too damn normal.
Look at both Bakers, Troughton, McCoy, Davidson, McGann and Pertwee and they looked out of place in any time, but because of the new series reliance on being set in modern day England, the last three have all been far to conformist.
And going on the assistants dress sense, it would seem she has borrowed her wardrobe from Buffy the vampires slayers Willow, circa 1997.
I agree with you, overall. I guess it doesn't bother me too much, as long as it has something of an individualistic or eccentric flair. It doesn't have to be Victorian or Edwardian, necessarily, for me to like it. For example, I loved Eccles' U-Boat Captain outfit, even though it's a variation on something you might see in modern fashion in certain cultures. It all depends on how the actor portrays The Doctor, that defines the vibe the clothes give off. That's why I agree with you, in relation to David Tennant's pretty-boy vibe. Too mainstream feeling for The Doctor, in my opinion.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, I won the K-1 Robot from Baker's pilot episode (titled ever so cleverly) 'ROBOT'.
While each character Doctor has always had a different character, the clothes themselves always lend to that character in my opinion, and the clothing worn since the revival have added nothing, and in my mind actually take something away from it. Eccleston was the worst in that his clothes were something that anyone would quite happily wear, and I would go as far as to say he was fashionable. Now this may have worked, had the follow ups been a bit more flamboyant, to make his Doctor stand out more as the serious Doctor, but instead we get two more normally dressed, though less fashionable, Doctors.
They dont have to be as out there as Colin Baker but they should stand out from the crowd, even when on Earth.
I don't totally agree or disagree with you. I'd like to see more eccentric clothes for the character, but I don't think that Tennet or the new guy are exactly too conformist. They were a bit stand outish themselves. Tennet was a 60's era mod suit with sneakers. This guy is Indian Jonesish college professor. They're still doing the same concept of using dress from different time eras as they did originally but moving outside the Edwardian era. Ever since Tom's run, they'd gotten more and more outlandish, especially with Colin's. I think a lot of those Who years suffered because of JNT's decree that the Doctor have a singular, superhero type costume.
McGann's costume wouldn't make him not fit in any time. On the contrary, it was a wild west costume (Doc Holiday if I remember) that he stole. And Pertwee was an old man trying to be fashionable but a few years behind the time. He was wearing the same shit that the Beatles, The Who, and Hendrix were sporting in the late 60's.
Actually Pertwee was more of a Victorian dandy with his ruffles and bowties etc, I dont think that many people dressed like that in the 60s.
As for McGann, despite the fact he fitted into the wild west, he still would stand out like a sore thumb in any other era.
With the Tennant and Smith costumes, although they do represent an era of sorts, they are certainly not out of place in the modern era as many people dress like that (take Jarvis Cocker as a perfect example), and would not look so outlandish if they travelled to the past.
I don't know anyone who dresses like Smith's Doctor unless they're really, really old. Like Ric Flair old..... cuz he was in the Civil War.
Seriously, though, I think Tennant and Smith's Doctor would be just as out of place as McGann's in most time periods. A mod suit, while a suit, is a particular one that is an attention grabber and odd outside of that little culture and time. And, yes, Pertwee was a Victorian dandy; but that is still a look that was very prevalent in late 60's rock, especially British rock. I can dig up some pics of similar stuff that Hendrix, the Stones, and others were wearing at that time.
What you have to remember is that these guys aint American. You travel to any place of high academia here, like Oxford or Cambridge (and more countrified areas), and you will see people dressing like Smith all over the place. And hell, you cant walk through central London without seeing people dressed like Tennant.
The mod culture never really went away here, there has always been a huge following. If you go into Carnaby Street, as a good example, and despite it now being a very trendy street, its still got a huge mod shop there, and is still a place thats fully associated with mod shit.
I'd say if a person wearing a mod suit appeared in 1890, he wouldnt look that different to if a modern businessman appeared there. It would just look like another form of formal dress.
Now if you turn up wearing a denim jacket or jogging bottoms, now that would look outlandish to them!
It was a standard Tennant episode, at first. The monster and all that was done pretty well, I thought. Reminded me of Baker/Davison era. But, the end stuff was awesome! I looooooooove it when we see The Doctor's "mad god" persona come to the forefront like that. Total 6th Doctor/Valeyard vibe going there.
"I'm not just fighting the flood! I'm fighting time! AND I'M GONNA WIN!!"
...and...
"...I've gone too far..."
...were some of the best fucking lines Tennant's ever delivered in the role. I truly love seeing this incarnation's hubris and god-complex finally coming around to bite him in the ass.
And did anyone see that preview for the final story? Fuck. Yes. It's on.
The episode was dragged out but had a few good concepts, However I would not descrbe this as a special, more Doctor Who Shitfest.
Though not as bad as the Bus shitfest.
As Prom said, the last scene was very good and for the first time I found myself enjoying watching that jock bint - echos of McCoys Doctor in the New Adventures. I was hoping that the Mars Captain whore was going to shoot the Doctor in the back.
Sorry Prom, I can't get to excited about the last adventure, what with the return of the Master. There's only one person on par with tennants twatishness and that's sims Master.
For example, I loved Eccles' U-Boat Captain outfit
I always just thought he was a dude in a leather jacket.
Crazy Colin has a point, after Eccles leather boy look they could have ofset it with having twatennant wearing something elaborate rather than a fashionable suit.
I hope the new guy learns from tennant and doesn't try so hard.
I was hoping that the Mars Captain whore was going to shoot the Doctor in the back.
Me too!! That would have been perfect! This god-like, "perfect" Time Lord getting taken down by a mere human...
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Sorry Prom, I can't get to excited about the last adventure, what with the return of the Master. There's only one person on par with tennants twatishness and that's sims Master.
LOL! Eh, I'm down with The Master either way, though. We'll see. I guess I like it because it looks so dark and all. But, who knows....RTD might pull out a cheesefest at the last moment. Guess we'll find out...
I guess that was due to whoever the writer other than RTD was.
The Top Gear series premier was better.
Pretty much my feelings. I think the consequences of the episode were more important than the episode itself, which is kinda sad. Still, I think there were some good, funny lines. "I hate funny robots."
Just watched Water from Mars and really liked it. Can't say much beyond that without spoilers that hasn't already been said but really liked the bits that were previewed for the next special!
these specials have been a big letdown. I think what ruined them was all the early rumors about celebrities, Paul Mcgann, the Time War, etc. Just like the 4th season RTD has let the acclaim he got for the first 3 seasons (and rightfully so) go to his head. Planet of the Dead and Waters of Mars were little more than regular episodes with extra padding. Waters was actually decent and I liked the idea that he decided he could make the rules now. But Planet seemed to boil down to one old lady saying "he will knock 4 times," which they could've slipped into the dialogue anywhere else and scrapped the whole "special". Also the spacing has been crap. March to November and then 3 specials crammed into about 6 weeks is just poor planning. I'm looking forward to The End of Time mainly because I think RTD probably put his real energies into that and just shit out Planet and Waters, and John Simm's as the Master plus some kind of Time Lord return should be be worthwhile. Overall I'm just waiting for Moffet. I don't care about the new Doctor as I do about the new producer.
On another note I've been downloading the Tom Baker serials that I've yet to see. I really dug how his first year had each story leading into the next one, I like that kind of continuity. Nathan-Turner's changes in year 18 were utter shit though. I also got a chance to see Dreamland and the Wedding of Sarah Jane for the last few Tennant stories. Not great, but not bad either. Enjoyable.
Agreed with all. Except I didn't like Dreamland, but thought The Wedding of Sarah-Jane was fun.
I, too, am just waiting for RTD to go. Then we should be able to see the dividing line between what the producer wants and what the Beeb demands. Knowing Moffat like we do already, it should be well obvious by the end of his first couple of episodes.
Has anyone heard if Murray Gold is going to be replaced? I SOOOO hope so! I am incredibly tired of his orchestral rehashes over and over and over. Can we have something besides pop-lite orchestra?
Obviously just a build up episode, so a lot of time devoted to establishing plots and little follow through, but could make for a strong finish when the story continues.
Tennant was cool and Simm was brilliantly mad.
Just a shame that ugly, talentless slapper, Tate, had to be in it.
Still, at least this year we didnt get some shitey christmas related story involving living trees etc.
I hate Donna. She's absolutely useless and her "comedy" doesn't really translate. I watch her and think that this must be just one of those cultural things but I don't find her funny at all. And she's not pretty like Rose and Martha were (they were also better actors).
I like Simms as the Master. He's a great dark reflection on Tennant. The added canibalism and super powers worked well because they added desperation. Watching older episodes and newer ones I think the Master being so unhinged is because of the lack of Time Lords. In Trial of a Timelord they revealed that the Master made frequent trips into the Matrix, the repository of Time Lord knowledge. Since they're a telepathic race (sort of) he probably stabilized himself but with only the Doctor he's just too crazy and can't maintain because the one source of stability is the person he could never show weakness to. It just plays well given their history over several regenerations.
I was reminded in this episode of how strong an actor Tenant is. He's possibly the best actor to play the role. As much as I love Tom Baker he was in a lot of ways just playing Tom Baker. And all of the other Doctors always seem to be playing themselves in some way or another. But Tenant has real range and I wonder how aweful the last year would've been if a weaker actor had had these shit RTD scripts. And the scripts are shit. I'm reminded of George Lucas. With RTD years 1-3 were the original trilogy and ever since Voyage of the Damned were in the prequels. He's so full of his own "brilliance" now that there's little quality left. A real shame.
I'm intrigued by the Time Lords return. But I'm very skeptical of trusting this program until a new producer is in charge. i remember last year with the Next Doctor I thought they were telling the story of the Tenth Doctor's adventure ending in tragedy and a traumatic regeneration. I thought the "next Doctor" was from the future and had gone back to alter events. I had this moment where I saw the episode playing out with him saving the day and the Tenth Doctor and then fading as his own existence was undone. Instead we get bullshit that wastes an hour and a hot air balloon tardis. Unfortunately the story I came up with actually worked better for what they're doing now and trying to do with the Tenth getting too full of himself and his ability to alter time. I really hate when I have better ideas than a show I enjoy. It just means the proffessional writers are tapped and need to go.
And while I'm ranting, is anyone else pissed that the Time War rumors turned out to be false? Planet of the Dead and Waters of Mars were utter wastes and hardly "special." I was really excited when I heard the rumors about Paul McGann returning. That would've been special, that would've been worth waiting 8 months for. Oh well. I rewatched Moffat's episodes earlier and am very excited for the new season.
Oh its not a cultural thing with that fat ugly slag, she is about as funny as a dose of aids (in fact I think aids may be funnier), and I think she is only popular because she is the 'it' comedian of recent times, and people think they have to like her, even if they dont. I just call a turd a turd, and she is most defo a turd.
While Who should be peppered with a bit of humour here and there, her so called humour does not belong in a show like this.
I agree that Simm is great and that Tennant is great as well, I even agree with you about him being a better actor and is actually playing a role rather than himself ( I seem to remember making this reference to Pro earlier this year as to the reason I never really like Ecclescake as the Doctor as he wasnt even attempting to act or play a part).
I enjoyed Tate's time as a companion and thought her acting was just as good if not better than the others. It was also a nice break getting away from the usual romantic angle that occurred with both Freeman & Piper's characters.
While Who should be peppered with a bit of humour here and there, her so called humour does not belong in a show like this.
I think the Doctor should be the funny one and the companion plays the straight man in the same way the companion plays the ignorant viewer who needs to have transpatial anomalies explained to them. The only really great episodes from last season were the Library episodes (where Donna is too terrified to be wacky and then removed for most of part 2 and Midnight where she had a scene at teh start and end. The worst episode by far was Turn Left where it was all her. I don't mind older companions or a lack of sex appeal, just not her and her "jokes." Though if the online theories that she's the Rani turn out to be true I'll approve of her whole run. But only then.
I found it pointless and all over the place. However, there was some form of primal comfort I got out of it. I think it was structured like a Classic Who episode, and that appealed to my subconscious nostalgia. Standing back from it, you can see exactly where RTD had a great plot (Master/Doctor). But, then you see where the "studio-influence" comes in. The Master's action-figure-worthy "superpowers". The family demographic comforted by a bit of vaguely rude humor. Take note that the tempo and pace builds when The Doctor first starts chasing The Master. Then, at the height of the chase, a crowd of old people rush in to molest him. Thus, the "wink-nudge" to adults and kids alike, as to not take it too seriously. I think that's the part I dislike the most. Take it seriously. It's fucking Doctor Who. Have enough respect for the show, and its audience, as to not dumb down the emotional and visceral nature of drama.
Tennant and Simm where in perfectly balanced form here. They polished what they could, and just trudged through the silly shit without phoning anything in.
Oh, and just let me say that while I respect Tennant and his acting, the 10th Doctor is the biggest fucking emo in the history of television. If I have to see him tear up and get weepy in one more scene, I'm going to vomit. His whole fear of death thing, compared to how all the previous lives faced it (Davison, Eccleston) just paint Number Ten as a big pussy. Man-up, you wuss!
Enjoyed Dalton's dominance. He always looks so much more 'gallantly menacing' clean-shaven. He looks healthier/younger here than in Hot Fuzz. I'm waiting to pass judgment on the Time Lord thing until I've seen both parts.
Not impressed so far. I found Planet of the Dead and Waters of Mars to be very disappointing for 'Specials' as they were only glorified episodes. As I've said, Tennent should have stepped aside as soon as he started wanting to do more than just be the Doctor. Doctor Who is one of those things were the role is bigger than the actor in it and shouldn't be put off because the actor wants to do theater. I gave Waters of Mars a pass because I thought that the consequences of it would be dealt with here. Maybe it will in the final episode, and I'm hoping that it will. If not, it's such a fucking waste. The Doctor fucking with time should be the thing that brought the Master back or a bigger menace (maybe this will be the Timelords as it seems as they may put them back into a nemesis role for the Doctor.). Dalton, though, was awesome as always. I thought he was a good Bond, but that his Bond movies were just shit. It's fucking awesome to see him land in Who and steal the fucking show with just a voiceover and a few closeups. I'm tired of RTD wanking all over Who and can't wait for him to get his fat ass out the door.
I don't have a problem with him being afraid to die. The Doctor normally has little time or choice in his regenerations but it's treated as a death and traumatic rebirth. The Second Doctor freaked out a bit when the Time Lord informed him they would force one, the First even waited until his body just wore out.
so basically nothing happened. The Master and the Time Lords are gone (again) and the Doctor died because he was stupid enough to bring a useless old man with him. I would've preferred it if he just bumped his head like Colin Baker or walked out of the Tardis in the middle of a gang hit like Sylvestor Mccoy. This was a lot of hype for nothing. And how did Martha and Mickey end up married? She was engaged already to another man and they shared maybe a few scenes together with no real interaction. And what exactly do they have in common other than being jealous of the Doctor/Rose relationship (and they're both black). The Regeneration was great though. Matt Smith was enjoyable as he inspected himself and the trailer for the new series has me hopeful that Moffat will turn things around.
Can I get an AMen on this being the Final RTD episode. I wanted to vomit thru most of it. The acting is fine is the fucking Script and story that blew.
Oh and the BBC is a cunt. Have to have a uk IP address to watch the preview on their website. I fucking had to waste 3 minutes looking for a UK proxy to watch that shit... Bastards
Good-bye Russel T Davies. Thank you for bringing back Doctor Who. I appreciate all the hard work you did in the first season.
Thank you David Tennant. You will be remembered down through the ages as the man who rose to Tom Baker-level dominance in the role. Good luck and see you for the 50th anniversary.
Welcome aboard, Matt Smith and Steven Moffat! Can't WAIT to see what you do!
Good-bye Russel T Davies. Thank you for bringing back Doctor Who. I appreciate all the hard work you did in the first season.
Thank you David Tennant. You will be remembered down through the ages as the man who rose to Tom Baker-level dominance in the role. Good luck and see you for the 50th anniversary.
Welcome aboard, Matt Smith and Steven Moffat! Can't WAIT to see what you do!
Agreed. The new season looks like it'll be fun. The way the show was before RTD decided to start forcing it to be sad.
Not to be judgemental too early, but everything I have seen of Smith so far seems to just be a copy of Tennants doctor. Even the bit after he first changed was a direct rip of Tennant. Hope it isnt the case.
Not to be judgemental too early, but everything I have seen of Smith so far seems to just be a copy of Tennants doctor. Even the bit after he first changed was a direct rip of Tennant. Hope it isnt the case.
What a turd! It was every RTD hack cliche thrown into one story. Just terrible. He turned the Timelords' technological advancements and turned them into magic mumbo jumbo with a soothsayer to boot. Seems to remind me a lot of the last series finale too with the Daleks. Just shit. No consequences for the Doctor playing god in The Waters of Mars. His sad little goodbyes were too much. I'm not going to bitch about why he died as it reminded me a lot of Davison's departure, but did it have to take so fucking long? RTD should have left after the first series or at least just sat back and produced without fucking shit up too much with his sentimental Doctor bullshit. Here's hoping for a glorious new era for Who.
Not to be judgemental too early, but everything I have seen of Smith so far seems to just be a copy of Tennants doctor. Even the bit after he first changed was a direct rip of Tennant. Hope it isnt the case.
I noticed, as well. However, it should be noted that the trailer above only has scenes from the three episodes that have been shot, not the entire season. Notice he's wearing Tennant's outfit in a lot of those scenes, which would suggest he's still post-regen-crazy.
Also, take this into consideration: David Tennant was playing Chris Eccleston for 99% of his first episode. So, it will probably take him time to settle into the role.
Per Moffat, the Eleventh Doctor is an antithesis to Number Ten. He's much more humble, and far more introspective. It's going for a Troughton/Pertwee/Davison mix. He's going to be a bit of a bruiser, like Number Three (as proven by throwing a punch, and use of the gun, in the trailer). But, will retain that same craving for adventure that all Docs have.
Steven Moffat has always said that his favorite type of characters are "the geeks who get the girl". I suspect the gawky, awkward image is going to be a Troughton-like throw-off for a clever mind and quick reflexes.
Either way, I hope you're right. If I even smell Tennant after the first half of the season, I'll begin to fret...
I had a feeling they would try really hard to make the regeneration an 'emotional' affair but I had no idea how much they would milk it!
Part 2 started well, Dalton & Cribbins were great and I even started to like Simm but I still really disliked Twatennant(Tennantwat)!
When the Doctor fell through the roof, I thought they might go the Tom Baker way but unlike the fourth Doctor, this cunt would muster the strength to save the day before regenerating because of the fall.
Then we had some gayness about the Doctor having a tough decision to make - take out the timelords or the master..., I did however like the idea of if the Timelords came back, then so would the Daleks and other bad shit.
Threat vanquished, we learn the true reason the cunt will regenerate - a combination of Pertwee(radiation poisoning) and Davison(saving a companion)!
I watched this shitcuntfest with my niece and nephew, who both love the twat and were both upset that he was 'dying' but the long winded regeneration scene bored the hell out of them! My 8 year old nephew even questioned the Martha Mickey scene!
I have to say that Rose was looking particularly ugly in her scene.
It was a huge mistake having the close up on Piper as she is quite noticeably older, yet this was before she had met the Doctor. Should have kept the cameras at a distance or used better make up/effects to de-age her.
If Russel T Davies really wanted to blow me away with those "End of Time" episodes, he would have ended the second one on the logical closure point, not the 25 endings that followed.
If Russel T Davies really wanted to blow me away with those "End of Time" episodes, he would have ended the second one on the logical closure point, not the 25 endings that followed.
Really I think I would of much rather had the Show Pause, RTD Come out Superimposed of the Show and watch him blow his fucking brains out.
That is the only way i would have been satisfied with that pile of shit.
If Russel T Davies really wanted to blow me away with those "End of Time" episodes, he would have ended the second one on the logical closure point, not the 25 endings that followed.
Really I think I would of much rather had the Show Pause, RTD Come out Superimposed of the Show and watch him blow his fucking brains out.
That is the only way i would have been satisfied with that pile of shit.
Dude, you were so right. How long did it take that fucker to die?
I can't believe I forgot to mention the absolute snarfrob Captain gaylord queercunt scene!
You fat taff twat!
Do you really really need to promote your robness to such an extent?
It totally put me of Torchwood!
But you had to 'ram' your gayness down the throats of the poor viewer one last time, didn't you!
In my little wank fantasy, I was hoping the guy, Cap Poof pulled in the bar, turned out to be the werewolf, the same actor plays in Being Human - and he bit Jacks cock off! That'd learn him!
I can't believe I forgot to mention the absolute snarfrob Captain gaylord queercunt scene!
You fat taff twat!
Do you really really need to promote your robness to such an extent?
It totally put me of Torchwood!
But you had to 'ram' your gayness down the throats of the poor viewer one last time, didn't you!
In my little wank fantasy, I was hoping the guy, Cap Poof pulled in the bar, turned out to be the werewolf, the same actor plays in Being Human - and he bit Jacks cock off! That'd learn him!
The only thing I liked about that scene was that the setting was a nice homage to the Star Wars canteena scene, but yeah, the whole gay pick up thing was pretty weak.
I think the whole thing about the last episode is how much of a little bitch RTD is. He had to show the audience one last time all the characters he created and how cool they are or the 'progressive' lifestyles they lead. More than that, though, he did another total fuck up of the Who continuity. It wasn't bad enough that he keeps eliminating the Daleks and Cybermen forever only to have to come up with some bullshit excuse as to why they still exist (and have a large armada), but he has to totally fuck up the Master as well. It was like 'I brought him back, so now I'm going to get rid of him' bitch move. The Master returns to Galifrey to die with the Timelords and killing a great opportunity to properly bring back the Timelords, Daleks, and Cybermen.
I have faith that Moffat understands Who better than RTD (I'm beginning to notice that he's taking on the same amount of fan hate, at least here, that another poofter Who script editor/producer of the late 70's/80's did). Moffat seems to get that the Doctor is the main character of a show called Doctor Who. He also seems to understand what makes good Who stories and villains a lot better as well.
Agreed. But, we have to remember that Who is now a huge cash-cow for the BBC, and the studios will definitely step in to make certain that particular "tween-pleasing" elements are present. I don't expect the same level of greatness from Moffat that most expect. I just hope for smarter scripts and less pop-culture-flash-fluff...
Agreed. But, we have to remember that Who is now a huge cash-cow for the BBC, and the studios will definitely step in to make certain that particular "tween-pleasing" elements are present. I don't expect the same level of greatness from Moffat that most expect. I just hope for smarter scripts and less pop-culture-flash-fluff...
I disagree with you in the sense that I'm expecting greatness from Moffat based on what he's done so far with Who. The Empty Child and Silence in the Library show that he's good at making classic, toy friendly monsters of the week while still creating good stories. I don't expect every story to hit those levels, but I think the show overall will begin to form into that style of story again.
Episode 1 - Moffat, new companion Episode 2 - Moffat, monks and Sophie Okenedo Episode 3 - Mark Gatiss, Daleks Episodes 4 and 5 - Moffat, River Song and Weeping Angels Episode 6 - Toby Whithouse. Episode 7 - Gareth Roberts Episodes 8 and 9 - Chris Chibnall, Silurians and Sea-Devils Episode 10 - Richard Curtis Episode 11 - Simon Nye Episodes 12 and 13 - Moffat, big finale.
From what I understand, it's supposed to be either his granddaughter Susan, his mother, or Romana. RTD purposefully left it open for everyone to make their own assumptions...
I know it doesn't make sense but I wondered if it could have been Donna. That scene where she's getting married and Wilf asks the Doctor who the mysterious woman was, the Doctor doesn't say anything but looks at Donna. Plus there was the line she said she had been lost. That could of course apply to both Susan & Romana too.
I know it doesn't make sense but I wondered if it could have been Donna. That scene where she's getting married and Wilf asks the Doctor who the mysterious woman was, the Doctor doesn't say anything but looks at Donna. Plus there was the line she said she had been lost. That could of course apply to both Susan & Romana too.
That's the point, though. Wilf asks who she was, and The Doctor looks at his granddaughter. It supposedly implies that it's HIS granddaughter, Susan. But, like you said, it can be seen many different ways...
With eight days left in the auction, the actual EMS VCS3 synthesiser used by John Baker at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop to create the Doctor Who theme is already up to $US6000. There are some deep-pocketed Whovians out there.
It’s being sold on eBay after John Baker’s estate sold it after his death in 1997, and it’s apparently in very good condition, not having been used since the late ’70s.
But it will be worth it when I create my own theme tune....for MYSELF! I'll play it every day before I go to work.
Also, that trailer is SO FUCKING WEIRD!!! I love it!!! I love weird, awkward Doctor Who! I love that it's not Matt Smith staring into the camera "mysteriously", while they present him like a fucking superhero. Thank you RTD and goodbye.
The next season looks great. Also, I love Smith's accent. Very Pertwee...
The bird in that first clip sounds like some kind of inexperienced student rather than an actress.
The Smith version of the Doctor just looks like a more hyper/nerdy version of Tennant. I am still not convinced at this stage that he will be that much different. Will have to wait and see though as so far, I am neither impressed or excited, but am not hating it either.
Just saw the clip again on the Jonathan Ross show, where he had an interview with Smith. Couple of things he mentioned are that the clip above is actually from ep.6, so its a lil way off yet. He also showed us the new sonic screwdriver, which has been redesigned and also mentioned that the Tardis will be different inside as well, as its bigger (his words were 'There are other levels' and indicated that there will be other rooms like a library).
The biggest annoyance I can see coming for me, is that its gonna revolve around Earth again, from what he has said. Why the fuck cant they realise part of the thing that made Who popular years ago was the fact that you didnt know where and when the next story would take place, where as since the relaunch its pretty much been modern day Earth, with only a handful of episodes outside of that.
Smith also said he hopes to at least do another series next year, and hopefully more beyond that if possible. He said he wants to keep the role as its something special (that already puts him head and shoulders above Ecclescake).
It had already been given away, you fucking knob sack. Smith gave it away when he told us its all changed and even showed us the new Sonic Screwdriver on the Jonathon Ross show.
I liked it. Yes, it was padding, but so have all the 'first' episodes for the Doctors since the relaunch. Like the new TARDIS as well; and, like Roy, I hope they explore it a bit more as well. Dig the new intro bit, though I'm still not sold on the music. Since the 80's, the theme music has lacked that alienesque sound that it use to have. I think the new music brings it back in a little, but not enough to suit my tastes.
As far as Smith being a more manic Tennant, I couldn't disagree more. Aside from the earlier scenes where he's still fresh from the regeneration, he seems to have been more calm in areas that Tennant would have been over the top and dramatic. Smith was also more vain. Got to disagree with you on the past Doctors bit, Roy. I still geeked out for it. Well done overall. As fun as the first episode in 05.
I liked Matt Smith like I like oxygen. That dude walked INTO being The Doctor. To me, it was "Action!" and he was suddenly a Time Lord. Very much a strange mix of Colin and McGann! He nailed it coming out of the gate, and I look forward to seeing this motherfucker stride forward.
LOVED Amy Pond! Man, not only is she sexy as hell, but she has all the right nerves of steel and loud mouth that a really good companion should have. And she's not fucking GOO-GOO over The Doc, either! That's important. Fuck you RTD.
As for the story, here's my take: Moffat did his best to bring back the eeriness and strange aura of the old days. And in many respects, he succeeded! The first time that giant eyeball looked through the crack in the universe, I got a chill up my spine. That shit is just WEIRD. And don't even get me started on the lady/two girls form Prisoner Zero took at the end. C-r-e-e-p-y.
The new TARDIS is pretty, but I expect to see more of it. Did anyone else catch that it has Hartnell's light-set above the console? Also, nice lava-lamp-inspired central column and viewscreen (viewscreen!). Can't wait to see where the stairs go.
I liked the nod to the past with the old Doctor shots. However, RTD just did that in "The Next Doctor" last Christmas. It was a little too "on the nose" to go through all the Docs, and have Smith walk through the hologram as "Number 11". Trying too hard.
Overall, it felt like "Rose", but with about a brillion more pounds shoved into the budget. Also, it felt more confident than RTD's beginning. As well it should, I guess. Moffat's riding his wave still.
The bad:
-That theme tune, and opening "lighting tunnel", is fucking gay. Bad. BAD! The worst the franchise has EVER produced. Worse than Sylvester's purple Commodore-64 vortex, with Colin's techno-harpsichord "Trial of a Time Lord" season theme. The fire-tunnel at the end of it is the only redeeming quality of that "tunnel of spooky" cheese.
The tune itself? Bad. Fuck you, Murray Gold. Fuck you, you garish, one-note orchestral hack.
I think the thing I disliked the most was the bit when he wanted to think, and he started smacking his head, and the camera shot from person to person before stopping with Amys boyfriend and the camera phone. It was almost like The Doctor suddenly had this new super power.
Everything else was pretty much ok. Nothing Earth shattering, but ok.
I noticed a whole new style to this episode that greatly departed from RTD's. I saw the jumping from person to person not as a 'new super power' but more as a peak into how the Doctor's mind works.
I loved it. It was fun, funny, had original aliens, and an overall sense of mystery. Basically it was something we hadn't seen in a few years, even better than most of RTD's good episodes. Smith did a good job, I can see him being quite good in the role. There was a certain mixture of both Bakers that really worked. I can tell he's a smart actor who put thought into the role before really tackling it. I also liked his style and and the Tardis redesign. It all has a nice retro look which adds to the sense of fun. Amy also has a lot of promise. It reminded me of Renette from Girl in the Fireplace with a happier ending. It shows that he's willing to be creative with the time travel aspects (I especially like the added 2 years at the end). I like the twist that he's her imaginary friend who she drew and obsessed over since childhood. It's so much more than the Rose/Martha crush because her infatuation with the Doctor goes back before she even thought of sex, running out on her wedding was a brilliant touch. She's also fun and tough without being "feminist tough" like the RTD companions. And she's hot. I think the days of Doctor-praise and heavy melodrama are finally over. The show is no longer about Rose, the Time War (which I still feel cheated we didn't get the rumored Mcgann episode), or the Daleks/Master as the season's big bad. I'm happy....though the jury is still out on the theme song, I was hoping for one closer to the Hartnell-Baker eras.
I noticed a whole new style to this episode that greatly departed from RTD's. I saw the jumping from person to person not as a 'new super power' but more as a peak into how the Doctor's mind works.
That was my impression. The idea being the Doctor takes EVERYTHING in and was just sifting through it. They've always had the Doctor do that, this is just the first time we've seen it through his eyes. It was cool.
Liked the latest episode. Not terribly great, but cool none the less. Still developing the new Doctor. No way you can say that Smith's a more manic version of Tennat after this one. Next week is the Dalek WWII in SPACE ep.
Actually I can still say he is a manic version of Tennant, cause he is. The guy never stops moving, and when I wasnt looking at the screen at certain points, he even sounded like Tennants Doctor.
Wasnt overly impressed with this episode either. Was far too rushed.
Still getting used to the Doctor and I'm not quite sure who he is yet. He has some but not a lot of 10, a touch of 6, and there are moments where he has a bit of 4. I liked the premise this week, thought it was brilliant, but the execution seemed a bit forced. From the confidential episodes I get the sense that most of the people are new and not just Smith/Moffat so I guess there needs to be a bit of a grace period. So far though the show is better than RTD's run. There's less whiny melodrama. I like that he almost casually mentioned being the last Timelord, it just wasn't something he was going to get all choked up about like 9 and 10. The new Tardis set continues to be amazing. It's just so big and elaborate, along with Smith's 50's professor look the whole show feels much more like an adventure. Amy Pond continues to be hot.
I liked the call at the end of the episode. I like when one episode leads into the next. Next week Daleks, River Song, and hopefully a nip slip from Amy.
Episodes leading into each other is a throwback to Peter Davison's era, as well as Hartnell's. Moffat's favorite Doctor is Peter, so there's that.
Matt Smith said Moffat gave him a single episode from each Doctor to watch. Smith loved Troughton in Tomb of the Cybermen, thus his insistence on the bow-tie and outfit.
As for his mannerisms, I too detect some hints of Ten in there. I think that's up to (A) Moffat still writing him a little like Tennant, and (B) probably to ease the pain and try and attract the tweens. Either way, it's in such small doses I just chalk it up to the "new" period. Remember, Tennant was very Eccleston in his first few episodes, too.
Mainly, though, Number Eleven comes off as a new mix of Colin Baker's 6th Doctor, and Paul McGann's 8th Doctor. The rapid-fire "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!" from him when the Cloister Bell sounded in The Eleventh Hour was 100% Paul McGann. He has a vanity that is similar in intensity, if not tone, of Colin Baker. There's something about his cadence that hints at Troughton and Tennant. His detachment and bizarre movements come off as a mix of Tom Baker's 4th Doctor and Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean. He has the breathless enthusiasm of Peter Davison's 5th Doctor, and given his style of mini-outburst about "humans" in last Saturday's episode, hints of Eccleston's bottled rage issues.
All that said, there's something new about what Smith is doing. He's just so effortless in his portrayal. I'm really interested to see where they take the incarnation...
P.S. Hey Ray! I'm glad you're here to chat about Who! How's construction work in NYC?
Episodes leading into each other is a throwback to Peter Davison's era, as well as Hartnell's. Moffat's favorite Doctor is Peter, so there's that.
Matt Smith said Moffat gave him a single episode from each Doctor to watch. Smith loved Troughton in Tomb of the Cybermen, thus his insistence on the bow-tie and outfit.
As for his mannerisms, I too detect some hints of Ten in there. I think that's up to (A) Moffat still writing him a little like Tennant, and (B) probably to ease the pain and try and attract the tweens. Either way, it's in such small doses I just chalk it up to the "new" period. Remember, Tennant was very Eccleston in his first few episodes, too.
Mainly, though, Number Eleven comes off as a new mix of Colin Baker's 6th Doctor, and Paul McGann's 8th Doctor. The rapid-fire "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!" from him when the Cloister Bell sounded in The Eleventh Hour was 100% Paul McGann. He has a vanity that is similar in intensity, if not tone, of Colin Baker. There's something about his cadence that hints at Troughton and Tennant. His detachment and bizarre movements come off as a mix of Tom Baker's 4th Doctor and Johnny Depp's Captain Jack Sparrow from Pirates of the Caribbean. He has the breathless enthusiasm of Peter Davison's 5th Doctor, and given his style of mini-outburst about "humans" in last Saturday's episode, hints of Eccleston's bottled rage issues.
All that said, there's something new about what Smith is doing. He's just so effortless in his portrayal. I'm really interested to see where they take the incarnation...
P.S. Hey Ray! I'm glad you're here to chat about Who! How's construction work in NYC?
So far, I've only seen 1 1/2 episodes of the 11th Doctor's era, but I'm enjoying it quite a lot. So's my 4-year old, who adapted quite well to the change-over (mind you he also enjoys the Classic Doctors, so I guess I shouldn't be that surprised). My son however blew me away with his impromptue impersonation of the 11th Doc's "Apples to Fish Custard" scene.
Getting back to your point. I don't know why, but I see a bit of Michael Palin in Matt's portayal of the Doctor.
Another fun episode. New Daleks, though there really wasn't anything wrong with the previous ones design wise. I'm happy to have an episode end without the complete destruction of the Dalek race just to have them turn up again in a few episodes. Looks like they're going to rebuild the pepper pots to their classic Who glory.
The call names Broadsword and Danny Boy are references to Where Eagles Dare in which the line 'Broadsword calling Danny Boy' is repeated by a character who shares the name the Doctor occasionally adopts - John Smith.
I thought it was pretty good for what it was. It's obvious that Gatiss thought he was still writing for RTD; how does someone stop a bomb from exploding? Convince him he's human. Sure. What? That was cheesy.
Moffat's worship of the Cushing movies and its 60's aesthetics couldn't be more obvious (other than the TARDIS itself) than the new breed of toy tie-ins....I MEAN--....Daleks. Wow. The Cult of Crayola? Day-glo Gay Pride Rainbox colors, large and fat. Based on Russel?
The actor playing Churchill was fun to watch, but even I could tell he was playing a caricature rather than the historical figure. Not to mention, he was way too large for Winston at that time period. Later, I think the actual historical hero himself got stuck in a bathtub during his twilight years. He went out eating. That's a real man.
Matt Smith continues to be ultimately brilliant as The Doctor, and Karen's hot ass is a solid companion. I like her quirky, background status to Smith's epic stride. His intensity in this episode reminded me of Eccleston. A lot. Well played, Mr. Smith.
So...Amy doesn't remember the Dalek invasions? I think I'm starting to get what Moffat is going for. My theory right now is that the Doctor will do something near the end of the season, probably in the finale, that will cause the cracks in the universe. It will also alter the timeline in some way where the "genie" goes back into the "bottle", and the Doctor Who universe Earth has no memory or record of alien invasion. Thus, back to square-one where everything alien is new to humans and the planet. How this will affect Torchwood and things like that, I don't know.
Also, I have a feeling Amy has something to do with it. I think the brief moment we see of her "dream" in the season opener where she's the little Amelia waiting on the Doctor to return. I think that's an indication that maybe the Doc goes back to pick up Amy when she's a child, thus crossing his own timeline and causing a schism in the universe? I don't know. Just guessing.
Next week looks really good! However, I'm hesitant with River coming back. Only in that Kingston is showing her age, and I hate the way she exaggerates every syllable when River tries to be "clever". But, hey, the Quantum Angels are back. So, rock on!
I'm hoping that the crack in spacetime is Moffat clearing up RTD's Waters of Mars hanging plot. I really do think that the Doctor's actions in that episode really need to be drastic.
Caught it straight away, but couldnt remember what it was from initially. Then of course I realised it was Richard Burtons voice saying it in my head.
The Broadsword part caught my attention, but I was thinking that maybe it was a real WWII codename for an operation. Forgot the movie, which is awesome, and written by the same guy who wrote the story that Guns of Navarone was adapted from.
Caught it straight away, but couldnt remember what it was from initially. Then of course I realised it was Richard Burtons voice saying it in my head.
The Broadsword part caught my attention, but I was thinking that maybe it was a real WWII codename for an operation. Forgot the movie, which is awesome, and written by the same guy who wrote the story that Guns of Navarone was adapted from.
I really enjoyed the episode. The bit with the android doctor was a little too emotional (I agree with Pro it felt very RTD) but the ending where they let him get away instead of "tragically" turning him off was a nice surprise. Churchill trying to steal the Tardis key was also a nice touch. Overall I thought the episode was clever. The Daleks using deception and fetching tea waiting for the Doctor to explode was a nice change of pace. I even liked the new colors because I read that (conceptually at least) it's like Starfleet where the colors mean different positions.
Matt Smith is obviously getting his footing as the Doctor, the bit with the cookie was brilliantly done. I especially liked how once it was revealed he just ate the cookie and protested that he was promised tea. I really loved the fact that the Doctor seems to be over the time war. There was no speech about how they always survive when the time lords don't, or how unfair it was. He just said very calmly and matter of factly "I'm always worried about the Daleks." I'm really looking forward to next week's episode. River Song and the Weeping Angels should make for a great story.
Of two "Doctor Who" questions, Gaiman answered that his favorite in the lead was #2. "Patrick Troughton was my Doctor," he said. Later, when asked whether he'd ever want to write an episode of the series, the audience began tittering before Gaiman could respond. "I would love to write for Doctor Who so much, that I wrote an episode," he said, recapping the long-rumored and recently-confirmed project. Gaiman said that his episode was meant to be the eleventh of the current season, but budgetary constraints pushed it to series six, "when they have more money." He also added that, now that show runner Stephen Moffatt has confirmed the existence of the episode in interviews, the writer is free to reveal all of the details Moffatt has: "It will be on television, it is in color."
hmmm, wasnt overly impressed with tonights episode. still cant see much difference between Smith and Tennant, but Gillan is by far the best companion so far.
I liked the episode. Not great, but still good. More development of the characters than about the villain. I still don't see Smith as being just like Tennant. He's no more like Tennant than Tennant was Eccleston or Eccleston was Baker/McCoy/whoever. Some similarities, yes. But overall, I see Smith as being more reserved and less over the top and gnashing of teeth than Tennant was. He's more like Troughton, I'd say.
Exactly. It's bizarre how anyone could see them being all that alike. Everything about Smith is different. Hell, tonight's episode alone was pointing out, more than obviously, how flawed his incarnation is versus "Perfect Ten". Tennant's Doc rarely ever got anything wrong, while Smith walked them into the angel's nest.
And this current episode? Fucking awesome! Best Moffat episode ever.
And I cant understand how anyone one can see him as totally different. Eccleston and Tennant were polar opposites, Tennant and Smith are almost identical in the mannerisms, with only a few differences.
Oh and just one point about the episode that I thought was incredibly weak was the whole thing with all the statues being angels. Firstly, it was so obvious that was gonna happen the minute they continued that needle/haystack thing. And secondly, why the hell it took them so long to work out they only had one head is beyond me. As soon as The Doctor mentioned the two heads are better than one line, I said "Well why have all the angels got one head then? Work it out."
The set up was way too obvious. Pretty poor writing in my opinion. Just as the obvious thing to do with the tv screen wasnt to turn it off when the video glitched, the obvious thing to do, would have been to smash the fucking screen.
And secondly, why the hell it took them so long to work out they only had one head is beyond me. As soon as The Doctor mentioned the two heads are better than one line, I said "Well why have all the angels got one head then? Work it out."
the Doctor mentioned a "low level perception filter." work it out.
What do you call three Doctor Who fans debating the merits of the TV series? You don't! Nobody does. That's why they sit at home on Saturday night's crying into their pillow cases!
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And secondly, why the hell it took them so long to work out they only had one head is beyond me. As soon as The Doctor mentioned the two heads are better than one line, I said "Well why have all the angels got one head then? Work it out."
the Doctor mentioned a "low level perception filter." work it out.
Pretty pathetic really. Why give something away so early? Once they 'revealed' it, then all the suspense was gone.
Another feeling I got from this whole episode is that it was geared for the US market, with a totally unrealistic view of the UK!
How so?
Village Greens, lots of white people - all speaking perfect English.
It didn't take anything away from the overall episode but the BBC is so PC, I was so surprised not to see any darkies, or idiotic white cunts speaking with a dumbass west indian/Jamaican accent.
It's great to have something to look forward to watching on the TV!
This series has got gradually better, although Smith and the girl have been great from day one!
If I had to draw comparrisons between Doctors, I would say Smith is closer to Eccleston, than he is to cuntface tennant.
God I fucking hated tennant as the Doctor.
Prommy said it to me best, Eccleston and Smith are the Doctor, cuntbrain is just some jobbing actor, trying to act(not a direct quote).
Prom also posted something about how fallible this Doctor is, which harkens back to past Doctors and one of the many reasons I am ecstatic that Tennant is gone. It seems to a bit of a theme, River flies the Tardis better than he does and he was pretty quick to try and lobotomise the Space Whale in the second episode.
Which leads me to Pond, I don't feel as offended seeing her outsmart the Doctor or enemy, as I did when Rose would do the same thing.
With all it's faults mentioned, I still enjoyed the England space station.
I loved the concept of the third episode - I didn't even recognise Ian McNiece, he's gotten so fat and old. I liked how the new Daleks destroyed the old inferior models and that they didn't scream or complain about it. Having never really found the Daleks a threat, I must say the revamped Who has changed my opinion of them.
I fucking loved the latest episode! Exciting beginning with the River escape. Weeping Angels remind me of watching Who as a kid, very scary. Loved the 'Ring' scene. Best part for me, was the Angels killing the young soldier and talking to the Doctor through him - Creepy as hell and a superb bit of acting from Smith.
Nowhereman called it though with regards to the 2 heads - should have dropped that a bit, later on in the Story! My 7 year old nephew jumped on that straight away!
It's great to have something to look forward to watching on the TV!
This series has got gradually better, although Smith and the girl have been great from day one!
If I had to draw comparrisons between Doctors, I would say Smith is closer to Eccleston, than he is to cuntface tennant.
God I fucking hated tennant as the Doctor.
Prommy said it to me best, Eccleston and Smith are the Doctor, cuntbrain is just some jobbing actor, trying to act(not a direct quote).
This man is correct on all points! Tennant played The Doctor, Eccleston was The Doctor. I think as time passed, Tennant's performance just became too "self-aware". You can chalk a lot of that up to RTD's lazy writing. And, no matter what he says, I don't believe RTD ever felt comfortable in publicly expressing love for Doctor Who. I think he left in a little "wink-wink, no I think this is all silly" in his scripts that just made it more and more obvious that he didn't take the show seriously. If this episode proves anything, it's that Moffat takes it seriously. It's real drama, real action, and real plot. A sense of serious storytelling with only the characters as "fantastical".
Also, just thinking about this new Doctor, I like how inaccessible he is. Tennant was so very domestic, thanks to Rose corrupting his ass. But, now he reminds me more of all Doctor's before Ten. He's not immediately forthcoming with intimacy.
"River, hug Amy."
"Why?"
"Because I'm busy..."
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Which leads me to Pond, I don't feel as offended seeing her outsmart the Doctor or enemy, as I did when Rose would do the same thing.
That's because Amy isn't so damn smug about it, unlike Rose. Amy is way more "Ace", if you get the context of my meaning. She's there for the adventure, and is tough enough not to always need The Doctor...
"I don't need you to die for me, Doctor. I'm not that clingy." Awesome.
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I fucking loved the latest episode! Exciting beginning with the River escape. Weeping Angels remind me of watching Who as a kid, very scary. Loved the 'Ring' scene. Best part for me, was the Angels killing the young soldier and talking to the Doctor through him - Creepy as hell and a superb bit of acting from Smith.
Tennant did a good job in the role, he certainly cared about the character having been a fan since he was a kid. Unfortunately as RTD started to go batshit crazy that effected Tennant's portrayal since he had inferior scripts and production. Eccleston to me was just a guy who didn't give a shit about Doctor Who and picked up the role as a laugh. He had the shortest (voluntary) tenure and never really had enough to time to make the role his own.
Eccleston, I think, benefited from not being a Who fan and immersed in all the history. He really was the kind of guy that the reboot needed to start a fresh, new era. Tennant was good. I think, like Ray, that the RTD scripts just got bad. Even Tom Baker couldn't save every bad Who script he had to trudge through. Smith isn't like Tennant, no matter what the ginger poofter says. He has some 'Doctoresque' traits that run through many Doctors, but he's not really copying anyone, especially not Tennant. Also, has no one caught the crazy serendipity of the Doctor being played by a guy named Smith?
As for the two headed angels, or lack thereof, I'm kinda thinking it was on purpose. The audience hears the Doctor's line about two heads but can clearly see the statues only have one. Could it be Moffat wanted the audience to realize it before the Doctor and the red shirts? I see it much the same way as some slasher movies let you know where the killer is before the victim as it builds the tension as the victim draws closer to his/her doom. "Don't go in the basement! He's got an axe!"
As for the two headed angels, or lack thereof, I'm kinda thinking it was on purpose. The audience hears the Doctor's line about two heads but can clearly see the statues only have one. Could it be Moffat wanted the audience to realize it before the Doctor and the red shirts? I see it much the same way as some slasher movies let you know where the killer is before the victim as it builds the tension as the victim draws closer to his/her doom. "Don't go in the basement! He's got an axe!"
I was thinking something similar that Moffat was doing it for the kids - my nephew loved picking up on the fact that the statues only had one head!
Tennant's first two years were great, it was only post-Martha when RTD was more interested in melodrama and Catherine Tate that his performance suffered. As Doctor mentioned Tom Baker, most of season 18 is pretty bad. But Tennant did some great episodes and shouldn't be blamed for production failings. Even in the worst episodes he showed up and put energy into the role because he genuinely cared.
Eccleston not being a Who fan isn't a problem for me so much as the lack of comittment he had to the show. The Doctor is an established role like Bond or Batman, you win the part and then stick with it. Eccleston is George Lazenby, he can't be called good or bad because he shot his wad in one series. You can't say how he would've done 2-3 years in.
Smith is doing a great job. There are certainly touches of past Doctors but he's clearly making his own unique mark.
gotta disagree. Tennant's first year was awful. he did get better, but he still never brought me into his characterization.
plus, RTD had melodrama all throughout the series. it was a constant first with Rose and then with Martha. it was overwhelming at times. RTD pretty much constantly beat you over the head with melodrama throughout the series. it was a big turnoff for me.
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Eccleston not being a Who fan isn't a problem for me so much as the lack of comittment he had to the show. The Doctor is an established role like Bond or Batman, you win the part and then stick with it. Eccleston is George Lazenby, he can't be called good or bad because he shot his wad in one series. You can't say how he would've done 2-3 years in.
Not a very good analogy - Lazenby/Eccleston! Lazenby was a model who did a 2 hour film, Eccleston is an established actor, who shone in 13 episodes!
Who here has said how well Eccleston would have done in 2-3 years in? I haven't.
Whilst I couldn't watch tennant at the time, I have since watched all of his adventures. Some of the stories were near perfect and would have been perfect if tennant wasn't the Doctor!
No way, can tennant be compared to Tom Baker in charisma - Baker had to walk through far more crappy adventures than tennant did but Baker was still interesting. For me, tennant was the downfall of his episodes!
You say season 18, don't you mean season 17 - that was a shitfest!
Not a very good analogy - Lazenby/Eccleston! Lazenby was a model who did a 2 hour film, Eccleston is an established actor, who shone in 13 episodes!
Who here has said how well Eccleston would have done in 2-3 years in? I haven't.
I never said anyone did say that. My point is that you can't say someone was good in a role that traditionally is played for several years. The role of the Doctor is a bit of a marathon. All the greats have been great for more than 13 episodes. Tom Baker isn't the best Doctor because season 12 was great, but because he maintained a level of quality for 7 years. I'm not saying Eccleston was bad, I enjoy his episodes quite a bit, but I never liked the fact that he so casually chose to take up a famous role and then cast it aside so quickly. It's kind of demeaning to the franchise and it's a waste of a regeneration. This may be an issue in 10 years when the Thirteenth Doctor wants to leave. I don't really know Bond so my analogy was based on the limited portrayal time vs the number of movies other Bond actors did.
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Whilst I couldn't watch tennant at the time, I have since watched all of his adventures. Some of the stories were near perfect and would have been perfect if tennant wasn't the Doctor!
No way, can tennant be compared to Tom Baker in charisma - Baker had to walk through far more crappy adventures than tennant did but Baker was still interesting. For me, tennant was the downfall of his episodes!
Well that I guess comes down to personal preference. I liked his first two seasons. To me they just worked well. I found his high energy performance to be entertaining and since I'm a newcomer to the show he's the first current Doctor I watched.
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You say season 18, don't you mean season 17 - that was a shitfest!
Baker's last season. the only one I skimmed through. He looked old and tired (probably because he'd been told by the new producer to tune down the humor). The stories generally felt a bit too safe. Not scary, not funny, just safe boring sci-fi. Which I think is akin to the last two years of David Tennant. An actor given shit scripts can only do so much.
Eh, if McGann can do one movie and be the 8th Doctor, Eccles run of thirteen doesn't bother me. Do I wish he had stayed? God yes! But, given his appeal certainly wouldn't have been as widespread as Tennant (who had the added advantages of having the "right" accent, and being a tween heartthrob) who's to say Who would have become as popular as it is now? I guess, if anything, Season Two should have DEFINITELY been Eccleston. His story should have ended with Rose's, since she and Tennant sucked balls.
