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Posted By: the G-man How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 1:46 AM
The New Radicals: How Liberal Campuses Harass Conservatives

    BERKELEY, California - The latest elections show a country divided half and half between red and blue, but you would not know it to look at today's public universities. They have become a haven for 1960s-style radicals. So when University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill said the Americans killed on 9-11 deserved it, his words did not seem all that shocking on many campuses.

    Churchhill is not the only radical Left professor who spews anti-American statements on campus these days. In fact, Dan Flynn says nearly every public university in the U.S. is dominated by the Left and an overwhelming number of liberals on the faculties. Flynn keeps an eye on such professors through the Conservative Leadership Institute and wrote about them in his book, "Intellectual Morons."

    A new study Flynn is just releasing shows how lopsidedly they donated cash to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). He remarked, "At Harvard, for instance, for every 32 dollars that went to John Kerry, one went to George W. Bush. At MIT just down the road, it was 43 to one. At Princeton, it was about 300 dollars for Kerry for every one dollar to Bush."

    Almost half of the students recently surveyed for the American Council of Trustees and Alumni at the nation's top 50 universities say their professors, most of them Left-leaning, comment often on politics in their classrooms, even if the course they are teaching has nothing to do with politics.

    Bucknell University's Allison Kasic told us about a chemistry class held the day after the election.

    Kasic said, "Basically, half the class of an hour-and-a-half class was just spent complaining about the election and saying how dumb the country is. And how does that help you learn anything about chemistry?"

    In the same survey, nearly a third of students said they feel they have to agree with their professors' political or social views in order to get a good grade.

    ACTA (Association of College Trustees and Alumni) President Anne Neal said, "We were really quite shocked that there was such a great degree of evidence of political pressure in the classroom."

    Amaury Gallais, Vanessa Wiseman and Andrea Irvin all hold offices in Berkeley’s Club of the College Republicans, and all have seen the intimidation and prejudice against all things conservative at their famously radical university.

    Irvin said, "If the professor has a Leftist opinion in class, students feel very fearful of making a comment to counter that."

    At Foothill College, south of San Francisco, one conservative Kuwaiti student on a visa was ordered to get a mental checkup because of his pro-American views.

    Denis Hiller had a friend who dared write a paper defending capitalism. "The professor gave him an F. On the paper, he wrote a long essay of his own saying explaining why socialism is better. My friend handed in a paper using basically the teacher's talking points, toeing the party line, and got an A."

    Flynn said, "There's a college in Florida that has banned a student group from showing 'The Passion of the Christ' because ostensibly it's R-rated. Now the interesting thing about that is very recently before that, there was an X-rated play about Jesus Christ that was staged on the campus, but they had no problem with that."

    ....whole runs of a conservative campus newspaper have been stolen.

    "Any flyer that promoted anything pro-American, pro-Israel, anything that challenged the dogma of this campus, it would be taken down."

    ...."In the 2000 election, I wanted to register, and they asked what my party affiliation was. I said, 'Republican.' They said, 'We don't register Republicans here.'"

    Former Leftist-radical-turned-conservative firebrand David Horowitz is dedicated to trying to get states and their universities to end all these political shenanigans on-campus and return to offering an objective education.

    Horowitz said, "A law professor opened his class by saying, 'You all know what the R in Republican stands for? It stands for Racist.' A student objected, and the professor slapped the student down, saying 'We have too many Nazis like you on the campus.'"


    Stanford's Bob Sensenbrenner heads up his chapter of College Republicans.

    Sensenbrenner remarked, "I'm always embattled here. We have the administrators approving class, the Stanford Democrats using classrooms to call voters for John Kerry, but if I'm trying to hold a meeting, I get hassled by Meeting Services and get told that I have to leave till they can go back and check their records."

    Flynn said, "When it is almost unanimous for one candidate, it suggests there's something really, really wrong with higher education."

    Yaron stated, "I know of a professor that assigned a paper for students to describe how President Bush is a war criminal."

    Neal said, "If this had been a case of sexual harassment, I dare say that it would have prompted a great deal of attention. It should equally draw attention now, because clearly it's almost a political harassment in the classroom where they're not being allowed to hear both sides of the issue."

    Diversity is all the rage on campus these days -- racial, sexual, cultural diversity -- but maybe in the area where it matters the most, diversity of thought, well, there seems to be less and less tolerance for that.
Posted By: rex Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 2:01 AM
Fucking commies.
During my college years I found it to be wise to not argue with the conservative Prof. or TA that I had. That's life, you learn to buy your own cheese to go with the whine
Posted By: Animalman Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 2:07 AM
Sorry, but having lived in Texas, gone to Texas schools, and dealt with Texas students and professors my entire life, I think the stereotype that all universities are liberal is complete bullshit, as is this ridiculous persecution complex that we've all developed just so we can attack opposing political parties.

And the article lost all credibility as soon as I saw where it came from.
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Fucking commies.






What bugs me is that no one thinks any of this anti-Conservative bent is any fault of the Conservatives.
Posted By: rex Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 2:36 AM
I also hate the extreme anti-left groups on campuses.
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Fucking commies.






What bugs me is that no one thinks any of this anti-Conservative bent is any fault of the Conservatives.




I think we're supposed to be concerned about the kids having to put up with somebody else's veiwpoint before they go to work for their dad's company.
You know, students have worried for decadesa about having to "match" their professors opinions on papers and exams in order to pass the course. This is really nothing new.

If it's intensified in recent times, let's please be sure will give equal face time to the possibility of any fault for this resting with the Conservative side before we simply go blaming the Commie pinko fag liberal America-hating professors.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 3:16 AM
The problem with arguing that "conservative profs will do it too" is that there are very, very, few conservative professors out there:

    This November, three academics--Daniel Klein (an economist at Santa Clara University), Andrew Western (a student at the same institution), and Charlotta Stern (a professor at Stockholm University)--published two carefully constructed academic studies of party registration and ideology among academics at a range of institutions.

    The full results, downloadable at NAS.org, will eventually be published in Academic Questions, the journal of the National Association of Scholars.

    "The data indicate that the one-party character of academia is quite uniform across campus," summarize Klein and Western.

    The mono-mindedness on campus is actually deeper than even these data indicate, Klein and Western suggest, and likely to deteriorate in the future. Why? Because the few Republicans who do exist on campus are mostly older faculty. Among full professors at Berkeley and Stanford, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 7:1. But among younger untenured assistant and associate profes-sors it's a ridiculous 31:1. Among the rising generation of professors, in other words, Republicans are almost extinct.

    This, Klein and Western comment, "strongly suggests the problem has gotten worse over the past decades, and suggests that selection mechanisms have been working in ways that eliminate Republicans.... The situation will get worse before it gets better, because the full professors, where Republicans are to be found, are the ones who will exit the population soonest."

    College campuses today, the authors conclude forcefully, are way out of whack politically. The dominant orthodoxy "amounts to a one-party system. That is no longer a matter of conjecture. It is established fact."
in today's world, no matter what view/race/gender/etc a person is, if someone isn't doing well its easier to cry discrimination. which sadly takes away from the people who are really facing discrimination.
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The problem with arguing that "conservative profs will do it too" is that there are very, very, few conservative professors out there




This is true. My friend's a Ph. D. molecular geneticist and he's joining the faculty at my alma mater, Miami University here in Ohio. And he discovered during his interview process last autumn that he will be the ONLY Republican professor on the faculty in his department. So he jokingly asked one of them if the department would allow for "diversity" by hiring him LOL.

But, back to G-Man's post...what are we to take from in that there are fewer Conservative professors? Professors historically tend to be liberal. Again, this is nothing new.

If faculties are full of Liberal professors and yet there are more and more Conservative students...I respond...tough shit. I thought part of going out into the "real world" means learning to adapt. So, Conservative students, adapt. Or don't. But stop fucking whining about it. If you have a Conservative argument to make, then make it in a scholarly fashion or don't. But don't whine that the Big Bad Old Liberal Professor doesn't like me and won't pass me because I'm a Conservative.

Go to trade school.
Here's my take as a former student (and future grad student, if I'm accepted).

As a student, I hated being indoctrinated, and I hated professors who had a "my way or the highway" attitude when it came to anything subjective (and I was never one to hesistate to challenge a professor's assertions openly, although I was usually polite about it). Actually, I resent anyone doing that to me. Feel free to tell me what to think about, but not what to think. I'm all for hearing ideas that challenge my own, but don't try and tell me "I'm right and you're wrong" if we disagree on anything other than getting solid facts straight.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 3:47 AM
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Jim Jackson said:Professors historically tend to be liberal. Again, this is nothing new.




Actually, I believe it didn't start to this point until the 1960s, when many people stayed in academia to avoid the draft.

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If faculties are full of Liberal professors and yet there are more and more Conservative students...I respond...tough shit. I thought part of going out into the "real world" means learning to adapt. So, Conservative students, adapt. Or don't. But stop fucking whining about it. If you have a Conservative argument to make, then make it in a scholarly fashion or don't. But don't whine that the Big Bad Old Liberal Professor doesn't like me and won't pass me because I'm a Conservative.




So...discrimination of thought and intellectual stagnation is A-OK as long as the "censors" are liberals?
I will still assert that are very, very few professors in the United States who present an approach bent on indoctrinating students, compelling them how to think.

If you present an argument counter to the professor's and defend and support it scholarly, much more often than not you will do fine. If your approach is laden with nothing but emotion and sloppy thinking, then you'll get the put down you deserve.
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So...discrimination of thought and intellectual stagnation is A-OK as long as the "censors" are liberals?




Would you like some type of quota system set up? Should it be an interview question? Not quite sure what your asking for G-man.
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Jim Jackson said:Professors historically tend to be liberal. Again, this is nothing new.




Actually, I believe it didn't start to this point until the 1960s, when many people stayed in academia to avoid the draft.





I'm sorry, but that's wrong.

Many professors were harrassed during the 1950s under the McCarthy ideology and Red Scare that ran rampant and paranoid in the United States. Edward Tolman, psychologist at California, was terminated for refusing to sign a Loyalty Oath. He was later reinstated.

James J. Gibson, psychologist at Cornell, after the war, lost much of the military funding he enjoyed during his service in World War II because he supported the Teachers' Union and because he was a Liberal.
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So...discrimination of thought and intellectual stagnation is A-OK as long as the "censors" are liberals?




Of course not. But I maintain that perahps it's not as bad as you're making it out to be.

Colleges and univserities have historically been Liberal institutions.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 4:02 AM
My previous statement was unclear. I apologize.

It was not my intent to imply they were not liberal. I was trying to explain that, while they may have been historically liberal, it was not as extreme or lopsided as it has been since the 1960s.
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College campuses today, the authors conclude forcefully, are way out of whack politically. The dominant orthodoxy "amounts to a one-party system. That is no longer a matter of conjecture. It is established fact."





So, G-Man, what do you suggest? Firing Liberal professors because they're Liberal? Or as was suggested, some kind of quota system?
Just a thought: how many conservatives actually want to be college professors? Is the liberal/conservative professor ratio lopsided because universities aren't inclined to hire conservatives (and I've had a couple conservative professors), or because conservatives aren't as interested in becoming college professors as liberals are?

Just a queation that popped into my mind, because I've head quite a few conservatives show disdain for colleges and universities.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 4:08 AM
The first thing I would suggest as a whole is a real acknowledgement of the problem so that we, as a society, can discuss solutions.


In the short term, I think professors who engage in the type of behaviors described above should be fired, tenure or no tenure.
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The first thing I would suggest as a whole is a real acknowledgement of the problem so that we, as a society, can discuss solutions.




What's the problem? That there are too many Liberal professors? Or that there's some concern that Liberal professors don't tolerate dissenting points of view?


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In the short term, I think professors who engage in the type of behaviors described above should be fired, tenure or no tenure.




Why don't we go after the professors who are just piss-poor teachers first? That's probably a bigger problem with a more severe impact.

I think DK's right...most Conservatives don't want to be college profs. It's a historically Liberal environment and one that's not overwhelmingly lucrative except for the Sciences and Engineering.
Posted By: Animalman Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 4:45 AM
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Among full professors at Berkeley and Stanford, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 7:1. But among younger untenured assistant and associate profes-sors it's a ridiculous 31:1. Among the rising generation of professors, in other words, Republicans are almost extinct.




Well, firstly, this is taken from Berkeley and Stanford.

Secondly, while I don't have any numbers to back this theory up, I think that's probably pretty typical of those universities, going back decades. The reason I think they lessen among full professors is that, generally, younger people are more liberal, but as they get older, their opinions are no longer considered liberal. A lot of the conservative ideas now wouldn't have been nearly as conservative in years past.

Thirdly, the fact that those numbers are referred to as a "problem" is unfair, I think. As Jim said, it should only be a "problem" if it was more common for liberal professors to be against opposing viewpoints than conservative ones. It shouldn't matter what political party they support. Just as it shouldn't matter what race, gender, creed or sexual orientation they are.

I agree that those who commonly exhibit a high level of favoritism should be disciplined, and in some cases, fired.

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The dominant orthodoxy "amounts to a one-party system. That is no longer a matter of conjecture. It is established fact.




Perhaps for those colleges.
Posted By: PaulWellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 3:31 PM
Am I the only person who fails to understand why conservatives see liberal majorities in Universities as vindication of their allegations of some anti-conservative bias? After all, all this show is that some of the best-educated, most-informed people America overwhelmingly reject the GOP. Why is this seen as an indictment of academia, rather than as an indictment of the Republican Party?

All I'm reading here in that article and in some of the posts is that the only reason faculties lean so far to the left is that deans, administrators and entire university cultures systematically discriminate against conservatives.

I don't, however, see much evidence outside the article to back this up. Mostly, the assumption here is that the leftward tilt is prima facie evidence of anti-conservative discrimination. Yet when liberals hold up minority underrepresentation at some institutions as proof of discrimination, conservatives are justifiably skeptical.
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Am I the only person who fails to understand why conservatives see liberal majorities in Universities as vindication of their allegations of some anti-conservative bias? After all, all this show is that some of the best-educated, most-informed people America overwhelmingly reject the GOP. Why is this seen as an indictment of academia, rather than as an indictment of the Republican Party?





Well, consider who posted the story in the first place. G-Man's undeniably a nice guy, a good poster, and by all indications, a good guy. But he's Conservative. So naturally, G-Man will go for things that support the Conservative. IMHO, it's natural for him to view this as an indictment of academia rather than of the Conservative Party. And, as I've discovered, the majority of posters in this forum are of a more Conservative poltiical stance.

Now, in no way do I support a Liberal prof failing a Conservative student on an assignment in which the student completely and scholarly supported his thesis. That's bad pedagogy and should be brought to the University's attention.

I also do not feel it's a problem that Universities in general are havens for Liberalism. As I've said, this has LONG been the case. I think it's also the general case that educated people (people with advanced degrees) tend to be Liberal. And Universities are full of educated people LOL.
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I don't, however, see much evidence outside the article to back this up. Mostly, the assumption here is that the leftward tilt is prima facie evidence of anti-conservative discrimination.




What I would want to see, to support the idea that there is Conservative discrimination in American universities, is Conservative students coming forward with papers or assignments in which they expressed a Conservative thesis, supported it fully and scholarly, and received a C or worse.

To me, this and only this would serve as evidence that Liberal professors are discriminating against Conservative students.

If it's just some students *worrying* that their Liberal profs won't fairly grade their Conservative work, that's insufficient. EVERY student worries about satisfying their professors.
Posted By: klinton Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 6:34 PM
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I also do not feel it's a problem that Universities in general are havens for Liberalism. As I've said, this has LONG been the case. I think it's also the general case that educated people (people with advanced degrees) tend to be Liberal. And Universities are full of educated people LOL.




Are you really prepared for the shitstorm this statement is going to cause?
If someone points out real stats that show I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize. I meant no offense by it. But if you extend the idea that Universities are Liberal bastions, then it only makes sense to assert that most educated people are Liberal.

Universities are full of educated people. It's kind of a prerequisite for getting a job. And Universities are Liberal bastions.

Draw the conclusion.

And, I never said it was universal, that ALL educated people are Liberal. Or that all Liberals are educated. Or that Conservatives are not educated.

But I know from my own anecdotal evidence, educated people are Liberals.
Posted By: klinton Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 6:48 PM
I was not disagreeing with you, or questioning your conclusion. Just be prepared for idiot fucktards (like...um...Rex...) to reply with an 'all knowing' vengence.
It's also fair to point out that G-man offers a very one sided view of accounts. In the case of the student who received an F for his paper & was ordered to receive a mental check up, Media Matters actually has both sides of the story.
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According to Woolcock, he never "threatened" al-Qloushi's visa status or "threatened" him "into seeking regular psychological treatment," as al-Qloushi claimed. Woolcock also noted that al-Qloushi had "failed to write the mid-term assignment" and had turned down offers of assistance before turning in his final term paper:


When I read the paper, it became clear to me that it did not respond to the question. In late November, after grading all final papers, I asked Mr. al-Qloushi to come and discuss with me the grade. ... [H]e expressed in great detail, concerns and feelings of high anxiety he was having about certain developments which had occurred over ten years ago in his country. Some aspects of his concerns were similar to certain concerns expressed in his paper.

Based on the nature of the concerns and the feelings of high anxiety which he expressed, I encouraged him to visit one of the college counselors. I neither forced nor ordered Mr. al-Qloushi to see a counselor; I have no authority to do so. My suggestion to him was a recommendation he freely chose to accept and which he acknowledged in an e-mail message to me on December 1, 2004.

Foothill College counselors are competent and highly respected professionals capable of providing professional services to students, and faculty members are always encouraged by the college administration to make such referrals to college counselors as the need may arise.

In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicitly or implicity [sic], to the Dean of International Students or to any other Dean. In my conversation with Mr. al-Qloushi, I did not make any reference, explicit or implicit, to Mr. al-Qloushi's status as an international student. At the time of our conversation, Mr. al-Qloushi was still enrolled in my class, but after he met with the counselor, he never returned to the class.

I deny unequivocally all the allegations Mr. al-Qloushi has attributed to me regarding my suggestion to him that it might be helpful for him to discuss his long-standing concerns with a college counselor, as I have described here. All the other allegations made are false and have no basis whatsoever in fact.

Al-Qloushi's essay, which is posted on Horowitz's Students for Academic Freedom website, has been described by conservative blogger and political science professor James Joyner as "an incredibly poorly written, error-ridden, pabulum-filled [sic], essay that essentially ignores the question put forth by the instructor." Another conservative blogger, political science professor Steven Taylor, concluded: "I can see how this essay resulted in a failing grade."



http://mediamatters.org/items/200502220005
It's also worth noting how the conservative press handled this story.
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I was not disagreeing with you, or questioning your conclusion. Just be prepared for idiot fucktards (like...um...Rex...) to reply with an 'all knowing' vengence.




I'm used to the abuse.
Posted By: PJP Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 7:17 PM
You Love The Abuse!!!
The essay:

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3. Dye and Zeigler contend that the constitution of the United States was not “ordained and established” by “the people” as we have so often been led to believe. They contend instead that it was written by a small educated and wealthy elite in America who representative of powerful economic and political interests. Analyze the US constitution (original document), and show how its formulation excluded majority of the people living in America at that time, and how it was dominated by America’s elite interest.

Ahmad Al-Qloushi
Poli 01.02
Fall Quarter ‘04
Prof. Woolcock
T.A Travis Boetcher
Meghna

Dye and Zeigler contend that the constitution of the United States was not “ordained and established” by “the people” as we have so often been led to believe. They contend instead that it was written by small educated and wealthy elite in America who were representative of powerful economic and political interests. This paper will CRITICALLY analyze the US constitution and how it was a progressive document FOR ITS TIME. And how it symbolizes and embodies what America is today a just and democratic society where all men and women are created equal and that men and women are free to pursue their own happiness and fulfillment.

I completely disagree with Dye and Zeigler’s contention that the founding father had ONLY their best interests at heart and that that the constitution of the United States was a progressive document for its time compared to the aristocratic monarchies of Western Europe (excluding Britain). The American constitution worried monarchs in Europe. The right for men to choose their own representatives was unheard of in the rest of the world. Yet in a young country which freed itself from the shackles of the greatest empire of the time. The founding fathers were stalwart heroes who led the brave young men of this great land and in order to establish a democracy maybe not a direct or perfect democracy but one that guarantees the freedom of its citizens. It is ludicrous to assume that a direct democracy can succeed in the United States. Yet in the last ballots of November 2nd 2004 the people of the United States DID get a chance of influencing their political decisions in their country and that is thanks to the US constitution established by the great men of America like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

These men paved the way for what America is today the country of opportunity and freedom. These men were men of nationalism and men who took great pride in formulating what is today the greatest country in the world and thank god that it is so. Because of America the world is free. America vanquished Nazi Germany. America helped establish the great nation of Israel a democratic society in a troubled region. America freed Japan and South Korea. America freed Kuwait and now is currently in a fight to free Iraq and its 25,000,000 residents and vanquish the tyranny and monstrosity of Saddam Hussein. The US constitution and the Founding Fathers helped build the foundation to which all this was established.


It is through the efforts of America’s great leaders like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, Frederick Delano Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, current President Bush and most importantly the American troops who risked their lives for the freedom of America and the freedom of others that this country is so great and prosperous.

The US constitution might have required many amendments for its to catch up with modern times but no nation had a constitution which challenged the US in terms of equality and freedom at that particular time which made the document a very sophisticated one for its time a document which was feared by monarchs as being “too progressive”. It’s because of the American constitution and the American “elites” that Dye and Zeigler could critique this constitution and Americas Founding Fathers. It is because of America’s constitution that thousands of people wish to live there and walk amongst the free. “The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest.”
President Thomas Jefferson.

The United States constitution might have excluded the majority of people at the time. But it progressed and America like every nation in the world progressed and became a greater nation the constitution is now a document held in great esteem by Americans the Founding Fathers of America are greatly enshrined in dollar bills and the American people are proud of their country and history.

It is the American constitution that helps the American government to solve its problems in legal ways and in ways that will bring true American justice and resolve. The American foundation was built by the American constitution and the Founding Fathers and nothing can destroy these foundations.

“Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America. These acts shatter steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve.” President George W Bush.

America is a nation which has survived problems and many attacks on its soil yet the American will did not hesitate. America stood its ground and the Founding Fathers are the ones who built the Foundation that this ground were built upon. It is wonderful to have the freedom to argue Dye and Zeigler contentions and that is also due to the US constitution.

If the constitution was so negative then how did the United States the most powerful nation in the world today. If it was so negative how did the Soviet Union collapse in the Cold War? The United States constitution is a great document which for its time was extremely progressive and the evidence to the that is the United States’ accomplishments to date.

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Thomas Jefferson
George W Bush
What's your point?

I'm not a Consitiution scholar. I can't answer whether or not the student's response is a *scholarly* work. You need another Constitution scholar to evaluate the work to see if it's a scholarly response. And what year of college is this guy in?

What grade did this response get?

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What's your point?



Did you read the essay?

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I'm not a Consitiution scholar. I can't answer whether or not the student's response is a *scholarly* work. You need another Constitution scholar to evaluate the work to see if it's a scholarly response.



No you don't, actually, since the essay has very little to do with the Constitution itself. Simply read the question asked, then try to find a response to the question within the essay.

Good luck.

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And what year of college is this guy in?



That really shouldn't matter and for this essay I don't think it does. For the sake of argument, let's CONSERVATIVELY assume this student is in his very first semester in college (which, I'm quite sure he isn't).

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What grade did this response get?




An F.
I see your point.

The student doesn't answer the question. And clearly, there is no point in introducing comments made by G. W. Bush--he is clearly not one of the men who wrote the Constitution.

I'd give him the poor grade, too, now that I've delved into it.

Of course, someone on this board will surely argue that the Professor framed the question in an "anti-American"/pro-Liberal fashion.
Can't say I care for the question & how it's framed but I would say the student deserved an F. Like many students who get a bad grade it never enters their mind that may have deserved the grade. Guess it paid off though, since he got a couple of TV appearances & is now a hero for some conservatives.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-06 10:00 PM
I won't disagree the question is framed with the slant.

If the student felt that question was framed with too much of a Liberal slant, then it behooves the student to use his scholarship to disagree with the question in his answer using the framework of the question (sticking with writers of the Constitution rather than drawing in remarks from Bush).
Posted By: PaulWellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 12:15 AM
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I also do not feel it's a problem that Universities in general are havens for Liberalism. As I've said, this has LONG been the case. I think it's also the general case that educated people (people with advanced degrees) tend to be Liberal. And Universities are full of educated people LOL.




Are you really prepared for the shitstorm this statement is going to cause?





I think the main causes of the partisan disparity on campus have little to do with anything so nefarious as discrimination (or with Republicans not being that smart ). First, Republicans don't particularly want to be professors. To go into academia — a highly competitive field that does not offer great riches — you have to believe that living the life of the mind is more valuable than making a Wall Street salary. On most issues that offer a choice between having more money in your pocket and having something else — a cleaner environment, universal health insurance, etc. — conservatives tend to prefer the money and liberals tend to prefer the something else. It's not so surprising that the same thinking would extend to career choices.
Posted By: PJP Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 12:26 AM
Those who can't do........Teach!
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I also do not feel it's a problem that Universities in general are havens for Liberalism. As I've said, this has LONG been the case. I think it's also the general case that educated people (people with advanced degrees) tend to be Liberal. And Universities are full of educated people LOL.




Are you really prepared for the shitstorm this statement is going to cause?





I think the main causes of the partisan disparity on campus have little to do with anything so nefarious as discrimination (or with Republicans not being that smart ). First, Republicans don't particularly want to be professors. To go into academia — a highly competitive field that does not offer great riches — you have to believe that living the life of the mind is more valuable than making a Wall Street salary. On most issues that offer a choice between having more money in your pocket and having something else — a cleaner environment, universal health insurance, etc. — conservatives tend to prefer the money and liberals tend to prefer the something else. It's not so surprising that the same thinking would extend to career choices.




Yeah, it's all about the money for Republicans. Like those Republican evangelical ministers. We all know what a shitload they make.
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Yeah, it's all about the money for Republicans. Like those Republican evangelical ministers. We all know what a shitload they make.



Actually the TV ones seem to do OK. As for the others, the abortion issue probably forces many into being Republicans. I suspect that despite what the President has said, I doubt you'll see Roe vs Wade overturned for that reason.
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Can't say I care for the question & how it's framed but I would say the student deserved an F.




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...Of course, someone on this board will surely argue that the Professor framed the question in an "anti-American"/pro-Liberal fashion.



And I wouldn't blame them. The question is written with a HUGE left slant.

Of course, the essay topic is also labelled as number 3, which means that the student had at least two other topics he could have chosen to write about. Now, they might have also been written with a slant to the left, but we don't know that for sure.

Either way, the student chose this question. Perhaps it was because he wanted to challenge its leftist slant (an assumption I'm making based on the paper he wrote). If that's what he wanted to do while still worried about his grade, he should have either done it WHILE answering the question at hand or AFTER doing so. Then if the teacher gave him an F, he'd at least have a real case.

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Yeah, it's all about the money for Republicans. Like those Republican evangelical ministers. We all know what a shitload they make.



Well, ummmmmm, actually...
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The question is written with a HUGE left slant.




Be that as it may, that in and itself does not prove a thesis that "Liberal professors are discriminating against Conservative students."
I'm not familiar with the book the essay was based on but while the word elite may be seem like a loaded word it does apply to our founding fathers. They couldn't have acheived what they did if they applied some type of consensus by all land owners IMHO. I just don't see it as a bad thing but a necessary thing.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-07 3:01 AM
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The problem with arguing that "conservative profs will do it too" is that there are very, very, few conservative professors out there




Heh.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-07 4:14 AM
This goes beyond liberal professors discriminating against convervative students; as I'm sure it's been pointed out in one of all the posts I didn't read, if the majority of professors were conservative, they would discriminate against liberal students. No, the real problem is that there's an idiotic amount of useless hostility between both sides, useless because, as the posters in this forum know better than anyone, adults are so stubborn that it's impossible to get them to change their views after they've stated them, even if logic dictates they should. There's a tremendous amount of debate in this forum... I wonder how many people have actually changed any of their views by taking part in them. I get the feeling most of the time there's debate just for debate's sake posing as worthwhile debate.

This hostily runs deep and it's hard to overcome it even when we're trying to do it: for example, I've just been stupidly hostile by implying conservatives are not intelligent enough to be professors in my last post, because I ideologically sympathize more with liberals and therefore automatically believe them to be smarter. But, you know, at least I admit it.

Has it ever happened to you that you suddenly dislike a person after you've found out what their political ideas are? I have, and I think it's a stupid reaction and it shouldn't ever happen. Most of the time I've been proven wrong. If I dislike a person it should be because they're low as human beings, not because of something as trivial as what side do they lean to. Assuming things about other people, like, say, assuming someone belongs to a certain idealogy because of something non-critical (or not critical enough) of that ideology they've said, and then choose to ironically ignore the evidence a four year old should be able to see to continue to classify this person, going to such extremes as using them as examples in other discussions, is something I consider not precisely idiotic but low and unworthy of a human being, and I'd despise that person even if we agreed ideologically for doing that.
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as I'm sure it's been pointed out in one of all the posts I didn't read, if the majority of professors were conservative, they would discriminate against liberal students.




No, this was not pointed out. Why? Because I don't believe it's true.

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I try very hard for this not to happen. I see no reason why I couldn't sit down with, say, G-Man, and have a drink with him despite the disparity of our political viewpoints.

One of my dearest, dearest friends is a hardcore Indiana Republican. Doesn't matter. Yes, we can get into heated arguments over politics, but our friendship always wins out.
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No, this was not pointed out. Why? Because I don't believe it's true.




