CBS News: Bernie Sanders supporter opens fire on congressional baseball game practice, trying to kill as many republicans as possible.

What we know about Alexandria shooting suspect James T. Hodgkinson

• The suspect for the shooting at a Republican baseball practice was an outspoken GOP critic who said this year that it was time to “destroy Trump” and his allies.
  
  Authorities identified James T. Hodgkinson, a home inspector from Belleville, Ill., as the lone suspect for the attack that left five people injured....
  
  Bernie Sanders..said in a statement that Hodgkinson "apparently volunteered" for his presidential campaign.
  
  Hodgkinson wrote just three months ago about his desire to bring down Trump and the GOP.
  
  “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co.,” he said in a March Facebook post.
  
  He was also a member of several anti-GOP Facebook groups, including "Terminate the Republican Party" and "The Road to Hell is Paved with Republicans."

LEFT-WING TWITTER CELEBRATES SHOOTING OF REP. SCALISE

Gabby Giffords Says Her ‘Heart’ Is With Scalise, Other Victims
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Former congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was gravely wounded in an assassination attempt six years ago, said Wednesday that her "heart" was with Rep. Steve Scalise and others involved in the shooting in Alexandria, Virginia.

In the aftermath of the shooting, Giffords called for Congress to unite across both sides of the aisle and said the shooting was an attack "on all who participate in our democracy."


"I am heartbroken for the pain of Congressman Scalise, the other victims, and their family, friends and colleagues who survived," Giffords said in the statement.

She also praised the Capitol Police, who were the first to respond to the shooting.

"I am thankful for the great courage of the Capitol Police, who were my protectors after I was shot and became my friends," Giffords said. "I also know the courage it takes to recover from a shooting like this, and I know Steve and everyone there this morning have such courage in great supply."

Scalise was shot in the hip and is said to be recovering from surgery. Earlier reports said the suspect wounded five people, but he wounded four, including Scalise, while two others suffered ankle injuries.

When she was a Democratic congresswoman from Arizona, Giffords was shot in the head and seriously injured alongside 18 others during a 2011 constituent event she was holding in a grocery store parking lot in Tucson. The shooter, Jared Loughner, later plead guilty to 19 charges, including murder and attempted assassination of a member of Congress and was sentenced to life in prison.

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Related: Giffords Salutes Sailors as Warship Named for Her Is Commissioned

Giffords, who underwent a difficult recovery from a brain injury, returned to work on the Hill less than a year after the shooting and has become a vocal advocate for gun control since leaving Congress in 2012.

"May all Americans come together today with prayers for the survivors, love for their friends and family, and the courage to go about everyday making this country its best," she said.

"Our nation is resilient, and we always come back stronger."

In 2013, Giffords launched the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Solutions, with her husband, retired astronaut Mark Kelly.

Their organization aims to end gun violence and “encourage elected officials to stand up for solutions to prevent gun violence and protect responsible gun ownership.”

Kelly told MSNBC's Brian Williams that when he learned House Whip Scalise had been shot, his thoughts immediately went to moment he learned his wife had been shot.

"I thought about his family and what they must be experiencing right now to find out that he's been shot and wondering what his condition is," Kelly said.
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Flashback: Bernie Sanders Fundraises off Giffords Shooting, Says Republicans ‘Need to Do More’

A few weeks ago a Sanders supporter went after a couple little girls and knifed three guys when the tried to stop the nutcase.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/05/who_is_jeremy_christian_facebo.html

http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/max-stabbing-suspect-is-a-self-proclaimed-white-nationalist/443585889

I've been saying for years that Democrats have been escalating their rhetoric. And the lack of accountability for it either by media coverage (who ignore when liberals make violent threats or act violently, while exaggerating the slightest SUGGESTION of a POSSIBLE threat by Tea Party and other conservatives) or by police (who for some reason don't arrest and prosecute, because of PC/liberal leadership), has just emboldened the Left to ever increasing threats and violence.

And lo and behold, here we go again.

Hannity has been dead-on almost every night since Trump was inaugurated, regarding the issues at hand.



His show from last night, Friday 6-16-2017, gives a great overview of the liberal hypocrisy, with great commentary afterward by Newt Gingrich and others, how Democrats and the liberal media have in myriad ways called for Trump's blood, and have called for lawlessness and mob rule to overthrow Trump's victory in the Nov 2016 election.
And now people like Pelosi and Schumer, after their extreme and venomous rhetoric... call for unity? There should be FAR more discussion of how liberal media and liberal politicians filled this Hodgekinson guy with the propaganda that moved him to go on his killing spree. Like Christopher Dorner before him, this guy left a clear online trail back to the sources that pumped him up for his mission.