I really, really hope we see Eccleston again as The Doctor. He was so incredible in the part.
Meanwhile, I'm loving Matt Smith. He couldn't be more "The Doctor" if he tried...
Tennant didnt have the "right" accent as it wasnt even his own accent. It was called "acting". And quite frankly, I dont understand what you mean by "right" accent anyway.
We will never really know what the RTD/Eccleston deal was. I would say that they wanted a 'name' to restart the franchise because twat tennant was a nobody(and as far as I am concerned should have remained one).
As we have mentioned, Eccleston was not a Who fan, so didn't know or care about the long term. Irregardless, the way that gaylord RTD was about tennant, you know he had him earmarked for the part right from the start!
Eccleston did more in those 13 episodes than tennant did in his 40+!
And PLEASE, do you really think that there will be no more than 13 doctors? When that part of the Mythos was thought up, no one envisioned the series running so long!
But you really need to learn your classic Who! I have watched Tom Bakers 7 years, over and over and over again!
Season 17 is by far the weakest - don't believe me, then you should look up what other fans have said! It's weak because most of the budget for the season was put into 2 stories - one of which, would never air. SHADA! The rest of the season after the dodgy Dalek story(The Movelans would not seem out of place of RTDs tenure), were all studio based green screen craptaculars!
Season 18 does start off weakly with the first 2 adventures but Tombos new look is quite striking!
Tom and Lalla then go off to Espace for a trilogy that I love and loved since I was a kid. Like much of Who, the ideas are great but stories suffer from padding and forced cliff hangers. Full circle has a great twist, in State of decay we learn that vampires are a timelord enemy and in Warriors gate, the Doctor visits the Ghost Zone.
Then the final 2 stories, Keeper of Trakken and Logopolis - the re-introduction of the Master, introduction of the cloister bell and the joint best(with Peter Davisons)regeneration scene, amongst other things I am too lazy to go into!
The thing I feel about Tom Bakers tenure is that he had a very strong 3 and a half year run as the Doctor. Things weakened a little with the Sunmakers and then totally went gay with final story - The Invasion of Time! Padded out to buggery!
Season 16 was the Key to time, which I feel didn't work because they tried to tie everyting in, to what was a weak story to begin with!
Season 17 - budget hell.
Season 18 - things got better but I think that the production team did want Baker to go already but knew that fans didn't - but Tombo had decided to leave!
Ray, you just can not compare Tennant to Baker. A lot of Bakers stories were far worse than tennants but Baker still made them watchable. tennant made his good stories unwatchable!
But there is a comparrison to be made - Baker and tennant are hams. Hamming is not as easy as people think! It comes naturally for Baker and Blessed, it doesn't for tennant!
That is because tennant is a gay ginger scotch cunt.
Tennant didnt have the "right" accent as it wasnt even his own accent. It was called "acting". And quite frankly, I dont understand what you mean by "right" accent anyway.
I don't understand what prommy means about the accent either!
I, would have preferred tennant to speak with his natural jock accent, because what he used as the doctor, reminded me of a mix of Frank Spencer and Larry Grayson!
This makes it hard for me to explain to international fans why I hate tennant. because it is amongst MANY other things, his stupid fake fucking cunt accent!
I think if the US fans were actually English, you could hear what a fake he sounds - it's almost as bad as most of the young white population of the UK now speaking with their fake west indian slang!
This makes it hard for me to explain to international fans why I hate tennant. because it is amongst MANY other things, his stupid fake fucking cunt accent!
I don't quite get why his accent is wrong, but I do understand what you're saying. It's a lot like when an actor uses a southern accent for a movie or TV show. I hear it and think, "Jesus, this mother fucker needs to travel a bit more before trying that."
But there is a comparrison to be made - Baker and tennant are hams. Hamming is not as easy as people think! It comes naturally for Baker and Blessed, it doesn't for tennant!
Just this weekend I was at a friends house who has been resistant to Doctor Who for years but has slowly started to come around due to me showing him the first Hartnell episode and the Eccleston's series. He instant watched The Pyramids of Mars from his Netflix account and loved it. He about laughed his ass off at Baker's hamming it up and is probably going to start queing up more classic who.
This makes it hard for me to explain to international fans why I hate tennant. because it is amongst MANY other things, his stupid fake fucking cunt accent!
I don't quite get why his accent is wrong, but I do understand what you're saying. It's a lot like when an actor uses a southern accent for a movie or TV show. I hear it and think, "Jesus, this mother fucker needs to travel a bit more before trying that."
Thanks Doctor for deciphering my post - I'm not very articulate because I only ever post when I'm off my tits!
But that's exactly what I mean!
His accent isn't wrong, it's just obviously not his own and it really grates!
It's old hat to hate Americans doing british accents - I fucking hate brits doing American accents! Where the fuck are they getting it from?
But there is a comparrison to be made - Baker and tennant are hams. Hamming is not as easy as people think! It comes naturally for Baker and Blessed, it doesn't for tennant!
Just this weekend I was at a friends house who has been resistant to Doctor Who for years but has slowly started to come around due to me showing him the first Hartnell episode and the Eccleston's series. He instant watched The Pyramids of Mars from his Netflix account and loved it. He about laughed his ass off at Baker's hamming it up and is probably going to start queing up more classic who.
I really love hearing of new fans who can look past the shatty effects of the original Who!
I love Jon Pertwee as the Doctor but only Day of the Daleks holds up I feel!
Whereas Tom Baker, we have Pyramids, Robots of Death, Deadly Assassin, City of Death and Talons of Weng Chiang & Geneisis(though for new fans I thing they could have been 4 parters) that are still really enjoyable for new fans!
Your point about your friend enjoying watching Baker romp around is what I was trying to explain to Ray Man - my inability, not Ray mans lack of understanding!
Just watching Tombo was fun! I was five years old when I started watching Who, yet I didn;t have the foggiest what was going on, other than the tall, bug eyed, big teeth, curly haired weirdo travelling around in a box that was bigger on the inside!
Talking of Blessed, they've got him commentating on one of those crazy japanese stunt shows - I don't even watch the thing, I just listen!
ps. We have a comedy current affairs program that's been runningnigh on 20 years, the regular present left about 5 years ago after fucking some hooker! So they've had guest presenters ever since! The best ever...., A draw between Tom Baker and Brian Blessed!
It took him a while to get over the shitty effects, but I told him that they show up worse than other sci-fi like Trek because it was mostly video and not processed film. I also had to keep reminding him that no matter how much I love the classic Who, it was a kids show, which surprised him after watching Pyramids. It was Hartnell being the grumpy old man that got him interested as he didn't expect that (friends in college that were Who fans mostly ran on and on about Baker and Davidson).
Also, a lot of people say that the Douglas Adams era was the height of Tom's Who. Bullshit! Hinchcliffe/Holmes was the best of the best for Baker. Pyramids, Talons, Deadly Assassin, Robots of Death. Those are my favorites.
Tennant didnt have the "right" accent as it wasnt even his own accent. It was called "acting". And quite frankly, I dont understand what you mean by "right" accent anyway.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the "Northern"/Welsh accent considered akin to a Mississippi/southern accent here? If so....and that's the notion I've gotten from Brits on other boards...that would immediately put Eccles in a class-disadvantage in terms of broad popularity. Tennant (which I had forgotten he was faking it) is doing something close to a "Received Pronunciation", like C.Baker-to-Hartnell.
Of course, feel free to enlighten me here. I have genuinely believed that's why they gave the whole "Lots of planets have a north" line in Rose...
Yes, you are wrong. West country and Welsh, yes, but not northerners. There isnt just one northern accent anyway. Liverpool, Newcastle and Yorkshire for instance, are all markedly different.
The northern accent thing is more just a north/south rivalry, more akin to America/Canada.
The simple fact is, over here, an accent does not effect popularity.
The two most popular soap operas in this country are Eastenders and Coronation Street. One is based in the south, the other in the north. They are as equally popular in their own region and their 'rival' region.
Me calling Eccleston a northern monkey, is the general insult to anyone from 'oop nort', just as they would refer to anyone from 'darn sarf' as a soft southern poof.
It certainly does not effect popularity on tv. Even Welsh people have success on tv, and they are all sheep shagging cunts.
Yes, you are wrong. West country and Welsh, yes, but not northerners. There isnt just one northern accent anyway. Liverpool, Newcastle and Yorkshire for instance, are all markedly different.
The northern accent thing is more just a north/south rivalry, more akin to America/Canada.
The simple fact is, over here, an accent does not effect popularity.
The two most popular soap operas in this country are Eastenders and Coronation Street. One is based in the south, the other in the north. They are as equally popular in their own region and their 'rival' region.
Me calling Eccleston a northern monkey, is the general insult to anyone from 'oop nort', just as they would refer to anyone from 'darn sarf' as a soft southern poof.
It certainly does not effect popularity on tv. Even Welsh people have success on tv, and they are all sheep shagging cunts.
OH! That is actually enlightening, CC. I honestly had no idea. I've been under the illusion of a swapped 'Yankees / Confederacy' relationship. Okay, then I retract my point about Tennant having the popular accent, and Eccleston having a less popular one. The rest? Still stands...
We will never really know what the RTD/Eccleston deal was. I would say that they wanted a 'name' to restart the franchise because twat tennant was a nobody(and as far as I am concerned should have remained one).
As we have mentioned, Eccleston was not a Who fan, so didn't know or care about the long term. Irregardless, the way that gaylord RTD was about tennant, you know he had him earmarked for the part right from the start!
That seems like a lot of speculation based on your opinions. Tennant did audition for the part of 9 but lost to Eccleston. Any sort of backroom deals/conspiracy is up to debate.
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Eccleston did more in those 13 episodes than tennant did in his 40+!
That's pure opinion. The reason why you can make that judgement is because Tennant gave 40+ episodes for you to review. I compare Eccleston to someone running the 100 meter dash versus Tennant doing a marathon. It's harder to maintain quality over the course of several series as opposed to one. I enjoy Eccleston's year as the Doctor but don't think it's enough to qualify him for ranking. Fan or not Eccleston knew that he was taking on a legacy and he treated it somewhat frivilously. I really like his episodes, they were the first ones I watched and got me into the show. But still, commitment is important.
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And PLEASE, do you really think that there will be no more than 13 doctors? When that part of the Mythos was thought up, no one envisioned the series running so long!
I have no doubt there will be a Doctor past Thirteen. The problem is that once they did set that rule down it meant that they'd have to break it at some point. It'll be some kind of magic cheat, or lost time lord tech, either way it'll feel a bit forced.
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But you really need to learn your classic Who! I have watched Tom Bakers 7 years, over and over and over again!
Season 17 is by far the weakest - don't believe me, then you should look up what other fans have said! It's weak because most of the budget for the season was put into 2 stories - one of which, would never air. SHADA! The rest of the season after the dodgy Dalek story(The Movelans would not seem out of place of RTDs tenure), were all studio based green screen craptaculars!
Totally disagree. I love the humor of Adams scripts and the cute Romana II as probably the best companion ever.
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Season 18 does start off weakly with the first 2 adventures but Tombos new look is quite striking!
Tom and Lalla then go off to Espace for a trilogy that I love and loved since I was a kid. Like much of Who, the ideas are great but stories suffer from padding and forced cliff hangers. Full circle has a great twist, in State of decay we learn that vampires are a timelord enemy and in Warriors gate, the Doctor visits the Ghost Zone.
Then the final 2 stories, Keeper of Trakken and Logopolis - the re-introduction of the Master, introduction of the cloister bell and the joint best(with Peter Davisons)regeneration scene, amongst other things I am too lazy to go into!
I'm just not a fan of the producer and his edict that Baker tone down the humor. I found these episodes boring and Baker looked bored most of the time.
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The thing I feel about Tom Bakers tenure is that he had a very strong 3 and a half year run as the Doctor. Things weakened a little with the Sunmakers and then totally went gay with final story - The Invasion of Time! Padded out to buggery!
I think most of Baker's run was great. He sold the plots and made them work by being so damned funny and quirky. Even the episode with the giant rat in the sewer worked because Tom Baker is just that good.
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Season 16 was the Key to time, which I feel didn't work because they tried to tie everyting in, to what was a weak story to begin with!
Not a big fan of the season. I liked the idea but think Romana I was a little weak.
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Ray, you just can not compare Tennant to Baker. A lot of Bakers stories were far worse than tennants but Baker still made them watchable. tennant made his good stories unwatchable!
But I like Tennant for the most part. Even series 4 with Donna had it's moments. It goes to taste I guess, I just liked him. The problem for me was that after series 3 RTD just threw in melodrama with zero story to back it up. I don't care what he said about having a master plan from day 1, it was obvious that once the Master episode ended he was scraping bottom.
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But there is a comparrison to be made - Baker and tennant are hams. Hamming is not as easy as people think! It comes naturally for Baker and Blessed, it doesn't for tennant!
That is because tennant is a gay ginger scotch cunt.
Tennant isn't ginger.
Each Doctor has their fans and haters. Personally I actually enjoy Colin baker's first season and could never sit through a single Davison episode. So there you go.
I was never a fan of Peters either, and couldnt stomach McCoys version either.
Bad Prommy!
Don't you know, you're not allowed to ask why people have certain views!
Hey, does anyone know how I feel about tennant as the Doctor?
I quite like Davison, to me, he was the last of the original Doctors! With poor old colly, they started to repeat themselves a little.
Col, really didnt get a fair shake with that costume and that debut story.
McCoys short stature and whimsicality in his first 2 seasons, made one think of the second Doctor but he did come to his own in the final season, something C.B, never got a chance to do!
Thats not what he said at all. He said what is wrong with him, not what do you not like about him, as if to suggest that Peter was someone he should automatically like. And why the hell does he have to justify himself anyway? If he isnt a fan, then he isnt a fan.
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That seems like a lot of speculation based on your opinions.
That's why I said "I Would say...."
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Tennant did audition for the part of 9 but lost to Eccleston. Any sort of backroom deals/conspiracy is up to debate.
And you know this, how? Were you there?
Please don't believe everything you read - you might to take that piece of advice into the real world with you!
rtds story is always changing! In fact, The Eccleston season of Dr Who aired at the same time as cassanova. The way tennant was constantly quizzed about Who whilst promoting Cassanova(we didn't know yet that Eccleston was going to leave at the time), really got me thinking about something was going on behind the scenes. tennant was asked outright if he had gone up for the part - he said he had not. rtd has also said on television that as soon as he saw tennant, he wanted him for the doctor.
rtd has a sort of god complex, he believes he can change or revise history by writing it down.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
That's pure opinion. The reason why you can make that judgement is because Tennant gave 40+ episodes for you to review. I compare Eccleston to someone running the 100 meter dash versus Tennant doing a marathon. It's harder to maintain quality over the course of several series as opposed to one. I enjoy Eccleston's year as the Doctor but don't think it's enough to qualify him for ranking. Fan or not Eccleston knew that he was taking on a legacy and he treated it somewhat frivilously. I really like his episodes, they were the first ones I watched and got me into the show. But still, commitment is important.
I enjoyed watching Eccleston, I did not enjoy watching tennant. I could see 100 episodes of Eccleston and only one of tennant or vice versa, my opinion would be the same.
As I said, we will never know the true story. When they did announce Eccleston, I did wonder how long he would be able to commit - he did have a film career, whereas tennant had nothing.
I, of course would have loved Eccleston to have stayed on but I'm not going to blame him for doing only one season when I don't know the full story.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
I have no doubt there will be a Doctor past Thirteen. The problem is that once they did set that rule down it meant that they'd have to break it at some point. It'll be some kind of magic cheat, or lost time lord tech, either way it'll feel a bit forced.
erm...., you have been watching Dr Who these last few years? Daleks, Ray Man! Daleks!
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I'm just not a fan of the producer and his edict that Baker tone down the humor. I found these episodes boring and Baker looked bored most of the time.
You don't like JNT but you do like rtd?
You're right, Tombo does look tired. I like to think that it was a new direction - the fourth Doctor of the first 4 years was very different to the fourth Doctor in the Adams era. The JNT fourth Doctor could have been the withdrawn era - he did just lose his favourite companion/partner!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
I think most of Baker's run was great. He sold the plots and made them work by being so damned funny and quirky. Even the episode with the giant rat in the sewer worked because Tom Baker is just that good.
You the rat in that story is the only weak point of one of the Fourth Doctors greatest adventures, Talons of Weng-Chiang!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Each Doctor has their fans and haters. Personally I actually enjoy Colin baker's first season and could never sit through a single Davison episode. So there you go.
I liked Colins first season, especially the Cyberman story but it was full of extreme highs & lows and a real wasted opportunity with the 2 doctors - that should have been a much better story. I felt Colin lost his edge and got quite fat for Trial of the timelord!
Thats not what he said at all. He said what is wrong with him, not what do you not like about him, as if to suggest that Peter was someone he should automatically like. And why the hell does he have to justify himself anyway? If he isnt a fan, then he isnt a fan.
Thats not what he said at all. He said what is wrong with him, not what do you not like about him, as if to suggest that Peter was someone he should automatically like. And why the hell does he have to justify himself anyway? If he isnt a fan, then he isnt a fan.
Oh, pull the cock from your ass, Cunty. You know what I mean! If Ray doesn't like him, then there's a reason. What's yours?
It took him a while to get over the shitty effects, but I told him that they show up worse than other sci-fi like Trek because it was mostly video and not processed film. I also had to keep reminding him that no matter how much I love the classic Who, it was a kids show, which surprised him after watching Pyramids. It was Hartnell being the grumpy old man that got him interested as he didn't expect that (friends in college that were Who fans mostly ran on and on about Baker and Davidson).
Also, a lot of people say that the Douglas Adams era was the height of Tom's Who. Bullshit! Hinchcliffe/Holmes was the best of the best for Baker. Pyramids, Talons, Deadly Assassin, Robots of Death. Those are my favorites.
I always say Tom Bakers first 3 and a half years/seasons are his best! But it's really his first 3 years/seasons!
Season 15 is hit and miss!
I don't understand why the Douglas Adams era get's so much praise either - he worked on the dull season 16 and cheap season 17! It really is a one hit wonder but what a hit City of Death was!
Does anyone listen to the audio plays/books? From what I can gather Pertwee did a couple before he died and then there's been a regular series since the late 90's that alternates between 5,6, and 7. But then there's also a whole series for 8? And I guess 10 as well? And I see new ones are coming out for 11? All this plus companion-based ones too? Are any of them worth checking out? And where can I find them on torrent?
I don't understand why the Douglas Adams era get's so much praise either - he worked on the dull season 16 and cheap season 17! It really is a one hit wonder but what a hit City of Death was!
I think for me season 17 plays so well because there was a good chemistry with Romana II and K-9. It just worked.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Does anyone listen to the audio plays/books? From what I can gather Pertwee did a couple before he died and then there's been a regular series since the late 90's that alternates between 5,6, and 7. But then there's also a whole series for 8? And I guess 10 as well? And I see new ones are coming out for 11? All this plus companion-based ones too? Are any of them worth checking out? And where can I find them on torrent?
I find it difficult to sit still listening to them.
I have enjoyed the ones I listen to but there not the sort of thing where I could listen to the same story again very often!
I don't know if I posted this but they did release some stories with different actors playing alternative Doctors!
The one that most interested me was David Warner playing an alternative third Doctor!
The series does feel like the original in respect of almost everyone dies!
Smith did a great bit of acting again with the death of the cleric.
Pond having to escape the weeping angels with her eyes closed was exciting.
Massive allusion of what the River character will do to the Doctor....
I just think that this would have been a superb 1 parter!
...., and the end, I must say Pond is very sexy when she is horny but I really don't like this sexing up of the Doctor! I don't mind the Doctor having a relationship with another timelord but a human.....
I thought it was good. While this series hasn't been been "the greatestestest series ever", I find that it feels more like classic Who; and I like that. I also like how Smith examines things. Just something about his face and eye movements that very quirky.
Watched Mawdrynn Undead, the first story in the Black Guardian trilogy.
I don't think I have seen this since it was first aired!
All I remember is that the Brigadier was in it and the introduction of Turlogh!
I really enjoyed this story - classic Who had this weird way of offering up a really intelligent story like this one and then a really silly one.
I loved stories with continuity, I didn't remember that when the Brig remembers the Doctor, there's a montage of the first 4 and enemies!
The two time zones were a cool thing to do.
It was quite an intelligent plot for Mawdrynn tricking the companions into thinking he was a newly regenerated Doctor - his final mutation was pretty eerie considering the BBCs gypsy effects.
The extras are great with an interview of most of the cast.
And a great little Drama starring the Brig being interviewed by a reporter.
Ooooooo I didn't know that was coming out on DVD already! Of course, I'll have to wait a bit for the US release. But, worth it.
I seem to remember being very put off that The Brig didn't have his stache'. Of course, it made sense later once I realized (A) it was deliberate to give a different "age" to the character, and, (B) the actor never actually had a real mustache...it was always a prop-piece.
BTW, is Nicholas Courtney gay? I'm not sure why, but I get a gay vibe from him these days. Like, he's hiding it from the public or something. I don't know. Is he married or anything?
I was rewatching the last episode and noticed something. When the Doctor leaves Amy with the soldiers, he's not wearing a jacket, says his goodbyes, and then they show her hands and he takes them and tells her to start trusting him and asks her to remember what he said when she was 7. For the whole bit of dialogue they keep the camera focused on their heads but you can see the Doctor is wearing his jacket and has a watch on. Then he leaves and the next time they show him he's with River and not wearing a jacket. I wonder if this is supposed to be him from the future coming back to nudge things along or just a continuity error.
I've checked out the audio plays/books. I enjoy the books a bit more because I think audio needs narration. While it's nice to hear a full audio play with a cast and sound effects it can get confusing at points because you have to guess at a lot. Plus the audio books have Tom Baker and David Tennant who are both great voice actors, Tom Baker especially.
Thats not what he said at all. He said what is wrong with him, not what do you not like about him, as if to suggest that Peter was someone he should automatically like. And why the hell does he have to justify himself anyway? If he isnt a fan, then he isnt a fan.
Oh, pull the cock from your ass, Cunty. You know what I mean! If Ray doesn't like him, then there's a reason. What's yours?
To be fair I haven't really seen too much of Peter Davison's stuff. Like Mccoy I started on his first episode and it didn't really hook me so I never got around to checking the other ones out. Though I only gave Colin a chance because I liked looking at Peri and then actually enjoyed his first season with the longer episodes (I just prefer that format). With Mccoy Mel was the big turn off. I just can't look at her, can't listen to her.
Tonights episode was better, but still had silly weaknesses. Strange that the people of Vienna in the 1500s all spoke perfect English as their first language, and most of them had London accents. Also, you have to wonder why nobody gave their clothes a second glance. If they are saying its some kind of distortion thing like the psychic paper, then why did Amy and the twat need to dress up when they entered the school?
The interaction between Amy and the Doctor is spot on, but the boyfriend was an overly drippy, annoying twat. Cliched in fact.
Tonights episode was better, but still had silly weaknesses. Strange that the people of Vienna in the 1500s all spoke perfect English as their first language, and most of them had London accents. Also, you have to wonder why nobody gave their clothes a second glance. If they are saying its some kind of distortion thing like the psychic paper, then why did Amy and the twat need to dress up when they entered the school?
The Tardis has always telepathically tranlated languages into English. It's been a plot point many times. Their clothes aren't that radicaly. They probably just saw them as foreigners.
shame it cant translate your post into English as well. I will say, if you think that their clothes werent that different to the clothes the 16th century Venitians wore, I think that you are deluding yourself. Especially Amy, as no woman back then would have been showing her legs off.
Nowie, you're forgetting that adler is a san francisco hippie. Facts and historical accuracy don't matter to him. His kind believes that history is what you make of it.
Tonights episode was better, but still had silly weaknesses. Strange that the people of Vienna in the 1500s all spoke perfect English as their first language, and most of them had London accents. Also, you have to wonder why nobody gave their clothes a second glance. If they are saying its some kind of distortion thing like the psychic paper, then why did Amy and the twat need to dress up when they entered the school?
The interaction between Amy and the Doctor is spot on, but the boyfriend was an overly drippy, annoying twat. Cliched in fact.
I agree with Nowhereman. Also, what's with this bullshit about them traveling through space and time? Unbelievable! And this TARDIS thing being bigger on the inside than outside. Impossible!
Dude, I watched this show last year, that Doctor guy was played by a totally different actor.
You've got to be shittin' me. Who the hell would watch a show that did shit like that? I give this show a season. Tops. It'll never last. Especially not for decades.
I followed someone's advice in here (I don't remember which Dr. Who fan it was), and watched Blink, Fear Her, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday, and then went straight to Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone.
I think I'm going to have to do some more research with the backstory, but is the man River Song is going to kill someday The Doctor himself? Or is it just future storyline stuff and I shouldn't pay attention to it yet?
I followed someone's advice in here (I don't remember which Dr. Who fan it was), and watched Blink, Fear Her, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday, and then went straight to Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone.
Fear Her was a horrible episode.
Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
I think I'm going to have to do some more research with the backstory, but is the man River Song is going to kill someday The Doctor himself? Or is it just future storyline stuff and I shouldn't pay attention to it yet?
We haven't been told for sure who River Song killed yet.
I followed someone's advice in here (I don't remember which Dr. Who fan it was), and watched Blink, Fear Her, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday, and then went straight to Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone.
Nice! Now watch:
(2005 Season) Rose End of the World The Unquiet Dead Dalek Empty Child The Doctor Dances Boomtown Bad Wolf Parting of the Ways
(2006 Season) School Reunion Girl in the Fireplace Impossible Planet Satan Pit
(2007 Season) Runaway Bride Smith & Jones Gridlock Human Nature Family of Blood Utopia Sound of Drums Last of the Time Lords
(2008 Season) Partners in Crime Fires of Pompeii Silence in the Library Forest of the Dead Midnight Turn Left The Stolen Earth Journey's End
Tonights episode was better, but still had silly weaknesses. Strange that the people of Vienna in the 1500s all spoke perfect English as their first language, and most of them had London accents. Also, you have to wonder why nobody gave their clothes a second glance. If they are saying its some kind of distortion thing like the psychic paper, then why did Amy and the twat need to dress up when they entered the school?
The interaction between Amy and the Doctor is spot on, but the boyfriend was an overly drippy, annoying twat. Cliched in fact.
I agree with Nowhereman. Also, what's with this bullshit about them traveling through space and time? Unbelievable! And this TARDIS thing being bigger on the inside than outside. Impossible!
And that is why people in the show are weirded out by those concepts. Why is it that people in the show dont take a second glance at future clothing?
She called Rose Tyler a naked child or something like that.
Yet last night, nobody even batted an eyelid at A girl running round with a skirt so short that might as well have been a belt as far as they were concerned.
Also, I got my wife hooked on Doctor Who as well. She has a faster Internet connection at home and may have downloaded more episodes while I'm at work.
She prefers Tennant to Smith, because she remembers him from Goblet of Fire.
She called Rose Tyler a naked child or something like that.
Yet last night, nobody even batted an eyelid at A girl running round with a skirt so short that might as well have been a belt as far as they were concerned.
You're really going to complain about that after nearly fifty years of Who? Having people wonder about the Doctor and his companions' clothes every episode would get as old and boring as RTD's Daleks falling through a 'hole in time' schitck or 'companions have families on Earth that worry about them' bit. It's not something that needs to be revisited every episode.
In episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Dude, I watched this show last year, that Doctor guy was played by a totally different actor.
You've got to be shittin' me. Who the hell would watch a show that did shit like that? I give this show a season. Tops. It'll never last. Especially not for decades.
You're both breaking my brain!
This series does have a lot of weaknesses..., but I'm still loving it!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
To be fair I haven't really seen too much of Peter Davison's stuff. Like Mccoy I started on his first episode and it didn't really hook me so I never got around to checking the other ones out. Though I only gave Colin a chance because I liked looking at Peri and then actually enjoyed his first season with the longer episodes (I just prefer that format). With Mccoy Mel was the big turn off. I just can't look at her, can't listen to her.
McCoy was tough on us all. I can only watch his first 2 years knowing that his third year was pretty good!
You thought Mel was bad, she had terrible rap in the UK, she was so sweet and twee, nobody liked her!
The four episodes format were problematic - too much padding just to get to the cliffhanger! That's why you'd have to have a great character as the Doctor because you had to watch him fuck around doing nothing most of the time!
Ooooooo I didn't know that was coming out on DVD already! Of course, I'll have to wait a bit for the US release. But, worth it.
I seem to remember being very put off that The Brig didn't have his stache'. Of course, it made sense later once I realized (A) it was deliberate to give a different "age" to the character, and, (B) the actor never actually had a real mustache...it was always a prop-piece.
BTW, is Nicholas Courtney gay? I'm not sure why, but I get a gay vibe from him these days. Like, he's hiding it from the public or something. I don't know. Is he married or anything?
Geek alert!
I went to a few Courtney signings and he had his eye on the young girls, just as Aldred had her eyes on the good looking guys! He was married with kids but I saw him a few times in London with much younger women!
He never did much after Who, I remember him being in that Michael Winner Film with Bullseye with Michael Caine and Roger Moore!
As I said, the extras are pretty good for Brig fans!
She called Rose Tyler a naked child or something like that.
Yet last night, nobody even batted an eyelid at A girl running round with a skirt so short that might as well have been a belt as far as they were concerned.
You're really going to complain about that after nearly fifty years of Who? Having people wonder about the Doctor and his companions' clothes every episode would get as old and boring as RTD's Daleks falling through a 'hole in time' schitck or 'companions have families on Earth that worry about them' bit. It's not something that needs to be revisited every episode.
Considering most of the current run of Who since its return has been set in the modern day, I'd hardly call it 'every episode'.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
In episode 2F09, when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Considering some of the shit you lot complain about 'Oh, he uses the screwdriver too much' etc, my complaints are downright un-nerdly.
She called Rose Tyler a naked child or something like that.
Yet last night, nobody even batted an eyelid at A girl running round with a skirt so short that might as well have been a belt as far as they were concerned.
You're really going to complain about that after nearly fifty years of Who? Having people wonder about the Doctor and his companions' clothes every episode would get as old and boring as RTD's Daleks falling through a 'hole in time' schitck or 'companions have families on Earth that worry about them' bit. It's not something that needs to be revisited every episode.
Considering most of the current run of Who since its return has been set in the modern day, I'd hardly call it 'every episode'.
You're still bitching about something that's pretty much a given for Who. Did you ever bitch during Tom's run about all the alien races that speak English with a British accent? Or about them questioning the Doctor and his companions' clothes (I would think that most of the guys would say something about Leela's, though not complaining)? As I've said, it's one of those things that most uncunty fans have come to accept and suspend disbelief just as they have with the other basic concepts of the show (time travel/TARDIS/etc.).
McCoy rocked with Ace, and the TVM. Both show the potential he has/had for a very dark, manipulative Doctor. I've grown to love him, so.
Originally Posted By: ROY BATTY
Geek alert!
I went to a few Courtney signings and he had his eye on the young girls, just as Aldred had her eyes on the good looking guys! He was married with kids but I saw him a few times in London with much younger women!
OKAY! See, I wasn't certain. Every so often I picked up that vibe from him. But, sounds more like he's a ladies man. Nice! Love me some Brigadier. You just watch, though. Nick Courtney will fucking DIE before they get him back. Sure, he's appeared in the SJA. But, that's NOT Doctor Who. Dammit.
And I'd fuck Sophie Aldred. Even now.
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Their doing a Kamelion box set!
Wow! Hard-up for boxsets, aren't they? A boxset for the two episodes we saw him? The robot that never worked?
I figured there would be a Kamelion figure. They've been avoiding the older companions because of the hassle to get permission from the actors but no such problem with robots like k-9 and kamelion. Character Options also did a Master figure from Tom Baker's only solo story.
I totally expect, and want the following from them, as figures:
Susan Jamie Jo Sarah-Jane (young) Romana I/II Tegan Peri Ace The Brigadier/Bessie two-pack The Master (Roger Delgado) The Master (Anthony Ainley) The Master (Eric Roberts)
Okay, how the HELL did I forget Leela? OF COURSE Leela!
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
I totally expect, and want the following from them, as figures:
The Master (Eric Roberts)
Eh. I've learned to open my heart over the years. In retrospect, I never judged Anthony Ainely as harshly. So, yeah,. Roberts would be cool to see again, if only to see how he would play it this time. And a figure is a completest's dream...
I totally expect, and want the following from them, as figures:
Susan Jamie Jo Sarah-Jane (young) Romana I/II Tegan Peri Ace The Brigadier/Bessie two-pack The Master (Roger Delgado) The Master (Anthony Ainley) The Master (Eric Roberts)
Tegan but not Nyssa?
And what about your favourite companion ever - Andric?
Again, I have't seen this since it was first shown!
All I remember about it, is Nyssa wearing a very flimsy top, showing a lot of cleavage & shape of her lovely little tits and taking her skirt off - there was a lot of dodgy camera shots - down her blouse and up her skirt!
And I remember the Garm.
It was padded to fuckery, with Tegan and Turlogh stuck in a narrow passage under the floor for most of the Story!
Nyssa wandering around skirtless, showing as much cleavage as her small titties permit!
Pete was as charming as ever - I do see Matt Smith immitating him at times, that I would never have noticed had I not started watching these old stories again.
you are like the battered housewife of Who, Dev. no matter how bad it gets, you still proclaim your love for it.
It's not Who's fault! It was drinking during the 80's....and...and, okay, it left me there for awhile in the 90's.....but, it was so it could get its head on straight and--...listen, it's been back since 2005, and has never onc-...well, I mean, it had some moments, but that was MY fault! It's been really good to me.....
Again, I haven't seen this since it was first shown!
All I remember about it, is Nyssa wearing a very flimsy top, showing a lot of cleavage & shape of her lovely little tits and taking her skirt off - there was a lot of dodgy camera shots - down her blouse and up her skirt!
And I remember the Garm.
It was padded to fuckery, with Tegan and Turlogh stuck in a narrow passage under the floor for most of the Story!
Nyssa wandering around skirtless, showing as much cleavage as her small titties permit!
Pete was as charming as ever - I do see Matt Smith immitating him at times, that I would never have noticed had I not started watching these old stories again.
Not classic Who but I have seen a lot worse!
Yeah, Terminus is when Nyssa becomes "a woman". And then leaves the show at the end. And did you notice the little peck she gave The Doctor? I imagine she tried to lose her virginity to Adric, but he was too busy shining his badge for homosexual excellence. She wanted to show the Doc how to use that celery, what's up!
As for the figures, I only want the "primary" companions for each Doc. Tegan is more Davison, to me, than Adric or Nyssa. The latter two came during Tombo's run, so Tegan is the first 5th Doctor's companion to me...
Again, I have't seen this since it was first shown!
All I remember about it, is Nyssa wearing a very flimsy top, showing a lot of cleavage & shape of her lovely little tits and taking her skirt off - there was a lot of dodgy camera shots - down her blouse and up her skirt!
And I remember the Garm.
It was padded to fuckery, with Tegan and Turlogh stuck in a narrow passage under the floor for most of the Story!
Nyssa wandering around skirtless, showing as much cleavage as her small titties permit!
Pete was as charming as ever - I do see Matt Smith immitating him at times, that I would never have noticed had I not started watching these old stories again.
you are like the battered housewife of Who, Dev. no matter how bad it gets, you still proclaim your love for it.
It's not Who's fault! It was drinking during the 80's....and...and, okay, it left me there for awhile in the 90's.....but, it was so it could get its head on straight and--...listen, it's been back since 2005, and has never onc-...well, I mean, it had some moments, but that was MY fault! It's been really good to me.....
......what? Why are you looking at me like that?
just say the word, ma'am. we can end this right now.
As for the figures, I only want the "primary" companions for each Doc. Tegan is more Davison, to me, than Adric or Nyssa. The latter two came during Tombo's run, so Tegan is the first 5th Doctor's companion to me...
That's an interesting way of looking at things.
Can't say that I disliked or liked Tegan. That top she wears for this season really doesn't do her any favours!
I kind of liked Nyssa.
I didn't like Adric but I didn't hate him either. I think I didn't hate him because he died - so rare to see a companion die, felt sorry for the poofter!
Like the stone angels thingee, I felt they gave away too much early on with the realities, and which was the real one. The thing that gave it all away for me was the bit when the gimp asked if a star burning cold could actually happen.
I hope the gimp isnt a permanent feature. He is fucking annoying.
Was looking for a Katy Perry parody video that Gillan did for a comedy show, and sadly it doesnt seem to be hosted anywhere, but did find these downloadable links for various videos. http://www.thunderace.co.uk/rapid/smf/index.php?topic=2259.0
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Neil Gaiman turning in his script for the next season of Doctor Who. Guy in the middle is executive producer and head writer Steven Moffat, and the guy on far left is Richard Curtis, writer of Four Weddings and a Funeral, Love Actually, and Notting Hill. He too, is doing an episode.
Neil Gaiman turning in his script for the next season of Doctor Who. Guy in the middle is executive producer and head writer Steven Moffat, and the guy on far left is Richard Curtis, writer of Four Weddings and a Funeral, Love Actually, and Notting Hill. He too, is doing an episode.
Gaiman and Curtis are old friends. they've known each other for years.
I just watched "Amy's Choice". Got nothing to complain about the writing, except for the romantic bits. It seemed logical, but Amy choosing Rory in the end didn't do anything for me, and seems forced. Their relationship hasn't been fleshed out and there's nothing in Rory that makes me feel like Amy would actually actually love him that much.
Agreed. I like Rory and all, and I get what they're trying to say about the couple. But, in the end, I will be fine with their relationship issues becoming a thing of the past. But, I hope they keep Rory around. I like him quite a bit...
haven't seen it. but if the Baker shows up, I will be happy regardless.
I doubt that's going to happen. That was all rumor, so I don't see The Baker making an appearance. I mean, I could be wrong. But, I'm almost certain I'm not.
Either way, Matt Smith owns the role. He's IS The Doctor. I've never seen an actor conqueor the role and make it his own as quickly as Matt did. Right out of the gate, he's on it...
Amy's Choice was one of the best episodes in the series history. I'm not sure how I felt about Hungry Earth. The Doctor/Rory interactions were interesting and I like how the Doctor fucked up a few times. I feel like Smith truly gets the character and knows how to play him with humor and a complexity I can't find in too many other Doctors. I like how he moves his body in a somewhat alien way, also love how he "scans" people with his eyes when trying to convince them of something. This Doctor feels very mature, like he's comfortable with who he is.
I like Matt Smith. I actually kind of like him a little bit more than Tennant. But then again, I haven't watched all the doctors yet. My crappy net connection is still not done downloading episodes from the 4th and 9th (I'm going by people's favorites on choosing who to watch, just watched Smith first because I got hooked on the weeping angels).
I just noticed this about the 11th, is he the only doctor that seems to have trouble getting the TARDIS to go to a specific time and place? (e.g. appearing 12 years and 2 years late and the "Behold, RIO!" in South Wales thingie)
Actually, that was a staple of The Doctor and the run-down TARDIS for pretty much the entire series, up UNTIL the current series. Moffat just brought that back with this Doctor...
I wonder how much of it is the Tardis and how much of it is the specific Doctor. Though I remember lots of errors in the 9th/10th era: 12 months instead of 12 hours The Quiet Undead Tooth and Claw (1879 instead of 1979) Idiot Lantern (1953 London instead of NY)
Though there was way too much of a sense of "present" and going to and from the Companions home. It worked with Rose but by the time Donna came along it was old and stale (like Donna herself).
Anybody able to point me to places where I can watch the classic eps?
Aside from a few stories split up over 10-15 youtube videos it's hard to find. This is why I've mainly seen Tom Baker and less of the others. It just takes time and patience to get.
I've stopped watching the show because the stories are quite shitty, and the writing has been very obvious and unoriginal. Its a shame as I like both Smith and Gillan.
I think Moffat's stories have been great. But, Chibnall isn't that great of a writer, and the Dalek episode made me want to cry. Other than that, excellent season!
Who is this "Rory" people are talking about? I've watched the current episode and I didn't see any Rory. I don't even remember any Rory from the the rest of the season. Does he even exist?
I've stopped watching the show because the stories are quite shitty, and the writing has been very obvious and unoriginal. Its a shame as I like both Smith and Gillan.
well maybe when you're done with your period you can give the show another chance.
Who is this "Rory" people are talking about? I've watched the current episode and I didn't see any Rory. I don't even remember any Rory from the the rest of the season. Does he even exist?
Who? I....I must have been really high before....I don't even remember why I wrote that name...."Rory"???
Maybe when you are done being retarded ... oh shit, that will never happen.
Even a retard can see you didn't deny being on your period. Log off, take a warm bubble bath, untwist those panties, and try watching the episode again once your vagina has stopped hurting.
So you are saying that I dont have a right to dislike the current writing. Retard!
dislike whatever you want I just question anyone who does nothing but bitch on a messageboard thread. You don't like it, fine. But why waste your time watching the show and then coming here to bitch? It was a mystery to me until I received your PM which, even though it was private, I feel the need to share here:
Originally Posted By: PM Nöwheremän
Sorry i'm being such a bitch. My hormones are all over the place this week. Do I look fat?
And my only response to you is "I'm not entirely sure what you look like, but yes you look very fat."
Very funny moron. Especially from someone who does nothing but bitch about politics shit he doesnt like, and then goes running crying from the boards when things dont go his way.
What you are saying is that someone cannot give any negative comments on something you like, which is what makes you a shit eating retard.
Why the fuck can I not comment on disliking something that I normally like? Maybe you should never complain about Donna or whoever you dont like in the show, cause that would obviously be bitching.
Go back and read my previous posts and tell me if I have made no positive comments as well. I am sure you will find that I said in the very comment you decided to jump on, that I like Smith and Gillan, or was that being negative and bitching as well?
You are a fucking retard, lets just stick with that.
Especially from someone who does nothing but bitch about politics shit he doesnt like, and then goes running crying from the boards when things dont go his way.
Do I even post on the politics board anymore? I don't remember getting involved beyond defending MEM and a few random comments since 2008. I certainly haven't let it get to me enough to give a shit since then.
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What you are saying is that someone cannot give any negative comments on something you like, which is what makes you a shit eating retard.
I never said you couldn't do or say anything, but you do leave yourself open anytime you say or do anything here just like we all do. You bitch a lot, that makes you a target. Jeez, the internet is old enough that you shouldn't be shocked by someone mocking your rage.
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Why the fuck can I not comment on disliking something that I normally like? Maybe you should never complain about Donna or whoever you dont like in the show, cause that would obviously be bitching.
Do whatever the fuck you want but if you really enjoyed Donna episodes and I was ragging on her you might feel the need to say "shut the fuck up" every now and again.
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Go back and read my previous posts and tell me if I have made no positive comments as well. I am sure you will find that I said in the very comment you decided to jump on, that I like Smith and Gillan, or was that being negative and bitching as well?
I really don't care that much. Though the initial thing that irked me is that you're talking about how muchyou like these actors but then complain about the handful of episodes they've had. It's like saying "I like Tom Hanks but I hate all of his movies."
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You are a fucking retard, lets just stick with that.
I know that when your ovaries are sore you get mean. I forgive you.
Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
Oh, and the more you post, Ray, the more you remind me of Snarf.
I don't really get the reference. I know of snarf but am not in on any personal jokes you may have. Posts like this make you seem like the youtubeposter without the videos.
See you still make no fucking sense. You say I am the one on my period, yet you are the one all bent out of shape because I mocked your precious Who, as if I mocked your family.
The Tom Hanks analogy makes no fucking sense at all. Of course you can like Tom Hanks and not like his movies. Tom Hanks could be the greatest actor in the world or the nicest guy, or more likely in your case, you love him, but if the writing and stories of the movies he is in are shit, why would you like them?
Simple fact is, the characterisations of Pond and Who have been great, as have the lines they deliver, but the stories have been weak and, for the most part, unoriginal.
Why would I continue watching something where in four or five episodes, I have yet to be engaged by the stories?
Unlike you, Ray, I grew up with The Doctor, I know what I enjoyed, and I know what I didnt. I watched the Doctors I liked, tried the new ones when they came up, and either continued to watch their runs, or turned them off until a new Doctor came along.
Why does a comic book series get cancelled after 6 issues or a tv show after one season? Are you saying that they should go on longer because nobody has given them a chance?
Fact is, when you said you didnt like one of the previous Doctors, Davidson I think it was, Pro asked you how you couldnt like him. To which I pointed out you didnt have to defend yourself, yet you seem to think that if I say I dont like something, then I must be on my period.
I make a statement, which wasnt even angry, and you start doing a rex and saying I am on my period, when quite frankly you are the one pissing and moaning like a little girl, stamping your feet telling me that I am not entitled to voice a simple opinion on something I had high hopes for, and have ended up feeling let down by.
Feel free to continue being a retarded Snarf, it suits you.
See you still make no fucking sense. You say I am the one on my period, yet you are the one all bent out of shape because I mocked your precious Who, as if I mocked your family.
I'm not bent out of shape. Not by a longshot. This is fun. think Algonquin Roundtable with vagina jokes.
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The Tom Hanks analogy makes no fucking sense at all. Of course you can like Tom Hanks and not like his movies. Tom Hanks could be the greatest actor in the world or the nicest guy, or more likely in your case, you love him, but if the writing and stories of the movies he is in are shit, why would you like them?
Ok let me fine tune the Tom Hanks analogy. The year is 1985. You say "I like Tom Hanks but hate Bosom Buddies and Splash.
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Simple fact is, the characterisations of Pond and Who have been great, as have the lines they deliver, but the stories have been weak and, for the most part, unoriginal. Why would I continue watching something where in four or five episodes, I have yet to be engaged by the stories?
Personally I feel that a movie/tv story is a combination of acting/writing/production. All of those ingredients matter. Like I say I like Tennant but hate his last season due to the writing/production. But I can say I like Tennant because there are stories he was in that I truly enjoyed. You didn't like the episodes, that's your personal preference (which is very important with Doctor Who obviously) but it seems almost unfair to moffat (moffet?) who is decently respected for his story telling abilities that you give the new actor a break while blasting the scripts moff...steven (stephen?) oversees. It just strikes me as odd.
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Unlike you, Ray, I grew up with The Doctor, I know what I enjoyed, and I know what I didnt. I watched the Doctors I liked, tried the new ones when they came up, and either continued to watch their runs, or turned them off until a new Doctor came along.
But again you blamed the writers and gave Smith a free pass. I like Smith myself, I think his episodes have been decent to great and lightyears beyond series 4. But had I not liked ANY of the episodes I wouldn't blame the writers and gush about Smith.
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Why does a comic book series get cancelled after 6 issues or a tv show after one season? Are you saying that they should go on longer because nobody has given them a chance?
Low sales or editorial pressure, same reason a tv show gets cancelled. Not really the point. Also some comic series only last 6 issues. Those are called mini-series.
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Fact is, when you said you didnt like one of the previous Doctors, Davidson I think it was, Pro asked you how you couldnt like him. To which I pointed out you didnt have to defend yourself, yet you seem to think that if I say I dont like something, then I must be on my period.
You take this too personally. I did "explain" myself about Davison (his name is Davison) because that's the whole fucking point of the thread. We are Doctor Who fans discussing Doctor Who. What is the fucking point of coming here, logging in, and saying "it was bad."
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I make a statement, which wasnt even angry, and you start doing a rex and saying I am on my period, when quite frankly you are the one pissing and moaning like a little girl, stamping your feet telling me that I am not entitled to voice a simple opinion on something I had high hopes for, and have ended up feeling let down by.
You're new I guess. I didn't do a rex, I did a Ray. It's like comparing a dead hobo with a wheel glued to his ass and a racecar.
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Feel free to continue being a retarded Snarf, it suits you.
Again with the Snarf reference that I just don't get. Is this something from Fawlty Towers because I'm sure it was funny but it ended 30 years ago and only aired on PBS here in the states.
if you were eating ham and it fell through a crack in space/time would you forget all ham or just that particular ham? and if you had eaten most of the ham would you remember the part you ate-and therefore remember making a smaller piece-or would you forget the whole meal and feel very hungry?
Ray, you are more retarded than I thought. You replies actually make no sense at all, and you are still saying that I am not allowed to come to a thread for something I like, and say bad things about it.
Fuck off, you San Fran faggot, you have all the worst traits of the likes of Snarf, Rex, G-Man and the Insurgents all rolled into one.
Now isnt it about time you ran crying from these boards again?
I'm starting to try my hand at writing Doctor Who slash fiction now, but I'm a bit lacking with accuracy, since I haven't watched majority of the important eps. Is it possible for the tenth doctor to go back in time so that he can have anal sex with the fifth doctor, and the fucking would be so hard that the fifth doctor would be destroyed in the process, achieving orgasm and regeneration at the same time?
Watched 'In Bruge' last night. Going through the deleted scenes, I realized that Matt Smith was playing the younger version of Ralph Fiennes's character.
Watched 'In Bruge' last night. Going through the deleted scenes, I realized that Matt Smith was playing the younger version of Ralph Fiennes's character.
I'm starting to try my hand at writing Doctor Who slash fiction now, but I'm a bit lacking with accuracy, since I haven't watched majority of the important eps. Is it possible for the tenth doctor to go back in time so that he can have anal sex with the fifth doctor, and the fucking would be so hard that the fifth doctor would be destroyed in the process, achieving orgasm and regeneration at the same time?
Yes.
And it would, in effect, explain why the Sixth Doctor was so pissy...
Excellent episode! Loved seeing Bill Nighy up in the mix. As Roy-Knot said, I prefer to remain detached. However, since Smith is already such a reserved Doctor, I like that they went there this episode. It never felt too much for me. But, it might have been the acting, I don't know. Thought it was, in the emotional sense, a strange successor to both The Unquiet Dead with Dickens, and Rose going back in time to see her dad in Father's Day. Damn good.
Next week though....hmmmm....not sure what to make of that preview. Is it Love and Monsters II?
You won't be banned because according to the FAQ, your erection will be unnoticeable.
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FAQ How are they sent out?
All the full sized cardboard cutouts fold in half for easy storage. They are printed all in one piece, so there's no split, and you'd be hard pressed to notice once they're erected.
Shit, it even encourages me to prop it up a wall and fuck it.
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Can I wall mount them?
The easel at the rear is glued on, but can be fairly easily be removed or left folded back, so you can wall mount them if you wish.
I enjoyed this episode. I like that for a change they chose to track down something strange instead of just happening upon it as they pretty much always do. I'm also enjoying the use of time travel in this series and loving the Tardis set more and more each episode.
Next week though....hmmmm....not sure what to make of that preview. Is it Love and Monsters II?
That's what I was thinking until he opened the door and the Doctor was there. So I don't think it'll be a Doctor-light episode as we've had previously. I think they just cut the trailer to seem that way so the Doctor appreciating the man's "I love you" would serve as a better punchline. Personally though I enjoyed Love and Monsters. it was a novel idea and at that point hadn't really been done.