Why? Why would conservative professors be any less likely of comitting that stupidity? I don't think it's the liberal in the professors discriminating the students, it's the human in them.

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I try very hard for this not to happen. I see no reason why I couldn't sit down with, say, G-Man, and have a drink with him despite the disparity of our political viewpoints.

One of my dearest, dearest friends is a hardcore Indiana Republican. Doesn't matter. Yes, we can get into heated arguments over politics, but our friendship always wins out.




You try, which means you recognize the problem. I try too, yet sometimes I think back and realize I've just done it again, and try to correct it. I have many friends I disagree with radically (there's still people who support Pinochet, if you can believe that), but they all happen to be childhood friends or people I knew for a while before knowing their political tendency.
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This goes beyond liberal professors discriminating against convervative students; as I'm sure it's been pointed out in one of all the posts I didn't read, if the majority of professors were conservative, they would discriminate against liberal students. No, the real problem is that there's an idiotic amount of useless hostility between both sides, useless because, as the posters in this forum know better than anyone, adults are so stubborn that it's impossible to get them to change their views after they've stated them, even if logic dictates they should.




The real problem is when this hostility manifests itself in the real world, like in the media or politics. Partisan hatred prevents actually talking things out, getting anything accomplished, and letting the American people know what's really at stake and what the issues are really about.

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There's a tremendous amount of debate in this forum... I wonder how many people have actually changed any of their views by taking part in them. I get the feeling most of the time there's debate just for debate's sake posing as worthwhile debate.




I thought I was the only one around here who thought this way. It drove me away once, and it's almost driven me away again several times since. After I took a week off after my grandfather died, I strongly considered not coming back at all because I got so tired of the fighting and the stubborness.

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Has it ever happened to you that you suddenly dislike a person after you've found out what their political ideas are?




No, because it doesn't matter to me. I don't care what people's politics are, as long as they don't play the misionary or demonize me for not seeing eye to eye with them. People have cast me aside because of my political views, and it hurts me. Some conservatives think I'm liberal just because I'm not conservative, and it never enters their mind that there are moderates who don't fit in to either category (Not all of them, though. I have quite a few conservative friends who don't really care where I stand politically, and who are smart enough to realize that not conservative doesn't automatially mean liberal.)

However, now that I think about it, no liberal I know has ever cast me off for not being a liberal. My parents are hardcore liberals, but they respect my stance as a moderate.

Maybe this is one reason why I tend to sympathize more with liberals than conservatives on some occasions - because conservatives label and stereotype me as something I'm not, and liberals tend not to do that.

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If I dislike a person it should be because they're low as human beings, not because of something as trivial as what side do they lean to.




Agreed. Disliking a liberal or conservative doesn't automatically make you one of the opposition, and it annoyes me when people are too narrow-minded to tell the difference.

I hate labelling and stereotyping under any circumstances, and for liberals or conservatives to be stereotyped or being accused of believing in something they don't truly aggravates me - especially when the accusers refuse to believe or listen to the people they're rashly accusing. Stubbornness is another pet peeve of mine.

I wish that moderates were as much of a force as liberals or conservatives are. Liberals and conservatives have their own fellow liberals and conservatives to rally behind. We moderates don't really have any.
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I was not disagreeing with you, or questioning your conclusion. Just be prepared for idiot fucktards (like...um...Rex...) to reply with an 'all knowing' vengence.




Posted By: Paul Wellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 8:43 AM
I'm whomod.
Posted By: rex Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 8:48 AM
excellent
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Why? Why would conservative professors be any less likely of comitting that stupidity? I don't think it's the liberal in the professors discriminating the students, it's the human in them.




Show me that *anybody's* discriminating against anybody else.

I still don't see it.

The question on the essay that's a part of this argument doesn't count as "discriminating." Yes, on face it appears to be a Liberally slanted question. But we're just armchair quarterbacking on that one, unless somebody can dig up a Constitution scholar willing to say/argue that the basis of the prof's question is inaccurate/ill-founded.

This prof could just be tossing out a question to make his students stretch their reasoning ability. A kind of "show me you're developing better writing skills by taking a position you disagree with and supporting it anyway." I'm not saying that's good pedagogy (I'm not saying it's not...I have no comment on it...my training's in the Sciences where we develop experiments to test our theoretical assertions).
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After I took a week off after my grandfather died, I strongly considered not coming back at all because I got so tired of the fighting and the stubborness.




It has surprised me all along, participating in this forum, how many Conservatives are present here.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 6:12 PM
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Among full professors at Berkeley and Stanford, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is 7:1. But among younger untenured assistant and associate profes-sors it's a ridiculous 31:1. Among the rising generation of professors, in other words, Republicans are almost extinct.




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Well, firstly, this is taken from Berkeley and Stanford.




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The dominant orthodoxy "amounts to a one-party system. That is no longer a matter of conjecture. It is established fact.




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Perhaps for those colleges.




It's not just those colleges:

    when researchers checked the voter registration of humanities and social science instructors at 19 universities, they discovered a whopping political imbalance. The results, published in The American Enterprise in 2002, made it clear that for all the talk of diversity in higher education, ideological diversity in the modern college faculty is mostly nonexistent.

    So, for example, at Cornell, of the 172 faculty members whose party affiliation was recorded, 166 were liberal (Democrats or Greens) and six were conservative (Republicans or Libertarians). At Stanford the liberal-conservative ratio was 151-17. At San Diego State it was 80-11. At SUNY Binghamton, 35-1. At UCLA, 141-9. At the University of Colorado-Boulder, 116-5.

    Reflecting on these gross disparities, The American Enterprise's editor, Karl Zinsmeister, remarked: "Today's colleges and universities . . . do not, when it comes to political and cultural ideas, look like America."

    At about the same time, a poll of Ivy League professors commissioned by the Center for the Study of Popular Culture found that more than 80 percent of those who voted in 2000 had cast their ballots for Democrat Al Gore while just 9 percent backed Republican George W. Bush. While 64 percent said they were "liberal" or "somewhat liberal," only 6 percent described themselves as "somewhat conservative' -- and none at all as "conservative."

    And the evidence continues to mount.

    The New York Times reports that a new national survey of more than 1,000 academics shows Democratic professors outnumbering Republicans by at least 7 to 1 in the humanities and social sciences. At Berkeley and Stanford, according to a separate study that included professors of engineering and the hard sciences, the ratio of Democrats to Republicans is even more lopsided: 9 to 1.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 6:17 PM
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What's the problem? That there are too many Liberal professors? Or that there's some concern that Liberal professors don't tolerate dissenting points of view?




A little of both:

    Such one-party domination of any major institution is problematic in a nation where Republicans and Democrats can be found in roughly equal numbers. In academia it is scandalous. It strangles dissent, suppresses debate, and causes minorities to be discriminated against. It is certainly antithetical to good scholarship.

    "Any political position that dominates an institution without dissent," writes Mark Bauerlein, an English professor at Emory and director of research at the National Endowment for the Arts, "deteriorates into smugness, complacency, and blindness. ... Groupthink is an anti-intellectual condition."

    Worse yet, it leads faculty members to abuse their authority. The American Council of Trustees and Alumni has just released the results of the first survey to measure student perceptions of faculty partisanship. The ACTA findings are striking. Of 658 students polled at the top 50 US colleges, 49 percent said professors "frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course," 48 percent said some "presentations on political issues seem totally one-sided," and 46 percent said that "professors use the classroom to present their personal political views."

    Academic freedom is not only meant to protect professors; it is also supposed to ensure students' right to learn without being molested. When instructors use their classrooms to indoctrinate and propagandize, they cheat those students and betray the academic mission they are entrusted with. That should be intolerable to honest men and women of every stripe -- liberals and conservatives alike.
Regarding the "too many liberal professors" idea, some of us have raised the question as to whether or not the imbalance might be due to conservatives not wanting to become college professors while liberals would be more inclined to do so.

If conservatives don't want to be college professors while liberals do, why is that the fault of liberals?
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Such one-party domination of any major institution is problematic in a nation where Republicans and Democrats can be found in roughly equal numbers. In academia it is scandalous.




This is nothing but arguable. "Scandolous"? Hyperbole...it's a good thing.

You advocating that Universities "purge" themselves of half of their Liberal profs in order to "balance" things out? You going to fire professors simply because of their political allegiance?

Hello, paging Hitler, a Mr. A. Hitler, please pick up the courtesy phone...(hyperbole works the other way, too)

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It strangles dissent, suppresses debate, and causes minorities to be discriminated against. It is certainly antithetical to good scholarship.




"Certainly" demands empirical support. IOW, baby, PROVE IT.

I'm sorry, but this article is nothing but rhetoric and bullshit.

Universities are Liberal and have historically been populated with Liberal faculty.

If you have a professor or instructor engaging in political discrimination, then fire him/her. End of story.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 7:38 PM
So, folks, for the record, Jim doesn't believe in diversity.

Several people have raised some pretty good points that I think merit serious answers, Jim's included.
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The ACTA findings are striking. Of 658 students polled at the top 50 US colleges, 49 percent said professors "frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course," 48 percent said some "presentations on political issues seem totally one-sided," and 46 percent said that "professors use the classroom to present their personal political views."




All the stats fall under 50%. That means more don't than do.

What these stats don't address is HOW OFTEN do professors use the classroom to present personal political views. They also do not address the extent to which these professors use the presentation of these personal political views in any way that pertains to actual coursework and grading (do you want a robot professor who reveals nothing of himself or herself to students?).

If students feel these presentations of personal politics "seem" totally one-sided...so? You saying the student's the prof's equal when it comes to knowledge of the material? Gee, I thought the profs have Ph. D.s and the students have high school diplomas. I didn't realize we're to treat students as being intellectually equal to their professors.

If I looked at the American Medical Association and found that over half were Conservative, does this mean that States should pull the licenses of doctors in order to balance things out ideologically?
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So, folks, for the record, Jim doesn't believe in diversity.






All joking aside, I take this very seriously.

Of course I believe in diversity. But on the basis of politics???

If you show me that there are Conservative Ph.D.s out there who can attest that they're not gaining entry into Academia on the basis of their politics, then you have something. Otherwise, there's nothing there.

DK's already brought up a very good point: Do many Conservatives *want* to be college professors?
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 7:51 PM

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The ACTA findings are striking. Of 658 students polled at the top 50 US colleges, 49 percent said professors "frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course," 48 percent said some "presentations on political issues seem totally one-sided," and 46 percent said that "professors use the classroom to present their personal political views."




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All the stats fall under 50%. That means more don't than do.





So...by that argument if, for example, 49% of all homosexuals polled said that professors "frequently comment on homosexuality in class even though it has nothing to do with the course," 48 percent said some "presentations on homosexual issues seem totally one-sided [and anti-gay]," and 46 percent said that "professors use the classroom to present their personal [anit-gay] views" you wouldn't consider that a problem?
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So...by that argument if, for example, 49% of all homosexuals polled said that professors "frequently comment on homosexuality in class even though it has nothing to do with the course," 48 percent said some "presentations on homosexual issues seem totally one-sided [and anti-gay]," and 46 percent said that "professors use the classroom to present their personal [anit-gay] views" you wouldn't consider that a problem?




Not on its face, no.

And dig this, my thesis advisor was decidedly un-gay-friendly. I still got A's in his classes.
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Fucking commies.






What bugs me is that no one thinks any of this anti-Conservative bent is any fault of the Conservatives.




WOW! I wonder if you would make the same claim about about racism, sexism, or homophobia. "If people hate you, it MUST be your fault."
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Fucking commies.






What bugs me is that no one thinks any of this anti-Conservative bent is any fault of the Conservatives.




I think we're supposed to be concerned about the kids having to put up with somebody else's veiwpoint before they go to work for their dad's company.




Yea, because we know all us dirty CONs come from wealthy parents and have jobs waiting for us when we get out of school. How the top 1% of americans managed to pull of a 51% victory is beyond me.
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Those who can't do........Teach!




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Those who can't do........Teach!









Is this an indictment of teachers?
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Those who can't do........Teach!









Is this an indictment of teachers?




Of some teachers...yes. My parrents are retired teachers. So I've grown up arround teachers. There are some who truly have a passion about what they do, but there are alot who don't. Most teachers aren't the modern day saints they're made out to be (although some definately are)
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 10:43 PM
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There are some who truly have a passion about what they do, but there are alot who don't.




I imagine that phrase could be applied to just about any profession in the United States.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-07 10:44 PM
It's probably also fair to say not all attorneys are the modern day scum they're made out to be.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-07 11:31 PM
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Jim Jackson said:
Show me that *anybody's* discriminating against anybody else.

I still don't see it.

The question on the essay that's a part of this argument doesn't count as "discriminating." Yes, on face it appears to be a Liberally slanted question. But we're just armchair quarterbacking on that one, unless somebody can dig up a Constitution scholar willing to say/argue that the basis of the prof's question is inaccurate/ill-founded.

This prof could just be tossing out a question to make his students stretch their reasoning ability. A kind of "show me you're developing better writing skills by taking a position you disagree with and supporting it anyway." I'm not saying that's good pedagogy (I'm not saying it's not...I have no comment on it...my training's in the Sciences where we develop experiments to test our theoretical assertions).




I've seen it happen. Like, right in front of me. Last year, a teacher in one of my classes, a guy I later found out to be quite respected in literary and philosophical circles, said in his introductory class something like: "I assume that, if you're here, you're all intelligent enough to belong to left wing parties or lean towards that side." I laughed my arse off, but then a friend of mine raised his hand and said he was what in the US you'd call a conservative. There were a couple of others (that I know of) who didn't say anything because they felt ridiculed by the professor. The professor said something like "Is that so? Huh." and carried on with the class. If that had happened the other way around I would have probably walked out.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-08 12:14 AM
i would have had a similar experience but i never went to college. so ill use mxy's.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-08 12:21 AM
Can I use your car?
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-08 12:48 AM
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I've seen it happen. Like, right in front of me.<snip>




Did any Conservative student do poorly in the class *because* of their Conservatism?
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Can I use your car?





if i can use your degree!
I don't have any real liberal vs. conservative horror stories from the UF campus. Mostly because I take all science classes, where there's really no politcal bias. There's no bias in the atom, thank God. I have noticed that when I'm taking more Humanity-oriented classes (required to be well-rounded, after all), things are a little different. Well of course Human Sexuality is going to be taught by a liberal! Duh. I mean, I do get annoyed when conservatives were painted as backwards idiots (who STILL managed to get accepted to UF) who all went to church on Sunday and never ever ever looked at porn. In fact, one of my biggest thrills that semester was annoying my TA. He was pissed that I thought condoms should be discussed in Sex Ed and that gays marriages needed to be addressed and yet, I didn't vote for Kerry. Who'd a thunk it.

I would say a bigger problem are many of the clubs and organizations. There's a huge 'clout' issue concerning student government (and you'd be surprised how many frat brothers and sorority girls vote democrat), and the more liberal organizations have always been favored.

The whole thing wouldn't even be a big friggin' deal if there was just more diversity on campus. If it's okay to look different, act different, or come from a different country, how come it isn't okay to think differently?
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I've seen it happen. Like, right in front of me.<snip>




Did any Conservative student do poorly in the class *because* of their Conservatism?




If this happened to a minority group based on ethnicity or sexual preferance. I'm sure you would (correctly mind you) say that it was intimidation. Even if the students weren't acctually graded more harshly.

Lets say a friend of yours was going to school and the proffesor said something along the lines of. I assume if you're intellegent enough to take this class then you must understand that homosexuallity is unnatural and wrong. Dispite anything the teacher did wouldn't you deem that a hostile environment?
of course he wouldnt!
also i dont think jim would have gay friends.
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Those who can't do........Teach!




And those who can't coach become color commentators!
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The whole thing wouldn't even be a big friggin' deal if there was just more diversity on campus. If it's okay to look different, act different, or come from a different country, how come it isn't okay to think differently?




So what's to stop Republicans and conservatives from creating that diversity? I've yet to hear any legitimate case of Republicans or conservatives not being allowed to get their opinoons heard and their voices out there. If you think your side isn't being fairly represented, do something about it.

This is why I keep asking about conservative teachers. Are there more liberal professors than conservative professors because conservatives don't want the job? I'm still waiting for somebody to respond to that.
Posted By: rex Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-08 2:28 AM
I would not want republican groups invading campuses. I don't thing there's enough room for two extremists viewpoints on campuses.
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So what's to stop Republicans and conservatives from creating that diversity? I've yet to hear any legitimate case of Republicans or conservatives not being allowed to get their opinoons heard and their voices out there. If you think your side isn't being fairly represented, do something about it.

This is why I keep asking about conservative teachers. Are there more liberal professors than conservative professors because conservatives don't want the job? I'm still waiting for somebody to respond to that.




I know I personally don't want to teach because I don't want to deal with uppity students, plus I'd like to earn more money than that. But I know that's only my opinion and there's a dozen different reasons why people would/would not want to teach.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-08 3:57 AM
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I've seen it happen. Like, right in front of me.<snip>




Did any Conservative student do poorly in the class *because* of their Conservatism?




My friend did poorly in the class, but then again he did poorly in most classes. Though the people I mentioned often complained about the teacher, I don't know if anyone had any problems because of their political stance. But still, l what the teacher said shows a clear bias a teacher shouldn't have.
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Fucking commies.






What bugs me is that no one thinks any of this anti-Conservative bent is any fault of the Conservatives.




I think we're supposed to be concerned about the kids having to put up with somebody else's veiwpoint before they go to work for their dad's company.




Yea, because we know all us dirty CONs come from wealthy parents and have jobs waiting for us when we get out of school. How the top 1% of americans managed to pull of a 51% victory is beyond me.




You would almost think I started a thread bashing conservative students Sorry but I tutored a couple of semesters and I have very little sympathy for the student (liberal or conservative) who wines about the teacher instead of doing the work their supposed to do. Reading G-man's opening post just reminded me of that experience.
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also i dont think jim would have gay friends.



I'm sure he would still have time for you
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So what's to stop Republicans and conservatives from creating that diversity? I've yet to hear any legitimate case of Republicans or conservatives not being allowed to get their opinoons heard and their voices out there. If you think your side isn't being fairly represented, do something about it.

This is why I keep asking about conservative teachers. Are there more liberal professors than conservative professors because conservatives don't want the job? I'm still waiting for somebody to respond to that.




I know I personally don't want to teach because I don't want to deal with uppity students, plus I'd like to earn more money than that. But I know that's only my opinion and there's a dozen different reasons why people would/would not want to teach.




Okay, but you also brought up clubs and organizations, which anyone can start. Why not try one of those instead of teaching, if you think it would diversify the campus?
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The whole thing wouldn't even be a big friggin' deal if there was just more diversity on campus. If it's okay to look different, act different, or come from a different country, how come it isn't okay to think differently?




So what's to stop Republicans and conservatives from creating that diversity? I've yet to hear any legitimate case of Republicans or conservatives not being allowed to get their opinoons heard and their voices out there. If you think your side isn't being fairly represented, do something about it.

This is why I keep asking about conservative teachers. Are there more liberal professors than conservative professors because conservatives don't want the job? I'm still waiting for somebody to respond to that.




I'm wondering if it is a case of a smaller pool of conservatives actually applying for the job like you say DK? If that is the case, what can Colleges do? I doubt it's legal to inquire if somebody is conservative or liberal. And that isn't a precedent I would like to see set anywhere.
And it's not like conservatives or any politcal group should push people into a job they don't want to do. "Hey, we don't have enough liberals working in this gun shop." "Hey, we need more conservatives teaching yoga." * In the end, what are you gonna do?

* Very bad stereotyping on my part. More so since I've done yoga. I appologize.
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I'm wondering if it is a case of a smaller pool of conservatives actually applying for the job like you say DK? If that is the case, what can Colleges do? I doubt it's legal to inquire if somebody is conservative or liberal. And that isn't a precedent I would like to see set anywhere.




I wouldn't want to see such a precedent either.

Besides, it's not impossible for liberals or conservatives to keep their personal biases out of the classroom.

My mom, a Jewish hardcore liberal, teaches International Relations, specializing in the Middle East. Outside of the classroom, she's very outspoken about her views, but she is very careful to present the information to her students without any bias or slant. She's even written essays (which she's currently trying to get published) criticizing Jewish organizations for encouraging Jewish professors to take a pro-Israel stance in the classroom, saying that teaching students a biased view of history and current events is a disservice to students.

I took an American Governemnt class with this one professor, and I had no way of knowing whether she was a liberal or a conservative (not that I really try to pick up on those sorts of things,) and I never found out until I saw a Bush/Cheney sticker on her car - and by that time, I'd already completed the course.

I think that professors should leave their personal biases outside the classroom. Just like I believe journalists should do. Their job is not to take sides. Their job is to provide information from an objective viewpoint. When they take sides, they are betraying their responsibility to the community.
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And it's not like conservatives or any politcal group should push people into a job they don't want to do. "Hey, we don't have enough liberals working in this gun shop." "Hey, we need more conservatives teaching yoga." * In the end, what are you gonna do?





Exactly.

So it's not fair to slam liberals for doing a job that conservatives don't want to do (I'm not saying that you were, CJ, just so you know).
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My friend did poorly in the class, but then again he did poorly in most classes.




...blunting any argument about this prof discriminating against your Conservative friend.

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Though the people I mentioned often complained about the teacher, I don't know if anyone had any problems because of their political stance. But still, l what the teacher said shows a clear bias a teacher shouldn't have.




It doesn't show a clear bias. It shows an expression of an opinion. If there's no clear evidence that shows that Conservative students did poorly while Liberals did well in the class...there's no case. This guy is not the first, nor the last, opinionated professor.
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Okay, but you also brought up clubs and organizations, which anyone can start.




I think there was a thread a loong way back asserting that Campus Republicans is the among the groups experiencing great increases in on-campus membership.

So there's your diversity.

I still say you cannot mandate diversity on the basis of political stance.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-08 6:27 PM
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I'm Not Mister Mxypltk said:
My friend did poorly in the class, but then again he did poorly in most classes.




...blunting any argument about this prof discriminating against your Conservative friend.

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Though the people I mentioned often complained about the teacher, I don't know if anyone had any problems because of their political stance. But still, l what the teacher said shows a clear bias a teacher shouldn't have.




It doesn't show a clear bias. It shows an expression of an opinion. If there's no clear evidence that shows that Conservative students did poorly while Liberals did well in the class...there's no case. This guy is not the first, nor the last, opinionated professor.




I didn't say it didn't happen: in fact, I think it probably did. But I don't know for sure. The papers we had to turn in for that class were mostly reflections on what he talked about in class, that being globalisation, imperialism, etc. I had no problem expanding on his thoughts cause I agree with most of what he said, but I can see how the papers would have been tremendously more difficult for a conservative, since they would have debate what the professor said (something people rarely did in class, this guy was a monster debating), and if their arguments weren't up to his I'm assuming they would have got a lousy grade.
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and if their arguments weren't up to his I'm assuming they would have got a lousy grade.




Taht's a weak assumption to make. It's down to whether or not the students (a) had viewpoints differing strongly from his and (b) if they were able to defend those viewpoints in a scholarly manner on exams, assignments, and papers.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-09 5:35 AM
But the point is I didn't have to defend my points, for me it was just of saying "yep, I agree with that" and expand a little to get a good grade, while the others had to actually defend their views, and if that rarely happened in class was because the few times it did the teacher showed us how fucking good he was at making arguments that left no space for the other side to even be concieved. I can't imagine what it must have been like to be a conservative a turn a paper to the guy, it's a completely different class for them, certainly a more difficult one, and that's not fair.
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But the point is I didn't have to defend my points, for me it was just of saying "yep, I agree with that" and expand a little to get a good grade, while the others had to actually defend their views, and if that rarely happened in class was because the few times it did the teacher showed us how fucking good he was at making arguments that left no space for the other side to even be concieved. I can't imagine what it must have been like to be a conservative a turn a paper to the guy, it's a completely different class for them, certainly a more difficult one, and that's not fair.




If what you say is in fact accurate, rather than just your opinion of it at a distance, then report the professor to the Department. But you better go in with proof rather than assertion-that-is-opinion.

Did your classmate ever say anything to the professor about his perceptions of the situation?

I'm not saying an individual prof cannot be biased against the Right. My point is more than it will take a ton of evidence to convince me it's a problem in academia and that students are actually receiving poor grades when in fact they deserve better ones.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-09 8:19 PM
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-09 8:48 PM
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But the point is I didn't have to defend my points, for me it was just of saying "yep, I agree with that" and expand a little to get a good grade, while the others had to actually defend their views, and if that rarely happened in class was because the few times it did the teacher showed us how fucking good he was at making arguments that left no space for the other side to even be concieved. I can't imagine what it must have been like to be a conservative a turn a paper to the guy, it's a completely different class for them, certainly a more difficult one, and that's not fair.




If what you say is in fact accurate, rather than just your opinion of it at a distance, then report the professor to the Department. But you better go in with proof rather than assertion-that-is-opinion.

Did your classmate ever say anything to the professor about his perceptions of the situation?




He and other conservatives bitched a lot about the guy, but as you may know that's usual with every class for one reason or the other. I doubt anyone reported him. To be honest, I didn't think of this as a problem until the semester was over, because it didn't affect me in any way and I was concentrated in improving my own grades.

I'm not claiming any of this is hard evidence, obviously, nor am I completely sure about this, I'm just giving my view. If it was the other way around I'd know for sure.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-10 5:29 PM
From the NY Times:

    Studying for a graduate teaching degree at Le Moyne College, [Scott McConnell] wrote in a paper last fall that "corporal punishment has a place in the classroom."

    His teacher gave the paper an A-minus and wrote, "Interesting ideas - I've shared these with Dr. Leogrande," referring to Cathy Leogrande, who oversaw the college's graduate program.

    Unknown to Mr. McConnell, his view of discipline became a subject of discussion among Le Moyne officials. Five days before the spring semester began in January, Mr. McConnell learned that he had been dismissed from Le Moyne, a Jesuit college.

    "I have grave concerns regarding the mismatch between your personal beliefs regarding teaching and learning and the Le Moyne College program goals," Dr. Leogrande wrote in a letter, according to a copy provided by Mr. McConnell. "Your registration for spring 2005 courses has been withdrawn."
I can't access the rest of the article. Would you mind posting the whole thing?

I'm especially curious to see whether the word "liberal" or "conservative" is even used in the rest of the article. Because I don't see how this is related to the topic at hand.
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-10 6:39 PM
Harassing students has terribly and sometimes unexpectedly bizarre side effects, such as the followqing case:

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"I have grave concerns regarding the mismatch between your personal beliefs regarding teaching and learning and the Le Moyne College program goals," Dr. Leogrande wrote in a letter, according to a copy provided by Mr. McConnell. "Your registration for spring 2005 courses has been withdrawn."[/LIST]




I hope the guy fights it. I hope he presses this university on why they are behaving as they are. I hope he got whatever due process is available to him at this university (a private school, I might add).

Now you need about another 20,000 such examples to share with us to prove to me that the Liberalism at colleges and universities in the United States has taken a discriminatory turn.
isnt mxy's photographc evidence enough.
Posted By: PenWing Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-10 7:22 PM
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the G-man said:
From the NY Times:

    Studying for a graduate teaching degree at Le Moyne College, [Scott McConnell] wrote in a paper last fall that "corporal punishment has a place in the classroom."

    His teacher gave the paper an A-minus and wrote, "Interesting ideas - I've shared these with Dr. Leogrande," referring to Cathy Leogrande, who oversaw the college's graduate program.

    Unknown to Mr. McConnell, his view of discipline became a subject of discussion among Le Moyne officials. Five days before the spring semester began in January, Mr. McConnell learned that he had been dismissed from Le Moyne, a Jesuit college.

    "I have grave concerns regarding the mismatch between your personal beliefs regarding teaching and learning and the Le Moyne College program goals," Dr. Leogrande wrote in a letter, according to a copy provided by Mr. McConnell. "Your registration for spring 2005 courses has been withdrawn."





Is it just me, or does this read more like a religious rather than political bias? IT's a Jesuit college. Should they dismiss the student? Absolutely not. He has done nothing but share an opinion on a very good paper. If anything, this ariticle shows that the teacher wasn't biased in the least, since he not only gave the paper an A-minus, but also thought it was a topic worth discussing on an intelectual level with his superior. That the superior than went and through the student out is sickening, but again, it seems to be a religious issue.
its just you.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-13 2:53 PM
Speaking of religious bias, a lot of "liberal" professors are starting to harass, not just conservatives, but Jews.

Here’s an in-depth report on the scary, pervasive antisemitism at the University of California Irvine: Jewish students and activists call UC Irvine a hotbed of anti-Semitic harassment:


    In the center quad at UC Irvine, Amir Abdel Malik Ali stands before a crowd of 150, his hands clutching a podium bearing the message, “Desperation of the Zionist Lobby.”

    “Zionism is a mixture, a fusion of the concept of white supremacy and the chosen people,” the Oakland-based Muslim religious leader and teacher told the audience at the Feb. 2 Muslim Student Union (MSU)-organized event.

    Malik Ali unleashed an attack about the Zionist control of the American media, Zionist complicity in the war in Iraq and Zionists’ ability to deflect justified criticism.

    “You will have to hear more about the Holocaust when you accuse them of their Nazi behavior,” he told the group of mostly Muslim students.

    At a time when Israeli and Palestinian leaders are taking baby steps toward a peaceful two-state solution, Malik Ali made it clear that he had a different vision.

    “One state. Majority rule,” he said to rousing applause. “Check that out. Us. The Muslims.”

    Once a sleepy suburban university, UCI has joined the ranks of Columbia University and UC Berkeley as a hotbed of anti-Zionism. The situation has become so tense that the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating allegations of anti-Jewish harassment at UCI and administration indifference.

