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Posted By: Irwin Schwab Osama Dead - 2011-05-02 5:49 AM
Fox News is reporting Bin Laden has been killed.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-02 5:59 AM
they are saying he was killed in an earlier attack. This one was buried in the news last week:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b13c5ee2-701f-11e0-bea7-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1L9wZ6dmQ

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Nato forces in Afghanistan have confirmed the killing of one of their most wanted al-Qaeda militants in the decade-long conflict a day after an embarrassing jailbreak by hundreds of suspected Taliban militants.

The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force said on Tuesday that Abdul Ghani had been killed in an air strike in Kunar province, a mountainous region in north eastern Afghanistan, on April 13.

It called the death of the Saudi national, who it considered a “key financial conduit” for militant operations, a “significant milestone” in its quest to hunt down al-Qaeda leaders and bring stability to Afghanistan.

Confirmation of a prized militant scalp came after a four-year manhunt in a region, bordering Pakistan, where Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader who masterminded the 2001 terror attacks on the US, had earlier been suspected of hiding.


dunno if it was the attack where they got him or not.
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-02 6:04 AM
Its good to see our military still does what they're supposed to do even when obama threatens not to pay them.
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-02 6:04 AM
Also, its about fucking time.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:10 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources/

 Quote:
Usama bin Laden is dead, multiple sources confirm to Fox News.

President Obama is expected to deliver a statement from the White House Sunday night to discuss the major development.

Sources said bin Laden was killed by a U.S. bomb a week ago. The U.S. had been waiting for the results of a DNA test to confirm his identity.

The announcement comes nearly a decade after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks which started a tireless hunt for the terrorist mastermind and Al Qaeda leader.

Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:11 AM
They're saying he was living in a mansion in Pakistan.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:13 AM
They're saying we have the body.

We should hang it from a shard of the steel at ground zero and let the rats and crows eat at it until it's a skeleton.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:14 AM
After we slather it in bacon grease.
So he's not only dead but we were the ones who got him!
Posted By: Pariah Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:19 AM
Yep! Obama killed him soundly and with finesse! All praise the one!
Can't we just be happy that Osama is dead and that we were the ones who did it?
it's a wonderful vindication for bush's war policies which were continued by obama!
Posted By: the G-man Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:23 AM
The son of a bitch is dead. That's good news regardless of who the president is.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:29 AM
I'm just waiting until this administration eventually takes credit for the policies that allowed for his death.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:31 AM
No doubt. But let's be happy for his death.

Oh, by the way, as for our "ally" Pakistan letting him live in a mansion...

Pariah just be happy that Osama is dead. It's a good thing.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:34 AM
We should continue to fight and argue, with the agreement it's good to know the next time this asswipe takes a swim it'll be in a lake of fire.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:41 AM
Well I was with Obama on his speech until he took the credit and became a Muslim apologist. Oh well, he was ok with me for 5 minutes.
Posted By: rex Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:47 AM
I like how he took the importance off the military and said it was the American people who killed him.

As someone who has a cousin fighting in Afghanistan I would like to give a giant fuck you to that commie ass wipe.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:51 AM
 Originally Posted By: rex
I like how he took the importance off the military and said it was the American people who killed him.


Fuck. He really did that? Damn.

Granted, the American military is made up of American citizens. However, give credit where is credit is fucking due. The average citizen didn't kill him. The military did.

It's too bad he can't get past his base's hatred for the troops.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:52 AM
FOX news is spelling Osama as Usama?
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:56 AM
Everyone has spelled his name differently. It all depends on if it should be spelled the Arabic way or not.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:58 AM
Chuck D is pissed we got him. Time for a CIA drive by.
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:59 AM
Who?
Posted By: the G-man Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:59 AM
Some future clip in a grammy award "rappers who are dead" montage.
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:02 AM
Anyone else hoping the flash mob outside the white house turns violent?
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Obama announces Osama bin Laden killed by U.S.
By Michael A. Memoli and Michael Muskal

May 1, 2011, 8:35 p.m.
Reporting from Washington and Los Angeles— Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted terrorist, was killed in Pakistan as the result of a U.S. military operation, President Obama announced to the nation Sunday night.

The historic revelation comes about four months before the 10th anniversary of the devastating Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, which were executed by the Al Qaeda network helmed by Bin Laden and prompted the start of a war on terror that has dominated U.S. foreign policy.

Bin Laden, 54, was a member of a wealthy Saudi family and has been on the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitives List since 1999.

Bin Laden broke with Saudi leaders over their beliefs regarding Israel. He was eventually denounced by his family and gave up citizenship.

Al Qaeda has taken responsibility for the bombings of U.S. embassies in 1998 in Tanzania and Kenya. More than 200 people were killed in the attacks.

Al Qaeda has also claimed responsibility for other attacks on other symbols of U.S. power around the globe. It has spawned local organizations in hot spots from Iraq to Afghanistan.

The announcement by Obama from the East Room of the White House came eight years to the day after President Bush announced the end of major combat operations in Iraq, the so-called “Mission Accomplished” speech from the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln.
...

latimes.com
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:08 AM
Hitlers death was announced on this day in 1945. Bush gave his mission accomplished speech eight years ago today.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:41 AM
Rumsfeld was roundly criticized by the far left for building this military and intelligence machine we have today. I'm hoping those critics now understand why they were wrong.
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:46 AM
It sounds like we got osamas oldest son and possibly some other high ranking towel heads as well.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:47 AM
shoulda made them towels outta Kevlar!
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:58 AM
Bush and Clinton weigh in:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05...aden-death.html

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Bush: “I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude,” the former president said in a statement. “The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done.”