A little context to add to g's cartoons, this was his first response after somebody tried blowing Gifford's brains out....

MEM, within hours of Giffords shooting you were blaming Palin for causing it due to much less violent rhetoric than we've seen against Trump and Republicans. You tried to tell us that simply using image of 'targeting opposition' in campaign ads, despite both sides using that imagery, was somehow at fault for a non-ideological shooter acting.

Now, we have months, if not years, of Democrats depicting and calling for violence against republicans, followed by a ideologically motivated Sanders supporter, trying to shoot as many republicans possible, and suddenly you think we can't rush to judgment.

The simple fact of the matter is that the politically motivated shooting you predicted for years finally came about and it was a democrat, not republican, who finally committed it.

Actually I took issue with her gun/campaign rhetoric the previous year before Giffords was shot. Your response before and after her asasination attempt relieves you of any credibility. You might as well be wearing a big clown nose as you rut in your partisan double standard. I will say of the things you are blaming, "Dump Trump" tees are tacky but don't cross a line. Kathy Gifford's severed Trump head did though. We are all responsible for the things we say and do.

M E M, it's offensive how far beyond reality you reach just so you can ATTEMPT to rationalize "well, Republicans do it too."

No, Republicans don't.

1) The "target" sights on opposition candidates to beat in an election was begun over 30 years ago by Bob Beckell in the 1984 presidential election. It WASN'T begun by Sarah Palin or any Republican, nor was it done with the violent hatred of the opposition you consistently see directed by Democrats at Republicans (severed head of Trump, fantasies about Trump's assassination by various means, hatred directed at Trump and his supporters as evil/Nazis/vampires that have to be resisted and stopped by any means, and screw the rule of law that he was fairly elected.)

2) In the case of Rep. Giffords shot by Jared Loughner, it cannot be argued Loughner was motivated by "right-wing rhetoric" because he was a LEFT-winger who wasn't even listening to right-wing rhetoric anyway!
There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE, ABSOLUTELY NONE that Loughner ever attended a right-wing meeting or ever so much as glimpsed a right-wing website, and every online web-browse was fully investigated on his computer by police after the shooting.

It is an offensive lie that you even try to float that as a possibility, M E M.

Likewise:

• George Zimmerman: labelled falsely by Dems and the liberal media as a white racist NRA-type right winger, but turned out to be a registered Democrat who voted for Obama, who is also black and Hispanic, whose primary language at home is Spanish.
  
  The Sandy Hook, CT elementary school shooter: also a liberal. Also labelled falsely initially as an NRA right-winger.
  
  The Aurora, CO movie theatre shooter. Also falsely labelled as a right winger motivated by Tea Party rhetoric, who likewise turned out to be a left-winger with no Tea Party connection.
  
  L.A. cop-killer Christopher Dorner, who like Hodgekinson last week, was an avid MSNBC/liberal media viewer who CLEARLY sourced the liberal media pundits he praised for their rhetoric, who CLEARLY was motivated by their "RESIST / NOT MY PRESIDENT / Republicans are evil and have to be stopped by any means" rhetoric. As in the Dorner case, Democrat rhetoric is undeniably the source of Hodgekinson's shooting spree in Virginia, complete with a written hit-list in his pocket of Republican congressmen he went to the baseball field to kill. The liberal media's only recourse is to selectively omit the facts and not report the clear Democrat-rhetoric motivation!

It's infuriating how you and other Democrats not only ignore the true facts, but manufacture a clear lie to blame Republicans.

Only ONE side incites mob rule and killing their opposition, and it sure as hell is not the Republicans.

And in case you've forgotten...



...these kind of violent fantasies of killing a Republican president go back to the Bush years. Interesting how you DIDN'T see similar fantasies about Obama during HIS 8 years. It's a very one-sided uncivility.
The closest I can think of during Obama's 8 years was a rodeo clown who simply wore an Obama mask during a rodeo in Kentucky, simply mocking him. And for this, was forever banned from future rodeos in Kentucky!

Requirements for civility clearly only apply to Republican opposition to a Democrat president. Sure as hell not the reverse.