I loved Elton and L.I.N.D.A., as well. Not Peter Kay in the goofy latex, of course. That was horrible. The only thing that makes me pause about next week's is that a Doctor-lite would seem to hinge on the guest-actors being able to hold the piece together. But, I hope you are right, and I am wrong...
yeah the guy seemed really gay (maybe it's just a fat Brit thing) but I remember they always would be very upfront about Doctor-lite episodes. I seriously doubt either of those two can handle an episode like Elton or Sally Sparrow.
It has been posted several times but it's a great bit and always fun to watch. It's actually a really solid parody and not just an SNL type skit. Also (as has been mentioned a hundred times by now) it's Moffet's first Doctor Who story.
Has anyone heard about Amy? Rumors on the interweb say she's gagged in some fanboy's basement.
I know. What the fuck! That's awesome. I hope that gets expanded on later. Next week looks balls-out-awesome.
Loved this week, surprisingly. Wasn't annoyed at any point, and enjoyed watching Matt Smith. Nice to see him get a solo. Also nice to see a Doctor who's a footballer rather than just Davison and the Cricket. Also nice to see them utilizing Matt Smith's past career experience as a player. Smart move.
Just started watching the new Who and really like it. I didn't like the Smith choice initially but everyone here was talking like he was a good Doctor so I wasn't to surprised that he was indeed good in the role. Amy Pond has been a fun and interesting companion as well. Had to laugh at the space whale episode though. I loved it but it reminded of some of the criticism Davies took. The multi colored Daleks are ok but it doesn't make them more scary. They will sell more action figures though. The first part of the angels was really good and very much looking forward to part two!
As for the 11 doctor action figure set I'm not sure if I'll get that. I have the first 6 doctors as well as doctors 9 & 10 but I never cared much for 7 or 8. The shelf they hang out on is pretty crowded anyways.
I thought it was also neat that it looked like Amy was wearing an outfit that I think Ramona had worn. It would make sense since Amy had left in her pjs but that attention to detail is a nice cool bit.
I wonder why the hologram wasn't shown (except that it had glasses and white hair). Could it be connected to the fact that they've been showing the first doctor's face a lot?
I wonder why the hologram wasn't shown (except that it had glasses and white hair). Could it be connected to the fact that they've been showing the first doctor's face a lot?
I don't know. That's weird, huh? I've read other comments on Who boards similar in thought. But, I think it might just be a coincidence.
However, we are getting a LOT of past Doctor reference shots this season, aren't we? Are they prepping us for something?
There's that quote where they're talking about the "most feared being in all the worlds" being caught in that thing. Given what we've seen and know of how The Doctor is viewed in his universe, I'm thinking the Pandorica is empty. I think it's a prison for The Doctor himself. It's trap.
That's what I think. I could be wrong. If so, I hope it's better than that...
As for the crack, it seems to me like two more episodes is not enough to address that and all the issues it brings. I'm betting it will be addressed on Smith's final season (and we'll probably see Rory sometime before that). The DIY Tardis seems like it could use a reappearance as well.
Also, do they grow old while time travelling? It would seem weird if it takes them a long time to solve the crack thingie and bring Amy back for her wedding a few years older.
Strange how they're doing Pete in Bakers clothing when they haven't done Baker in it yet!
Not too keen on the Eccles figure!
I love the look of the Davison/Master 2 pack!
Not sure about the Hartnell Tardis set.
I recently received the 2 Tardis sets - McCoy and Tombo.
Pretty pointless to get both as the Tardis is exactly the same - initial previews were that they would be different! The McCoy figure is at least a repaint but the Baker one is exactly the same as the first release, even though it's listed as being based upon the look of Planet of Evil!
I love the look of 11 Doctor Boxset! I think they should have taken the opportunity to have repainted them all or add/change some of the details! As it stands, the first 2 Doctors look exactly the same as the already released figures.
They originally released 3 Perters figures, all with the blue smoking Jacket. I like that they have given him the green one but maybe they could have left off the long coat!
Rayman must be wetting himself for season 17 Tombo figure.
Davison and Col, look a little different, maybe resculpts!
McCann - now we have all the Doctors!
I've already pre-ordered this set!
I hope they do a Terror of the Zygons Tombo in Tartan!
However, we are getting a LOT of past Doctor reference shots this season, aren't we? Are they prepping us for something?
I think that may due to the difference between Moffat (Moffet?) and rtd. rtd seemed to hate referencing the old series or doing multi-doctor episodes because he believed that somehow detracted from the show or whatever. Moffat(Moffet?) seems to have an appreciation for the history of the show and understands that the viewers aren't morons who don't know the show has a 45 year history.
[rant]This is what bugged me about the 2009 specials. after all the set up rtd OWED us a time war story. and I got my hopes up with the rumors that mcgann was going to star in an episode set during that period. it would give us the whole story as well as finally show the lost regeneration. but alas we got the crap he gave us and all the big drama and crying that he felt made up for a lack of story. [/rant]
Eccleston starred opposite Billie Piper in the Doctor Who revamp Actor Christopher Eccleston quit Doctor Who after one series because he "didn't enjoy the environment and the culture" of the show.
Eccleston, who is about to star in BBC Four biopic Lennon Naked, took on the role of the Time Lord when Russell T Davies revamped Doctor Who in 2005.
He told the Radio Times he was proud of the show but "wasn't comfortable" working on it.
"I think it's more important to be your own man than be successful, so I left."
Eccleston, the ninth Doctor announced he was leaving after just one series to be replaced by David Tennant.
"I was open-minded but I decided after my experience on the first series that I didn't want to do any more," he said. "I didn't enjoy the environment and the culture that we, the cast and crew, had to work in.
"I thought if I stay in this job, I'm going to have to blind myself to certain things that I thought were wrong."
But the 46-year-old said the fact that he played the Doctor - and not that he had quit - was "the most important thing". "I really feel that because it kind of broke the mould and it helped to reinvent it.
"I'm very proud of it."
In an initial statement announcing his exit in March 2005, the BBC said the actor was afraid of being typecast and had found the series gruelling.
The corporation later accepted the statement was incorrect and that it had not spoken to Eccleston before releasing it.
"They handled it very badly but they issued an apology and I dropped it," he added.
-Eccleston and Barrowman did not get along. John likes to be a big jokster/flaming queen on set. Eccleston is a very serious actor. You do the math.
-Keith Boak, a director for an entire block of episodes, treated Eccles like he didn't know how to act, and was unreceptive to any advice from the actors.
-He was not allowed any input to the direction of his character, or the scripts.
-Eccles was under pressure to re-sign for Season Two before Rose even aired. During this time, his father was dying. With filming taking nine months straight, he didn't know if he would have the time to dedicate to another season.
-While he was deciding whether to stay or go, the BBC execs told RTD and Julie Gardner to start talking to David Tennant. Chris found out, and felt like he was no longer wanted. This is also about the same time the BBC came out and stated "typecasting" fears for his reason in leaving, which was a lie.
-Doctor Who suddenly became the BBC's flagship show, and they were trying to get this reclusive actor to do all of this press for the show.
I would say 90% of the above is steeped in truth. I don't think it was any one single reason...
See, I wanted it to be dumb and nostalgic for me, as well. But, it just never felt like G.I.Joe to me. It felt like some dumbass summer popcorn flick, containing all the shitty acting, script, etc. with a billion dollars poorly spent in CGI, with the tag-brand "G.I.Joe".
I've long held a dream of paying Alex Ross to do a "All Doctors" print. It would probably cost too much. And, I'd love to find a better artist than Alex Ross...
I got a bit turned off on Tennant after watching too many 11th doctor eps in a row, but rewatching Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead brought us back together and I'm boyfriends with the Tenth once more.
River Song is also growing on me. Did not like her at first, probably because she's not T & A material.
-Eccleston and Barrowman did not get along. John likes to be a big jokster/flaming queen on set. Eccleston is a very serious actor. You do the math.
-Keith Boak, a director for an entire block of episodes, treated Eccles like he didn't know how to act, and was unreceptive to any advice from the actors.
-He was not allowed any input to the direction of his character, or the scripts.
-Eccles was under pressure to re-sign for Season Two before Rose even aired. During this time, his father was dying. With filming taking nine months straight, he didn't know if he would have the time to dedicate to another season.
-While he was deciding whether to stay or go, the BBC execs told RTD and Julie Gardner to start talking to David Tennant. Chris found out, and felt like he was no longer wanted. This is also about the same time the BBC came out and stated "typecasting" fears for his reason in leaving, which was a lie.
-Doctor Who suddenly became the BBC's flagship show, and they were trying to get this reclusive actor to do all of this press for the show.
I would say 90% of the above is steeped in truth. I don't think it was any one single reason...
Thing is, I have read/heard stuff where Eccleston said right from the start that he would probably only do one series, so I wouldnt take his word as gospel that it was all other peoples faults. Also, he really isnt that good an actor, so thats why he was probably treated that way.
Currently going through the Eccleston season. Eccleston is not doing it for me. I don't like his doctor. He's doing the goofy bits but he looks so normal to me. The clothes, the hair, hell, even his built looks more action star than eccentric, quirky alien with a dark, vengeful side.
When Tennant or Smith does the "flailing, clumsy, but lo and behold-I can destroy entire worlds and races" bit, it works for me. With Eccleston he just looks like a pussy.
Or maybe it's because I'm only up to episode 5 of the first season and he gets better towards the end.
Currently going through the Eccleston season. Eccleston is not doing it for me. I don't like his doctor. He's doing the goofy bits but he looks so normal to me. The clothes, the hair, hell, even his built looks more action star than eccentric, quirky alien with a dark, vengeful side.
When Tennant or Smith does the "flailing, clumsy, but lo and behold-I can destroy entire worlds and races" bit, it works for me. With Eccleston he just looks like a pussy.
Or maybe it's because I'm only up to episode 5 of the first season and he gets better towards the end.
Currently going through the Eccleston season. Eccleston is not doing it for me. I don't like his doctor. He's doing the goofy bits but he looks so normal to me. The clothes, the hair, hell, even his built looks more action star than eccentric, quirky alien with a dark, vengeful side.
I liked his goofy demeanor but overall I think his run really demonstrated rtd's fuck you mentality. They were more interested in "making" Doctor Who a good show and not really respecting that it already was a good show just in need of an update. Tennant doesn't get the credit he deserves for his run. Despite the problems with the Donna-year and the 2009 Specials (which is rtd's fault) he brought a lot of love and respect to the character that Eccleston did not.
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When Tennant or Smith does the "flailing, clumsy, but lo and behold-I can destroy entire worlds and races" bit, it works for me. With Eccleston he just looks like a pussy.
Agreed. They look like goofy nerds but Eccleston looks like a footballer crying like a pussy.
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Or maybe it's because I'm only up to episode 5 of the first season and he gets better towards the end.
It is what it is and is consistent throughout his series. I don't hate it but it's far from being my favorite. Though Moffet's two parter Empty Child/Doctor Dances are excellent and there are definitely a lot of good solid episodes. But yeah it is what it is.
Eccleston is fucking awesome. He did what no other actor before him since Tom Baker had done: he created a new Doctor. Tennant just regurgitated bits and pieces of past actors. But, Eccles was the tormented, shell-shocked survivor of the Time War. He was born from the final devastation of his people, and was no longer sure of himself or who he was. His goofy demeanor is an obvious charade, as we consistently see the actual grief he is feeling.
I don't know. Maybe his departure is so welcome by me, because of all the other Doctors. He showed me something new and fun...
I'm not really good with analyzing actors and the characters they portray, but maybe that's why I don't like his doctor. Because the goofy side is just a charade (or the way I see it - the goofy side seems fake and forced). I see no conflict between his goofy side and his dark, tormented side. It's just all torment and stuff with a thin film of goofy shell.
Whereas the two other doctors are loveable because they seem so sincere when goofing off, making the dark aspects seem more jarring by comparison. When Smith does the "Nobody Human Says Anything to Me Today!" bit I felt like it's still real to me, damnit. Eccleston's angry schtick when Rose saved Pete is annoying and then forgettable.
I'm not agreeing with Nowhereman that Eccleston is a shit actor (maybe it's just that his heart's not into playing the doctor, I dunno), it's just that his doctor seems forced to me (I mean, compared to his predecessors and what little I've seen of Baker).
I like to see each Doctor as part of a whole influenced by the nature of the regeneration. It seems implied from Romana that a regeneration is a choice someone makes at a certain time for a certain reason. And then they pick a safe spot and regenerate and then take time to recover. Whereas the Doctor seems to literally die each time and then get thrown into an adventure with no time to adjust. 2 was a younger bouncier guy who was able to enjoy life after 1 aged into a cranky old man. 3 was probably the action hero because of the way 2 was forced to regenerate, he wanted to be strong. 4 was more alien and quirky as a reaction to the time stuck on earth. 5 was more friendly and emotionally vulnerable because of the length of time 4 had and the companions he'd made (he wanted to just enjoy life again). 6 was an erratic reaction to the poison that killed 5 or maybe just too smart for his own good. certainly i believe his douchey attitude was bitterness at having "died" to save peri. 7 was stable, controlling, and cunning perhaps as a reaction to the unbalanced nature of 6. 8 was young and strong as a reaction to the very agonizing and drawn out death 7 had while in a weakened state. also he was more "human" and emotionally open perhaps as a reaction to the manipulative way 7 became. 9 was a basketcase of emotions because of the trauma of losing his people and the war. 10 was made for rose. she had brought a sense of fun into his life and he was all giggles with her in series 2 but then displayed signs of depression in 3/4.
11 seems to have moved on and let go of his emotional baggage. there was a line in Eleventh Hour about being lucky he was the last. I think the End of Time and the way his people wanted to destroy everything to survive mixed with saying goodbye to everyone allowed him to be happy again without clinging to anyone. he's also clearly less interested in forming longterm bonds with humans, a lesson he learned from 10 and i noticed strongly in the way he pushed rory and amy together because he knew she'd have to leave and he was cool with that.
That's just my theory anyway. A way to make sense of the various actor's takes on the characters in a hindsight is 20/20 sort of way. But some of it makes sense and seems to be a subconscious reaction during the regeneration. Like how Romana picked her form, maybe the Doctor tries on some level to push who he'll become. But then certain aspects are always there: good guy/hero, explorer, etc.
I'm not agreeing with Nowhereman that Eccleston is a shit actor (maybe it's just that his heart's not into playing the doctor, I dunno), it's just that his doctor seems forced to me (I mean, compared to his predecessors and what little I've seen of Baker).
Eccleston is a personality actor, in the sense that he plays slight variations on himself. Tom Baker is the same. It's not a bad thing because they're colorful individuals so it's fun to watch them.
Tennant on the other hand is an excellent actor. I've seen him in a few things and he is like a chameleon in a role. He has a good command of his voice and a variety of accents. His audiobooks are a lot of fun because they feel like a full cast play but it's just him.
I didn't know either, until I saw the preview for it after The Lodger.
I didn't know you were still watching, Jeff. What do you think of the current stuff? Eleventh Doctor? Does Ashe watch with you?
Of course I'm still watching. I got into it when Sci-Fi first aired it with Eccleston's Doctor. I follow it on BBCA here and so far it seems to be one episode or so behind the rest of you. I'm still liking it with the new Doctor and Amy. Ash will watch, but not all the time. It really depends on the episode with her. She did like the previous two parter with the Angels from Blink.
I'm not really good with analyzing actors and the characters they portray, but maybe that's why I don't like his doctor. Because the goofy side is just a charade (or the way I see it - the goofy side seems fake and forced). I see no conflict between his goofy side and his dark, tormented side. It's just all torment and stuff with a thin film of goofy shell.
I'm not too good at analyzing either but what you are saying is my problem with Tennants Doctor, not Eccleston.
You mention somewhere else that Eccles looks quite normal, whereas I have to disagree - the cropped hair really accentuate his Jug ears and bugle!
Eccles clothing is completely original - a new look for the Doctor! Dad cool! Which is not cool.
Tennants retro suit is cool. His hair is cool. He, looks too normal.
The only other normal looking Doctor was the fifth but his normality is neutralised by what he is wearing.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Eccleston is a personality actor, in the sense that he plays slight variations on himself. Tom Baker is the same. It's not a bad thing because they're colorful individuals so it's fun to watch them.
Agreed!
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Tennant on the other hand is an excellent actor. I've seen him in a few things and he is like a chameleon in a role. He has a good command of his voice and a variety of accents. His audiobooks are a lot of fun because they feel like a full cast play but it's just him.
WHAT!
I would tenant is the same as the above!
Did you see Cassanova?
I find his accents poor.
I think Tennants cack hammery will be perfect for the Frightnight remake!
Pro called it. Or he haxxored the DW script to reflect his post.
Was originally let down with all the warships leaving because of the doctor's warning that the Pandorica is his (it's perfectly logical but come on, all that build up without even seeing them land?)
and then BAM! Daleks, cybermen, Sontarans, Judoon, Silurians and a lone sycorax without his helmet, and Pro was shit-right.
I mean, it's the logical kind of "twist" setup Moffat would go for. The Doctor is, of course, the most dangerous being in the universe. I loved seeing them all together like that! I did NOT see the Autons happening, though. THAT was awesome!
Also, did anyone notice how much calmer and cunning the Daleks are now? I'm thinking if they maintain that aspect, I'm going to love their new take (if not the new look...ugh!)
it probably has something to do with the 11 year old Amy. I remember a scene in 11th hour's last parts where the young Amy was shown waiting until morning, and the sound of the tardis landing is heard and she smiles, before the scene cuts back to adult amy in bed.
That was a great episode, epic. If it were American then that would've been the finale, I'm just glad the UK shows don't like cliffhanger endings. The fx was amazing, they didn't overuse any of the villains, and the idea of an alliance worked. Moffat has proven himself to actually live up to the hype his one or two episodes per year has given him. It all came together perfectly from the opening with the crazy time travel elements to the Auton Romans. It was sad to see Rory return only to turn out to be part of the trap. And I can't think of a single more terrifying moment than Roman soldiers dragging the Doctor into his box while all these monsters calmly watched.
Can't wait for next week. Any bets on who the "Silence will fall" mastermind is? I've heard Omega but who knows.
God, I hope it's not Omega. That would be stupid, and way out of left field.
I'm thinking/hoping it's the Valeyard/Dream Lord again. But, that voice in the TARDIS....why do I know it? It sounds familiar, but I can't place it. It's not Davros, unless they've recast. I'm thinking it has to be someone we already know, as they have to resolve it next week. Hmmm....
I have no strong feelings either way towards Omega, that's just the rumor I've heard. It's obviously someone time lord related, seeing as how they could operate the tardis from outside the ship. I just hope it's not the Master, that'd be way too soon. If I had my way it'd be Valeyard.
I also dig the way they're handling River. She does seem to be subtley younger each time we see her. The concept of them going in reverse is fascinating but at the same so obvious I can't believe no other Doctor Who writer has thought of it before. At some point I would like to see her as a permanent companion for a year or so and then have her guest starring as someone getting to know the Doctor while he already knows her intimately.
I'm hoping for Valeyard. It'd be really neat if it was the meta-crisis Doctor gone bad but I doubt Tennant would return to the series as a villain so soon after leaving.
Valeyard is an alternate future version of the Doctor that existed between his 12th and final incarnation. He was all the darkness and evil of the Doctor. Basically in the 6th Doctor's second season they tried an experiment to boost ratings by having it be one 14 episode long serial: The Trial of a Time Lord. It was really a bunch of random episodes with courtroom sequences serving as a framing device. The Valeyard was the prosecutor until the Master revealed it was all a trick to get the Doctor's remaining lives (and in doing so become "real"). It was a crappy season that almost killed the show, but the Valeyard as a concept is pretty good. It'd even be neat if they had a former Doctor playing him (like he tried to regenerate and it sort of worked but aged his new body).
Well, since Michael Jayston (the original Valeyard) is dead, recasting would be required. Toby Jones (Dreamlord/Valeyard from Amy's Choice) would still be fine with me. He's in Captain America, btw.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
I was rewatching the last episode and noticed something. When the Doctor leaves Amy with the soldiers, he's not wearing a jacket, says his goodbyes, and then they show her hands and he takes them and tells her to start trusting him and asks her to remember what he said when she was 7. For the whole bit of dialogue they keep the camera focused on their heads but you can see the Doctor is wearing his jacket and has a watch on. Then he leaves and the next time they show him he's with River and not wearing a jacket. I wonder if this is supposed to be him from the future coming back to nudge things along or just a continuity error.
That plus the end of Eleventh Hour when we see a young Amy looking up happy hearing the Tardis leads me to think that'll be the solution. The Doctor will essentially go back along his own timeline to fix the problem. If so that'd be cool. One thing Moffat has brought to this series that was lacking in past years was using time travel as more than just a way to get to the setting.
Following his bravura performance in The Lodger, and in the dying moments before the Pandorica opens, it’s time to take an overdue look at Matt Smith’s Doctor.
The casting of the Eleventh Doctor caused a bit of a stir back in 2009; it seemed possible that we might get David Morrissey (so keen was the misdirection of The Next Doctor), but names like Russell Tovey and Paterson Joseph were also mentioned. When the role went to an ex-footballer, soon be known by his full title, “Twenty-Six-Year-Old Matt Smith”, the fans – in time-honoured fashion – began to worry. The hardcore were frightened because they thought the Doctor should be middle-aged and the shippers began to realize that they were going to lose their pinstriped eye candy. For my own part, I supported Steven Moffat’s choice of leading man – in spite of my surprise – but believed it was so unusual that the wider audience would not play along. I genuinely thought it would be Colin Baker all over again – even Matt Smith’s enthusiasm recalled Baker’s in 1983 – and when the pundits came out in force, telling us that the boots Smith was about to fill were very, very big ones, I thought this was game over.
Almost one Matt Smith season later, it is pleasantly surprising to see how things turned out. Even if you still prefer David Tennant, there’s no denying that Smith is a worthy successor to, arguably, the most popular Doctor Who ever. Smith – unlike Tennant – isn’t an obvious Doctor Who fan, but one cannot help feeling that he has picked up this beautiful thing we all adore and promised with all his heart to take the greatest care of it. From that perfect opening episode (surely the best of any Doctor bar Hartnell), Smith gave us something so intricate, so real and complete that a great many of us cheered at the TV and struggled to recall the last feller’s name. We chose to move on and Smith led us through the treeborgs with an energy and enthusiasm previously unrivaled.
Moffat’s observation that although Smith is vibrantly young he conveys great age is now a cliché, but a wonderfully correct one. From the swaggering cockiness of youth to the gentle, delicate insight of experience – via some mid-life crisis of staying ‘cool’ and coping – Smith has exceeded all expectations of interpretation to bring us a character so unflinchingly detailed that it feels, perhaps for the first time in the series’ long history, that the Doctor is a real person. Smith is both a brilliant ‘serious’ actor and a splendid comedian, achieving the best results by playing both for keeps. His success derives from his deep intensity and sharply focused attachment to any given situation (something that his co-star seems yet to learn).
Not only is Smith’s characterization rich, it is also very nicely textured. See, for example, how he sits upon Rosanna’s throne in Vampires of Venice, all fidgety and never quite comfortable; see him jump excitedly up and down on his bed in The Lodger whilst chatting to Amy through his earpiece. Smith never stops finding things for the Doctor to do, even when only in the background of a shot. There is, for example, a lot of brilliantly understated ‘business’ in the TARDIS doorway at the start of The Beast Below. Smith’s skill here is that his character continues to live and breathe out of the limelight, whilst never distracting the viewer or upstaging his co-stars. Those that love him – and I count myself among them – admire his endless ability to fill the screen with a consistent sense of realism.
Before this season began, it was feared that sticking the Doctor in a bow tie and tweeds seemed too deliberate. It is now apparent that Smith needed such an outfit from which to elicit his performance. He does look so blissfully Doctor-ish, and maybe we all felt a bit nervous and self-conscious about that. Christopher Eccleston’s leather jacket and boots deliciously pared down all the costumes that had gone before, and Tennant, to some extent, followed suit, but Smith is a very young man. To put him in something young and funky would have diluted the actor’s interpretative tension in his young/old persona, especially now the Time War angst has passed. The real catchphrase of this season – ‘bow ties are cool’ – tells us so much about this Doctor. Look back at his first episode and, boy, does that suit look wrong.
Possibly the Doctor’s most iconic scene this year is the one in Victory of the Daleks where the Doctor holds the Daleks at bay with a Jammy Dodger. He looks so right, so perfectly precise – as much a part of the programme’s design as the Daleks themselves – and Smith’s incredible features make him the best-looking Doctor ever. I said this elsewhere, pointing out that Smith was not a pretty boy, but that he was the most fascinatingly alien-looking Doctor thus far. Yet as the weeks have gone by and his eyes have twinkled at lovers, painters, galactic wonders and thoughts unspoken, I have begun to find him oddly beautiful. I find myself wanting to look at him – and isn’t that what attractive is about? And his hair! That, my friends, is real Doctor hair; casting him one minute as mad professor, the next as disaffected teddy-goth and the next as some dark, deliberate monster.
Smith is unarguably great in the role, but the writing of the Doctor is equally great. The best writers for the Doctor this season have been Steven Moffat (of course) and Gareth Roberts (with his best script for BBC Wales so far), but all of this year’s scripts have brought some wonderful texture to the character.
When we first meet the new Doctor, he seems suddenly very alien and odd again. The way he looks at people, perceiving young Amelia as a new life form, eating fish custard and so on, is reminiscent of the Sixth Doctor, who operated on equally subjective extremes of mood and contrast.
It was easy to assume that this was all down to the regeneration, but these extremes are still intact in The Lodger when, for example, he sips Rosé and spits it back into his glass (and in just about any other scene in that episode). But such reactions aren’t quite as alien as they at first seem. Looked at from another angle, these are the actions and reactions of a being at peace with itself, unconstrained by societal bounds, open to possibilities and honest with the world.
This newfound openness (the Tenth Doctor equivalent seemed very artificial) sees him display an endless sense of thrilled glee in new situations – including the dangerous ones. But, in common with previous Doctors, he is heroic and bold in his dealings with his enemies. Be they Atraxi, Patient Zero, the Daleks or Rosanna, this Doctor steps right into the lion’s den and will even place his head between the beast’s jaws in order to sell his determination to protect those around him. Capable of great anger, he castigates the humans of Starship UK, the Daleks and River Song alike.
His confidence in himself, although sometimes shaken (he doesn’t brag as much as the Tenth Doctor), manifests in many ways. His confrontation with Rosanna is almost flirtatious. He teases her with a predatory, sexual dance equal to her own, only to pull the rug from her by promising to tear her world apart. This aspect of the new Doctor is truly scary – and he knows it. There is an occasional sense of a truly dangerous and threatening Doctor just waiting to emerge in moments such as the one in which he ‘nicely’ asks Ambrose to leave her cache of weapons behind (The Hungry Earth). His intentions towards Amy also seem very dark. When he takes her aboard the TARDIS, he lies about his intentions (peeking secretively at the scanner display of the crack in the universe). Even after Rory’s double-death, he remains deceptive to Amy – when, as we later learn, he only needs to bump heads with her to explain the truth.
It is strange, but sometimes we like the Doctor to be scarier than the monsters he fights and it is tempting to think his nicer qualities are a front for what the Daleks call The Oncoming Storm. But it’s also very obvious that his experiences touch him – not just the thrill of them, but also the pain of them. When he has no choice but to abandon Octavian to the absent mercy of a Weeping Angel, he displays heartbroken tenderness (sensitively performed by Smith).
His deepest feelings are also exposed by an enigmatic but pained smile when Alaya asks him what he is willing to sacrifice for his cause. She thinks she has the upper hand because she is willing to die, but we already know him capable of sacrificing not only worlds, but worlds full of people very, very dear to him. It is only by a colossal act of will that he is able to keep his passions in check. This may add to our deepest concerns about the darkness he carries within him, but this is a man who is also capable of error, and the Dream Lord plays upon such vulnerabilities.
This Doctor also overlooks stuff and gets things wrong in a way that the Seventh Doctor never would (until the moment of his death): by allowing himself to become preoccupied he loses Elliot to the Silurians; whilst sitting on Rosanna’s throne, he fails to realize that he’s sitting on the key to her power; he is also guilty of a misplaced faith in own abilities: ‘Nobody dies today.’ Well, Alaya does. Rory does. There are far better stories this season, but the Silurian two-parter allows Smith to display the Doctor’s complex moral centre, and he plays it not as stoutly as Jon Pertwee did (in a similar story) but in a manner far more relaxed and intimate – a lot like Patrick Troughton might have.
Ah, Troughton. No discussion of Smith’s Doctor is complete without mention of Troughton’s. As soon as Smith declared Troughton his favourite – and face it, all the Doctor’s from Tom Baker have – the pundits latched on to the Troughtonesque qualities of his performance. Let’s put this to bed. All actors like Troughton’s work because he is, relatively speaking, perhaps the most accomplished and versatile television and film actor to have taken on the role.
If you know your broadcast history, the man is a legend in the way that even Eccleston is not yet allowed to be. But is Smith’s Doctor just a retread? Well, they both have craggy faces, wear bow ties and walk like little children. But the broad strokes of Troughton’s performance are those of almost permanent self-immersion, indignance and soothing apology. Smith can do these – and is, to some extent, informed by these – but they do not define him. Any apparent influence is just window dressing.
Unlike Troughton’s Doctor, Smith’s is capable of genuine sentiment and glowing pride in others. He displays sincere warmth towards those he encounters and those in his care. Unlike Troughton – or any other Doctor (except perhaps the Eighth) – he is genuine, open and friendly, and this allows him to be humbled by the humans of the 29th century, thrilled at the prospect of being someone’s lodger and eager to join Vincent in listening to colours rather than dismissing him as a madman.
Taking The Lodger as an example that best covers the season, this Doctor’s intelligence is sometimes fierce, sometimes naïve, but always utterly compassionate and thoroughly tactile. Smith inhabits the part, whereas all the others – Troughton included – simply performed it (however brilliantly). Smith’s is a fully contemporary take on the role of the Doctor, informed by modern, less theatrical acting techniques and supported by modern televisual grammar; as such, it makes Smith quite simply a better Doctor than Troughton. Put Troughton in The Lodger and it would not be anywhere near as good.
It might be just as easy to compare Smith to Peter Cushing – both walk funny, bumble about and have very similar silhouettes – but, in all honesty, the Doctor to whom Smith is closest is actually David Tennant. Certainly their vocal tones are very similar. Perhaps what makes Smith the most effective New Who so far is his combination of Tennant’s exuberance and Eccleston’s swagger. But again, his performance is more real, more genuine, less, well, performed than that of his immediate predecessors. Look at those clips of Tennant with River Song on Confidential – he suddenly seems oddly wrong in the part.
Whether or not you agree with the points I have made, it is obvious that Matt Smith has made the part his own and that the Eleventh Doctor is one of the strongest we have seen both on screen and on paper.
He manages to combine the Big Doctors with the Little Doctors seamlessly, falling into neither camp and filling the boots of Tom, Jon, Sylv, Pat, Billy, Chris, Dave … Whoever! But unlike any other Doctor (and only Sylvester McCoy came close) he also manages to be both distantly alien and warmly human. Maybe the portrayal is actually not so alien, but played just as real as any part Matt Smith might play – it’s possibly just the context of TV drama that makes him look really weird – more real, less mannered than a Troughton.
Unfortunately, Karen Gillan plays up to this but hasn’t the same set of skills to pull it off. I have begun to suspect that if anything will hold Smith back from truly achieving greatness in the eyes of every fan, then it will be she for it was only during The Lodger that he finally seemed unconstrained by her. Perhaps they should team him up with someone older, someone who doubts his abilities, someone like Donna.
This may not have been the best season ever, but it is perhaps the most truly consistent with every episode being at least workmanlike and several of them being utter masterpieces. What is certain now is that what would once have been a below average episode will always stand tall while we have Matt Smith’s Doctor to watch and enjoy. Long may he reign.
Interesting read. Couldn't agree more. This new season has been incredible and I would call it the best Who I've ever seen. The production value seems better than years past (even though I hear the budget was cut), the new Tardis set is amazing, Smith and Amy (and River and Rory) have been entertaining and more 3-dimensional than Rose or Martha or Jack ever were. And of course Moffat's lead has given the scripts a sense of clever fun. I actually feel like a kid watching the new episodes due to the genuine sense of fun and adventure while at the same time my adult brain feels that it's getting a solid story.
I just noticed this in the Flesh and Stone scene, the Doctor was wearing something in his wrist, we only get to see the strap so it could be anything (even a simple watch).
As far as things that could actually mean anything to the story, the only wrist-worn thingies that come to my mind is the one that changes his biology and a vortex manipulator. I'm betting on the latter.
I disagree. I think it could be something as simple as a watch or maybe something else that goes on a wrist...like those vortex manipulators we've seen before. Just my own theory.
that article has to be one of the most masturbatory things I've ever seen (and that's saying a LOT!). seriously, I was waiting for a video of the author literally going down on Smith to show up in one of those pics. (Pro, did you write that?)
why is it that whenever people get into this discussion over various Doctors, it always sounds like they're all reading off of the same script? "MY Doctor was actually in the role, all other Doctors were just ACTING!" "NO, MY Doctor was truly showing his range of expression and emotion! The previous/following Doctor couldn't lick jelly babies from his buttocks!" they're ALL acting people, that's what they do, they're actors!
can we have some original thought and expression put into the subject for once?
now, not having seen Smith (or even Tennant's last season and a quarter), I will say one thing: I do agree that his visual appearance does lend itself to the "alienness" of the role. something that's been lacking since the relaunch five years ago.
that was always the appeal to me when I used to watch as a little kid. the alienness of everything. it was like nothing else I'd seen before or since. bring something of that back to the series, and get away from the familiar for a while.
Yeah, that's definitely an opinion-piece. But, it's terribly accurate when it comes to Smith. He's the real deal. I'd go as far to say that he's flawless in his performance. Quite literally, from the word go, he was The Doctor.
But, I also agree that I would have liked a little more in-depth analysis of his points, rather than "Hey, I'm a fan of Matt Smith". Again, though, when it comes to Smith, it's dead-accurate.
Once again, Moffat comes through like a champ. Delivering a solid, intelligent, brain-melting, EPIC finale, he has cemented his spot in the iconography of the Doctor Who legacy. And Matt Smith consistently tops himself in every scene. Damn awesome! But, I'm still working it out in my head as to what the FUCK just happened?!
Loved that Rory is sticking around. I wonder if he's still plastic? That would be effin' cool. The idea of him guarding Amy for 2000 years was badass, and really gives him a new insight for Moffat to work with. He's ancient like The Doctor now, which is probably what turns Amy on.
Smith looked awesome in the tux. He's obviously a slight clothes-horse, akin to Pertwee. Karen Gillan was smoking, as was River's milfy ass.
And I REALLY loved that they didn't resolve the whole "Big Bad"/The Silence yet. The over-arcing seasons reminds me of Davison's era, as well as gives this show a completely different pace. A solid, intelligent drama.
The thing about River intrigues me. With the whole bit about rewriting time, does that mean the Vashti Nerada thing doesn't happen anymore? Or what is the deal with her killing someone important (if it's the doctor, how come he is still alive before Silence in the library?)
I've seen some comments about people complaining that This season seems too Final Fantasy/Fairy Tale-like, but I dunno, that's what I liked about it anyway.
Well done Llancethar. Not only did you once again fuck up the simple task of posting a video, you also managed to post a clip that SOM posted a few weeks ago. At least when he posted it, it hadnt been posted for a while.
Once again, Moffat comes through like a champ. Delivering a solid, intelligent, brain-melting, EPIC finale, he has cemented his spot in the iconography of the Doctor Who legacy. And Matt Smith consistently tops himself in every scene. Damn awesome! But, I'm still working it out in my head as to what the FUCK just happened?!
Loved that Rory is sticking around. I wonder if he's still plastic? That would be effin' cool. The idea of him guarding Amy for 2000 years was badass, and really gives him a new insight for Moffat to work with. He's ancient like The Doctor now, which is probably what turns Amy on.
Smith looked awesome in the tux. He's obviously a slight clothes-horse, akin to Pertwee. Karen Gillan was smoking, as was River's milfy ass.
And I REALLY loved that they didn't resolve the whole "Big Bad"/The Silence yet. The over-arcing seasons reminds me of Davison's era, as well as gives this show a completely different pace. A solid, intelligent drama.
10/10. I officially love Doctor Who. Still.
I don't think Rory is an Auton anymore. I got the impression that when time rebooted he (along with her mom and dad) returned and wasn't the Auton Rory. Just an amazing episode. Not the melodrama of rtd finales, just a big epic fun cool amazingly clever episode.
Watched it again with the wife. I really love the happy ending, but at the same time all the companions of the doctors I've watched all left on a sad note, so I kind of expect that Rory and Amy will eventually leave the doctor the same way.
Also, I wonder if there's any connection between River and Pond, besides the fact that I want to bone them both.
Great finale for the season. The happy ending reminded me a little bit of Lost, except the everyone's really dead part was reversed. Also glad the mysterious voice was left unresolved for future episodes instead of cramming it almemories of being an Auton for thousands of years.
I think Rory is back to being human too but he would probably retain his old While he loses his gun hand he does get a real penis back. It will be interesting to see a married couple travel with the Doctor. I'm guessing we'll also see much more of River but it will be much earlier in her time line. Loved her repeated one word response to the Doctor's questions.l into the end of this season.
I decided to catch up on the episodes I missed, last night. Overall, I am still not overly taken with the way the stories play out, as I still say too much of it is telegraphed for there to be any real surprises.
As for Rory, were none of you listening to what he said after Amy brought the Doctor back? Rory said "I WAS plastic!"
I do think the ending creates a whole new set of problems, because when Amy woke up, The Doctor had never existed in this timeline, so none of his adventures ever happened. Which means that either the universe is in for another shake up (a reversal of the unwinding the Doctor went through), or that his adventures only exist in the memories of those close to him. The fact that River remembered him right from the moment the universe was reborn, is obviously important as well as to the relationship she will have with The Doctor (or maybe she is The Doctor, or something like that).
I decided to catch up on the episodes I missed, last night. Overall, I am still not overly taken with the way the stories play out, as I still say too much of it is telegraphed for there to be any real surprises.
I've liked this season because it did a better job that RTD's run of mixing in that old Who feeling. RTD would get it but then drop it, bringing it back solely for nostalgia moments to replace good storytelling. Moffat, I feel, has brought back an inclusive feel of old Who at its height. Good stories that adults can enjoy with kids. I think a lot of the telegraphed stuff was there for the kids. Where RTD would hit you with a few brilliant episodes (most of them written by Moffat) surrounded by meh ones, Moffat's run has been pretty solid without the roller-coaster feeling of RTD. There are weak episodes, of course; but I think Victory of the Daleks (the weakest one) is still fun to watch.
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As for Rory, were none of you listening to what he said after Amy brought the Doctor back? Rory said "I WAS plastic!"
We heard it. It's Pro, man. He... um... 'forgets'...
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I do think the ending creates a whole new set of problems, because when Amy woke up, The Doctor had never existed in this timeline, so none of his adventures ever happened. Which means that either the universe is in for another shake up (a reversal of the unwinding the Doctor went through), or that his adventures only exist in the memories of those close to him. The fact that River remembered him right from the moment the universe was reborn, is obviously important as well as to the relationship she will have with The Doctor (or maybe she is The Doctor, or something like that).
No, I think it means that the Doctor was brought back into the timeline by Amy and not created by her memories of him as he was wearing an old tux and top hat, waiting for her wedding. If he was just born from her memories, he'd most likely of been dressed as he has for the series instead. It's a bit of the wishy-washy timey-whimeyness as Rory is human again but has Auton Rory memories. It is, quite frankly, the weakest part of the whole story. Yet, it was so entertaining getting to that point that I don't really mind it.
I've interpreted it as the doctor becoming part of the timeline again, which means everything that ever happened, except his adventures with Amy, really happened (which is why Rory forgot about him but remembered when Amy brought him back).
What I didn't get is the bit about the doctor not being born at all and the Earth is still fine. They should all be Daleks by that point, if there was no doctor. The world would have been fucked, kind of like what happened when Donna turned right.
I've interpreted it as the doctor becoming part of the timeline again.
Which was sort of my point. I'm not saying she re-created him, I'm saying she brought him back into the new universe (if thats what its called), and that if thats the case, then anything the Doctor had done prior to that never happened, meaning, as you say, that anything the Doctor stopped in the past, would probably have won.
I know when you start getting into time travel it can really fuck with things (I mean, lets face it, The Terminator story creates more problems than it solves really), but when you wipe out a character like the Doctor from history, thats really gonna fuck things up.
Like I said, I think it brings him back just like she brought back her parents and Rory. They've existed before that point and had lives outside of the one they share with Amy. The Doctor and all his past selves and adventures return to the timeline together.
But thats why I say it would shake things up. If he was wiped out and only got brought back once Amy remembered him, then it would have changed things around her in a big way.
As was noted when her mum first woke her up, she was surprised to see her, but couldnt work out why. It was exactly the same thing that was happening to her with Rory, she kept crying but didnt know why.
Due to the whole trap being based on her mind imprint, she obviously became the key to reality (or sorts), so the only thing I could make a guess at is that the universe restructured still based on all the good the Doctor had done over the years, because there was still a phantom of him floating around in Amys brain.
I was sent that link by a friend of mine who is a total Who mentalist, as he goes to conventions n all that shit. Proper geek when it comes to Doctor Who and Transformers etc. We were having a long discussion about the latest series and some of the previous Doctors, and it was funny as he agreed with me on pretty much everything about the latest season, but he was even more vocal in his dislike of the writing, even saying its one of the worst seasons he has seen. He couldnt understand how the guy who wrote some of the best episodes during RTD's run could be responsible for such poor writing, and that the thing that saved it for him was the natural chemistry between Smith and Gillan, and just how natural Smith has eased into the character, even if he does need to start dropping some of the Tennantisms he copies.
I think the only things we didnt agree on is that his fave Doctor was Davison, and that he didnt like Colin Baker. We did agree that we didnt like McCoy or Eccleston though.
We both agree though that Smith can be at least as popular as Tennant with both diehard Who fans and the kiddy fans, and that Amy Pond is far superior to Rose Tyler in every way (btw, did you know that the character Sam Tyler in Life on Mars, was given the name Tyler by the daughter of one of the LOM creators, and when they asked why she picked the name Tyler, it was because of Rose from Doctor Who?)
I do think the ending creates a whole new set of problems, because when Amy woke up, The Doctor had never existed in this timeline, so none of his adventures ever happened.
I notice you bitch about how the show doesn't surprise you and then you miss rather obvious stuff. Like how you bitched about no one noticing the statues had one head when the Doctor said it was probably a low level perception filter. Here you bitch about the cracks "erasing" the Doctor but that's not the case. All evidence has shown that while the cracks erase the memory and trace of a person it's not a rewrite of events. The best proof I can offer is that Amy's parents were erased but she still existed just in a house way too big for her. Also when the clerics were being erased none of the others thought much of the limited numbers. I imagine that like any military there is a set number of soldiers in a unit yet when these guys vanished they weren't replaced with the men who would've been assigned to the unit instead.
Also I think maybe the Doctor due to his unique Time Lord nature only had his Eleventh incarnation erased. That's pure speculation based on his rewinding along his timeline and ending as his current self began. No flashbacks to past incarnations. Also Amy couldn't remember back the other Doctors.
I really love the happy ending, but at the same time all the companions of the doctors I've watched all left on a sad note, so I kind of expect that Rory and Amy will eventually leave the doctor the same way.
I also loved the happy ending. I think Ten was just too tragic at times. What I've enjoyed about this year is the pure sense of fun to it all. I don't think Amy and Rory will leave on a sad note, hopefully. I think the setup has been basically the Doctor brought Rory along to ease her back to her life when the time comes so he can avoid another messy goodbye. Eleven seems to have learned from Ten's problems.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
I do think the ending creates a whole new set of problems, because when Amy woke up, The Doctor had never existed in this timeline, so none of his adventures ever happened.
I notice you bitch about how the show doesn't surprise you and then you miss rather obvious stuff. Like how you bitched about no one noticing the statues had one head when the Doctor said it was probably a low level perception filter. Here you bitch about the cracks "erasing" the Doctor but that's not the case. All evidence has shown that while the cracks erase the memory and trace of a person it's not a rewrite of events. The best proof I can offer is that Amy's parents were erased but she still existed just in a house way too big for her. Also when the clerics were being erased none of the others thought much of the limited numbers. I imagine that like any military there is a set number of soldiers in a unit yet when these guys vanished they weren't replaced with the men who would've been assigned to the unit instead.
Also I think maybe the Doctor due to his unique Time Lord nature only had his Eleventh incarnation erased. That's pure speculation based on his rewinding along his timeline and ending as his current self began. No flashbacks to past incarnations. Also Amy couldn't remember back the other Doctors.
Ray, I am truly sorry. Truly sorry that you are a retard that is, and truly sorry that I broke you so easily. Isnt it about time you ran off like a crying child again because someone disagrees with you? Maybe your carer should monitor your internet usage more.
pardon the stupid question, I don't exactly have BBC in here, but I saw at the end credits that they'll be back on December, what are they showing during the hiatus?
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
I do think the ending creates a whole new set of problems, because when Amy woke up, The Doctor had never existed in this timeline, so none of his adventures ever happened.
I notice you bitch about how the show doesn't surprise you and then you miss rather obvious stuff. Like how you bitched about no one noticing the statues had one head when the Doctor said it was probably a low level perception filter. Here you bitch about the cracks "erasing" the Doctor but that's not the case. All evidence has shown that while the cracks erase the memory and trace of a person it's not a rewrite of events. The best proof I can offer is that Amy's parents were erased but she still existed just in a house way too big for her. Also when the clerics were being erased none of the others thought much of the limited numbers. I imagine that like any military there is a set number of soldiers in a unit yet when these guys vanished they weren't replaced with the men who would've been assigned to the unit instead.
Also I think maybe the Doctor due to his unique Time Lord nature only had his Eleventh incarnation erased. That's pure speculation based on his rewinding along his timeline and ending as his current self began. No flashbacks to past incarnations. Also Amy couldn't remember back the other Doctors.
Ray, I am truly sorry. Truly sorry that you are a retard that is, and truly sorry that I broke you so easily. Isnt it about time you ran off like a crying child again because someone disagrees with you?
A. you sound like rex. B. I'm not sure you "broke" someone when they tear apart your flawed reasoning and take the piss out of your "I'm smarter than this show" mentality by pointing out obvious things you missed.
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Maybe your carer should monitor your internet usage more.
What is "carer"? Is that an UK term I don't know or is this another case of you trying to be superior while failing to correctly spell out simple words? Love, Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man (r3x29yz4a)
pardon the stupid question, I don't exactly have BBC in here, but I saw at the end credits that they'll be back on December, what are they showing during the hiatus?
It's a bit of the wishy-washy timey-whimeyness as Rory is human again but has Auton Rory memories. It is, quite frankly, the weakest part of the whole story. Yet, it was so entertaining getting to that point that I don't really mind it.
I watched it again. The Doctor told Amy that when they took a snapshot of her memories they got "more than they bargained for" and Auton Rory got Rory's soul.I think the implication is that the cracks don't erase events just memories and most evidence (there was still a picture of Rory in the book and the ring still existed and Amy was still there despite her parents being gone). Her link to the crack allowed her to be an anchor to bring things back. So she didn't need to remember every detail of the Doctor, she just needed to remember him and he came back from the other side. How about the paradox of the Doctor only being let out of the Pandorica because after he was let out he went back and gave Rory the screwdriver but only when Rory told him he was dressed the same as he was when he went back to give him the screwdriver. Or Amelia getting the notes from the Doctor because she showed the notes to the Doctor and he went back and rewrote them to match the notes he'd already given her. The only thing that bugged me was the Doctor and Amy touching their past selves. It's been established since Pertwee that's a problem and in Father's day it created those dragons who tried to eat the church. Even in this episode the screwdrivers sparked when they touched. Technically you could argue that Amy wasn't the "same" because after 12 years every cell in her body would've shed and been recreated but still.
Yup, still broken. And still a whiney retard bitch!
What exactly is your definition of "broken"? Is that your way of masking your insecurity at being mocked? Because I would argue that if I insult you based on something you say and you keep coming back with a generic "I broke you" then you're incapable of original thought and therefore "broken." I'm not going to say I broke you though, because only losers take pride in messageboard feuds.
Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
Nevermind Ray, one day you might grow a pair, and be a real man as well.
I didn't respond quickly enough so you give up with a nevermind? Maybe I did break you. But again, I take no pride in that because it's a messageboard and I have a life (not being ginger helps).
Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
It must really piss you off, Ray, that you are only one step up from Snarf.
Just because you don't like a messageboard poster and have a past conflict doesn't mean using their name matters one bit or carries any weight as an insult. rex does shit like that....are you one of his alts?
I'm going to try and rewatch Big Bang later, but this just hit me - Where did the doctor get his Vortex Manipulator? Most of the things that cropped up during the whole wibbly wobbly timey wimey fiasco came from somewhere clear. e.g. there is a loop of events; he gave the sonic to rory, which rory put in amy's top, that the doctor took and gave back to rory, which rory put in amy's top and so on....but how did he get hold of a vortex manipulator? Wasn't River wearing it while she was in the Tardis?
I'm going to try and rewatch Big Bang later, but this just hit me - Where did the doctor get his Vortex Manipulator? Most of the things that cropped up during the whole wibbly wobbly timey wimey fiasco came from somewhere clear. e.g. there is a loop of events; he gave the sonic to rory, which rory put in amy's top, that the doctor took and gave back to rory, which rory put in amy's top and so on....but how did he get hold of a vortex manipulator? Wasn't River wearing it while she was in the Tardis?
He picked it up off the ground by the Pandorica. I think he had it on him and dropped it while being placed inside. The real question is why did they ride horses to stonehenge and back when they could teleport there in a second.
Let's drop the feuding. If I want two Doctor Who nerds arguing, I'll go to any Doctor Who message board in existence.
As for The Big Bang, much like this entire season, it pays for the viewer to truly pay attention. Unlike the popcorn-fluff of most of the RTD years, Moffat's season reflected his belief that the audience has a brain. I love that.
BTW Cunty, who is your avatar? Good cut, btw. The drop-shadow is pretty dead-on.
Let's drop the feuding. If I want two Doctor Who nerds arguing, I'll go to any Doctor Who message board in existence.
but I'm having fun. okay though. don't want to make this thread unpleasant. it's the main reason i come here.
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As for The Big Bang, much like this entire season, it pays for the viewer to truly pay attention. Unlike the popcorn-fluff of most of the RTD years, Moffat's season reflected his belief that the audience has a brain. I love that.
Agreed. It's been very smart, and very fun. There's a sense of adventure and humor that rtd lacked. Not that his years were unbearable, they were just too melodramatic. I want a happy ending after a big finale. I want there to be continuity with the companions and not the one series/special companions we had (Martha was great and should've been in 4 instead of Donna). I liked that it ended with the married couple riding off with the Doctor to stop an Egyptian Goddess loose on the Orient Express...in space. And that the "Silence will Fall" voice will be explored later and not crammed into the finale. There was just a sense of respect above all else from the new production team and the actors played their roles as real characters not just feminist icons.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Agreed. It's been very clever, and very fun.
Fixed it fer ya.