    In recent years, UCI Muslim student groups have invited speakers like Malik Ali to attack Israel and its supporters in language that has the unmistakable ring of anti-Semitism.


Malik Ali’s, "a specialist in international politics," is also the "brain" behind of ‘Amerika, the Belly of the Beast.’
Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk Censor this cocksucker - 2005-03-13 8:26 PM
Wow.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: How some cons harass liberals - 2005-03-14 12:58 AM
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Speaking of religious bias, a lot of "liberal" professors are starting to harass, not just conservatives, but Jews.




You'll have to point out where the article even remotely backs that up. Considering that towards the end of the article it says ...

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Reversing a three-year trend, the ADL said that anti-Semitic incidents on American campuses declined in 2003, the latest year for which data exist. At UCI, recent developments suggest a slight cooling off might be under way between Jewish and Muslim student activists.




...this is just partisan name calling lacking merit. I'm curious how long before we see the "liberals have tails & want to rape our women" thread.
http://www.columbiaunbecoming.com/

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1360
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http://www.columbiaunbecoming.com/

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1360




Funny thing about both of those articles: none of those have any references to liberals. And "liberal arts" doesn't count.

Anti-semitism is its own problem. Don't go dragging a partisan blood feud into it.
partisan blood fueds have their own problem too so dont go dragging your anti-semitism into it too!
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-14 5:05 AM
Given that approximately 95% of the faculty at any given Ivy League school is liberal, there is a approximately 1 95% chance that liberals are engaged in, allowing, or otherwise complicit in this behavior.
Anti-Semites!
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http://www.columbiaunbecoming.com/

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1360




Funny thing about both of those articles: none of those have any references to liberals. And "liberal arts" doesn't count.

Anti-semitism is its own problem. Don't go dragging a partisan blood feud into it.




The 'liberals are anti-semites' accusation seems to be a talking point these days amongst some cons. According to G-man's article things are getting better, with incidents of anti-semitism down. And using G-man's reasoning, the liberals should get the credit for that drop. (that is if we were using his argument logically )

On a serious, note I hate the tactic of smearing a broad group (like lib or con) with something terrible and then offer up fuzzy rationalizing.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-14 5:08 PM
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According to G-man's article things are getting better, with incidents of anti-semitism down. And using G-man's reasoning, the liberals should get the credit for that drop. (that is if we were using his argument logically




Using THAT type of logic, if crime goes down we should thank the criminals, not the police.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-14 5:23 PM
The Athens Banner Herald, on the other hand, reports that openly Christian university professors feel a bit out of sorts on the University of Georgia and other American campuses these days.

Several openly Christian professors tell the paper that it’s odd that they are considered eccentrics worthy of ridicule on campus when their views actually coincide with the majority of Americans. People who profess to be open-minded close shop when it comes to religion, they say, or at least some forms of religion.

"If supposedly open-minded intellectuals made the kind of remarks about people of Jewish faith that they make about Southern Baptists, they would be penalized, if not sued, for libel or slander, or denounced for their bigotry," English professor Jonathan Evans tells the paper.
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openly Christian university professors feel a bit out of sorts on the University of Georgia and other American campuses these days.




But it's not universal.

My friend, a Ph. D. molecular geneticist, was pursued by Miami of Ohio, my alma mater, for well over a year. My friend is a Conservative Catholic in the classic tradition of Indiana Republicans. EVERY OTHER PROFESSOR in the Zoology faculty at Miami is Liberal Democrat. Yet they wanted my friend, politics be damned.

Yet they wooed my friend so strongly that he finally couldn't turn them down with all they were offering him (as well as a chance to return to our hometown)...$$, tenure, on-campus perks, sports tickets, etc.

My friend may feel politically "out of sorts," but he's one solid piece of anecdotal evidence that any kind of "discrimination against Conservatives" is either overstated or fairly minor. And he's never expressed one iota of concern about how his politics will mesh with those of his new colleagues.
Fighting isolated examples with isolated examples is a surefire way to settle an argument... over the span of years.
Fighting isolated examples with isolated examples proves that you can find isolated examples of just about any kind of human behavior, good or bad.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-15 3:47 PM
From Diversity at Princeton:

    Princeton’s Middle East battle is quieter than Columbia’s, but in a way it’s no less important. At its center is Michael Doran, an assistant professor and protégé of Bernard Lewis who teaches the modern politics of the region in the university’s Near Eastern Studies department.

    Last spring, Doran was up for tenure, but the university chose to defer his consideration because he was invited to serve as the chairman of a new program at Brandeis. (He declined the offer.)

    Doran is well-credentialed. His students rave about his classes, and Middle East experts outside of the American academy — such as Kramer and the Shalem Center’s Michael Oren, author of Six Days of War — speak highly of him. (Kramer and Oren, like Doran, studied at Princeton. Oren calls Doran “a gift to the field.”) He’s written widely noted articles in Foreign Affairs and other popular publications, and has served as a consultant to the U.S. government on matters Middle Eastern.

    He also happens to be politically to the right — and unapologetic about it. In a field dominated by anti-Western dogmatism, Doran stands out for his political inclinations, his unusual analyses (particularly for a Middle East scholar these days), and his popularity. It’s hardly shocking that some professors, likely guided by both politics and jealousy, would hope to prevent his further rise


    The fact that he is not only a serious and right-leaning scholar but also a popular and influential one means that, if he sticks around, Princeton will be even less likely to succumb to trendy approaches in lieu of rigorous scholarship. As Martin Kramer puts it, "The attack on [Doran] comes from the very far-left 'popular front' that has squelched diversity in Middle Eastern studies for the last 20 years. They'd like every place to be a Columbia or NYU or Berkeley — they regard the existence of even one pocket of diversity as a mortal threat." (Columbia professor Rashid Khalidi's recent decision to apply for a position at Princeton's Transregional Institute suggests the battle may have just been ratcheted up a notch.)
I just came across this, and thought it might be interesting. The subtitle of “crybaby conservatives” is too inflammatory for my liking, but the actual article is interesting and possibly valid points are made in between the assaults, if you’re willing to read them. So read it carefully. It's kinda long, but I'd rather post a complete article so that nothing is taken out of contest.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050404&c=1&s=jacoby

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The New PC
Crybaby Conservatives

by Russell Jacoby

The Yale student did not like what he heard. Sociologists derided religion and economists damned corporations. One professor pre-emptively rejected the suggestion that "workers on public relief be denied the franchise." "I propose, simply, to expose," wrote the young author in a booklong denunciation, one of "the most extraordinary incongruities of our time. Under the "protective label 'academic freedom,'" the institution that derives its "moral and financial support from Christian individualists then addresses itself to the task of persuading the sons of these supporters to be atheistic socialists."

For William F. Buckley Jr., author of the 1951 polemic God and Man at Yale: The Superstitions of "Academic Freedom" and a founder of modern American conservatism, the solution to this scandal was straightforward: Fire the wanton professors. No freedom would be abridged. The socialist professor could "seek employment at a college that was interested in propagating socialism." None around? No problem. The market has spoken. The good professor can retool or move on.

Buckley's book can be situated as a salvo in the McCarthyite attack on the universities. Indeed, even as a Yale student, Buckley maintained cordial relationships with New Haven FBI agents, and at the time of the book's publication he worked for the CIA. Buckley was neither the first nor the last to charge that teachers were misleading or corrupting students. At the birth of Western culture, a teacher called Socrates was executed for filling "young people's heads with the wrong ideas." In the twentieth century, clamor about subversive American professors has come in waves, cresting around World War I, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and today. The earlier assaults can be partially explained by the political situation. Authorities descended upon professors who questioned America's entry into World War I, sympathized with the new Russian Revolution or inclined toward communism during the cold war.

Today the situation is different. The fear during the cold war, however trumped up, that professors served America's enemies could claim a patina of plausibility insofar as some teachers identified themselves as communists or socialists. With communism dead, leftism moribund and liberalism wounded, the fear of international subversion no longer threatens. Even the most rabid critics do not accuse professors of being on the payroll of Al Qaeda or other Islamist extremists. Moreover, conservatives command the presidency, Congress, the courts, major news outlets and the majority of corporations; they appear to have the country comfortably in their pocket. What fuels their rage, then? What fuels the persistent charges that professors are misleading the young?

A few factors might be adduced, but none are completely convincing. One is the age-old anti-intellectualism of conservatives. Conservatives distrust unregulated intellectuals. Forty years ago McCarthyism spurred Richard Hofstadter to write his classic Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. In addition, a basic insecurity plagues conservatives today, a fear that their reign will be short or a gnawing doubt about their legitimacy. Dissenting voices cannot be tolerated, because they imply that a conservative future may not last forever. One Noam Chomsky is one too many. Angst besets the triumphant conservatives. Those who purge Darwin from America's schools must yell in order to drown out their own misgivings, the inchoate realization that they are barking at the moon.

Today's accusations against subversive professors differ from those of the past in several respects. In a sign of the times, the test for disloyalty has shifted far toward the center. Once an unreliable professor meant an anarchist or communist; now it includes Democrats. Soon it will be anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. Second, the charges do not (so far) come from government committees investigating un-American activities but from conservative commentators and their student minions. A series of groups such as Campus Watch, Academic Bias and Students for Academic Freedom enlist students to monitor and publicize professorial conduct. Third, the new charges are advanced not against but in the name of academic freedom or a variant of it; and, in the final twist, the new conservative critics seem driven by an ethos that they have adopted from liberalism: affirmative action and a sense of victimhood, which they officially detest.

Conservatives complain relentlessly that they do not get a fair shake in the university, and they want parity--that is, more conservatives on faculties. Conservatives are lonely on American campuses as well as beleaguered and misunderstood. News that tenured poets vote Democratic or that Kerry received far more money from professors than Bush pains them. They want America's faculties to reflect America's political composition. Of course, they do not address such imbalances in the police force, Pentagon, FBI, CIA and other government outfits where the stakes seem far higher and where, presumably, followers of Michael Moore are in short supply. If life were a big game of Monopoly, one might suggest a trade to these conservatives: You give us one Pentagon, one Department of State, Justice and Education, plus throw in the Supreme Court, and we will give you every damned English department you want.

Conservatives claim that studies show an outrageous number of liberals on university faculties and increasing political indoctrination or harassment of conservative students. In fact, only a very few studies have been made, and each is transparently limited or flawed. The most publicized investigations amateurishly correlate faculty departmental directories with local voter registration lists to show a heavy preponderance of Democrats. What this demonstrates about campus life and politics is unclear. Yet these findings are endlessly cited and cross-referenced as if by now they confirm a tiresome truth: leftist domination of the universities. A column by George Will affects a world-weariness in commenting on a recent report. "The great secret is out: Liberals dominate campuses. Coming soon: 'Moon Implicated in Tides, Studies Find.'"

The most careful study is "How Politically Diverse Are the Social Sciences and Humanities?" Conducted by California economist Daniel Klein and Swedish social scientist Charlotta Stern, it has been trumpeted by many conservatives as a corrective to the hit-and-miss efforts of previous inquiries by going directly to the source. The researchers sent out almost 5,500 questionnaires to professors in six disciplines in order to tabulate their political orientation. A whopping 70 percent of the recipients did what any normal person would do when receiving an unsolicited fourteen-page survey over the signature of an assistant dean at a small California business school: They tossed it. With just 17 percent of their initial pool remaining after the researchers made additional exclusions, some unastounding findings emerged. Thirty times as many anthropologists voted Democratic as voted Republican; for sociologists the ratio was almost the same. For economists, however, it sank to three to one. On average these professors voted Democratic over Republican fifteen to one.

What does it show that fifty-four philosophy professors admitted to voting Democratic regularly and only four to voting Republican? Does a Democratic vote reveal a dangerous philosophical or campus leftism? Are Democrats more likely to deceive students? Proselytize them? Harass them? Steal library books? Must they be neutralized by Republican professors, who are free of these vices? This study opens by quoting the conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks on the loneliness of campus conservatives and closes by bemoaning the "one-party system" of faculties. Nonleftist voices are "muffled and fearful," the researchers say. They do not, however, present a scintilla of information to confirm this. It is not a minor point. No matter how well tuned, studies of professorial voting habits reveal nothing of campus policies or practices.

The notion that faculties should politically mirror the US population derives from an affirmative action argument about the underrepresentation of African-Americans, Latinos or women in certain areas. Conservatives now add political orientation, based on voting behavior, to the mix. "In the U.S. population in general, Left and Right are roughly equal (1 to 1)," Klein and Stern lecture us, but in social science and humanities faculties "clearly the non-Left points of view have been marginalized." This is "clearly" not true, or at least it is not obvious what constitutes a "non-Left" point of view in art history or linguistics. In any event, why stop with left and right? Why not add religion to the underrepresentation violation? Perhaps Klein, the lead researcher, should explore Jewish and Christian affiliation among professors. A survey would probably show that Jews, 1.3 percent of the population, are seriously overrepresented in economics and sociology (as well as other fields). Isn't it likely that Jews marginalize Christianity in their classes? Shouldn't this be corrected? Shouldn't 76 percent of American faculty be Christian?

The Klein study and others like it focus on the humanities and social sciences. Conservatives seem little interested in exploring the political orientation of engineering professors or biogeneticists. The more important the field, in terms of money, resources and political clout, the less conservatives seem exercised by it. At many universities the medical and science buildings, to say nothing of the business faculties or the sports complexes, tower over the humanities. I teach at UCLA. The history professors are housed in cramped quarters of a decaying Modernist structure. Our classiest facility is a conference room that could pass as generic space in any downtown motel. The English professors inhabit what appears to be an aging elementary school outfitted with minuscule offices. A hop away is a different world. The UCLA Anderson School of Management boasts its own spanking-new buildings, plush seminar rooms, spacious lecture halls with luxurious seats, an "executive dining room" and--gold in California--reserved parking facilities. Conservatives seem unconcerned about the political orientation of the business professors. Shouldn't half be Democrats and at least a few be Trotskyists?

Another recent study heralded as proving leftist campus domination was sponsored by the conservative American Council of Trustees and Alumni; it sought to document not the political orientation of professors but, more decisively, the political intimidation of students by faculty. Claiming an "error rate of plus or minus four," the sponsors assert that their study demonstrates widespread indoctrination, that almost 50 percent of students report that professors "use the classroom to present their personal political views." According to the sponsor, "The ACTA survey clearly shows that faculty are injecting politics into the classroom in ways that students believe infringe upon their freedom to learn."

Closer examination of the study reveals dubious methodology. Most questions were asked in a way that nearly dictated one answer. Students were asked if they "somewhat agree" that "some" professors did this or that. A key statement ran: "On my campus, some professors use the classroom to present their personal political views." And the possible responses ran from "Strongly agree" and "Somewhat agree" to "Somewhat disagree" and "Strongly disagree." Of the 658 students polled, 10 percent answered "Strongly agree" and 36 percent "Somewhat agree," which yields the almost 50 percent figure that appeared in headlines claiming half of American students are subject to political indoctrination.

Yet the statement is too imprecise to negate. Asked whether "some" professors on campus--somewhere or sometime--interject extraneous politics, most students (36 percent) respond that they "Somewhat agree." That is the intelligent and safe answer: "somewhat" agreeing that "some" professors misuse politics. To partially or even completely negate the statement would imply that no professors ever mishandled politics. Yet a vague assent to a vague assertion only yields twice as much vagueness. The statement does not so much inquire whether the student him- or herself directly experienced professors misusing politics, which might be more revealing. Yet these murky findings are heralded as proof of campus totalitarianism.

These scattered studies are only part of the story. A series of articles, books and organizations have taken up the cause of leftist campus domination. An outfit called Students for Academic Freedom, with the credo "You can't get a good education if they're only telling you half the story," is sponsored by the conservative activist David Horowitz and boasts 150 campus chapters. It monitors slights, insults and occasionally more serious infractions that students suffer or believe they suffer. The organization provides an online "complaint" form, where disgruntled students check a category such as "Mocked national political or religious figures" (mocking local figures is presumably acceptable) or "Required readings or texts covering only one side of issues" and then provide details.

At the organization's website the interested visitor can keep abreast of the latest outrages as well as troll through hundreds of complaints in the Academic Freedom Complaint Center. Most listings concern professors' comments that supposedly malign patriotic or family values; for instance, under "Introduced Controversial Material" a student complained that in a lecture on Reconstruction the professor noted how much he disliked Bush and the Iraq War. A very few complaints raise more serious issues, and some of these are pursued by other Horowitz publications or are seized on by conservative columnists and sometimes by the national news services. A Kuwaiti student who defends the Iraq War recounts that he fell afoul of a leftist professor in a government class, who directed him to seek psychological counseling. "Apparently, if you are an Arab Muslim who loves America you must be deranged." To his credit, Horowitz's online journal also ran a story from the same college about a student who was penalized after he defended abortion in an ethics class conducted by a strident prolifer [for background on Horowitz, see Scott Sherman, "David Horowitz's Long March," July 3, 2000].

Virtually all "cases" reported to the Academic Freedom Abuse Center deal with leftist political comments or leftist assigned readings. To use the idiom of right-wing commentators, we see here the emergence of crybaby conservatives, who demand a judicial remedy, guaranteed safety and representation. Convinced that conservatives are mistreated on American campuses, Horowitz has championed a solution, a bill detailing "academic freedom" of students; the proposed law has already been introduced in several state legislatures. Until recently, if the notion of academic freedom for students had any currency, it referred to their right to profess and publish ideas on and off campus.

Horowitz takes the traditional academic freedom that insulated professors from political interference and extends it to students. As a former leftist, Horowitz has the gift of borrowing from the enemy. His "academic bill of rights" talks the language of diversity; it insists that students need to hear all sides and it refashions a "political correctness" for conservatives, who, it turns out, are at least as prickly as any other group when it comes to perceived slights. After years of decrying the "political correctness police," thin-skinned conservatives have joined in; they want their own ideological wardens to enforce intellectual conformity.
hile some propositions of the academic bill of rights are unimpeachable (for example, students should not be graded "on the basis of their political or religious beliefs"), academic freedom extended to students easily turns it into the end of freedom for teachers. In a rights society students have the right to hear all sides of all subjects all the time. "Curricula and reading lists," says principle number four of Horowitz's academic bill of rights, "should reflect the uncertainty and unsettled character of all human knowledge" and provide "students with dissenting sources and viewpoints where appropriate."

"Where appropriate" is the kicker, but the consequences for teachers are clear enough from perusing the "abuses" that Students for Academic Freedom lists or that Horowitz plays up in his columns. For instance, Horowitz lambastes a course called Modern Industrial Societies, which uses as its sole text a 500-page leftist anthology, Modernity: An Introduction to Modern Societies. This is a benign book published by a mainstream press, yet under the academic bill of rights the professor could be hauled before authorities to explain such a flagrant violation. If not fired, he or she could be commanded to assign a 500-page anthology published by the Free Enterprise Institute. Another "abuse" occurred in an introductory class, Peace Studies and Conflict Resolution, where military approaches were derided. A student complained that "the only studying of conflict resolution that we did was to enforce the idea that non-violent means were the only legitimate sources of self-defense." This was "indoctrination," not education. Presumably the professor of "peace studies" should be ordered to give equal time to "war studies." By this principle, should the United States Army War College be required to teach pacifism?

In the name of intellectual diversity and students' rights, many courses could be challenged. A course on Freud would have to include anti-Freudians; a course on religion, atheists; a course on mysticism, the rationalists. The academic bill of rights seeks to impose some limits by restricting diversity to "significant scholarly viewpoints." Yet this is a porous shield. Once the right to decide the content of courses is extended to students, the Holocaust deniers, creationists and conspiracy addicts will come knocking at the door--and indeed they already have.

The bill of rights for students and the allied conservative watchdog groups that monitor lectures and book assignments represent the reinvention of the old un-American activities committees in the age of diversity and rights. The witch hunt has become democratized. Students for Academic Freedom counsels its members that when they come across an "abuse" like "controversial material" in a course, they should "write down the date, class and name of the professor," "accumulate a list of incidents or quotes," obtain witnesses and lodge a complaint. Rights are supposed to preserve freedoms, but here the opposite would occur. Professors would become more claustrophobic and cautious. They would offer fewer "controversial" ideas. Assignments would become blander.
More leftists undoubtedly inhabit institutions of higher education than they do the FBI or the Pentagon or local police and fire departments, about which conservatives seem little concerned, but who or what says every corner of society should reflect the composition of the nation at large? Nothing has shown that higher education discriminates against conservatives, who probably apply in smaller numbers than liberals. Conservatives who pursue higher degrees may prefer to slog away as junior partners in law offices rather than as assistant professors in English departments. Does an "overrepresentation" of Democratic anthropologists mean Republican anthropologists have been shunted aside? Does an "overrepresentation" of Jewish lawyers and doctors mean non-Jews have been excluded?

Higher education in America is a vast enterprise boasting roughly a million professors. A certain portion of these teachers are incompetents and frauds; some are rabid patriots and fundamentalists--and some are ham-fisted leftists. All should be upbraided if they violate scholarly or teaching norms. At the same time, a certain portion of the 15 million students they teach are fanatics and crusaders. The effort, in the name of rights, to shift decisions about lectures and assignments from professors to students marks a backward step: the emergence of the thought police on skateboards. At its best, education is inherently controversial and tendentious. While this truth can serve as an excuse for gross violations, the remedy for unbalanced speech is not less speech but more. If college students can vote and go to war, they can also protest or drop courses without enlisting the new commissars of intellectual diversity.


Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-28 10:05 PM
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-28 11:44 PM
G-Man, you gonna send your kids to college?
Posted By: PaulWellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 12:35 AM
Darknight, did you send G-Man a private message of "here it comes" or "stand by for news" before you posted that article? As if the article were some weapon in an ideological and personal war??

Just wondering if G-Man was the only one who engaged in such childish nonsense.
Posted By: PaulWellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 12:38 AM
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Jim Jackson said:
G-Man, you gonna send your kids to college?




There are far right colleges you know. Bob Jones University for one. Where they can boast that just recently did they join the age of Enlightenment and allowed little black boys to hold the hands of little white girls.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 12:42 AM
I just thought it a good question to post to G-Man, who appears to be operating on something akin to a crusade against Liberalism in the Universities.
Posted By: PaulWellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 12:51 AM
I think the idea of having right-wing creationist paleontologists and geologists who would approach their fields with the prejudiced viewpoint of the earth being 6000 years old and devoid of dinousaurs to be the stuff of a potentially decent SNL skit.
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PaulWellr said:
Darknight, did you send G-Man a private message of "here it comes" or "stand by for news" before you posted that article? As if the article were some weapon in an ideological and personal war??




No. I don't use articles or information as weapons, and I don't engage in ideaological warfare.
Posted By: PaulWellr Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 1:08 AM
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Darknight613 said:
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PaulWellr said:
Darknight, did you send G-Man a private message of "here it comes" or "stand by for news" before you posted that article? As if the article were some weapon in an ideological and personal war??




No. I don't use articles or information as weapons, and I don't engage in ideaological warfare.




That's very big and mature of you.

Of course though now I realize it was an unfair question. I'd be more appropriate to ask Wednesday if he behaves like that, seeing he's the lib moderator to G-Man's con.
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Darknight613 said:
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PaulWellr said:
Darknight, did you send G-Man a private message of "here it comes" or "stand by for news" before you posted that article? As if the article were some weapon in an ideological and personal war??




No. I don't use articles or information as weapons, and I don't engage in ideaological warfare.




That's very big and mature of you.

Of course though now I realize it was an unfair question. I'd be more appropriate to ask Wednesday if he behaves like that, seeing he's the lib moderator to G-Man's con.




Y'know there ARE people who may be able to make a decent case against G for demonizing the opposition, but you aren't one of them.
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PaulWellr said:
Darknight, did you send G-Man a private message of "here it comes" or "stand by for news" before you posted that article? As if the article were some weapon in an ideological and personal war??

Just wondering if G-Man was the only one who engaged in such childish nonsense.




Oh and if G-Man does that before posting articles, that's pretty funny. It also implies that he WANTS both sides represented in the thread.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 6:16 PM
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Jim Jackson said:
G-Man, you gonna send your kids to college?




Yeah, my oldest goes next year.

Which one might argue makes me a "customer" and, therefore, someone who has as much right to bitch about what I see as a problem with the "product" or "service" as any other customer.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 6:19 PM
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wannabuyamonkey said:
Oh and if G-Man does that before posting articles, that's pretty funny. It also implies that he WANTS both sides represented in the thread.




Yeah, in fact, I actually have PM'd people on the left in the past and ASKED for thread topics that are from a liberal, if thoughtful, perspective.

I'm not sure why Paul is so PO'd that I actually warned him I was going to post something that contradicted his points. But perhaps that's another topic.
Posted By: PJP Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 6:23 PM
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the G-man said:
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Jim Jackson said:
G-Man, you gonna send your kids to college?




Yeah, my oldest goes next year.

Which one might argue makes me a "customer" and, therefore, someone who has as much right to bitch about what I see as a problem with the "product" or "service" as any other customer.


I have seen some ugly episodes from liberal profs......it will probably be my biggest concern (that and paying for the shit) when my kids go to college.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 6:26 PM
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PaulWellr said:
I think the idea of having right-wing creationist paleontologists and geologists who would approach their fields with the prejudiced viewpoint of the earth being 6000 years old and devoid of dinousaurs to be the stuff of a potentially decent SNL skit.




I agree.

But that's a completely simplistic view of the type of "conservative" thought that could, and should, be allowed at universities and apparently isn't.

There is legitimate conservative thought in the areas of ecnomics, politics, etc., that apparently-at least according to the examples cited in this thread-is being given the short shrift simply due to idealogical biases and a prejudiced viewpoint amoungst the tenured faculty.

And, of course, there's this question: How, for example, is the scenario you just made up any more bigoted and ignorant than left wing poli-sci professors who approach their fields with the prejudiced viewpoint that Soviet style communisim got a bad rap or that the victims of 9/11 were "little Eichmanns" who deserved to die for the US's alleged "sins"?

Answer: it isn't. And that's why this is an issue.
Posted By: Pariah Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 7:08 PM
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PaulWellr said:
I think the idea of having right-wing creationist paleontologists and geologists who would approach their fields with the prejudiced viewpoint of the earth being 6000 years old and devoid of dinousaurs to be the stuff of a potentially decent SNL skit.




It'd be even more worthy if this statement itself wasn't prejuidiced (not to mention ignorant).
But it WAS funny....
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 11:49 PM
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Animalman said:
I think the stereotype that all universities are liberal is complete bullshit




Even the Washington Post appears to disagree:

    College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.

    By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

    The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.

    "What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals."

    The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available.


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Jim Jackson said:
Show me that *anybody's* discriminating against anybody else. I still don't see it.




    Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening."


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Jim Jackson said:
Colleges and univserities have historically been Liberal institutions.




    Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal.


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Jim Jackson said:
My friend, a Ph. D. molecular geneticist, was pursued by Miami of Ohio, my alma mater, for well over a year. My friend is a Conservative Catholic in the classic tradition of Indiana Republicans. EVERY OTHER PROFESSOR in the Zoology faculty at Miami is Liberal Democrat. Yet they wanted my friend, politics be damned.

Yet they wooed my friend so strongly that he finally couldn't turn them down with all they were offering him (as well as a chance to return to our hometown)...$$, tenure, on-campus perks, sports tickets, etc.

My friend may feel politically "out of sorts," but he's one solid piece of anecdotal evidence that any kind of "discrimination against Conservatives" is either overstated or fairly minor. And he's never expressed one iota of concern about how his politics will mesh with those of his new colleagues.




    Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female.

    The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities.



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If conservatives don't want to be college professors while liberals do, why is that the fault of liberals?




    "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective."
Posted By: Darknight613 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 11:55 PM
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the G-man said:
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Darkknight613 said:
If conservatives don't want to be college professors while liberals do, why is that the fault of liberals?




    "In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective."





How does that answer my question about whether or not conservatives want to be college professors? Or my question about why is it the fault of liberals that conservatives don't want to be college professors?
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-29 11:58 PM
The article says (see above) that conservatives want to teach, but are unable to get work.
Posted By: Darknight613 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-30 12:15 AM
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the G-man said:
The article says (see above) that conservatives want to teach, but are unable to get work.




Maybe it's because you chopped up the article in your initial post, but I couldn't find anything to prove that, even when I went to the link.

Also, a few things to keep in mind.

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The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform.




I'm sure some people would understand my questioning the validity of research from any group with an apparent slant, left or right.

Also...

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Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary."




"Possible" and "most likely" as in not 100% certain that's what's going on, and "preliminary" as in the research might not be complete yet.

As for personal observations, can he provide details?

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The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities.




Relegated by whom, and why? Is there any evidence that proves it's because of political affiliation?

And again, I couldn't find anything about conservatives wanting to be teachers and being denied employment just ebcause of political affiliation. Nor could I find anything to indicate that liberals are being favored over conservatives only based on political affiliation.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-30 12:41 AM
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the G-man said:
The article says (see above) that conservatives want to teach, but are unable to get work.




Well, I've already provided anecdotal evidence of my very Conservative friend being vigorously pursued for professorial and reserach work at Miami U.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-30 12:51 AM
Perhaps you need to argue for affirmative action for Conservative professors. I'm sure millions will take up the cause...
Posted By: rex Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-30 12:54 AM
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Jim Jackson said:
Perhaps you need to argue for affirmative action for Conservative professors. I'm sure millions will take up the cause...




http://www.rkmbs.com/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/464238/an/0/page/0#464238
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-03-30 4:12 PM
Faculty and students at the University of Toronto titled this open letter: In defense of academic freedom. But read it, and you’ll discover that to these people, “academic freedom” means stopping Daniel Pipes from speaking.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-04-30 9:39 PM
From Ithaca College comes the news of a professor that calls a student newspaper "racist" for not giving a "tolerance" rally enough coverage:

ITHACA, NY—Another college newspaper was stolen and thrown out to protest its “racist” coverage earlier this month.