I was just pointing out that I had an issue with Palin's crosshairs before Giffords was shot since g had misstated that I did it right after. You guys were very vocal about what you thought about that. After Giffords assignation attempt it was g right away griping that dems were going to politicize it. Now he's going after anybody who wears a tee shirt that doesn't praise Trump . So you guys bitch and moaned because I dared criticized Palin prior to Giffords getting shot but now it's pretty much anybody that expresses contempt for the disgusting piece of shit that is our President.

I think it's crazy that this guy was allowed to legally own a gun considering his past history. Blaming a tee shirt might feel better for you guys but that's also kind of crazy.

As I JUST SAID, Palin's "cross hairs" ads had nothing to do with Rep. Giffords being shot by Jared Loughner. Loughner was described by everyone who knew him as a "liberal pothead". Loughner wasn't a Republican, and wasn't following Palin's campaign ads. There is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF, ABSOLUTELY NONE to support your lie that this was any factor whatsoever in the Giffords shooting. It is a lie. Period. The end.

And AS I SAID. Bob Beckel himself said that he invented the "cross hairs" political ads targeting opposition candidates back in 1984 over 30 years ago. So you can't even say that Palin or Republicans invented these type of ads, let alone float the lie that they had any role in the Giffords shooting. It is a lie.

"Blaming a tee shirt"?
What the heck does that even mean?

Hal Lindsey in his June 23 2017 program last night lays down the chronology and injuries from the Hodgekinson shooting. Several have had multiple surgeries to repair the damage. All would have been slaughtered if not for Scalise's special protection escort.

He also lays down the Democrat leaders who cheered on the shooting, and Democrat leaders who wished Republicans had been killed, and hopes more will in future incidents.

And also lays down the rhetoric of both Democrat leaders AND liberal media pundits AND Hollywood elites that have stoked this violence, and how the lack of consequences for their comments assures that similar violence against Republican elected officials, and even Republican/Trump supporters is emboldened and assured by this lack of consequences.

G had a cartoon that used a "dump trump" tee shirt to try to somehow blame those people. Regardless of Giffords assasin's motives I don't approve of using crosshairs in campaigns. That was my opinion before she was shot and it doesn't change after.

If you consistently have had the same opinion of similar "crosshair" posters targeting Republicans over the last 30-plus years, then I can respect that.
If you're blaming it for the Giffords shooting, that is clearly not the case.

I think it takes on a whole new level when there has been so much rhetoric about killing Trump (and W. Bush before him, interestingly such uncivility skipped Obama from the Republican side) and so much other violent/militaristic/insurrectionist rhetoric since the November election toward Trump, that refuses to accept the government selected by a free and fair election.

I have a client who regularly hangs out at Mar A Lago, and she tells me about protestors there who throw eggs and sometimes rocks at cars coming in and out. She said one time a guy was throwing bigger rocks, and the Palm Beach police arrested him. These people are insane, it should not be accepted, or passively endorsed. But clearly from comments on YouTube or any political website to that effect, there are tens of millions of Democrats who do, who at the very least make comments that should warrant a visit to their home by Secret Service.

Do you ever see comments or tweets from conservatives that cross a line? I usually skip the comments because I see the same thing on your side.

Wait...none of this kind of stuff happened under Obama? What part of "Obama noose" did I get wrong in the Google image search?

You had the occasional image or remark by those who opposed Obama, but only the outermost fringe called for violence against him. I recall a long topic here that showed some low level state Republican official re-posted a photoshop of Obama and his parents as monkeys. For which even Republicans condemned her. and she was fired or forced to resign.

The worst I recall was an off-the-cuff comment by Ted Nugent saying he'd like to shoot Obama, for which he apologized a day or two later. You don't see any remorse or apology from the Democrat/Left, over even the vilest of comments. Quite the contrary, many of them are posted by Hollywood celebrities, and even liberal mainstream reporters! And even MULTIPLE Democrat officials have said Hodgkinson had the right idea and people out there should finish the job and kill more Republican leaders!