Also, I prefer Donna over Martha. Because with Donna, I don't have to deal with the romance angle. And she's very funny on her own. Martha was just a foil.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Agreed. It's been very clever, and very fun.
Fixed it fer ya.
Also, I prefer Donna over Martha. Because with Donna, I don't have to deal with the romance angle. And she's very funny on her own. Martha was just a foil.
I thought Martha was cute. Not just hot but very cute. I didn't mind her romantic feelings too much because the Doctor didn't return them (and sometimes even seemed to be purposefully cruel). I also enjoyed the stories in series 2/3 as the best of Tennant's. With Donna I found her annoying and a bit too british at times in her humor. She also represented the point when the series was at it's worst and rtd was running on melodrama fumes constantly beating us over the head with how special she was when she wasn't.
I, too, heart Donna Noble. She had the very best chemistry with Tennant's manic, narcissistic 'Perfect Ten'. He and Rose were horrible together, bordering on the gushingly silly. He and Martha had zero chemistry, but I loved Freema's hot ass. Donna as a Tegan-ish throwback to the asexual nature of not just The Doctor, but of the companion, worked far better than playing so intimately with the tween-emo craze of heart-throbbing David Tennant all over the screen.
I really like how Steven Moffat is side-stepping these demographic demands of the Beeb's corporate level. Playing Amy Pond as a real girl, with real hormones, and having her desiring The Doctor on a sexual level, versus a romantic one, gives an obvious-yet-real take on what people would expect from the modern show. Having The Doctor resist these sexual advances, based on his ancient alien-ness of detachment and emotional isolation, is icing on the cake. This combination allows Moffat to check that box off his list of executive demands, while still retaining his public love of the Classic era. Brilliant.
[quote=Prometheus] I, too, heart Donna Noble. She had the very best chemistry with Tennant's manic, narcissistic 'Perfect Ten'. He and Rose were horrible together, bordering on the gushingly silly. He and Martha had zero chemistry, but I loved Freema's hot ass. Donna as a Tegan-ish throwback to the asexual nature of not just The Doctor, but of the companion, worked far better than playing so intimately with the tween-emo craze of heart-throbbing David Tennant all over the screen.{/quote] you make good points. I think with rose they were too gushy because of the loss at the end of the series. it reminded me of joss whedon's second season of buffy where they were way too cutesy and that was buildup for him going evil and killing her friends. I thought series 2 and rose/tennant worked on that dramatic level. I agree that donna and tennant did have a good chemistry, but rtd forced us to like her by telling and not showing her as great. it felt forced and the ending seemed dumb (why not use a chameleon arch to lock away the time lord side and "create" a donna personality that was a perfect copy of who she was?). The one off companions in the specials aren't worth mentioning, especially the crying old man who killed the doctor because he got locked in a box.
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I really like how Steven Moffat is side-stepping these demographic demands of the Beeb's corporate level. Playing Amy Pond as a real girl, with real hormones, and having her desiring The Doctor on a sexual level, versus a romantic one, gives an obvious-yet-real take on what people would expect from the modern show. Having The Doctor resist these sexual advances, based on his ancient alien-ness of detachment and emotional isolation, is icing on the cake. This combination allows Moffat to check that box off his list of executive demands, while still retaining his public love of the Classic era. Brilliant.
Agreed. One thing I like about Smith is he plays the Doctor as an old man in a young body. His reaction to Amy is how an old man would react to a young girl seducing him. It also showed that the Doctor learned from his mistakes by having Rory along so he could share in her adventure (which wound up strengthening their feelings for each other).
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The one off companions in the specials aren't worth mentioning, especially the crying old man who killed the doctor because he got locked in a box.
Agreed, as they aren't Companions. Just guest-stars. That, in fact, was an RTD thorn I am currently glad is gone. The whole "companion for the Christmas special" nonsense. Why call them a companion? They don't fit the criteria as laid out by the history of the series. They're about as much a companions as Grace Holloway from Paul McGann's one-shot. Not at all. Companions are the ones who go on the journeys with him. Rory is a companion. Mickey is a companion. Jack is a companion. The cat burglar, Jackson Lake, Adelaide, Astrid....these were guest-stars.
Captain Jack! I wonder how he'll fit in with eleventh
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(why not use a chameleon arch to lock away the time lord side and "create" a donna personality that was a perfect copy of who she was?).
I think this wouldn't work. The people who used a chameleon arc in the series returned to what/who they were after being made to remember.
The key to Donna's survival was that her memories were locked away, and if they create a Donna personality that was a perfect copy of who she was as a companion, wouldn't that negate the chameleon arch? And if they create a Donna personality that was based on who she was before she met the doc, that would be the same as what happened, and as soon as she goes on an adventure or so much as sees the tardis, she'd start to remember and the chameleon arch would stop working and then donna go boom boom
I think this wouldn't work. The people who used a chameleon arc in the series returned to what/who they were after being made to remember.
The key to Donna's survival was that her memories were locked away, and if they create a Donna personality that was a perfect copy of who she was as a companion, wouldn't that negate the chameleon arch? And if they create a Donna personality that was based on who she was before she met the doc, that would be the same as what happened, and as soon as she goes on an adventure or so much as sees the tardis, she'd start to remember and the chameleon arch would stop working and then donna go boom boom
They had to lock away her memories because the time lord brain would fry her frail human body. the chameleon arch can remake a timelord into a human, and also install a false set of memories. The whole point is to hide so completely not even they know what they are. but with donna they only need the first part, to reconfigure her as a full human. they could even leave her human mind with all her memories and she'd be fine as long as she didn't open the watch (which she would know can kill her).
Just got the First Doctor:Unearthly Child figure - pretty smart!
I'm not sure about these Tardis sets - I got the fourth and seventh Doctors sets! There are only minor differences in the actual Tardis. I bought the Seventh Doctor set because it was a repaint and wouldn;t have got the set had I known about the 11 figure set coming out!
The Fourth Doctor set is billed as being based on Planet of Evil - I don't see what it actually based on the story, I was hoping that they change the figure but it's the exact same as the original release.
^I'm with Sir Batty. I love the sets, but I've already got the Unearthly Hartnell figure. I'm not shelling more money for a duplicate with a slightly-different-but-same-TARDIS. I've already gotten three! (The "electronic" one released separately, McCoy, and T.Baker's)
My digital camera has gone to shit, so I ran these through Photoshop to make them worthwhile. This is in my home office...
This guy just commented on something I am a fan of on Facebook, and going on his name, I think he thinks he looks like Matt Smith. I will admit there is a resemblance, but its like a Bizarro, dropped on his head from a great height version.
What Matt Smith figure is that - it looks really really good!
That's the two-pack one that came out with the "Raggedy Doctor". I think they have, or are, releasing it as a single though, if you're wanting to get one.
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Did you get all the Pertwee figures?
Nope, just the Dalek one. I plan to get THE ELEVEN DOCTORS boxset that's coming out, with McGann in it. All the rest are variants, more or less, as well. So, I'll have a new Pertwee then.
Not pictured are Sarah-Jane Smith, K-9, Captain Jack, a Time Lord, Colin's Regen outfit (a dirty version of Pete's that you sent me ), Colin's variant Blue costume, and the tan costume from McCoy's first season, as well. Also, most the Cybermen variants, a couple of Daleks, and the K1 Robot from Tom's first episode...
This guy just commented on something I am a fan of on Facebook, and going on his name, I think he thinks he looks like Matt Smith. I will admit there is a resemblance, but its like a Bizarro, dropped on his head from a great height version.
What Matt Smith figure is that - it looks really really good!
That's the two-pack one that came out with the "Raggedy Doctor". I think they have, or are, releasing it as a single though, if you're wanting to get one.
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Did you get all the Pertwee figures?
Nope, just the Dalek one. I plan to get THE ELEVEN DOCTORS boxset that's coming out, with McGann in it. All the rest are variants, more or less, as well. So, I'll have a new Pertwee then.
Not pictured are Sarah-Jane Smith, K-9, Captain Jack, a Time Lord, Colin's Regen outfit (a dirty version of Pete's that you sent me ), Colin's variant Blue costume, and the tan costume from McCoy's first season, as well. Also, most the Cybermen variants, a couple of Daleks, and the K1 Robot from Tom's first episode...
Just got confirmation that the 11 pack has been released!
It'll be my first and hopefully last tennant figure!
Are the fifth & sixth Doctor repaints in the 11 pack?
The only single figures I didn't get were the B/W first & second Doctors.
I did get the Smith 2 pack but your one looks much better - maybe it was the photographer?
As for the Eleven Doctors boxset, Davison has the celery and C.Baker has the "Trial of a Time Lord" variant yellow tie, and (no joke) a larger stomach!
As for the rest:
Hartnell and Troughton have different colored pants and shirt
Pertwee green jacket and dark cloak
Season One Tom Baker, w/grey coat, hat and wide-eyed stare (yep, new head)
McCoy w/brown coat and "serious" face (I was hoping for a TV Movie variant)
McGann!
A brand new mold for Eccleston, his third
Tennant in brown jacket, blue suit, and glasses
I cannot tell if Matt Smith is different. I don't think he is.
It's $100 over here! I haven't pre-ordered mine yet. I guess I shouldn't wait to the last minute. Just bite the bullet and order it.
The Fifth and sixth Doctors did look different but I couldn't put my finger on it! If they went as far as to make 6 fatter, then they didn't they change his hair also? To the Shirley Temple 'do!
Very happy that you guys in the US have to pay more for this than we do over here! It's always the other way round!
The first one was the very first nuWho figure that came out, along with Rose and a Slitheen. Then, there was the second mold which started out as a Comi-Con Exclusive in 2006, but then later released as a single in 2008. This new one gets a little closer to actually looking like him.
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Nice to have a new Tombo head mold!
Yeah, it's the face from the opening credits. Always spooked me as a kid!
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The Fifth and sixth Doctors did look different but I couldn't put my finger on it! If they went as far as to make 6 fatter, then they didn't they change his hair also? To the Shirley Temple 'do!
I honestly didn't think to notice. Of course, I could do without that fucked-up hairdo of his from that season. That was the show hitting rock-bottom for me. Poor old Colin.
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Very happy that you guys in the US have to pay more for this than we do over here! It's always the other way round!
Damn you! Yeah, when they finally got a legit carrier over here that had them in stock, prices started to climb. I'm sure I could get it for around $75 somewhere. But, I have a dedicated store in California (link: DW Merchandise) that has never failed me. I cannot bring myself to try somewhere else. The only time I did that was when Unearthly Hartnell was coming out, and I pre-ordered him from a site that had him listed first. Then, about a month before he came out, I decided I wanted a second one of the same figure, so I also pre-ordered from my normal site (which had listed him the following weekend). Come release date, my normal carrier shipped the figure right to me. The one I tried beforehand? I emailed them my confirmation order email. They, in turn, just sent me a refund saying they had "lost my order". I immediately erased that bookmark.
I just marathoned the shit out of the newWho's 4th season, and damn I love Donna. I even like her more than Amy Pond (except when we're talking about wanking material)
Of the female companions she's been set up as the most useless (at least, that was what she believed). But I think she's the one who's been most useful to tenth. Of course, in a fight or anything that requires athletic ability, Rose and Martha may be more useful, and academically speaking, martha is hands down the most intelligent (she's a damn doctor!). But the doctor can already handle those two parts. There's nothing Martha and Rose would have done or thought of that the doctor couldn't have by himself.
Donna, on the other hand, catches things that the doctor misses. She's not bookish, but she's smart. And she's able to convince tenth to do things that he wasn't planning on doing. The other two companions were treated as assistants/pets, Donna was treated as an equal.
Also, I think the roles were reversed for her. whereas Rose and Martha were always trying to get the doctor's approval, tenth was actually trying to please Donna most of the time.
Damn you! Yeah, when they finally got a legit carrier over here that had them in stock, prices started to climb. I'm sure I could get it for around $75 somewhere. But, I have a dedicated store in California (link: DW Merchandise) that has never failed me. I cannot bring myself to try somewhere else. The only time I did that was when Unearthly Hartnell was coming out, and I pre-ordered him from a site that had him listed first. Then, about a month before he came out, I decided I wanted a second one of the same figure, so I also pre-ordered from my normal site (which had listed him the following weekend). Come release date, my normal carrier shipped the figure right to me. The one I tried beforehand? I emailed them my confirmation order email. They, in turn, just sent me a refund saying they had "lost my order". I immediately erased that bookmark.
Good thing you did order the figure!
It didn't even make it into the shops.
Nor did the Seven.
Perters only lasted about 2 weeks - they then rushed out the Green Death figure! The audacity of them trying to charge 10 quid extra for 3 slugs!
Been fucked over many a time by pre-ordering from cheaper sites, only for them to refund my money and think that it was ok to do so! I told them that that's the whole point of pre-ordering - to guarantee the item! They couldn't give a flying fuck!
I just marathoned the shit out of the newWho's 4th season, and damn I love Donna. I even like her more than Amy Pond (except when we're talking about wanking material)
Of the female companions she's been set up as the most useless (at least, that was what she believed). But I think she's the one who's been most useful to tenth. Of course, in a fight or anything that requires athletic ability, Rose and Martha may be more useful, and academically speaking, martha is hands down the most intelligent (she's a damn doctor!). But the doctor can already handle those two parts. There's nothing Martha and Rose would have done or thought of that the doctor couldn't have by himself.
Donna, on the other hand, catches things that the doctor misses. She's not bookish, but she's smart. And she's able to convince tenth to do things that he wasn't planning on doing. The other two companions were treated as assistants/pets, Donna was treated as an equal.
Also, I think the roles were reversed for her. whereas Rose and Martha were always trying to get the doctor's approval, tenth was actually trying to please Donna most of the time.
I think my big problem with Donna comes from how I viewed the shows. I got into Who in late 2007 and watched back to back episodes from the first three series over the course of a couple weeks. I loved them. With Series 4 I had to wait several months and then while I would enjoy the episode I found Tennant's performance to feel almost tired by comparison to years past. It was announced early on that series 5 was being delayed due to Hamlet which really said that the show had slipped from being his top priority. Then after each episode I would watch the Confidential where rtd would gush about how amazing and special Donna was. And while I liked her questioning nature and keen observations I felt there was too much pressure to love her and it really annoyed me and that feeling was linked to her character. They just tried too damn hard. I also had issues with a lot of the episodes and the ending finale felt really cheesy with too many "fuck yous" to the audience. All this combined to link Donna in my mind with a bad era of Who.
I just marathoned the shit out of the newWho's 4th season, and damn I love Donna. I even like her more than Amy Pond (except when we're talking about wanking material)
Of the female companions she's been set up as the most useless (at least, that was what she believed). But I think she's the one who's been most useful to tenth. Of course, in a fight or anything that requires athletic ability, Rose and Martha may be more useful, and academically speaking, martha is hands down the most intelligent (she's a damn doctor!). But the doctor can already handle those two parts. There's nothing Martha and Rose would have done or thought of that the doctor couldn't have by himself.
Donna, on the other hand, catches things that the doctor misses. She's not bookish, but she's smart. And she's able to convince tenth to do things that he wasn't planning on doing. The other two companions were treated as assistants/pets, Donna was treated as an equal.
Also, I think the roles were reversed for her. whereas Rose and Martha were always trying to get the doctor's approval, tenth was actually trying to please Donna most of the time.
Pretty damn spot on, SoM! Couldn't agree more! Loved me some Donna Noble.
Here's my ranking of the modern era Who seasons...
Season 1
(Number Nine is still Number One, as far as seasons go. This would be the one I always show to my non-fan friends, first.)
Season 5
(Here comes the Eleventh Doctor!! WOOOOO! )
Season 4
(Tennant's only rock-solid season, with The Doctor's Daughter being the greatest insult to mankind. It was Catherine Tate that really stepped up the talent in this series, Donna being the pitch-perfect companion for an egotist like 'Perfect Ten'. Her ever-present command of the screen really tempered Tennant into a Doctor I could sit back and enjoy, rather than the exhausting over-acting he would normally force. Could have only been better if Tennant and RTD and the Beeb would have had the balls to bow Ten out when he regenerated during the Meta-Crisis nonsense.)
Season 3
(Love me some hot Freema, even if the acting lacks a little. However, all considered, this is the season that gave us Blink, Human Nature/Family of Blood, and Utopia. Unfortunately, it also gave us Jesus-Doctor.)
Season 4.5
(I think Planet of the Dead, much like Voyage of the Damned, is some of the worst "Committee Television" I've ever seen. Meaning, it was created around a famous guest-star, and served no sincerely entertaining or engaging purpose other than to look pretty. Awful, awful. Other than that, WoM, EoT...while both a bit overdramatic, they signaled a quite appropriately epic finale for the most commonly popular Doctor since Tom Baker. And if nothing else, The Next Doctor just brings it all home in a bundle of nostalgia and holiday.)
Couldn't disagree more. I would put 2 near the top of my list. New Earth, Tooth and Claw, Girl in the Fireplace, Love and Monsters (I enjoyed it), Impossible Planet/Satan Pit(not the best story ever but still pretty good for a slight scare), Dalek/Cyberman finale (a bit emotional towards the end but still a great tense story).
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I liked Season 2 too. The finale was a bit dull but like Ray said it had some good episodes.
Nice seeing some Donna love here and there. My guess is that storyline is pretty much done. She's married and happy. While I liked the character I'm ok if they left her alone. It would be nice though if she got her memories back without her brain blowing though.
Some characters I would like to really see them revisit is Susan and Roman. I recently watched the end of the original episode where Susan and the doctor parted company. Now it looks like she and Romana ended back on doomed Gallifry but I still hope there's more to their story.
Are the Judoons exclusive to the new season? I'm trying to research summaries of classic eps but I see no mention. I like these guys. They're always saying gay shit like OH NO WE GO BLOW JOE
I bought the DVD for the Tom Baker story Underworld and watched it this last weekend. The show was a decent idea, but it came close to the end of the season where they were really under budget constraints as inflation hit after the season budget had already been worked up. Over half of it was done using Chromakey blue screen. The DVD is still worth it for me, though, due to all the extra stuff on it. They've got old footage of set rehearsals and such. Hearing Tom making quips and goofing off is well worth the $20 I spent. My new favorite quote is "I'm from fucking Gallifrey!" The commentary also has Baker as well as Louise Jameson and one of the story's writers. It's fun hearing them just tell old stories about being on the set or how shit just worked out back then.
I bought the DVD for the Tom Baker story Underworld and watched it this last weekend. The show was a decent idea, but it came close to the end of the season where they were really under budget constraints as inflation hit after the season budget had already been worked up. Over half of it was done using Chromakey blue screen. The DVD is still worth it for me, though, due to all the extra stuff on it. They've got old footage of set rehearsals and such. Hearing Tom making quips and goofing off is well worth the $20 I spent. My new favorite quote is "I'm from fucking Gallifrey!" The commentary also has Baker as well as Louise Jameson and one of the story's writers. It's fun hearing them just tell old stories about being on the set or how shit just worked out back then.
I bought the DVD for the Tom Baker story Underworld and watched it this last weekend. The show was a decent idea, but it came close to the end of the season where they were really under budget constraints as inflation hit after the season budget had already been worked up. Over half of it was done using Chromakey blue screen. The DVD is still worth it for me, though, due to all the extra stuff on it. They've got old footage of set rehearsals and such. Hearing Tom making quips and goofing off is well worth the $20 I spent. My new favorite quote is "I'm from fucking Gallifrey!" The commentary also has Baker as well as Louise Jameson and one of the story's writers. It's fun hearing them just tell old stories about being on the set or how shit just worked out back then.
I just marathoned the shit out of the newWho's 4th season, and damn I love Donna. I even like her more than Amy Pond (except when we're talking about wanking material)
Of the female companions she's been set up as the most useless (at least, that was what she believed). But I think she's the one who's been most useful to tenth. Of course, in a fight or anything that requires athletic ability, Rose and Martha may be more useful, and academically speaking, martha is hands down the most intelligent (she's a damn doctor!). But the doctor can already handle those two parts. There's nothing Martha and Rose would have done or thought of that the doctor couldn't have by himself.
Donna, on the other hand, catches things that the doctor misses. She's not bookish, but she's smart. And she's able to convince tenth to do things that he wasn't planning on doing. The other two companions were treated as assistants/pets, Donna was treated as an equal.
Also, I think the roles were reversed for her. whereas Rose and Martha were always trying to get the doctor's approval, tenth was actually trying to please Donna most of the time.
Pretty damn spot on, SoM! Couldn't agree more! Loved me some Donna Noble.
Here's my ranking of the modern era Who seasons...
Season 1
(Number Nine is still Number One, as far as seasons go. This would be the one I always show to my non-fan friends, first.)
Season 5
(Here comes the Eleventh Doctor!! WOOOOO! )
Season 4
(Tennant's only rock-solid season, with The Doctor's Daughter being the greatest insult to mankind. It was Catherine Tate that really stepped up the talent in this series, Donna being the pitch-perfect companion for an egotist like 'Perfect Ten'. Her ever-present command of the screen really tempered Tennant into a Doctor I could sit back and enjoy, rather than the exhausting over-acting he would normally force. Could have only been better if Tennant and RTD and the Beeb would have had the balls to bow Ten out when he regenerated during the Meta-Crisis nonsense.)
Season 3
(Love me some hot Freema, even if the acting lacks a little. However, all considered, this is the season that gave us Blink, Human Nature/Family of Blood, and Utopia. Unfortunately, it also gave us Jesus-Doctor.)
Season 4.5
(I think Planet of the Dead, much like Voyage of the Damned, is some of the worst "Committee Television" I've ever seen. Meaning, it was created around a famous guest-star, and served no sincerely entertaining or engaging purpose other than to look pretty. Awful, awful. Other than that, WoM, EoT...while both a bit overdramatic, they signaled a quite appropriately epic finale for the most commonly popular Doctor since Tom Baker. And if nothing else, The Next Doctor just brings it all home in a bundle of nostalgia and holiday.)
Season 2
( No wonder Chris left... )
Just starting the modern era...Eccleston is fucking awesome!
The newer stuff is more accessible. Get her hooked on that before delving into the older stuff. Even then, I'd start with the very first episode of the classic An Unearthly Child to kinda help set up the low budget goodness that the classic series was.
I suggest picking the best related episodes from the new seasons, so that she can get a feel of the different doctors early on. This is basically what I did, I started with Blink. Time of Angels, Flesh and Stone, Silence in the Library, Forest of The Dead - So that I got to compare Tennant and Smith, as well as the reactions of other characters to the doctor, being River Song and the Angels.
The two-parters also have the kickass parts when it shows that the doctor, goofy looking thing that he is, is one of the most feared beings in the cosmos. 11th hour is also a good starting point. The "Basically, Run" scene was awesome. And little Amelia is loveable. I think I like her more than adult Amy.
"Oh, big, big mistake. Really huge. Didn't anyone ever tell you? There's one thing you never put in a trap. If you're smart, if you value your continued existence, if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there is one thing you never, ever put in a trap." is on par.
"Whoever takes the Pandorica takes the universe. But guess who?"
(leaps onto the rock)
"HA!!"
"First question: Who has the Pandorica? Answer: I do. Next question, who's going to take it from me?"
(Opens arms wide in an offering defiance)
"Now, all you silly little spaceships zooming back and forth, it gets a bit distracting, so could you please stop for just one moment because
I
AM
TALKING!!
That is pure awesome, and if only because Matt Smith owns the screen during that speech.
My problem with The Library speech and Tennant was that they were always pushing that aspect of his Doctor on us. Like he was some kind of badass. Yet, never once did I genuinely believe it. It just seemed like a skinny, whiney little Brit shouting ineffectively. When Smith does it, he does it with static-bravado that is at once entirely alien and yet immediately believable.
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"Look at me! No backup! No weapons! No plan! Oh and something else I don't have:
The library line works because it didn't need bravado. It was simply a statement of fact. "I'm a badass, but you don't have to take my word for it." Reading Rainbow!
Smith can pull off the badass bit, and I actually prefer his style more than Tennant's since I find Tennant's acting to be a bit too loud.
I just think the stonehenge bit didn't have the same badass aura because it's been set up a few scenes back that the doctor thinks they have no chance against all the warships. We (the viewers) know that he's just bluffing.
Compared to his line at the library, or his warning for the Atraxis - he was threatening them.
BTW, what do you guys suggest for a person (read, the wife) who has never seen the show? Classics or newer stuff?
I would suggest the Moffat episodes as the best in each series. EMpty Child/Doctor Dances Girl in the Fireplace Blink Silence in the Library/Forrest of the Dead Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone that gives you solid episodes and a bit of an arc with the Angels and River.
I just saw Water of Mars for the first time (the supposedly complete torrent I downloaded before didn't have the specials except for the End of time), and holy shit, the ending was awesome.
They've made it a point to show Tenth's dark side from time to time, but all of the other times were just glimpses and they're usually against the villains, so it kinda makes you still root for him, but the "timelord victorious" scene was plain scary.
The doctor at that point has his feet in villain territory, but unlike the usual crop of bad guys, his motivation is not a lust for power. He was just tired of losing his loved ones and being powerless against change. He's very lonely, frustrated, and scared. Tenth became very human towards the end of his life.
Smith can pull off the badass bit, and I actually prefer his style more than Tennant's since I find Tennant's acting to be a bit too loud.
I just think the stonehenge bit didn't have the same badass aura because it's been set up a few scenes back that the doctor thinks they have no chance against all the warships. We (the viewers) know that he's just bluffing.
Compared to his line at the library, or his warning for the Atraxis - he was threatening them.
Ah, but see that's what I mean about Number Ten. They wrote him, and Tennant acted, so obvious in his "threatening manners". The Doctor has always been threatening, in their own ways. And, I guess we were due for a Doctor that was so overtly full of himself as to place himself on a pedestal like that. And it fits, because Number Ten was the egomaniac, especially given how he acted in his final hours and words. But, unfortunately, David Tennant never sold it for me. Never once did I ever feel he was threatening in any real sense, up until his quiet delivery "Tough" at the end of Waters of Mars. He just came off "shouty" otherwise.
Eccleston and Smith, however, are imbued with a naturally threatening aura. Eccleston is the dark and regret and violence. Smith is all that barely tempered into the shell of a 'young fogey'. I believe them both, because I think they are both superior actors in that sense.
I just saw Water of Mars for the first time (the supposedly complete torrent I downloaded before didn't have the specials except for the End of time), and holy shit, the ending was awesome.
They've made it a point to show Tenth's dark side from time to time, but all of the other times were just glimpses and they're usually against the villains, so it kinda makes you still root for him, but the "timelord victorious" scene was plain scary.
The doctor at that point has his feet in villain territory, but unlike the usual crop of bad guys, his motivation is not a lust for power. He was just tired of losing his loved ones and being powerless against change. He's very lonely, frustrated, and scared. Tenth became very human towards the end of his life.
Agreed. As I just said above, The Waters of Mars is Tennant's finest performance, as far as "dark" goes. I like he finally realized to 'undersell' it. Made it sooooo much more menacing.
I, as with other older fans, love making the superficial link back to era of the 6th Doctor, when he encounters his "dark side" from around his 12th incarnation. If they (Moffat) pick up this thread, now that we are naturally here, I would probably pee with excitement. I don't think they will, mind you. But, it would be so super-nerdy cool!
The newer stuff is more accessible. Get her hooked on that before delving into the older stuff. Even then, I'd start with the very first episode of the classic An Unearthly Child to kinda help set up the low budget goodness that the classic series was.
Restarted season 1 of the new shows with her last night. She loves it! And, she is pumped to try the older stuff now. Thanks, guys! Her preconceptions about sci-fi have been totally raped.
I just saw Water of Mars for the first time (the supposedly complete torrent I downloaded before didn't have the specials except for the End of time), and holy shit, the ending was awesome.
Which is why I felt The End of Time was so disappointing. Waters of Mars ended with the Doctor totally fucking shit up. He should have felt more repercussions for it. We should have found out why the Timelords interfered to keep things like that from happening. The Doctor should have been the one to cause some rupture in spacetime that caused the return of the warlike Timelords in the next finale or at least the return of the Master.
it would have been kick ass if he turned heel at that point and had to be put down (by a companion or through elaborate suicide ala Sandman), giving us Eleventh.
it would have been kick ass if he turned heel at that point and had to be put down (by a companion or through elaborate suicide ala Sandman), giving us Eleventh.
Exactly. Some Valeyard for the mother fucking win.
The newer stuff is more accessible. Get her hooked on that before delving into the older stuff. Even then, I'd start with the very first episode of the classic An Unearthly Child to kinda help set up the low budget goodness that the classic series was.
Restarted season 1 of the new shows with her last night. She loves it! And, she is pumped to try the older stuff now. Thanks, guys! Her preconceptions about sci-fi have been totally raped.
I just saw Water of Mars for the first time (the supposedly complete torrent I downloaded before didn't have the specials except for the End of time), and holy shit, the ending was awesome.
Yeah but it never went anywhere. That was my problem with the Specials, they each had an interesting idea that was abandoned and forgotten. The Next Doctor seemed like they actually had the crazy 11th Doctor coming back to alter 10th's regeneration. Instead it was a guy with a balloon crying over his dead wife. Waters of Mars was so so and heavily rehashed from older episodes until the end. It seemed like they were really going to address the idea of him being a "Time Lord" and making the rules, then she shot herself and it seemed like the perfect way to tie into his regeneration, but they didn't. They could have said that his altering of a fixed point opened the door for Galifrey to do everything they did in End of Time. But they didn't. The Specials were such crap. Like extended versions of regular episodes that would be written off as filler in any other series.
Well done Llancethar. Not only did you once again fuck up the simple task of posting a video, you also managed to post a clip that SOM posted a few weeks ago. At least when he posted it, it hadnt been posted for a while.
McCunty Poofface,that's a link not a clip.
I I didn't know it had been posted because I have not read all the thread.
Now,McCunty Poofface,say you're sorry and stop being gay.
Got my Paul McGann and "serious" McCoy figures. That's all of them now. Finally, I have gained what my ten-year-old self would have killed for: all of The Doctors in "action figure" form...
I've finished all the New Seasons and watched a few classic eps. How's the Mcgann movie? Are the effects as cheesy as the classic ones or passable enough like the new seasons, or something in between?
I am going to be frank. The low budget effects kind of mar the experience for me in the classic eps (only for the colored episodes. Black and white makes the low budget effects much more forgivable. Kind of like how exaggerated/unrealistic art styles compensate for the uncanny valley)
Got my Paul McGann and "serious" McCoy figures. That's all of them now. Finally, I have gained what my ten-year-old self would have killed for: all of The Doctors in "action figure" form...
heh. I saw the Eleven Doctors box set in Previews this week and thought about you.
Yeah I was about a day away from ordering a set just to get McGann. Luckily, I won him and McCoy individually for a reasonable price.
Naturally, I just ordered the 5th Doctor/Master (Ainley) two-pack and the Peter Davison regen figure where he's still got Tom's outfit on. Comes with unraveling scarf! (or a plastic scarf you can "unravel" with scissors. Whatever.)
I've finished all the New Seasons and watched a few classic eps. How's the Mcgann movie? Are the effects as cheesy as the classic ones or passable enough like the new seasons, or something in between?
McGann's one-shot is considered to be the "marriage" episode between the Classic era and RTD's modern era. Which is to say, like all Who, it has some crap in it, but also some gold. The plus is that the budget is excellent (for 1996), MUCH bigger than the older stuff. The console room is the most elaborate and well-regarded version of the entire series, even out-classing the "organic corral" look. And, McGann is an excellent Doctor in his first outing. (opinion)
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I am going to be frank. The low budget effects kind of mar the experience for me in the classic eps (only for the colored episodes. Black and white makes the low budget effects much more forgivable. Kind of like how exaggerated/unrealistic art styles compensate for the uncanny valley)
Did you see "TimeCrash" with Tennant and Davison together? As for the Classic episodes, which ones have you seen? Which Doctors have you been exposed to? What's your take on the older guys? Just curious for a new fan perspective. I expected as much with the lack of budget, of course. I think if you weren't exposed to it at an early age, or lived through it, the only thing it would have going for it (for modern fans) would either be the plots or the Doctor, himself...
Listen, time has mellowed me on Eric Roberts' Master. I am able to separate the shit he was given from the actor himself. In fact, those moments of calm you talk about, I can get into. And for fuck sake, after John Simm, Roberts is practically morbid...
I am going to be frank. The low budget effects kind of mar the experience for me in the classic eps (only for the colored episodes. Black and white makes the low budget effects much more forgivable. Kind of like how exaggerated/unrealistic art styles compensate for the uncanny valley)
Did you see "TimeCrash" with Tennant and Davison together? As for the Classic episodes, which ones have you seen? Which Doctors have you been exposed to? What's your take on the older guys? Just curious for a new fan perspective. I expected as much with the lack of budget, of course. I think if you weren't exposed to it at an early age, or lived through it, the only thing it would have going for it (for modern fans) would either be the plots or the Doctor, himself...
I haven't seen Time Crash yet, I wouldn't even know it exists if I hadn't seen the episode listings while I was tracking down the specials. I just saw the titanic crash into the tardis at the end of last of the timelords and assumed there was nothing in between that and voyage of the damned.
and as for the classic eps, you know which ones I have already seen. I got the links from you
I'm mostly going by episode summaries right now to get the whole story, since I don't have the time to watch all of the classic eps (if I can find them.) But yeah, the appeal mostly lies in the plot, and the doctor himself. I treat the Doctor Who franchise as one big story that has good and cheesy parts, but they all add up to an excellent story. I mean, the new seasons would probably suck if they didn't have all of the classic eps to give it added depth and history.
Part of the doctor's charm as per his multiple incarnations is because you can compare them with each other. There's bits and pieces that convince you that yes, they are the same person, yet they are so different from each other. I would probably find Hartnell creepy, but knowing that he's going to become Smith someday makes it all kinds of awesome.
Also, I love to wank off to Sarah Jane Smith (when she appeared in the new season).
BTW, has anybody tried the Doctor Who games provided for free on BBC's website? Roy, Nowhie?
It can't be downloaded by people with non UK IP Addresses. Even if you somehow manage to download the installer thru an anonymous browser, the installer still checks your IP and won't install.
The reviews I've seen don't mention the gameplay at all but were less than stellar. (How do you make a DW game anyway? the doctor doesn't fight. A myst style game would be boring. But something similar to Batman: Arkham Asylum minus the beat `em up aspects could work)
You can but them there for five bucks if you live in America and maybe some other places. I hear they're basically bonus episodes that you can play through. I'm sure they're on demonoid as well.
Not yet. I got two more weeks of classes then six weeks off. I'll have the time to catch up then.
My parents have watched all the Torchwood episodes on Netflix and have asked me what they should watch next. I asked them if they've seen any Doctor Who yet and they said it didn't look interesting. Now they're watching the dresden files. Its like they're trying to watch every crappy show on sci fi and skipping the one good show they've had.
What about Battlestar Galactica? Have they tried that one? Or just show them the Doctor Who episodes that have Captain Jack in them (i.e. his first appearance in The Empty Child/Doctor Dances)...
They loved battlestar but they also love horrible shit like the csi shows and shit like that.
I told them all they need to do is watch the Eccleston season. I told them that is where Captain Jack started. They keep asking me about how he was on it and I keep telling them its only 13 episodes and they should just watch that instead of the latest season of bones.
Yeah, which is probably why it did so much better here in the US than in the UK.
It's so big, they've gotten American backing. They're actually making the fourth season with Starz and it will be broadcast on that cable channel simultaneously with the UK...
And yes Rex, that was smart trying to get them into Eccleston season. That's a perfect opener for newbies, as well as people interested in the origins of Jack. Tell them the finale explains why he's immortal...
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I am going to be frank. The low budget effects kind of mar the experience for me in the classic eps (only for the colored episodes. Black and white makes the low budget effects much more forgivable. Kind of like how exaggerated/unrealistic art styles compensate for the uncanny valley)
Just curious for a new fan perspective. I expected as much with the lack of budget, of course. I think if you weren't exposed to it at an early age, or lived through it, the only thing it would have going for it (for modern fans) would either be the plots or the Doctor, himself...
We also grew up in the era of Land of the Lost and similar shows. Doctor Who wasn't really that much worse than everything else at the same time. The video medium in a studio production it what makes it look bad without the polish of filmed TV shows.
I am going to be frank. The low budget effects kind of mar the experience for me in the classic eps (only for the colored episodes. Black and white makes the low budget effects much more forgivable. Kind of like how exaggerated/unrealistic art styles compensate for the uncanny valley)
Just curious for a new fan perspective. I expected as much with the lack of budget, of course. I think if you weren't exposed to it at an early age, or lived through it, the only thing it would have going for it (for modern fans) would either be the plots or the Doctor, himself...
We also grew up in the era of Land of the Lost and similar shows. Doctor Who wasn't really that much worse than everything else at the same time. The video medium in a studio production it what makes it look bad without the polish of filmed TV shows.
yeah watching old clips it looks as good as what else was on. Hartnell's show looks like Lost in Space to Mccoy's show looking like early TNG. It only looks cheap and bad compared to today's fx.
Torchwood Season One is rough. Season Two is when it gets really good. So, your thoughts on Ten's first season?
It was good considering that Eccleston left big shoes to fill, IMO. Still, Tennant seemed to ease in to the role fairly well. A few weak episodes, but I love me some Cybermen. Of course, they left some big dangling storylines to get back to (the severed hand, for example, seems like it and Torchwood will be back. And, it seems Rose's story seems like there is more to it than being shunted off to parallel earth). Not sure I'll like the Bride.
Fuck the new Cybermen! Bring back the Cybermen proper!
yeah I'm confused why they haven't brought them back. I liked the parallel universe story and even their return but after that it seems as silly as constantly killing off the daleks only for them to return. The original cyberman should still be hanging about in some form or another at some point in time.
My guess would be marketing and toyline tie-in. From a business perspective, they would want to push a central brand. But, give it time and they will hopefully realize you can milk both cows in this instance...
Yeah I was about a day away from ordering a set just to get McGann. Luckily, I won him and McCoy individually for a reasonable price.
Naturally, I just ordered the 5th Doctor/Master (Ainley) two-pack and the Peter Davison regen figure where he's still got Tom's outfit on. Comes with unraveling scarf! (or a plastic scarf you can "unravel" with scissors. Whatever.)
yeah, they're in the same Previews along with some other stuff.
I don't like the Cybus ones. Better design, but they were jobbers. One Dalek is probably enough to finish them all off.
I've read some comments from people that the Mondas were better monsters (and scared them when they were kids), but I also read that they are weak against gold (like throwing coins at them an shit)? How is that better than the Cybus ones.
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As for the recent appearance, the Cyberman at stonehenge doesn't seem like a cybus one (despite the cybus logo). It has a skull inside and can work without it. That single cyberman was better than the ones I saw back in Tenth's eps.
But still, it would probably job to a Dalek. Now that the Angels are gone, Daleks are still the baddest baddies in the newWhoniverse. Only weakness they have is against plot devices.
The Mondas ones were cool because they had a story that lasted centuries. They felt more like a threat. I enjoyed the first appearances of the Cybus ones because they could actually take over the parallel Earth, and the Torchwood invasion and battle with the Daleks was decent. But the Next Doctor showed how silly it was to keep bringing them back. It was an rtd cliche to utterly defeat a foe but then find out that one slipped away and managed to survive. With the Mondas Cyberman the Doctor could win and then still encounter them at another point in time without a long explanation justifying their existence. I personally think the Cybermen in Pandorica Opens were the Mondas ones with an updated look that matched the Cybus ones.
I don't like the Cybus ones. Better design, but they were jobbers. One Dalek is probably enough to finish them all off.
I've read some comments from people that the Mondas were better monsters (and scared them when they were kids), but I also read that they are weak against gold (like throwing coins at them an shit)? How is that better than the Cybus ones.
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As for the recent appearance, the Cyberman at stonehenge doesn't seem like a cybus one (despite the cybus logo). It has a skull inside and can work without it. That single cyberman was better than the ones I saw back in Tenth's eps.
But still, it would probably job to a Dalek. Now that the Angels are gone, Daleks are still the baddest baddies in the newWhoniverse. Only weakness they have is against plot devices.
The Mondas Cybermen were willing converts. They didn't go around making people Cybermen for one. They enhanced/cyberized some slaves but never did full cyber conversions.
What made them a great villian was that they had no emotions, but they knew how to exploit them.
The Mondas Cybermen were willing converts. They didn't go around making people Cybermen for one. They enhanced/cyberized some slaves but never did full cyber conversions.
Several of their plans were invasions of Earth to turn the population into Cybermen. Tomb of the Cybermen actually surprised me as to how far a 60's kids show would go with that idea when the cyberized that dude's arm.
Mondas Cyberman were basically more clever versions of the Borg who were more manipulative.
And they were a threat for eons before finally being defeated thanks to a planet of gold. So whenever the Doctor encountered them he'd be at a different point and their threat level and tactics would be radically different.
Pretty much. They went from being an entire planet population to scattered groups across the universe. They were wiped out for the most part when a bunch of species came together and formed an alliance against them using weapons with gold ammo.
Also, The Cybermen were humanoids with cyberized parts, not just human brains in suits of armor. Much more mummy-like and creepier. They were silent in their approach, instead of the stomping march.
Personally, given how the Cyberman was presented in this last finale, I'm thinking Moffat intended that to be a Mondasian, but TPTB/Marketing said "But wait, we have this slick new brand that is licensed out as toys". Thus, what we got...
Personally, given how the Cyberman was presented in this last finale, I'm thinking Moffat intended that to be a Mondasian, but TPTB/Marketing said "But wait, we have this slick new brand that is licensed out as toys". Thus, what we got...
I think they were but it wasn't in the budget to design updated costumes. Parallel universes, parallel designs or whatever.
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Uncut script reveals classic Doctor Who villain who ALMOST returned Doctor Who's return in 2005 meant more than just a comeback for the Time Lord—a ton of classic villains have returned as well, such as Daleks, Cybermen and, most recently, the Silurians. But one old villain who was intended to return ... DIDN'T. And an unexpurgated draft of a recent script reveals exactly which villain got derailed.
In an interview given to Doctor Who Magazine, Gareth Roberts explained that in earlier drafts of his episode "The Lodger" there "was a different villain at its center." The villain in question was to be Meglos, a sentient, shape-changing (wait for it) cactus, who appeared in a Doctor Who story starring the fourth Doctor, Tom Baker, back in the 1980s.
The four-part story, simply titled "Meglos," was apparently not one of the more fondly remembered Doctor Who episodes.
"I'd been joking about 'Meglos 2' for years," Roberts said, "but when I sat down to write the first draft [of 'The Lodger'] it suddenly seemed right."
The writer also revealed that: "Meglos survived in my script for quite a long while—but then we saw the Vinvocci in 'The End of Time,' and as the rest of the story was more comedic, we decided the 'villain' had to be as scary as possible."
Check out part of an earlier script draft written by Roberts from back when it still included Meglos:
MEGLOS Can it be . . . the Doctor? THE DOCTOR Do I know you?
MEGLOS I am Meglos!
THE DOCTOR Sorry, have we met?
MEGLOS Meglos! Last of the Zolfa Thurans!
THE DOCTOR (no idea) Really sorry. I meet a lot of people.
MEGLOS Remember Tigella, Doctor! The Gaztaks!
THE DOCTOR The what? Remind me ...
With rumors of other past characters possibly coming back for series 6—like the Yeti or even Omega—the trend of bringing back classic characters to Doctor Who certainly won't fade any time soon. And in a way, that's how we like it, no?
Pick up Doctor Who Magazine #423 to read more of Roberts' interview.
I don't know who meglos is, but yeah, i prefer the lodger's ending the way it is. a mysterious tardis is infinitely better than a cactus monster that the doctor considers a joke.
I just finished watching the McGann movie. I liked it, even though it had a very different feel from the TV series, production-wise and story-wise. It felt like it had a bigger budget than the 1st season, but the story doesn't give that "epic" feel. It's like, with the TV eps, you get the feeling that if the doctor failed, the whole of reality will be raped in the ass. With the movie you didn't get that feeling, you don't even get the feeling that the doctor could lose. It's just a popcorn movie.
I didn't hate the 8th doctor, but didn't like him either. He was too bland. But I don't know, maybe it's because one movie is not enough to give him character.
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One thing that didn't sit well with me is the doctor being half human. Is that canon? I hope that got swept under the rug. OUR doctor should be 100% timelord.
Yep, RTD all but stated it outright with Donna's fate at the end of Tennant's run. There cannot be a human/Time Lord hybrid. It's genetically impossible and would burn a human brain right out.
The McGann movie was an American production of Doctor Who. Generally, it's considered that The Doctor himself, the budget, and the TARDIS interior were awesome, while everything else was utter shit.
If you ever wanted more 8th Doctor, McGann reprises the role for five years worth of audio stories from Big Finish (Link), where critics and fans alike have praised him for the role.
It will be a fucking crime if he's never allowed to appear as The Doctor onscreen again...
Oh and just so you know, SoM, the 8th Doctor is the incarnation before Eccleston. So, that would make him The Doctor that fought in The Time War and was probably the one that destroyed Gallifrey...
I just finished watching the McGann movie. I liked it, even though it had a very different feel from the TV series, production-wise and story-wise. It felt like it had a bigger budget than the 1st season, but the story doesn't give that "epic" feel. It's like, with the TV eps, you get the feeling that if the doctor failed, the whole of reality will be raped in the ass. With the movie you didn't get that feeling, you don't even get the feeling that the doctor could lose. It's just a popcorn movie.
It's funny with Who. The show is a perfect example of sci-fi in whatever era it airs in. The 1996 film reminds me of Sliders and all the other mid-90's sci-fi programs shot up there in Vancouver. It was actually the first Who I saw and left little impression on me. I liked the notion of regeneration and the Tardis but it wasn't enough to make me actually check out the many books in the bookstore despite my spending a lot of time browsing the sci-fi section. Watching it now I hate the whole "half human" bit, it was unecessary and I liked the comic retcon that it was a ruse using a half broken chameleon arch. But overall it's watchable, like you said a popcorn movie, and I appreciate the fact we have a 7 to 8 regeneration. That is the one unforgivable part of rtd's run. He never gave us the time war, never showed us mcgann (who is still young enough) regenerating which was heavily rumored to be the focus of one of the specials.
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I didn't hate the 8th doctor, but didn't like him either. He was too bland. But I don't know, maybe it's because one movie is not enough to give him character.
I agree. There was a nice childlike wonder to him but no solid impression. The companion was hot.
Yeah I was about a day away from ordering a set just to get McGann. Luckily, I won him and McCoy individually for a reasonable price.
Naturally, I just ordered the 5th Doctor/Master (Ainley) two-pack and the Peter Davison regen figure where he's still got Tom's outfit on. Comes with unraveling scarf! (or a plastic scarf you can "unravel" with scissors. Whatever.)
No Who figs for a while and then all of a sudden we've had 3 Tardis sets, the 11 Doctor set, Unearthy Child 1st Dr, 5th Dr regen & Master/5th Dr two pack.
I wonder why they didn't pair up the Master with the 4th Doctor - reusing the body from the 5th Dr regen figure?
Finally able to download a copy of the Doctor Who adventure games. Demonoid has one that works on non UK peeps. I finished the first episode (City of The Daleks). It was a very short game, and it only took me an hour or so to play from start to finish (that's including the time it took me to retry everytime I died). If it was a tv episode, it would probably last only 30 mins.
The graphics were good enough. You'll recognize Matt Smith as Matt Smith and Amy is amy. But that's as far as it goes, recognizable. The animation was still subpar (think: cutscenes from the Sims 2). Add the fact that Matt Smith's mannerisms are very hard to capture thru prerendered CGI, much less thru in-game cutscenes using the game engine (which is what the game uses).
Audio is probably the best part of the game. Primarily because the game uses the actors' voices.
The gameplay is not so good. It's playable. But there's very little amount of playing to do as the game is basically just an interactive episode, where you have to perform stealth games and simple minigames to advance the story. Nothing wrong with it. It's good enough to pass the time, you won't be bored because it's so short. And it's a free game.
I don't get why there isn't a proper game. The only one out there is some kind of card game. The material makes for a perfect game, especially if you had control over the Tardis program in a few dozen locations in time and space.
I just finished the second adventure game, Blood of the Cybermen. Odd thing is that the Cybermen in the story are explicitly stated as from another planet/from our universe, and the datacard mentions that they came from Mondas, but the design is the same as the Cybus ones.
the Cybus Cyberman were really just a modern update on the older design. Since the Mondus Cybermen were upgraded several times as design and effects improved it's only reasonable they'd look similar. plus, as i mentioned earlier, i think they don't want to waste their time on a new design when they have a perfectly good one. They're probably going with parallel worlds having parellel designs. or a wizard did it.
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watching Torchwood's last season right now. It's making me realize that I'm too conservative or just a homophobic bastard. The love angles between Jack and Ianto were unnerving and I found it unnecessary.
but damn the 456, goddamn them. They are the first villains on the whoniverse that I honestly hated. I wonder what the doctor was doing while all of this was happening, and what he would have done.
watching Torchwood's last season right now. It's making me realize that I'm too conservative or just a homophobic bastard. The love angles between Jack and Ianto were unnerving and I found it unnecessary.
but damn the 456, goddamn them. They are the first villains on the whoniverse that I honestly hated. I wonder what the doctor was doing while all of this was happening, and what he would have done.
I'm not a fan of Torchwood. Always felt the sex was gratuitous. Like they had it because they could.
watching Torchwood's last season right now. It's making me realize that I'm too conservative or just a homophobic bastard. The love angles between Jack and Ianto were unnerving and I found it unnecessary.
but damn the 456, goddamn them. They are the first villains on the whoniverse that I honestly hated. I wonder what the doctor was doing while all of this was happening, and what he would have done.
Agreed. I quit watching just because it got too gay. And, I always had a chip on my shoulder because they killed off Indira Varma's character in the first episode!
yeah, iggy. Don't be put off by my homophobia. Children of Earth was all kinds of awesome. I literally skipped work because I just had to watch day one to five in one go.
I would go so far as to say that I'm glad there was no doctor cameo. That everything had to be handled by humans from start to finish. I hated the 456 and the Prime Minister, I felt bad for frobisher and jack. I had a hardon for Lois Habiba even though she's black. Gwen has goofy teeth. And Ianto is almost as fat as Rhys. It was epic.
watching Torchwood's last season right now. It's making me realize that I'm too conservative or just a homophobic bastard. The love angles between Jack and Ianto were unnerving and I found it unnecessary.
but damn the 456, goddamn them. They are the first villains on the whoniverse that I honestly hated. I wonder what the doctor was doing while all of this was happening, and what he would have done.
The first season of Torchwood and the super gayness of Captain Jack(he started quite camp in Ecclestons era but went super poof during tennants run) has made it impossible for me to even give the Children of Earth season a go!
Ultimately the problem with Torchwood and Sarah Jane Adventures and K-9 is that no companion is as interesting as the Doctor. Take away the Doctor, the Tardis, the anywhere in time and space angle, and all you have left is a generic sci-fi tv show.
I had to get one of those Amy Pond action figures myself. Hope they make a Rory one too. (and Leela, the romanas, Adric, Nysa, Harry, Susan, Zoe, Jamie and Tegan.