According to published reports, “hundreds” of copies of the April 21 edition of the Ithacan, the official student newspaper of Ithaca College, were stolen and thrown out that evening.

One of the thieves was later identified, reports indicate. “She said she had been upset with the paper for …what she saw as the lack of coverage of the Erase the Hate rally,” the Ithacan editors reported.


The “Erase the Hate” rally was a billed as a response to a series of “racial slurs” that were written in various places all around Ithaca College earlier in April. “These incidents were preceded by bias-related incidents against Asians, African-Americans and women in February and March,” the Cornell Daily Sun reported.

The student was not the only person on campus who attacked the paper for not giving the rally “sufficient” coverage, the Ithacan noted:

One politics professor was described as “ranting and raving,” alleging the paper was “racist” because The Ithacan did not cover the rally in the print edition and instead covered it online. The paper covered the rally online with more than 30 photos so that students could read about the event that day, rather than waiting a full week.


Ironically, prior to the newspaper theft, organizers of the “Erase the Hate” rally had reportedly billed the event as a way to “look for solutions to deal with intolerance” on the Ithaca campus.


“Newspaper theft is a crime in New York state. The loss of hundreds of copies means lost printing costs, labor costs and revenue from ads readers never saw. It also robs other students of the opportunity to be informed,” the Ithacan reported.

The same month that hundreds of newspapers were stolen on campus, a single “gay pride” flag was also stolen from a flagpole at Ithaca College.

Unlike the theft of the newspapers, the theft of the gay pride flag has generated intense local coverage, both on and off campus, with calls for the perpetrators to be prosecuted.

Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-05-19 6:44 AM
Writing in the American Spectator, former Cornell instructor David French describes discrimination, or attempted discrimination, against conservatives and evangelical Christians at an Ivy League law school:


    We hear a lot these days about the importance of diversity in ensuring that ideas are heard fairly. But the individuals who are most insistent about this are interested only in racial and sex diversity. Intellectual and ideological diversity is not what the enforcers of political correctness on campuses and other sectors have in mind.

    ...When I applied to teach at Cornell Law School, an interviewer noticed my evangelical background and asked, "How is it possible for you to effectively teach gay students?"

    If I had not given what I consider to be, in all modesty, an absolutely brilliant answer to the question, I don't think I would have gotten the job.

    I sat in admissions committee meetings at Cornell in which African-American students who expressed conservative points of view were disfavored because "they had not taken ownership of their racial identity."

    An evangelical student was almost rejected before I pointed out that the reviewer's statement that "they did not want Bible-thumping or God-squading on campus" was illegal and immoral.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-05-23 4:55 PM
Admittedly, I don't know if this professor is liberal or not, but I'm willing to hazard a guess...

Top prof sparks outrage, Devout are 'moral retards,' he sez:

    A Brooklyn College professor who called religious people "moral retards" was elected to head his department this month - sparking a campus uproar.

    E-mails expressing alarm that Timothy Shortell was now chairman of the sociology department circulated among students last week on the school's Midwood campus.

    Shortell has written in an online academic publication that the devout "are an ugly, violent lot. In the name of their faith, these moral retards are running around pointing fingers."

    "I'm horrified by the ideology of Prof. Shortell," said Eldad Yaron, a Brooklyn College senior.

    "This person has control right now on the content of many classes every student will take. Just imagine how fair and balanced these classes will be."

    Daniel Tauber, president-elect of the school's student government, said he was worried that Shortell and other faculty members would breed religious intolerance at the diverse college.

    "I would like to see professors in high positions who don't believe religious people are moral retards," Tauber said.

    Shortell's remarks - which included lines such as "Christians claim that theirs is faith based on love, but they'll just as soon kill you" - elicited a multifaith backlash among university groups.

    "He's intolerant," fumed Alex Selsky of the school's Hillel chapter, a Jewish campus organization. "With this kind of unreasonable thinking, I don't know how he can be elected to head of a department."

    Kevin Oro-Hahn, director of the school's InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, said he hopes the university can "move beyond mere rhetoric in the pursuit of truth."

    A college spokesman said there's little CUNY officials can do.

    "Whether one agrees with Dr. Shortell's comments, this is an election as mandated by university guidelines," he said. "His comments are public, but this is the decision of the sociology department."
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-02 2:56 AM
The New York Sun says aspiring teachers who attend Brooklyn College in New York are being evaulated based on their politics and a commitment to "social justice."

The School of Education at the CUNY campus has initiated a new method of judging teacher candidates based on their "dispositions," a term critics say is being used to judge students based on how closely their political views coincide with those of the teacher.

As an example of the potential for abuse, the paper says students in a required language course who challenged assistant professor Priya Parmar's assertion that standard English is the language of oppressors while Ebonics is the language of the oppressed were accused of "bullying" their professor and given lower grades
Posted By: magicjay38 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-02 11:35 PM
A few thoughts on the discussion. Where can the study be found in it's original report form describing sample and analytical methodologies?

If you look at a university that is comprised of of several different colleges you will probably find that liberals predominate in some while conservatives predominate in others. Even within a college the various discaplines attract different sorts of people. Where I went the economics dept. shared a building with sociology and poli sci depts. There was certainly no shortage of conservatives in the economics dept. The sociology students thouhgt of us as jack booted thugs. All of us were part of the School of Social & Behavioral Sciences. The School of Business probably wasn't lacking conservatives either.

Is regular church attendance solely the domain of conservatives? I know many liberals who attend church service quite regularly. The Grand Puubah of conservatives, Ronald Reagan, was not a church goer. I doubt many of the top officials in his administration were either. Someone mentioned it was evangelical Christians that suffered discrimination. The same is not true of mainline denominations and Catholics? They all worship the same dead carpenter from Galalei, don't they?

Passion runs high in university life. The paper was always criticized for being too conservative when I was in school and it seems that hasn't changed. It's a schoolyard after all. Sometimes the kids play rough.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 4:27 AM

If you check earlier in the thread, you'll see citations to studies that indicate there are very few conservative professors even within a university that is comprised of of several different colleges with various discaplines.
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the G-man said:

If you check earlier in the thread, you'll see citations to studies that indicate there are very few conservative professors even within a university that is comprised of of several different colleges with various discaplines.



well, that's obvious. Oppressing people takes up a lot of time. Do you think Pat Buchanan and Anne Coulter have time to teach?
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 4:34 AM
If your theory was accurate, wouldn't Buchanan and Coulter want to teach, given the potential to oppress students, while enjoying a high paying tenured job?
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the G-man said:
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As an example of the potential for abuse, the paper says students in a required language course who challenged assistant professor Priya Parmar's assertion that standard English is the language of oppressors while Ebonics is the language of the oppressed were accused of "bullying" their professor and given lower grades




Isn't it possible that the students were bullying their professor?
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 5:20 AM
Anything's possible, but given the presumed power balance in any teacher student relationship, it would seem highly unlikely
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r3x29yz4a said:
well, that's obvious. Oppressing people takes up a lot of time. Do you think Pat Buchanan and Anne Coulter have time to teach?




Clever.
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Captain Sammitch said:

Clever.




predictable.
Posted By: magicjay38 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 7:18 PM
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the G-man said:
If your theory was accurate, wouldn't Buchanan and Coulter want to teach, given the potential to oppress students, while enjoying a high paying tenured job?




I've never met anyone that went into academia because the money is so good. Do you think there are any tenured professors that bring down the kind of dough Coulter and Buchanan do? How many professors make 6 figures? Very few.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 7:21 PM
Lawrence Tribe, Alan Dershowitz and/or Carl Sagan (to name just three college professors) probably make/made as much or more than Buchanan and/or Coulter.

So why wouldn't Pat and Ann want the additional benefit of the academic position?
Posted By: magicjay38 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 8:35 PM
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the G-man said:
Lawrence Tribe, Alan Dershowitz and/or Carl Sagan (to name just three college professors) probably make/made as much or more than Buchanan and/or Coulter.

So why wouldn't Pat and Ann want the additional benefit of the academic position?




Carl Sagan is dead, so he doesn't make anything. Alan Dershowitz derives a sizable piece of his compensation from book sales, consulting fees, etc. not his salary from Harvard. Had he opted for a partnership at Cravath, Swaine & Moore he would probably be a far wealthier man today. While the average salary for a tenured professor at Harvard is about $160M (AAUP Salary survey 2004-05) nation wide a law professor makes closer to $112M. Law is the highest paid academic discipline. Full professors in other fields make $85M on average. What's the starting salary of a junior associate at a large law firm? The people you mentioned are 'stars' in their field and derive extra income from non-academic activities. They are hardly representative of the academic community as a whole.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 8:44 PM
But that's my point: wouldn't a Coulter or a Buchanan be a "star" at any college, while still being able to make millions as pundits? So why wouldn't they want the additional security and/or prestige of being professors?
Posted By: magicjay38 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 9:03 PM
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the G-man said:
But that's my point: wouldn't a Coulter or a Buchanan be a "star" at any college, while still being able to make millions as pundits? So why wouldn't they want the additional security and/or prestige of being professors?




My point was that a tenured professor doesn't make that much money (at least not by urban California standards). Very few will have the opportunity to become a Sagan or Derschowitz. As for Coulter, can you honestly tell me you're impressed with her legal skills? Would you want her to be negotiating that big deal you're working. Her talents are best suited to what she does now. Having a brilliant legal mind isn't her strong point.
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But that's my point: wouldn't a Coulter or a Buchanan be a "star" at any college, while still being able to make millions as pundits? So why wouldn't they want the additional security and/or prestige of being professors?




My point was that a tenured professor doesn't make that much money (at least not by urban California standards). Very few will have the opportunity to become a Sagan or Derschowitz. As for Coulter, can you honestly tell me you're impressed with her legal skills? Would you want her to be negotiating that big deal you're working. Her talents are best suited to what she does now. Having a brilliant legal mind isn't her strong point.




Are you saying that all conservitives automatically make Coulter cash just because they're conservitives. Conservitives do all kids of things, they're janitors window cleaners CEOs teachers and mail-men.
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Clever.




predictable.




I like pie!
Posted By: Pit Pat Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 9:31 PM
I like your mom's pie.
Posted By: magicjay38 Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 10:46 PM
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magicjay38 said:
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the G-man said:
But that's my point: wouldn't a Coulter or a Buchanan be a "star" at any college, while still being able to make millions as pundits? So why wouldn't they want the additional security and/or prestige of being professors?




My point was that a tenured professor doesn't make that much money (at least not by urban California standards). Very few will have the opportunity to become a Sagan or Derschowitz. As for Coulter, can you honestly tell me you're impressed with her legal skills? Would you want her to be negotiating that big deal you're working. Her talents are best suited to what she does now. Having a brilliant legal mind isn't her strong point.




Are you saying that all conservitives automatically make Coulter cash just because they're conservitives. Conservitives do all kids of things, they're janitors window cleaners CEOs teachers and mail-men.




Of course you realize your statement makes no sense in the context of the discussion.
Speaking of elitists

Let me explain exacly how it fits into the conversation r3x made a joke about conservitives not going into teaching because they couldn't oppress people G-Man said that if Coulter and Buchanan wanted to opress people it would help them if they were profs. You said that profs didn't make good money, G-Man sited examples of ones who did you said they were a small % of profs and i was just pointing out that Coulter and Buchanan were a small % of conservitives and that plenty of conservitives would appreciate the money made by a prof.
Posted By: klinton Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 11:04 PM
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wannabuyamonkey said:
plenty of conservitives would appreciate the money made by a prof.




Conservatives, by thier nature really aren't capable of climbing the economic ladder. The very fact that they are conservative belies the fact that they lack the faculties to adabt and progress.
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plenty of conservitives would appreciate the money made by a prof.




Conservatives, by thier nature really aren't capable of climbing the economic ladder. The very fact that they are conservative belies the fact that they lack the faculties to adabt and progress.




I'd like to see 90% of liberals tell thier bosses that and then see who still has a job
Posted By: klinton Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 11:16 PM
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wannabuyamonkey said:
I'd like to see 90% of liberals tell thier bosses that and then see who still has a job




That's just a nieve assumption, and you know it. Look at the truely wealthy people...they are innovators and outsiders. Read up on the lives of the successful (I'd give examples, but I'd be accused of picking and choosing...so pick your own, randomly) and you'll see what they almost always have in common.

I'll go a step farther and toss out the fact that liberal minded people are more adjusted socially too. True conservatism is the product of limited exposure to other forces and realities. When someone is truly subjected to things outside of thier personal bubble, they learn to understand and adapt.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-03 11:19 PM
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the G-man said:
But that's my point: wouldn't a Coulter or a Buchanan be a "star" at any college, while still being able to make millions as pundits? So why wouldn't they want the additional security and/or prestige of being professors?




If they have spent any public time deriding the entire concept of academia as a liberal wasteland, what would that say about them should they decide to enter that wasteland?

They'd have a lot of explaining to do.
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I'd like to see 90% of liberals tell thier bosses that and then see who still has a job




That's just a nieve assumption, and you know it. Look at the truely wealthy people...they are innovators and outsiders. Read up on the lives of the successful (I'd give examples, but I'd be accused of picking and choosing...so pick your own, randomly) and you'll see what they almost always have in common.

I'll go a step farther and toss out the fact that liberal minded people are more adjusted socially too. True conservatism is the product of limited exposure to other forces and realities. When someone is truly subjected to things outside of thier personal bubble, they learn to understand and adapt.




I love how deeply we can read into labels invented and applied by opponents.
Posted By: klinton Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-04 1:28 AM
Huh?
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-04 1:45 AM

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the G-man said:
But that's my point: wouldn't a Coulter or a Buchanan be a "star" at any college, while still being able to make millions as pundits? So why wouldn't they want the additional security and/or prestige of being professors?



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Jim Jackson said:
If they have spent any public time deriding the entire concept of academia as a liberal wasteland, what would that say about them should they decide to enter that wasteland?

They'd have a lot of explaining to do.




Not at all. They could simply point out that they are trying to restore some balance to the field
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I'd like to see 90% of liberals tell thier bosses that and then see who still has a job




That's just a nieve assumption, and you know it. Look at the truely wealthy people...they are innovators and outsiders. Read up on the lives of the successful (I'd give examples, but I'd be accused of picking and choosing...so pick your own, randomly) and you'll see what they almost always have in common.

I'll go a step farther and toss out the fact that liberal minded people are more adjusted socially too. True conservatism is the product of limited exposure to other forces and realities. When someone is truly subjected to things outside of thier personal bubble, they learn to understand and adapt.




I guess it really depends on how you define conservitive. If you're trying to take the broad term "conserve" and applie it to all political conservitives then that just doesn't work. Alot of politically conservitive people are very progressive in thier ideas. Entrepenures statistically lean conservitive yet they are some of the most progress minded people there are. Technically if you're going to use such a wooden translation of the term conservitive then environmental conservation would be teh domian of the conservitive. As far as being well adjusted socially, again you're defining liberal as someone who's well adjusted socially so it's a no win semantics game.
Posted By: klinton Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-06-04 2:05 AM
Monkeyboy...can you do me a favor an tell me what exactly you mean when you distinguish between a 'political conservative' and a 'conservative person'. I've always approached these conversations as encoumpasing a persons outlook...but this isn't the first time I've seen one of you try to seperate someone's politics as something distinct from daily life (an idea that I'm not sure I'm following).
I'm not trying to seperate politics from personal life, I'm seperating the term conservitive. It has a lot of connotations and they don't alwayse go hand in hand. A simple example, a conserivitive dresser may not have a conservitive world view. A fiscal conservitive may be for tax reform even though "reform"is a progression and therefore reform is progressive.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-07-27 8:32 PM
On Campus, Only Some Free Speech Protected

    The publicly funded William Paterson University (search) in New Jersey reprimanded Jihad Daniel for discrimination and sexual harassment. The 63-year-old Daniel, who is both an employee and a student at the university, is now at the center of a free speech controversy.

    He is also a fine example of the sleight-of-hand being called "due process" by universities that quash politically incorrect speech.

    The facts are uncontested.

    On March 7, Arlene Holpp Scala (search), chair of the Women's Studies Department, sent Daniel an unsolicited e-mail announcement of an upcoming film event: "'Ruthie and Connie: Every Room in the House,' a lesbian relationship story." Scala advised those who wished to respond, "Please do not hit reply, click here," thus directing messages to her university e-mail address.

    On March 8, Daniel clicked to privately reply, "Do not send me any mail about 'Connie and Sally' and 'Adam and Steve.' These are perversions. The absence of God in higher education brings on confusion. That is why in these classes the Creator of the heavens and the earth is never mentioned." [His message is quoted in full. No other communication with Scala ensued.]

    On March 10, Scala filed a complaint with the university claiming Daniel's message sounded "threatening."

    "I don't want to feel threatened at my place of work," she explained.

    On June 15, university President Arnold Speert (search) issued a letter of reprimand, to be placed in Daniel's permanent employment file.

    The unsavory matter might have ended there, but the stakes were raised by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and by Peter C. Harvey, the attorney general of New Jersey.

    FIRE's mission is "to defend and sustain individual rights at America's increasingly repressive and partisan colleges and universities.

    "These rights include freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience."

    Greg Lukianoff of FIRE reminded Speert that his university, as a public institution, had a duty to protect the "constitutional rights of all its faculty, staff, and students … and that no federal, state, local, or university rule, policy, or regulation trumps the exercise" of those rights.

    Lukianoff flatly stated, "No one here was 'harassed' or 'threatened' as defined by the law." Instead, the university "simply strongly disliked a student's point of view."

    Interestingly, the first response to FIRE was not from Speert but from Attorney General Harvey, who replied "on behalf" of the university. Harvey said the penalty against Daniel would stand because, as an employee, he had violated New Jersey policies against discrimination, harassment and creating a hostile environment in the workplace.

    Several aspects of the entire exchange are interesting.

    First, the entire weight of the state's legal authority is being directed at quashing Daniel's personal response to an unsolicited e-mail — an e-mail that invited feedback by instructing recipients on how best to do so. The university obviously feels the need to draw a big gun on this little man.

    Second, Lukianoff refers to Daniel as a student; both Speert and Harvey call him an employee. Daniel is legitimately both, but in the capacity of student he undoubtedly has more established procedural "rights" against the university. The attorney general's office clearly wishes to reduce the "rights" it needs to recognize.

    But as Lukianoff states: "Even in a workplace, it is ridiculous to conclude that a one-time e-mail constitutes unlawful discrimination and harassment. It is especially ridiculous to apply such a policy to a working student at an institution of higher education that has a special responsibility to ensure academic freedom."

    Here the concept of "due process" emerges in full. As with freedom of speech, the university's policies seem to reduce to the formula, "rights for me but not for thee."

    For example, according to Speert's view of free speech, Scala has the right to send an unsolicited and unwanted promotion of a pro-lesbian film over the university's network. Daniel has no right to respond with his personal opinion and a request for no contact in the future.

    According to Speert's view of due process, if Scala feels threatened by a moralistic dismissal of an issue she chose to raise, then the attorney general's office should flex its muscle to protect a frail woman so imperiled. Meanwhile, Daniel has no right to even examine the evidence brought against him. He merely has the right to appeal.

    In his letter, Lukianoff stressed that "due process" was being disregarded in order to chill dissent. Both Speert and Harvey replied that "due process" was clearly in place and pointed to the administrative procedures to which Daniel could appeal.

    Making someone jump through bureaucratic hoops that embody a biased procedure is not due process. A kangaroo court that includes the right of appeal to a higher kangaroo authority does not constitute due process. It is a travesty.

    Due process does not reside in bureaucracy. It is a set of legal principles established through tradition to protect "the accused," who is innocent until proven guilty. Those principles include the right to face and question your accuser, the right to examine all evidence against you.

    Daniel has been granted neither. And the most extraordinary aspect of this denial of free speech and due process is that the attorney general's office felt it necessary to so quickly and heavily weigh in on a small matter.

    Or is it?
Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man Re: G-man hates America - 2005-07-27 8:40 PM
like I'm going to read all that.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-07-27 8:44 PM
You can skim it, if you want
Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man Re: G-man hates America - 2005-07-27 8:46 PM
good point.
maybe after lunch
Posted By: theory9 Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-07-27 10:55 PM
An interesting article, indeed. It is, however, sad that people spend so much time pointing fingers and little or no time proposing real solutions.
Posted By: magicjay Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2005-07-28 2:42 AM
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the G-man said:
On Campus, Only Some Free Speech Protected



Second, Lukianoff refers to Daniel as a student; both Speert and Harvey call him an employee. Daniel is legitimately both, but in the capacity of student he undoubtedly has more established procedural "rights" against the university. The attorney general's office clearly wishes to reduce the "rights" it needs to recognize.




Well those bastards! They're acting just like prosecuting attorneys!
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from Inside Higher Ed News 07/18/05

Everyone’s a Critic



The curtain did not fall silently on the Devil. But rather to a chorus of “I am offended.”

In fact, the shouts by a group of Washington State University students pervaded the final performance in April of The Passion of the Musical — a show that has become the subject of a free speech disputemonths after its short run.

The protesters, angry at the satire depicting the last of two days of the life of Jesus, forced the show to stop several times. At the behest of campus security guards concerned about a potential riot, Chris Lee, a
theater major who wrote, directed, and portrayed the cross-dressing Lucifer in the play, self-censored one of the show’s songs. Instead of singing “I would do anything for God, but I won’t act black,” a parody of Meat Loaf’s “I would do anything for love, but I won’t do that,” the “black” was changed to “blank.”

Along with jokes about gay people, AIDS, Hitler, and the use of “nigger,” another chorus that roiled audience members was the “And I will always hate Jews” refrain in the parody of Whitney Houston’s hit “I Will Always Love You.” And of course there was the scene where newborn babies were shot onto the stage, apparently from a Mormon mother’s offstage womb, and Jesus, like a good outfielder, caught all 16 of them.
Lee, like many of those who organized the protests and disrupted the play, is black. “The whole point was to show people we’re not that different, we all have issues that can be made fun of,” Lee said.

Several months after the play, a free speech group is coming to Lee’s defense and demanding to know why college administrators appeared to support those who disrupted the production. The group cites an e-mail obtained by The Daily Evergreen, the Washington State paper, in which President Lane Rawlins wrote to a professor: “I too was concerned about the threat to safety but I must
say that our students, even though they were upset, exercised their rights of free speech in a very responsible manner by letting the writer and players know exactly how they felt.” Not everyone thought it was free speech that the 40 students exercised.

“The protesters were the people standing outside with signs,” Lee said. “Inside, they were hecklers. I wanted the play to cause discussion, but they didn’t even listen to it.”

Officials at the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education strongly disagreed with Rawlins that the protesters were exercising free speech, rather than violating it. “Disrupting a play with mob censorship is not protected expression,” said Greg Lukianoff, director of legal and public advocacy at FIRE.

Similarly, Lukianoff argued, campus security should have protected Lee’s right to continue his play unchanged, rather than pushed him to self-censor to avoid an explosive situation. Washington State staff members and administrators who supported the protesters right to interrupt the play, including the president, contend that Lee created a public forum by engaging the crowd early in the play.



Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2005-07-29 6:59 AM
The article you cite appears to indicate that the harrassment, with the Admin's approval, was by students protesting "politcally incorrect" aspects of the play. That would tend to indicate that the perpetrators were not conservative, but more likely liberal.

You'll note, for example, that "many" of the protestors were African-American, and were protesting the use of the N word and other types of things. Unless WSU is a heretofore unknown stronghold for black conservative I would, therefore, suspect they were not conservatives at all.
Posted By: magicjay Re: Liberal Profs - 2005-07-29 7:26 AM
I did some editing of the article in the interest of brevity in this forum. I included a link to the entire article, which seemed to indicate that the protesters were largely black, but also conservative Christians. I also left out the part describing how the school paid for the protesters tickets. Either way, would you agree with the administration that it was a proper means of protest?
Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2005-07-29 9:26 AM
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Unless WSU is a heretofore unknown stronghold for black conservative I would, therefore, suspect they were not conservatives at all.



black....conservative?
do they have those now?
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2005-08-09 3:18 PM

A professor at Bowling Green State University in Ohio has so much time on his hands this summer that he has taken to writing letters to the Toledo Blade complaining about how insensitive the funny pages are.

"Shame on The Blade for running the appalling July 28 "Dennis The Menace" cartoon, which was incredibly insensitive to all Native Americans," writes Jeffrey Gordon, an Associate Professor of Geography. "The cartoon depicts the Mitchell family in the Southwest visiting a 'Navajo Ruins.'"

"Dennis is standing on a lower wall of the ruins while lassoing a higher portion. His mother states, 'We should be thankful they were in ruins before he got here.' Despite clearly being aware of their child's destructive intent, Dennis' parents totally disregard his outrageous (and illegal) behavior and the serious physical damage he can cause to ancient and irreplaceable Native American sites - a legacy to be enjoyed by future generations.

"This cartoon, so disrespectful of Native Americans and their rich heritage, has no rightful place in our multicultural society."

A Washington University physics professor who expressed the opinion that homosexuality is sinful on a personal website is under fire from students who say such opinions shouln't be allowed on university servers, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

In one of several opinion pieces hosted on his faculty web page, professor Jonathan Katz writes that homophobia is a moral judgment on acts engaged in by choice. Like incest and bestiality, he says, homosexuality is condemned by the Bible as a sin. After stating that homophobic people don't encourage violence against gays but just choose to stay away from them, he concludes, "I am a homophobe, and proud."

The site features a disclaimer reading, "These represent my personal views alone. Washington University would never take an official position which might deviate from the 'politically correct' line. I don't know how they find out what the line is each day, but they sure keep up-to-date."

Gay students have said they may feel uncomfortable taking Katz's class now that they are aware of his opinions, but Katz says politics never enters his science class and that the situation is no different from Republican students who might be uncomfortable taking a class taught by a professor that they know to be a Democrat.

I don't see where the liberal students are harassing the creepy prof. Could you point out any actual harassment?
You mean other than trying to shut down his web site?
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You mean other than trying to shut down his web site?



Looks like some students expressing their opinion. Have they done anything illegal in their requests?
Posted By: the G-man U of Oregon to Teach "Queer Studies"? - 2005-11-02 4:35 PM
Critics Slam Univ. of Oregon Diversity Effort

    EUGENE, Ore. — In an effort to promote diversity at the University of Oregon, a plan has been developed that would hire, fire and promote professors not just on the quality of their teaching and research, but on their so-called “cultural competency."

    Freshmen would take a class on the subject and faculty would be trained in it. The problem is that nowhere in the 22-page diversity draft plan is “cultural competency” defined.

    "I can imagine huge amounts of time that should be going to research and teaching being tied up with this sort of thing — and making life extremely unpleasant,” said Christopher Phillips, a University of Oregon professor.

    Critics also worry about the cost. The plan calls for 800 diversity-building scholarships and dozens of new staff positions in order to add degree programs in fields like “queer studies” and “disabled studies.”

    Supporters say they understand the challenges, but such a program is necessary because racism and discrimination persist.
Oregon, huh? Astounding.
Posted By: theory9 Re: U of Oregon to Teach "Queer Studies"? - 2005-11-02 9:15 PM
Fu-cking lame.
Posted By: rex Re: U of Oregon to Teach "Queer Studies"? - 2005-11-02 10:59 PM
The University of Oregon is a shit hole of a university. The only reason I used to work there is because it is one of the few places here to get a job. I see bullshit like this all the time. Fuck I hate this city.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2006-01-12 6:48 PM
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Bruin Alumni Association Targets 'Radical' Faculty

An organization calling itself the "Bruin Alumni Association" that has no official affiliation with the University of California has published on online list of UCLA professors it deems "radical."? The Association also posted an online offer to pay students for evidence proving that instructors have been espousing left-wing views in class, in violation of University of California rules.

The Association lists an advisory board of UCLA alumnae that includes Senator and current Congressional candidate Bill Morrow, R-San Diego, former Congressman Jim Rogan, and former California Republican Party head Shawn Steel. The group's founder is Andrew Jones, a 2003 UCLA graduate who has worked as a research assistant to David Horowitz, the right-wing commentator closely identified with criticizing universities for being too liberal.

The Web site, www.uclaprofs.com, lists 31 current and former professors in disciplines such as African-American studies, Chicano studies, education, history and political science. These names are linked to detailed profiles of professors and their activities. There is also a ratings system in which faculty are rated from one to five "black power" fists to indicate how radical they are.

The site, which states that it was launched Jan. 7, also includes a button that reads, "UCLA Students: Help UCLAprofs and get paid!"? This invitation leads to a page that states:

"Do you have a professor who just can't stop talking about President Bush, about the war in Iraq, about the Republican Party, or any other ideological issue that has nothing to do with the class subject matter? It doesn't matter whether this is a past class, or your class for this coming winter quarter. If you help UCLAProfs.com expose the professor, we'll pay you for your work. Full, detailed lecture notes, all professor-distributed materials, and full tape recordings of every class session, for one class: $100."

This offer was followed by a list of another 24 professors who had yet to be profiled but were "of special interest." The text of the offer matched that sent to Capitol Weekly by several listed professors.

Offering to pay students for notes and recordings violates University of California rules, according to UCLA campus counsel Patricia Jasper. A 2003 policy gives instructors copyright on their class materials. Another rule precludes the recording off classes without explicit permission and disclosure of the purpose of the recording.

The original offer was taken down over the weekend, then reposted with numerous legal disclaimers. However, Jasper said, it was still not fully in compliance, and that she planned to contact Jones. Jasper said that she her only contact with Jones so far occurred last year, when she sent him a warning that his website and donation materials were causing confusion among some UCLA alumni, who thought the group was officially connected with the school.