Clinton: "I congratulate the President, the National Security team and the members of our armed forces on bringing Osama bin Laden to justice after more than a decade of murderous al-Qaida attacks,"


Um, Bill, It's been nearly two decades. 1993 World Trade Center. Even if he forgot that, did he forget the 1998 US Embassy bombing too?
Posted By: Grimm Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:06 AM
all that not inhaling takes it's toll on your memory, Irwin. ;\)


tonight, I even find myself in agreement with G-Man. string that fucker's corpse up and let the New Yorkers throw shit at him.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden

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Officials said the U.S. would ensure that bin Laden's body was handled in accordance with Islamic tradition.


WTF?!?!?!
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:09 AM
 Originally Posted By: Grimm



tonight, I even find myself in agreement with G-Man. string that fucker's corpse up and let the New Yorkers throw shit at him.


You bet.

Angry kids like Pariah would get mad since they would think it would make the President look good, but you can't make everybody happy...
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:10 AM
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Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:11 AM
 Originally Posted By: MisterJLA
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heh you posted you were comprehension impaired!


(i know you didnt understand that)
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:13 AM
 Originally Posted By: MisterJLA
Obama is a tactical genius!
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:13 AM
I just copied and pasted...something that you know all about.

You should stick with that, your predictions could use some work...

Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 8:16 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden

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Officials said the U.S. would ensure that bin Laden's body was handled in accordance with Islamic tradition.


WTF?!?!?!



Political correctness is officially shit when a guy kills thousands if Americans in the name of Islam and our government feels the need to respect his religious wishes.
Posted By: rex Re: Obama To Respect Bin Laden's Islamic Wishes - 2011-05-02 8:35 AM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/obama-to-make-statment-tonight-subject-unknown/

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A congressional source familiar with the operation that killed Osama bin Laden confirmed that the terror mastermind was shot in the head during the U.S. raid, according to a briefing the source received, CNN's Dana Bash reports.
Posted By: rex Re: Obama To Respect Bin Laden's Islamic Wishes - 2011-05-02 9:19 AM
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 9:35 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Can't we just be happy that Osama is dead and that we were the ones who did it?


Yes.

This should be a rallying common ground for the nation.
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 10:56 AM
The body has already been buried at sea.
Posted By: LLance Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 1:53 PM
 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab
 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden

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Officials said the U.S. would ensure that bin Laden's body was handled in accordance with Islamic tradition.


WTF?!?!?!



Political correctness is officially shit when a guy kills thousands if Americans in the name of Islam and our government feels the need to respect his religious wishes.



I totally agree! Bin Laden lost his rights for basic human decency quite a few "body counts" ago!
 Originally Posted By: rex


that is awesome!
It's not a case of respecting Osama's religous wishes.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:45 PM
Posted By: Chris Oakley Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 6:58 PM
RACK Mister JLA!
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 7:01 PM
Thanks, Velo.

Posted By: allan1 Re: Osama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-02 9:04 PM
America....Fuck Yeah!!
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/the_rock_knew_about_bin_laden.html

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Hours before President Obama’s announcement that Osama Bin Laden had been killed, Dwayne Johnson tweeted, “Just got word that will shock the world — Land of the free … home of the brave DAMN PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!. Post announcement, he followed that up with “..couldn’t have asked for a better birthday present..”
But when did Chuck Norris know?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/comp...42XF_story.html

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A generation of young Americans slammed the door Monday on the great, big boogeyman of their childhoods with an epic woot-woot and rounds and rounds of "U.S.A.!"

At the news of Osama bin Laden’s death, thousands of people - most of them college-aged and in requisite flip-floppy collegiate gear — whipped up a raucous celebration right outside the White House gates that was one part Mardi Gras and two parts Bon Jovi concert.

There were cigars, a few beers, a lacrosse stick turned flagpole waved by a kid who just climbed a statue, joining others aloft in trees and atop lamp posts. Well past midnight, cars zipped up and down the streets of downtown Washington with women standing up through sunroofs waving ginormous American flags and guys blowing vuvuzelas, spring break style.

It felt a little crazy, a bit much. Almost vulgar.

When I saw that folks were celebrating in the streets at the news of bin Laden’s death, my first reaction was a cringe.



This bitch should fuck off. If she doesn't like American's celebrating she should go try and be a female journalist in Muslim land.....
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/o...fCZF_story.html

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WASHINGTON — Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden’s most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed’s successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.
with bin Laden dead man shaves beard http://www.katu.com/news/local/121107609.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead.html

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According to another one of those White House briefings of reporters designed to suck up all available credit for good news, President Obama's homeland security advisor reveals that it was a really tense time in the air-conditioned White House as unidentified U.S. Navy SEALs closed in on the world's most wanted man after midnight a half a wohomeland security advisor john Brennan 5-2-11rld away.

"Minutes passed like days," says John Brennan, who bravely stood with press secretary Jay Carney before reporters and TV cameras today chronicling his boss' weekend heroics.

The heavily-armed commandos flying in a quartet of darkened Blackhawk and Chinook helicopters more than 100 miles into Pakistan were probably listening to their iPods and discussing the NFL draft.

"The concern was that bin Laden would oppose any type of capture operation," said Obama's Sherlock Holmes. So U.S. troops were prepared "for all contingencies."

In fact, this weekend was such a tense time in the White House that Obama only got in nine holes of golf. But he still managed to deliver his joke script to the White House Correspondents Assn. dinner Saturday evening.

Sunday was, Brennan revealed to his eager audience, "probably one of the most anxiety-filled periods of times in the lives of the people assembled here." Poor poor bureaucrats. Extra Tums all around. Did someone order dinner?