I've been watching random episodes Torchwood's season 1 and 2 recently, and it's growing more on me. I'm a bit surprised that the gay/relationship shit is auxiliary to the point that you can ignore them and still enjoy the stories. The second episode with the sex alien was too unecessarily sexualized for my tastes, and the one with the ghost machine had uneven pacing that it got boring. But the Cyberwoman episode was engaging from start to finish. I loved the part when the black cyberwoman was eaten by a dinosaur (cuz she's black!).
"End of days" was so-so, the monster looked goofy and not as badass as the one on Satan's Pit. Jack's death scene was very gay.
"Fragments" was enjoyable, not for the main story but for the flashbacks on how the torchwood members were recruited. James Marsters looked hella old compared to his Buffy days. Exit wounds was okay-ish. I don't get why people were complaining about the actor who played Gray. His acting was totally wooden, but it still works since Gray is mentally damaged, the emotionless look kinda works.
I've also been browsing news sites for info on the upcoming 4th season and man, I get the impression that Torchwood tends to have a lot more immature fans than Doctor Who. The outrage over Ianto's death is ridiculous. The comments of people who want Ianto back look like youtube flamewars.
I'm interested in what the fourth season will be like, with Jack out of the picture and the goofy-toothed chick pregnant. It could work if they bring in another former companion to restart Torchwood 3.
You have seen Season Three/Children of Earth, right? Just making certain, as it's the pinnacle of Torchwood.
Season one was pretty much shit for me. Didn't like any of it. At all.
Season two was okay. Enjoyed the growing chemistry. Then they kill off half the cast. Spoilers.
Season three/CoE was raw and awesome and everything Torchwood should have always been. It's astonishes me that Russel T. Davies wrote that one.
The upcoming Season four is being co-produced by American cable network Starz Channel, and includes Captain Jack, Gwen, her husband Rys, and a new supporting cast. Supposedly they are going global with this one, and will include characters from multiple countries.
Also, RTD just made a statement in the press about it, saying that thanks to the recent season of Doctor Who, the Cardiff Rift has sealed. Thus, the team no longer needs to be in Cardiff and will be based in another country...
Yeah, I've seen COE 1-5, and were actually the first ones I've seen. Thank fuck for that, if I started with season 1, eps 1-2, I never would have bothered.
I hope they retain Lois Habiba. She makes my pee pee tickle, even though she's black.
On a slightly related tangent, I've also been looking at rumor sites for Who, in anticipation of the Xmas special, and I notice a growing trend towards hating Matt Smith. Like it's suddenly the cool/edgy thing to hate on the eleventh.
Which is a shame, Smith's rendition is entertaining and stands on its own merit, even if you compare him to the the ones before him. In fact, most longtime fans (the ones who really grew up watching the classic eps) tend to like him OR at least find him passable. The rabid smith haters are usually those who cut their teeth on Tennant.
Yeah, I've seen COE 1-5, and were actually the first ones I've seen. Thank fuck for that, if I started with season 1, eps 1-2, I never would have bothered.
I hope they retain Lois Habiba. She makes my pee pee tickle, even though she's black.
You know that was originally supposed to Martha Jones (from Who) and the stuff Gwen's husband got into was going to be Mickey Smith. It was leading from the end of Tennant's 4th season, when they all go off with Captain Jack. However, Freema started filming Law & Order: UK before they got her locked down. And, Noel Clarke won a few BAFTA awards as a film maker, and was unavailable. Thus, the rewrites.
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On a slightly related tangent, I've also been looking at rumor sites for Who, in anticipation of the Xmas special, and I notice a growing trend towards hating Matt Smith. Like it's suddenly the cool/edgy thing to hate on the eleventh.
Which is a shame, Smith's rendition is entertaining and stands on its own merit, even if you compare him to the the ones before him. In fact, most longtime fans (the ones who really grew up watching the classic eps) tend to like him OR at least find him passable. The rabid smith haters are usually those who cut their teeth on Tennant.
Weird, what sites are you going to? I'm not seeing any of that, other than the random tweeny-fag whining about Tennant. But, trust me, this kind of subversive resentment only lasts for about a year or so. I saw it back when Tom Baker left and Peter Davison took over. Once they realize the one and only Doctor they've watched isn't coming back, they'll decide whether they want Doctor Who or The David Tennant Show and leave or stay accordingly.
Everything...and I mean damn near everything...I've read on the net shows that Matt Smith blew the doors off people's expectations. I've seen an amazing amount of fans declare him "even better than Tennant".
So, fans are a mercurial, whiny little bitch-hive. In the end, none of that matters, as the BBC see the internet fanboys like myself as part of the "irrelevant vocal minority" (RTD quote). And, really, so they should. As long as eight-to-ten million viewers are still watching per week, as they have for the past five years, Matt Smith is just as solid as David T.
And dammit, do I looooove me some Matt Smith. I haven't been this in love with a Doctor since Eccleston. And I totally thought that was a rare event. I want to make fuck to Matt Smith and his companions. The end.
You monkeys probably already know this, but apparently the next series will be shown in two blocks rather than in the traditional series run. The first block will end with a cliff hanger then the show will come back a few months later for the second block.
I know, wtf man?! Why are they doing this to me? Is it a ratings thing against the weather and competing channels? Are they throwing the second half up against "X-Factor"? Won't Cyclops be pissed?
only two reasons i can think of. One would be that Smith has prior commitments (i doubt someone like him would have enough clout to allow himself to arrange new projects mid series.)
The other reason is maybe they feel that keeping people waiting will hype them up for the return upping viewing figures.
I really want to support this incarnation of Who to help make it last, much like I did the first series of the relaunch. Laying my money down is the best way to do that.
Not to mentions, the Extras on there are going to be awesome. There's even extra scenes filmed specifically for the disc release, that are written by Moffat, and take place "in-between" episodes. Plus, I cannot remember the last time I enjoyed the behind-the-scenes chemistry of the stars like I do Matt, Karen, and Arthur. They are fucking hilarious together!
I've been watching the behind the scenes stuff, and I'm starting to warm up to Karen Gillan more as the actress instead of just liking her as Amy Pond. She seems genuinely funny and enjoys goofing around.
Honest answer? I couldn't find good full-frame shots of those two Doctors. Also, I think it might make it too crowded. But, if you know of any top-to-bottom shots of Doc's 2 and 7, please post!
Upcoming season's first two episodes to be set in the U.S.
The BBC announced today that season six of Doctor Who, which delivered record ratings for BBC AMERICA earlier this year, will open with a spectacular two-parter set in the U.S. and penned by 'Who supremo' Steven Moffat.
In the special two-parter co-produced with BBC AMERICA, key scenes will be filmed in Utah for a story set in the late '60s in which the Doctor, Amy and Rory find themselves on a secret summons that takes them on an adventure from the desert in Utah - right to the Oval Office itself.
Production on episodes one and two of the new season starts in Cardiff this month and Matt Smith, Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill will then travel to America in mid November to shoot pivotal scenes.
Showrunner and lead writer, Steven Moffat, said: "The Doctor has visited every weird and wonderful planet you can imagine, so he was bound get round to America eventually! And of course every Doctor Who fan will be jumping up and down and saying he's been in America before. But not for real, not on location - and not with a story like this one! Oh, you wait!"
Piers Wenger, Head of Drama BBC Wales and Executive Producer, added: "Steven's scripts generally inspire us to go that extra mile - this time we're going that extra four thousand. Thanks to our friends at BBC AMERICA and to the continuing ambition of our lead writer and production team, the first two episodes of Matt Smith's second season as the Doctor are going global and look set to become Doctor Who's most action-packed and ambitious season opener yet".
The new season follows on from the Doctor Who Christmas special guest starring Katherine Jenkins and Michael Gambon which is due to premiere at Christmas. Season six will start airing on BBC AMERICA in spring 2011 and has been split into two blocks, with the second block airing in autumn 2011. By splitting the series Moffat plans to give viewers one of the most exciting Doctor Who cliffhangers and plot twists ever, leaving them waiting, on the edge of their seats, until the autumn to find out what happens.
2010 has been a breakthrough year for the Doctor Who franchise across all platforms since BBC AMERICA became the official home of the series. The series reached the number one spot on the "Top TV Seasons" chart on iTunes and now Doctor Who: The Complete Fifth Season hits stores on Blu-ray and DVD on November 9.
Showrunner and lead writer, Steven Moffat, said: "The Doctor has visited every weird and wonderful planet you can imagine, so he was bound get round to America eventually! And of course every Doctor Who fan will be jumping up and down and saying he's been in America before. But not for real, not on location - and not with a story like this one! Oh, you wait!"
Not being funny, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements I have seen in a while. He says "he was bound to get to America eventually" and then says "every Who fan will be jumping up and down as saying he has been to America before".
Now what I find ridiculous in the statement is the fact that he then says "never on location..blah blah blah". So, does "The Doctor has visited every weird and wonderful planet you can imagine" mean that he was actually on those planets then? Or, was he, like his original journey to America, still in the UK on a set?
The statement in itself would have been fine if it wasnt for the bit about him going to all those planets and finally getting round to going to America.
I'm sure it is big news filming in the USA, but at least try to keep things straight when doing comparisons.
No, seriously, the last time they set it in America (filmed in Canada) The Doctor lands and is immediately shot by gang violence. I'd imagine he would steer clear of The States when possible...
Totally. The Doctor gets fucked in the ass everytime he lands in America. Eccleston's Dalek was set in (funny enough) Utah, 2013. Daleks in Manhattan was not only one of the gayest episodes ever made, it gayed The Doctor out. From that two-parter on I couldn't get into Ten's character. So, if I were The Doctor, I'd visit the aliens in Mexico or Canada. Or Australia. Or have him fight the terrible Myx-Max in Chile...
It's amazing that the Doctor planned everything that happened, the entire season. Kind of like a more benevolent 7th. This is in contrast with tenth's spur of the moment-type brilliant ideas.
We knew this was coming. It's long been stated in Doctor Who lore that our favourite Time Lord gets twelve regenerations in his life, before time finally comes to an end for him. And while there have been hints over the years about how this will be circumnavigated when the time comes, we're getting ever closer to the point where it needs to be addressed directly. After all, we're on Doctor number eleven so far, Matt Smith, and that leaves two actors to take the role before the number's up.
And even that's if you overlook The Valeyard from The Trial Of A Time Lord, implied to be a future iteration of the Doctor towards the end of that particular saga.
Most of us suspected for some time that something akin to the Master being given more regenerations in The Five Doctors would be employed in the end, as this clearly set down the idea that a Time Lord's life could be extended by other Time Lords. But then there weren't any Time Lords left in the revival of the show. And now there are again. Which surely left a door open somewhere.
As has been reported, however, there's a line coming up in The Sarah Jane Adventures which might just lay the path for an easier way out. In the episode concerned - Death Of The Doctor - Matt Smith's Doctor is asked by Clyde just how many times he can regenerate. The Doctor tells him that there's not a limit. Then they just get on with the episode.
It's thus being speculated that the Doctor is now immortal, that because of the demise of the Time Lords themselves he's got a free pass to a longer existence. I'd wager that there's going to be more to it than that, though. It could, after all, be that the Doctor is lying to Clyde. It would also mean that, if they dismissed the regeneration question here, they're missing out on a far more substantive narrative arc for the 13th Doctor, whoever that's likely to be (the aforementioned Valeyard, in theory).
It's a week or two yet before Death Of A Doctor screens (although one or two of our number did catch it at the BFI screening this week, and confirmed the line concerned), but we'd wager that the BBC has just managed to pump up its viewing figures when it does go out...
The Sherlock Holmes movies are very good! Went an ordered them right away when they were mentioned here a bit back in the thread. PBS is also going to be running them later on this month.
Damn, Katy Manning has NOT aged well. I wonder what possessed them to bring her back for this? Rumors are that Jo has a son now, and that he will be joining the cast full-time. That might be a cool angle to play with, I don't know...
... Damn, Katy Manning has NOT aged well. I wonder what possessed them to bring her back for this? Rumors are that Jo has a son now, and that he will be joining the cast full-time. That might be a cool angle to play with, I don't know...
Considering that she's over 60 I think she looks pretty good. I was surprised though that Elizabeth Sladen is actually bit older than Manning.
Yeah, but Sladen hasn't had any work done. Katy just ballsed-out her face years ago trying to maintain her "30s". Now she just looks like she escaped from the Secret of Nimh...
... Damn, Katy Manning has NOT aged well. I wonder what possessed them to bring her back for this? Rumors are that Jo has a son now, and that he will be joining the cast full-time. That might be a cool angle to play with, I don't know...
Considering that she's over 60 I think she looks pretty good. I was surprised though that Elizabeth Sladen is actually bit older than Manning.
In all honesty, she was never really that good looking. There are numerous companions that were much better looking just in the original era. Sladen. Jameson. Bryant. Tamm. Shit. I just realized how much prime tail Tom Baker's Doctor was pulling.
I was reading the Wiki entry on the Canadian animation company Nelvana today and found out that they had been in talks with CBS in the 80's to do a Doctor Who animated series that didn't materialize (no pun intended). They did have some conceptual artwork made up.
That would have been a fun series. Nelvana produced some holiday specials that I remember being pretty good. They almost went belly up making the animated movie "Rock and Rule" that had Blondie and Cheap Trick doing the sound track.
I've been trying to download Rock and Rule since March. It's been at 99% since July. I am kind of curious as to what it would of been like, especially looking at the obvious 4th Doctor with white hair and those crazy Dalek ships. It may have been able to do for Doctor Who what the Star Trek cartoon did for Trek by increasing the scope of the stories. Though it being on network TV in the 80's would probably have had it too kiddie.
Try some of the holiday specials Nelvana aired. I think "The Devil and Daniel Mouse" one is all up on utube. That was one of their first and better ones.
By the 80's, though, they were trying to keep afloat after Rock and Rule got a bad run in the US due to no support from American distributors and doing a lot of licensed stuff. Care Bears, Strawberry Shortcake, and that kinda bull. The best they did was the Star Wars cartoons which I personally don't remember being all that good. I don't know. It would have been interesting to see at any rate.
Big Finish, the audio production company, have decided to "update" the 8th Doctor's image. Since the last time we saw him in 1996, he looked like this:
Now, he looks like this:
The change was made for branding purposes, allowing them to get a modern Paul McGann's Doctor licensed away from the co-op FOX production. The new look also has the advantage of being closer to what the actor requested back in the day. And isn't it about time one of The Doctor's grew some facial hair?
Oh look, this is the 8th doctor the way he looked last month, and this is how he looks now! It looks like he aged four weeks! It much be a side effect of time travel!
I can understand someone who doesn't really get into the show thinking some of the stuff is minutia. But, when the licensed companies decide to alter the brand, I think it's a big deal. That's what Doctor Who is about: change.
I think the carry-bag is cool, if only because it screams 90's. Since that's his era, and each Doctor is very much a product of their time, this is just the flip side to the Neil Gaiman/Gothy/'Lord Byron' look he started with. Just like the 90's.
And yes, I do hope it hold weed.
As for the sonic, it looks cheap and dumb. I could do without it. But, overall, I like that this can be considered what the 8th Doctor looked like during The Time War.
For fucksake. Why can't they just have a Paul McGann flashback episode in lieu of the normal 'Doctor-lite' episode they come up with (usually, except Smith didn't take a break this year).
Speaking of the Doctor-lite episodes, I wonder what's so tiring about filming thirteen episodes that the stars usually need an episode off per year? All totaled, David Tennant was the only one that needed a day off. Perhaps it's just a budget thing? Make thirteen episodes of a series, but only have to pay the star for twelve?
I guess I should be glad that it's a sling bag, and not a Rob Liefield-type belt with lots of packets, also, gloves, vests, and popped up collars.
And hands with eight fingers and no feet!
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The budget constraints I don't get, why are they so limited by the budget? isn't BBC sponsored by the people's tax dollars?
You answered your own question. The Beeb, as far as I know, is a corporation that is allocate so much "License Fee" every year by the tax payers. Like any corporation, they take 90% for their execs and 10% for their shows...
I see. I was expecting that since it's paid for by the country, that they'd have more money to burn than if they were privately owned or funded by product sponsorship.
I assume that if people were paying for it, they'd be up in arms if they see something low budget and say "we paid for this?"
The BBC isn't one channel, though. It's four TV channels and several radio channels. The money is pretty well spread out. Yes, execs take a big chunk out of the money, but so do actor salaries and the like.
Also, Pro, you might want to save up and buy a Wii around Nov. 12th.
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On September 6, 2010, it was announced that the game would support a Wii Remote accessory modelled to look like the Eleventh Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver
And no. As for the Wii, I will hold out. See, when I was nine, I said I wanted Doctor Who action figures. I swore that, even if I had to have them specially made one day, I would buy Doctor Who figures! It took twenty-five-years, but I got them!
So, I now wait for the proper full-immersion, open-sandbox, GTA-style Doctor Who game I know will come one day.
I'd buy a GTA-style Who game. I be all into hijackin other timelords' tardises and pickin up assistants at street corners, only to slap them bitches around so that I can reclaim my money.
This is my attempt to see what it would look like, now, if all the living Docs came together for a 50th anniversary episode. As you can see, I made the Colin figure from scratch using three different pics. At no time has that guy been that age with that much hair, in that suit. As for the rest, I got as close to now as I could with the right pic, even though (honestly) the Tom pic is from, like, ten years ago. I can't find a better "current Tom" to use...
BTW, Pro, got any MP3s of Eleventh's action theme? (I could go either way on Next Stop: Everything and Every Star, Every Planet since they're basically the same).
I tried ripping from the HQ youtube uploads but the files that came out where 59 kbps, 22 khz, which sounds like AM radio.
That's one thing where Eleventh's got both Tenth and Ninth beat, right? His entrance music. When you hear those four chords you know shit is going down.
Oh totally. His is much more alive and electric. However, it should be said, I do like the Ninth's anthem first heard in Rose when he does the hand-holding/world-spinning speech with Billie Piper. The woman's voice is just haunting...
I have, though, pre-ordered the last series from Amazon.
Just got this in today. I have packages like this delivered to work so I won't find it sitting on my fucking doorstep when I get home. Nice 3D cover with the slide-out having the Pandorica on the front and back. Nice artwork on the inside of the box and three cards. Can't wait to start watching the extras.
Yeah, that's the crappy fill-in art for one of those IDW miniseries. Obviously whoever drew that spread didn't have many reference shots to go by. My god, look at Tom Steven Moffat Baker, and the girl dressed as Peter Davison...
I just watched the Sarah Jane Adventures two parter where the Shansheeth conned people into thinking that the doctor is dead. From what I've seen, SJA is really just for kids. Even more so than DW, and it's not as good as Torchwood and DW at hiding the low budget.
The episode itself fails to build any sort of suspense because it's very obvious from the start that the doctor really isn't dead, and the guest cast is pretty thin with just Jo and Sarah as the invited former companions.
Only good things about the episode is Matt Smith and the part where they got stuck at the alien planet, including the doctor's conversation with Jo - this coupled with his conversations with Amy, Rory, Van Gogh, and Craig, make it seem like Eleventh is a kinder, more compassionate doctor than Tenth and Ninth.
Absolutely, SoM. This Doctor is not so full of himself, or still feeling bruised from The Time War. The Doctor was always relatively compassionate, except in the past couple of years. I enjoyed his talk with Jo, as well. However, I have to say, the idea that Ten went and visited ALL of his former companions is kind of....silly. I mean, how long did he hold off the regeneration? Come on. That's just RTD taking it to extremes.
And, another err I have with the dialogue was the speech at the end about all the former companions and stuff. Tegan and Ace working for a charity? Ian and Barbara "immortal"? I can and will easily ignore all of that, as it makes no damn sense with the show...
More or less. Gallifreyans seem to have some kind of low-level telepathy going on all the time. However, he usually has to make physical contact (see Tennant scanning Madame DePompadour's mind in Girl in the Fireplace and Donna Noble's departure episode, Journey's End).
And I'd be fine with that explanation for the episode in question. I'm going to ignore it one way or the other...
They(BBC/2Entertain) have released a set of remastered Who dvds! A strange combination of Talons of Weng Chi-ang, Caves of Androzani & the Movie! Not seen the movie in an age! Really enjoyed it for what it was.
I see. I was expecting that since it's paid for by the country, that they'd have more money to burn than if they were privately owned or funded by product sponsorship.
I assume that if people were paying for it, they'd be up in arms if they see something low budget and say "we paid for this?"
You're opening a can of worms there my boy!
The shitcunts at the bbc thought their show was out of touch, instead of putting more money into it, they decided to kill it.
Remember Who was before Trek and the UK - a pathetic bitch of a island had the longest running Sci-fi before the US.
My trek Knowledge is limited but the next Generation came about 87? Who was still running. But just because the boss(bbc) at the time didn't like Who, it ended! The only BBC product that made money on VHS sales and if marketed properly could have made so much more money with decent toys- poor old Prom, waiting 21 years for half decent figures!
Who was cancelled and BBC disregarded everything Who. Virgin stepped in and made a packed released new novels every month! US comic fans marvel at Spidergirl surnviving through adversity - fuck that shit! Who was murdered by the BBC, yet still would not die.
VHS died and fans started to buy up the rereleased DVDS!
It fucks me up that some sheep-shagging gaylord thinks he brought Who back! Who should never have gone away!
Look at the BBCs output in the last few years, the stuff that the US and the rest of the world is interested in - Action orientated stuff, not the gay period pieces they've been pissing our money on.
God forbid that you see the shit they make that they can't sell to you guys!
Who has been the only profitable thing that they BBC have ever been able to sell abroad and they treated it like shit!
I really think if the BBC kept their finger on the pulse, they would have kept Who running throughout the 90s, Quantum Leap, X-files, Trek were all very popular.
For fucksake. Why can't they just have a Paul McGann flashback episode in lieu of the normal 'Doctor-lite' episode they come up with (usually, except Smith didn't take a break this year).
Speaking of the Doctor-lite episodes, I wonder what's so tiring about filming thirteen episodes that the stars usually need an episode off per year? All totaled, David Tennant was the only one that needed a day off. Perhaps it's just a budget thing? Make thirteen episodes of a series, but only have to pay the star for twelve?
The papers heavily hyped a Time War episode as one of the specials of twatents last season, McGann was contacted but somewhere along the line, the bbc fucked it.
It's embarrassing that they only do 13 episodes a year.
Watched it. I grew a vagina towards the end and got teary-eyed a bit.
Dude, agreed! By BBCA showing it in "real time" for the States on Christmas Night, I was able to watch brand new Doctor Who with my family for the first time since I was a kid. Everyone loved it, even my sister. It was a moving piece, and pretty much flawless in my estimation. The single best Xmas Who episode ever made.
Also, I want to fuck Abigail (the blonde) in every possible way...
It was pretty cool getting to see this right away. Good special but it was sad that the woman ended up doomed. Her illness reminded me a little bit of Bladerunner. She didn't even get to spend her last day with a younger version of her scrooge.
Troughton on tv having a little fun at Colin Baker's expense.
God, I loved Troughton. He was such a class act.
I'd actually seen the previous clip before. It really shows how he and Pertwee has built this perfect little friendly-rivalry with the part. I guess they all do, in their own way (SEE: Colin and Syl's banter any time they are together). Too bad Tom can't unclench and enjoy it a bit, himself...
I honestly don't know. I'm trying to avoid any spoilers so I haven't kept up with it. Don't worry, they'll advertise the shit out of it on BBCAmerica when it does...
I honestly don't know. I'm trying to avoid any spoilers so I haven't kept up with it. Don't worry, they'll advertise the shit out of it on BBCAmerica when it does...
I only watch BBCA for Who and Survivors. I'm sure someone here will go on and on about the premiere date when it's announced.
Nicholas Courtney, passed on today, aged 81. The actor is best known for his appearances in the British sci-fi TV show Doctor Who, and has performed with more actors playing the Doctor than anyone else (William Hartnell as Space Security Agent Bret Vyon, Patrick Troughton as Colonel Lethbridge Stewart, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker, Pater Davison and Sylvester McCoy as Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart, a role he reprised last year in the Sarah Jane Adventures. He also played the role in a number of audio plays from Big Finish, with Colin Baker and Paul McGann.
The character was steeped in a military upbringing and had an unflappable approach to the strangest visions Doctor Who could throw at him, from aliens to robots to dinosaurs, once dismissing a trip to another planet as being nothing more that being thrown to a nearby quarry, and insisted that the TARDIS being bigger on the inside was a trick with mirrors.
The actor carried this masterful stuff upper lip in the face of adversity into other theatre and TV roles including Yes Prime Minister, Only Fools And Horses, French Fields and Rocky Horror Show. As honorary president of the Doctor Who Appreciation Society, he was also a convention regular.
Nick Courtney died yesterday after a very long and painful battle with cancer. I went to say goodbye to him on Friday at the wonderful hospice near Belsize Park in North London. The lady in charge said he was very stoical. And indeed he was. It was so distressing to see him so weak and yet so strong in resignation. My jokes were received with a generous effort from Nick to smile. I was with Michael McManus who helped me through the ordeal of seeing a beloved old pal so reduced by illness.
Of all the characters in Doctor Who there is no doubt that he was the most loved by the fans for his wonderful portrayal of the rather pompous Brigadier. "Five rounds rapid" was the line we all loved, always addressed to Sergeant Benton. Nick's close friends simply adored him. There was a certain innocence in his personality that was utterly endearing. He was very easy to tease, and I did my share, which made him shake his head in disbelief when he realised he had been had.
He was a wonderful companion and his friends would call each other or e-mail to relate the latest little stories of a night out with the Brig. He had a marvellous resonant voice which he used brilliantly when it was his turn to spin a yarn. And his background was fascinating too: born in Alexandria, Egypt, he was brought up speaking French and Arabic. Later he perfected English and after a few drinks he would speak in Latin tags to great comic effect.
News today of the death of actor Nicholas Courtney has struck genuine sadness through the geek community and the world at large. A fine actor and a seemingly genuinely lovely man, he was also the longest-serving actor in Doctor Who history.
His character, the unflappable Brigadier Alastair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, was one of the most beloved characters in the entire Whoniverse. He made his first appearance in 1969 adventure The Web Of Fear, then a mere Colonel, head of the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce, the international community's line of defence against alien threats. When the series went Earthbound in 1970, the Doctor was employed by Unit and the Brigadier became central to the series' "Scooby Gang".
The Brigadier occupies a unique position in Who lore. It is the Doctor's defining quality to abhor violence, refusing to use weapons even when absolutely necessary. Lethbridge-Stewart was a military stalwart, his instinct to shoot at the alien threat with a catchphrase of: "Five rounds, rapid!" The two men's differing approaches tested as much as complemented each other.
Famously, in the Third Doctor Silurian story, the Brigadier orders the destruction of the underground Homo Repltilia settlement, to the Doctor's disgust. But he also served as a human, and humane, counterpoint to the Time Lord's alien eccentricities, and the pair developed a professional respect and personal affection.
While circumstance dictated that the Doctor's female companions would come and go on a biannual basis, their bromance was a rare constant in the renegade's life, and when our hero returned to travelling through time and space, the Brigadier appeared alongside every subsequent Doctor from the classic series (barring the sixth, unless we're counting the audio-plays as canon, in which case we'll be here all day).
When Unit turned up again in the Tenth Doctor story The Poison Sky, the organisation had toughened up and skewed its moral compass. "Sir Alastair" as he was now known was stranded Peru during the crisis. The Doctor openly pined for the Brigadier's more honourable way of doing things.
His final appearance on the main show came in 1989's Arthurian Legend-riff Battlefield, where the now-retired Lethbridge-Stewart battled a Jean Marsh-portrayed version of Morgan La Fay alongside the Seventh Doctor. The plan had been to kill the character off, but with all hell breaking loose, his death could only have been an incidental plot point, and producer John Nathan-Turner told Courtney, "If you're going to die, I want your death to mean something." This was how significant he had become, and he was allowed to live happily ever after in his country pile. A year later the series was axed.
Lethbridge-Stewart returned to the screen one last time in 2008 for a guest appearance in spin-off The Sarah-Jane Adventures. Now a retired General turned schoolteacher, he was called in to help his old friend. The warmth between the two former colleagues, their lives forever fused together by their experiences with the man in the blue box, was genuinely touching.
It was much the same in real life. Courtney knew he was part of something special, and never stopped enthusiastically cheerleading for Who, attending conventions and taking part in numerous Big Finish audio plays. He was rightly proud to be defined by his defining role. The time-space continuum feels a little bit smaller without him in it.
Did you also know that Georgia Moffat (daughter of actor Peter Moffat/"Peter Davison") is best friends with the daughter of Colin Baker (6th Doctor)?
Did you know that Sylvester McCoy's (7th Doc) son is best friends, and was Best Man for, Paul McGann's (8th Doc) son?
Did you know that Janet Fielding (formerly "Tegan Jovanka" from the Davison years) is Paul McGann's agent, and even got him the job as the 8th Doctor?
Did you know that while Jon Pertwee and Pat Troughton's on-and-off screen animosity was simply two true friends having fun with each other, Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee normally refused to be in the same room with each other? Per Tom: "Jon is pompous know-it-all." Per Jon: "Who the hell does this kid think he is?"
Did you know that David Tennant (10th Doc) married Georgia Moffat (daughter of 5th Doctor, Peter Davison)?
Neat. But, quite a few assumptions and inaccuracies. The 7th Doc faced the Rani once. They put quotations around the the word "granddaughter" as if there were some dispute over the fact (there isn't...only fanboys try and force their personal theories about this....yet, in the show itself, there is no question of her heritage). The 1st Doctor was the first one to wear reading glasses, not the 5th. The 11th Doctor was joking when he said he could regen more than 13 times. Etc., Etc.
So, basically, a pretty picture with facts made up by someone who started watching the show in the past couple of years and hasn't paid attention very well...
'Doctor Who' premiere date, plot details, poster revealed -- EXCLUSIVE by James Hibberd
Doctor Who fans, your wait is almost over. EW has learned the premiere date of the new season of the international cult hit, plus some plot details and we have a first look at the show’s marketing art.
BBC America will launch Doctor Who on Saturday, April 23 at 9 p.m ET. That’s Part One of a two-part opener penned by showrunner Steven Moffat (who also did the BBC’s Sherlock reboot — rent it if you’re a Holmes & Watson fan and haven’t seen it yet). This season also includes guest star Mark Sheppard (Supernatural, Battlestar Galactica). Alex Kingston (ER, Flash Forward) is returning for this round too.
The premiere description has the Brit team filming in North America for the first time: “The Doctor (Matt Smith), and his companions Amy (Karen Gillan) and Rory (Arthur Darvill), find themselves on a secret summons that takes them on an adventure from the desert in Utah — right to the Oval Office in 1969.”
Doctor Who underwent some changes last season when Moffat took over the lead writing duties on the show and Smith stepped into the starring role. The show jumped to record ratings for BBC America and was a top seller on iTunes behind only AMC’s Mad Men and Fox’s Glee.
From I've read, actually, the Brits start on April 3rd. So, looks like they'll be two weeks apart. Of course, I read that from fans and nothing official. So, actually, I'm not certain...
Oh Tom. That was his drinking-to-death-from-depression era, right after he left Doctor Who. When everyone was betting he'd be dead within months. Thank god his current wife found him, slapped some sense into him, and sobered him up in the 90's.
Okay, based on that trailer, here is my theory for the season:
Warning, Spoiler:
For some reason, Amy shoots River, killing her. This means she dies before she is supposed to in season 4's Silence in the Library. Thus, why you see Eccleston's console room at the :36/:37....The Doctor's personal timeline shifts and changes from this...he never goes to the Library, because there is no River to call him there. His life takes a different path, and he never regenerates, which never destroys the console room. Thus, my prediction is that we'll see The Doctor revert to David Tennant for the mid-season cliffhanger finale. God I hope I'm wrong.
GREAT WORK PRO I got the Doctor set for Christmas gotta set it up!
Havent watched latest Doc much but Christmas special which was awesome. Been too crazy busy but kids and wife have fallen in love (or favorite episodes FATHERS DAY and VOYAGE OF DAMNED respectively for Eccleston and Tennant) And despite how crappy they handled Rose marrying clone Doctor if we have a next baby and its a girl ROSE TYLER AADAM CHRISIAN for a boy fav Batman actors. Maryjane and Helena being my two girls now.
Thus, my prediction is that we'll see The Doctor revert to David Tennant for the mid-season cliffhanger finale. God I hope I'm wrong.
LMAO!
I doubt they'd bring Tennant back unless it's a team up. I''d love a Eccelston/Tennant/Smith story.
Maybe they'll bring back the Tennant clone from the Rose earth. He would get mixed up with Smith in a regeneration and create a whole new doctor with unlimited regenerations.
Hey,maybe he would regenerate as a woman and they would reveal that he is River Phoenix!
"Fear me,I've killed hundreds of timelords." "Fear me,I've killed all of them."
I was recently contracted to write something about Marvel's Death's Head, during my wiki-researching, I found out that The Doctor is actually part of his (and marvel's, for that matter) continuity. Which is kind of neat. The 7th doctor was responsible for Death's Head being human-sized even though he used to be as big as any run of the mill Decepticon.
Anyone else know of Marvel characters that had a run in with the doc?
Not off the top of my head. Although, writers are constantly making "Doctor" references with Doc Pym in the Avengers. But, I don't think any superheroes have ever met The Doctor. And, while I knew there was a Marvel UK connection between Death's Head and Doctor Who, I didn't know Death's Head was originally a Transformer. Weird!
Oh, and in Alan Davis' Excalibur back in the late 80's, there was a British military response team called "W.H.O." (Weird Happenings Organization) run by a "Brigadier Allison Lethbridge-Stewart" whose father had also been a "Brigadier" in another "top secret" group (i.e. UNIT)...
Now that I think more about it, it's probably Death's Head visiting the doctor's universe and not the other way around. Primarily because the doctor doesn't really travel across dimensions intentionally.
From what I've read, Death's head was originally created in a Transformers comic, as a bounty hunter of sorts. But the creators made a comic of his own to prevent Hasbro from gaining the rights to the characters. And from then on he found his way to other continuities.
It's really hard to place how DH fits in Marvel's continuity since he's probably the Marvel equivalent to Lobo. He's been in a universe where all the marvel heroes died in the hands of Baron Von Strucker and he's had a total of two run ins with the timelord (one was an accident during his giant transformer days, and the other when he was normal sized and went after a bounty placed on the doctor's head)
Also, on the doctor being in comic books - Qubit from Irredeemable is obviously modeled after tenth. But I dunno, outside of the trenchcoat, they don't seem to get the doctor. Not in the dialogue, not in the way he behaves (there's sort of a blatant attempt to push it when one of the characters emphasizes his "love for the earth" but feh, it seems forced.)
Only comic I have read (and bear in mind that I haven't read much) that seems to "get it" is one of the recent IDW comics with Eleventh, Amy, and Rory. Everything from the look to the script is immediately recognizable as Eleventh.
The story was about rory and amy checking out the data plan on the "phone that can call anywhere through time and space", which resulted in the time vortex bringing all of the spam mails to life.
There's also a band of merceneries led by a Danny Trejo lookalike. The doctor tricked all of them with the animated ms office stapler and a viagra adbot.
ever heard of Mr. X? Mr. X was a puppet on the Canadian version of Howdy Doody in the 50's. He traveled through time and space in a Whatsis Box, teaching kids about history. He was pulled from the show because parents claimed he was too frightening for their kids. He was also created by Sydney Newman, who initiated another show at the BBC a few years later. . .what was it called?
And please this is a rough moment for all us Who fans so nobody say "Somewhere in Hell the Devil's putting the wood to fine piece of ass." it's just disrespectful.
Her and Baker developed a great chemistry and sense of timing together. One of the best. With her gone, I wonder how RTD is going to gay up the show to keep it going.
Whenever Doctor Who fans gather together, it usually doesn’t take long before the question arises over the identity of the best “Doctor” of all-time. Far less often do followers of the BBC sci-fi show debate the identity of the best Doctor’s “companion.” Why? Largely because — with all due respect to Billie Piper, Karen Gillan, Nicola Bryant, Katy Manning et. al. — it is widely agreed that the best ever actor to play Watson to the Doctor’s Holmes was Elisabeth Sladen, who portrayed investigative reporter Sarah Jane Smith on the show, and who died earlier today.
The actress joined Doctor Who in 1973 and had the good fortune to appear opposite two excellent Doctors: Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker. But Sladen more than held her own as she battled Daleks, Cybermen, and other alien adversaries. The character of the plucky Sarah Jane proved so lastingly popular with fans that, thirty years after originally departing the TARDIS in 1976, the actress returned to the role to front the spin-off show The Sarah Jane Adventures.
However, it is was that initial onscreen farewell between Sarah Jane and Tom Baker’s Doctor which came to mind when I heard of Sladen’s death. I’ve embedded the sequence below. If you can watch it without getting something in your eye then you are a stronger person — or a lesser Whovian — than I.
I could into a lengthy explanation why some fans don't like RTD. I think many like him just fine. However, there is some element of burn-out on his part by the third year. And many also feel he shoe-horned a lot of his own agenda into the show. It's complicated, and can't be lump-summed, really. Your mileage may vary.
Meanwhile, I just read Tom Baker's obit to Lis Sladen. Damn, I didn't realize she was going to be doing the Big Finish audios with him. MotherFUCKER that's just the knife in the ribs right there...
We don't. I live in South Carolina, and downloaded it when I got home from the office tonight. Doc still lives in Mississippi and I don't know how he watched it. I'm in Eastern, and he's Central, and you're wrong....and gay....
Its almost like you guys live in the same time zone or something....
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We don't. I live in South Carolina, and downloaded it when I got home from the office tonight. Doc still lives in Mississippi and I don't know how he watched it. I'm in Eastern, and he's Central, and you're wrong....and gay....
It's funny when rex's own bitter sarcasm works against him.
The first episode in the new series of Doctor Who was watched by an average audience of 6.5 million viewers, according to overnight viewing figures.
On a sunny day in parts of the UK, that was down from the eight million recorded by overnight figures on Matt Smith's show debut in April 2010.
The Impossible Astronaut had an average audience share of 36.7%. Figures peaked at seven million.
The episode featured aliens partly inspired by Edvard Munch's The Scream.
BBC One viewers watched as Smith's Doctor was reunited with Karen Gillan's Amy Pond, Arthur Darvill's Rory Williams and Alex Kingston's River Song in 1960s America.
While final consolidated viewing figures - which include playback on recording devices - will push ratings higher, The Impossible Astronaut is likely to be the least watched series opener since Doctor Who was relaunched in 2005.
The new episode was described by the Daily Telegraph as a "wordy episode which concentrated more on atmosphere than pace and visual thrills".
9.6m - The Eleventh Hour - 3/4/2010 (Matt Smith) 9.1m - Partners in Crime - 5/4/2008 (David Tennant) 8.7m - Smith and Jones - 31/3/2007 (DT) 8.6m - New Earth - 15/4/2006 (DT) 10.8m - Rose - 26/3/2005 (Christopher Ecclestone) Source: Barb consolidated figures
Thanks, in part to "fizzing dialogue" and "a great concept" for a new monster, it was "a cracking start" to the new series, the paper added.
The Los Angeles Times, reviewing the programme because it is shown on BBC America, said Smith had "screwed into this role good and tight", praising his Doctor as "an ancient child, an unstable mix of authority and impulsiveness".
But Kevin O'Sullivan, writing in the Sunday Mirror, said the episode was called The Impossible Astronaut because it was "impossible to understand" complaining that "this ball of all-round confusion was no way to start a series".
The episode had been written for "strictly sci-fi nerds only", he added.
Saturday's episode began with a dedication to the memory of the late Doctor Who actress Elisabeth Sladen who died of cancer this week at the age of 63.
The actress also appeared in four series of spin-off show The Sarah Jane Adventures on children's channel CBBC, which began in 2007.
At the end of the The Impossible Astronaut, a tribute to Sladen - who starred opposite Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker as the Doctor's assistant between 1973 and 1976 - was screened on CBBC.
Saturday night's tribute featured Smith as well as his Doctor Who predecessor David Tennant.
Agreed! It looked like the same TARDIS-Y tech. I didn't think about the kid being a hologram, though. Totally possible knowing Moff.
Man, I looooooved the scene on the beach. Seeing how The Doctor can die if shot during regeneration? That's fucking awesome! And, is it me, or has Smith surpassed himself in the "Holy Shit" department? I just read on Twitter Colin Baker (6th Doc) praising Smith, saying he's a "maestro" in front of the camera. Couldn't agree more. When he lets his facade fall away in the TARDIS, during the scene where they're trying to convince him to go to 1969. Man...that was Patrick Troughton back from the dead. And yet, had an instant layer of depth from Smith's own addition to the character. The fucking darkness in his eyes during those scenes! He might be a "bow-tie wearing idiot" right now, but inside those eyes, he's still "The Oncoming Storm"...
River also had her moment, the one where she told Rory about how everytime she meets the doctor, he knows her more and more while it's vice versa for her. Really sad, especially if you put it in the context of what happens in the library.
It's also weird how Rory is bossed around considering that he's older than the rest combiined (although to be fair, he had to spend most of those years sitting in one place, and all those years could have been negated by the big bang 2).
River also had her moment, the one where she told Rory about how everytime she meets the doctor, he knows her more and more while it's vice versa for her. Really sad, especially if you put it in the context of what happens in the library.
It's also weird how Rory is bossed around considering that he's older than the rest combiined (although to be fair, he had to spend most of those years sitting in one place, and all those years could have been negated by the big bang 2).
Besides, somebody's gotta be the tin dog.
I think everybody got to shine this episode. Rory's switch from fear to 'there's nothing there' was probably the best of the episode.
I don't think Smith is to blame or be given credit for a good or bad episode. I think the strength of this series is in the writing and all the cool ideas they come up with.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. There's a shitload of Baker episodes that are only worth watching for Tom's performance. Moffat is bringing his A game with the writing, and Smith is taking it to the next level with his acting. The two of them together are making great Who.
I agree with Doc here. Moff's writing is excellent, as ever. But, even then, I felt that Tennant would let the material down at times in favor of gurning for the camera. Whereas, Smith just takes the material and enhances every moment and every line. He is in my estimation, quite simply, the best Doctor since Tom Baker. And yes, that even includes my man-crush Chris Eccleston. Smith just "has it".
River also had her moment, the one where she told Rory about how everytime she meets the doctor, he knows her more and more while it's vice versa for her. Really sad, especially if you put it in the context of what happens in the library.
Oh yeah, I mean, I've had a boner for Alex Kingston since her E.R. days. So, seeing her in Who is never a bad time for me. Oh, and I'm still of the mind that River is the daughter of Amy and Rory.
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It's also weird how Rory is bossed around considering that he's older than the rest combiined (although to be fair, he had to spend most of those years sitting in one place, and all those years could have been negated by the big bang 2).
Besides, somebody's gotta be the tin dog.
I was wondering about that, as well. How much of his two-thousand years of being "Rory the Roman" is still with him? I kind of think it might have "reset" him a little. But, he's still braver than he was last season. So, who knows? Besides, I love that character.
The Doctor can die if shot during regeneration? That's fucking awesome!
As far as I know regeneration is never guaranteed. He can die before the regeneration starts.
Quite true. But, we've never seen an example of it. That's what I'm talking about. It cements for the viewer that The Doctor is NOT immortal, a trait that RTD seemed to want to push during his era. Moff's not having any of that shit...
Hey, guys, do me a favor? I promised the wife I wouldn't start season six until she was fully caught up. You guys, the sockfucker and the pederast excluded, know how women can be when they get interested in something you actually like. Suddenly, it's a couple thing. Unfortunately, she's only halfway through season 4. So, please, little to no spoilers or tell me to stay the fuck out of this thread. Thanks.
you know how women can be when they get interested in something you actually like. Suddenly, it's a couple thing.
Man, I totally feel your pain. Every time I get into a new tv show, if I make the mistake of showing my wife, I'm suddenly "wrong" for watching episodes ahead of her. Community, Sons of Anarchy, you name it, they went from being "my" shows to "our" shows.
Are YOU caught up Iggy? I'll do my best to not Spoilerize anything. Or at least, I'll try to give you Spoiler warnings.
BTW, are you getting your Who from "alternate sources"? Because, if you are lacking any, I know where you can find episodes. PM me if you need it...
Hey, guys, do me a favor? I promised the wife I wouldn't start season six until she was fully caught up. You guys, the sockfucker and the pederast excluded, know how women can be when they get interested in something you actually like. Suddenly, it's a couple thing. Unfortunately, she's only halfway through season 4. So, please, little to no spoilers or tell me to stay the fuck out of this thread. Thanks.
Stay the fuck out of this thread. That's really the easiest solution.
Shit, if I didn't do anything my wife told me not to do I would have absolutely no fun at all.
Oh, I didn't say I don't secretly watch ahead of her and then pretend I haven't seen the episodes.... Not to mention, she knows that I started Doctor Who almost twenty-five years before I met her. So, there's no question I'll watch any and all Who without her at my whim...
you know how women can be when they get interested in something you actually like. Suddenly, it's a couple thing.
Man, I totally feel your pain. Every time I get into a new tv show, if I make the mistake of showing my wife, I'm suddenly "wrong" for watching episodes ahead of her. Community, Sons of Anarchy, you name it, they went from being "my" shows to "our" shows.
Are YOU caught up Iggy? I'll do my best to not Spoilerize anything. Or at least, I'll try to give you Spoiler warnings.
BTW, are you getting your Who from "alternate sources"? Because, if you are lacking any, I know where you can find episodes. PM me if you need it...
No "alternate sources" here. I "pay my tithes" to the Cult of Skaro...:cough: BBC :cough:...if you know what I mean. But, I've already got the five complete seasons and the specials. Though, I am having trouble tracking down a lot of the classic series stuff so if it could help with that...
Thanks for being considerate on spoiler warnings though, hopefully, I won't need them for too long. I got the wife through season four last night. So, only the specials and season five to go. If all goes according to plan, I should be able to catch up before the third episode airs. Luckily, she is loving watching it through the wonders of HDMI on the new TV (46' LED! ) so that shouldn't be a problem.
Shit, if I didn't do anything my wife told me not to do I would have absolutely no fun at all.
Oh, I didn't say I don't secretly watch ahead of her and then pretend I haven't seen the episodes.... Not to mention, she knows that I started Doctor Who almost twenty-five years before I met her. So, there's no question I'll watch any and all Who without her at my whim...
Same here. Unfortunately, her female intuition can be just a little to good when it comes to something as small as watching ahead of her. I could probably fuck fourteen women behind her back without her having a clue, but if I try to watch new episodes of "our show" while she is at work then it is like she knows it as soon as she walks in the door.
You think I'm joking. Seriously, she could come home with me reeking of other cunt and not notice a thing except that I watched an episode without her.
Off topic: I do have to say that watching the previous seasons has made my respect for Tennant go up a bit. Maybe, it is separating his work from Davies agenda or fully embracing his love of the Fifth Doctor, but he really isn't that bad. Nowhere near my favorite, but--still--a decent Doctor.
Totally a decent Doctor, yes. I think I just got burned out on him. He was overexposed to a point, and RTD has a way of overdoing everything. I honestly would have liked RTD to leave after Jesus-Doctor, and see what Ten would have been like full-time under The Moff. Still, I love Smith the most, so I'll deal...
I actually like Tennant more than Eccleston (F U Pro), but I admit that I soured a bit on him, not because of Tennant himself but the writing. Some of the stories required him to overdo the cheese and the drama. Let's hope Smith does not become a victim of that sort of thing.
I actually like Tennant more than Eccleston (F U Pro), but I admit that I soured a bit on him, not because of Tennant himself but the writing. Some of the stories required him to overdo the cheese and the drama. Let's hope Smith does not become a victim of that sort of thing.
Tennant was good, but I think there was too much importance on him being 'cool'. That's what's great about Smith's Doctor. He thinks he's cool but isn't.
Alright, The End of Time specials and season five to go. Speaking of which, Timothy Dalton has become one of my favorite Bonds post-Bond due to his villain roles as Rassilon and Alexei Volkoff (on Chuck, Mondays at 8:00 on NBC ). He plays a good crazed, evil leader. Hell, I would probably dig it if he was the first Bond Bond villain.
I was reading through this thread and thought that Snarf, of all people, bitching about the Tenth Doctor being emo was the most ironic thing I'd ever read on this board. Then, I saw this...
Yeah, I can't tell WHAT the hell is going on now. I liked this episode, but it felt a bit....rushed? I don't know. There was a l-o-t of stuff crammed in there. And, I'm starting to get a little impatient with the disjointed time storytelling technique. I know it's Moffat's forte', but still...I don't need another LOST. I want answers. Who is the girl? Is it River? Amy/Rory's daughter? The "Jenny"-clone from Ten's run? The daughter of River and The Doctor? Susan? I need some answers, and I bet I don't get them until the end of the season. If that, given this is The Moff. Look how "The Silence" has been stretched across the seasons. Anyway, the worst of Moff's episodes are still light-years ahead of most of RTD's best. I'll live with less-than-perfect.
Yeah, I can't tell WHAT the hell is going on now. I liked this episode, but it felt a bit....rushed? I don't know. There was a l-o-t of stuff crammed in there. And, I'm starting to get a little impatient with the disjointed time storytelling technique. I know it's Moffat's forte', but still...I don't need another LOST.
Never got into Lost or all the shows that were to copy it, so I guess I'm not burnt out on that type of storytelling. The closest thing I can think of that I've watched like it is Burn Notice, but that show is full of Bruce Campbell awesome.
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I want answers. Who is the girl? Is it River? Amy/Rory's daughter? The "Jenny"-clone from Ten's run? The daughter of River and The Doctor? Susan? I need some answers, and I bet I don't get them until the end of the season. If that, given this is The Moff. Look how "The Silence" has been stretched across the seasons. Anyway, the worst of Moff's episodes are still light-years ahead of most of RTD's best. I'll live with less-than-perfect.
I like it. The Moff has brought back a sense of excitement to Who not seen since the relaunch. He's also infused a sense of mystery that's good to talk about. I guess because my friend and his wife have just gotten into Who, I like having someone in person to talk about this kinda shit. And I know they'll want to talk about it tomorrow.
The Moff has brought back a sense of excitement to Who not seen since the relaunch.
Agreed. Re-watching season five with the wife and, though the most recent, it is still the most awesome season since they brought it back. Of course, I refused to watch Lost so, I too, may be a little partial on the structure.
Yeah, I can't tell WHAT the hell is going on now. I liked this episode, but it felt a bit....rushed? I don't know. There was a l-o-t of stuff crammed in there. And, I'm starting to get a little impatient with the disjointed time storytelling technique. I know it's Moffat's forte', but still...I don't need another LOST. I want answers. Who is the girl? Is it River? Amy/Rory's daughter? The "Jenny"-clone from Ten's run? The daughter of River and The Doctor? Susan? I need some answers, and I bet I don't get them until the end of the season. If that, given this is The Moff. Look how "The Silence" has been stretched across the seasons. Anyway, the worst of Moff's episodes are still light-years ahead of most of RTD's best. I'll live with less-than-perfect.
Not sure about next week. Pirates are boring.
Not much in the way of spoilers here so I'll just throw in that, yes, The Moff is a hundred times better than RTD. See post immediately above.