I saw the movie Lord of the Flies again today, and it was eerily relevant, the bending and bending of the rules, the depraved mindset and complete abandonment of civility, the hatred that many Democrats have where they openly fantasize about killing Republicans. And as in Lord of the Flies, we are at the edge of violent anarchy. It isn't a case of "both sides need to turn down the rhetoric". Only ONE side calls for violence, intimidation and complete intolerance of its political opposition. And it preceded Trump and can't be blamed on only liberal reaction to Trump as president. Similar events such as violence that prevented Ann Coulter, Karl Rove, Condoleezza Rice and others from speaking at university speaking appearances and booksignings, years before Trump was president, or even an announced candidate.
The Left is completely unhinged, and dangerous, and actually feels they have a right to be. And neither mainstream Democrats, Hillary or Obama, Biden or Gore, or law enforcement are telling them they need to back off.

Ted Nugent is of course welcomed at the WH compared to Kathy Griffith who's photo was condemned by Democrats and lost work. I bet Ted made money and sadly Trump rewarded him as does conservative media.

Ted Nugent is portrayed on Fox as way over the line in his remark about Obama. It is NOT endorsed by the right, or by conservative media. And Nugent himself was genuinely remorseful and apologized immediately because he quickly realized it was over the line.

COMPARE:
Bill Maher joking about Sarah Palin as "the MILF vote", etc. : NO APOLOGY
Kathy Griffin who held up Trump's severed head in effigy: NO APOLOGY (but incredibly, whined that >>>SHE<<< is the victim).
David Letterman joking about knocking up Sarah Palin's Younger 15 year old teenage daughter: NO APOLOGY.
Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough's constant insults and personal smears of Trump: NO APOLOGY.
The many political DNC officials who have made comments about how people should attempt to kill MORE Republicans: NO APOLOGY.

Nugent is a welcomed guest at the WH. You can't spin that as your side being better. And Griffith also apologized right away WB so why are you claiming she didn't?

Asked and answered:



The difference is that Nugent was remorseful and fully retracted his remarks. Whereas the Democrats listed are completely unrepentant in their fanatic personal attacks and call for violence, that they have literally engaged in for years.

Kathy Griffith only apologized to try and save her career, once she had spent probably weeks creating and photographing a simulated SEVERED HEAD OF THE PRESIDENT in effigy! She's an alleged comedian, I'm still waiting for someone to explain how this stunt was the least bit funny.
Ted Nugent, by contrast, is not employed by a news organization and is not accountable. If he chose to, he could have ignored the criticism. But to his credit, after making the off the cuff unpremeditated remark, on further thought he said it was wrong and he retracted it. And Republicans certainly didn't support his remark about shooting Obama, before or after he apologized. Big difference from the Democrat side, where liberal intolerance, vicious personal attacks and often violence are widely endorsed. Even by Democrat officials!



And just to again manifest that this insane uncivility is very widespread among Democrats:

CHARLOTTE, NC STARBUCKS DISCRIMINATES AGAINST REPUBLICAN, TRUMP SUPPORTERS HOLD PEACEFUL SIT-IN AT STARBUCKS TO PROTEST

Democrat intolerance is widespread nationwide, and there is no call for restraint from anyone in Washington. Not Obama, not Hillary, not Biden, not the DNC chair. Those who are calling "resist" (a militant reference to the French Underground of World War II), "impeach", or many Democrat officials who endorse violent attacks on Republican elected officials, either at rallies or on social media.

Those among Dems who don't endorse this mob rule are the EXCEPTION among Democrats, not the majority.

I think given Nugent's multiple comments over the years it's hard to argue he's actually sincere in any type of apology you might have seen. I only see a limp one that was more for republican leaders that felt he had gone to far. I guess it comes down to both celebrities crossing a line but Nugent's behavior is far more acceptable to the GOP because people like yourself make excuses for them. You can bitch about the other side but you ignore your own

ITT: persecution complex battle royale

I guess I would say a key difference is I'm not trying to argue that Griffiths action was somehow okay. I think what she did effectively ended her career where for Nugent it actually is supported and even got him to the WH. It's not surprising Trump rolled out the red carpet given his own antics.

AGAIN: To everyone but you, Ted Nugent made a sincere apology.


David Letterman did not.
Michael Moore did not.
Whoopie Goldberg did not.
Madonna did not.
NANCY PELOSI did not!
CHUCK SCHUMER did not!
*BARACK OBAMA* did not!
*HILLARY CLINTON* did not!

ALL these celebrities and political figures have unleashed deeply insulting personal attacks and slanders on Republicans, and many have also flatout incited violence and insurrectionist revolution. I don't see anything that Ted Nugent has said that even begins to compare to the Democrat/Left's assault on democracy and free elections.