Capitol Weekly
The University of California system has a history of infamy in regards to matters like this.

They fired a number of well-known scientists in the early 50s after those scientists refused to sign Oaths of Loyalty. The one I'm most familiar with, psychologist Edward Tolman of Berkley, was eventually reinstated without having to sign the oath.

Furthermore, psychologist James J. Gibson lost much of his military funding post-WWII on the grounds that he was a leftist radical. He was leftist, yes. But by no means a Communist or a spy or even a substantial sympathiser.
Nowadays, I think the professors have a sign a loyalty oath TO communism.
Mmm...mmm... If only all communism was that tasty.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-02-11 7:01 PM
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Jim Jackson said:
If someone points out real stats that show I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize. I meant no offense by it. But if you extend the idea that Universities are Liberal bastions, then it only makes sense to assert that most educated people are Liberal.

Universities are full of educated people. It's kind of a prerequisite for getting a job. And Universities are Liberal bastions.

Draw the conclusion.




A columnist at the Cornell Daily Sun points out:

    Every once in a while you will get some enlightened genius who suggests that the reason that this huge disparity between conservatives and liberals [on campus] exists because liberals are inherently smarter than conservatives.

    Conservatives, this Einstein might say, are dummies. This argument is only useful in boosting the confidence and the ego of the dummy that promulgates it. Other than that, you can pretty much toss it in the trash. (Most students can attest while we have some phenomenally brilliant liberal faculty on campus, we also have some that aren't so impressive.)

    There are plenty of conservative intellectuals in think tanks who would be easily qualified for a teaching post at America's top colleges. In fact, these think tanks produce much of the most original and practical ideas to America's problems. There is little doubt that many of these think tank intellectuals would add tremendously to the intellectual life of any campus.
Posted By: magicjay38 Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-02-11 9:46 PM
The very nature of a university is antithetical to conservative thinking. By definition a conservative is resistant to change. Inquiry by its very nature is about questioning and exploring new ways of thinking. It seeks to understand how things are rather than how things fit into the existing model of thought.

Academic careers are made by making new discoveries and seeing things in a new and different light. Those aren't among the charms of conservatism.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-02-11 10:14 PM
If however, the dominent paradigm at a university is liberal thinking, aren't conservative thinkers necessary to question and explore alternate ways of thinking, in lieu of the existing liberal model of thought?

And, seriously, at this point, how is it seeing things "in a new and different light" to automatically assume a government program or increased spending is the solution to a problem?
Posted By: wannabuyamonkey Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-02-12 12:01 AM
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magicjay38 said:
The very nature of a university is antithetical to conservative thinking. By definition a conservative is resistant to change. Inquiry by its very nature is about questioning and exploring new ways of thinking. It seeks to understand how things are rather than how things fit into the existing model of thought.

Academic careers are made by making new discoveries and seeing things in a new and different light. Those aren't among the charms of conservatism.




That's a poor deffinition of a conservitive thinker and an even poorer excuse for a one sided curriculem.
Actually, the conservative label itself is pejorative in nature. I've never understood why you and others with similar political views are so eager to self-apply it.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-04-14 10:42 PM
The Cincinnati Enquirer:

    A professor at Northern Kentucky University said she invited students in one of her classes to destroy an anti-abortion display on campus Wednesday evening.

    NKU police are investigating the incident, in which 400 crosses were removed from the ground near University Center and thrown in trash cans. The crosses, meant to represent a cemetery for aborted fetuses, had been temporarily erected last weekend by a student Right to Life group with permission from NKU officials. . . .

    Witnesses reported "a group of females of various ages" committing the vandalism about 5:30 p.m., said Dave Tobertge, administrative sergeant with the campus police.

    Sally Jacobsen, a longtime professor in NKU's literature and language department, said the display was dismantled by about nine students in one of her graduate-level classes.

    "I did, outside of class during the break, invite students to express their freedom-of-speech rights to destroy the display if they wished to," Jacobsen said. . . .
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-04-14 11:04 PM
Your post fails to demonstrate how Prof Jacobson's invitation harrassed any single student.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-04-15 12:16 AM
Hmmmmm....let's see...

A "student Right to Life group" goes to the effort of getting a permit to, and in fact does, erect a display in support of their deeply-held religious beliefs...

Despite said permit, a professor decides that said display is offensive to her, so she induces/conspires with a group of like-minded individuals to destroy the display.

And you think the students who put it up in the first place don't feel even the teensy bit, I dunno, harassed about having their project vandalized?
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the G-man said:
Hmmmmm....let's see...

A "student Right to Life group" goes to the effort of getting a permit to, and in fact does, erect a display in support of their deeply-held religious beliefs...

Despite said permit, a professor decides that said display is offensive to her, so she induces/conspires with a group of like-minded individuals to destroy the display.

And you think the students who put it up in the first place don't feel even the teensy bit, I dunno, harassed about having their project vandalized?



i can't believe you said "erect."
that's making it too easy for me.
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'Catch immigrant' game raises an outcry at PSU

Friday, April 14, 2006
By Bill Schackner, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


The College Republicans at Penn State University wanted to enter the debate about the nation's borders by playing a "Catch an Illegal Immigrant Game."

People would be invited to "catch" group members wearing orange shirts symbolizing illegal aliens.

Amid the student outcry that ensued, they softened their plan to an illegal immigration awareness day in which leafleting and speech-making would let both sides air their views on immigration policies.

But that hasn't entirely erased the bad feeling over the campus event, now planned for Wednesday.

Yesterday, about 150 students and some faculty opposed to the idea rallied in the student union building. And the university itself joined the fray, urging the College Republicans to "re-think their approach as a step toward fostering civility on campus."

Penn State President Graham Spanier labeled the original idea "unproductive and offensive."

On any college campus, one person's crusade against intolerance is another person's bow to political correctness. Even as groups such as the Black Caucus and Latino Caucus registered passionate objections, others said they viewed the Republicans' plan -- the game included -- as a reasonable way to highlight concern about the nation's porous borders.

"You have to be creative to get students to listen to you," sophomore Chuck Knight wrote in a letter to the editor published recently in the student newspaper, The Daily Collegian. "For that matter, you have to be creative anytime you are trying to raise concern about something."

An official with the College Republicans seemed at a loss yesterday to understand the continuing outrage as he stood within earshot of speakers who decried his group as discriminatory and insensitive.

"They're against something that no longer exists," said Seth Bender, 20, chairman of the group and a sophomore from Lebanon. "I think they're just misinformed."

He said the controversy helped publicize the event. But he also said even some within his organization were uneasy with the original idea.

In recent days, the dispute over immigration and immigrant rights has turned out hundreds of thousands of protesters in cities across the nation. Such debate belongs on a university campus, said Penn State officials, and the Republicans' event as currently proposed, complete with a forum in which illegal immigration and the benefits of legal immigration are to be discussed, seems at least to be an attempt to do that.

"The Constitution allows College Republicans and other student groups to hold expressive events, even ones that may be deemed offensive by some," said Penn State spokesman Tysen Kendig.

Still, he said, there is lingering ill will that the event would be staged in any form. Some who registered complaints with the administration said they saw uncomfortable likenesses to the original game, down to participants designated to discuss illegal immigration wearing orange shirts.

Similar events staged by conservative students on other campuses, including the University of North Texas, have stirred emotions. And that was true at Penn State yesterday as protesters like alumnus Michael Benitez called the event unfit for his alma mater:

"If we're supposed to be a place that promotes diversity and social intelligence, why is this happening?"


Post Gazette
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Captain Sammitch said:
Actually, the conservative label itself is pejorative in nature. I've never understood why you and others with similar political views are so eager to self-apply it.




Words are usefull. It's shorthand from spending 12 hours in going over every fine point. I have a simmilarly hard time understaning people who shy away from lables as the Aborinies shy away from photographs as though they will somehow steal a portion of your soul.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2006-06-22 6:27 PM
Arizona is about to pass legislation that would require public schools, from K-12 through higher ed, to display American flags in classrooms.

Because most secondary schools already do this, the law won't have much of an impact on them. But the same isn't true for colleges and universities, and they're already griping:

    Reyes Medrano, professor of business at Paradise Valley Community College and president-elect of the faculty association for the Maricopa Community College District ... said that while he doesn’t object to anyone flying a flag, he doesn’t see why it should be forced on college classrooms, especially when its meaning isn’t entirely positive to everyone. “I’m not anti-U.S. or anti-any country,” he said, but flags equate with nationalism, which “creates separatism and unnecessary conflict.”

    Focusing on the flag, he said, can encourage people to “place our values in an institution rather than in humanity.”
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2006-09-27 8:17 PM
Students of some of the best-known colleges in America score worse on American history after attending.

According to the Wall St. Journal:

In a 60-question multiple-choice quiz, "college seniors failed the civic literacy exam, with an average score of 53.2 percent, or F, on a traditional grading scale." And at many schools "seniors know less than freshmen about America's history, government, foreign affairs, and economy."

The schools with the worst records, the Journal notes, include some of the top-ranked colleges in the nation:

Cornell, UC Berkeley and Johns Hopkins were the worst three, their seniors scoring between 3.3 and 7.3 percentage points worse than their freshmen. A[lso] on the negative list were some other very prestigious universities: Williams, Georgetown, Yale, Duke and Brown.

The Journal, citing a report from the Intercollegiate Studies Institute ("ISI"), recommended that universities "must improve the quantity and quality of their teaching" in this area.

ISI concludes that "students don't learn what colleges don't teach." In other words, in colleges where students must take more courses in American history they do better on the test, outperforming schools where fewer courses were completed. Seniors at the top test-scoring colleges "took an average of 4.2 history and political science courses, while seniors at the two lowest-ranked colleges . . . took an average of 2.9 history and political science courses." Similarly, higher ranked colleges spent more time on homework, 20 hours a week at fourth-ranked Grove City College and 14 or 15 at low-ranked [universities]"

I have to wonder whether an anti-American or liberal bias at some of these colleges might have also contributed to the decline in scores.

For example, Cornell, one of the lowest scoring schools, also has one of the lowest percentages of conservative faculty members, according to the September 2002 issue of American Enterprise. The possibility that the scores may be tied to liberal bias may also be supported by the areas where students tested better:

More than 80% of students could identify Franklin D. Roosevelt's programs as the New Deal, 79% knew that Brown v. Board of Education ordered an end to racial segregation

Certainly those are important parts of history but they aren't the only aspects of it. They are, however, well known as touchstones of the left's view of history.<

Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Students Harass Conservatives - 2006-10-08 12:16 AM
NY POST:

    NYC Mayor Bloomberg took the unusual step yesterday of criticizing the president of Columbia University for not doing enough to foster free speech on the Ivy League campus.

    His harshly worded assessment of the leadership of Lee Bollinger stemmed from recent campus upheaval surrounding the invitations of controversial speakers from both sides of the political spectrum.

    The latest occurred this week, when scores of left-leaning students bum-rushed the founder of the conservative Minuteman Project just moments after he took the stage, forcing him to run for cover and cancel his address.

    The speaker, Jim Gilchrist, was invited by students from the College Republicans.

    "Bollinger's just got to get his hands around this," Bloomberg said to a caller on his weekly radio program on WABC. "There's just too many incidents at the same school where people get censored . . .

    "I think it's an outrage that somebody who was invited didn't get a chance to speak."

    In a statement released by the university, Bollinger did not directly address Bloomberg. But he called the disruption of the Minuteman address "one of the most serious breaches of academic faith that can occur in a university such as ours."

    A university investigation of the incident is under way.

    Chris Kulawik, 18, president of the College Republicans, applauded the mayor.

    Many students interviewed believe the university must do more to ensure order at controversial events.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-10-09 6:35 PM
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Jim Jackson said:

I also do not feel it's a problem that Universities in general are havens for Liberalism. As I've said, this has LONG been the case. I think it's also the general case that educated people (people with advanced degrees) tend to be Liberal. And Universities are full of educated people LOL.

If someone points out real stats that show I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize.




The Wall St. Journal:

    the University of Michigan's National Election Studies...survey data uncover two facts.

    First, people who go to college are more likely to vote Republican than those who don't go to college. Adults 25 and under from Republican homes are, for example, 11 percentage points more likely to vote Republican if they attended college than if they didn't. And young adults from Democratic households are 11 percentage points less likely to vote Democrat if they've gone to college than if not.

    Second, nearly everybody grows more likely to vote Republican as they age--but especially college graduates. It is no shock that the vast majority of people of all educational backgrounds from Republican homes vote Republican by age 40. It may come as more of a surprise that 40-year-olds with Democrat parents are far less likely to vote Democrat if they've gone to college than if they haven't. In fact, while three-quarters of the uneducated group still vote Democrat, the odds are only about 50-50 that the college graduates vote this way. And they've not all become skeptical political independents: Fully a third are registered Republicans.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-10-11 6:50 PM
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Beardguy57 said:
UW Instructor Compares Bush to Hitler
By CARRIE ANTLFINGER, Associated Press Writer
5 hours ago

MILWAUKEE - A university instructor who came under scrutiny for arguing that the U.S. government orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks likens President Bush to Adolf Hitler in an essay his students are being required to buy for his course.

The essay by Kevin Barrett, "Interpreting the Unspeakable: The Myth of 9/11," is part of a $20 book of essays by 15 authors, according to an unedited copy first obtained by WKOW-TV in Madison and later by The Associated Press.

The book's title is "9/11 and American Empire: Muslims, Jews, and Christians Speak Out." It is on the syllabus for Barrett's course at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, "Islam: Religion and Culture," but only three of the essays are required reading, not including Barrett's essay.

Barrett, a part-time instructor who holds a doctorate in African languages and literature and folklore from UW-Madison, is active in a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth. The group's members say U.S. officials, not al-Qaida terrorists, were behind the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Like Bush and the neocons, Hitler and the Nazis inaugurated their new era by destroying an architectural monument and blaming its destruction on their designated enemies," he wrote.

Barrett said Tuesday he was comparing the attacks to the burning of the German parliament building, the Reichstag, in 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship.

"That's not comparing them as people, that's comparing the Reichstag fire to the demolition of the World Trade Center, and that's an accurate comparison that I would stand by," he said.

He added: "Hitler had a good 20 to 30 IQ points on Bush, so comparing Bush to Hitler would in many ways be an insult to Hitler."

Moira Megargee, publicity director for the Northampton, Mass., publisher Interlink, said the book is due out at the end of November and the editing isn't finished.

"It is not final and for all we know that essay may not be in the book or may be edited," she said.

The university's decision to allow Barrett to teach the course touched off a controversy over the summer once his views became widely known.

Sixty-one state legislators denounced the move. One county board cut its funding for the UW-Extension by $8,247 _ the amount Barrett will earn for teaching the course _ in a symbolic protest, even though the course is unrelated to that branch of the UW System.

Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle and his Republican challenger, Mark Green, have both said they believe Barrett should be fired.

One essay Barrett is requiring students to read is entitled: "A Clash Between Justice and Greed," and argues that conflicts between Islam and the western world were made up after the "collapse of the Soviet Union to justify U.S. 'defense' spending, and to provide a pretext of controlling the world's resources."

The author of another essay, "Interpreting Terrorism: Muslim Problem or Covert Operations Nightmare?," contends some western intelligence agencies are commiting acts of terrorism to make them look like the work of radical Islamics.

The university's chief academic officer, Provost Patrick Farrell, decided to retain Barrett for the course after reviewing his plans and qualifications. He said Barrett could present his ideas during one week of the course as long as students were allowed to challenge them.

He later warned Barrett to stop seeking publicity for his personal political views.

Farrell said he has not seen the essay, but faculty can assign readings that may not be popular to everyone.

"I think part of the role of any challenging course here is going to encourage students to think of things from a variety of perspectives," he said.




I just bet this professor "encourage(s) students to think of things from a variety of perspectives."

I just bet that he assigns writings from noted conservatives all the time, to make sure that there is a variety of perspectives in his classroom

I just bet that he goes out of his way to encourage his students to express opposing viewpoints.

I just bet that he teaches the gamet of views from left wing...to liberal.
Posted By: Jim Jackson Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-10-11 7:03 PM
Take his class and find out.

Otherwise, you're just speculating out yer ass.

Is anyone being forced to take his course?
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Engage in "Groupthink" - 2006-10-20 10:12 PM
From The Chronicle of Higher Education

    A report released on Wednesday on the political views of faculty members accuses professors of liberal "groupthink," a stance that the report says puts them at odds with the beliefs of most Americans on national and international issues.

    The report, by the Institute for Jewish & Community Research, was based on an online, nationally representative survey of 1,259 professors at four-year colleges and universities in the spring of 2005. It found that, in general, professors are critical of American business and foreign policy and are skeptical of capitalism.

    Professors, says the report, are at the "forefront of the political divide" over U.S. foreign policy that has developed since the 2001 terrorist attacks. Faculty members have "aligned themselves in direct opposition to the political philosophy of the conservative base voting for the prevailing political power" in America, it says. Unlike most Americans, it adds, faculty members "blame America for world problems" and regard U.S. policies as "suspect."

    The report labels the faculty's overall stance as liberal "groupthink," and says it is dangerous because faculty members "are supposed to provide a broad range of ... approaches to addressing problems in American society and around the world." Professors are role models for students and frequently are called upon to act as "pundits" by the media and as experts on foreign policy, it adds.

    "The fact that there are more liberals than conservatives on campus is not the key issue," Gary A. Tobin, president of the institute, said during a teleconference on Wednesday. "We argue that were the political ideology reversed -- that three of every four identified themselves as conservatives rather than liberals -- the problem would be exactly the same. The presence of a dominant ideology has the potential to interfere with unbiased, honest, and creative scholarship and teaching."

    The Institute for Jewish & Community Research is a nonprofit think tank that performs research on a broad range of issues, including racial and religious identity, philanthropy, and higher education. It plans to release two additional reports based on the survey. One will cover the religious identity and behavior of college faculty members, and the other will gauge professors' attitudes toward the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy.

    All told, Mr. Tobin called the survey "the most comprehensive look at the beliefs and ideology of faculty ever compiled."
Posted By: the G-man Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-22 6:46 PM
Marquette Bans Dave Barry Quote from Office Door

    "In early September, a Marquette University administrator removed a Barry quote about the federal government from Ph.D. student Stuart Ditsler's office door because the quote was "patently offensive." ....

    In late August, Ditsler posted a quote by Dave Barry on his office door in the philosophy department. The quote read, "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful, and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government."

    On September 5, Philosophy Department Chair James South sent Ditsler an e-mail stating that he had received several complaints and therefore removed the quote. He wrote, "While I am a strong supporter of academic freedom, I'm afraid that hallways and office doors are not `free-speech zones.' If material is patently offensive and has no obvious academic import or university sanction, I have little choice but to take note."


So a perfectly respectable conservative view told in a humorous manner is "patently offensive" to a college professor and "has no obvious academic import".

That is itself a revealing statement about the intellectual limitations of the university concerned.
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-22 7:42 PM
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the G-man said:
"As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful, and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government."




I'm not sure I get how this is a "conservative view."

...or newsworthy, in the case of the article as a whole.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-22 8:35 PM
Traditional conservatives (as well as libertarians) have tended to believe that government, at least big government, is a problem, not a solution.

Barry's quote was a humorous version of that belief
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-22 9:05 PM
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the G-man said:
Traditional conservatives (as well as libertarians) have tended to believe that government, at least big government, is a problem, not a solution.




Yeah, but Dave Barry wasn't making a statement about the kind of government that was most preferable. He was saying that the government is generally corrupt and not trustworthy.

Distrust in the government is hardly an attitude exclusive to conservatives. Infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it.

This is censorship, but not liberal censorship(technically, that's a kind of an oxymoron, anyway). I think you're reading something into it that wasn't there.
Same here. The quote, if anything, seems patently liberal, especially when you consider the fact that a quick Google search of the quote brings up tons of liberal-minded websites and blogs. Plus it seems the quote was made while the current administration was in power.

Right now it looks like you just scored one for the opposing point of view, G-man.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 12:20 AM
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Animalman said:
Quote:

the G-man said:
Traditional conservatives (as well as libertarians) have tended to believe that government, at least big government, is a problem, not a solution.




Yeah, but Dave Barry wasn't making a statement about the kind of government that was most preferable. He was saying that the government is generally corrupt and not trustworthy.

Distrust in the government is hardly an attitude exclusive to conservatives. In fact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it.

This is censorship, but not liberal censorship(technically, that's a kind of an oxymoron, anyway). I think you're reading something into it that wasn't there.




Ronald Reagan made many similar comments (as Dave Barry) about federal government.

I'd hardly call Reagan a liberal.


The point is that the PC thought police have struck again, and told a college professor what he can and cannot put on the door of his own office.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 2:32 AM
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Animalman said:
Yeah, but Dave Barry wasn't making a statement about the kind of government that was most preferable. He was saying that the government is generally corrupt and not trustworthy.




He didn't say anything of the sort. He said that the nature of big and complicated government is what's "untrustworthy." Since the more liberal outlook of the use of government is "Do for the people what they can't for themselves," rather than, "Gives empowerment to the individual citizen (the more conservative outlook)," this situation is more prevalent of a conservative lean.

Your assumption that he's talking about government more literally (i.e. specifically talking about Bush), is totally opposite of Dave's comment. His satirical claim is stated in too broad a fashion for your argument to be true.

If he said something along the lines of "Government Administration" that would give your argument more warrant. "Federal Government," however, is much different.
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 4:29 AM
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Wonder Boy said:
Ronald Reagan made many similar comments (as Dave Barry) about federal government.




Ronald Reagan called the government "an enemy"? That doesn't seem like something a President, ex-President, or aspiring President would do.

I must ask: what and when were some of these comments?

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I'd hardly call Reagan a liberal.




Nor would I, and I didn't claim that it was a purely liberal attitude. My view is simply that in "today's USA"(meaning a post-9/11 USA, not a 20 years ago while Reagan was still in office USA), there tend to be more conservatives telling the public to trust the government than liberals.

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The point is that the PC thought police have struck again, and told a college professor what he can and cannot put on the door of his own office.




Well...sure, I guess. I agree it's stupid censorship and I agree the rising prevalence of this kind of censorship is a little disturbing. I just think G-Man is completely off-base in asserting, from the basic facts presented, that it is an example of liberals silencing a "conservative view".

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Pariah said:
He didn't say anything of the sort. He said that the nature of big and complicated government is what's "untrustworthy."




No, I don't think so. If he had, he probably would have said something remotely close to that, instead of saying what he actually said, which wasn't remotely close to that.

His joke was that the government was an enemy. How is that a conservative perspective being expressed?

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Your assumption that he's talking about government more literally (i.e. specifically talking about Bush), is totally opposite of Dave's comment.




I have no idea if he was talking specifically about this Bush, and I didn't make that claim, or imply it was so. For all I know, he wrote the comment 10 years ago(he wrote most of his books before 2000, so it's fairly likely he did).

Regardless, these days, it doesn't appear to be a widespread belief amongst conservatives. Really, Barry's intent means less than the intepretation of the statement and the context in which it's placed.

Anyway, the comment itself way too unspecific to ascribe a political agenda. That's my point. You, and G-Man, are making this out to be something it isn't, both on the part of Barry, and of the professor who interpreted the quote.

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His satirical claim is stated in too broad a fashion for your argument to be true.




Yet not too broad for you to attribute a "conservative lean" to it?
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Pariah said:
His satirical claim is stated in too broad a fashion for your argument to be true.



That makes no sense whatsoever. You have no idea how broad or specific the reference was and to say that it is "stated in too broad a fashion" for anything borders on asinine. You're without context. No conclusion can be drawn in regard to meaning.
Posted By: thedoctor Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 5:03 AM
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Animalman said:
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Wonder Boy said:
Ronald Reagan made many similar comments (as Dave Barry) about federal government.




Ronald Reagan called the government "an enemy"? That doesn't seem like something a President, ex-President, or aspiring President would do.

I must ask: what and when were some of these comments?




  • The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

  • The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

  • The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

  • Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.

  • People don't start wars, governments do.

  • I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.

  • History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 5:10 AM
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thedoctor said:
  • The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

  • The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

  • The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

  • Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.

  • People don't start wars, governments do.

  • I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.

  • History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.





I said I wanted a when, too! Geez.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 5:23 AM
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Animalman said:
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Wonder Boy said:
Ronald Reagan made many similar comments (as Dave Barry) about federal government.




Ronald Reagan called the government "an enemy"? That doesn't seem like something a President, ex-President, or aspiring President would do.

I must ask: what and when were some of these comments?




  • Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
  • Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.
  • Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
  • Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
  • Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
  • Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.
  • If the federal government had been around when the Creator was putting His hand to this state, Indiana wouldn't be here. It'd still be waiting for an environmental impact statement.
  • The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
  • The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.



Posted By: thedoctor Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 7:16 AM
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Animalman said:
I said I wanted a when, too! Geez.




  • The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.August 15, 1986

  • History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.January 16, 1984

  • Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.Inaugural Address, January 20, 1981
Posted By: Pariah Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 12:38 PM
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Animalman said:
No, I don't think so. If he had, he probably would have said something remotely close to that, instead of saying what he actually said, which wasn't remotely close to that.




No. It was.

Obviously, any government can be relative based on its maintainers. However, government in general is a beast. Whether or not its caged is up to both the maintainers and the proleteriate(sp). Considering the issue is over that singular line of comment and not being spread anywhere near the full context of the cartoon, it is very safe to say that he was talking about the nature of government.

Even if Dave Barry wasn't saying that, the fact here is that the joke is being extrapolated over modern politics. So this has less to do with Dave Barry and more to do with the interpretation of it by James South.

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His joke was that the government was an enemy. How is that a conservative perspective being expressed?




Because modern conservatives don't want their lives governed by government. This is opposed to liberals who want particular sanctions for every social and business issue out there. The individual citizen cannot do anything for him/herself without socialist America deciding a law should be attached to his/her whims.

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I have no idea if he was talking specifically about this Bush, and I didn't make that claim, or imply it was so. For all I know, he wrote the comment 10 years ago(he wrote most of his books before 2000, so it's fairly likely he did).




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Animalman said:
Distrust in the government is hardly an attitude exclusive to conservatives. Infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it.




This is a clear implication on your part that you thought the comment was regarding modern political extremes. Even if that strip was written 10 years ago, the 'Big Brother Conservative' label, used by the left, has been around since the mid-eighties.

You could probably say that you were just humoring G-man, but at the same time, you also bothered to try and spin the joke.

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Regardless, these days, it doesn't appear to be a widespread belief amongst conservatives. Really, Barry's intent means less than the intepretation of the statement and the context in which it's placed.




Which is my point.

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Anyway, the comment itself way too unspecific to ascribe a political agenda. That's my point. You, and G-Man, are making this out to be something it isn't, both on the part of Barry, and of the professor who interpreted the quote.




I may have over-assumed the intent of Barry--I admit I probably shouldn't have--But your attempt at trying to spin G-man's observation by saying 'Conservatives trust in the administration' instead of just saying that the joke was "too broad" in the first place doesn't put your intent in a much better light.

However, even in the face of my over-assumption, I'd still bet dollars to donuts that I got the context of Barry's joke right as well as South's interpretation.

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Yet not too broad for you to attribute a "conservative lean" to it?




Once again: I wasn't simply interpreting Barry's intent, but also (and primarily) South's interpretation of what it meant.

Also, I'd like to hear how you think the statement doesn't have a conservative lean to it (beyond saying that all modern conservatives are Bush apologists that is), out of context or in context--It doesn't matter. I still say it's a modernly conservative inherency.
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 6:55 PM
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Pariah said:
However, government in general is a beast.




According to you and G-Man, this is a conservative belief, rather than something everybody who doesn't work in the government(and, apparently, even a lot of people who do) believes.

That, to me, is ludicrous.

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it is very safe to say that he was talking about the nature of government.




No. It was a straightforward joke. He wasn't talking about how precisely the government he thought the government should be run, or how centralized it should be, etc. He was saying government = bad. That is a sentiment pretty much everyone shares.

I can't believe I'm having to explain basic humor to you guys. Good grief.

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Because modern conservatives don't want their lives governed by government. This is opposed to liberals who want particular sanctions for every social and business issue out there. The individual citizen cannot do anything for him/herself without socialist America deciding a law should be attached to his/her whims.




This is an entirely different thread unto itself. In short, I'll say that I think you do a disservice to yourself and to liberals by trying to pass off such sweeping generalizations of incredibly complex ideologies.

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This is a clear implication on your part that you thought the comment was regarding modern political extremes.




How? The quote you give of me isn't even referring to the comment. I think in the modern political world, there are many "extremists" who have blindly followed the administration, and I guess you could have perhaps extrapolated some of that from what I said...but that has very little to do with this topic, and absolutely nothing to do with Barry's remark.

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Even if that strip was written 10 years ago, the 'Big Brother Conservative' label, used by the left, has been around since the mid-eighties.




Which would seem to contradict your point about me somehow referring to Bush, Jr.

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You could probably say that you were just humoring G-man, but at the same time, you also bothered to try and spin the joke.




How am I the one spinning the joke, when I'm saying that I don't think it applies to any one group, and you and G-Man are saying it applies to conservatives like you?

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Which is my point.




I'm so glad you said so...after I wrote it.

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But your attempt at trying to spin G-man's observation by saying 'Conservatives trust in the administration' instead of just saying that the joke was "too broad" in the first place doesn't put your intent in a much better light.




I did say the joke was too broad in the first place. That's what I've been saying all along. Go back and re-read my posts.

I only brought up conservatives to counter G-Man's rather flimsy line of logic, by pointing out that, for the most part, the only people who have been vocal about their support of the government(and, in this case, defining "the government" becomes an issue) have been conservatives. In this forum, or in the news.