There may have been a little anxiety aboard those combat choppers. Who knows? We can't hear from them. And, as every day, anxiety in the kitchens, hearts and mind of thousands of military families who put up with the terrifying uncertainty of the dangerous deeds their loved ones have volunteered to secretly do for their country. During his 49 minute presentation Brennan did squeeze in one reference to the mission's "very brave personnel."

But the emphasis, with 2012 just around the calendrical corner, was on the boss' valor. "There was nothing that confirmed that bin Laden was at that compound," Brennan related as if such uncertainty is uncommon in war.

"And, therefore," Brennan continued, "when President Obama was faced with the opportunity to act upon this, the president had to evaluate the strength of that information and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

According to early reports of the incident, detailed here in The Ticket, 24 SEALs rappelled down ropes from hovering Chinooks in post-midnight darkness Monday Pakistan time with Osama security forces shooting at them. Brennan didn't have much time to go into all that today, the goal is to elevate the ex-state senator to at least a one-star commander-in-chief.

Here's something else that didn't get much recognition in all the street celebrations or all-hail-Obama briefings:

The trail to Monday morning's assault on Osama's Pakistan compound began during someone else's presidency. That previous president authorized enhanced interrogation techniques which convinced folks like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to give up, among many other things, the name of their top-secret courier, now deceased. His travels ultimately led the CIA back to Osama's six-year-old suburban home.
While I agree somewhat with the article writer, he fails to mention that Obama did not play even one round of golf all weekend. Bravo Obama. Bravo.
\:lol\:

It didn't take long for some conservatives to get bitchy and start trying to give W credit.
Obama has blamed Bush for everything else.

I wonder if the SEALs who shot bin Laden will get a piece of that reward money. Or at the very least a bucket of fish.
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According to early reports of the incident, detailed here in The Ticket, 24 SEALs rappelled down ropes from hovering Chinooks in post-midnight darkness Monday Pakistan time with Osama security forces shooting at them. Brennan didn't have much time to go into all that today, the goal is to elevate the ex-state senator to at least a one-star commander-in-chief.



\:lol\:
 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
I wonder if the SEALs who shot bin Laden will get a piece of that reward money. Or at the very least a bucket of fish.

I wonder this too.
I read today that no one will likely receive the reward. Though Obama did seem to feel he was the one responsible for the capture, so maybe he will get it.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42871400/

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A member of the US Senate Intelligence Committee has told CNBC that the death of Osama Bin Laden was a direct result of enhanced interrogations.

“The information that eventually led us to this compound was the direct result of enhanced interrogations; one can conclude if we had not used enhanced interrogations, we would not have come to yesterday's action,” US Senator Richard Burr in a telephone interview with CNBC.

As a member of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, Burr was briefed on the attack on the compound that led to Bin Laden’s death and believes the failure of Pakistani security forces to find the al-Qaeda leader sooner will be a strain on US relations.

“It's common knowledge that the US-Pakistan relationship was strained prior to this action, there will be continual talks about what ISI (Pakistani security forces) did or didn't know,” he said.

The death of Bin Laden will, however, improve the US position in Afghanistan where the US and NATO forces are locked in a war of attrition with the Taliban and al-Qaeda forces.

“Yesterday's action sends a loud message, we can find you and we can kill you...even though we had a victory…, the war on terror continues,” Burr said.
That's increasingly what I'm seeing reported, that this raid was four years in the making, and would not have been possible without "harsh" interrogation techniques like waterboarding, and prisoners at Guantanamo Bay available to interrogate and corroborate information gained through these interrogations.

And according to Michael Scheuer (former head of the CIA Bin Ladin unit) And Rep. Peter King (head of the congress intelligence committee) while these techniques set up under Bush allowed Obama to get credit for killing Bin Ladin, the changes Obama has made to intelligence gathering have assured that similar intelligence cannot be gained the same way in the future.

Rumsfeld says harsh treatment didn't get them anything that helped with this.

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“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”


newsmax.com
I've seen several who disagree with Rumsfeld.

But it's a tough call to say which is right, the former defense secretary, or the head of the senate intelligence committee.

We're still learning what the truth is. And it frankly doesn't lend credibility to anyone that how Bin Ladin was killed is described today vastly different from the story that was told yesterday.

Yesterday, he died fighting with a gun in his hands. Today, they're saying that Bin Ladin not only didn't have a gun, he didn't have a knife. Later today, that story was altered to say that U.S. forces "thought he was going for a gun".

Yesterday, they were saying Bin Ladin was using a woman as a human shield. Later it was changed to one of his guards was using the woman as a shield. Now it's being said that no one in the house was armed, and presumably, no woman was used as a shield.

As the story keeps changing, I believe the official story less and less.
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Rumsfeld says harsh treatment didn't get them anything that helped with this.

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“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”


newsmax.com




http://www.newsmax.com
Not to mention that MEM unsurprisingly took the whole article out of context. MEM also forgot to post the part where it talks about Obama continuing Bush's policies.


Leave it to a liberal to try an politicize this.
I just listened to Rumsfeld, interviewed on Hannity, saying:

"Anyone who does not acknowledge that an enormous amount of valuable intelligenge was gained through 'enhanced' interrogation techniques is simply denying the truth."
Don't know if anyone has ever read Revelations but there is an interesting verse 13:3 that says, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Basically one head of the Beast will appear to be mortally wounded he doesn't actually die but appears to, so that when he returns he is thought to return from the dead.
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
I just listened to Rumsfeld, interviewed on Hannity, saying:

"Anyone who does not acknowledge that an enormous amount of valuable intelligenge was gained through 'enhanced' interrogation techniques is simply denying the truth."


This isn't really anything new though. Rumsfeld has said been saying this all along.
 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab



"Who is it?"