I share Pro's sentiment over this episode. I loved it, and recognize what Moffat is doing is similar to the previous seasons, where the season opener is a big setup for the season ender, followed by standalone stories that still touch on the season's big bad and tie the plot a little bit - but this episode seems too disjointed for me. Lots of things were happening, and the part -SPOILER ALERT- where amy got captured and got retrieved within the same episode felt awkward to me. I was expecting that they'll finish the show without getting amy back, and her predicament and retrieval will be unrelated to the Silents (or at least, the silents on that episode).
I feel excited about the TimeTot, though, and the Tennant-esque regeneration she did at the end. [/SPOILERS]
All caught up now and I have no idea what is going on. I like that we have "The Silence" finally showing up. I'm interested in seeing where they go with this and if it was just mentions in series 5 or if, maybe, they were behind the events of series 5 and needed the big bang 2 as part of their nefarious plot. Right now, I'm assuming that the astronaut that killed the Doctor was River. The evidence all points that way, but it could be something to throw us off the trail of who actually did it.
The little girl Time Lord? WTF? I have no idea where that is going.
Lastly, since series 5 seems to play so much into this season, I'm really wondering if The Moff is going to undo the RTD era and, possibly, take the Doctor a few regenerations back. Aside from the return of actual Daleks, I think there is something to the fact that we've been shown the various incarnations of the Doctor a few times (the print outs from the recognition machine and the telepathic headbutt) throughout series 5. Personally, while I would hate to just completely sweep the Eccelston and Tennant years under the rug, I would like to see the Last Great Time War and the time lock be undone so we could have all of those wonderful planets, stories, and such that Davies seemingly wanted nothing to do with.
Pirates this week? Eh. Karen Gillan possible looking like the hottest pirate ever? Yeah.
I don't see Moff taking it backwards. All I see is he seems to be trying to get away from RTD's "I love Earth and humans and The Doctor is Jesus" motif. The show is now pretty much exactly how I could have pictured it coming back in 2005. However, in RTD's defense, I doubt Moff could get away with the certainty of the series, budget, and all that if it weren't for the P.T. Barnum-esque "legend" that RTD surrounded the concept with. He added a grandiose respect for the concept that no writer has done before. That said, I'm glad he's gone, and I think Moffat will be taking it forward now. I think his goal is to add new places, creatures, and ideas to Doctor Who, rather than dipping backwards into old enemies and concepts. And, judging by the old enemies he's brought back (Silurians, Daleks, and the gang at the Pandorica) versus all the new crazy stuff he's added (Weeping Angels, The Silence, River Song, etc.) I would say the quality falls into the latter grouping.
BUT....let me say one thing: In the trailer for this season, there is a two-second clip of Amy and Rory in Ten/Nine's Coral-themed console room.......
More in reply to Pro than to your ass, SoM, but we do still have to deal with Amy's mantra, "Time can be rewritten." Throw in the previous TARDIS and the sky is the limit. Honestly, even if it was just the Time War being unlocked and the Time Lords' doomsday device being undone, I would really like to see just what the "Degradations of Skaro" and such really are. Whether or not that is that case remains to be seen. But, this season is setting up to be one hell of a ride.
Watched S6ep3. Better than I expected. I was expecting something riddled with injokes related to the Pirates of the Carribean, but instead got something that isn't really centered around pirates and their arrr matey stuff.
Even Swashbuckling Amy worked much better than it should. She didn't magically turn into a highly athletic fighter, you could tell that she was all over the place and the whole fight scene was awkward from the get go. Her bit only worked because the pirates (the doc and rory, as well) were dumbfounded (and she got taken down as soon as people got their bearings straight). The scene was cheesy and cute. Same goes for the doctor getting rid of the reflection in Toby's pendant, and the doctor hugging the TARDIS at the space hospital.
I didn't like the drama bit at the end with Rory being revived, though. I mean, if they keep this up Rory's death/near-death scenes and Amy's tears will no longer have any effect in the future. Gotta avoid overusing the drama.
The crew at the end was kind of cool. Very star trek-y (I wonder if they're going to show up again in some of the later episodes).
No more worries about spoiler tags, SoM. I like the episode. The little prequel from earlier this week helped abate my fear of it being to "piratey" going into it. Swashbuckling Amy was .
Agreed on the Rory thing. Still, I wonder if it all the death/near-death experiences might be related to him being a "miracle." Still so many questions this season and very few, if any, answers (for example, the lady with the eyepatch from this episode and day of the moon).
Barring a change in the line-up like with this episode, Gaiman episode is slated for next week. I can't wait.
Good ole fashioned Doctor Who fun. Even had a bit of an old Baker episode in there. Smith's is really developing the worried aspect of his Doctor very well. So, fuck all you shitheads who were bitching about it being a pirate episode before you even saw it.
Agreed with both of you. It wasn't an episode that I'd readily watch again, for sure. But, it wasn't terribly cringe-worthy either.
As for Rory, yeah, I was totally thinking, "...again?" I mean, Rory's died at least twice now, and Amy at least once. Let's get away from that before it becomes a "Jean Grey" joke.
So, fuck all you shitheads who were bitching about it being a pirate episode before you even saw it.
I didn't even see this when I responded last night. Yeah, the pirate aspect was the most boring of all, though, for me.
I think it comes down to how clueless The Doctor was the entire episode. Him getting one theory wrong was funny. The constant theme of him pretty much not knowing what was going on? Pfft. That's the kind of "RTD"-type Who I hate. The dumbing down of the Doctor so other characters can be important or "save the day". Unlike the rest, I feel no attraction to Karen Gillan, so I thought the Amy-pirate thing was pretty fucking clown-shoes. And why the Doc couldn't take control of the situation, I don't know. Same with Rory. At what point couldn't he have opened up that "door" in his head, and pulled out the Rory-the-Roman battle training he had? I'm ready for him to stop being such a helpless twit. Rory the Roman is awesome, and keeping him away from that role simply does disservice to the character, and the actor...
I bet Rory's going to betray the doctor pretty soon. And then him and the doc are going to do battle inside a volcano, where the doctor will sonic the fuck out of his limbs. And then Amy dies giving birth to twins, while the end credits show Rory being revived as a cyborg.
I think it comes down to how clueless The Doctor was the entire episode. Him getting one theory wrong was funny. The constant theme of him pretty much not knowing what was going on? Pfft. That's the kind of "RTD"-type Who I hate.
Didn't you have the phrase 'Perfect Ten' to describe the last Doctor? Again, I see this as no different than the old school Doctor Who. Also, it's not like he was clueless. He was just forming incorrect theories based on the evidence. Theories that fit what was happening at the time.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
The dumbing down of the Doctor so other characters can be important or "save the day".
Amy didn't save the day. She saved Rory because Rory wanted her to save him. The Doctor saved the day. He's the one who saved Rory from drowning and got them all aboard the alien ship. Honestly, I'm more unimpressed with the concept of River Song working the TARDIS better than the Doctor than I am things like this.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Unlike the rest, I feel no attraction to Karen Gillan,
You're dead to me, and nothing more you say will ever have any relevance.
Didn't you have the phrase 'Perfect Ten' to describe the last Doctor? Again, I see this as no different than the old school Doctor Who. Also, it's not like he was clueless. He was just forming incorrect theories based on the evidence. Theories that fit what was happening at the time.
It annoyed me. Annoyed me back in the day. Still does.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Amy didn't save the day. She saved Rory because Rory wanted her to save him. The Doctor saved the day. He's the one who saved Rory from drowning and got them all aboard the alien ship. Honestly, I'm more unimpressed with the concept of River Song working the TARDIS better than the Doctor than I am things like this.
I didn't say Amy saved the day. I just meant, The Doctor stumbled into the Win ass-backwards. At no point did I believe he knew what he was doing. That's not cool for me, when it comes to The Doctor.
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Dude, she's just not that hot. I'll go with River waaay faster than I would Amy...
Pro's always been my mentor in the ways of Who, but I'd have to disagree with his criticism of Eleventh's fallibility. I actually like it, makes his clever bits that much more clever in comparison. And it would be boring if he's like Super House M.D. where he'd get all the answers just by thinking really hard (and sometimes grimacing while a dramatic music swells in the background)
As for him not finding Karen hot - dude, all that Wondy impaling action is turning you gay. This is exactly what Joe Mama wants, so that he can horn in on the missus.
I don't know what to tell you. She's just not my type. I see that she's conventionally sexy. But....eh. I'll still go with either Season 1-Billie Piper or Martha/Freema...
1.Rose Tyler 2.Martha Jones 3.Tegan Jovanka 4.Peri Brown 5.River Song 6.Amy Pond 7.Sarah Jane 8.Donna Noble
1. Nicola Bryant/Peri 2. Mary Tamm/Romana I 3. Louise Jameson/Leela 4. Alex Kingston/River 5. Freeman Agyeman/Martha 6. Billie Piper/Rose 7. Elizabeth Sladen/Sarah-Jane 8. Karen Gillan/Amy 9. Anneke Willis/Polly 10.Sophie Aldred/Ace
I'd put Gillan above Piper any day, and you know I loved some Piper in that first series. Sophie Aldred? Seriously? With her Robert Z'Dar jowls? I'll give you a minute to Google that image.
1.Rose Tyler 2.Martha Jones 3.Tegan Jovanka 4.Peri Brown 5.River Song 6.Amy Pond 7.Sarah Jane 8.Donna Noble
1. Nicola Bryant/Peri 2. Mary Tamm/Romana I 3. Louise Jameson/Leela 4. Alex Kingston/River 5. Freeman Agyeman/Martha 6. Billie Piper/Rose 7. Elizabeth Sladen/Sarah-Jane 8. Karen Gillan/Amy 9. Anneke Willis/Polly 10.Sophie Aldred/Ace
I'd put Gillan above Piper any day, and you know I loved some Piper in that first series. Sophie Aldred? Seriously? With her Robert Z'Dar jowls? I'll give you a minute to Google that image.
You need new glasses,Doc.Gilian is a sexy girl but nowhere near as sexy as Piper.
1.Rose Tyler 2.Martha Jones 3.Tegan Jovanka 4.Peri Brown 5.River Song 6.Amy Pond 7.Sarah Jane 8.Donna Noble
1. Nicola Bryant/Peri 2. Mary Tamm/Romana I 3. Louise Jameson/Leela 4. Alex Kingston/River 5. Freeman Agyeman/Martha 6. Billie Piper/Rose 7. Elizabeth Sladen/Sarah-Jane 8. Karen Gillan/Amy 9. Anneke Willis/Polly 10.Sophie Aldred/Ace
I'd put Gillan above Piper any day, and you know I loved some Piper in that first series. Sophie Aldred? Seriously? With her Robert Z'Dar jowls? I'll give you a minute to Google that image.
I guess it depends on what age we're talking. Survival-era Sophie was a little hotty...
I honestly don't know what it is about Karen. Maybe it's the character? Anyway, she puts out absolutely zero sexual vibes for me. Just not into her.
I think that's part of her appeal. She doesn't come off as slutty or trying to look sexy (you rarely even see her on the show wearing clothes that show off her pits). She just looks nice, and leave a lot to the imagination. The accent is also a turn on.
On the other hand, that Chiang Lee girl from the movie was also hot.
Okay, boredom's gone. Things picked up. It was just the Tardis that was annoying. I blame it on the actress and Gaiman's script. The fast talking bit would have worked on Catherine Tate, Tennant, and Smith, but with that girl, meh.
I loved it. Thought it was absolutely brilliant. The Doctor's Wife is the TARDIS. Fucking great. Gaiman proved how big of a Who nerd he is with this script. Well worth the wait. Wondering if House is part of the whole 'other TARDIS' bit as well and if this is the last we'll see of him. Kinda sad they didn't take the chance to bring back some Timelords, though.
Apparently, I have read way too much Gaiman. I called her being the Tardis in the first five minutes. Still, loved the show and now we see where the previous TARDIS came into play. Here's hoping for more Gaiman Who in the future.
P.S. Next week's preview scared the ever-loving shit out of the wife.
Watched it. It was okay. The small horror bits, of House-TARDIS fucking with Ugly-Rose, were pretty well done. The Doctor/TARDIS conversations were well done. And the deaths of Auntie and Uncle were kinda funny. But there really wasn't much in the way of shocks or surprises that would keep me watching, and this new Doctor looks like Daniel Tosh and flits around like a Broadway wannabe. Pass on watching regularly.
"Ugly-Rose"? Who, Amy? And let's be honest Joseph. If it ain't Tom Baker, you're not liking The Doctor. That's how you've been since I met you. If Eccleston's awesomeness didn't move you, I don't expect Matt Smith's flawless performance as The Doctor to change your mind now...
There was SO MUCH of this episode to carve up. So many references (Eye of Orion, deleting rooms, etc.) So many hints and reveals (The Doc's first words about his TARDIS, why he chose that one, etc). And we even got to see a little bit more of the TARDIS interior. Although, as Neil said in the Confidential episode, it was more how he envisioned House transforming the corridors, rather than how they always look. Oh, and bringing back the old Troughton "Email/Message Box" was absolute sublime genius. Damn that was cool.
Either way, it was simply one of the best episode of the series. I, too, called who she was the moment I heard the engines "land" in her. I got that the moment it happened. And I loved how the entire story was handled.
Totally! According to Neil, that was the very first line of the script, and he wrote the story around it. It's a powerful line, and simply cements what we've always known about their relationship...
And let's be honest Joseph. If it ain't Tom Baker, you're not liking The Doctor. That's how you've been since I met you. If Eccleston's awesomeness didn't move you, I don't expect Matt Smith's flawless performance as The Doctor to change your mind now...
Swing and a miss, my friend. All jokes about your gayness for this show aside, I loved Eccleston's run AND enjoyed the vast majority of Tennant's. There was a cynicism in Eccleston that was a breath of fresh air, and Tennant was a balance of wonder and love for humanity, with a bit of bastard thrown in for good measure. This Doctor kinda stinks. And I'm only saying "kinda" because I have one show under my belt...and, no, I won't let you look under my belt...
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
There was SO MUCH of this episode to carve up. So many references (Eye of Orion, deleting rooms, etc.) So many hints and reveals (The Doc's first words about his TARDIS, why he chose that one, etc). And we even got to see a little bit more of the TARDIS interior. Although, as Neil said in the Confidential episode, it was more how he envisioned House transforming the corridors, rather than how they always look. Oh, and bringing back the old Troughton "Email/Message Box" was absolute sublime genius. Damn that was cool.
If you say so. I didn't say the episode stunk. I said it was okay, but nothing about what I assume to be the regular cast makes me want to drop everything on a Saturday night and watch it, or burn DVR space...
Fair enough. You should give Smith more of a chance, though. Watch his first season on Netflix (it's currently streaming). And since I really just didn't get into Tennant at all, Smith is the breath of fresh for me. If I can't have Eccles, I'll take Smith. But, like I said, check out his first season...
Great episode with lots for Who fans to ejaculate about.
Do you guys think the doctor is sick or maybe didn't regenerate properly? A doc who isn't put together right might explain why the psych paper didn't work a few episodes back and why he's been wrong a few times.
Sometimes I wonder if they're(in a Star Trekie way) are stuck moving back and forth between two Realities. That might explain why Amy is sometimes prego and not prig.
Great episode with lots for Who fans to ejaculate about.
Do you guys think the doctor is sick or maybe didn't regenerate properly? A doc who isn't put together right might explain why the psych paper didn't work a few episodes back and why he's been wrong a few times.
Sometimes I wonder if they're(in a Star Trekie way) are stuck moving back and forth between two Realities. That might explain why Amy is sometimes prego and not prig.
Joe will watch again next week.
No, I think the Doc's fallibility is simply a factor of this incarnation. As for what's the deal with Amy, I think they're trying to say her pregnancy is a fluctuating point in time, and can be changed if the circumstances force it. That's why the TARDIS is picking up simultaneous preg/not-preg signals. Since the TARDIS is open to all time/space, it would make since it can't read what hasn't "happened" yet, if it's not a fixed point in time...
And, no, Joe won't watch next week. But, he should be heading to Netflix to try Smith's first season. if he doesn't like him by then, he's just not going to like him at all...
Exactly. I can understand BBCA for those with no other means. But, yeah, I have that bitch downloaded generally about two hours after it's aired in the UK. If nothing else, I don't have to see those gay "Amy Intros" they added to the US viewings...
Sounds like BBCA is cutting off its nose to smite its face in regard to pushing the next episode back a week. I understand not wasting a show on Memorial Day weekend, but that has its limits. If it wasn't for a lot of the rest of the world seeing and uploading this episode before it aired here in the States then it would make sense. As it stands now, the world is just too small for this to make any sense and, personally, I see it leading to a few weeks of bad ratings as most American Who fans (even those who may not usually be down with using alternate sources) will try their damnedest to stay up-to-date with the rest of the world and not have three weeks of shows ruined by spoilers.
Correct! STARZ took it, shot it full of money and US production values, and will be airing a miniseries in the vein of Children of Earth. The bad news: RTD is one of the writers...
I also find it nice that the doc saved a lot of his former enemies and put them in his debt. OTOH, he got the Silurian army commander, Staal the Not-quite-so-undefeated-anymore-but-never-mind, a couple of Judoons, the pirates from the 3rd ep, and I guess he also got help from the Cybermen (or forced).
I may not be getting this right since I'm not that familiar with the pre-2005 eps - The gallifreyans became timelords by being exposed to the time vortex for billions of years, but melody pond was able to do the same thing because Rory and Amy fucked inside the tardis (which means she was conceived while being exposed to the TARDIS' matrix thingie)?
Also, does this mean River has two hearts?
And that eyepatch chick, who is she? How is she able to control the TARDIS? (I guess the events from the previous season/cracks were her doing)
I also find it nice that the doc saved a lot of his former enemies and put them in his debt. OTOH, he got the Silurian army commander, Staal the Not-quite-so-undefeated-anymore-but-never-mind, a couple of Judoons, the pirates from the 3rd ep, and I guess he also got help from the Cybermen (or forced).
Different Sontaran. He was Stahl's right-hand man. But, this was simply a member of that guy's Clone Batch. So, still a completely different character all together. Different Silurian, as well, just the same actress. Not to mention, an entire platoon of Silurians. Don't know how the Judoon factored in there, though.
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I may not be getting this right since I'm not that familiar with the pre-2005 eps - The gallifreyans became timelords by being exposed to the time vortex for billions of years, but melody pond was able to do the same thing because Rory and Amy fucked inside the tardis (which means she was conceived while being exposed to the TARDIS' matrix thingie)?
Pretty much. They've never explained how Gallifreyans learned or gained the ability to regenerate. So, this is the first time it's been addressed on screen (and a thousand FanFic writers all cried out at once, and then were silenced....). As the Silurian stated, being conceived while in-flight through the temporal vortex "gave them a good start" and it seems The Clerics were attempting to make sure everything balanced out in her genetics after that. Not to mention, remember at the beginning of the season, the little girl needed the life-support suit made from the Apollo Astronaut suits? Maybe that's why. Maybe they're trying to stabilize her condition?
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Also, does this mean River has two hearts?
Nah! She just has DNA that's been enhanced by the temporal vortex. Which is, per the episode, how she can regenerate.
Which, keep in mind, means that Alex Kingston plays her "final" incarnation, if Silence in the Library (...silence?) is any indication. So, they can recast her as many times as they want, really, as the character grows younger.
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And that eyepatch chick, who is she? How is she able to control the TARDIS? (I guess the events from the previous season/cracks were her doing)
Like Doc stated, there's still so much more that is unexplained. Who are The Silence? What do they have to do with last season? Are they in league with The Clerics?
Did anyone notice that the Demons Run asteroid is, in fact, the same place the Doctor and Amy are at the beginning of The Time of Angels last season? "This asteroid is the Delerium Archive...the final resting place of the Headless Monks..." Which we just saw this last episode. So, they had been there already, just in the future.
I think it's around September. Supposed to be where there's a Who at least once every three months (Xmas episode, three month gap, New Season Pt1, mid-season finale/three-month gap, New Season Pt2, three month gap, Xmas episode, etc.)
They've never touched it since. Couple of Alternate Media stories have tried to deal with it (novels state it was all an elaborate, Chameleon Arch trap set for the Master by the devious 7th Doctor). But, at the most, RTD had Doc 10 state....point-blank, when dealing with Donna's metacrisis....that there canNOT be a half-human/half-Time Lord. Of course, looks like The Moff might be counteracting that with River Song....
Big Finish productions hired this guy after they saw this video. And part of the contract, he had to remove all his vids like this. Luckily, someone else downloaded and then re-uploaded it. Check it out. I personally don't like Anime. But, knowing this is 100% amateur love, I think it's pretty damn awesome.
For all you nuWho kids (SoM), this is the 3rd Doctor, as played by Jon Pertwee. You might noticed a difference in his incarnation, versus the other Docs. This incarnation would drop your ass like a bad habit!
Also starring The Brigadier and the two incarnations of The Master that I remember from my childhood...
That video was good. I like a doctor who doesn't mind fighting. I thought the sixth doctor (my favorite. Screw you,Pro!) was the only one who could fight.
That video was good. I like a doctor who doesn't mind fighting. I thought the sixth doctor (my favorite. Screw you,Pro!) was the only one who could fight.
DUDE! You must be smoking some GOOD stuff if you think I don't like Colin motherfucking Baker! The Sixth Doctor was AWESOME!
Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
What did the sixth doctor fight? Burgers and Steaks?
Okay, let's get this out here, just so we all know: The reason Colin Baker exploded in weight was due to his infant son dying from crib death. At the same time, his ex-wife was fucking Michael Grade (the head of BBC programming in the 80's) who was instrumental in getting him sacked from the show. Thus, Colin went on a fifteen-year drinking binge. Not to mention, most don't realize he was in his 40's when he took the role. So, genetics helped.
All of that said, what SoM posted is still hilarious!
Holy shit, how old was Peri in 2007? She looks hotter than girls young enough to be her grand daughter.
Yeah, chick's in her fifties, I think. Hotter than she was in the 80's!!
Fun Fact: Did you know she was in a car accident that nearly broke her spine? Took her seven years of therapy in the 90's to recover, and she still suffers from insomnia due to nerve damage.
Fun Fact: Did you know she was in a car accident that nearly broke her spine? Took her seven years of therapy in the 90's to recover, and she still suffers from insomnia due to nerve damage.
Holy crap! Since we were talking about her, I went to look for some recent pics. To raise Breast Cancer Awareness on Twitter, she just posted this today!
That video was good. I like a doctor who doesn't mind fighting. I thought the sixth doctor (my favorite. Screw you,Pro!) was the only one who could fight.
DUDE! You must be smoking some GOOD stuff if you think I don't like Colin motherfucking Baker! The Sixth Doctor was AWESOME!
Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
What did the sixth doctor fight? Burgers and Steaks?
No actual desire to screw you,go to your sexy wife for that. I was Just messing with you about who the best doctor is. You seem to think Smith is the bestest ever.
Fun Fact: Did you know she was in a car accident that nearly broke her spine? Took her seven years of therapy in the 90's to recover, and she still suffers from insomnia due to nerve damage.
Maybe she regenerated.
Regeneration is not real. Also Santa Clause is not real.
[quote=Son of Mxy]What did the sixth doctor fight? Burgers and Steaks?
No actual desire to screw you,go to your sexy wife for that. I was Just messing with you about who the best doctor is. You seem to think Smith is the bestest ever.
I was messing as well. I haven't even watched anything by the sixth. I was just riffing on the usual jokes about his weight problem.
Besides, Pro is the one who's really hot for Smith. I cut my teeth on Tennant.
Holy crap! Since we were talking about her, I went to look for some recent pics. To raise Breast Cancer Awareness on Twitter, she just posted this today!
Apparently it's been announced that a Leela figure is on it's way via the classics line. I skipped over Peri but will have to get a Leela and some Janus thorns!
Apparently it's been announced that a Leela figure is on it's way via the classics line. I skipped over Peri but will have to get a Leela and some Janus thorns!
Leela was an (the?) obvious choice for the classics line. So we have Peri and Leela, what next? Sarah Jane has several figures but I could see them doing a classic version. Since they did Peri the sky seems to be the limit.
Apparently it's been announced that a Leela figure is on it's way via the classics line. I skipped over Peri but will have to get a Leela and some Janus thorns!
Trailer for the rest of the season! Might be SPOILERIFIC, to a degree, as it showcases a returning character, and quite possibly, another hint about River's continued identity reveal...looks like it might be another Moffuck!
That trailer pretty much confirms one of my theories:
Warning, Spoiler:
"Madame Kovarian"/Eye-Patch Lady is, in fact, a previous incarnation of Melody Pond/River Song. I bet Eye-Patch lady lost her eye in "battle" with The Doctor in the past (as she was raised to be a weapon against him). Then, she loses her life in a later battle with him, and regenerates into Alex Kingston. Probably loses the patch, now that the regeneration has healed her eye. And The Doctor probably sacrifices himself on the Utah beach to her (in the astronaut suit) in order to fulfill some agreement or something with The Silence. This act of perceived self-sacrifice is what convinces (?) River to become good and turn herself in to Stormgate prison.
At least....that's my current working theory based on what we've seen so far. I'm sure Moffat will come along and acid-trip all over my ideas like I got them off a Saturday morning cartoon...
Wispy hair doesn't translate to plastic form well? Anyways I guess most stores are selling her bundled with the recent Pandorica wave of figures so she's a pretty spendy one to get. I think I'm fine with just Leela for now.
* If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first ask Rory's permission to invent the Universe. * Rory once punched a man so hard he literally knocked him into the middle of next week. He then waited a week for the man to appear, then punched him back in time a week to create a stable time loop of Chin Pain. * The family name Norris is derived from the Anglo Saxon word "Nroriys" which means "one who submits to Rory." * Rory doesn't simply walk into Mordor... he stares in Mordor's general direction and the entire land obediently crawls towards him beneath his feet. * The Master was forced to choose another name when he was a kid because "Rory" was already taken. * Some say Time Lords took Human form. Others say Humans took Time Lord form. In reality, both were influenced by Rory's form. * The mighty nose of the Last Centurion is a registered weapon of mass destruction across three galaxies and seventeen different time streams... * God does not play dice with the Universe. However, Rory does play dice with God... and wins every time. * General Zod kneels before Rory. * Rory punched the Eleventh Doctor in the face. This is what caused the First Doctor to regenerate. * Daleks have shot the Doctor twice, but they know better than to f*** with Rory's family. * The Doctor's yanked the Earth across the galaxy, been to the year 100 trillion and rebooted the universe, but he still had to pose as a strippogram to get Rory Williams on his team. * Rory has two companions: Amy and the Doctor. * Rory once looked into the Eye of Harmony. It blinked. * The Master went mad by staring into the Time Vortex. When Rory Williams stared into the Time Vortex, the Time Vortex went mad. * Star Trek has "The Picard Maneuver", Battlestar Galactica has "The Adama Maneuver", Doctor Who has "Rory Williams" * Hey, do you remember that one time when Rory Williams failed? Neither do I.
Of course you clicked on the one with the header of "The Doctor in the Shower". It is also worth noting that it is just as unsurprising that Pro went looking for that video.
I clicked on this one. The doctor has a tattoo? Was this after a regeneration? He was picking out clothes.
I knew that one would get a response. Yep, that's the 3rd Doctor having just been exiled to Earth by the Time Lords. He's woken up in the hospital where UNIT put him after finding him unconscious near the TARDIS in a field. As he just regenerated, he's still a little out of it. But, he knows he wants to escape. So, he takes a shower and the producers fogot/didn't care that Jon Pertwee the actor was once a Royal Marine, and thus has said tattoo. It's one of the funnier little "blooper" moments in Who history.
One thing I like that Moffat did on purpose with Eleven...where does he get his clothes? A hospital. Just like Three.
speaking of donna noble, what happened to jeffrey noble? I missed that one.
I rewatched the runaway bride and saw that her father was at the wedding (originally, I was under the impression that the dude is Wilf without a bear and stache).
- The fish fingers and custard thing. I thought that was going to be the cure for the poison, and I thought he went back to young amelia to get those (and he was faking dying the whole time). I also noticed that he had the same clothes he wore to Amy's wedding.
- In line with the above, there was a scene in The Eleventh Hour where it looks like the doctor came back to amelia in the morning (just a scene of her looking up to something while the TARDIS landing sounds are going on). It didn't fit in with anything from that season, and was never revisited in the Big Bang.
- Maybe the doctor wasn't really dying? And it's just a trick to get River to give up her remaining regenerations.
- Also, does this mean the doctor now has more than 1 regeneration left (since River used up all of hers to revive him).
- The fish fingers and custard thing. I thought that was going to be the cure for the poison, and I thought he went back to young amelia to get those (and he was faking dying the whole time). I also noticed that he had the same clothes he wore to Amy's wedding.
- In line with the above, there was a scene in The Eleventh Hour where it looks like the doctor came back to amelia in the morning (just a scene of her looking up to something while the TARDIS landing sounds are going on). It didn't fit in with anything from that season, and was never revisited in the Big Bang.
Oooh! I didn't catch/think of that! I don't know. It might be too much, even for Moffat.
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- Maybe the doctor wasn't really dying? And it's just a trick to get River to give up her remaining regenerations.
I don't know. It seemed like he was really dying. But, you could be right. This Doctor is a crafty bastard.
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- Also, does this mean the doctor now has more than 1 regeneration left (since River used up all of hers to revive him).
Well, he had two left (he can regenerate twelve times, creating thirteen different bodies), unless you count RTD's half-generate from Journey's End which gave us Hand-Doctor. I don't count it. But, either way, you're right. That one scene is all we need to say The Doctor has more than 13 lives now. Simple as that.
- In line with the above, there was a scene in The Eleventh Hour where it looks like the doctor came back to amelia in the morning (just a scene of her looking up to something while the TARDIS landing sounds are going on). It didn't fit in with anything from that season, and was never revisited in the Big Bang.
The commentary for Eleventh Hour says that it was supposed to be revisited in Big Bang, but was cut for time or some reason.
goddamnit. they shoulda featured amelia more. she's more adorable than amy. although with this episode, she's starting to grow up and lose the cuteness.
I have no idea about any of this shit,however I have a co-worker who loves Doctor Who and thinks I know all about it and keeps going on about it.I actually sat down and watched some episodes of I guess last season and didn't understand anything aside from the fact I know about regeneration,how many Doctor's there have been so far and that Tom Baker is still the only Doctor Who I give a shit about.
Allan, honestly, if you're interested and have Netflix, go HERE and start with Season 1. It's the 2005 return of the show, and is the perfect jumping-on point for anyone who has never seen an episode. If you like Smallville and Buffy and things like that, you will like Doctor Who. Promise. Meanwhile, if you don't like that kind of stuff, there's still some gold in Who worth anyone's attention (i.e. the episode called "Blink").
The current season 6 just resumed from a mid-season break last night. Don't try and jump in there, unless you're like me and enjoy baffling complexity. I stated watching Who at six-years-old, in the middle of a Tom Baker episode I accidentally found. I started comics with the Teen Titans 'Judas Contract' and Crisis on Infinite Earths. That was my FIRST exposure to DC. So, if you like jumping into the middle of chaos and a billion questions, jump in next week and work it out on your own. If not, check out the link above. I really, really think YOU will like the show.
BTW, this year alone I have gotten four people to watch the show. They are hooked, watching it religiously now. It's quite addictive. Watch at your own risk.
Also BTW, Tom Baker is STILL The Doctor. He's a legend. But, this new guy Matt Smith? He's coming dangerously close to matching the same epic heights. Check him out. He starts with Season 5.
Way ahead of you Pro....sort of.I watched the first episode with Matt Smith not too long ago and that was it.Me,I like watching something I don't really know a whole lot about.I have the basics of Doctor Who and went from there.Scrolled along the Netflix list and saw "Vampires of Venice" episode.I always dig vampire stuff(aside from Twilight which is well and truly a big steaming pile),so watched that.I dug it and will check out other episodes here and there.
I was in allan's position a couple of years ago, I already saw this thread and saw the lot of you gushing about the episodes (I think this was in the Tennant time, I remember one of the ep previews about the Satan's Pit). I checked it out by reading some descriptions and episode synopsis, and thought it wasn't for me. Didn't get what was so fun about it.
Then I watched Blink. Got interested in who the doctor was, read some sites about the character, and started downloading episodes from there. After a few episodes from Tennant's run, I saw that the weeping angels are back, but it's with a different doctor. So I downloaded those two eps. and from there, I started looking at Eccleston's season (since I've already seen tennant and smith, I wanted to see another person's take).
I guess it's ideal for people who weren't fans of the classic to start with one of the episodes where the story isn't doctor-centric. I've seen some complaints about Love and Monsters but I think it would be a good jumping off point as well (barring the awkward monster costume). For people who just want something that's uplifting/depressing (depending on how they see the ep, especially the final parts), Vincent and the Doctor would also work.
Tennant's first two seasons are probably the best starting points for people like me, since it didn't rely so much on continuity and had a more Monster of the Week feel to them than Smith's and Eccleston's
I didn't know much about Doctor Who when I first started watching. I knew there were different actors who had played the Doctor. I thought that was like James Bond with different actors playing the same person over the years. I about pooped my pants in surprise when Ecelston regenerated! Regeneration is such a cool idea!
Lothar loves the idea that he could fuck each of the doctor's regeneration and it'd be like gayfucking 11 different men while being faithful to only one.
Lothar loves the idea that he could fuck each of the doctor's regeneration and it'd be like gayfucking 11 different men while being faithful to only one.
Regenertion is unique to Gallifreyan DNA. Does the T.A.R.D.I.S have Gallifreyan DNA? How does being a child of the T.A.R.D.I.S. give River the ability to regenerate?
From what I understand, the timelords evolved that way after being exposed to the time vortex for a very long time. Melody Pond was conceived inside the TARDIS, which is powered by a time vortex, and was kind of exposed to it during the fetal stage. Or maybe even while she was still just a semen.
From what I understand, the timelords evolved that way after being exposed to the time vortex for a very long time. Melody Pond was conceived inside the TARDIS, which is powered by a time vortex, and was kind of exposed to it during the fetal stage. Or maybe even while she was still just a semen.
Semen fluid alone does not make life. Her earliest existence would be as a fertilized egg.
Mmmmmm......fertilized egg....now there's something to wank over!
I'm just glad they didn't go the soap opera route and had a plot wherein Rory and the doctor got into a feud because he thought that the doctor and amy fucked, which led to melody being a timelady.
Speaking of Torchwood, I downloaded Miracle Day expecting something that at least comes close to Children of Earth.
It was too American for my tastes. I stopped watching and deleted the videos as soon as I saw Jack's very graphic sex scene with a man (nasty missionary pumping scene that didn't add anything to the story).
LOL! Yeah, been reading where RTD pushed the gay agenda on Torchwood to the max, making even the Brits uncomfortable. I imagine he won't be making any more, given the dismal performance of this one. And yes, waaay too Americanized. That's what they just don't get. If something is popular on BBCAmerica, it's popular because it's British television being broadcast on American airwaves. Re-making it more American just makes it like everything else out there, and thus, bland...
Very standard episode. Not great. But not bad. Kind of a better "Fear Her". They just need to stop letting Mark Gatiss write scripts. He's a great actor. He was good in Tennant's The Lazarus Project. He needs to just do the acting from now on...
Makes sense. I didn't like The Lazarus Project either. I think it's the only Tennant episode that I didn't finish - I watched it, fast forwarded a bit, then stopped and just read a synopsis on the net.
It's a shame though, someone else could have used some parts of this episode to make a genuinely creepy/scary story out of it.
Gatiss played the main bad guy in that one. The episode was okay, but he didn't write it.
He's written: Unquiet Dead, Idiot's Lantern, and Victory of the Daleks. Unquiet Dead with Charles Dickens for Eccleston's Doctor was easily his best script yet.
For me, the worst episodes of all since 2005:
New Earth Idiot's Lantern Fear Her Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks 42 Voyage of the Damned The Doctor's Daughter Planet of the Dead Victory of the Daleks Curse of the Black Spot
I've never been able to watch any of those a second time, and The Doctor's Daughter I skipped most of and haven't bothered going back to it...
New Earth Idiot's Lantern Fear Her Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks Voyage of the Damned The Doctor's Daughter Planet of the Dead
I only watched the above episodes once.
Planet of the dead, I almost rewatched with the missus, just to test how Who looks in HD. But I decided to play The Next Doctor instead (which I believe was also in HD).
The only two I didn't care for were Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her. Most of the others had enough bits for me that I liked to get over a "bad" episode. There's even some on that list that I really like. Is New Earth generally panned by Who fans?
Planet of the dead, I almost rewatched with the missus, just to test how Who looks in HD. But I decided to play The Next Doctor instead (which I believe was also in HD).
Nope, The Next Doctor was the last episode transmitted in standard def. First HD was Planet of the Tired RTD Crap...
At Wizard world got a print from a guy that had Brave & Bold cover alla the 70's with Batman and Doctor Who! Batman jumps out of the TARDIS to stop the 10th and 11th Doctors from killing each othre over a sonic screawdriver!
I see how they are building the separation angles between The Doctor and Amy/Rory.
When Who came back in 2005, it was something special that the characters...especially the companions...had more pathos and nuance. By 2011, it's becoming the driving force behind episodes. I think I'm ready to get back to traveling the universe and fighting monsters.
I liked this episode. Felt bad for old Amy, but I kinda expected the doctor to do something like that (actually, I thought he was lying about the TARDIS being able to sustain a paradox, and that the old amy will cease to exist when they get inside)
I got the hint that Rory's starting to turn sour on the doctor. And I dunno, maybe Amy's going to go the same way eventually. He's done things to them - with Rory losing this amy, and amy losing Rory to the cracks in the previous season. I'm at the point where I wouldn't be surprised to know that the astronaut in lake Silencio has something to do with Amy and Rory falling out with the doctor, which would explain why he didn't resist.
I would have made the doctor say "this is kindness" as he leaves old Amy, though.
It was an okay episode. Not the best, but not bad. I'm hoping that the next companion gets to just be a companion without having to 'become' anything like all the companions since the relaunch have been.
Just finished TORCHWOOD: MIRACLE DAY. Wow. If you felt uncomfortable watching Jack be sexual with men before, don't watch this. There's like two scenes of full-on gay butt-fucking in this thing. And I don't mean a quick flash, either. If you've ever wanted to see Captain Jack reach climax, then this is your story (MEM)...
Great episode! Probably one of the best ones this season.
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Called it! Knew Gillan was lying at the conventions. I actually got a little misty that final moment Matt Smith looks at Karen Gillan. They were both brand-new, thrown in the fire to keep Doctor Who going after the David Tennant/RTD era. And by god, they both did it better than anyone could have imagined. So, if this is Amy and Rory's goodbye, then I'm damn good with it. Kind of surprised Moffat wasn't the one to write this one, though.
Ep felt a little lukewarm to me. On the one hand, I really believe that the doctor really let the Williams go. But on the other hand, it didn't feel that important to me (I mean, 9 tricking Rose into going back to the present and 10 returning Donna to her present made me feel sad, even 11's farewell to little amy last season had the same effect. But this time I didn't feel anything. Not even relief). Maybe because I didn't find the framing story that interesting, or all the amy drama these past few episodes desensitized me. Or maybe Moffat could have handled it better. Amy and Rory felt like minor characters to me in this ep.
I also didn't feel like we're already nearing the conclusion for this season, but I expect to be surprised. I remember the Lodger and Vincent and the Doctor had me feeling awkward, not expecting how they're going to tie up the series but BAM, Big Bang! and it was awesome. So I have faith in Moffat. Praise him.
LOL! I'm with you to a point. I was surprised that Moff would let anyone else but himself write them out. However, I think there's something else going on here. We know we'll "see them" again, since they'll be showing us his death at Lake Silencio from his perspective. But, I still think Gillan was lying when she said she'd be around next year. If that's the case, then it will be as random guest-appearances probably. Kind of like Martha? I don't know. Either way, personally, if this is the ultimate good-bye between them, then I'm good. I don't think every companions needs a fanfare send-off. Sometimes, their stories just end, and they go away. That's how it was in the old days before RTD needed every second to be an epiphany in emotional naval-gazing. But, like I said, we'll see. I don't think that's it. Not yet. For all we know, Amy's the one in the astronaut suit that shoots him.
And since we only have two episodes left, and the next one is a stand-alone, then that means the mystery of his death will probably linger until Xmas...
There are herrings all over the place, though. Gangers, Tesselecta tech (which is what this "holodeck" looked like when it shut off), dupe timelines, etc. There's still two images I remember from the season trailer that we haven't seen yet. I won't say what they are, as I wouldn't want to spoil anything. But, I'll be interested to see how the finale plays out...
It would fit in well with his comment about the Dreamlord. "There's only one person who hates me this much." or something along those lines. The big question is what is his faith in? Rassalon? Himself (most likely).
This may be the ugliest action figure but I had to get it. River Song is one of my favorite characters. Also picked up the junkyard tardis set.
I used to have the console room they had out a couple of years ago but that was just to freaking huge. Maybe I could customize this one to look like the original console room.
Yeah, it was a soulless revisit to a Happily Ever After no one needed to see again. It lacked all the charm, sincere warmth, and genuine humor of THE LODGER. Instead, it seemed to think Craig scared of a weekend with a baby was worthy of the Doctor's services, and worthy of a forty-five minute plot. Oh, and hey, when The Doc and Craig are together, it looks like they're a gay couple! Did you catch that? Did you see it? I'm sure you missed it, because it can't of been the only joke of the entire episode, stretched to annoyance.
And finally, be assured that in modern Doctor Who, the two easiest enemies to defeat are The Daleks and The Cybusmen. Both can be defeated.........with love...
This was embarrassing. I feel sorry that Smith had to try and make all of that work, when it plainly did not.
Wow. Some dude UNFollowed me on Twitter because I was bitching about them constantly using "Cybusmen". He was damned convinced these are orignal Cybermen and, once again, the BBC just didn't have the budget for it. Meanwhile, if you tried to shove a day-glo Dalek into Tom Baker's Genesis of the Daleks-era and say it was accurate, just didn't have the budget, I'd laugh and mock you just as hard.
Meanwhile, Rex un-Followed me because I was championing to save the life of an innocent man (Troy Davis). But, you know Rex. If it involved compassion for other races, forget about it...
Pro, I love you, but you don't know if that guy was innocent.
Saying you have doubt is one thing, but saying you absolutely know is another.
Fair enough. Let me re-phrase: There wasn't enough evidence to kill him. Any reasonable amount of doubt means he should have been given a re-trial and DNA tested. That's what I hate. The possibility they executed an innocent black man because they were too afraid to admit their mistake, or was trying to cover up something else. Either way, it's a tragedy in every sense of the word.
No, I got tired of you beardguying twitter. It was a tie between your doctor who and socialism spam.
That's what Twitter is there for, moron. It's to say things and post quotes and blog about your day. If you don't like that, then what the fuck are you doing on Twitter? I mean, besides chugging Louis CK's cock.
Pro, I love you, but you don't know if that guy was innocent.
Saying you have doubt is one thing, but saying you absolutely know is another.
Fair enough. Let me re-phrase: There wasn't enough evidence to kill him. Any reasonable amount of doubt means he should have been given a re-trial and DNA tested. That's what I hate. The possibility they executed an innocent black man
These damn cops today! They prosecuted a man without knowing for sure if he was black or white!
Yeah, it was a soulless revisit to a Happily Ever After no one needed to see again. It lacked all the charm, sincere warmth, and genuine humor of THE LODGER. Instead, it seemed to think Craig scared of a weekend with a baby was worthy of the Doctor's services, and worthy of a forty-five minute plot. Oh, and hey, when The Doc and Craig are together, it looks like they're a gay couple! Did you catch that? Did you see it? I'm sure you missed it, because it can't of been the only joke of the entire episode, stretched to annoyance.
And finally, be assured that in modern Doctor Who, the two easiest enemies to defeat are The Daleks and The Cybusmen. Both can be defeated.........with love...
This was embarrassing. I feel sorry that Smith had to try and make all of that work, when it plainly did not.
So, yeah, a total 2-out-of-10...
Not a great episode, but I think it was good for a little pick-up from the downers that preceeded it. It wasn't supposed to be serious or even have a real great threat. It was just a little goofy fun to lighten the mood before the big finale.
It didn't lighten the mood for me. And I find it a waste, since I can see that they're trying to set the ep as a way to show the doctor losing his perspective and saying his goodbye. I would have liked that, and I saw a little bit of it at the end when the doctor gave the speech to the little bitches. But on the whole, it fell flat for me. I liked it better when Tenth lost his perspective. we got the Timelord Victorious bit.
What I find interesting in this episode is that this doctor is 200 years older than the doctor from the last episode. What did he do all this time? Marry River Song? Send her to her death? Visit other people? Do something to save himself? etc.
I thought it was an okay episode. I wish they would do something to clear up the Cybus or Mondas Cybermen thing. Anybody have an idea when this episode took place? Was it in the present or a few days before his death? When in time did he drop Amy are Rory off? Will Amy know to kill the Silence on sight this time around? What happened to the 1103 year old Doctor's TARDIS? What the bloody hell is going on?
Anybody have an idea when this episode took place? Was it in the present or a few days before his death?
I thought it occurred one day before his death. Maybe not.
Timeline continuity can drive you a bit nuts in this show. Unless they say otherwise or it's' obvious I just assume whatever story they tell is occurring in our time.
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Anybody have an idea when this episode took place? Was it in the present or a few days before his death?
I thought it occurred one day before his death. Maybe not.
Timeline continuity can drive you a bit nuts in this show. Unless they say otherwise or it's' obvious I just assume whatever story they tell is occurring in our time.
Rewatched the episode. The date on the newspaper was April 19, 2011. So, yeah, has he changed things? Do Amy and Rory now know to kill The Silence on sight? It seems that the Amy and Rory he saw in the mall are the same ones he left after The God Complex. Unless, despite seeing all that she did through plastic Amy, Amy doesn't fully recognize all of it.
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I don't what you're talking about here...
In The Impossible Astronaut, we see the 1103 year old Doctor with a car. The TARDIS doesn't enter the picture until they begin traveling to 1969 with the 909 year old Doctor. Where did he park it? Is it holding a paradox that is allowing him to change things like with the Master and his "lie" about it to old Amy? Is it just fading into the background?
I think he is somehow going to save baby Melody and rewrite time. His speech with Stormageddon was just too much for me to accept otherwise.
If he saves baby Melody, he will rewrite his own timeline. He will never have been summoned to The Library as Ten, and thus anything after that should change for him. Unless it creates a paradox of two timelines, thus giving us a Doctor to be killed off...
That is how I'm leaning. I think this entire season has been the Doctor rewriting things. The kicker for me was when he saw Amy and Rory at the mall. She is a big model for a perfume that has "for the girl who is tired of waiting" as a slogan. It leads me to think that it wasn't the same Amy and Rory who met him at Lake Silencio in the Impossible Astronaut but was the Amy are Rory that made no mention of her modelling career when Petrichor was mentioned as a TARDIS password in the Doctor's Wife. Further, though I'm not sure it matters, the front door to their house at the beginning of The Impossible Astronaut is wooden with glass in it while the one at the end of The God Complex is solid blue. So, to me, either there are two sets of Amy and Rorys out there or he has been actively changing their past leading up to the day of his death. Or, simply put, by sending out the envelopes he has altered everything leading up to Lake Silencio but not the event itself which is at a "fixed point." So, when he sends out the envelopes he got from Craig, he is sending them out to an Amy and Rory that are familiar with the situation.
Amazingly, I'm not stoned and this still probably makes little sense. Long and short of it, this season was never meant to be because The Silence and co. have altered the time stream since the recreation of the Big Bang at the end of last season. He is still going to die in this timeline. However, I think his death is going to set up to bring this wrong timeline to a close. Silence is going to fall on everything as it were.
What I find interesting in this episode is that this doctor is 200 years older than the doctor from the last episode. What did he do all this time? Marry River Song? Send her to her death? Visit other people? Do something to save himself? etc.
All we know for certain from the Impossible Astronaut is Easter Island and Jim the Fish. And, as we just saw, Stormageddon.
On an aside, saw an interesting theory that all of this goes back to Timelord Victorious fucking shit up on Mars. By breaking that fixed point, he caused the cracks in time that Eleventh was dealing with in series 5 and, of course, everything this season. Would almost work as it does seem that Moffat has been looking to tear down the Timelord Victorious motif with Smith.
Other odd theory and, methinks, wrong is that the Doctor laid the foundation for all of this due to his excessive regeneration from Tenth to Eleventh. Not sure where they tried to go with this one.
The bit about Amy and Rory's house door, I though the doctor bought the house and the car for them?
I think there's only one timeline in there, it's just that the doctor's been traveling alone (or maybe he went ahead and did the stuff with River off cam) for 200 years, just popping in and out of our present time so it looks like it hasn't been that long from our perspective.
and I hope the God Complex was really the end of the Williamses' time as companions. It's not that they overstayed their welcome with me (a bit, though). But I wanted them to have a happy ending, especially since Amelia's story was set up like a fairy tale. I don't want them to get left behind in an alien planet or lost in another timestream or caught dead in a fixed point in T&S.
The bit about Amy and Rory's house door, I though the doctor bought the house and the car for them?
I think there's only one timeline in there, it's just that the doctor's been traveling alone (or maybe he went ahead and did the stuff with River off cam) for 200 years, just popping in and out of our present time so it looks like it hasn't been that long from our perspective.
and I hope the God Complex was really the end of the Williamses' time as companions. It's not that they overstayed their welcome with me (a bit, though). But I wanted them to have a happy ending, especially since Amelia's story was set up like a fairy tale. I don't want them to get left behind in an alien planet or lost in another timestream or caught dead in a fixed point in T&S.
Yeah, it sounds crazy with the door thing. I'm only basing it on the fact that he saw Amy and Rory in the mall and it seemed like the post-God Complex Amy and Rory. Hence, her career as model for Petrichor (last mentioned in The Doctor's Wife) and his not talking to them. But, as the paper showed, the episode in question takes place from the 19 to 21/22 of April 2011. So, that would lead me to think that he dropped Amy and Rory off after the God Complex prior to the event at Lake Silencio.
If there is one timeline, then I think he has still mucked it up quite a bit hence
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time going completely ape shit at the time of his death
in the next episode.
Further,
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I'm wondering if it is Old Amy that is fucking things up from Sept 10 as that was the release date of the Girl Who Waited
I'll proved links to talk about the unreleased preview and such if people want them.
Some of this is, admittedly, meta. But, so has the date for the Doctor's death.
The last one I had ended with the girl's nose stuck in the pepper shaker and her head doused with wine. The next day, my filthy rich rival took her out on a date and proposed to her on National TV. I watched it at home with my three friends, the fat one, and the black one, and the one that's all silent except in times when he provides sage advice.
Wouldn't it just fuck everyone's mind if Smith & Co. lied about his contract to the press, and he suddenly regenerates next week? I don't think my brain could handle that. So, I hope I'm wrong.