I never said Barry's view wasn't shared by the majority of conservatives, though. I said flat out I thought it was a basic, obvious joke that pretty much anyone would make or appreciate.

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However, even in the face of my over-assumption, I'd still bet dollars to donuts that I got the context of Barry's joke right as well as South's interpretation.




I have few dollars and(sadly) no donuts, but you're probably right, since you've said that it was both too broad and not broad enough. It's pretty easy to predict what side a coin will land on when you guess heads and tails.

That was a joke. I like to make jokes.

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Once again: I wasn't simply interpreting Barry's intent, but also (and primarily) South's interpretation of what it meant.




That doesn't answer my question. You applied a conservative lean to it(which you've admitted several times), but you also said it's too broad for my argument to be true, which is odd, given that my argument all along has been that it was too broad.

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Also, I'd like to hear how you think the statement doesn't have a conservative lean to it




I kind of thought I just spent the last five posts or so explaining that. The whole "too broad" bit, which you seem to both agree and disagree with simultaneously.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-23 9:40 PM
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According to you and G-Man, this is a conservative belief, rather than something everybody who doesn't work in the government(and, apparently, even a lot of people who do) believes.




From Florida Atlantic University Department of Political Science (emphasis added)

    In brief, Democrats tend to favor an active role for government in society and believe that such involvement – be it environmental regulations against polluting or anti-discrimination laws – can improve the quality of our lives and help achieve the larger goals of opportunity and equality. On the other hand, Republicans tend to favor a limited role for government in society and believe that such reliance on the private sector (businesses and individuals) – be it avoiding unnecessary environmental regulations or heavy-handed anti-discrimination laws – can improve economic productivity and help achieve the larger goals of freedom and self-reliance.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-24 4:19 AM
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According to you and G-Man, this is a conservative belief, rather than something everybody who doesn't work in the government(and, apparently, even a lot of people who do) believes.

That, to me, is ludicrous.




Of course you think it's ludicrous. That's because you're used to using the claim of victim.

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No. It was a straightforward joke. He wasn't talking about how precisely the government he thought the government should be run, or how centralized it should be, etc. He was saying government = bad. That is a sentiment pretty much everyone shares.




No. It's not.

Federal Government, in general, it's not "a sentiment that pretty much everyone shares." It only seems that way to you because the left is just angry at the current administration all the time. And because it earns them more points to play the 'tyrrany of the majority' card, they refer to Big Brother.

Socialism is the logical extension of modern liberalism. And socialism is about total reliance on the government--Or a government if you wish.

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I can't believe I'm having to explain basic humor to you guys. Good grief.




Whatever happened to "satire?"

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This is an entirely different thread unto itself. In short, I'll say that I think you do a disservice to yourself and to liberals by trying to pass off such sweeping generalizations of incredibly complex ideologies.




Or maybe I'm just not fooling myself into believing that the joke isn't conservative--Or, at least, partisan in nature.

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How? The quote you give of me isn't even referring to the comment.




Actually, it is. You used the comment to say that it sounds exactly opposite of what G-man felt it sounded like. Thus, it was a spin. So what if you didn't quote the thing, you were obviously talking about it.

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I think in the modern political world, there are many "extremists" who have blindly followed the administration, and I guess you could have perhaps extrapolated some of that from what I said...but that has very little to do with this topic, and absolutely nothing to do with Barry's remark.




In your very first post regarding the subject, you brought up those "extremists" and their alleged blind loyalty to the government and now you're saying it has "very litte" to do with the issue?

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Which would seem to contradict your point about me somehow referring to Bush, Jr.




No. Conservatives are not the government. Just because they could maintain the government, that doesn't mean they embody it. Things like government and big corporations are entities all their own.

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How am I the one spinning the joke, when I'm saying that I don't think it applies to any one group, and you and G-Man are saying it applies to conservatives like you?




Your first comment, in direct association with the comic, was: "infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it."

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I'm so glad you said so...after I wrote it.




Imply what you wish. I really don't care.

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I did say the joke was too broad in the first place. That's what I've been saying all along. Go back and re-read my posts.




No you didn't

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I only brought up conservatives to counter G-Man's rather flimsy line of logic, by pointing out that, for the most part, the only people who have been vocal about their support of the government(and, in this case, defining "the government" becomes an issue) have been conservatives. In this forum, or in the news.




Defining the government? Are you for real?

It's "Administration." Big difference.

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I never said Barry's view wasn't shared by the majority of conservatives, though. I said flat out I thought it was a basic, obvious joke that pretty much anyone would make or appreciate.




Obviously somebody didn't however.

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That doesn't answer my question. You applied a conservative lean to it(which you've admitted several times), but you also said it's too broad for my argument to be true, which is odd, given that my argument all along has been that it was too broad.




I said that your use of the administrations as an example of the left hating government was too broad since the two are mutually exclusive (although they obviously interact with eachother).

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I kind of thought I just spent the last five posts or so explaining that. The whole "too broad" bit, which you seem to both agree and disagree with simultaneously.




Fine. You don't have to answer.
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-24 8:13 AM
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Of course you think it's ludicrous. That's because you're used to using the claim of victor.




In dealing with you, it's often true.

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Whatever happened to "satire?"




Benny Hill took it with him when he left.

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Or maybe I'm just not fooling myself into believing that the joke isn't conservative--Or, at least, partisan in nature.




Have you read a Dave Barry book before?

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In your very first post regarding the subject, you brought up those "extremists" and their alleged blind loyalty to the government and now you're saying it has "very litte" to do with the issue?




No, I made a general comment about today's political world. You took that general comment, and applied an extrememly specific message to it.

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Your first comment, in direct association with the comic, was: "infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it."




That's not spin. It's called giving a counter example.

Spin is what you and G-Man are doing: spinning the joke as a support of a political ideology. I was countering that spin with an example to the contrary, showing that you have read something into that wasn't really there.

You pretty much admitted this with your post:

"I may have over-assumed the intent of Barry--I admit I probably shouldn't have"

So, now I've had to explain humor and simple debate to you. What has happened to our education system?

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No you didn't




"Dave Barry wasn't making a statement about the kind of government that was most preferable. He was saying that the government is generally corrupt and not trustworthy.

Distrust in the government is hardly an attitude exclusive to conservatives.

This is censorship, but not liberal censorship(technically, that's a kind of an oxymoron, anyway). I think you're reading something into it that wasn't there."

I didn't use the exact words "too broad". But you'd have to be either pretty stubbornly partisan or just pretty thick-headed not to get that that's what I was talking about.

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Defining the government? Are you for real?




...eh?

There are a lot of different ideas about what exactly "the government" is, and so in discussing it, there can be some cognitive dissonance there.

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Obviously somebody didn't however.




Yes, obviously. It was censorship, and stupid censorship.

Just not liberal censorship.

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I said that your use of the administrations as an example of the left hating government was too broad since the two are mutually exclusive (although they obviously interact with eachother).




I didn't say hate. I said distrust. There's a pretty big difference.

You said that it was too broad for me to be applying it to Bush, despite the fact that I wasn't talking about Bush, and I was making the claim that it was a general statement all along, rather than a specific comment supporting or admonishing any political cause or figure...then you said in the very next post it had an "inherent" conservative lean to it.

So, if it's argument for the left(one I wasn't making), it's too broad. If it's an argument for the right...it's just specific enough.

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Fine. You don't have to answer.




I did. Several times.

I don't think it has a conservative lean to it because I don't think he was talking about a kind of government(i.e specifically what role the government played). It was a basic, general joke, about any modern government, and how generally untrustworthy it is. For it to have a conservative lean, it has to be something that most conservatives believe, and most liberals don't. I think most people find the government at least a little untrustworthy, regardless of what side of the political aisle they stand on.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2006-10-27 7:51 PM
Writing at the NAS Online Forum, Brooklyn College professor K.C. Johnson discusses at length his experience with education school "dispositions" requirement that are clearly designed to filter out from education schools anyone who doesn't completely buy the whole "social justice" mindset that is so predominant among the faculty and administrators.

You should read the whole thing, but here's a paragraph to whet your appetite:

 

Meanwhile, I heard back from Evan and two other students of mine, Christina Harned and Simon Tong, that the Education course's instructor demanded that they recognize "white English" as the "oppressors' language," and, without explanation, had the class spend its session before Election Day 2004 screening Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. The alleged "bullying" behavior came when several students complained to the professor about the course's politicized content, prompting her to inform them that their previous education had left them "brainwashed" on matters relating to race and social justice. The three students, as well as a fourth, Scott Madden, who had a similar experience with the same instructor the previous semester, communicated this information to the dean of the Brooklyn Ed School. Five other students would subsequently file statements.

 

I tip my hat to Professor Johnson for having the guts to expose the real bullies, namely the ed-school thought police and their dictatorial regime.

Posted By: Pariah Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-28 2:19 AM
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In dealing with you, it's often true.




In editing my quote, you've proved yourself an advocate of censorship. And since you're a liberal atheist....

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Have you read a Dave Barry book before?




I didn't say that Dave Barry was partisan. In fact, I think he's one of the few real moderates out there. That doesn't mean a particular stand he takes or statement from him isn't patently conservative--Even if he's not totally conservative himself.

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No, I made a general comment about today's political world.




Yes, a generally liberal comment that had to do with modern "extremists" and their alleged blind loyalty to the administration.

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You took that general comment, and applied an extrememly specific message to it.




Stones in a glass house...

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He was saying that the government is generally corrupt and not trustworthy.




Say what you want about me being wrong regarding exactly who are the advocates of Federal Government and who aren't, but I'm not the one who tried to impose his "generally" judgemental views towards politicians in another person's opinion. I say this in knowing that when you say "government," you mean "administration."

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That's not spin. It's called giving a counter example.




No. It's not.

You used the same quote that G-man did as your basis, and then you applied an entirely different POV of what it meant while attempting to use its own criteria to justify it. That's a definite spin. A "counter example" would be pulling up an entirely different citation as a way of combating G-man's argument. Instead, you tried to use it against him.

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Spin is what you and G-Man are doing: spinning the joke as a support of a political ideology. I was countering that spin with an example to the contrary, showing that you have read something into that wasn't really there.

You pretty much admitted this with your post:

"I may have over-assumed the intent of Barry--I admit I probably shouldn't have"

So, now I've had to explain humor and simple debate to you. What has happened to our education system?




See? Now you're doing it again. You're spinning my words.

I didn't admit to "reading into the something that wasn't there." If you read more thoroughly, I said that the terminology of the joke, even if not consciously backed by Barry himself, is a fundamentally conservative outlook. Furthermore, the situation with James South, shows that they're looking at it similarly, which is exactly why we're talking about censorship. You already agreed with me that we're talking more about their interpretation than we are about Barry's intent.

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I didn't use the exact words "too broad". But you'd have to be either pretty stubbornly partisan or just pretty thick-headed not to get that that's what I was talking about.




If you say so....But you're wrong.

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...eh?

There are a lot of different ideas about what exactly "the government" is, and so in discussing it, there can be some cognitive dissonance there.




Stop trying to confuse the issue; "Administration" and "Federal Government" are two different terms.

If you can't understand that, then that's on you.

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Yes, obviously. It was censorship, and stupid censorship.

Just not liberal censorship.




That's a double standard if I ever heard one considering you just said it was "stupid" censorship.

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You said that it was too broad for me to be applying it to Bush, despite the fact that I wasn't talking about Bush,




You only assumed that the strip was from about a decade ago after I called you out on your interpretation of the strip. That would mean it was before "today's USA conservatives." i.e. It was more likely towards Carter's and Clinton's reign than any "conservative Administration" you're thinking of. Then again, it's pretty obvious whatever conservative administration you were thinking of in your first post had nothing to do with the past....

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then you said in the very next post it had an "inherent" conservative lean to it.




Obviously you've never heard of an "archetype." I'm not actually saying that Barry's conservative. As I said before: A particular statement or stand on government that he makes can be conservative without him actually being totally conservative himself.

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So, if it's argument for the left(one I wasn't making), it's too broad. If it's an argument for the right...it's just specific enough.




Unless you're pleaing Devil's Advocate, this statement is in and of itself an argument for the left

In any event, that all depends on what statement we're arguing over now doesn't it? It's very possible it could be. But in this case, I've already gone over how the strip's wording doesn't coencide with the left at all since "Administration" and "Federal Government" are not the same thing. Furthermore, it already been demonstrated how such a statement does fit well with conservatives. Aside from you saying, "it's general!" I haven't seen a liberal archetype that's comfortable with such a statement that's against the Federal Government.

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I don't think it has a conservative lean to it because I don't think he was talking about a kind of government(i.e specifically what role the government played).




He said "Federal Government."
Posted By: Animalman Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-10-28 12:52 PM
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In editing my quote, you've proved yourself an advocate of censorship. And since you're a liberal atheist....




Satirization and censorship are not the same thing, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

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I didn't say that Dave Barry was partisan.




Dave Barry isn't partisan, but his jokes are?

That doesn't make much sense. Having a political tilt and being partisan aren't the same.

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Yes, a generally liberal comment that had to do with modern "extremists" and their alleged blind loyalty to the administration.




I think there are a good number of people in this country blindly loyal to the administration(and, by extension, the government the administration helps run), and of those people, the majority are conservative.

If that's a "liberal" opinion...then so be it.

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Stones in a glass house...




C'mon. You can do better than that.

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Say what you want about me being wrong regarding exactly who are the advocates of Federal Government and who aren't, but I'm not the one who tried to impose his "generally" judgemental views towards politicians in another person's opinion. I say this in knowing that when you say "government," you mean "administration."




You know that, do you? Strange, considering that I pointed out the distinction in this thread.

"Infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it."

I think the problem here is that you seem to think I'm attacking someone or some group, when I'm not. You seem so defensive about it that you're conjuring up imaginary slights where there are none. The government is not just the administration. I didn't say that, I didn't imply that. It's not true. I have never, in my years of posting here, ever said that the President and his staff are to blame for everything. That's cheap, mindless drivel completely lacking in rationality. It's unfortunate so many people believe it(by the way: I think the majority of those people are liberals; what does that make me now?), and something I think the media should take part of the blame for.

I really can't believe you're actually accusing me of imposing my views. Is that just what you do when you get bored? Throw that out there when you've got nothing left to say?

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You used the same quote that G-man did as your basis[, and then you applied an entirely different POV of what it meant while attempting to use its own criteria to justify it. A "counter example" would be pulling up an entirely different citation as a way of combating G-man's argument. Instead, you tried to use it against him.




I wasn't countering the quote...I was countering this part of G-Man's comment:

"Traditional conservatives (as well as libertarians) have tended to believe that government, at least big government, is a problem, not a solution."

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See? Now you're doing it again. You're spinning my words.

I didn't admit to "reading into the something that wasn't there." If you read more thoroughly, I said that the terminology of the joke, even if not consciously backed by Barry himself, is a fundamentally conservative outlook.




If that's what you really meant, then I misinterpreted you(I wasn't "spinning" what you said). However, you were pretty vague initially, and if you had said this in the first place, I wouldn't have disagreed with you.

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That's a double standard if I ever heard one considering you just said it was "stupid" censorship.




...explain, please, because I have absolutely no idea how it's a "double-standard" to say it's censorship and stupid cenorship, but not liberal censorship.

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You only assumed that the strip was from about a decade ago after I called you out on your interpretation of the strip. That would mean it was before "today's USA conservatives." i.e. It was more likely towards Carter's and Clinton's reign than any "conservative Administration" you're thinking of.




I don't know when the strip was, and I didn't assume when it was. You accused me of assuming Barry was talking about Bush:

"Your assumption that he's talking about government more literally (i.e. specifically talking about Bush), is totally opposite of Dave's comment."

I didn't assume Barry was talking about anybody specifically. I brought up today's political climate because it's somewhat relevant towards the interpretation of the joke(which we've already established is what's actually important), not towards Barry's original intent. I wasn't making that connection, you were.

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Obviously you've never heard of an "archetype." I'm not actually saying that Barry's conservative. As I said before: A particular statement or stand on government that he makes can be conservative without him actually being totally conservative himself.




You said "inherently conservative", though. If you wanted to say the comment had a conservative tilt, that would be one thing(though I'd still disagree). Saying it was inherently conservative, to me, implies its denotive of the whole(the whole in this case being Barry's political beliefs).

Perhaps that's just my english major background talking. It probably isn't wise to get into semantics at this point. Either way, your diction belies your actual argument at certain points.

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But in this case, I've already gone over how the strip's wording doesn't coencide with the left at all since "Administration" and "Federal Government" are not the same thing. Furthermore, it already been demonstrated how such a statement does fit well with conservatives.




Wait...so, you're agreeing with me? After all this? Because it feels like you are.

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Aside from you saying, "it's general!" I haven't seen a liberal archetype that's comfortable with such a statement that's against the Federal Government.




A liberal archetype? I know what an archetype is, but I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking me to do, here.

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He said "Federal Government."




When I said "kind of government", I meant the different roles it could take, while stil within the confines of federalism.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Liberal Profs Censor...Dave Barry? - 2006-11-01 7:04 AM
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Satirization and censorship are not the same thing, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.




I understand now that you believe censorship is a form of satire...

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Dave Barry isn't partisan, but his jokes are?

That doesn't make much sense. Having a political tilt and being partisan aren't the same.




It wouldn't be so hard to understand if you would pay attention to when I use the term "moderate." Jim Jackson is one of the most passionate left-wingers here, but his adamance against abortion is downright conservative. Considering his overwhelming number of leftist views, you couldn't call him moderate, but this example is definitely in the same vein as most moderate cases.

You're essentially saying that Dave Barry can't have an opinion that's primarily conservative just because he's not totally conservative--Which is utter BS.

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You know that, do you? Strange, considering that I pointed out the distinction in this thread.

"Infact, in today's USA, the conservatives tend to be the ones saying we should all trust the government, or, at least, the conservative administration running it."

I think the problem here is that you seem to think I'm attacking someone or some group, when I'm not. You seem so defensive about it that you're conjuring up imaginary slights where there are none. The government is not just the administration. I didn't say that, I didn't imply that. It's not true.




Actually, you did imply it. There's no evidence that you implied it knowingly, but it was implied nonetheless. For I have pointed out multiple times how you made that 'trust in conservative administration" statement in regards to Barry's comment on the "Federal Government," which, all by itself, does not allude to the administration in any way.

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I really can't believe you're actually accusing me of imposing my views. Is that just what you do when you get bored? Throw that out there when you've got nothing left to say?




You said that Barry made that comment to express how governments are "generally corrupt." In contrary to your beliefs Ani, not everyone makes such sweeping generalizations about politicians before they've at least read about them. From your interpretation of that quote being a timeless illustration of what the government is (which, again, I find that you've confused with administration), it's obvious that you imposed your own opinion into Barry's words.

There's no need for an indignant tone. I think you just made a mistake.

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I wasn't countering the quote...I was countering this part of G-Man's comment:

"Traditional conservatives (as well as libertarians) have tended to believe that government, at least big government, is a problem, not a solution."




Nice dodge.

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If that's what you really meant, then I misinterpreted you(I wasn't "spinning" what you said). However, you were pretty vague initially, and if you had said this in the first place, I wouldn't have disagreed with you.




If so, I apologize.

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You said "inherently conservative", though. If you wanted to say the comment had a conservative tilt, that would be one thing(though I'd still disagree). Saying it was inherently conservative, to me, implies its denotive of the whole(the whole in this case being Barry's political beliefs).




I think you just rounded up the phrase. Like I said, a particular opinion coined by Barry can be conservative without every view from him being as such.

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Wait...so, you're agreeing with me? After all this? Because it feels like you are.




No. Because ultimately you feel the strip is more indicative of liberal standards as far as modern day politics goes whereas I think it's conservative in both past and present.

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A liberal archetype? I know what an archetype is, but I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking me to do, here.




I have never heard a card carrying liberal say that the federal government was an ultimate evil. I hear the term "government" thrown around a great deal, but beyond their complaints of how the administration maintains it, they've never said that the Federal entity in itself was "corrupt." In fact, as I pointed out earlier, Liberals are the ones that feel more and more government sanctions are required within private organizations.

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When I said "kind of government", I meant the different roles it could take, while stil within the confines of federalism.




....Um....Okay?

I don't get what you mean, but it's irrelevent anyway.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Prof Harasses Conservative - 2006-11-09 5:15 AM
Lawsuit Challenges Academic 'Freedom'

    Brooker v. The Governors of Missouri State University (MSU), was filed on Oct. 30 by the Alliance Defend Fund on behalf of Emily Brooker, a student in the university's school of social work. The ADF, a Christian legal group that advocates religious freedom, accuses tax-funded MSU of retaliating against Brooker because she refused to sign a letter to the Missouri Legislature in support of homosexual adoption as part of a class project.

    Gay adoption violates Brooker's Christian beliefs.

    ADF says the letter violated her First Amendment rights to free speech and freedom of religion; the subsequent punishment violated her Fourteenth Amendment rights to due process and equal protection.

    Brooker's lawsuit...alleges the following:

    In 2002, Brooker entered MSU for a bachelor of social work degree. In Spring 2005, she enrolled in "Social Welfare Policy and Services I" taught by Frank G. Kauffman, a non-tenured assistant professor. The course was a requirement; that is, Brooker could not graduate without passing it.

    When Kauffman reportedly "engaged in leftist diatribes denigrating President Bush," Brooker and several other students objected. She received an atypically bad grade which, after a year of effort, was successfully appealed.

    Unfortunately, Kauffman taught another required course that Brooker attended in Fall 2005. Students were required to engage in a social work advocacy project of their choice; Brooker chose "homelessness," but Kauffman ordered the entire class to focus on advocating for the rights of gays to adopt and serve as foster parents, which he strongly favors.

    Using a draft that Kauffman provided as their guide, the students were to compose and individually sign a letter on MSU letterhead in support of gay adoption which was addressed to the Missouri State legislature. Brooker declined. Eventually Kauffman agreed that she could write "an alternate letter." Before this agreement occurred, however, Brooker and another student went to an outside professor for advice. Perhaps due to pressure from coworkers, Kauffman dropped the letter campaign.

    After Brooker completed the course, she learned that Kauffman had filed a Level 3 Grievance against her. A Level 3 is the most serious charge that can be directed at a student's academic performance, and such a mark on her record significantly impairs Brooker's potential for employment or enrollment elsewhere.

    The School of Social Work's Standard of Essential Functioning states, "More often, a Level 3 review is conducted when concerns have not been resolved in prior reviews…or when the student is being considered for withdrawal or discontinuance in the program."

    Brooker had undergone no prior review.

    On Dec. 16, Brooker faced a two-and-a-half hour ethics review conducted by faculty, including Kauffman. Brooker was permitted neither legal representation nor her parents' presence. A written transcript of the meeting was not allowed.

    Three accusations were aired. One was 'tardiness' for which no other MSU student had ever received a Level 3 review. The overwhelming focus, however, was on her refusal to sign Kauffman's letter.

    The education journal Insider Higher Education reported, "According to the [ADF] complaint…faculty members asked Brooker: "'Do you think gays and lesbians are sinners? Do you think I am a sinner?'"

    In their third accusation, the committee allegedly claimed "that Ms. Brooker's Christian beliefs conflicted with the National Association of Social Worker Code of Ethics (NASWCE)." It demanded she write a paper on how to "lessen the gap" between her personal beliefs and professional obligations.

    At a later meeting, as a condition of continuing her degree, Brooker was required to sign a contract pledging to conform to the NASWCE. However Allison Hadelhaft of NASW's national office denies that the group's ethics code requires a social worker to hold a specific view on homosexuality or to compromise their religious beliefs.

    Brooker received a one-day deadline to sign. She complied under protest.

    Brooker's complaint declares, "Statements in the contract implied that Ms. Brooker had engaged in additional unprofessional behavior. Further, there were several contradictions in the language of the contract."

    Brooker graduated on May 19, 2006. This lawsuit is a test case that almost certainly will go to court or result in a very public apology that alters MSU policy. It asks not only to remove the stain of a Level 3 from Brooker's record but also to compensate her financially.

    If successful, the lawsuit may reverberate through academia. The tax-funded policies at MSU are similar to those in other universities where parallel dramas play out.

    For example, last year Rhode Island College’s School of Social Work required a master’s degree student, who identified himself as politically conservative, to publicly advocate for political causes to which he morally objected. When the student refused, he was informed "he could no longer pursue a master’s degree in social work policy" at the college.

    David French, a senior legal counsel with ADF, said the Brooker case illustrates the brazenness with which universities now violate a student's freedom of conscience.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Prof Harasses Conservative - 2006-11-18 7:21 PM
On Campus, a Culture of Conformity

    It is a well-known fact that professors lean to the left. According to a recently released study by the Institute for Jewish & Community Research, professors are more likely to identify as liberals than as conservatives by a ratio of 3-to-1. In the social sciences and humanities the figure is 5-to-1.

    These findings were not particularly surprising. More interesting are the effects of this overwhelming ideological uniformity. According to our survey, 63% of American faculty members say that their colleagues are sometimes reluctant to express their true opinions when those opinions contradict dominant views on campus. In institutions whose very reason for being is to promote free inquiry, that number should be zero.

    If most American professors — even those protected by tenure — feel constrained in speaking their minds, then American campuses are going to be poor places to learn.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2006-12-13 12:57 AM
Quote:

Jim Jackson said:
If someone points out real stats that show I'm wrong, I'll gladly apologize. I meant no offense by it. But if you extend the idea that Universities are Liberal bastions, then it only makes sense to assert that most educated people are Liberal.

Universities are full of educated people. It's kind of a prerequisite for getting a job. And Universities are Liberal bastions.

Draw the conclusion.




KC Johnson is professor of history at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center, where he teaches offerings in 20th century U.S. constitutional, political, and diplomatic history.

Johnson has an essay detailing how elite universities manage to populate their faculties with political radicals whose commitment to leftist causes is unquestioned, but their scholarship is suspect (at best) by


  • Manipulating Search Committees
  • disproportionately awarding lines for new hires to favored departments
  • Prioritizing Ideological Conformity


The post is an excellent primer for those with little or no exposure to the inner workings of faculty search committees, and even a jaded cynic like me was surprised by some of the revelations — including a proposal at the University of Arizona to make the “advancement of diversity” the “primary” indicator of quality in faculty hiring

    The plan, part of a broader emphasis on diversity in hiring at Arizona, envisions a university in which “diversity” rather than academic quality becomes the primary motive for hiring, promotion, and tenure. According to the campus diversity plan, in faculty personnel matters, “In order to make significant progress in creating a more diverse faculty and a campus that truly embraces diversity, the advancement of diversity must be established as a primary indicator of quality.” Until diversity, the report concludes, “is included in the institutional family of primary indicators of quality, other indicators will continue to trump it – especially in the hiring of new faculty.” The U of A contends that “this does not mean lessening our commitment to excellence in research and teaching,” but such a claim is absurd: research and teaching, according to the “diversity” plan, will have to meet an ideological litmus test before being judged on their quality. Indeed, the plan argues, “Depending upon the discipline,” new faculty should be required to “conduct research and contribute to the growing body of knowledge on the importance of valuing diversity.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs - 2007-01-28 6:31 PM
Ruth Wisse is the Martin Peretz Professor of Yiddish Literature and a professor of comparative literature at Harvard. She argues that universities are, at times, paralyzed by their left-wing faculty members:

    University administrations live in fear--but not of al Qaeda or the destructive capabilities of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il. They fear the tactics of disruption and violent uprising perfected by radicals of the 1960s and available to their heirs. The more prestigious the university, the more traumatized it seems to be by memories of riots it was once powerless to quell.

    Preying on those fears, dissident groups have learned to use the politics of intimidation to impose their agenda, as was recently demonstrated by a consortium of student groups at Columbia University that organized to prevent the speech of Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist. So far, Columbia's President Lee Bollinger has left these hooligans unpunished, making it all the more unlikely that he would risk inviting them or their peers to participate in the national defense.

    Recent surveys confirm that university faculties have been tilting steadily leftward, but I think it is wrong to assume they have been tilting toward "liberalism" as is commonly assumed.

    Liberalism worthy of the name emphasizes freedom of the individual, democracy and the rule of law. Liberalism is prepared to fight for those freedoms through constitutional participatory government, and to protect those freedoms, in battle if necessary. What we see on the American campus is not liberalism, but a gutted and gutless "gliberalism," that leaves to others the responsibility for governance, and arrogates to itself the right to criticize. It accepts money from the public purse without assuming reciprocal duties for the public good.

    Instead of debating public policy in the public arena, faculty says, "I quit," but then continues to draw benefits from the system it will not protect.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Colleges Harass Conservatives - 2007-04-23 4:04 AM
A pro-life display at Duke is vandalized, according the Duke New Sense.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Prof Harasses Conservatives - 2007-10-14 6:48 PM
George Will

  • In 2005, Emily Brooker, a social-work student at Missouri State University, was enrolled in a class taught by a professor who advertised himself as a liberal and insisted that social work is a liberal profession. At first, a mandatory assignment for his class was to advocate homosexual foster homes and adoption, with all students required to sign an advocacy letter, on university stationery, to the state legislature.

    When Brooker objected on religious grounds, the project was made optional. But shortly before the final exam she was charged with a "Level 3," the most serious, violation of professional standards. In a 2 1/2 -hour hearing -- which she was forbidden to record and which her parents were barred from attending -- the primary subject was her refusal to sign the letter. She was ordered to write a paper ("Written Response about My Awareness") explaining how she could "lessen the gap" between her ethics and those of the social-work profession.... (University eventually paid restititution)

    The NAS study says that at Rhode Island College's School of Social Work, a conservative student, William Felkner, received a failing grade in a course requiring students to lobby the state legislature for a cause mandated by the department. Sandra Fuiten abandoned her pursuit of a social-work degree at the University of Illinois at Springfield after the professor, in a course that required students to lobby the legislature on behalf of positions prescribed by the professor, told her that it is impossible to be both a social worker and an opponent of abortion.