". . .Candygram. . ."
It makes no sense that our Navy SEALS were sent in to do the job and confirm that Obama was killed (rather than carpet bombing the place, where we could never confirm it). And then:

1) they bury the body at sea and feed it to the fishes, rather than let coroners and forensics people from various nations confirm that it is indeed Bin Ladin, before scuttling the evidence. They could have kept his body in a freezer someplace hidden forever, and there still would be nowhere to build an Al Qaida shrine to him.

2) they're not offering any photos or evidence to the media, thus feuling all kinds of conspiracy theories.


The only possible explanation I have is that maybe the Obama administration wants to slowly release information about the killing, to keep the story alive for a long time.

Whereas releasing the whole story at once it would be big news for a few days, and then quickly disappear. As long as Bin Ladin's death is big news, it helps to boost Obama's popularity polls. That's the best explanation I can come up with.
But the slow release of info also has the downside of appearing evasive, having something to hide, and being less believable.
 Originally Posted By: Grimm
 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab



"Who is it?"

". . .Candygram. . ."

\:lol\:
you're a seal, aren't you

"no, sir... i'm... i'm really just a dolphin"

oh, a dolphin...? ....all right
\:lol\:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42887470#42887470

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BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here… It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got… I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

BRIAN WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes water boarding?

LEON PANETTA: That's correct
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20059739-503544.html

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In an interview with Steve Kroft for this Sunday's "60 Minutes" conducted today, President Obama said he won't release post-mortem images of Osama bin Laden taken to prove his death.

"It is important to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool," said the president.

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Mr. Obama added. "The fact of the matter is, this is somebody who was deserving of the justice that he received."

The president said he had discussed the issue with his intelligence team, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and that they agree with the decision. White House press secretary Jay Carney said Wednesday that Mr. Obama made the decision today.

In explaining his choice not to release the photo, Mr. Obama said that "we don't need to spike the football." He said that "given the graphic nature of these photos it would create a national security risk."



Obama had different thoughts about our soldiers, remember this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...oner-abuse.html

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President Barack Obama is to release up to 2,000 photographs of alleged abuse at American prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan in a move which will reignite the scandal surrounding Abu Ghraib prison in 2004.

The decision to make public the images sought in a legal action by the American Civil Liberties Union comes amid a political firestorm over alleged torture of detainees under President George W. Bush.

Some of the photographs, which will be released before May 28, are said to show American service personnel humiliating prisoners, according to officials.

The images relate to more than 400 separate cases involving alleged prisoner abuse between 2001 and 2005.

The Pentagon fears a backlash in the Middle East similar to the one provoked by pictures from Abu Ghraib prison, near Baghdad, in 2004 which became emblematic of American mistakes in Iraq.



or this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html

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WASHINGTON — In a reversal of an 18-year-old military policy that critics said was hiding the ultimate cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the news media will now be allowed to photograph the flag-draped coffins of America's war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States, but only if the families of the dead agree.

Gates, who said at the news conference that he was "never comfortable" with the ban, tried to have it overturned a year ago.

But he said he encountered resistance in the Pentagon, and so he "demurred."

But once President Barack Obama said this month that he was reviewing the ban, Gates again sounded out senior officials at the Pentagon.

"I'm very disappointed," said John Ellsworth, the president of Military Families United, whose son, Lance Corporal Justin Ellsworth, was killed in Iraq in 2004 at age 20. "There was nothing wrong with the way things were. I believe that the administration basically caved to the special interest groups, the antiwar groups, that are going to politicize our fallen."

"What is the need to show these caskets," Ellsworth added, "other than to try to inflame controversy?"
So... Obama went with the riskier plan to get Bin Ladin by sending in 24 Navy SEALs to kill him, so we could prove with certainty that we actually did kill him.

But we won't release photos or evidence that it actually happened?



Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, it does.
So, to recap:

According to Obama, was important for the Bush administration to release the Abu Ghraib photos because the American people had a right to know what is being done in their name REGARDLESS of the inflamatory nature of the photos and the danger that Muslim reaction might pose toward our troops...HOWEVER...it is important that the Obama administration NOT release the bin Laden death photos because it would inflame Muslim passions and pose the threat of a violent reaction against our troops.
For once I agree with Sarah Palin. On this topic, that is.

http://twitter.com/#!/sarahpalinusa
You just caused JLA to have a meltdown.
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Obama Turns Back On 9-11 Family - 2011-05-06 2:02 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2...back_on_me.html

 Quote:
Debra Burlingame, the sister of Charles "Chic" Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.

Burlingame describes the encounter with Obama: "As a former attorney I know you can't tell the Attorney General what to do, he said, 'No, I can't.' But I said 'we -- that shouldn't stop you from giving your opinion. We wouldn't be here today if they hadn't done their jobs. Can't you at least give them your opinion.' And he said 'no I won't,' and he turned around and walked away."
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Obama Turns Back On 9-11 Family - 2011-05-06 2:03 AM
Obama=Asshole
 Originally Posted By: Captain Sweden
Sarah Palin.


 Originally Posted By: basams


 Originally Posted By: Paul
You edited my post.
EDITOR!!!
ANTI-EDITOR!
 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab
You edited my post.


This! Is! RKMBS!
 Originally Posted By: MisterJLA
 Originally Posted By: Captain Sweden
Sarah Palin.


 Originally Posted By: basams


 Originally Posted By: Paul


Don't worry, my heart is still with Condoleezza Rice.
And how come Obama can't release the Bin Ladin pictures, gave Osama a decent burial, heaven forbid terrorists not be informed of their Miranda rights even though waterboarding overseas (heaven forbid the CIA is allowed to do it) led us to Osama in the first place, and why are we STILL sending billions of dollars to Pakistan? Seriously, Osama is next door to a military base and they "don't know." B.S.!!!