I would argue that Ted Nugent's fans don't care one way or the other what he says.
Whereas on the Democrat side, shouting "RESIST" and insurrection and rejecting Trump as president is more visibly a hop aboard the liberal-intolerance bandwagon that helps their careers.
And certainly for politicians like Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi, calling Trump a vampire and the prince of darkness that has to be stopped is stoking their base for re-election in crazy-left districts, and issuing marching orders to the next wave of Hodgekinsons nationwide.

Ted Nugent in his own words, with Eric Bolling.




and

And on CBS News with Charlie Rose:

And with Erin O'Brien on CNN (2014):

Gosh what a surprise that you feel his apology was sincere. And no it's not just me or even democrats that feel Nugent crossed a line...a couple of times btw.

I posted the videos of him, in his own words. It doesn't back up what you say, M E M. His words are not the ones I'd choose, but he does in other words address the same concerns I have, that Dinesh D'Souza has with Obama and the Democrats, that the NRA has, that any informed conservative Republican has. That Obama is an Alinsky-trained cultural Marxist who has been marinated since birth in Marxist radicalism, who surrounds himself with America-hating radicals like William Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Anita Dunn, Ron Bloom, Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, and Michele Obama, to name just a few. Google any of those names under DiscoverTheNetworks, and you'll see the threat these people in any position of power pose toward the U.S.

http://archive.discoverthenetworks.org/summary.asp?object=Persons&category=

And of particular concern to Ted Nugent, toward the second amendment. His word-choice is not the most artful, but the facts he references are legitimate nonetheless.

AGAIN: >>>NONE<<< of the Democrats I mentioned have apologized, let alone sincerely.

I'm not clicking on any video with that worthless scumbag WB. Nugent has said a couple things over the years that some partisan republicans support. Those that do, lower themselves and certainly are in no position to lecture anybody.

Now CNN employees are being threatened just for working there. And not just them but they're kids too.

WP

Years ago, Bill O'Reilly detailed in one of his opening editorials some liberal whining about threats for a story he'd written. And O'Reilly after running a clip of the whining, said: "Do you have any idea how many threats I get regularly?!?" and detailed just a sampling of incidents, threatening both himself and his family, who need round-the-clock security because of regular ongoing liberal threats.

And I'm sure the same for virtually everyone at Fox News. Because as I've detailed in many examples over the years, liberals are far more uncivil, far more prone to violence, and have far less respect for free speech and for the rule of law, and are far less tolerant of conservatives.


Even the neo-nazis, who are a very small fringe that I don't share the slightest ideology with, even these extremists in the message you quoted addressed to CNN, they aren't threatening CNN unprovoked, they're saying "If you keep it up, we'll attack your private lives and families the same way you attack us."

It's not so much a threat as a warning to CNN to dial it back, or they'll follow CNN's lead into uncivility.

Iggy, were you taking Pro's meds, and now you're off them and completely unhinged?

Your posts lately are as unimaginative as they are petty.

G-man posted this one earlier:



Just as true today, there are only more examples of Democrat fanaticism and violent intolerance of any dissenting views. Intolernace of even a landslide election for Trump, the clear will of the people.

I think the difference is if Kathy Griffin had been a republican she would be invited to the Trump WH and a conservative media darling.

Gee, that's funny, because as I pointed out, while Trump condemned violence from both sides in the Charlettesville riots, he didn't invite "Alt-right" or KKK types to the White House.

Whereas Obama DID invite Black Lives Matter leadership wack-jobs who engaged unrelentingly in violent rhetoric against whites and police, BLM leaders who had actually gotten cops killed in multiple cities nationwide over several weeks, to the White House.

That shows pretty clearly what Democrats actually did, and what Trump actually did. And it's the opposite of what you allege.

A piece of shit hosts man who called for death of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton

I already answered that earlier in the topic. Ted Nugent immediately apologized and demonstrated genuine remorse for things he said in a moment of passion. Madonna, Kathy Griffin, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, the "Hamilton" stage players killing Trump in effigy, the rap artist scumbags killing Trump in their videos, NO APOLOGY.

Likewise the Antifa criminals (in true Nazi Brownshirt tradition) violently attacking anyone who publicly voices a conservative view, to intimidate into silence ANY conservative view.

Again, you keep alleging the greater propensity for threats and violence by conservatives. But all the threats and actual violence is heavily stacked on the Democrat/Left.