    In the month since the NAS released its study, none of the schools covered by it has contested its findings. Because there might as well be signs on the doors of many schools of social work proclaiming "conservatives need not apply,"
Posted By: the G-man The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-17 4:54 AM
Writing in the Washington Post, Robert Maranto, a former member of the Clinton administration, asks "are university faculties biased toward the left? And is this diminishing universities' role in American public life? "

  • I spent four years in the 1990s working at the centrist Brookings Institution and for the Clinton administration and felt right at home ideologically. Yet during much of my two decades in academia, I've been on the "far right"

    At many of the colleges I've taught at or consulted for, a perusal of the speakers list and the required readings in the campus bookstore convinced me that a student could probably go through four years without ever encountering a right-of-center view portrayed in a positive light.

    Recently, my Villanova colleague Richard Redding and my longtime collaborator Frederick Hess commissioned a set of studies to ascertain how rare conservative professors really are, and why.

    Among the findings:
    • conservatives and libertarians are outnumbered by liberals and Marxists by roughly two to one in economics, more than five to one in political science, and by 20 to one or more in anthropology and sociology.
    • strong statistical evidence that talented conservative undergraduates in the humanities, social sciences and sciences are less likely to pursue a Ph.D than their liberal peers...in part because they are offered fewer opportunities to do research with their professors.
    • academic job markets seem to discriminate against socially conservative Ph.Ds. ... these academics must publish more books and articles to get the same jobs as their liberal peers. Among professors who have published a book, 73 percent of Democrats are in high-prestige colleges and universities, compared with only 56 percent of Republicans.
  • subtle biases in how conservative students and professors are treated in the classroom and in the job market have very unsubtle effects on the ideological makeup of the professoriate. The resulting lack of intellectual diversity harms academia by limiting the questions academics ask, the phenomena we study and ultimately the conclusions we reach.

    All this is bad for society because academics' ideological blinders make it more difficult to solve domestic problems and to understand foreign challenges. Moreover, a leftist ideological monoculture is bad for universities, rendering them intellectually dull places imbued with careerism rather than the energy of contending ideas, a point made by academic critics across the ideological spectrum from Russell Jacoby on the left to Josiah Bunting III on the right.

    Ultimately, universities will have to clean their own houses. Professors need to re-embrace a culture of reasoned inquiry and debate. And since debate requires disagreement, higher education needs to encourage intellectual diversity in its hiring and promotion decisions with something like the fervor it shows for ethnic and racial diversity. It's the only way universities will earn back society's respect and reclaim their role at the center of public life.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-17 5:06 AM
It sounds like they want to give conservatives some sort of miniority status.
Posted By: the G-man Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-17 5:14 AM
I don't think so. The reference to "ethnic diversity" was, it appears, simply a metaphor, a reminder that colleges embrace diversity of skin color and should also embrace diversity of thought.

In support of this, I would note part of the article I didn't cite, where the author says:
  • Conservative activist David Horowitz and Students for Academic Freedom, a group he supports, advocate an Academic Bill of Rights guaranteeing equality for ideological minorities (typically conservatives) and ensuring that faculty are hired and promoted and students graded solely on the basis of their competence and knowledge, not their ideology or religion. That sounds great in theory, but it could have the unintended consequence of encouraging any student who gets a C to plead ideological bias.


Accordingly, I don't think he's looking for quotas, speech codes or any sort of legislative action on a par with "affirmative action." Instead, it appears that he's suggesting, simply, that colleges should put their biases aside and hire the best person for the job.
 Originally Posted By: the G-man

fuck off, cunt!

fair play, G-man?
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It sounds like they want to give conservatives some sort of miniority status.

but then conservatives would have to complain about special treatment being given to themselves. and then Liberals would defend conservatives because they're a minority. which conservatives would use to point out that Liberals are soft on conservatives because of their minority status.

it just keeps going and going and going.
Posted By: the G-man Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-17 3:49 PM
 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
What I love best: wasting space on the politics board


Posted By: Wank and Cry Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-17 7:53 PM




Posted By: The Pun-isher Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-18 7:51 AM
Princeton student fakes attack

After reading this, one has to be concerned about whether some of other conspiracy theories and accusations of liberal conniving targeting conservatives are nothing more than a...well...you get the idea.

And this will make it harder to convince people that legit incidents are indeed legit.
Posted By: whomod Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-18 11:25 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Buchanan rightly points out (as in the example of George W. Bush and Karl Rove's attempt to pander to hispanic voters) that no matter how much Republicans pander to hispanic voters by lowering immigration enforcement, hispanics remain loyal Democrats, no matter what.
So Republicans can't buy hispanic voters by turning their backs on illegal immigration. It just doesn't work. (Funny how you approve of this hispanic-pandering lack of enforcement by Bush and Rove, while you rail at everything else they've done)


 Quote:
Police: Princeton student faked attack

By GEOFF MULVIHILL, Associated Press Writer Mon Dec 17, 6:31 PM ET

MOUNT LAUREL, N.J. - A Princeton University student who argued that his conservative views were not accepted on the campus confessed to fabricating an assault and sending threatening e-mail messages to himself and some friends who shared his views, authorities said Monday.

Princeton Township police said that Francisco Nava was not immediately charged with any crime, but that the investigation was continuing.

Nava claimed to have been assaulted Friday by two men off campus, police said. But he later confessed that scrapes and scratches on his face were self-inflicted, and that the threats were his work, too, said Detective Sgt. Ernie Silagyi...


Wonder Boy and Pat Buchanan should tell this guy that he's supposed to be voting Democratic.

Otherwise their half assed theories and assertions are all shot to shit.
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
What I love best: wasting space on the politics board



see, another example of how conservatives just aren't creative.
Posted By: The Pun-isher Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-18 4:34 PM
 Originally Posted By: whomod


Is it still Kamphausening if it happens in the same thread? Not that I'm trying to Rob you of your right to make your point...
Posted By: the G-man Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2007-12-18 5:31 PM
 Originally Posted By: The Pun-isher
Princeton student fakes attack

After reading this, one has to be concerned about whether some of other conspiracy theories and accusations of liberal conniving targeting conservatives are nothing more than a...well...you get the idea.

And this will make it harder to convince people that legit incidents are indeed legit.


True dat. It's kind of like that incident a year or so ago where some black student faked a hate crime against himself.
Posted By: rex Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2008-05-25 9:49 PM
This is how you bsams. Pay attention whomod.
Posted By: the G-man Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2008-05-27 5:47 PM
Dartmouth Against Democracy

  • If you think Hillary Clinton has been slow to accept the results at the ballot box, meet the folks who run Dartmouth College.

    Like Sen. Clinton, the powers that be at Dartmouth have been getting trounced at the voting booth by an opposition campaigning for change. Like Sen. Clinton, Dartmouth's establishment has responded with increasingly desperate attacks. And like Sen. Clinton, its hopes of victory now depend on increasing the power and influence of unelected officials.

    In Mrs. Clinton's case, these are called superdelegates. In Dartmouth's case, they are the self-perpetuating members of the Board of Trustees.

    T.J. Rodgers – class of 1970 and CEO of Cypress Semiconductor – ran for one of the board's alumni seats. Mr. Rodgers had to mount a petition drive just to get his name on the ballot, and then won election by a comfortable margin. Like many of his fellow alums, Mr. Rodgers is a passionate believer in the liberal arts, and his platform stressed high academic standards, free speech and the primacy of the undergraduate mission at Dartmouth.

    "It sounds hammy," he says. "But Dartmouth is unique because it has this great liberal arts tradition and people who just love the place."

    Since Mr. Rodgers's election, three other alums have also run as "petition candidates": Peter Robinson, '79; Todd Zywicki, '88; and Stephen Smith, '88. All have run on themes stressing accountability and the quality of undergraduate education. And all have been elected by their fellow alums.

    Only in academe could an institution respond the way Dartmouth has. Instead of embracing reform, the Dartmouth establishment and its allies have launched personal attacks on the four popularly elected petition trustees.

    In a recent letter from 12 establishment trustees sent to all alumni (a mailing list Dartmouth refuses to share with the elected trustees), the four were accused of pursuing "Washington-style politics" as part of a "political agenda" (read: vast right-wing conspiracy).

    To end their influence on the board, the college approved a plan that would transfer real oversight to an unelected executive committee – and give unelected trustees a 2-1 numerical advantage on the board, down from the 50/50 split today.

    Mr. Robinson is a fellow presidential speechwriter and friend, and I know Messrs. Zywicki and Smith – both law professors in Virginia – by reputation. All three are reasonably described as conservative.

    Mr. Rodgers, by contrast, is a libertarian who favors gay marriage and opposes the war in Iraq. Far from pursuing a political agenda, these men have all run on an Obama-style campaign for change that Dartmouth alumni can believe in. For all to have won the popular vote of an Ivy League electorate underscores the real message here: A high level of alumni discontent with the Dartmouth establishment.

    Which brings us back to the current election. Right now, the Association of Alumni is supporting a lawsuit that is the only thing stopping Dartmouth from implementing its board-packing plan. In other words, the election for the association's leadership is in fact a referendum on the board-packing plan.

    Daniel King, '02, sums it up well. Mr. King describes himself as "an openly gay man, a teacher, a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party, the ACLU, and the Human Rights Campaign." In an essay posted online, he puts it this way: "The real battle going on is one between an overly paternalistic College administration, supported by a rubber-stamp Board of Trustees that has totally abdicated its oversight responsibilities – and, on the other side, loyal alumni from all sides of the political spectrum who wish to not see the value of their Dartmouth degree plummet and to preserve the historic and unique ties that alumni have to our alma mater."

    Precisely. Next week marks the end of elections for both the Democrats and Dartmouth. Only the latter results will really mean anything. And that's why, when the rest of America is zeroing in on Hillary, some of us will be looking at Hanover.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2008-05-27 11:11 PM



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College

  • Dartmouth was founded by Eleazar Wheelock, a Puritan minister from Connecticut, who sought to establish a school to train Indians as ministers to spread civilization and Christianity.
    Wheelock's inspiration for such an establishment largely resulted from his relationship with Mohegan Indian Samson Occom. Occom became an ordained minister after studying under Wheelock’s tutelage from 1743 to 1747 and later moved to Long Island to preach to the Montauks.[19]

    Wheelock instituted Moor's Indian Charity School in 1755.[20] The Charity School proved somewhat successful, but additional funding was necessary to continue school’s operations. To this end, Wheelock sought the help of friends to raise money. Occom, accompanied by Reverend Nathaniel Whitaker, traveled to England in 1766 to raise money in the dissenting churches of that nation. With the funds, they established a trust to help Wheelock.[19]

    Although the fund provided Wheelock ample financial support for the Charity School, Wheelock had trouble recruiting Indians to the institution – primarily because its location was far from tribal territories. Receiving the best land offer from New Hampshire, Wheelock approached the Royal Governor of the Province of New Hampshire John Wentworth for a charter.
    Wentworth, acting in the name King George III of the United Kingdom, granted Dartmouth a royal charter on December 13, 1769, establishing the final colonial college and naming the institution after his English friend, William Legge, 2nd Earl of Dartmouth.[19] Dartmouth's purpose, according to the original charter, was to provide for the Christianization, instruction, and education of "youth of the Indian Tribes in this land [...] and also of English youth and any others."


Like all the Ivy League schools, how far it has fallen from its original Christian roots and mission, to become a tool of those who despise what it originally stood for.
Posted By: rex Re: The left-leaning towers of ivory - 2008-05-28 1:00 AM
You've been wiki-pwnd!
Posted By: the G-man Prof Makes Students Attack Palin? - 2008-09-18 8:36 PM
Metro State Prof Investigated For Palin Assignment:

  • Metro State College is investigating a professor who asked students to write an essay critical of Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin.

    One student said the instructor singled out Republican students in the class and allowed others to ridicule them.

    Instructor Andrew Hallam asked students to write an essay to contradict what he called the 'fairy tale image of Palin'

    Metro State officials are investigating claims of bias, harassment and bullying.

    Hallam declined an interview with CBS4. He has revised the assignment.
Posted By: the G-man Prof Fired for Supporting Bush - 2008-11-17 10:41 PM
New York Law Journal:
  • A former New York college instructor may proceed with a claim that he was denied tenure because school administrators disapproved of his conservative politics and support for President George W. Bush, not for deficiencies as an educator, a federal judge has ruled.

    Michael Filozof has presented sufficient evidence of a possible First Amendment violation ... on his free speech claim, Western District Court Judge David G. Larimer has determined.

    Filozof contends the tenure track he was on as a political science instructor at the Rochester, N.Y., community college was suddenly derailed in 2003, during a period of hot debate among students and faculty over the ramp-up to the war in Iraq. His complaint characterized faculty and administrators as liberals who are intolerant of right-of-center viewpoints.

    Filozof's department recommended that his contract be renewed for a second year, calling him an "exceedingly gifted teacher" and including unsolicited letters from students praising his work.

    The liberal arts dean at the college, Chet Rogalski ... recommended against renewal... The trustees at the college ultimately voted against rehiring Filozof.

    "It is clear from Rogalski's handwritten notes outlining the written recommendation that his conclusion ... referred to Filozof's political views," the judge wrote.

    The judge also wrote that the timing of the decision not to renew Filozof's contract is "suggestive of a potential causal relationship" between the decision and Filozof's expressions of support for Bush and the Iraq war.

    "Politically charged" conversations were occurring at the college about the country's involvement in Iraq, Larimer wrote, and Filozof had posted an American flag sticker on his office door with a pro-Bush slogan on it, leaving no doubt where he stood.


Just think: if, instead of putting a flag sticker on his door, Filozof had firebombed the Pentagon, he'd probably have tenure today.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Prof Fired for Supporting Bush - 2008-11-17 10:44 PM
His prank was too lame for tenure.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Prof Fired for Supporting Bush - 2008-11-17 10:51 PM
He should have put the flag sticker on a Molotov cocktail and flung it at a judge's car I guess.
Posted By: the G-man Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2008-12-16 8:20 PM
Targeted for Being Conservative? Ex-student at Rhode Island college sues school and several professors, claiming persecution by 'liberal political machine'
  • A former student at the Rhode Island College School of Social Work is suing the school and several of his professors for discrimination, saying he was persecuted by the school's "liberal political machine" for being a conservative.

    William Felkner says the New England college and six professors wouldn't approve his final project on welfare reform because he was on the "wrong" side of political issues and countered the school's "progressive" liberal agenda.

    He said Professor James Ryczek wrote to him on Oct. 15, 2004, saying he was proud of his bias and questioning Felkner's ability to "fit with the profession."

    "I think the biases and predilections I hold toward how I see the world and how it should be are why I am a social worker. In the words of a colleague, I revel in my biases," he wrote.

    Felkner's complaint also alleges discrimination by other professors and administrators.

    Felkner said he received failing grades in Ryczek's class for holding viewpoints opposed to the progressive direction of the class.

    Felkner says he was also discriminated against by Professor Roberta Pearlmutter, who he says refused to allow him to participate in a group project lobbying for a conservative issue because the assignment was to lobby for a liberal issue. He alleges that Perlmutter spent a 50-minute class "assailing" his views and allowed students to openly ridicule his conservative positions, and that she reduced his grade because he was not "progressive."

    The Rhode Island College School of Social Work did not respond to a request for comment.
My wife has seen similar problems at her school.
Posted By: iggy Re: How Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2008-12-16 8:39 PM
Yeah, I remember something similar to that when I worked as a staff member in public health. Most all of we staff members were conservative while all the faculty was crazy liberal. Made for some interesting times in the 2004 election.
Posted By: the G-man "Ask God What Your Grade Is" - 2009-02-18 1:29 AM
Associated Press
  • A college student has filed a lawsuit saying a public speaking professor berated him in class for making a speech opposing same-sex marriage.

    In the federal court suit filed last week, student Jonathan Lopez said that midway through his speech, when he quoted a dictionary definition of marriage and recited a pair of Bible verses, professor John Matteson cut him off and would not allow him to finish. He said Matteson also called him a "fascist bastard."

    A student evaluation form included with the lawsuit lacks a score for Lopez's speech, and reads "ask God what your grade is."

    Matteson did not immediately respond to calls and e-mails seeking comment early Monday. Offices of the Los Angeles Community College District were closed for the Presidents Day holiday.

    Lopez made the speech at Los Angeles City College in November, days after the passage of Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California.

    "Basically, colleges and universities should give Christian students the same rights to free expression as other students," David J. Hacker, an attorney for the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal organization that is representing Lopez, told the Los Angeles Times.

    Lopez and his attorneys are seeking financial damages and want the court to strike down a code at Los Angeles City College forbidding students from making statements deemed offensive.
Posted By: the G-man Dave Berry Censored on Campus - 2009-09-28 7:50 PM

Barry discussing why freedom of expression is important to him and how todays politically correct college campuses are creating a culture of censorship that stifles humor writing and the opinions of millions of students across the country.

Background here:

  • In August 2006, a PhD student at Marquette University, Stuart Ditsler, posted a Dave Barry quote on his office door. The quote read, "As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful, and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government." In September, the University administration had the quote taken down because it was "patently offensive." On September 5, Distler received an email from the Philosophy Department Chair, James South, stating that there had been several complaints about the quote and that it had been removed as a result.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2009-12-10 5:23 PM

University of Minnesota Task Force's Discrimination-Based Teacher Education Plan

  • A branch of the University of Minnesota may require all education students at the school to understand and accept that they are either privileged or oppressed and that they be well-versed in issues like "white privilege," "institutional racism” and the "myth of meritocracy in the United States."

    Critics are condemning the Race, Culture, Class and Gender Task Group at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities, which proposes making race, class and gender issues the "overarching framework" of all teaching courses.

    The task group, formed as part of the Teacher Education Redesign Initiative at the state university, aims to change how future teachers are trained, based on the assertion that the teachers' lack of "cultural competence" contributes to minority students' poor grades.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harass Conservatives - 2010-01-17 8:10 AM
P.C. Never Died: Think campus censorship disappeared in the 1990s? Guess again.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2012-02-25 3:30 AM
 Originally Posted By: Pariah

Odd how liberal's think that pointing out how colleges suffer from bias teachers is conducive to saying that college is a bad thing...


Remember when liberals were spitting on soldiers and desecrating the flag during the previous administration and, if anyone pointed that out, they screamed we couldn't question their patriotism?
Posted By: Pariah Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2012-02-25 4:17 AM
Yes.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2012-02-25 4:30 AM
Hmmmm. Interesting. G-Man only came out because Pariah needed him.

I...see...hmmmmm.....

http://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1175419/Main/62944/#Post1175418
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2012-02-25 4:40 AM


 Originally Posted By: Pariah
Yes.
Conservative Kempetai would be better, because they're Japanese and can learn the kids maths as well. \:p
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2013-10-15 10:00 AM




College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds



 Quote:
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01



College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.

By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.



The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.

"What's most striking is how few conservatives there are in any field," said Robert Lichter, a professor at George Mason University and a co-author of the study. "There was no field we studied in which there were more conservatives than liberals or more Republicans than Democrats. It's a very homogenous environment, not just in the places you'd expect to be dominated by liberals."

Religious services take a back seat for many faculty members, with 51 percent saying they rarely or never attend church or synagogue and 31 percent calling themselves regular churchgoers. On the gender front, 72 percent of the full-time faculty are male and 28 percent female.

The findings, by Lichter and fellow political science professors Stanley Rothman of Smith College and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, are based on a survey of 1,643 full-time faculty at 183 four-year schools. The researchers relied on 1999 data from the North American Academic Study Survey, the most recent comprehensive data available.

The study appears in the March issue of the Forum, an online political science journal. It was funded by the Randolph Foundation, a right-leaning group that has given grants to such conservative organizations as the Independent Women's Forum and Americans for Tax Reform.

Rothman sees the findings as evidence of "possible discrimination" against conservatives in hiring and promotion. Even after factoring in levels of achievement, as measured by published work and organization memberships, "the most likely conclusion" is that "being conservative counts against you," he said. "It doesn't surprise me, because I've observed it happening." The study, however, describes this finding as "preliminary."

When asked about the findings, Jonathan Knight, director of academic freedom and tenure for the American Association of University Professors, said, "The question is how this translates into what happens within the academic community on such issues as curriculum, admission of students, evaluation of students, evaluation of faculty for salary and promotion." Knight said he isn't aware of "any good evidence" that personal views are having an impact on campus policies.

"It's hard to see that these liberal views cut very deeply into the education of students. In fact, a number of studies show the core values that students bring into the university are not very much altered by being in college."

Rothman, Lichter and Nevitte find a leftward shift on campus over the past two decades. In the last major survey of college faculty, by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching in 1984, 39 percent identified themselves as liberal.

In contrast with the finding that nearly three-quarters of college faculty are liberal, a Harris Poll of the general public last year found that 33 percent describe themselves as conservative and 18 percent as liberal.

The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. The professors and instructors surveyed are, strongly or somewhat, in favor of abortion rights (84 percent); believe homosexuality is acceptable (67 percent); and want more environmental protection "even if it raises prices or costs jobs" (88 percent). What's more, the study found, 65 percent want the government to ensure full employment, a stance to the left of the Democratic Party.

Recent campus controversies have reinforced the left-wing faculty image. The University of Colorado is reviewing its tenure system after one professor, Ward Churchill, created an uproar by likening World Trade Center victims to Nazis. Harvard's faculty of arts and sciences voted no confidence in the university's president, Lawrence Summers, after he privately wondered whether women had the same natural ability as men in science and math.

The study did not attempt to examine whether the political views of faculty members affect the content of their courses.

The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities.

Top-tier schools, roughly a third of the total, are defined as highly ranked liberal arts colleges and research universities that grant PhDs.

The most liberal faculties are those devoted to the humanities (81 percent) and social sciences (75 percent), according to the study. But liberals outnumbered conservatives even among engineering faculty (51 percent to 19 percent) and business faculty (49 percent to 39 percent).

The most left-leaning departments are English literature, philosophy, political science and religious studies, where at least 80 percent of the faculty say they are liberal and no more than 5 percent call themselves conservative, the study says.

"In general," says Lichter, who also heads the nonprofit Center for Media and Public Affairs, "even broad-minded people gravitate toward other people like themselves. That's why you need diversity, not just of race and gender but also, maybe especially, of ideas and perspective."

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2013-10-15 12:23 PM
Re-reading the topic, I saw G-man already posted this one on page 6.

But it's an extensive study, and therefore worth seeing again, and I posted it in its entirety.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2013-10-15 1:39 PM
And using that 2005 article as a measure, the University setting has moved even further left in recent years:


Moving Further to the Left


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October 24, 2012
by Scott Jaschik



Academics, on average, lean to the left. A survey being released today suggests that they are moving even more in that direction.

Among full-time faculty members at four-year colleges and universities, the percentage identifying as "far left" or liberal has increased notably in the last three years, while the percentage identifying in three other political categories has declined. The data come from the University of California at Los Angeles Higher Education Research Institute, which surveys faculty members nationwide every three years on a range of attitudes.

Here are the data for the new survey and the prior survey:

..........................2010-11......2007-8
Far left.................12.4%..........8.8%
Liberal..................50.3%........47.0%
Middle of the road..25.4%........28.4%
Conservative.........11.5%........15.2%
Far right.................0.4%..........0.7%

Gauging how gradual or abrupt this shift is is complicated because of changes in the UCLA survey's methodology; before 2007-8, the survey included community college faculty members, who have been excluded since. But for those years, examining only four-year college and university faculty members, the numbers are similar to those of 2007-8. Going back further, one can see an evolution away from the center.

In the 1998-9 survey, more than 35 percent of faculty members identified themselves as middle of the road, and less than half (47.5 percent) identified as liberal or far left. In the new data, 62.7 percent identify as liberal or far left. (Most surveys that have included community college faculty members have found them to inhabit political space to the right of faculty members at four-year institutions.)


The new data differ from some recent studies by groups other than the UCLA center that have found that professors (while more likely to lean left than right) in fact were doing so from more of a centrist position. A major study in 2007, for example, found that professors were more likely to be centrist than liberal, and that many on the left identified themselves as "slightly liberal." (That study and the new one use different scales, making exact comparisons impossible.)

In looking at the new data, there is notable variation by sector. Private research universities are the most left-leaning, with 16.2 percent of faculty members identifying as far left, and 0.1 percent as far right. (If one combines far left and liberal, however, private, four-year, non-religious colleges top private universities, 68.6 percent to 67.7 percent.) The largest conservative contingent can be found at religious, non-Roman Catholic four-year colleges, where 23.0 percent identify as conservative and another 0.6 percent say that they are far right.

Professors' Political Identification, 2010-11, by Sector

.......................................Far left......Liberal........Middle of the Road.....Conservative..... Far right
Public universities.............13.3%.........52.4%......24.7%.......................9.2%................0.3%
Private universities..............16.2%.......51.5%......22.3%..................... 9.8%................0.1%
Public, 4-year colleges .........8.8%........47.1%......28.7%..................... 14.7%.............. 0.7%
Private, 4-year, nonsectarian 14.0%......54.6%......22.6%......................8.6%.................0.3%
Private, 4-year, Catholic.......7.8%........48.0%......30.7%.....................13.3%.................0.3%
Private, 4-year, other religious 7.4%.....40.0%......29.1%.....................23.0%.................0.6%

The study found some differences by gender, with women further to the left than men. Among women, 12.6 percent identified as far left and 54.9 percent as liberal. Among men, the figures were 12.2 percent and 47.2 percent, respectively.

When it comes to the three tenure-track ranks, assistant professors were the most likely to be far left, but full professors were more likely than others to be liberal.

Professors' Political Identification, 2010-11, by Tenure Rank

...............................Far left.....Liberal......Middle of the Road.....Conservative.......Far right
Full professors...........11.8%......54.9%......23.4%......................9.7%...............0.2%
Associate professors...13.8%......50.4%......24.0%....................11.5%............ ..0.4%
Assistant professors...13.9%.......48.7%......25.9%...................11.2%................0.4%

So what do these data mean?

Sylvia Hurtado, professor of education at UCLA and director of the Higher Education Research Institute, said that she didn't know what to make of the surge to the left by faculty members. She said that she suspects age may be a factor, as the full-time professoriate is aging, but said that this is just a theory. Hurtado said that these figures always attract a lot of attention, but she thinks that the emphasis may be misplaced because of a series of studies showing no evidence that left-leaning faculty members are somehow shifting the views of their students or enforcing any kind of political requirement.

Neil Gross, a professor of sociology at the University of British Columbia, has written extensively on faculty political issues. He is the co-author of the 2007 report that found that while professors may lean left, they do so less than is imagined and less uniformly across institution type than is imagined, and that many are in the political middle.

He said that he couldn't be sure why more professors were identifying as far left, but that "during periods of significant economic downturn, and significant rise of inequality, it's not surprising" that such a shift would take place, especially given that in academe, "radicalism is still a live possibility."

Gross said that the "optics" of the data could lead to criticism of higher education. "From the vantage point of some folks, that will make academe look bad. For others, it will make academe look like a place concerned with the country."

Daniel Klein, a professor of economics at George Mason University who has written extensively about faculty political attitudes, said he was not surprised by the shift to the left. He said that he has seen "tendencies toward uniformity" in disciplines and departments, and that these trends tend to build upon themselves.

Klein said academe should worry about the impact of being further tilted to the left. He said that those in the ideological majority in higher education "shouldn't be so confident in their own outlook" that they don't see the cost of being seen by many as outside the mainstream. "For all the people who are skeptical of the left, and that's a lot of people, they will see academe as this vast apparatus of leftist groupthink."


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2014-03-06 5:04 PM



RUTGERS FACULTY URGE UNIVERSITY TO DROP CONDOLEEZZA RICE AS SPEAKER

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The Rutgers University faculty council has passed a resolution calling for the school to rescind Condoleezza Rice’s invitation to speak at commencement.

The former secretary of state drew the ire of the school’s professors for her “prominent role in [the Bush] administration’s efforts to mislead the American people about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the existence of links between al Qaeda and the Iraqi regime.”

Her efforts in the administration, according to the resolution, ”led to the second Iraq war, which caused the death of over 100,000 men, women and children, and the displacement of millions of others.”

The professors concluded that Rutgers should not honor someone who “participated in a political effort to circumvent the law” and pleaded for the school’s board of governors to rescind Rice’s invitation to speak.

The school newspaper, The Daily Targum, published an editorial that agreed with the faculty’s resolution that Rice should not speak at commencement and argued the student body wasn’t comfortable with anyone who has “questionable” politics.

“The point is, we just don’t feel comfortable having politicians as commencement speakers at all. A commencement speaker is meant to be someone who has made some extraordinary and meaningful accomplishments in their lives to inspire a generation of college graduates. Rice probably has a lot of advice on perseverance, dedication and hard work that she can offer to this year’s graduating class, but what she chose to do with those qualities is certainly questionable to us,” the editorial stated.

A university spokesman said that Rice’s selection was “unanimously approved” by the board of directors and there are no plans to cancel her appearance.

A similar situation occurred last year at Swarthmore College where another Bush official, Robert Zoellick, withdrew from speaking at his alma mater’s commencement after students vocally criticized his selection.





Superior liberal "tolerance" on full display. So much for open dialogue at the university level, and hearing all perspectives.

If this is how they treat a highly accomplished secretary of state, just imagine the propaganda and liberal intolerance they unleash on their students in the classroom on a daily basis.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2018-05-19 9:34 PM




Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2018-07-03 6:12 PM

Victor D Hanson; Explains How Hypocritical the Left is when it comes to Equality


While discussing the Democrat political leadership too, he mostly focuses on how liberal college professors demagogue middle class white Americans for "white privilege" and so forth, but in fact these academics enjoy enormously disproportionate salaries and perks, and gloss over the suffering of the white working class over the last 150 years or so for what little "white privilege" they might actually have.