But hats off to the Navy Seals! You guys roxers \:\)
It's been interesting watching some of the sniping by the other side in the aftermath of Obama sending Osama to hell. Also makes it clear that those people will never be reasonable. After all if they can't even give the guy credit for this, it isn't going to happen ever.
it's been scientifically proven by mem that changing the title of a thread is almost half as effective at verifying your argument as starting a new thread for the same topic.
God, do we really need another thread about MEM hating republicans? It would just cause BSAMS to stickpin something else in response anyway.
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It's been interesting watching some of the sniping by the other side in the aftermath of Obama sending Osama to hell. Also makes it clear that those people will never be reasonable. After all if they can't even give the guy credit for this, it isn't going to happen ever.


Obama had almost nothing to do with this. It was the military who collected the intelligence and used that to kill osama. all obama did was ok the operation which anyone would have done. I know obama is your god and he made it sound like he was in pakistan (which he can't even pronounce right) setting up the mission and killing osama himself. Only the truly lost obamanauts think obama was some great man for doing this. All he did was make a decision that anyone else in his position would have made.
 Originally Posted By: rex

Trump is the greatest!


Good job summing up some of the con talking points but Obama's involvement was more than just saying ok to a plan. He actually made it more of a priority to get Osama and took criticism by both parties over two years ago for his willingness to go into Pakistan and take him out.
Now you have to edit my posts to fit your views. Why do you post here again? Its not like you ever actually discuss anything with anyone here. You just keep spamming leftist talking points.
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: rex

Trump is the greatest!


Good job summing up some of the con talking points but Obama's involvement was more than just saying ok to a plan. He actually made it more of a priority to get Osama and took criticism by both parties over two years ago for his willingness to go into Pakistan and take him out.


Even as he eliminated the "enhanced" interrogation techniques and other intelligence procedures that over several years led to the killing of Bin Ladin.

So the country is actually less safe now, because we are no longer able to gather the kind of intelligence that has kept us safe up from terrorist attacks up to this point. Thanks to Obama.
Thanks for your response, conservative mem.
 Originally Posted By: rex
I want to be bsams friend.
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: rex

Trump is the greatest!


Good job summing up some of the con talking points but Obama's involvement was more than just saying ok to a plan. He actually made it more of a priority to get Osama and took criticism by both parties over two years ago for his willingness to go into Pakistan and take him out.


Even as he eliminated the "enhanced" interrogation techniques and other intelligence procedures that over several years led to the killing of Bin Ladin.

So the country is actually less safe now, because we are no longer able to gather the kind of intelligence that has kept us safe up from terrorist attacks up to this point. Thanks to Obama.


Bush stopped the waterboarding in 2006 didn't he? And what was the crucial piece of info they got from waterboarding that got us Osama?
So MEM honestly believes that Obama policies are what led us to Osama?
He was killed on Obama's watch. That means he's solely responsible for Osama's death.

-Matter-Eater Man
Posted By: Pariah Re: Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - 2011-05-08 3:46 AM
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
I'm just waiting until this administration eventually takes credit for the policies that allowed for his death.


Wait's over!
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
He was killed on Obama's watch. That means he's solely responsible for Osama's death.


I wouldn't say that but that would be an example of the shriller conservative spin with this. Obama didn't take sole credit for this and went out of his way to give credit to everyone that worked on getting the big bad guy.
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man


Obama didn't take sole credit for this and went out of his way to give credit to everyone that worked on getting the big bad guy.


How many times did he mention the military in his speech and how many times did he mention himself?
 Originally Posted By: rex
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man


Obama didn't take sole credit for this and went out of his way to give credit to everyone that worked on getting the big bad guy.


How many times did he mention the military in his speech and how many times did he mention himself?
 Quote:
President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
Obama, Biden pay tribute to troops
3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments

President Obama thanks soldiers at Ft. Campbell fo...: Meets privately with operatives who killed Osama bin Laden

FORT CAMPBELL— President Barack Obama paid tribute to an appreciative audience of more than 2,300 soldiers Friday, thanking them for the spirit of service and sacrifice that led to the capture and killing of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

“You’ve been on the front lines of this fight for nearly 10 years,” the president told a standing-room only, camouflage-clad crowd in a hangar at Fort Campbell, home of the 101st Airborne Division.

“You were there in those early days, driving the Taliban from power, pushing al-Qaida out of its safe havens. Over time, as the insurgency grew, you went back for, in some cases, a second time, a third time, a fourth time.”

Obama spoke five days after bin Laden, whose al-Qaida organization was responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, was killed in Pakistan.

Before the rally with the troops, he met privately with units that were heavily involved in the mission: the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, which is based at Fort Campbell, and Navy SEAL Team 6.

“Job well done,” he told the special forces.

To the 101st, Obama said: “I came here for a simple reason — to say thank you on behalf of America.”

...

tennessean.com

Obama is clearly trying to grab all the credit.
That's great.

Now if only he'd done that before being criticized about not doing it.

Hmm. Somehow I don't think Bush would have had the same problem.
So after he gets called out on taking the credit he fixes his mistake. Now we should all call him out for being a commie.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 8:14 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Quote:
President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
Obama, Biden pay tribute to troops
3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments

President Obama thanks soldiers at Ft. Campbell fo...: Meets privately with operatives who killed Osama bin Laden

FORT CAMPBELL— President Barack Obama paid tribute to an appreciative audience of more than 2,300 soldiers Friday, thanking them for the spirit of service and sacrifice that led to the capture and killing of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

“You’ve been on the front lines of this fight for nearly 10 years,” the president told a standing-room only, camouflage-clad crowd in a hangar at Fort Campbell, home of the 101st Airborne Division.