Will keep reposting for you WB as it's pretty clear what is acceptable at Spanky's place

Asked and answered. Ted Nugent is one guy who apologized.

Whereas all these Dems holding up Trump's bloody severed head or otherwise killing him in effigy, NONE of these Dems are apologizing. The greater uncivility, the disturbing threats to attack or kill Trump or other Republicans, actually doing it (Rep. Scalese at the baseball park, etc.), and just attacking any Republican speaking publicly (Antifa, students at bookstores and universities attacking Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, Yiannopoulos, even Condolleezza Rice, not even letting them speak) manifests vastly greater propensity for uncivility and actual violence on the Democrat/Left.

Kathy apologized too so spare me.

Like a month later, only AFTER her antics tanked her career.

And a few weeks after the apology, she doubled down on her anti-Trump hatred as if she never apologized.

I think it was pretty much right after. CNN was quick to cut it ties. Trump on the other hand invites the crazies to the WH. Different standards and different values.

That's narrative, not fact. As I just laid out. The fanaticism, hate and violence is almost exclusively on the Democrat side. And the Democrat/Left/liberal media orgasm all over themselves on the rare occasion a Republican says or does something that barely compares.



The benefit for Democrats in trying to demagogue this narrative is diminishing.

Man yelling 'anti-Trump' rhetoric opens fire at President's Miami-area golf resort




I wonder what the ratio of anti-Trump liberal violence is, relative to the number of incidents under Obama, under what the media portrayed as "a surge in right-wing/racist violence" against a black president.

Wouldn't it be nice if they covered the ACTUAL surge in LEFT-wing violence in a similar and proportionate manner to how often they occur. Vs. in the Obama years, how they blamed every shooting on right-wing/Tea Party angry rhetoric, and over and over, a day or two later the shooter would turn out to be a left-winger. The media finally got a right-wing shooter when some guy shot up a liberal park meeting in Norway. But they had to look in another country to find their "right wing shooter."

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/12/obama-aide-fantasizes-about-deaths-of-pence-ryan-mcconnell/



Gee, where do these Democrat crazies get their murderous ideas?

Possibly from the complete lack of restraint by the highest Democrat officials?

RESIST!

WH's "he's dying anyway" apparently is okay for the republican crazies. Not even a fake apology for a fellow republican dying from brain cancer and somebody who actually served and sacrificed for his country.

That comment about McCain was from a staffer, not a top official, and more importantly it was said in a closed-door meeting, not in a public press meeting or social media. It never would have been heard if some "amonymous source" hadn't leaked it. (Which is to say, if someone in Obama or Hillary's staff had done the exact same thing, it never would have gotten media coverage.)

Also saying "He's dying anyway" is basically saying not to be concerned about responding to McCain. That's not nearly the same thing as fantasizing about killing him, or wishing he was dead, as is the recurrent sentiment among Obama and Hillary officials, and grassroots liberal fascists.

Remember also that a Democrat strategist and a few other Democrats on social media bemoaned that Rep. Scalise and other Republicans weren't actually killed in the baseball field attack! On so many levels, there is just no comparison.

Your rationalization that it was somehow okay because it was said in a closed door meeting doesn't wash WB. It was still an awful classless remark regardless and apparently okay to make in this administration.

In contrast to the aforementioned examples of liberal fantasies of violence against Trump(so-called comedian Kathy Griffin holding up Trump's realistic severed head in effigy, the Hamilton play that lasted for months stabbing Trump to death onstage...), it's incredibly ironic how the media is reacting to a new video (of an edited movie scene where the protagonist shoots his way out of a church) where Trump's face is posted over the protagonist's face and Trump is shooting his way out of the church against a mob of his effigy critics, with CNN, Politico, HuffPost, NPR, Black Lives Matter, CNBC, etc. posted over their faces.

Here's the closest I could find to the complete unedited video (from French media), followed by the original movie scene it was edited from:

Une vidéo montrant Donald Trump mettant à mort les médias dans une église indigne - Le Huffington Post



As contrasted with the endless liberal media reports in U.S. media, that this is too terrible to show, we can only show you bits and pieces, or "screen-grabs" (whatever the hell that means) instead of the full video.

WH Trying To Distance Trump From Video Showing His Likeness Attacking News Media | NBC Nightly News Oct 14, 2019


"Too terrible to show"?
This was in a movie that millions of people paid to see, right?
A movie (Kingsman:The Secret Service, released in 2014) that still gets re-broadcast on television?
The only difference is the humor-intended Trump and media heads pasted over.
Ohhhhh, Ohhhh! This is terrible! Cover your eyes, hide the children!