A great citing of facts, listing ironies that abound, which at points are quite funny.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2018-11-18 12:25 AM


Not surprisingly, the academic scientific community likewise harasses and punishes scientific researchers who objectively question liberal orthodoxy. It's gratifying to see that so many are resisting that, once their tenure is secured.

SCIENTISTS IN REVOLT AGAINST GLOBAL WARMING


In part:

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Fifty-one thousand Canadian engineers, geologists, and geophysicists were recently polled by their professional organization. Sixty-eight percent of them disagree with the statement that "the debate on the scientific causes of recent climate change is settled." Only 26% attributed global warming to "human activity like burning fossil fuels." APEGGA's executive director Neil Windsor said, "We're not surprised at all. There is no clear consensus of scientists that we know of."

Dr. Joanne Simpson, one of the world's top weather scientists, expressed relief upon her retirement that she was finally free to speak "frankly" on global warming and announce that "as a scientist I remain skeptical." She says she remained silent for fear of personal attacks. Dr. Simpson was a pioneer in computer modeling and points out the obvious: computer models are not yet good enough to predict weather -- we cannot scientifically predict global climate trends.

Dr. Fred Singer, first director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, and physicist Dr. Seitz, past president of the APS, of Rockefeller University and of the National Academy of Science, argue that the computer models are fed questionable data and assumptions that determine the answers on global warming that the scientists expect to see.

Recently we've had a perfect example of the enforced global warming consensus falling apart. Berkeley Professor Muller did a media blitz with the findings of the latest analysis of all land temperature data, the BEST study, that he claimed once and for all proved that the planet is warming. Predictably, the Washington Post proclaimed that the BEST study had "settled the climate change debate" and showed that anyone who remained a skeptic was committing a "cynical fraud."

But within a week, Muller's lead co-author, Professor Curry, was interviewed in the British press (not reported in America), saying that the BEST data did the opposite: the global "temperature trend of the last decade is absolutely flat, with no increase at all - though the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have carried on rising relentlessly."



This is nowhere near what the climate models were predicting," Prof Curry said. "Whatever it is that's going on here, it doesn't look like it's being dominated by CO2." In fact, she added, in the wake of the unexpected global warming standstill, many climate scientists who had previously rejected sceptics' arguments were now taking them much more seriously. They were finally addressing questions such as the influence of clouds, natural temperature cycles and solar radiation - as they should have done, she said, a long time ago.

Other scientists jumped in, calling Muller's false claims to the media that BEST proved global warming "highly unethical." Professor Muller, confronted with dissent, caved and admitted that indeed, both ocean and land measurements show that global warming stopped increasing in 1998.

Media coverage on global warming has been criminally one-sided. The public doesn't know where the global warming theory came from in the first place. Answer: the U.N., not a scientific body. The threat of catastrophic warming was launched by the U.N. to promote international climate treaties that would transfer wealth from rich countries to developing countries. It was political from the beginning, with the conclusion assumed: the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (U.N. IPCC) was funded to report on how man was changing climate. Its scientific reports have been repeatedly corrected for misrepresentation and outright fraud.

This is important. Global warming theory did not come from a breakthrough in scientific research that enabled us to understand our climate. We still don't understand global climate any more than we understand the human brain or how to cure cancer. The science of global climate is in its infancy.





Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2019-06-18 10:40 PM


Professors and Politics: What the Research Says


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By Scott Jaschik
February 27, 2017


When Betsy DeVos on Thursday accused liberal faculty members of trying to force their views on students, the new education secretary infuriated many professors -- and won praise from some conservatives.
Most faculty members who weighed in on social media denied the indoctrination and unfairness charges. While not disputing her assertion that they are more likely than others to be liberal, they said it was unfair to say that this meant they were indoctrinating anyone.
Many conservatives who applauded DeVos said their personal experiences (or those of their children, nieces, nephews, etc.) showed she was correct.

For all the back-and-forth of traded anecdotes, there is research on these subjects -- in peer-reviewed articles, books published by scholarly presses and so forth. And most of these studies reach a consensus.

Yes, professors lean left (although with some caveats). But much of the research says conservative students and faculty members are not only surviving but thriving in academe -- free of indoctrination if not the periodic frustrations. Further, the research casts doubt on the idea that the ideological tilt of faculty members is because of discrimination. Notably, some of this research has been produced by conservative scholars.

DeVos is not the only one to raise the issue recently. A state senator in Iowa has introduced a bill to require that no professor or instructor be hired by a public university if his or her most recent party affiliation would “cause the percentage of the faculty belonging to one political party to exceed by 10 percent” the percentage of the faculty belonging to the other dominant party. The bill, like the DeVos speech, has angered many professors.



Are Professors More Liberal Than the Public at Large?

The most complete study of the politics of professors is 10 years old. The study is unusual among such research efforts in that it included community college faculty members (who are left out of many such analyses) and looked at age and positions on social issues. The study's age may be a disadvantage, but it also followed a presidential election (George W. Bush's successful re-election bid vs. John Kerry) in which the incumbent was ridiculed by many campus activists. The study was called "The Social and Political Views of American Professors" and it was based on a survey of 1,417 full-time faculty members.

Among the key findings:
◾Faculty members were more likely to categorize themselves as moderate (46.1 percent) than liberal (44.1 percent). Conservatives trailed at 9.2 percent.
◾Faculty members, when examined by sector, differed widely. At community colleges, 19 percent of faculty members called themselves conservatives, and only 37.1 percent said they were liberals. Liberal arts college faculty members were most likely to identify as liberal (61 percent, compared to only 3.9 percent as conservatives).
◾When it came to voting, professors (even in the humanities) were not a monolith, with 15 percent in the humanities saying they had voted for President Bush in his re-election bid. Bush won just under a third of the vote in business and just over a third in computer science and engineering. And Bush won a narrow majority of votes from faculty members in the health sciences.
◾The professors approaching their emeritus years were significantly to the left of those coming into academe. Among those aged 50-64, 17.2 percent identified themselves as left activists, while only 1.3 percent of those aged 26-35 did so.
◾On social issues, professors had strong views in support of gay rights and abortion rights, and most believed Bush misled the nation about Iraq. But professors were split on affirmative action.

Some criticized the study for not viewing any imbalances in political attitudes as troubling, while others defended the study and said it challenged the notion that everyone in academe was liberal and voted for Democrats (or Ralph Nader). The study was conducted by Neil Gross, then at Harvard University and now at Colby College, and Solon Simmons, of George Mason University.

What Have Other Studies Found?

Research since the 2007 study largely confirms the idea that faculty members at four-year colleges and universities (the focus of these studies) lean left. But here, too, studies find differences when looking at different groups. A 2016 study published in Econ Journal Watch considered voter registration of faculty members in selected social science disciplines (and history) at 40 leading American universities. The study found a ration of 11.5 Democrats for every Republican in these departments, but with wide variation. In economics, the ratio was 4.5 to one, while in history the ratio was 33.5 to one.

Another 2016 analysis of faculty members at four-year colleges and universities found that political leanings of faculty members are lopsided, but far more lopsided in New England. The analysis, based on 2014 data, found that nationally, colleges and universities had a six to one ratio of liberal to conservative professors.
In New England, the figure was 28 to one.
The study was by Samuel J. Abrams, a professor of politics at Sarah Lawrence College and a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Abrams, a self-described conservative, said he views that New England ratio as problematic. At the same time, he said he believes faculty members encourage students to consider many views, and that his career -- tenure at Sarah Lawrence, not known for its many conservatives -- suggests that right-leaning academics are hired and succeed in academe.

Other studies focus on educational attainment. These studies tend to find liberalism more likely embraced among those with at least some graduate education -- a group that includes professors but also many others.

A 2016 study by the Pew Research Center found that among those with graduate education of some form, 31 percent hold consistently liberal positions based on an analysis of their opinions about the role and performance of government, social issues, the environment and other topics.
Another 23 percent hold mostly liberal positions.
Only 10 percent hold consistently conservative positions, and 17 percent hold mostly conservative positions.
Since 1994, the share of those with graduate education holding consistently liberal positions has increased substantially, the study found.



Does the Academy Shut Out Conservatives?

So if academe is lopsidedly liberal, does this demonstrate that search committees must be discriminating against candidates they perceive as conservative?

There are some anecdotes that suggest cases of discrimination. In her book Inside Graduate Admissions: Merit, Diversity and Faculty Gatekeeping (Harvard University Press), Julie R. Posselt, assistant professor of education at the University of Southern California, was able to watch elite graduate program deliberations on admissions. In one case she describes in the book, an applicant to a top linguistics Ph.D. program was a student at a small religious college unknown to some committee members but whose values were questioned by others.

“Right-wing religious fundamentalists,” one committee member said of the college, while another said, to much laughter, that the college was “supported by the Koch brothers.” The committee then spent more time discussing details of the applicant's GRE scores and background -- high GRE scores, homeschooled -- than it did with some other candidates. The chair of the committee said, “I would like to beat that college out of her,” and, to laughter from committee members, asked, “You don't think she's a nutcase?”

At the end of this discussion, the committee moved the applicant ahead to the next round but rejected her there.

Posselt did not write that this was typical of the reviews she saw, but graduate admissions tend to be decentralized and hard to monitor.

One national experiment, by Gross of Colby College; Ethan Fosse, a graduate student at Harvard University; and Joseph Ma, an undergraduate at the University of British Columbia, employed a "secret shopper" approach to look for political bias -- and didn't find it.

Posing as undergraduates getting ready to apply to doctoral programs, they sent email messages to graduate program directors in top sociology, political science, economics, history and English departments. The inquiries were similar in describing their academic preparation, their undergraduate institutions and their interest in applying. Some of the emails made no mention of politics, but some mentioned having previously worked on either the Obama or McCain presidential campaigns.

The researchers then had independent (and politically mixed) observers rate the responses from the graduate directors on frequency, timing of replies, information provided, emotional warmth and enthusiasm. In a few cases, the researchers found "traces" of a political impact, but "no statistically or substantively significant evidence of bias."

These findings have generally been used to suggest that professors' political lopsidedness reflects self-selection (much like the way those in finance may be more conservative than the public at large).

Gross and Fosse, and Catherine Cheng, a graduate student at the time, contributed to a 2010 book, Diversity in American Higher Education: Toward a More Comprehensive Approach (Routledge), that built on the theory of self-selection. Their research suggested that academics tend to form their views on politics early in life and tend to have certain characteristics (aside from being academics) that are associated with political liberalism. They argued that 43 percent of the political gap can be explained because professors are more likely than others:
◾To have high levels of educational attainment.
◾To experience a disparity between their levels of educational attainment and income.
◾To be either Jewish, nonreligious or a member of a faith that is not theologically conservative Protestant.
◾To have a high tolerance for controversial ideas.

Yet more evidence for the self-selection theory comes from a 2007 study, "Left Pipeline: Why Conservatives Don't Get Doctorates," by the husband-and-wife social science team of Matthew Woessner of Pennsylvania State University at Harrisburg and April Kelly-Woessner of Elizabethtown College.

Woessner and Kelly-Woessner based their findings on analysis they did from national surveys of freshmen and seniors conducted by the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles. They found that in both choices of majors and in personal values, conservatives seem to be taking themselves off the track for academic careers well before graduate school. The authors did not find evidence of statistically significant differences in grades or measures of academic performance, so most of the report is based on the premise that interests and experiences are at play, not aptitude.

For starters, the paper finds that conservatives are much more likely to pick majors in professional fields -- areas that tend to put students on the fast track for an M.B.A. (or for a job) more than a Ph.D. Only 9 percent of students on the far left and 18 percent of liberals major in professional fields, compared to 33 percent of conservatives and 37 percent of those who identify as being on the far right.

Further, the study finds that not only (as has been reported many times previously) do students who identify as liberal outnumber those who identify as conservative, but that those who are liberal are much more likely to consider a Ph.D.
The UCLA survey of seniors found that only 13 percent of all students were considering a Ph.D. But the numbers were significantly higher for those on the left (24 percent of the far left and 18 percent of liberals) than on the right (11 percent of the far right and 9 percent of conservatives).


Does Political Imbalance Make Life Difficult for Conservative Students?[/'b]

DeVos and others suggest that the liberal dominance must make life difficult for students who have other political views of the world. Again, the evidence suggests a much more nuanced reality, and one in which many conservative students thrive.

A 2012 book widely cited for covering these topics is [b]Becoming Right: How Campuses Shape Young Conservatives
(Princeton University Press), by Amy J. Binder, professor of sociology at the University of California, San Diego, and Kate Wood, then a doctoral candidate in the UCSD sociology department.
The book is based on extensive interviews with self-identified conservative students and other research conducted at two institutions (which the authors don't identify, but describe as liberal).

Some students at both institutions had complaints. Conservative female students, for example, said they felt judged by peers who were shocked at their desire for a family and not just a career. And some students said they felt marginalized.

But the students said that attending the colleges they did was a positive experience and helped shape their -- conservative -- political identities. The students said they wouldn't want to change institutions.
"There was this sense that being in an environment they perceived to be overwhelmingly liberal did challenge them, but in ways that were positive and beneficial for them,” Wood said in a 2012 interview. “It made them clarify values and ideas about different issues or about what being a conservative means.”

Woessner of Penn State, who describes himself as a conservative, has also written about how other studies he and his wife have done show that students are aware that their professors have various views, but that students don't change to conform. Writing that "students aren't sponges," Woessner explains, "Whereas some disciplines, such as political science, often shun partisan advocacy, many fields, including sociology, ethnic studies and social work, openly advocate a distinct ideological worldview. If these and similar studies are correct, it suggests that student beliefs are surprisingly resilient. For every one student who is actively recruited to a leftist political cause, a vast majority complete their education with their values largely intact."

And what of students who do complain of political bias? A study published last year, in the journal Teaching in Higher Education, surveyed undergraduates at two unnamed institutions -- one in the United States and one in Australia (where allegations of professorial political bias are also much discussed). The study asked undergraduates a series of questions about their perceptions of bias, and also of other qualities. The study found that students with certain characteristics -- a sense of entitlement and an orientation to focus on grades -- are much more likely than other students to perceive their instructors as being biased.

The study was by Darren L. Linvill, assistant professor of communication studies at Clemson University, and Will Grant, a lecturer in the Center for the Public Awareness of Science at the Australian National University.



Can Professors on the Right Succeed?

A recent book based on interviews with conservative professors and a national survey both suggest that faculty members who are Republicans are succeeding and finding happiness in academic careers.

The book, [Passing on the Right: Conservative Professors in the Progressive University (Oxford University Press), was written by Jon A. Shields, an associate professor of government at Claremont McKenna College, and Joshua M. Dunn Sr., an associate professor of political science and director of the Center for the Study of Government and the Individual at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. The authors interviewed 153 conservative professors in the humanities and social sciences on 84 campuses.

Some complained of discrimination based on politics, but not of careers being ended. One productive sociologist was voted down for tenure by his colleagues and dean, only to have the vote reversed by a provost -- due in part to some liberal colleagues who cried foul at the process. Conservative scholars also complained that some journals seemed to reject views that were inconsistent with liberal thinking.

But the book's bottom line is that conservative professors are succeeding and happy in academe -- and that there is not a wall of liberal academics blocking their way.

A study published by the Social Science Research Network and written by Abrams, the Sarah Lawrence/Hoover institution scholar, suggests that conservative scholars are happy in academe. The study included this question to a national sample of faculty members: “If you were to begin your career again, would you still want to be a college professor?”

The results showed that most professors answered in the affirmative. But while 56 percent of liberal professors did so, 66 percent of conservative professors did so. The result, Abrams wrote, suggests that conservative professors are aware they are in the political minority on campus, and are also content in their careers.



My own university experience left me with many personal examples of liberal bias by professors I either observed or personally experienced.


Tim Groseclose, a UCLA professor, and author of the book Left Turn that cites quantifiaable statistics of liberal media bias, in an interview said he waited until he had tenure to write the book, to insure that writing it didn't result in him being denied tenure.
Even so, he described a persona-non-grata treatment by his colleagues at UCLA that compelled him to leave UCLA anyway after a few years.

One of my own experiences, I had a "Criticism and Communication" class in 1986, what was the flagship course of my Florida Atlantic University far-left department's course curriculum, that basically broke down all movies, television, even commercials as brainwashing an establishment/patriarchal/conservative/materialistic worldview into the public.
For example, they saw Sigourney Weaver in the movie Aliens (which I consider a very feminist and strongly independent female lead role, where far from a damsel in distress, she is the protagonist and the the hero, who rescues everyone else) a role they spun as a typically female role where she was subordinated into a protective/motherly role caring for the young girl Newt.
There was just no reasoning with these cultural marxist feminists.

I recall one time with a smile on my face challenging the "patriarchal hegemony" they read into one movie, and somehow mentioned then-rising Reagan conservatism and how that was disproving the logic of their liberal narrrative, jokingly saying to the assistant professor: "You'll never get us all." Which she mumbled under her breath and another student after class closer to her told me she had said: "That's what they say about virgins."

A third example was a class where we had a guest professor, a polite conservative-looking guy with glasses, who I realized a few minutes in was interviewing for a job (somewhere in 1985-1987) and three of the most committed cultural marxist radical professors in my department sat in the back of the class. He started out very confident and articulate, but they kept bombarding him and tripping up his pace with complicated interrupting questions that no student would ever ask, and it became clear to me they were trying to destroy this guy and make him break.
They were successful.
By the time it ended, he was nervous and shaking, and barely able to finish. I think they did this to insure a conservative was not hired in their department, only another cultural marxist like themselves. There was hardly a class in my 2 and a half years in the department that they didn't inject marxism and feminism into whatever film history or journalism class that I took.

If I challenged the text, even with well thought out supporting quotes and examples, I made C's and D's. I quickly learned that as long as I agreed with the text and made no effort to challenge it, I made A's. That was the beginning of my intense hatred of liberalism, as people who were bullies in positions of power, and utterly intolerant to dissenting views.

I also recall highly inflammatory political cartoons on the walls of the professors in my department when I visited their offices, contemptuous of capitalism and Reagan, and supportive of the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.

After I graduated, I interviewed for a P R position for the United Way in Fort Lauderdale (circa 1990), and while waiting for my interviewer to get off the phone, I looked around at what was posted on the walls of his office. Including a photo of Newt Gingrich with a cartoon word balloon making him say "Screw the poor!"
I was quite shocked that this guy would have something this partisan on the wall of his office, that could only anger 50% of the people who came in his office in its incendiary partisanship, putting words in Gingrich's mouth that any Republican would find absurdly untrue. I wasn't overly disappointed when I didn't get the job.

I'd also point out the example Bill O'Reilly cited (circa 2009-2010)of his alma mater at the history department at Harvard, that at the time had about 35 liberal professors and not one conservative. That kind of one-sidedness just doesn't happen randomly. It is a clear manifestiation of discriminatory bias in hiring, to not have a single Republican/conservative professor. A liberal echo chamber.


So while I accept that there can be examples of conservatives existing and thriving among university professors, I think that at all too many universities it would hurt your chances of being hired, or of being advanced to tenure, or advancing to higher positions such as chairing the department.
And certainly, my own experience as a conservative student has confirmed there is bias in the way liberal professors will treat you. Including liberal indoctrination and vindictive grading if you deviate or dissent in the slightest from their programming.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2019-08-28 10:43 AM


Jesse Watters confronts professor over anti-Trump rant Prof. David Parry, St Josephs University, Philadelphia PA



Liberal indoctrination. And when asked about his classroom rants, he turned away and hid like a coward and wouldn't defend his views.

What's scary is this jerk is only one of tens of thousands indoctinating the last two generations of college students. One of the few caught and exposed. And the college will do absolutely nothing to reprimand him.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2019-10-12 4:14 PM




https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Professor_values


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Professor values refer to the common value system embraced by a large percentage of professors, just as Hollywood values refers to the common value system of many in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. Professor values are currently one of the most prevalent forms of liberal indoctrination. Andrew Breitbart, the founder of the conservative news site Breitbart News Network, at one point intended to create a category "Big Education" in order to expose professor values, but he died before he could implement it.

An extremely high percentage of professors disagree with conservative principles, but very few replace them with the discredited philosophy of postmodernism.[1] Professors' common value system typically includes anti-Christian politics, censorship, socialism, unjustified claims of expertise and knowledge (for example, the dogmatic promotion of the theory of evolution[2]), liberal beliefs, liberal grading, liberal bias,[3] historical revisionism, anti-patriotism, anti-Americanism, lack of productivity, bullying or discouraging conservative students (for example, homeschoolers),[4] and promotion of sexual immorality.[5] Although a majority of academics believe in God, a disproportionate percentage of academics are atheists compared to the general public (see: Atheism and academia).

Such attitudes are also shared by educators in the public education system from grade school through high school, and even by members of public school boards who take an elitist attitude toward parents of the children being indoctrinated with those same beliefs (particularly the promotion of sexual immorality and the encouragement of experimenting with homosexuality) by liberal educators.[6][7][8][9] These same educators, knowing that what they are doing is wrong, go out of their way to deliberately hide the truth from their students' parents, who they know would not support what they do in the classrooms and would call for the resignation or firing of the offending teachers and school board officials who support them; to that end, liberal elitist school boards stand up for the teachers and the professor values they support by ignoring parents' complaints, denying any wrongdoing to them, attempting (by means of deceit and disinformation) to discredit any information on educator wrongdoing uncovered by parents,[10] blocking their inquiries and even resorting to intimidation and making outrageous false accusations[9] and criminal threats against them (and later denying making such threats when publicly called out on them afterward)[11] in an attempt to silence parental opposition to what are clearly illegal actions against underaged students.

An excellent example of academics going beyond their expertise is the example of the cryonics movement. Cryonics is a pseudoscience that tries to extend life or achieve immortality in a non-theistic way after a person is legally dead (Cryonic procedures are performed shortly after a person's death).[12] Robert Ettinger was an atheist and American academic who some consider to be "the father of cryonics" because of the impact of his 1962 book The Prospect of Immortality.[13] Isaac Asimov was a popular American science fiction writer and a professor of biochemistry at Boston University. He was also an atheist.[14] According to The Cryonics Society, Asimov said of cryonics, "Though no one can quantify the probability of cryonics working, I estimate it is at least 90%..."[15] See: Atheism and cryonics

In a Zogby poll, 58% of Americans said that the bias of professors is a serious problem, while 39% said it is a "very serious" problem.[16] The survey demonstrated further that "an overwhelming majority also believe that job security for college professors leaves them less motivated to do a good job than those professors who do not enjoy a tenured status—65% said they believe non-tenured professors are more motivated to do a good job in the classroom."[16] One study in 2008 found that "Texas university professors overwhelmingly favor Democratic candidates in their campaign contributions,"[17] and a survey in 2018 found that 88% of Harvard professors thought Donald Trump did a "very poor" job as President.[18]

[Regarding the notion that] Professors rarely engage in wrongdoing while completing research:
"About 1,000 potential incidents of fabrication, falsification or plagiarism in scientific research go unreported every year, according to a survey that suggests such misconduct is far more prevalent than suspected....[A]bout 22 percent was by a professor or senior scientist."[19]

  • “ There is no place on earth so close-minded as the modern University. The lack of diversity of thought is unmatched anywhere on earth.[20] ”


More information and examples at the link.



Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Liberal Profs Harrass Conservatives - 2019-10-12 4:42 PM



UNIVERSITY POLITICAL BIAS: Does it matter if my professor’s a Democrat?

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By Akshaj Turebylu
July 15, 2019 | 12:00am EDT


  • "Without an intellectual sparring partner to oppose them, liberal arguments become weaker. They are less truthful, less meaningful, and less useful in the pursuit of knowledge. Everyone is harmed by these trends."
    --Akshaj Turebylu, class of 2023




This June, The Chronicle published an astounding report revealing that there are nearly 13 times more registered Democrats than registered Republicans on Duke’s faculty.

That kind of gap sounds improbable—if not impossible—and yet, here we are.
And if, for whatever unholy reason, you keep up with national higher education trends, you know that this discrepancy fits the norm. The disparity between liberal and conservative professors is large, and growing; national statistics showed a 6:1 ratio between the two. In New England, the ratio was found to be 28:1.

As is clear through The Chronicle’s reporting, different fields appear to be affected differently. At Duke, Pratt has the least amount of disparity. Although its faculty is left-leaning, Pratt had the largest percent share of Republicans (and the lowest percentage of party alignment of any of the disciplines studied). And while the natural sciences leaned Democratic, almost all of their departments have some share of Republicans. It is the Arts and Humanities and Social Sciences disciplines that seem to lack conservative professors. Most of the departments in these disciplines lack any conservatives. The Social Sciences do have some Republicans, but they are focused in a few select fields (like economics and political science).

How did we get here? Some might assume this to be the natural state of academia; there have always been more liberals than conservatives, right? Not at all. This trend has only become prevalent over the past twenty-five years.

In the face of such glaring imbalance, it’s easy to make claims of discrimination. The reason there are so few conservative professors is that administrators are part of a nefarious Communist agenda to take over the universities. But, of course, correlation does not equal causation.

There have been anecdotal reports of discrimination against conservatives in graduate admissions, but a nationwide experiment found no significant evidence of bias. There are many reasons why such a disparity could have been created. For one, liberal-leaning students generally consider graduate school more often than their conservative counterparts. Conservatives also tend to gravitate towards professional work.

Conservative politicians have used the trend of left-leaning faculties to accuse universities of indoctrinating students and propagating a liberal agenda. What does this really mean, though? Universities have two major functions: to share knowledge and to create knowledge. The first is accomplished through teaching. The second is accomplished through research, peer review, and debate.

Is teaching corrupted by a liberal-leaning faculty? Not really. Students don’t passively accept the opinions and arguments of their professors. Conservative students, apparently, cannot be programmed by their professors. Despite the fears of conservative politicians, indoctrination is not so easy.

It does seem, however, that the creation of knowledge is threatened by a homogenous professoriate. In a lecture given at Duke, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt describes the importance of viewpoint diversity.

As individuals, we regularly use motivated reasoning to confirm our beliefs. Even when we look at the evidence, we resist conclusions we dislike and actively work to find what we want. A university setting is built to remove these biases by pitting biases against each other. Haidt calls this institutionalized disconfirmation. Scholars are forced to prune their biases out of their work before submitting it. If not, they get called out by their colleagues. For this reason, the reputation of a discipline is predicated on how well it peer reviews the knowledge it produces.

Journalism is a strong example of this principle. In recent years, public trust in journalism and mainstream media has sharply decreased. Inaccuracy and bias are stated as the leading reasons for distrusting journalists. This perception comes from faulty and hasty reporting by newspapers caused by a lack of proper editing and peer review (usually due to a rushed deadline).
Universities have—by and large—maintained their respectability as a result of the rigorous debate they encourage. But, Haidt notes, debate is weakened when there is a lack of different viewpoints. When an orthodox position is created (in this case due to a certain political leaning), it is less likely to be debated rigorously. Those who hold the position accept it strongly but adopt weak arguments with which to defend it. This creates a certain intellectual fragility where the orthodox idea can be broken easily—but isn’t—because of a bias in the group.

Rigorous debate isn’t just damaged between academics, it’s also lost between students. This is seen in national data regarding debate among university students. Conservatives and libertarians are far less likely to share their beliefs and are more likely to receive poor treatment due to their politics. A majority of students in a 2017 survey stated that their university did not encourage intellectual diversity. How can knowledge be created when you’re too scared to speak?

Where is knowledge creation being influenced? Left-leaning bias probably won’t matter in most departments. A biologist will not lose their ability to research bacterial DNA because they believe in universal healthcare.

In general, it is the social sciences that are most affected by political bias. Whether it is economics, political science, gender studies, or sociology, these fields produce politically engaged work. Trying to objectively measure the success or failure of Reaganomics is made more difficult if you voted for or against it. The best way to ensure that you do is to have someone of the opposite persuasion looking over your work.

It is critical that the social sciences remain impartial in the pursuit of knowledge—these fields regularly influence government policy and public opinion. The public needs to know that when they read about sociological studies they are receiving unbiased and meaningful information.

Let’s take history for example. The History Department has no registered Republicans; its faculty is almost 75 percent Democratic. What does this mean for coverage of Republican Party history, or even the history of conservatism in the United States? The problem isn’t that professors are scheming to get their viewpoints supported. As stated before, humans have an innate difficulty in fairly defending and recognizing positions they disagree with.

But… why should historians care? In fact, why should liberals care? If they’re winning the debate stage, why cater to conservative complaints? Haidt uses a quote from John Stuart Mill to answer this question.

  • “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion.”



Without an intellectual sparring partner to oppose them, liberal arguments become weaker. They are less truthful, less meaningful, and less useful in the pursuit of knowledge. Everyone is harmed by these trends.

There are definite problems when the professoriate has a political leaning. The cries of apocalypse by conservative politicians, however, are moot. Students aren’t being indoctrinated and many conservative professors are content with their careers. In fact, most of the concerns of a crisis are coming from older Republicans. As in, the ones who are not actually in school. But, does there need to be a response?

Well… yes and no. Yes, we need to study the effects of bias more. We need to know the result of having a 13:1 Democrat-Republican ratio. But also, no. How much can we do? Purposefully hire more Republican-leaning professors? That’s actual discrimination (not to mention an impossible hiring metric). Creating that kind of ideological barrier to entry for a professorship would be mayhem.

We need more data, more research, and more debate about this topic itself. Letting liberals ignore it won’t solve anything; we also can’t let conservatives bemoan political bias without proper research. Journalism succumbed to a lack of public trust—let’s save universities from that fate.