“You were there in those early days, driving the Taliban from power, pushing al-Qaida out of its safe havens. Over time, as the insurgency grew, you went back for, in some cases, a second time, a third time, a fourth time.”

Obama spoke five days after bin Laden, whose al-Qaida organization was responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, was killed in Pakistan.

Before the rally with the troops, he met privately with units that were heavily involved in the mission: the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, which is based at Fort Campbell, and Navy SEAL Team 6.

“Job well done,” he told the special forces.

To the 101st, Obama said: “I came here for a simple reason — to say thank you on behalf of America.”

...

tennessean.com

Obama is clearly trying to grab all the credit.


It's funny how, when you present some people with absolute fact and proof, they still try and either claim it's false, or simply try and twist their argument a different way. Meanwhile, though, you proved your point with facts. Well done and argument unquestionably won.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 8:48 AM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
It's funny how, when you present some people with absolute fact and proof, they still try and either claim it's false, or simply try and twist their argument a different way. Meanwhile, though, you proved your point with facts. Well done and argument unquestionably won.


How long ago was he killed again?
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 8:48 AM
\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

-Prometheus
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 8:49 AM
Keep on truckin' Pro.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:05 AM
\:lol\: I love making you dance. It's so effortless...
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:13 AM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
\:lol\:


No shit.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:14 AM
\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

Graemlins make the bad people go away!

\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

-Prometheus
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:24 AM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
\:lol\: I love making you dance. It's so effortless...
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 4:34 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Quote:
President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
Obama, Biden pay tribute to troops
3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments

President Obama thanks soldiers at Ft. Campbell fo...: Meets privately with operatives who killed Osama bin Laden

FORT CAMPBELL— President Barack Obama paid tribute to an appreciative audience of more than 2,300 soldiers Friday, thanking them for the spirit of service and sacrifice that led to the capture and killing of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

“You’ve been on the front lines of this fight for nearly 10 years,” the president told a standing-room only, camouflage-clad crowd in a hangar at Fort Campbell, home of the 101st Airborne Division.

“You were there in those early days, driving the Taliban from power, pushing al-Qaida out of its safe havens. Over time, as the insurgency grew, you went back for, in some cases, a second time, a third time, a fourth time.”

Obama spoke five days after bin Laden, whose al-Qaida organization was responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, was killed in Pakistan.

Before the rally with the troops, he met privately with units that were heavily involved in the mission: the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, which is based at Fort Campbell, and Navy SEAL Team 6.

“Job well done,” he told the special forces.

To the 101st, Obama said: “I came here for a simple reason — to say thank you on behalf of America.”

...

tennessean.com

Obama is clearly trying to grab all the credit.


It's funny how, when you present some people with absolute fact and proof, they still try and either claim it's false, or simply try and twist their argument a different way. Meanwhile, though, you proved your point with facts. Well done and argument unquestionably won.


Yep, now it's time to pretend that Obama just started giving credit to the military when he's been doing it all along. I really don't expect the Pariahs out there to do anything different than what they always do. I guess I was surprised though that so many conservatives seem to be going that route. I can understand a Bush voter wishing it was their guy that had gotten Osama and this being a little bitter sweet for them but some of the polling I've seen, well I guess I had hoped there would have been more of a moment of unity.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 8:53 PM
Pundits aren't interested in "unity". All they want is "their side" to "win". Either for ego, vanity, or greed. They have no real interest in truth, but more in how good a group can make them look if they belong to said mentality. And, let's be fair, we're not just talking Conservative Extremists, either. Plenty of the Liberal Elite out there have the exact same selfish goals. So, it's just the complete and utter corruption of American politics as we know it...
Posted By: rex Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 8:58 PM
So mem is a pundit now?
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:07 PM
 Originally Posted By: rex
So I'm a pundit now?


Yes.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:14 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Yep, now it's time to pretend that Obama just started giving credit to the military when he's been doing it all along.


 Originally Posted By: Matter-Eater Man
President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
Obama, Biden pay tribute to troops
3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments


Poor MEM. I guess he's just too busy getting fellated by Pro to bother making sense.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:17 PM
Silly MEM. Don't you know you have to get a linked-article to match a date Pariah approves? How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!!


\:lol\:
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:17 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
\:lol\: I love making you dance. It's so effortless...
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:18 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Pundits aren't interested in "unity". All they want is "their side" to "win". Either for ego, vanity, or greed. They have no real interest in truth, but more in how good a group can make them look if they belong to said mentality. And, let's be fair, we're not just talking Conservative Extremists, either. Plenty of the Liberal Elite out there have the exact same selfish goals. So, it's just the complete and utter corruption of American politics as we know it...
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 9:59 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Silly MEM. Don't you know you have to get a linked-article to match a date Pariah approves? How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!!


\:lol\:


 Originally Posted By: Pariah
That's great.

Now if only he'd done that before being criticized about not doing it.

Hmm. Somehow I don't think Bush would have had the same problem.


 Originally Posted By: Pariah
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
It's funny how, when you present some people with absolute fact and proof, they still try and either claim it's false, or simply try and twist their argument a different way. Meanwhile, though, you proved your point with facts. Well done and argument unquestionably won.


How long ago was he killed again?


You're not very bright are you Pro?
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 10:00 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus

\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

Go away Pariah! You've made a fool of me too many times in the past already. I'm not falling for it again!