But they had absolutely no problem showing Kathy Griffin's Trump severed head, or the on-stage stabbing of Trump in effigy every 30 minutes for weeks!

Gee why don't we trust the media?
They just set themselves up for parody with stuff like this. Like CNN "factchecking" a comedy skit on Saturday Night Live that was even slightly critical of Obama.

You left out that this was being shown at a Trump campaign event. Apparently the only people who didn't know it was being played there were the ones in charge of it. And they were snotty about the whole thing to boot. Yep we can all see a difference in how this gets handled by the two sides. Griffin actually paid a price and was held accountable by both sides. This we get snark and no accountability whatsoever.

You also left out that besides company logos there were also real people's faces used that the fake Trump was brutally murdering. Clinton, Sanders and Pelosi I believe were some of those depicted. Seeing Trump stab, shoot and kill his political rivals played at this Trump event without any people seeing it and reporting it to anyone in charge apparently. Or maybe people did and their just lying about not knowing. Or scarier yet nobody there really had an issue with it.

I've seen reports that the video was being shown on a tiny screen in the corner of one room as part of an art installation. It's not like it was being shown a jumbotron to the assembled coventioneers.

That being said, I agree with you that once the creator put real people's faces on some of the victims it crossed a line. Trump shooting a CNN logo is kind of funny in an over the top way. Trump stabbing Obama or shooting McCain is a very different thing.

While they may have not fully thought out how literally their humor could be interpreted by the Democrat/Left and complicit liberal media, it was clearly intended as humor. It was in the same vein as the doctored wrestling video two years or so ago, with a photoshopped Trump wrestling a photoshopped CNN-faced guy.

It was photoshopped from an actual Hollywood-release action film that no one had a problem with for 5 years, it's just hyperbolic and silly to have a liberal media freakout over someone photoshopping the same scene for humor purposes with Trump and media faces. It's essentially a video political cartoon, it's not like anyone is literally calling for attacks on Democrats or the media.



As opposed to Democrats, who actually are calling for literal attacks on Republicans:

Maxine Waters, "Create a crowd, push back them, let them know they're not welcome..."


Plenty of other examples, from Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, etc.

To say nothing of the Hollywwood celebs who constantly fantasize about killing Trump and other Republicans. These people are serious, that action-hero Trump video is not.

Even if it's not serious it crossed a line WB. Ask Kathy Griffin, literally a comedian who is still probably getting death threats for her stunt. If this had been reversed with it being at something like a Warren campaign event with Trump being murdered on a video I don't think you would be saying it wasn't serious.

AS I SAID, Biden, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters and others have already made comments that they would like to beat up, physically attack, or perhaps even imply killing Donald Trump. NOT as a joke, NOT in a humorous context.

I think the huge problem with Kathy Griffin is that her holding up a realistic severed bloody head of Donald Trump was never funny, I don't think even intended to be funny, it was an expression of pure hatred for Trump using her status as a celebrity, not as a comedian. AND she was working as a news commentator at the time for CNN.

You don't hold Democrat political leaders who have threatened or advocated violence against Trump or other Republicans to the same standard that you do Kathy Griffin or a silly spoof video.

WB you can't even say this is over the line. You're even trying to downplay it as humorous. Maybe you do see McCain and others being violently murdered by Trump as humorous but I really doubt it. I'm sure Kathy thought she was being funny when she did her photo holding Trump's severed head but even I wasn't willing to defend it. Like this it was over the line. Just pointing out you can always find a way to somehow not only defend something that was clearly wrong but also than cast judgement on the "other side".

Let me snap you back into reality, M E M. It's a clip from an action movie, clearly dubbed with Trump and media heads for comedic effect. Clearly a parody, using a clip from a well-known movie. If the movie itself is not offensive, how can the parody of it be offensive, except for hypersensitive liberals looking for any excuse to demonize Trump.