Honestly, I pretty much have called the River stuff all the way through (except for the "Mels" double-bluff in LET'S KILL HITLER). So, it wasn't a surprise she's in the astronaut suit. I think that was the "hint" from the very beginning of the season (i.e. her younger self in the astronaut suit). But, where they're going with it? No idea. I can't get a read on Moff's intentions. Unless, they're so predictable as to not give off any hints of a direction. I mean, it was pretty plain and simple that River was Amy and Rory's daughter from the get-go. So, if he remains that predictable, then it's simply going to be River kills The Doctor, and then he comes back. No more, no less. But, knowing Moff, he's got some swerve in there we can't see yet.
Also, I imagine after River kills The Doctor, she goes back to the 51st century and turns herself in to Stormgate Prison. That way, not only to punish herself, but I would imagine to also keep The Tesselecta Justice crew coming for her again. But, who knows...
Wouldn't it just fuck everyone's mind if Smith & Co. lied about his contract to the press, and he suddenly regenerates next week? I don't think my brain could handle that. So, I hope I'm wrong.
Don't even joke about it. Seriously.
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Honestly, I pretty much have called the River stuff all the way through (except for the "Mels" double-bluff in LET'S KILL HITLER). So, it wasn't a surprise she's in the astronaut suit. I think that was the "hint" from the very beginning of the season (i.e. her younger self in the astronaut suit). But, where they're going with it? No idea. I can't get a read on Moff's intentions. Unless, they're so predictable as to not give off any hints of a direction. I mean, it was pretty plain and simple that River was Amy and Rory's daughter from the get-go. So, if he remains that predictable, then it's simply going to be River kills The Doctor, and then he comes back. No more, no less. But, knowing Moff, he's got some swerve in there we can't see yet.
Yeah, that is what is driving me crazy. It has been quite predictable and yet totally mindfucking at the same time trying to figure out the reason for it all. Since it seems the Christmas special is a standalone, I can't help but wonder what the big bomb teaser for series seven will be either.
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Also, I imagine after River kills The Doctor, she goes back to the 51st century and turns herself in to Stormgate Prison. That way, not only to punish herself, but I would imagine to also keep The Tesselecta Justice crew coming for her again. But, who knows...
Which also points to the fact that River must be drugged out of her mind right in the lake since older River seemed to have no idea that it was that moment despite being in jail for killing him. I don't know. Like I said, Moffat has made some of this so simple and yet a lot of it makes you want to
But, remember when River emptied her revolver at the astronaut as it was leaving? After the bullets ran out, she mumbles: "...of course not..." That can be taken as "Of course regular bullets won't hurt this thing" (which is how I took it to begin with) OR it can be taken "Of course that didn't work because I remember it not working when I was the one killing him". Either way, I think her memory is so fucked she couldn't remember even being in that suit in her first life as a child.
BTW, here's the finale poster...
Rory's coming for your ass!!
BTW, I think those patches they are wearing actually allow them to see The Silence and not forget them. That's why Kovarian wears one all the time...
I'm gay for HIS ass! Rory Williams, The Last Centurion FTW!
And yeah, Amy was rocking the pants suit in The Day of the Moon when she got captured by The Silence, and told her she had been with them "for many days". They also said "You are Amelia Pond. We do you honor. You bring The Silence." So......brain explode.....
Ah, of course. I just thought of something else too. Didn't the Doctor give Craig the same speech that his younger self gave the crew during the Impossible Astronaut about time being all bumpy and what not? Or, have I just driven myself crazy with minithons of this past season?
I love the Last Centurion. I'm on the fence about the apparent "Mickeyfication" though. He also reminds me of something from--I believe--Morrison's run on Batman but I can't place it.
Ah! Yeah, well, I think what we're seeing up there is episode specific. But, who knows?
Either way, I do believe that Mickey Smith and Rory Williams have had the greatest development arcs in the entire series. Both have gone from--convincingly--nothing, to become--convincingly--something. They are, to me, the greatest examples of The Doctor's companions fulfilling their potential. Rose, Martha, Donna, Amy? More or less the same as when they started. Except Rose became ridiculously unconvincing as a "badass", Martha's role as UNIT medical office makes sense but isn't that great of a leap, and Donna's whole story is meaningless by the end, because she'll never remember and thus never grow. Rory and Mickey, though, both grew up and learned to find the confidence in themselves that allowed them to blossom into the successful badass-es that they are. In fact, Cross and I were discussing if The Doc ever needed to assemble "Doc's Army" again (as in A Good Man Goes to War), this is who he should assemble (not taking budget into account) :
-GROUND SUPPORT-
Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart
(since Nick Courtney just passed away this year, I'd be open to seeing a female Lethbridge-Stewart, his own daughter, with a Colonel rank leading a division of UNIT. If it worked, she could have a recurring role in the series just like "dad")
Captain Jack Harkness (and maybe Gwen from TORCHWOOD)
Mickey & Martha Smith, Alien Defense Fighters (last seen in Ten's last episode)
Rory Williams, The Last Centurion
Prof. River Song
Queen Liz-X (from THE BEAST BELOW)
Agent Canton E. Delaware, III (from THE IMPOSSIBLE ASTRONAUT)
Madame Vastra & Lady Jenny
-FLEETS-
The Trion Defense Battle Fleet (President Vislor Turlough) (When we last saw the 5th Doc's companion, Turlough, he had discovered his political exile had ended, and he could return to his home planet. I am going with the conceit that not only did he return, he accepted his rightful family rank and became leader of Trion and her people. Thus, when the man who saved his soul in his youth needs help? He's bringing his entire military star-fleet with him.)
The Thoros Alpha Warlord Fleet (King Yrcanos & Queen Perpugilliam) (When we last saw Peri Brown, the 6th Doctor was rushing to save her when the Time Lords yanked him forcefully out of time/space to stand trial. At first thought lost, it was later revealed that King Yrcanos, the warrior King played by Brian Blessed--who had shown to have feelings for her--had saved her and placed her on high as the Queen of his planet, Thoros Alpha. Thinking him dead all this time, when The Doctor asks for help the King and Queen of Thoros Beta respond by sending their entire royal fleet to his aid.)
Hopefully, it is more episode specific. I'm cool with character development so long as it is well done. I like the move from Rory the Nurse to Rory the Guardian. It makes sense. They both play well off the fact that, IMO, he is more reactionary. That doesn't mean I am adverse to him becoming more of an initiator but, that such a change has to be well done to be believable.
Pictures don't tell the whole story so all of this is probably moot. But, he looks more like he is going out to kick ass than he is standing guard and just waiting for someone to dare try it.
LOL! Yeah, I imagine that's just "Standard Action Pose". Moff's always gone to great lengths to make him cool, but remind you he's not (i.e. he wanted to be cool for Amy, but cried when he saw his child)
Yeah, Moff has been good with that with both he and--at times--The Doctor. It is part of why I dig these two seasons over Davies tenure. Davies, IMO, tried to rip everyone from their "everyman" status to being a superhero. Moffat seems more than happy to point out the superhero in every everyman.
BTW, meant to say it in the previous post, that is one mean list.
Yeah, I know what you're saying. All the build-up and excitement was in the first-half of the season. After LKH, it became real quiet and insular. I've been reading where the two producers besides Moff, Piers "I'm a corporate douchebag who blew half the budget on the single American episode" Wenger and Beth "I'm involved in an embezzlement investigation at the BBC" Willis....both of whom are being "moved on" from Doctor Who at the end of this season....moved episodes around, and ended up fucking up the rhythm of the season. Herr Moff is not best pleased, but you won't hear that but through the rumor mill because he's so professional about these things. However, I think in retrospect, he will re-assess how wise it was to make this entire season 'The River Song Show'. Alex Kingston was brought in last year because management was worried Smith & Gillan...two unknowns...might not be able to hold the show up by themselves, and brought in a seasoned, known-for-the-Brits actress. Once Smith outshined everyone on screen last year, he should have molded this season to touch on her story in a way that kept him front-and-center. What makes River so special is that she just pops-up every so often. Seeing her every other episode gets, well, repetitive.
Hopefully tonight will surprise and please us, rather than "See? I got out of it. Aren't you surprised?"
Last season, the download of DW's latest ep is already up on warez-bb almost an hour or so after it's been shown. Nowadays it takes much longer.
Meanwhile, Big Bang Theory download links are up to date, and there are about 5-6 threads for it at the top of the lists at any given time. God I hate that show.
This was awesome. One moment kicked me in my childhood stomach. I might have even got a little teary. You know which moment I'm talking about. The phone call. Loved it and it hurt, all at the same time.
I have no real complaints about this. I think Moff tried way too much this season, though. He tried too hard, and some of it is bound to feel unresolved. I hope he learns his lesson for next year
Oh, and I fucking called what "The Question" actually was. Boo-Yah!
I like how Moff played with expectations. The 'that's my name' bit as well as River's own "everybody had a theory" speech. The Brig. stuff was a nice bit. It's where the Doctor realizes even he isn't immortal. A nice nod to an old alum as well.
I do think it was kinda anti-climatic; but the whole "I've gotten too big" comment was an indication of why. I think Moff's pulling further and further away from RTD's over-the-top finales and Earth invasions every other week formula.
I just went back in time and told myself to get excited, because HOLY SHIT that was awesome.
Also, I wonder if the "fall of the eleventh" has something to do with the eleventh incarnation's death, or just another red herring like the silents/silence bit.
I think "the fall of the 11th" comes on the 50th anniversary. I bet Moff and Smith peace-out at exactly that point. It would make sense, given where he's going, what with "the question" touching/exploring the very basis of the show. It would be a good end for Smith's run. But, I'm in no hurry, trust me.
Moff does seem to have an overall plan for this incarnation. It started off with the crack in time, but it's never been fully answered. More questions just keep popping up.
Downloading it now. Hate to sound like a whiny bitch. But, I've been ready for this for awhile and could only watch it in guaranteed HD quality. Thoughts forthcoming.
That was friggin' brilliant. Should've guessed about the Teselecta. :duh: The only thing I was right about, like many others, was the Moffat has been playing the long game in chipping away at Davies rockstar Doctor.
I think it will make for an interesting series seven as I imagine will be seeing the companions having to do more of the legwork to keep up the Doctor is dead charade.
The phone call teared me up. Great nod to the Brig.
The phone call teared me up. Great nod to the Brig.
Yes. Not only was it a beautiful nod, but it was the very kick-in-the-stomach the Doctor felt that made him realize that it was time to grow up and face his death. He always said Lethbridge-Stewart was the bravest soldier he ever knew. In the end, it was that very bravery--simply facing mortality with dignity--that reminded him he could do no less. THAT made it all the more profound, and summed up everything about The Brigadier in one scene than couldn't have been covered in an entire season. A very, very respectful send-off.
I wonder if they did anything for Liz Sladen on the Sarah-Jane Adventures? I haven't read up on it...
Great episode!!! My favorite parts of it had to be the reveal with the Teselecta and the question. The episode kind of wrapped up this season nicely while leaving plenty more to come later without it being needed to be wrapped up now. Hard to explain.
I also found this gem a few pages prior to that one:
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Originally Posted By: Rex
Go get a life, pro.
I was reading through this thread and thought that Snarf, of all people, bitching about the Tenth Doctor being emo was the most ironic thing I'd ever read on this board. Then, I saw this... \:lol\:
So, I was talking to the wife and came up with the idea that, perhaps, the Silence--though creepy as hell--aren't evil. Are they enemies now? Most definitely. But, all we really know is that they want the Doctor dead because of something in his future. My guess is that they may come from a timeline where the Valeyard is actualized. The question is then whether, foiled plan to kill the Doctor or not, they were able to significantly alter things to where the Doctor doesn't become The Valeyard (which, I think, Timelord Victorious was hurtling toward) or simply delay the inevitability of fate as it were?
So, I was talking to the wife and came up with the idea that, perhaps, the Silence--though creepy as hell--aren't evil. Are they enemies now? Most definitely. But, all we really know is that they want the Doctor dead because of something in his future. My guess is that they may come from a timeline where the Valeyard is actualized. The question is then whether, foiled plan to kill the Doctor or not, they were able to significantly alter things to where the Doctor doesn't become The Valeyard (which, I think, Timelord Victorious was hurtling toward) or simply delay the inevitability of fate as it were?
Good theory!! I hadn't really thought of it that way. But, be sure to take into account The Silence have been on Earth "since the wheel and the fire". So, if they're something of a benevolent force, it remains to be seen as an example.
So, I was talking to the wife and came up with the idea that, perhaps, the Silence--though creepy as hell--aren't evil. Are they enemies now? Most definitely. But, all we really know is that they want the Doctor dead because of something in his future. My guess is that they may come from a timeline where the Valeyard is actualized. The question is then whether, foiled plan to kill the Doctor or not, they were able to significantly alter things to where the Doctor doesn't become The Valeyard (which, I think, Timelord Victorious was hurtling toward) or simply delay the inevitability of fate as it were?
Good theory!! I hadn't really thought of it that way. But, be sure to take into account The Silence have been on Earth "since the wheel and the fire". So, if they're something of a benevolent force, it remains to be seen as an example.
Agreed. Still having a hard time rectifying The Silence as quasi-benevolent force with "You should kill us all on sight."
Still, Dream Lord has had me thinking of that darker aspect of the Doctor (parasite or not) since last season.
Moffat has done a great job of rehabilitating classic enemies (no more hybrid Daleks, Cybermen that may or not be of Cybus background) while creating new enemies (Weeping Angels...I repeat, Weeping fucking Angels). Perhaps, he is laying the groundwork for a return of another classic villain.
As a continuation while also a diversion, I think it is clear that Moffat isn't going to be the one to bring back the Master or Davros. Davies completely fucked those guys, IMO. Maybe, one or both of them will come back during a future incarnation but, my money is on Moffat not even trying to clear up all of that stupid.
Got me thinking, when did the doctor tell River his name (the one referenced in Forests of the Dead). The theory that he told her his name on the day of their marriage was not true (technically), unless the doctor's real name is "Look into my eye".
I'm guessing he gets to tell her his name on the fall of 11th thingie, when the doctor finally answers the oldest question in the universe.
Also, I bet the doctor's real name is Snidely. Snidely McTimey.
This is amazing. Over 90 different Doctor Who fans from around the world pooled their personal musical resources, passing around the "Vale Decem" piece from Tennant last episode. Each one chose a specific part of the song their instrument or talent was confined to, and played just those parts. Then, they mailed/emailed the recording on to the next person. And so on and so forth. Check this shit out:
This is amazing. All 90 Doctor Who fans from around the world pooled their personal musical resources, passing around the "Vale Decem" piece from Tennant last episode.
it's the one where he matches the broken sign up to the one of the side of the TARDIS at the end. Van Gogh episode next week, but I'll be out partying. . .
Vampires? I think that's In Cold Blood (or whatever the title of that 2nd ep where the snake bitch killed Rory). the doc fished the broken sign out of the crack.
Shit!! You're absolutely right! I was mistaking it for when he and Rory pause at the end of Vampires right outside the TARDIS. Same setting, different scene/episode.
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The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.
it's the one where he matches the broken sign up to the one of the side of the TARDIS at the end. Van Gogh episode next week, but I'll be out partying. . .
Get your priorities straight here,Grimm. You could go party and get drunk. Maybe take a girl or two home with you.You'll just end up having drunken sex with women who you may never see again Or you could stay home and watch an old episode of Doctor Who and read comic books during the commercial breaks. The choice seems obvious here.
Shit!! You're absolutely right! I was mistaking it for when he and Rory pause at the end of Vampires right outside the TARDIS. Same setting, different scene/episode.
Originally Posted By: SoM
The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.
Finally caught the last half of the season. I thought it was ok but liked last season better. The stuff with Amy and Rory towards the end was bittersweet for me. Plus the very end of it with the blue head was kind of meh. It was much much better than Torchwood's Miracle Day. I never really liked Torchwood except for the characters and this didn't change much for me. Nice to see that Gwen and her husband survived along with Cap. Jack.
Watched Vault of Horror with the missus last night, I didn't get to see the credits so I was a bit surprised when I saw Tom Baker in it, looking a bit like Jesus Christ.
You realize that the bad cop in the first one was Troughton's son, right? Also found out that the original TV adaptation back in the early 80's had Bernard Cribbins as Dangerous Davies. Seriously, this bastard was all Who'd up.
Once you know it, you'll recognize the family resemblance. I kept thinking that I knew him from something else the whole damn time. It wasn't until I saw his name in the end credits that it hit me.
I kind of liked the Last Detective stuff (they only have the first series up). It's so anti-hard boiled detective. Davison's fifth Doctor naivete really helps sell the character. The guy playing his boss does a good job of being a dick but also wanting to cut Davies some slack. Also, the black chick from the homeless guy episode was in the last two season's of Blake's 7. Nerdness abounds.
SMEG knew they killed the Brig offscreen didnt know Courtney actually died.
Yeah, he died couple of months before Sladen/SJS did.
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Tennant's final episode, "The End of Time", was supposed to be him and The Brig together. But, because of Courtney's stroke, cancer, and failing health, RTD re-wrote it for the Wilf character. Imagine how meaningful Ten's sacrifice would have been if he could have died to save The Brig!
The Oldest Question in the Universe was asked in the second episode of Doctor Who, ever, called "The Cave of Skulls". Now, think to the finale this year. Where was he when he learned of the question? In a "cave of skulls"....
The Oldest Question in the Universe was asked in the second episode of Doctor Who, ever, called "The Cave of Skulls". Now, think to the finale this year. Where was he when he learned of the question? In a "cave of skulls"....
so I went ahead and picked up series six, part two this week (they didn't have the first part. shrugs). very nice. Moffat pulls off "bait and switch" stories the way they were meant to be done. he mixes up mythos heavy episodes with more accessible "human interest" stuff. science fiction on a science fiction show! who would've thought it?
he's really captured the feel of the Doctor Who that I remembered but with a freshness and moderness to the approach. this is the kind of stuff I've been waiting to see since the relaunch.
he's also shown RTD for the one trick pony that he was. I look at eps like "The Lodger" and "Closing Time" as pretty much parodies of the RTD era. especially "Closing Time." it makes me hate RTD's run that much more when I see what we could have been getting from Moffat and what we were saddled with by RTD.
What did you think about the season finale with the Pandorica and The Big Bang? What's your estimate of Matt Smith so far? What about Rory the Roman?
You say you picked up Six/2 this week. Where does it start? 'Let's Kill Hitler'? Man, I really hope you get to see the first half soon and then watch it all together. I think you'll really love the huge big picture Moff's playing with. Have you finished the second half of that season yet?
Also, did you ever see the first half of Smith's first season? If I remember correctly, you started with the Van Gogh episode, right?
And, while I looooved 'The Lodger', I thought 'Closing Time' was horseshit. I LOATHE beating ANY enemy with fucking "love". That's the gayest shit. Period.
Gay? Yes. Still not as gay as Twilight nor as gay as mind-hacking telepathic satellite systems the use people thinking and chanting your name to some how reverse the rapid aging done to you AND give you crazy super powers.
mind-hacking telepathic satellite systems the use people thinking and chanting your name to some how reverse the rapid aging done to you AND give you crazy super powers is still not as gay as two men literally pumping each other in the ass on screen for more than 5 minutes (Miracle Day)
nor as gay as mind-hacking telepathic satellite systems the use people thinking and chanting your name to some how reverse the rapid aging done to you AND give you crazy super powers.
HOLY SHIT!!
Yes. Point made and won. There really isn't anything that lives up to the pure-shit-level of 'Jesus-Doctor'. CLOSING TIME was art comparatively. Damn, I'd blocked that out of my head...
mind-hacking telepathic satellite systems the use people thinking and chanting your name to some how reverse the rapid aging done to you AND give you crazy super powers is still not as gay as two men literally pumping each other in the ass on screen for more than 5 minutes (Miracle Day)
I don't mind the ass-fucking (he said). What I mind is that it was FOUR HOURS of ass-fucking as filler to such an unbalanced, self-contradicting, ridiculously ignorant ONE HOUR story. Poor Jane Espen. Since she wrote the script, she's had to take the stick for that one. But, it's lately become quite known (and hushed-up to some extent) that she wrote mainly the dialogue, with everything else coming from Russell T. Davies. Absolutely no one was surprised by that revelation.
Yeah, I guess it isn't so much the ass fucking that goads me about Miracle Day as much as it is I really don't want to see Queer as Folk masquerading as a sci-fi show.
(I find it odd that a clip containing major spoilers came from BBCWorldwide themselves)
there's two things I like about Tennant and Smith's doctors:
First is the badass moments (we've talked about these things many times so I'm not gonna bother)
Second is the times when he says "I'm Sorry..." and what comes after. It looks like they really mean it, and it's really affecting coming from someone like the doctor, who supposedly never gives up on people or always has a plan. You tend to feel sorry for the person, and for the doctor as well.
With Smith, I agree most definitely. Honestly, you know me and Tennant. I got tired of his cliched use of "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry". He says it in nearly every damn episode. But, that's just me.
Personally, I was a fan of Eccleston's "Shut up a minute". That seems to be more 'Doctor' to me.
What did you think about the season finale with the Pandorica and The Big Bang?
too hard to really enjoy with a bunch of seven year old running around. the ending was still a bit "deus ex machina" although not nearly as bad as RTD's stuff.
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What's your estimate of Matt Smith so far?
he has an alienness to his performance that reminds me of Baker at his best but without being derivative. he's also got a pretty good emotional range. much better than Tennant and his one constant whatever.
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What about Karen Gillan?
sexy accent!
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You say you picked up Six/2 this week. Where does it start? 'Let's Kill Hitler'?
Yes. this is the ep I'm referring to when I say "bait and switch" done right.
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Man, I really hope you get to see the first half soon and then watch it all together. I think you'll really love the huge big picture Moff's playing with. Have you finished the second half of that season yet?
dunno, but I've gone through the whole dvd.
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Also, did you ever see the first half of Smith's first season? If I remember correctly, you started with the Van Gogh episode, right?
no and no. missed Van Gogh, so I really started with The Lodger.
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And, while I looooved 'The Lodger', I thought 'Closing Time' was horseshit. I LOATHE beating ANY enemy with fucking "love". That's the gayest shit. Period.
presactly! that's why I called it a parody of RTD! I'm serious, but I think you've already figured out my meaning from your responses to Igward. that whole episode is so obviously a comedy and not meant to be taken seriously.
You don't like Rory the Roman?! Noooooooo! Blasphemy! Man I fucking L-O-V-E Rory Williams.
If you watched the entire DVD, then the last episode you would have stopped with was "The Wedding of River Song". Am I right?
I'm only asking because I'm trying to be delicate with SPOILERS and such.
Which means you've seen Night Terrors (meh), The God Complex (awesome), and The Girl Who Waited (awesome). Man, I'd looove to hear your thoughts about these episodes, and/or any others you have on the Who you've seen. Since I know how you think, and I know the kind of entertainment you and I like, nothing would make me happier than you blogging your thoughts on the Who you watch. I've been anticipating one day sending you the Matt Smith era, simply because I knew you would dig it. I have the entire Season Five (Matty's first) on BluRay. Do you have a BluRay player or PS3 or something? If so, PM your mailing address and I'll ship it to you (provided you know it was a gift from Rowe, so I'll need it back at some point). I could, theoretically, even throw in a flashdrive with all of Season Six on there if you like/have a way of viewing it.
You don't like Rory the Roman?! Noooooooo! Blasphemy! Man I fucking L-O-V-E Rory Williams.
I have little to no opinion on him at this time. so far, he's just there for the most part. or, "the boy who waited" if you prefer. . .
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keyrectamundo.
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I'm only asking because I'm trying to be delicate with SPOILERS and such.
you do know I have read most of this thread, right?
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Which means you've seen Night Terrors (meh), The God Complex (awesome), and The Girl Who Waited (awesome). Man, I'd looove to hear your thoughts about these episodes, and/or any others you have on the Who you've seen.
Night Terrors-creepy little doll monsters, otherwise eh.
God Complex-cool premise, great monster. nice little talk between the Doc and the space minotaur at the end. like I said, some science fiction on a science fiction show. finally.
Girl Who Waited-again, really good sci-fi. great stuff with the two Amys.
ahh, what else. . .Kill Hitler/Wedding of River-I'll address together as they kind of fit. they're both mythos heavy episodes that contain massive revelations and such. this is what I referred to earlier when I say "what I've been waiting for since the relaunch." though the Doctor's little trick was telegraphed early on, but like I said, it's not nearly as bad RTD's attempts at story resolution. loved the last scene.
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do you now? a lot of people think a lot of things about "Australian for beer. . ."
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meaning where our interests intersect, which is always fun to discuss.
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nothing would make me happier than you blogging your thoughts on the Who you watch.
no promises, but we'll see. a lot going on these days.
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I've been anticipating one day sending you the Matt Smith era, simply because I knew you would dig it. I have the entire Season Five (Matty's first) on BluRay. Do you have a BluRay player or PS3 or something? If so, PM your mailing address and I'll ship it to you (provided you know it was a gift from Rowe, so I'll need it back at some point). I could, theoretically, even throw in a flashdrive with all of Season Six on there if you like/have a way of viewing it.
Let me know.
nah, I'm a luddite. I'm using a cheapie dvd player I picked up last year after my VHS/DVD combo player bit the dust.
While not necessarily my favorite, I will second SoM in saying that it was one of the best episodes from series 5. Amy's Choice was another good one that, I think, laid out some hints as to where Moffat is taking things.
When I started on Vincent and the Doctor, I was prepared to hate it. "the doctor and amy meets vincent van gogh" didn't sound exciting to me and it was written by a rom com writer. The monster wasn't special either. The real pull for me was how the episode treated Vincent's condition (if it was another show, you'd expect that it ended with Vincent Van Gogh returning home pleased himself and finally cured of his depression, with the tardis duo waving off into the sunset).
The Louvre scene at the end was touching (oth louvre scenes - vincent first. Then Amy's.) And what the doctor said to amy is easily one of the most quotable things Eleventh has said so far (second only to the "there's one thing you never put in a trap" for me)
I've gotten five people at my coffee shop into watching Doctor Who, just by letting them borrow Matt Smith's first season. I'm constantly dumping eps from 2005-2011 onto a flashdrive and passing them around. My barista's eight-year-old had nightmares from BLINK (I warned them ahead of time). So, he's completely hooked!
Doctor Who. There's a reason it's been around for 50-fucking-years...
Doctor Who head honcho Steven Moffat has dismissed rumours that the planned Who movie will be a drastic re-imagining of the TV series.
Taking to Twitter this morning, the writer said: “To clarify: any Doctor Who movie would be made by the BBC team, star the current TV Doctor and certainly NOT be a Hollywood reboot.”
His words come a fortnight after Harry Potter director David Yates told Variety that he was in line to direct a film based on the popular science fiction series, which would see him “start from scratch” on a “radical transformation” of the programme.
Moffat contextualised Yates’ remark in another tweet, saying: “David Yates, great director, was speaking off the cuff, on a red carpet.”
In a statement issued to a national newspaper, Moffat said that Doctor Who is “a vitally important BBC brand with a huge international audience” and one which “not even Hollywood can start from scratch”.
The producer also revealed that as yet “there simply are no developed plans for a Doctor Who movie at the moment” but “if and when the movie happens it will need to star television's Doctor Who - and there's only ever one of those at a time.
"Whatever happens, the BBC and BBC Worldwide will work together to ensure that we don't just get a movie, we get the movie that everyone wants," he added.
I believe Arthur Dent from the BBC TV HHGTTG miniseries back in the day is also one of them. I know for a fact he's in 12 Monkeys.
I really wish Moff would bring Ian back for the 50th. We literally haven't seen or heard anything from Ian & Barbara since 1964. It would be all kinds of cool to have old man Ian meet young-immortal The Doctor. The classic switch-around from the 60's when The Doc was the old man, and Ian was the young action hero...
Rumors have begun to circulate that they might have found a reel copy of one of the 110-missing episodes of the Hartnell/Troughton era! If that's true, it will be the first one found in the 21st century, with the last one coming (I believe) in the mid-90's with Troughton's Cyberman opus, 'The Invasion' (also the first time we see Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart promoted to the rank we come to know him best-The Brigadier)...
According to Twitter, Steven Moffat mentioned/answered-question concerning my Twitter ID "Ozzy Baxter" in the latest Doctor Who magazine. It'll be the end of the month before the issue hits here, but that's hilariously awesome! Ozzy Baxter is finally a "real person".
Bowties are starting to become trendy in here, I see a lot of teenagers, teen actors, and fashionable people using bowties, and it's not like they're using it along with a busboy's uniform or a tuxedo, they use it with a goofy coat like Smith. You can easily tell it's cool now because of Smith (or maybe someone who watches Smith thought it was cool, and then it snowballed from there and now people who aren't even familiar with the show think bowties are cool.)
Also, wasn't the whole point of "bowties are cool" is the fact that it's not, and the doctor only makes it cool because he's the doctor (or it's cool because he's totally unaware that it isn't). When other people ape it it's just goofy.
You can easily tell it's cool now because of Smith (or maybe someone who watches Smith thought it was cool, and then it snowballed from there and now people who aren't even familiar with the show think bowties are cool.)
Yeah, I read that sales of bowties in the UK shot up 90% after his first season. I'm not surprised it's spreading.
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Also, wasn't the whole point of "bowties are cool" is the fact that it's not, and the doctor only makes it cool because he's the doctor (or it's cool because he's totally unaware that it isn't). When other people ape it it's just goofy.
Correct! But, I'm not surprised random fans/people are getting into it. It's an easy fashion/pop culture statement to make.
It's funny. I hear some Whovians claim that David Tennant is the "BESTEST DOCTOR EVAR!!1!" Yet, I don't see a single person running around dressed like him gurning like an idiot. So, it's funny how Smith's Doctor has effortlessly conquered the fans that aren't simply Tweenants. Not only that, but it's based on the ratings and reactions, Matt Smith is waaaay bigger in the US than Tennant. Smith's appeared twice on Craig Ferguson's CBS Late Night Show. Gillan's appeared. They sold out of the NYC season premiere, with hundreds waiting outside to get an autograph. Look up Comi-Con 2011 panels on YouTube. THOUSANDS in attendance. That's huge for a non-American celebrity or show. Just the other day, I was wearing my Matt Smith/Mickey Mouse Watch shirt. Five random people all paused and commented "Hey Doctor Who!" or "Matt Smith is cool!" That's in South Carolina, United States.
So, in conclusion, I would expect more bowties in public. It's the second-SECOND Renaissance for Doctor Who...
Wow. That Xmas special was a bit crap, wasn't it? Smith was flawless, as ever. The Androzani Trio was excellent, and should have had more screentime. But, the rest? Really, really bad Doctor Who. Moffat is obviously overworked. Hell, the first five minutes with The Doctor yelling and breathing in space (!!!!!) broke my NUMBER ONE NERDRAGE RULE OF SCIENCE FUCKING FICTION: NO. BREATHING. IN. SPACE.
The worst Steven Moffat script ever produced. It had to come, sooner or later I guess...
Wow. That Xmas special was a bit crap, wasn't it? Smith was flawless, as ever. The Androzani Trio was excellent, and should have had more screentime. But, the rest? Really, really bad Doctor Who. Moffat is obviously overworked. Hell, the first five minutes with The Doctor yelling and breathing in space (!!!!!) broke my NUMBER ONE NERDRAGE RULE OF SCIENCE FUCKING FICTION: NO. BREATHING. IN. SPACE.
The worst Steven Moffat script ever produced. It had to come, sooner or later I guess...
Yeah, seemed like Moffat just phoned it in on this one. Seemed like it was there to pull at the heart strings more than anything. Wasn't a total loss, though. We got to see him reconnect with the Pond's before the next season kicks off. Only thing I would've liked to see in the last scene was him walking through the door to dinner and hearing a "Hello, sweetie." as it faded to black/door closed.
P.S. I'm willing to let the breathing in space thing go so long as they are around a ship or something that could theoretically have an oxygen field, but--yeah--over the top as soon as he started falling. Anyway, I think it would be cool "effect" of sorts to have someone's screaming suddenly cut off as they were hurled into the vacuum of space.
I also had problems with him surviving the fall from space. It can be easily explained that it's because the suit was super durable and designed to withstand impact, but then again that would make the suit a really damn powerful weapon to be treated as a throwaway (also, they could have at least given him a couple of lines to explain the thing, I mean, they do spend a few lines to explain the TARDIS' translator and its shield.)
Yeah, like I said, Moff threw this one together slapdash. It was as if RTD was the ghost-writer...
The RTD hate lives on.
I think Moffat isn't perfect but I actually liked this one. Much of the criticism about this special is probably valid but when I watched it I didn't care. It was just nice seeing a happy ending after last season's darkness. The bit at the end with Amy and Rory was perfect IMHO.
BTW the actress that played the mother was in another brit series called Outnumbered that I think is really funny.
Heh. Poor old RTD. His gems are few and far between. But, the reason I dislike his work is because it doesn't have to be the case. He's a genius writer. He's just too cowardly to commit himself to writing honest, genuine, thoughtful science fiction. He's too pressured by trying to remain "cool" in the eyes of the general public and the Gay/Lesbian Community who tend to think the only good Who is camp Who. That wasn't a generalization more than an observation.
I found the mother actress to be a bad, bad actress. At no point did she convince me of any emotion at any point. She just read her lines. The girl will be a knock-out when she gets older and she was a good little actress. The boy kid was there to look like "Ralphie", glasses and all. The plot was slapdash, the pacing was erratic, and every emotional moment felt hollow and forced.
We get it, Moff. The Doctor is a childlike Santa Claus character. We get it. You insist this as your main theme, like RTD insisted The Doctor was this emo-ridden avenging angel or something. Okay. Good got it. He likes kids. He's big kid. You think Doctor Who is a kid's show. Yes, we got it all. Now what?
I mean, this cannot be the same writer that gave us 'The Empty Child' from 2005. Try imagining Christopher Eccleston in that Xmas special. It's just crap.
You want a par excellent Xmas episode? Last year's 'A Christmas Carol' was volumes above this placid drivel. Last year's was the best Who Xmas story ever made. I want THAT writer back. Or I want him to go concentrate on SHERLOCK and give Doctor Who to someone who knows what it means to run the show...
Heh. Poor old RTD. His gems are few and far between. But, the reason I dislike his work is because it doesn't have to be the case. He's a genius writer. He's just too cowardly to commit himself to writing honest, genuine, thoughtful science fiction. He's too pressured by trying to remain "cool" in the eyes of the general public and the Gay/Lesbian Community who tend to think the only good Who is camp Who. That wasn't a generalization more than an observation.
I found the mother actress to be a bad, bad actress. At no point did she convince me of any emotion at any point. She just read her lines. The girl will be a knock-out when she gets older and she was a good little actress. The boy kid was there to look like "Ralphie", glasses and all. The plot was slapdash, the pacing was erratic, and every emotional moment felt hollow and forced.
We get it, Moff. The Doctor is a childlike Santa Claus character. We get it. You insist this as your main theme, like RTD insisted The Doctor was this emo-ridden avenging angel or something. Okay. Good got it. He likes kids. He's big kid. You think Doctor Who is a kid's show. Yes, we got it all. Now what?
I mean, this cannot be the same writer that gave us 'The Empty Child' from 2005. Try imagining Christopher Eccleston in that Xmas special. It's just crap.
You want a par excellent Xmas episode? Last year's 'A Christmas Carol' was volumes above this placid drivel. Last year's was the best Who Xmas story ever made. I want THAT writer back. Or I want him to go concentrate on SHERLOCK and give Doctor Who to someone who knows what it means to run the show...
that's the best one from Tennant's last specials. Purely because of Jackson Lake's story. I couldn't care less about the Cybermen and the hag.
Yep. Although, I like WATERS OF MARS from his specials. The darker the better for me.
The Waters of Mars sucked. The only thing good was the ending because it looked like it was setting up something big for the final specials. When it became obvious that it wasn't, the whole episode was retroactively made complete suck again.
I thought it was a perfect contrast to the "Perfect Ten" years. Here he was, the epitome of good to all his fans, and he falls. Taken in by his incarnation's own vanity and ego. In that episode, Perfect Ten was revealed to be the Egomaniac Incarnation. For me, it worked beautifully. Would I have liked to see a further exploration of it? Sure. But, it was RTD. I never expected art.
that's the best one from Tennant's last specials. Purely because of Jackson Lake's story. I couldn't care less about the Cybermen and the hag.
see, I like the Hitchy Cybermen and I really dig the giant steampunk Cyberking. cool stuff. Lake's story was done really well. it was a Christmas story that wasn't overly shmaltzy or campy. unlike the most recent one.
Ha! That actually WAS the resurrected Rassilon, per RTD. The Time Lords brought him back just as easily as they brought The Master back from his death in the 1996 movie. A body is easy. But, the Gallifreyan Matrix...repository of all Time Lord brain patterns and knowledge...that's what holds the mind/"soul".
Now, with the Matrix gone, I'd imagine any death past regeneration is permanent, finite death....
His voice alone makes the talent fee worth it. I especially loved the part towards the end of part 1, when the narrator is revealed to be Rassilon himself.
they really put the budget to good work on those two eps. The Master's plan seems a bit daft until the reveal that it's all manipulation by Rassilon, and that Rassilon effectively "created" him, putting the sound in his head.
The multiple times Tenth aimed his gun at the end was a bit silly though, especially with the dramatic sound and camera angles being used every single time he changed targets.
Yeah, there was a lot of flimsy RTD fluff in there. But, there was some decent meat, as well. Dalton was perfect for Rassilon. I loved the use of The Master, and a sort-of origin for him. I loved seeing the egomaniac incarnation of The Doctor resentfully facing his mortality. RTD stated in his biography that he wrote Wilf's part for The Brigadier (Nicholas Courtney). Unfortunately, Courtney suffered a stroke was unable to perform. So, he rewrote it for Wilf. Can you imagine the gut-punch if Ten had to sacrifice himself for The Brig like that? It would have been an instant-classic if that had been the case.
Either way, while the ending was stretched out beyond reason, I still think it was a decent ending for Ten...
I liked Wilf. that was one seriously cool old man. I thought several times during the two episodes that he was in a Brigadier-like role and wondered about that. I wouldn't mind seeing him back in the show, although it seems unlikely.
RTD was actually very toned down in his writing here, and I enjoyed it much more than most of his season enders/cliffhangers.
New series is pushed back to autumn. Moffat is being coy about is it will run longer than the usual 13 episodes and says, “There will never be a better time to be a Doctor Who fan, I absolutely promise you that.” Looks like the 50th is going to be a big year.
[Whonerdness] I would like a 10th and 20th style crossover. Get somebody to do Hartnell's and get Jon and Patrick's sons to step in for them, use the same explanation for Davisison's Children in Need cameo with Ten and let 'er rip. Though I doubt Tom would participate again. I think he's still afraid of bursting the nostalgia bubble from his era. [/Whonerdness]
they have enough living Doctors to do a really cool thing. use footage of the deceased guys cut in with some sort of explanation along the lines of Tom's absence from Five Doctors. that's all you need.
I don't know what you guys are talking about at this exact moment, but I really like Matt Smith. Gillan is freakin' incredible, and Dr Who has been incredible.....I hope they can keep these producers/writers/actors together for another couple of years.
I don't know what you guys are talking about at this exact moment, but I really like Matt Smith. Gillan is freakin' incredible, and Dr Who has been incredible.....I hope they can keep these producers/writers/actors together for another couple of years.
well, I'm catching up on Smith and Tennant through various means and I agree witchou. at the moment we're all nerd hoping for a multi-Doctor storyline to celebrate the upcoming 50th ann. during the next season.
I realise now that Davros' shaking gestures are likely based on Adolf Hitler's shaking (due to Parkinson's disease).
I obviously connected Davros with Hitler (and Daleks with Nazis) when I first saw the episode as a 14 year old, but I didn't realise the significance of Davros' symptoms.
Yeah, Captain Jack's considered a Companion because he traveled with the 9th Doctor & Rose for awhile. Lothar, have you seen the 2005 season with Chris Eccleston?
Whereas, I wouldn't actually count Astrid, Wilf, or Craig in those clips. They just guest-starred. They didn't travel with him. I have no idea why some fans try to shoehorn them into Companion status. Hell, Astrid didn't even step foot into the TARDIS. But, they try and count her because it's Kylie Minogue. Bunch of RTD bullshit.
Yeah, Captain Jack's considered a Companion because he traveled with the 9th Doctor & Rose for awhile. Lothar, have you seen the 2005 season with Chris Eccleston?
Ok. Wiki also says he is a companion. I think of him as a friend of the doctor and not so much as a companion.
Favorite episodes still remain the ones with the stone angels. "Blink" was the best for its creepiness factor, but the one with River Song was good, too.
LONDON — A former Emmerdale actress was on Wednesday given the keys to the Tardis after she was named Doctor Who's new time-travelling companion in the BBC's sci-fi show.
Jenna-Louise Coleman, 25, will appear in a special Christmas episode alongside Matt Smith -- who plays the 11th incarnation of the Time Lord.
Coleman will replace Karen Gillan -- who plays the Doctor's popular sidekick Amy Pond -- when she leaves the show in what the BBC describes as a "heart-breaking" exit from the long-running show first screened in 1963.
"I'm beyond excited, I can't wait to get cracking; working alongside Matt I know is going to be enormous fun and a huge adventure," said the Blackpool-based actress, who has also appeared in Waterloo Road.
The show?s executive producer Steven Moffat was full of praise for Coleman -- who will be the Doctor's 36th companion.
He said she was "funny and clever and exactly mad enough to step on board the Tardis ? a time machine that appears to the outside world as a police telephone box from the late 1950s.
"It's not often the doctor meets someone who can talk even faster than he does, but it's about to happen. Jenna is going to lead him his merriest dance yet," joked Moffat, who remained tight-lipped about the new series of the show, which is screened in more than 50 countries.
He did however reveal that Gillan would be written out in the fifth episode of 2012 in a "final encounter" with weeping angels.
Glad to see Karen is going to get the death she wanted for Amy. Or, so it seems. Rory better not fucking die, though. Have him incapacitated and unable to save her, have him leave hating the Doctor and blaming him for Amy's death, but they better not kill him.
Can't say much about the new girl. Just have to wait and see. It'd be nice if she was an alien, though. Just a thought.
Also, we're both wrong. If you subscribe to just the films, he died a full-bird Commander, set to take over for Riker. If you take the JJ Abrams comic-verse prequel to STAR TREK 2009:
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The comic is set eight years after the film Star Trek Nemesis. Federation and Romulan tensions have generally subsided, with Spock the official Federation ambassador to the Romulans. Data is still alive and has become captain of the Enterprise-E after successfully imprinting his memories onto the prototype android B-4. Jean-Luc Picard is now Federation ambassador to Vulcan, Geordi La Forge has retired to develop his own ships, and Worf is a General in the Klingon Empire.
Good thing I speak in metaphors and don't give a shit about military rank. It's what I get for watching so much MASH...
I stand corrected. He died a "full Commander".
P.S. I'd like to extend a welcome to Pariah, who I don't think has stepped foot into this thread before. I am glad he could be here to witness this specific military-slang blunder...
When the scriptwriters for Doctor Who imagined a futuristic device, they came up with the Sonic Screwdriver. Now a team of physicists at the University of Dundee have taken equipment designed for MRI-guided focused ultrasound surgery and demonstrated a real Sonic Screwdriver - lifting and spinning a free-floating 10 cm diameter rubber disk with an ultrasound beam.
The Dundee researchers used energy from an ultrasound array to form a beam that can both carry momentum to push away an object in its path and, by using a beam shaped like a helix or vortex, cause the object to rotate.
"This experiment not only confirms a fundamental physics theory but also demonstrates a new level of control over ultrasound beams which can also be applied to non-invasive ultrasound surgery, targeted drug delivery and ultrasonic manipulation of cells," said Dr Mike MacDonald, of the Institute for Medical Science and Technology (IMSAT) at Dundee.
The theory the Dundee researchers were testing is valid for both sound and light and is one that is used in topics from quantum communications to biophotonics but which had not previously been proved in a single experiment. The theory states that the ratio of angular momentum to energy in a vortex beam is equal to the ratio of the number of intertwined helices to the frequency of the beam.
"For the first time, our experimental results confirm directly the validity of this fundamental theory," said Dr. Christine Demore, from IMSAT. "Previously this ratio could only be assumed from theory as the angular momentum and power in a beam had only ever been measured independently."
The ultrasound beam generated by the Dundee team resembles the 'double-helix' structure of DNA but with many more twisted strands, or helices. This vortex beam generates a rotating, angular component of momentum that can exert torque on an object. In the recent publication they showed how they could generate vortex beams with many intertwined helices, using a 1000-element ultrasound transducer array as an acoustic hologram. These beams are powerful enough to levitate and spin the 90g disk made of ultrasonic absorber in water.
The research forms part of a UK-wide Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) project known as 'Sonotweezers', which involves the Universities of Bristol, Dundee, Glasgow and Southampton as well as seven industry partners. SonotweezersTM aim to bring dexterity and flexibility to ultrasonic manipulation, allowing applications in a wide range of topics including regenerative medicine, tissue engineering, developmental biology and physics.
"The 'sonic screwdriver' device is also part of the EU-funded Nanoporation project where we are already starting to push the boundaries of what ultrasound can do in terms of targeted drug delivery and targeted cellular surgery," said Dr MacDonald. "It is an area that has great potential for developing new surgical techniques, among other applications, something which Dundee is very much at the forefront of.
"Like Dr. Who's own device, our sonic screwdriver is capable of much more than just spinning things around."
When the scriptwriters for Doctor Who imagined a futuristic device, they came up with the Sonic Screwdriver. Now a team of physicists at the University of Dundee have taken equipment designed for MRI-guided focused ultrasound surgery and demonstrated a real Sonic Screwdriver - lifting and spinning a free-floating 10 cm diameter rubber disk with an ultrasound beam.
The Dundee researchers used energy from an ultrasound array to form a beam that can both carry momentum to push away an object in its path and, by using a beam shaped like a helix or vortex, cause the object to rotate.
"This experiment not only confirms a fundamental physics theory but also demonstrates a new level of control over ultrasound beams which can also be applied to non-invasive ultrasound surgery, targeted drug delivery and ultrasonic manipulation of cells," said Dr Mike MacDonald, of the Institute for Medical Science and Technology (IMSAT) at Dundee.
The theory the Dundee researchers were testing is valid for both sound and light and is one that is used in topics from quantum communications to biophotonics but which had not previously been proved in a single experiment. The theory states that the ratio of angular momentum to energy in a vortex beam is equal to the ratio of the number of intertwined helices to the frequency of the beam.
"For the first time, our experimental results confirm directly the validity of this fundamental theory," said Dr. Christine Demore, from IMSAT. "Previously this ratio could only be assumed from theory as the angular momentum and power in a beam had only ever been measured independently."
The ultrasound beam generated by the Dundee team resembles the 'double-helix' structure of DNA but with many more twisted strands, or helices. This vortex beam generates a rotating, angular component of momentum that can exert torque on an object. In the recent publication they showed how they could generate vortex beams with many intertwined helices, using a 1000-element ultrasound transducer array as an acoustic hologram. These beams are powerful enough to levitate and spin the 90g disk made of ultrasonic absorber in water.
The research forms part of a UK-wide Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC) project known as 'Sonotweezers', which involves the Universities of Bristol, Dundee, Glasgow and Southampton as well as seven industry partners. SonotweezersTM aim to bring dexterity and flexibility to ultrasonic manipulation, allowing applications in a wide range of topics including regenerative medicine, tissue engineering, developmental biology and physics.
"The 'sonic screwdriver' device is also part of the EU-funded Nanoporation project where we are already starting to push the boundaries of what ultrasound can do in terms of targeted drug delivery and targeted cellular surgery," said Dr MacDonald. "It is an area that has great potential for developing new surgical techniques, among other applications, something which Dundee is very much at the forefront of.
"Like Dr. Who's own device, our sonic screwdriver is capable of much more than just spinning things around."
I follow astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson on Twitter, he was watching Mary Poppins a week ago, and comments she must have been a time lord because her bag was bigger on the inside.
He also said if was caught sliding up that banister in those days they would have burned her at the stake for witchcraft.
I assume you want to continue to call this "The new official I win thread!" since you keep changing it back. Since that seems to be something you need, go right ahead. I'll leave it however you like. That way, you can sleep soundly at night.
DeGrasse is also the guy who made James Cameron go back and rework the night sky for Titanic's re-release to make it historically accurate. Don't care about Titanic, but thought it was funny that Cameron went through all that painstaking detail with the costumes, sets, props, and such as to fuck up on the stars in the sky.
No thanks. I'm too fucking awesome to associate with bottom feeders. It shattered you the moment you realized how easily I can make you react. And when you can't take me, you start with personal shots. That's a pussy-move on your part. Not a troll move. You're throwing a tantrum and you look childish doing it. So, you know, fuck off. I'll do what I want, how I want. And you can all you want, "Jake".
No thanks. I'm too fucking awesome to associate with bottom feeders. It shattered you the moment you realized how easily I can make you react. And when you can't take me, you start with personal shots. That's a pussy-move on your part. Not a troll move. You're throwing a tantrum and you look childish doing it. So, you know, fuck off. I'll do what I want, how I want. And you can all you want, "Jake".
Wow, you rewrote history.
Here is what has been happening.
I start a thread taking a tiny poke at you.
You fill it with your madness.
It has been obvious in out past squabbles that you cannot be dealt with with intellect and reason.
Sure, it's a word you use to illicit a reaction in another poster.
But I think that is the only connection you have with that word.
It could be why you are so angry and quick to throw one of your temper tantrums.
As for personal shots, you were the one who stated to address your posts to "Jake" the person behind the keyboard.
Long before I made any silly quips about your wife installing Net nanny, or making any malicious photoshops of your head.
Now I don't mind. I've had alot of fun with this message board war of ours.
You shouldn't dish out what you cannot take. Insult me all you want. Use whatever words you know. It all goes away for me when I click the little x or finally decide on what to watch.
I always addressed Pro, the message board name. Hell, I even misspelled your real name, so I may have never even used that.
So if I am a pussy for the avatar and banner of you, you are a pussy for using my real name hoping it would bother me.
But lucky for me I have a testosterone filled cowboy name.
1/3 of Devins are female. Fact.
I'm coming to save you, Pro. When this is all over you will thank me for this tough love.
Wow. You're comparing our names? That's grammar school nonsense. Get out of here with that shit.
Take a look back at threads in the past. I address you as Jake, in the same way I address Wonder Boy as David, Sammitch as Phil and Lothar, Frank. Why you think I've singled you out is beyond me. As far as I was concerned, before you got all butthurt over the Steve Jobs Twitter shit, I liked you quite a bit.
You can sit there and pretend you haven't been trying to goad me ever since then. But, we both know that would be a lie. I apologized to Doc for misunderstanding him. You jumping on the bandwagon was expected. Then you went apeshit and started throwing a spamming temper tantrum. And because you totally don't care, you took the time to make a Frontpage Banner of me. Just like G-Man did when MEM kept beating his ass into the political dirt. Funny that, huh?
My theory is, like Lothar, you're just an alt of another poster here I've pissed off. If you're Rob, G-Man, Rex, or none of the above, the fact remains you've been on my ass for awhile now, and I never even fired the first shot.
So, believe what you like, little man. I'm not the one -ing all over the entire message board.