\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 10:08 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
\:lol\: I love making you dance. It's so effortless...
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 10:09 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Pundits aren't interested in "unity". All they want is "their side" to "win". Either for ego, vanity, or greed. They have no real interest in truth, but more in how good a group can make them look if they belong to said mentality. And, let's be fair, we're not just talking Conservative Extremists, either. Plenty of the Liberal Elite out there have the exact same selfish goals. So, it's just the complete and utter corruption of American politics as we know it...
Posted By: Pariah Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-08 10:15 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus

\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:

NO! I will not be made a fool of again! I refuse!

\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:


You know you don't need to respond to me directly to look like an idiot right Pro?

Quoting yourself repeatedly as if your posts are relevant to the issue does the trick just fine.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-09 12:00 AM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!!


\:lol\:


It's just like the time Pariah told us that Sony wasn't guilty of having shitty protection for PSN users, since Microsoft can get hacked, too.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-09 1:00 AM
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Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-09 1:21 AM
Chris Wallace just asked a great question to national security advisor Tom Donilon: Why is it okay to shoot an unarmed man in the face --Bin Ladin-- but it's not okay to conduct "enhanced" interrogation [waterboarding] of Al Qaida prisoners?

I'd only add to that: Why is "enhanced" interrogation immoral, but attacking a country that we never declared war on, and even sending in squads to assassinate Qaddafi and his family members perfectly okay?



Since Obama is already more willing to call Tea Party members dangerous extremists than he is to similarly label actual muslim terrorists, it's not difficult to imagine the possiblilities of sliding down this slippery slope. Especially for a president with an administration full of people who have praised the likes of Mao and Hugo Chavez.





Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-09 2:25 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Chris Wallace just asked a great question to national security advisor Tom Donilon: Why is it okay to shoot an unarmed man in the face --Bin Ladin-- but it's not okay to conduct "enhanced" interrogation [waterboarding] of Al Qaida prisoners?

...


It's not the same thing. For one thing the ones that went into Pakistan were taking on far more risk than the ones doing the torture. You don't have to worry about an already captured and detained captive blowing you up. The team that got Osama really did have to worry about that stuff.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-09 7:38 AM
 Originally Posted By: MisterJLA
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
How do you expect facts, the truth, or reality to convince him if you can't link to an article he approves of??!!


It's just like the time Pariah told us anything



\:lol\:
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-11 1:31 AM
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Yep, now it's time to pretend that Obama just started giving credit to the military when he's been doing it all along.


 Originally Posted By: Matter-Eater Man
President Obama thanks Fort Campbell soldiers
Obama, Biden pay tribute to troops
3:31 AM, May. 7, 2011 | Comments


Poor MEM. I guess he's just too busy getting fellated by Pro to bother making sense.


Seriously, how the fuck does Obama thanking the troops a week to late equate to giving credit all along to this moron?
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-11 1:32 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Chris Wallace just asked a great question to national security advisor Tom Donilon: Why is it okay to shoot an unarmed man in the face --Bin Ladin-- but it's not okay to conduct "enhanced" interrogation [waterboarding] of Al Qaida prisoners?

...


It's not the same thing. For one thing the ones that went into Pakistan were taking on far more risk than the ones doing the torture. You don't have to worry about an already captured and detained captive blowing you up. The team that got Osama really did have to worry about that stuff.



If only given the option of being waterboarded or shot int he face which would you choose?
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-11 1:52 AM
 Originally Posted By: Irwin Schwab
If only given the option of being waterboarded or shot in the face which would you choose?


It's a pretty simple choice. Waterboarding is a few minutes of discomfort with no permanent injury.

Being shot in the face... well... that's a lot more permanent.




U.S. marines and news reporters volunteer to be waterboarded.
Not many volunteers for the latter bullet to the face.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Osama Dead - 2011-05-11 1:59 AM
 Originally Posted By: M E M
It's not the same thing. For one thing the ones that went into Pakistan were taking on far more risk than the ones doing the torture. You don't have to worry about an already captured and detained captive blowing you up. The team that got Osama really did have to worry about that stuff.




That's a bogus argument.

Is a police officer less valuable than Marine in Iraq or Afghanistan, just because cop is at less risk?

A prisoner can always unexpectedly attack, or even kill their guards in a bid to escape.

Is a teacher less valuable than a Navy SEAL?
Is a paramedic, just because he's not risking his life?

I would argue that the Navy SEALs are not at risk of being falsely imprisoned by Eric Holder's justice department, on equally bogus arguments.
It's not bogus to recognize that the SEALS were at far more risk than an already captured and detained prisoner. Your scenario of an unexpected attack is far less likely and so there is much less risk. I made no such statement about one being more valuable than the other, nor see that having anything to do with the torture debate.
How could the seals be at risk when obama was responsible for it all? Doesn't that mean obama was in danger?
\:lol\:
 Originally Posted By: rex
I love bsams. I am also not wearing pants.
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It's not bogus to recognize that the SEALS were at far more risk than an already captured and detained prisoner. Your scenario of an unexpected attack is far less likely and so there is much less risk.


I'd acknowledge that a SEAL on a battlefield is at higher risk. But a CIA interrogator is likewise at some considerable risk. From both their prisoners, as well as others who would seek to kill them.

I have a friend who was a prison guard, who spoke to me about an incident where he was just walking a prisoner from one area to another of the prison two steps behind him, and the prisoner whirled around for no apparent reason and elbowed him in the jaw, breaking his jaw. Six years later, he still had middle-ear problems and several surgeries, long after he left his position.


 Originally Posted By: M E M
I made no such statement about one being more valuable than the other, nor see that having anything to do with the torture debate.


I re-read your comment I responded to, and acknowledge that I read more into it than you actually said.

Independent of that, a CIA interrogator is as necessary to get information and save lives, as are Navy SEALs.