My theory is, like Lothar, you're just an alt of another poster here I've pissed off. If you're Rob, G-Man, Rex, or none of the above, the fact remains you've been on my ass for awhile now, and I never even fired the first shot.
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
So, believe what you like, little man. I'm not the one -ing all over the entire message board.
Which gives you the right to take personal shots at Devin? I thought you said everything was aimed at Prometheus? Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways. You're either throwing a tantrum at Devin, and using pictures of him to get attention, or you're throwing a tantrum at Prometheus, and not getting so butthurt you have to go after his private life. Which one is it, "Jake"?
Dude, make all the posters, avatars, siglines, and frontpage banners of me you want. You're the one proving your own weakness. Anything I don't enjoy seeing, I can Ad-block. It makes no difference to me. What I'M saying to you is, anything you say is irrelevant as long as you continue to try to get to me by taking personal shots. As I said before, that's for pussies who can't bring anything else to the table. I don't play that game. I never have. I don't bring who you are into it. I don't dig up old photos of you (of which I have plenty from when I did your Random Interview) or create Frontpage banners out of spite (just like G-Man). I only play with the Messageboard Persona. I can't break it down any simpler for you than that...
That little joke line I wrote on my profile is really bothering you, isn't it? Was that "position" a source of pride for you, "Jake"? Do you feel like less of a man now that I can do what you cannot? And honestly, I'm the nicest guy on these boards. The only people that face my bad side are pussies that attack me personally. Everyone else I love to death. Even and especially crazy-as-fuck Wonder Boy. Couldn't live without him.
All of that aside, like I said (and you're trying to pretend I didn't) it's quite clear how it works:
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anything you say is irrelevant as long as you continue to try to get to me by taking personal shots. As I said before, that's for pussies who can't bring anything else to the table.
So, keep doing the personal stuff, and I'll keep treating you like a bleeding pussy. When you finally grow some balls, I'll still be here, same as I was two years before you ever arrived. Come see me, G...
Why are you so glib? As soon as something doesn't go your way you loose your shit.
You throw a temper tantrum, then you blame everybody else for your stupidity.
You mean when you have a Twitter disagreement and have to run to the boards to create a thread to about me? Or when, with a single post, I snap you so completely you go on a board-wide spamming spree, trying to attack me personally?
Yeah. I'M the one that throws "a temper tantrum" and "blame everybody else" for "my stupidity". Unfortunately, a cursory glance at the facts prove you wrong. Again.
Fact.
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DEERRRRR!!!!! You have the tastes, sensibilities, and maturity of a 16 year old girl. DEEEERRRR!!!!
Too bad your opinion is as relevant to this conversation, and about as useful, as anything else you offer these boards, "Jake". That being, not at all.
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As for you calling yourself the RKMB senior Troll.
It does offend me, because we deserve better.
You're weak, mentally.
And yet, no one seems awesome enough to claim it, do they? Short of BSAMS coming back, I don't see where you have much hope there.
I mean, me even at my absolute weakest, and I would still tower beyond your ability to cope. I'm an adult, playing an adult game. You're an uneducated child, throwing tantrums when you can't get others to conform to your selfish needs. Grow up, ape.
And, as ever, you still try to deflect and deny my absolute point:
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
anything you say is irrelevant as long as you continue to try to get to me by taking personal shots. As I said before, that's for pussies who can't bring anything else to the table.
I know this may come as a blow to your ego, but I've never been angry at anything you posted.
You project your own anger, and annoyance onto whomever you happen to be disagree with at the moment.
You accuse me of being upset and throwing a temper tantrum only because I disagree.
Anybody who you do not agree with you just dismiss as uninformed, unintelligent, or throwing a fit.
You don't even have any clue you've only been playing these games by MY rules. These threads I created in Random Chat didn't flame you. They exposed you.
It took me no time at all to having you contradict yourself, expose many of your hypocrisies, and showed that even with all that you are also dishonest.
You did a lot of the things that you constantly bitch and complain that have been done to you.
I'd probably be done with you if you didn't react so much like a child who dropped his ice cream.
You're an uneducated child, throwing tantrums when you can't get others to conform to your selfish needs. Grow up, ape.
And, as ever, you still try to deflect and deny my absolute point:
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
anything you say is irrelevant as long as you continue to try to get to me by taking personal shots. As I said before, that's for pussies who can't bring anything else to the table.
Holy shit! I was JUST thinking about you today, BK! I was thinking, "Man, if only BK was still in NYC to give Jake daily blowjobs, he probably wouldn't be menstruating all over the board." But, no, you had to go and like women in Florida and shit....
Oh poor Jake! He got his 'fweelings' hurt, so he runs back to the Doctor Who thread because, I guess, he thinks it bothers me. So fucking predictable. You're out of your league, G. Let it go, pussy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Oh poor Jake! He got his 'fweelings' hurt, so he runs back to the Doctor Who thread because, I guess, he thinks it bothers me. So fucking predictable. You're out of your league, G. Let it go, pussy.
It does bother you. If it hadn't you wouldn't have felt need to comment.
And do not worry, you haven't hurt my feelings. I'm just bored today and felt like trolling.
Try not to get so angry. It's all in good fun, like when you do it, right?
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
I told you. If you want to troll-fight, bring it. I'll play. You want to attack me personally with pics and all? Fuck you. You're a pussy like Rex. Pretty simple. I'd think an ape like you would even be able to understand what I'm saying. But....you don't, do you?
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
I told you. If you want to troll-fight, bring it. I'll play. You want to attack me personally with pics and all? Fuck you. You're a pussy like Rex. Pretty simple. I'd think an ape like you would even be able to understand what I'm saying. But....you don't, do you?
I told you. If you want to troll-fight, bring it. I'll play. You want to attack me personally with pics and all? Fuck you. You're a pussy like Rex. Pretty simple. I'd think an ape like you would even be able to understand what I'm saying. But....you don't, do you?
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
Let me answer that one for you: Because you're one of those pussies that never got over your insecurity at being the dumbest one in the room at any time. When people start talking above your comprehension level, you lash out like an ape flinging it's own shit. You cry and bleed all over the forums, questioning why I would treat you this way, and then turn around and "I'LL SHOW HIM !!" make silly, juvenile poop-pics of me, personally. And why? Because you're just dumb, insecure, and sad. And honestly, you simply don't have the Photoshop skills to even make truly effective insults. I mean, shit, I taught myself Photoshop...on my own...no more than three years ago. And even I can meld shit better than the jagged-jpg crap you try and insult me with. And all the while, you act like you've never heard of Ad-Block. It takes two seconds to make any pic I want to vanish. Who do you think you're bothering with it? All you've now done is prove to the entire forum, of every poster, that you were always this whiny little child. All I had to do was say "BOO!" and you freaked-the-fuck-out.
So, yeah. That's the answer, Jake. You're simply dumb. And while I can always excuse base ignorance, you willfully remain clueless out of some infantile revolt.
Now, you can go back to making weird "gravy" rhymes and incredibly out-dated Dr. Cox-from-SCRUBS references.
In the end, I'm still laughing at how pathetic you've revealed yourself to be. Just like Rex. And to that point, I'm almost wondering if you're not the same guy.
also, does the doctor having two hearts give him abilities beyond those of normal humans? Like I dunno, maybe he's stronger than earthlings due to all that blood pumping in his body all the time.
They've shown him to have strength far above human level. But, that also depends on the incarnation. The 7th Doc having superior strength doesn't help when you're 4'11. The 8th Doc, on the other hand, kicked down a foot-thick steel morgue door with his bare foot. So, it all depends on the situation, the Doctor, and the writer at the time...
The 7th Doc having superior strength doesn't help when you're 4'11.
Bull.
You don't always need superior strength either.
There are thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of martial arts and fighting techniques.
Duuuude... .....I'm talking about fucking Sylvester McCoy. You and I both know nothing he throws is going to hurt. And at the most, we've seen THAT DOCTOR flip people off their feet with that 3rd Doctor Venusian karate stuff. But, in the end, and like I said, it depends on the size of the incarnation. That's a provable fact throughout the show, because the action is always dependent on the actor cast for him. Superhuman strength isn't going to save Hartnell's frail ass...
I've had that as one of my wallpapers for a few years now. I think it is my wife's favorite. She definitely loves it more than when I set Scarlett Johannson's naked pics as wallpaper.
One of the old companions wrote a "tell-all" where she bitches about some of the actors, including Peter Davison and Tom Baker. Seen here, reading it... LOL!!!!
Saw the Rose ep. Fucking awesome. Ecclestion(sp?) does a great job as the Doctor. The script is funny and shows a connection to the old series while being fully accessible to new viewers. The Autons seemed like a bit of a throw-away villian so they could concentrate on the introductory material, but that's ok. They only appeared in Pertwee's era anyways. Good characterizations. Ok looking TARDIS (I would have liked something more like the '96 TV movie with the classic control panel, since it's supposed to do every damn thing under the sun), but nothing too much to complain about. Nice shots of the outside of the TARDIS and being able to see the control inside. Overall, I'm stoked about watching the rest of this series.
No official date, yet. My guess is probably sometime in late August or September. It will only be about half a season, though. Then, the Christmas special introducing the new companion. SPOILERS! Then, the rest of the season.
As an aside, a recent Radio Times poll had the Weeping Angels winning "best Doctor Who monsters of all-time" with a whopping 49.4% of the vote. Daleks fell to second with 17%. Third through fifth were The Silence, the Master, and the Vashta Nerada. Moffat creations took three of the top five spots!
Doctor, Amy, And Rory taken by the Daleks. To a sort a Planet the Daleks keep all their broken or dysfunctional Daleks on. The call it the Asylum. The regular Daleks are apparently scared to go down there to turn off the forcefield so they can destroy the planet So the need the Doctor and His companions. Add in some emotional bullshit between Rory and Amy and a Dalek that thinks its a genius human girl and you have an episode
I liked the episode. I kind of saw through the whole twist-y thing from the start, but it's still enjoyable. One the one hand, the Amy-rory as companions status quo is preserved (even the reveal that they've split up is undone within the episode)...
...but on the other hand, it introduced a pretty big change in the doctor's story, since now the doctor is no longer the nightmare of the daleks (not going to bitch about it, the story kind of justified it as the daleks getting stronger and stronger being the doctor's fault, since they're doing it out of fear)
With Oswyn, though, wasn't she supposed to be the announced new companion? Is this a swerve or are we going to meet a past version of Oswyn? Kind of makes it like the River Song situation a bit, as the doctor will already know what happens to her in the future.
I liked it as well. Not the best Matt Smith episode or even Dalek episode, but I like the fact that it's pushing further and further away from RTD's Dalek stories. No more 'holes in time' they have to keep falling through. It's also good to know that we're going to get just plain fucking evil Daleks without everything they do as some vendetta against the Doctor an attempt to rebuild the race. Wasn't happy about turning people into Daleks as the whole point of them was that Nazi purity thing they had going, but it's no deal breaker.
That chick is supposed to be back in the Christmas special. We'll see how they play that one out.
Finally, got out of my mind-numbed hangover from a day worth of beer and college football to watch this. I liked it. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether or not the Oswin character will be the same as the companion. It may just be that he'll be reminded of her and that is what makes him take the other girl on as the new companion. At least, I hope that is the case. This shit doesn't always need to be tied together. No old Cardiff families. No bitch writing a book about her granny. And, no River Song redux. Just, you know, finding some cold comfort in a face that reminds him of a spunky girl that was around on the last days he traveled with the Ponds.
I liked the episode. I kind of saw through the whole twist-y thing from the start, but it's still enjoyable. One the one hand, the Amy-rory as companions status quo is preserved (even the reveal that they've split up is undone within the episode)...
BTW, did you watch the Pond Life shorts? Last one deals with the split. All five are worth watching.
Finally, got out of my mind-numbed hangover from a day worth of beer and college football to watch this. I liked it. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether or not the Oswin character will be the same as the companion. It may just be that he'll be reminded of her and that is what makes him take the other girl on as the new companion. At least, I hope that is the case. This shit doesn't always need to be tied together. No old Cardiff families. No bitch writing a book about her granny. And, no River Song redux. Just, you know, finding some cold comfort in a face that reminds him of a spunky girl that was around on the last days he traveled with the Ponds.
Since they showed those humans with the eye stalks it's probably going to be her in that form. Totally a guess but I think it would be to hard for Moffat to pass up a dalek companion.
I enjoyed this but the Ponds were being stupid. After all they've been through it's kind of lame reasoning as to why they almost end up getting a divorce.
People get a divorce for lame reasons all the time. And Amy Pond struck me as someone who's not really fit for marriage, especially after going on adventures with the doctor. It's why I never really cared about their marriage(no matter how hard they pushed it as some kind of romance that will outlive time or someshit). To me, it was just a plot device to get her to be the Joseph for River. She was a companion first and a married woman second.
So, I just re-watched the episode. One thing I didn't think about before was the fact he went to Skarro. I don't think that was a dream world like the stuff in the prequels. But, if that is the case, visiting Skarro would only be possible if Moffat has written--at least--the stupid Time Lock out of continuity. Maybe, that means the Time Lords are back now. Just a thought.
finished most of Tennant. have revised my opinion of him. still not my favorite, but I get it now. some really good eps (mostly written by Moffat, big surprise) and some terrible ones (mostly by RTD, big surprise, too).
am now starting on first part of Smith's second season.
I enjoyed it. It shows once again DO NOT PISS OFF the The Doctor. But I felt they could of gone a little darker with that aspect than what they did. Oh and The Doctor had a few extra Companions other than the Ponds this Episode. 2 he intended to have and one he didn't
Just caught up on the series so far. The last one was a bit flat. It was more about the Ponds than anything, setting them up for their departure. Not a bad episode, but not a good one either.
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was fun.
A Town Called Mercy was a very well done episode. Nice to see them addressing the shades of grey with the Doctor. Too bad that Pro is dead, though. There's no way he wouldn't be on here posting about a Doctor Who episode with Ben Browder if he was alive.
Say Bye Bye to the Ponds. I like that it's not the type of "the universe done blown up!" send off that RTD does, but it's not as dramatic as everybody's making it out to be.
I like the bit at the end, shows that Moffat planned this from the start. The scene with little Amelia in the morning looking offscreen while the TARDIS lands is already there in 11th hour.
I didn't really get what was happening with the angels using the room as a charging station & the deal with collector dude. This may require a second viewing since I feel like I missed something early on. The Ponds leaving was ok. It's always sad when companions leave but they had a good run & it's time to move on.
They're simple plot devices to get the Doctor and companions where they need to be. That's all. Not really much in this episode outside the Ponds leaving. I expected the Statue of Liberty twist pretty much the second they revealed a non angel living statue.
I get the impression that the last angel that did the Ponds in was the same angel that River was hunting during Time of the Angels. Except she's no longer a wanted woman now that the doctor has become a lying deleter. (but she's still serving time during the byzantium event, so did she kill someone else or was time rewritten?)
The more I think about it, the more I don't like this episode. Nothing fits. The hotel idea makes no sense. Why would they keep the people they've sent back in time unless they were going to continuously send them back in time and feed off that energy? More importantly, why can't the Doctor ever see them again but River obviously can (since she gave Amy the manuscript to publish)? It's, quite frankly, contrived and beneath Moffat's ability.
Agreed. It seemed more like the story was built around Amy and Rory leaving rather than Amy and Rory leaving being an organic part of the story. All love conquers all bullshit and what have you. Hate to say it but, he really channeled RTD when writing this one.
On an aside, I also have to wonder if we are getting to the end of River Song being around. She's already done the Byzantium and been released from prison. It can't be too long until the events of Silence in the Library. Maybe, with the fall of the eleventh, we will see her receive the old sonic.
I didn't want to mention his name (especially not three times in a mirror as he might appear); but, yeah, it was a RTD move. I like seeing Rory willing to do himself in to solve the problem. It really highlights his character: quiet, overly cautious, but balls of steel when the time comes. Everything else was really just meh.
I suspect that River will be around as long as Smith and Moffat stick with the show.
Also, I'm not much of a fan of the new Weeping Angel concepts. The Statue of Liberty thing seemed to be there just so Rory could say the whole "I've always wanted to visit the Statue of Liberty and now the Statue of Liberty is visiting me." A funny Rory thing, sure. But, shoehorned in terribly. That said, I loved the concept of the Cupid/Cherub angels when they first focused on the fountain. I absolutely hated when they did the little giggle/shuffle thing. It wasn't creepy. It wasn't cool. It wasn't cute. It was stupid. Flushed away a good addition, imo.
Just watched the Christmas special. Seems Clara is being set up as some sort of a plot device, she and all of her versions throughout time are probably going to be important much in the same way the cracks were in season 6. The recurring "remember me" has to mean something, especially with Moffat.
Best part of the Christmas special, though, was Strax and the memory worm thingie.
I'm thinking she's someone(or something) that's been split across time and space, or that all of her incarnations are echoes/messages (like the cracks and the bad wolf thing) sent through time and space, with the payoff happening at the 50th anniversary.
I'm also wondering about the "friend" who brought back Strax. It was mentioned but no further details were provided, so it's probably foreshadowing for a future storyline (otherwise they could have easily explained it by saying that this Strax is from Vastra and Jenny's timeline before the battle of demons run happened).
BTW, I'm also miffed that Moffat seems to be high on the fairy tale things, where problems can be solved and enemies are defeated through love, or friendship, or sadness or hope, or because someone remembered. I would much rather things get solved because of the doctor's cunning or through some other sci-fi plot device.
I think Clara may be linked to the Great Intelligence. So, we might get a showdown in 1967 London Underground. I think Vastra was the one to bring Strax back using the same technology they tried on Clara.
I have to say that I love the new TARDIS and opening credits. I would still prefer a more 'alien' theme along the lines of the original up until they changed it to the 80's synth version.
It's the kind of awkward situation where she could have done with a Tardis to take her away.
Doctor Who star Karen Gillan was found naked in a New York hotel corridor after a night of riotous partying.
Miss Gillan, 23, who plays the Time Lord’s assistant Amy Pond, was seen ‘whimpering’ in the nude by guests at 7am before security arrived, wrapped her in a sheet and escorted her to her room.
Her appearance prompted guests to nickname her ‘Lady Godiva’.
She and co-stars including Matt Smith, who plays the Doctor, had been put up at The Ace, one of Manhattan’s trendiest hotels, during a promotional trip.
After fulfilling their duties, the cast and crew enjoyed ‘one long party’, according to fellow guests. One permanent male guest told the Daily Mail he heard someone trying to open his door at 7am.
The resident, who later identified the stranger as Miss Gillan, said: ‘I went to the peephole and looked out. I saw a man at the lift who was looking back at someone who was attempting to open my door… the next thing I saw was a woman giving this person at my door two towels before getting into the lift and leaving.
‘Then I saw this young woman, completely naked, trying to wrap two towels around her and not having much luck.
‘She then started to whimper and knock on my door. Seeing that she wasn’t getting anywhere, she lay down with the towels covering her.’
Security then arrived, noticed her room key and wrapped her up and took her back to her suite. The resident added: ‘I never saw Lady Godiva again.’
Suzanne Leonara, another resident, said: ‘This girl looked as though she hadn’t been to bed. Everyone who saw her thought she was completely zonked out.’
Whatever happened in New York failed to dull Miss Gillan’s appetite for a party. Last week she was pictured at notorious London nightclub The Box.
The U.S. trip, organised by BBC Worldwide, the Corporation’s commercial arm, took place in April.
Last night a BBC Worldwide spokesman said: ‘We’re unaware of this alleged incident.’ Miss Gillan’s spokesman declined to comment.
"naked and whimpering," seems more like the aftermath of a frat party date rape than a really awesome party. Is it possible to party so hard that your clothes disappear in a blinding flash of light?
Also, nobody bothered to check if the carpet matches the curtains on the nakkid redhead.
Apparently, the Strax thing is addressed in the episode but it was cut out and the private screeners are bound by confidentiality contracts. Still, they attest to the matter being addressed.
Doctor Revisited started sunday night as part of the countdown to the 50th in November. Pretty decent summary of Hartnell, although not as indepth as I would've liked. The episode the ran "The Aztecs" was good but pretty long. It's interesting to see older tv shows as they're frequently more like watching stage plays.
I feel that Ecclestons portrayal of The Doctor mirrored Hartnels. I could be wrong since the only original DW I saw was the Aztec episodes, but both had an alien air of superiority in their roles.
I kinda wonder if Moffat is going to have the Doctor answer to Brian about Rory and Amelia being stranded in time? He did say nothing bad would happen to them and shit did not go according to plan.
If I were him, I'd ask River to do the explaining. Maybe River can also bring Brian to where the Ponds are, since she's not bound by the same rules that prevent the TARDIS from visiting the ponds (that one, I don't get. I get that the doctor can't visit the time they were stuck in as it could lead to yadda yadda time explodey thing, but what makes River and her timetravel wrist thingie different?)
Alex Kingston update. She just debuted as Dinah on Arrow. Wasn't sure if we covered that she had signed on last month. So, there ya go. Arrow now has Captain Jack and River Song.
If you're watching the relaunch stuff, any Moffat episode. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances two parter in the first series. The Girl in the Fireplace in the second. Blink in the third. Silence in the Library/Forrest of the Dead two parter in the fourth. School Reunion in the second is good too (as well as the lead in episode for The Girl in the Fireplace). Human Nature/Family of Blood two parter in the third is real good as well.
Father's day is also good (I don't remember the exact title, the one where they visited Rose's father).
Also, the one with Ursula, Elton, and the shape changing alien. And the one with the captured Dalek. Just good stand alone stories that still provide hints to the larger picture, so that when you're ready for the bigger stuff, you can start watching the non-standalone eps (the ones that rely heavily on familarity with the time war, the doctor's past, his relationship with rose, etc) like the ones with Donna.
So was I the only one that was less than impressed with the start of the second half of the season? It was ok but I'm used to a bit more than that with Who.
I'm sure there's lots more good stuff coming. This episode is just one of a very few number that just didn't click for me. The mystery of Clara ought to be interesting. Anybody have any early guesses? I'm going to guess she's related to the Doctor somehow. Not a good guess but the whole reincarnation thing reminds me of timelords regenerating. Her being a nanny is obviously some type of clue or foreshadowing but what does it mean?
I have no clue as to who Clara is. However, this episode provided us with plenty of clues (or red herrings) as to who she is. Guess it wouldn't hurt to compile them.
-Hopes to travel like the Clara from Asylum of the Daleks -A nanny like Clara in The Snowmen -Was able to hack into the internet after being uploaded to the cloud much like she was able to hack into the Dalek web after being converted. -Favorite chapter of Amy's book, Summer Falls, is eleven. It makes her cry happy tears. (They are releasing an ebook of this on Thursday, I think.) -Skipped the ages 16 and 23 in her book, 101 Places to See. -The leaf in the book--101 Places to See--is "page one" of her life or something like that.
Anything else? Most insane theory I have so far is that she grows old and becomes Madame Kovarian, but I base that solely on the nanny stuff with no real reasoning behind it.
And, I guess there is the mystery of the "woman at the shop" who gave her the number to the TARDIS.
The obvious answer would be River Song.
This, I think, is what Moffat is doing well right now. He's good at giving you all these 'clues' to get fan curiosity going. I'm thinking that she's linked to the 'consciousness' like the snowmen and the cloud.
I would have preferred it if they tried to pass it off as paranormal occurrence at first. The start kind of looked like one of those The Ring curses, but as soon as the Shard was introduced, it got boring. I've always liked Who stories that somehow managed to mix the paranormal and sci fi elements together.
Yeah, River is the pretty obvious guess. I don't think that will stop people from speculating like crazy though.
What makes it especially frustrating--but in a fun way--is Moffat's doing so much story wise with clues/red herrings and mixing in so much real world 50th stuff into it. For example, the ages missing from her book: 16 and 23. Sixteen is the number of years between the old series and the current one. Twenty-three is the air date for the 50th. And, fuck it, throw in an eleven and you fucking have fifty. Who the fuck knows?!?
As for the upcoming episodes, I can't wait to see Gaiman's take on the Cybermen. Sounds like he is going to do the full on return of the original Mondas Cybermen from the rumors. Whatever the case, I am quite hopeful when Moffat hands Gaiman the Cybermen and says to make them scary again.
As for the episode, it was okay. I think expectations may have been too high for it. Mainly, laying the groundwork for the next seven episodes and, possibly, the 50th and Christmas specials. Also, I think Moffat might be spreading himself a little thin with Who, Sherlock, and the other stuff he has going on (is he still a part of the Tintin reworking?). Hopefully, he will clear his plate a bit and be more focused going forward.
IMO, I think Rings of Akhaten was one of the best episodes of the season. I get that people think it had a serious RTD feel to it, but I think it was also a great poke in the eye at the action hero type Doctor of which Davies was so fond. Somewhere in this thread I remember bringing up Moffat slowly pulling back from that. I think Cross did an excellent job of continuing to push that divide between eras.
This last one was the first one I really liked. The previous one wasn't so bad either as it was interesting to see more of the inside of the Tardis. This one had Vastra, Jenny, and Strax and it was fun seeing them again. I'm wondering if the whole mystery of Clara is actually getting in the way. She's pretty and it's interesting that the Tardis doesn't like her but I really don't care about her yet. BTW is the Tardis not liking her a clue? The only other time I can think of where the Tardis reacted to a companion like that is with Cap Jack. There the Tardis in a more extreme measure tried running away from him because he was impossible, always coming back to life after being death.
I remember my days of watching Doctor Who. It was the summer of 1975 I believe. I was dating a woman .. or was it a man, I forget ... anyway, I was dating a young filly, and they used to make a noise like the Tardis when they reached the peak of orgasm. I shall never forget the blue light on their head that lit up at the same time.
As for Doctor Who. Well, I don't remember much of that.
DOCTOR WHO guest star John Hurt has blown the mystery surrounding the drama’s 50th anniversary in November – revealing he will be playing THE DOCTOR himself.
John, who has filmed the 3D special, revealed that he plays “part of the Doctor” in a “kind of trinity” with Matt Smith and David Tennant.
He dropped the bombshell when speaking at an event in Norfolk. It comes after show writer Steven Moffat took strict security measures to keep the plot of the one-off movie top secret.
And TV Biz can also reveal more details. His character will be a regeneration of the Doctor which he has FORGOTTEN about.
It comes after Christopher Eccleston refused to return for the episode, despite meeting with Moffat a number of times to discuss his role.
A source explained to TV Biz: “John will play the real Ninth Doctor. Christopher Eccleston has always been thought of as the Ninth Doctor but now that John has been revealed as the Ninth Doctor, it shuffles Eccleston’s Doctor to be the Tenth Time Lord, Tennant the 11th and Smith the 12th.
“It also means the Doctor’s time is running out as he can only regenerate 12 times.”
Our source continued: “Steven loves a complex plot and there will be plenty of surprises along the way.
“The reason the Doctor has forgotten his ninth incarnation will become clear but it’s to do with the Time War and his shame over his behaviour in it.
“Tennant and Smith’s Doctors will at first refuse to accept Hurt is them — until their sonic screwdrivers confirm it and announce, ‘He’s us. He’s the ninth us’.”
Eagle-eyed fans have spotted that John Hurt’s costume bears a similarity to Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston’s — his version would have come between them.
A source said: “John was given a very familiar look that goes half way between two regenerations.” Billie Piper will also be returning as Rose Tyler, alongside Tennant. Gavin and Stacey star Joanna Page will play Queen Elizabeth I.
There are also two episodes left in the current series. Fans will see villains the Cybermen at their scariest tomorrow in an episode penned by leading sci-fi writer Neil Gaiman, set on a planet turned into an alien amusement park.
As well as the familiar stomping metal monsters, the Doctor and assistant Clara face a new slimline version of the metal horrors that can RUN.
The series’ final episode teases fans with the biggest mystery of all — the Doctor’s real name.
Moffatt said the episode will “change the course of Who forever”.
He added: “It’s full of surprises and questions that have never been answered in the history of Who, including the Doctor’s greatest secret.
“We’ll also find out what makes his new companion so impossible, and there’s a surprise that no one has got right so far.”
That was a great episode. I figure Hurt is be the Doctor that wiped out the Time Lords and attempted the genocide of the Daleks. It sucks that we have to wait until November to see new episodes. I also figured since Song used up all her regenerations to bring back the Doctor he might have gotten some of hers.
Honestly, the whole 'Companion saves the day' concept is getting a bit old right now. I don't mind them saving the day. It's just that it's always some huge fucking plot point. She can't just turn a knob or flip a switch. She's got to do something damn near magical. Claire telling Hartnell's Doctor which TARDIS to take was a bit much. It also fucks over a more interesting plot point of the TARDIS saying it chose him. I would have enjoyed the episode so much more if it wasn't for that ending.
I'm sticking with the Tardis choosing the Doctor. The Clara thing just didn't work for me. I'll miss River too. What comes next does look interesting though.
I'll admit that the 50th special is looking to be bigger than I thought. I hope that the reason this season lagged so much is because Moffat was putting all the awesome into it. At first I thought that Hurt might be the Valeyard. Playing a 'missing' regeneration sounds cool if they really make it have some punch and stick around unlike Tennant's fucking the timestream on Mars.
Dame Helen Mirren - she received the female equivalent of a knighthood in 2003 - is as much a national treasure as the queen, though a considerably less buttoned-up one.
She has even been suggested as the next star of "Doctor Who," the beloved BBC sci-fi series about a space-hopping, time-traveling alien hero. Eleven actors have played the role since the show began in 1963, and a 12th is to be announced soon.
That has sparked intense speculation among the show's millions of fans, with some wondering whether the role might go to a woman for the first time. One bookmaker is offering 25-1 odds on it being Mirren.
"Oh, please - I would put much longer odds on it than that," she scoffed.
"But I think it's absolutely time for a female Doctor Who. I'm so sick of that man with his girl sidekick. I could name at least 10 wonderful British actresses who would absolutely kill in that role."
SAN DIEGO (AP) — The question of whom the next Doctor Who is remains a mystery, for now.
But fans of Matt Smith and his predecessor will be ecstatic once official footage of the 50th anniversary special airs because both doctors are in it, sharing many scenes, lines and scenery, too.
Steve Moffat, Doctor Who's showrunner, touted the footage — so far shown only Sunday at Comic-Con International — but asked the crowd to not share it on social media or else "there will be no more Comic-Con exclusives from 'Doctor Who' or 'Sherlock.'"
He said that recordings of the "Sherlock" preview were posted onto Tumblr with minutes of airing.
"Can you promise, as 6,000 of my Comic-Con friends, to do this?" he asked before the lights dimmed ahead of the preview. The special is due in November.
The crowd in Hall H was not disappointed in what it saw from the BBC America show.
It boasted lots of scenes between Smith, whose tenure as the Doctor ends in the special, and his predecessor David Tennant. Also featured was Billie Piper, who played Rose Tyler, the companion to Tennant's 10th doctor and, before that, Chris Ecclestone's ninth doctor.
There we scant details as to the plot, but the crowd was rapturous.
"There are lots of things that we have been setting for the 50th in Matt's final episode," Moffat said. Asked by a fan if Capt. Jack Harkness, who was played by John Barrowman, would return Moffat demurred.
"Well, you can't put everybody in the 50th!" he said, drawing laughs.
"If we have a great idea for Capt. Jack, he will come back," Moffat said.
When asked by moderator Craig Ferguson whether Smith's replacement had been selected, Moffat said, "We haven't done that yet."
Moffat noted that finding the right actor would be hard, paying respect to Smith's work in the role and the odd nature of the character, too.
"He's the same man. Each actor that plays it comes with a different emotional background," Moffat said of the regenerating Time Lord whose incarnations since the show began in 1963 have counted 11 actors. "There is only one doctor. He has lots of different faces."
For Smith, the panel was a chance to reminisce and bask in adulation from a crowd that has made his doctor their own.
"It changed everything: My life, my family's life," he recalled of the role. "I'm proud and grateful to be part of it. ... Also, because I am on the way out, I just wanted to say 'Thank you, for all your support."
Holy Crap, McGann! They finally tied this loose end. The 8th doctor's regeneration (into the badass that ended the Time War. The credits refer to it as the "war doctor.")
Sorry Lothar, your boyfriend Chang Lee isn't in it.
So...I finally started watching this from the beginning. I used to watch doctor who with my dad growing up. Tom Baker was my doctor. Me and the mrs have really enjoyed the current show. We're all the way caught up and got our tickets for the 3d showing of "day of the doctor" in sf. Looking forward to it.
I'm sticking with the Tardis choosing the Doctor. The Clara thing just didn't work for me. I'll miss River too. What comes next does look interesting though.
Clara is ridiculously hot. Regrettably she wears too many clothes. Whatever happened to the days of the Doctor being accompanied by a fur-clad bikini model?
It is a shame that Eggleston wouldn't participate in this, as I liked his slightly thuggish rendition of the Doctor. It would have been an interesting contrast to the two newer, nerdier versions.
I'm hoping Eccleston was just taking everyone for a spin. McGann initially denied having anything to do with the 50th, and publicly stated that he wasn't asked and then he goes and does the prologue.
But then again, McGann is still pretty much connected to Who due to the audio stuff, while Eccleston didn't exactly part on good terms.
Yeah, BBC threw Eccleston under the bus. He stayed pretty cool about the whole deal and didn't talk them down in the press; so as much as I would have loved for him to be in the special, I completely understand why he won't return.
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They did a good job for the special special. The Time War never really made sense to me though. I thought it had always been the case of the Doctor freezing the whole thing and time locking it forever. Was it always the case of Galifrey being blown up?
It's always been a case of the doctor trapping the entire war in a time lock. One of the key aspects in Moffat's run is that the doctor keeps changing things but on the surface level, it remains the same (e.g. he died on lake silencio as far as anyone is concerned, and he was there, but only inside the tesselecta-something)
I think right now things are status quo at the surface level:
1. people assume that the daleks and the timelords were both wiped out by the doctor 2. the doctors (post-John Hurt and pre-Smith) are still guilty over wiping out the timelords 3. Surviving daleks believe that the doctor wiped them and the timelords out at the same time with some kind of weapon (instead of their crossfire)
...even though the timelords are perfectly fine somewhere out there.
What I don't get about the whole timelock thing is why the doctor is so guilty and why it's referred to as a genocide or a massacre of an entire civilization, even though the series (Tennant's last special and the one where Jack Harkness trapped Torchwood inside one) has already shown what happens inside a timelock and it doesn't look that bad, especially since there's an entire planet inside the timelock.
I think it's pretty much a standalone story if you're already familiar with the franchise. But there's a fuckton of references that you'll miss if you're not up to date.
Best bet is to just watch it with low expectations, then read recaps or reviews afterwards just to find out the things you missed.
Is anyone else disappointed that they didn't continue from the end of the last episode? How did they get out of the Doctors timeline thingy? Also, John Hurt seemed less bad ass and more gtandpa-ish than i liked.
Hurt's Doctor came off as very William Hartnell. I think the surprise is that though Smith's and Tennant's regenerations hate him so much for what he did; in the end he's still really just the Doctor.
Its meant to be the same person. But really, it isn't. Its like each incarnation is a facet of the same imcomprehensible entity. Rather that say that is like your foot telling off your elbow, I kind of think the Doctor is more of a hive mind.
It's always been a case of the doctor trapping the entire war in a time lock. One of the key aspects in Moffat's run is that the doctor keeps changing things but on the surface level, it remains the same (e.g. he died on lake silencio as far as anyone is concerned, and he was there, but only inside the tesselecta-something)
I think right now things are status quo at the surface level:
1. people assume that the daleks and the timelords were both wiped out by the doctor 2. the doctors (post-John Hurt and pre-Smith) are still guilty over wiping out the timelords 3. Surviving daleks believe that the doctor wiped them and the timelords out at the same time with some kind of weapon (instead of their crossfire)
...even though the timelords are perfectly fine somewhere out there.
What I don't get about the whole timelock thing is why the doctor is so guilty and why it's referred to as a genocide or a massacre of an entire civilization, even though the series (Tennant's last special and the one where Jack Harkness trapped Torchwood inside one) has already shown what happens inside a timelock and it doesn't look that bad, especially since there's an entire planet inside the timelock.
That's how I thought it was mostly but this special made it sound like some type of destructive bomb to me. A couple of times there were references to burning and counting the children.
I think the 50th ties into the End of Time. Maybe it did all burn, but this changed it. Therefore instead of burning the timelock is in place to open in The End Of Time.
The missus enjoyed it despite not being updated on Who (her only background came from watching Blink and Smith's first season) and she still enjoyed the 50th. Apparently, the dialogue did a good job of filling her in (or giving her an idea) on most of the references that she needs to get, like the doctor killing the daleks and the timelords.
Not knowing who Rose Tyler is didn't lessen her enjoyment, and I didn't bother explaining who Tom Baker is (and what "Who" "Nose." is making fun of), though she did get that we're supposed to wonder whether the Curator was the doctor himself or it's just the show being meta.
I'm sticking with the Tardis choosing the Doctor. The Clara thing just didn't work for me. I'll miss River too. What comes next does look interesting though.
Clara is ridiculously hot. Regrettably she wears too many clothes. Whatever happened to the days of the Doctor being accompanied by a fur-clad bikini model?
Just watched Time of the Doctor. I don't know why there's a lot of people complaining about it. It's a nice story. And it managed to tie up all the loose ends from Moffat's run (even Trenzalore) and give the doctor's story a new lease on life. Smith's old-man make up could have been better, but it gets the job done.
It has Christmas-y parts and sad parts all over, and one part got me thinking, is Tasha Lem River Song? The bit about fighting the psychopath made me wonder.
It's also nice to see Amy Pond again, even as an illusion (although that part made Clara irrelevant for the scene. It's kind of dick move on the doctor's part to opine for his old companion when the new one is standing right there.)
I'm liking Capaldi so far, based on that small scene he's had. And I'm hoping that him being old would at least prevent future romance angles with companions. The part about his kidney has a little bit of Tennant in it.
I dont watch Who much, but watched this and the last ones and I have to say this one was pretty "meh". The last one wasnt the greatest either, but it was a lot more enjoyable for me being that I liked Tennant. My biggest issue with Smiths run wasnt that I disliked him or Pond, in fact I really liked them, it was that I never liked the writing beyond a few episodes here and there. This tie up episode (that proved I was right about the regenerations) felt like such a cop out, especially the Time Lords decision at the end.
There were some nice touches though, such as the hologram that only Clara could see, that genuinely made me laugh. But overall it felt somewhat forced and cheesey even for Who.
I wonder why he didn't know how to fly the tardis or if he was just a little goofed up from the regeneration. Maybe the new lives the Time Lords gave him started him over with no memories of his past lives.
I do not understand why anyone would feel compelled to watch this show anymore.
Perhaps I could understand the earlier appeal of the show, but every time I randomly came across the show over the past couple of years, the stories just keep on repeating the same old ambiguous formula of making up a bunch of gibberish names for races, places, and time periods (see also: Trenzalore), and then puffing up their importance with a temporal/galactic/universal/reality destabilizing conflict or event that the doctor--in all of his irreverent "charm"--has to see through with a sense of open-minded, well-rounded optimism and at least one female sidekick.
The 50th managed to give me everything I wanted to see, most of which was Tom Baker. aside from that, all the Doctors came together (even though it was a cheat, but really how else could you do it these days?), McGann came back and did his regeneration, we saw the mystery of the often speculated about hidden regeneration in the War Doctor and his regeneration, plus a brief glimpse of Capaldi. very well done.
had less expectations for the Christmas episode, but yeah, it was a bit underwhelming by comparison. I consider it part of a "trilogy" of sorts, with Name, Day, and Time all being different chapters in this particular story. but it wasn't quite as epic as I was hoping for.
I'm left with two questions: is Tasha Lem a version of River Song? there are lots of hints that she could be, but it could just be a red herring. and, why does the Doctor age more in certain circumstances (the Time War, Trenzalore) than in others? it must be tied in with his regeneration energy in some way.
there are now three Doctors who've undergone regeneration from natural causes, old age: Hartnell, Hurt, and Smith. both Hurt and Smith's stories had homages to Hartnell.
speaking of, nobody watched An Adventure in Time and Space?
Really? I thought the 50th was very underwhelming compared to the Christmas special. I figure the Doctors aging was just a natural progression of his life. How long do Time Lords live if they age naturally? I figure he probably spent a century or so defending Christmas so I was okay with his getting old. I just wish the next series was coming before next fall.
Really? I thought the 50th was very underwhelming compared to the Christmas special. I figure the Doctors aging was just a natural progression of his life. How long do Time Lords live if they age naturally? I figure he probably spent a century or so defending Christmas so I was okay with his getting old. I just wish the next series was coming before next fall.
A century? He said he waited 300 years for the Tardis to return.
He spent 300 years waiting for the Tardis to return the first time (when Clara was hanging on to the key and the Tardis dragged her along) BUT the doctor tricked her again and he spent some more time defending Christmas and aging along the way until Tasha Lem went back to fetch Clara.
I'm not sure he spent a century, but he's got to have spent way more than 300 years in Trenzalore.
Really? I thought the 50th was very underwhelming compared to the Christmas special.
yep. the 50th was pretty epic from where I sat. I'm not saying it was perfect or had no flaws, but I got what I wanted from it. (like I said earlier, MOST of what I wanted was a Tom Baker appearance. :D )
I liken it to a good meal consisting of my favorite foods. satisfied my hunger and tasted great while doing it. the Christmas ep. was like a desert that was appealing, but wasn't really needed after. it was good, but not great.
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I figure the Doctors aging was just a natural progression of his life. How long do Time Lords live if they age naturally? I figure he probably spent a century or so defending Christmas so I was okay with his getting old. I just wish the next series was coming before next fall.
but see, they don't always age naturally. they physically age at different rates. how many times have we seen them mention the different ages they are with no signs of physical aging? during the whole Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon storyline, Smith's Doctor appears at two different ages about two hundred years apart with no signs of physical aging. Whereas, on Trenzalore, he ages tremendously over a span of time that we don't know the full range of. He ages here, as Hurt's War Doctor did during the Time War, but doesn't seem to age at other times. This is my point. What causes the differing rate of aging?
I'm liking Capaldi so far, based on that small scene he's had. And I'm hoping that him being old would at least prevent future romance angles with companions.
Yes, it'll be funny to see the reaction of all the Who girls who watch it for the good looking Doctor and not the character. Capaldi is a Hartnell fan, so here's hoping that his Doctor uses that grumpiness.
speaking of, nobody watched An Adventure in Time and Space?
Thought it was pretty good. Not great, but really good. Gatiss wanted to tell everyone's story, it seemed. It would have helped if he had just concentrated on one person, say Hartnell, instead of dividing up the time between Hartnell and Lambert. I do like Hartnell turning off the TARDIS console as he left.
Maybe it has to do with their interaction with the time vortex or the TARDIS. As soon as the doctor stopped traveling and stayed in one place he started aging.
Wasn't Hartnell's Doctor supposed to be about 500 years old? If so, that put's Smith's Doctor at about the same age. Maybe that's it. Or maybe it's just a very loose continuity of rules regarding the Time Lords.
I like Smith's run for the simple fact that Moffat was clearly making fun of and correcting RTD bullshit. Guess what,RTD, not all Time Lords are dicks. Maybe they do deserve to come back. Looks like Moff may be setting that up as the overarching story for the new Doctor.
I'm liking Capaldi so far, based on that small scene he's had. And I'm hoping that him being old would at least prevent future romance angles with companions.
Yes, it'll be funny to see the reaction of all the Who girls who watch it for the good looking Doctor and not the character. Capaldi is a Hartnell fan, so here's hoping that his Doctor uses that grumpiness.
This week, Peter Capaldi‘s interview with Doctor Who magazine has dominated all conversations about the future of the show. He has revealed that there’s a big shift on the way, and that the Doctor will no longer be considered to be boyfriend material, partly because of the clear, physical age difference between him and Clara, and partly because his Doctor will be no one’s idea of a nice, safe romantic traveling companion.
He explained: ”The last two Doctors have been ‘your boyfriend’ Doctors. It was time for the show to flip around. The new version of the show is quite old now.
“We’re going to give Clara a Doctor who is a much older, fiercer, madder, less reliable Doctor who leads her a merry dance.”
I'm liking Capaldi's Doctor so far. The stories, on the other hand, haven't been all that great. Good, but not great. The last one could have been great, but I think the bullshit with making Clara so important to making the Doctor the Doctor is something that I can't get behind. I don't want anymore companions who are as important or more important than the Doctor. The show is called 'Doctor Who'. Not 'People Who Travel with The Doctor'.
I'm with thedoctor. They're focusing way too much on companions lately.
Also, I'm willing to give it a chance, but I'm not sold on the Danny Pink character. That bit about a single tear in his eye after being reminded of killing someone was ridiculous.
Now Wondy hates him without having ever seen an episode.
I like the over arching theme to this season about the definition of a hero. The Dalek episode was very classic Who. The Robin Hood episode was good until the end. The golden arrow bit was too gay even for a kids show. I'm willing to sit through this series as Coleman is leaving at the end (or so the rumors go). I'm just hoping that Moffat doesn't do the same shit with the next companion.
Capaldi's Doctor is a refreshing change. He's giving a great deadpan reading of lines that Smith or Tennant would recite with a flourish or whimsical excitement. I like that he's a bit sneaky and willing to put others in danger to pursue his plans.
the thing in Rupert Pink's bed bugs me. It doesn't fit in with the resolution that the doctor's obsession with the perfect stealth creatures was just Clara's fault. The thing didn't look like a human (it was blurred but it looked ugly) and it disappeared in a flash of blue light.
Since it's Moffat's episode I'm betting he's planting stuff for later again, like what he did in Flesh and Stone (e.g. the doctor losing his coat mid-scene, etc.)
the thing in Rupert Pink's bed bugs me. It doesn't fit in with the resolution that the doctor's obsession with the perfect stealth creatures was just Clara's fault. The thing didn't look like a human (it was blurred but it looked ugly) and it disappeared in a flash of blue light.
Since it's Moffat's episode I'm betting he's planting stuff for later again, like what he did in Flesh and Stone (e.g. the doctor losing his coat mid-scene, etc.)
I'm hoping there's more to it as well. Just saying that it could have been a kid fucking with them isn't enough. Nor does it explain the message on the chalk board.
The Cybermen reveal would have worked better if they didn't show the Cybermen all over the teasers and preview clips. It's not like they needed to show the cybermen to drum up hype for the finale.
When they showed the skeletons people already knew those were cybermen. And the thing with the dark water not showing non organic matter was dead giveaway.
Missy's identity was already guessed at by many fans, but it's still a satisfying reveal. I hope he/she doesn't get killed in the finale. It would be nice to have one of the doctor's most iconic villains running around.
Never got into this last Doctor but this current season has been pretty good. Kind of wondering if the current companion is going to wind up being the Master's kid? Anybody here still watching?
I didn't really care for the last Doctor so I'm ready for a new one. Maybe that had more to do with Moffat. Since both have left I'm ready for some new Who. Hopefully it will be good.
In my area, circa 1981-1983, they would play an hour of Tom Baker Doctor Who episodes right before the 6PM McNeil-Lehrer News Hour on PBS. So while in college, I could get in my fantasy and news in two back to back hours.
I've tried watching the subsequent actors as Doctor Who, most recently on BBC America, the only place I know that plays the series at this point, and while they are undeniably bigger budget and more sophisticated from an s-f perspective, I just can't get into it for the long haul like the 70's/80's run. I love the Baker-era cool-looking bug-eyed aliens from that period, and the opening/closing theme song and visuals.
I started watching some of the first season from the 60’s and wow. For a kids show with a tiny budget it’s pretty impressive. And the Doctor is all about himself and his granddaughter Susan. Very different from the Doctors I’ve seen before although I can now see how some of them drew inspiration from the original. The companions are more important players to the point where the Doctor isn’t the star of the show but merely part of the ensemble. Susan being the exception. She does a lot of screaming and that’s to bad as she seemed to have so much potential. She does get to do a couple of things but screaming seems to be the main thing. Different story with Barbara and Ian. They are just as likely to save the day than the Doctor. In these early stories they were the heroes trying to get the Doctor to do the right thing. He’s more curious than idealistic. Nice to discover that these early episodes are so good.
Pluto TV is running all the classic Doctor Who seasons btw. I’ve been watching some but it’s running “live” so no pausing so I’ve caught episodes here and there but never a full story. I’m seeing enough though where I’m going to have to pick up some of the dvds
As I recall, the DR WHO show has been on British television almost continuously since the late 1950's.
I first became aware of it in the mid 1970's in the Tom Baker era. I was given a hardcover book growing up, MONSTERS WHO'S WHO, that was an A to Z dictionary of famous monsters, from Greek mythology, to the classic Hollywood movie monsters to Star Trek aliens to Marvel comics characters. And it included one or several photos of 1950's Dr WHO episode characters, I think the Daleks and maybe others. That was the first I became aware that the show had a long history extending way back before the Tom Baker episodes that I thought it began with.
Even in the Tom Baker era, there's a mix of sometimes childish and low-budget elements, but also some really cool monsters and complex plots and concepts. I'd love to see some of those early episodes.
It saddens me that about 3 years ago both SYFY and BBCAmerica networks were running marathons of Star Trek the original series episodes, but both stopped pretty abruptly, indicating to me that the broadcast episodes weren't being viewed by many. I suspect that as long as TOS episodes have been available on series DVD sets (I myself have a boxed set of all 3 seasons, but would still watch them when played on TV live) that the long availability on DVD has killed the market for watching them live for the most part. Those who love the original show have mostly purchased the series already.
Plus the efforts of the producers of subsequent Star Trek movies and series to discourage and view with contempt the original series, have all contributed to a loss of interest in the original series, at least enough of a drop to make broadcasting the original episodes no longer sustainable.
Maybe the only profitable way to run the original series at this point is through on-demand subscriber video services like Netflix, Hulu and so forth.
He got a lot of flak during his time, but his era was what got me into Who, so I don't know what the problem is. It's much better than Chibnall's era. New fans always deflect any criticism of Chibnall's era as just misogynists not wanting a woman as the doctor, but I was actually excited for the Jodie Whittaker's casting. I thought having a female doctor would open up new story possibilities and hopefully keep us away from companions that treat the doctor as a boyfriend, but the "fam" was just too stupid and whoever was showrunning didn't give Jodie good stories to work on. Maybe RT Davies will give us a good run again.
And call her doctor Who the whole time. Oh,right there, Doctor Who! Oh yeah,Doctor Who, do that Doctor Who! Faster,Doctor Who! Can I finish in your mouth,Doctor Who?!
There were aspects of the RTD era (Jesus Doctor and companion crushes) that grated on me, but his was an enjoyable run overall. I checked out on Chibnall-Whitaker pretty quickly because they seemed to run with the shit storytelling that was the back end of the Moffat-Capaldi era. Would love a fairly hard reboot after some of the toy breaking done by Moffat and Chibnall.
But, yeah, I'm twisting my own nipple over this new series. Doctor Who got me into science fiction when I was only six (1978). A contemporary series where the budget is good and the stories are updated....can't wait! 
Though I still can't watch some of the older Who
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(That's Peri on the left....still hot)
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Colin!! 
What, "Don't do drugs or you'll cause an infinite traffic jam"? 
I'm getting every fucking ONE of those!! 
one hour, three minutes. . .