And as I said, the CIA agents are up on false charges, and are arguably also at risk for doing exactly as they were instructed to.
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Sen. John McCain: Osama Bin Laden was not killed because of information obtained by torture
BY Helen Kennedy
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, May 12th 2011, 2:27 PM

Torture did not produce the information that led to Osama Bin Laden, Arizona Sen. John McCain declared Thursday.


"It was not torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads," he said on the Senate floor.

The key information about Bin Laden's courier "was obtained through standard, noncoercive means" - not from waterboarding detainees, McCain wrote in a Washington Post editorial.

A former prisoner of war who endured five years of mistreatment in Vietnam, McCain has a unique authority to speak on the subject.

Former Bush administration officials have repeatedly claimed that the relentless waterboarding of terrorist Khalid Sheik Mohammed cracked the case.

McCain said he learned from CIA Director Leon Panetta and staffers at the Senate intelligence committee that Mohammed actually lied to his interrogators about the courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

"He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an Al Qaeda facilitator - none of which was true," McCain said.

The initial information about the courier's central role in Al Qaeda and his nickname, which ultimately led to Bin Laden, "came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured," McCain said.

McCain's account directly contradicts the version told by several top Bush administration officials.

...

nydailynews.com
So McCain knows more about this than Panetta?
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 2:06 AM
It looks like in the rush to take credit the secret White House sources have endangered the real heroes that took down Osama:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/12/gat...-safety/?hpt=C1

 Quote:
“We are very concerned about the security of our families – of your families and our troops, and also these elite units that are engaged in things like that. And without getting into any details … I would tell you that when I met with the team last Thursday, they expressed a concern about that, and particularly with respect to their families,” Gates told an audience of Marines at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.

Then he dropped this bombshell: “Frankly, a week ago Sunday, in the Situation Room, we all agreed that we would not release any operational details from the effort to take out bin Laden. That all fell apart on Monday, the next day.”

"He was indeed voicing his concern about the breakdown in operational security after the killing of Bin Laden," Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Geoff Morrell said. "Anonymous sources revealing secret information about the tactics, training, and equipment of covert forces put at risk our ability to successfully mount similar missions in the future."
This is why you don't make a community organizer commander in chief of the world's greatest army.
Do you miss the days of the Bush Administration where secret agents were exposed for political payback and faulty intelligence was manufactured to go to war?

No wonder Osama had all those safe years.
Posted By: Pariah Re: Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 4:34 AM
Last I checked, Richard Armitage didn't have an axe to grind. So I'm not sure what "payback" you're referring to.
Bin Laden had porn
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/13/extensive-porn-stash-reportedly-bin-laden-compound/

"Man I'd love to fuck her brains out than blow up her house!"
Posted By: rex Re: Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 4:43 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
bush did it first
Posted By: Prometheus Re: Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 5:56 AM
Posted By: Son of Mxy Re: Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 6:05 AM
\:lol\: \:lol\: \:lol\:
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 12:22 PM
Except that the Justice League wouldn't just sit there watching, while Navy SEALs did the fighting.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama Leaks Endangers Heroic Soldiers - 2011-05-14 12:27 PM
Despite the best efforts of the Obama administration to not release photos, it's still gradually coming out.



Bin Laden Raid Was Captured On SEAL Team Helmet Cameras

  • It seems that the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound was, in fact, captured on the helmet cameras of the Navy SEAL team that took down the terrorist leader.

    According to CBS' David Martin, the entire 40-minute raid was recorded on the 25 tiny helmet cams of the SEAL Team that went in. They appear to have the whole mission covered from every angle.

    From CBS News:

    The SEALs first saw bin Laden when he came out on the third floor landing. They fired, but missed. He retreated to his bedroom, and the first SEAL through the door grabbed bin Laden's daughters and pulled them aside.
    When the second SEAL entered, bin Laden's wife rushed forward at him -- or perhaps was pushed by bin Laden. The SEAL shoved her aside and shot bin Laden in the chest. A third seal shot him in the head.




I suspect they're disclosing this much because of what's already been leaked.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama and the Justice League - 2011-05-14 7:17 PM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus


\:lol\:
Wonder woman looks old.
Flash really let himself go.
Captain America looks like a midget.
I'm not even sure who most of those people are supposed to be.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Obama and the Justice League - 2011-05-15 2:56 PM
 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
Wonder woman looks old.
Flash really let himself go.
Captain America looks like a midget.
I'm not even sure who most of those people are supposed to be.


Here's a reference for you:




Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Obama and the Justice League - 2011-05-15 6:27 PM
What the hell is wrong with you?
You can check it out here.

WTF? Why publicly list the restaurants and hangouts of the SEALS? Just when you think the lefties can't do any more damage to the country they top themselves.
Maybe if you feel that way you shouldn't actually help spread that information?

Really what's the hell is wrong with you?
Only MEM believes the RKMBS message board is source for the Washington Post. Even JLA called you on your stupidity.
That was for you, Digby.

"WTF? Why publicly list the restaurants and hangouts of the SEALS?"

'Here, I'll provide the info, too.'

It's ok, I know you aren't allowed to speak your mind.
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
Wonder woman looks old.
Flash really let himself go.
Captain America looks like a midget.
I'm not even sure who most of those people are supposed to be.


Here's a reference for you:




So it was villains dressed as heroes.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Obama and the Justice League - 2011-05-16 4:26 AM
\:lol\:

(I'm not laughing with you)
Posted By: rex Re: Obama and the Justice League - 2011-05-16 4:34 AM
Its funny because mem is a retard!
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: Obama and the Justice League - 2011-05-16 4:55 AM
\:lol\:
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