Democrats all laugh when David Letterman talks about knocking up Sarah Palin's then-teenage daughters.
Democrats laugh when Samantha Bee says of Melania Trump "Shut up you stupid cunt!", and give her a comedy award a few days later, with no firing, not even any reprimand or punishment.
You have no problem when Madonna says she wants to "burn down the White House."
You have no problem when Johnny Depp says: "It's been a long time since an actor assassinated a president, and maybe it's time."
You have no problem with the "Hamilton" play stabbing President Trump to death onstage in effigy nightly for months.
You have no problem with political leaders angrily saying they'd like to beat up, potentially kill, or otherwise violently attack President Trump, as I can pull up in the videotaped words of Joseph Biden, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters and many others. And inciting other Democrats to do so.

THESE serious calls for violence against a president and his staff you have no problem with, but you flip out and find offensive a parody video clearly intended for humor?

You may not find it funny, but it clearly was intended for humor effect, and not to incite violence. As opposed to 3 years of Democrat rhetoric that incites violence against Trump and his supporters, and has, and continues to, incite ACTUAL violence.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018...ump-supporters/

I think maybe your priorities are a bit out of whack, as is your selective outrage.

You're demonstrating selective outrage here. This is the reality. You continue to defend something that I wouldn't if it was reversed.

And the movie wasn't offensive to me. Changing the heads to Trump violently killing political rivals made it offensive. That it played at a Trump campaign event should bother you.

I posted a logical argument, citing multiple examples.

You responded with a label and demagogic talking point with no logic to back it up.
I condemn ACTUAL calls for violence.
I think a slightly edited scene from a movie turned into a joke about Trump doesn't even register as warranting the seriousness you give it. As I recall, you guys were equally outraged by the Trump/CNN/wrestling video two years ago. To MASK the vile indefensible behavior on your side, Democrats come up with talking points like what you're manufacturing here. Democrats have ACTUALLY called for Trump and Republican supporters to be harmed.

It's just like Trump is overseeing the strongest economy and the best economic performance in over 50 years, the lowest unemployment for just about every demographic, the greatest increase in wages. The lying Democrats and their P.R. wing the liberal media don't want to discuss that. So they manufacture fake outrage over piddly stuff like this.

And they call for impeachment of Trump based on a whistleblower report:
* from an anonymous person, but someone known to have loyalty to one of the 2020 Democrat candidates,
* a whisleblower known to have worked for Joseph Biden,
* who went to Adam Schiff's office who advised him how to cultivate the "whistleblower report" to do maximum damage to President Trump
* a report it took him 18 days to file
* a whistleblower report that neither the whistleblower or Adam Schiff disclosed was cultivated in Schiff's office, that they pointed the whistleblower to his lawyer (ANOTHER deep state CIA connected person)
* the proper procedure is to present a whistleblower report to representatives of both parties, but the Inspector General revealed that it was cultivated completely partisanly on the democrat side, and only when made public were Republican House intelligence committee members made aware, thereby instantly making it clear it was NOT a neutral report in pursuit of truth and transparency, but CLEARLY a partisan Democrat hit job, a smear campaign.
* a report that was just altered to allow 3rd-person hearsay instead of firsthand facts, very suspiciously by higher-ups in the CIA, and this allegation against the president is the VERY FIRST time a 3rd-person whistleblower report has been filed, a change signed off by Gina Haspel, who is vitriolic anti-Trump former CIA director John Brennan's handpicked replacement, as are her closest aides)
* Two staffers working for Rep. Adam Schiff previously worked with the CIA/whistleblower/rat/spy in the White House, and were hired in the last year by Schiff, ALSO undisclosed.
* All tying back to the same intelligence agencies (FBI, DOJ, CIA, DNI) that set up the Russia Hoax that dragged down Trump for over 2 years, that the Mueller Report finally made clear had no basis in reality. John Brennan is believed to be the architect of the Russiaa Hoax "insurance policy". And by just the oddest of coincidences the trail for the Ukraine Hoax and fake whistleblower report leads right back to Gina Haspel, his handpicked successor as director of the CIA. If I were Donald Trump, I would fire her and ner closest aides today.
* The second "whistleblower" (also anonymous) has no information, and is basically just repeating the allegations made by the first whistleblower/spy/rat. Another former CIA operative interviewed said that is another propaganda tactic they use, having another source with no new facts make what appears to be a fresh allegation, that really is just a repeating of the first, what he said in the field is termed "looping".

So... this is just another petty attack on Trump, with nothing solid to back it up. And next week, and the week after that, there will be another allegation and manufactured outrage, and another and aanother and another.

It's all Democrat theatre. Propped up by the DNC Newspeak on CNN, MSNBC, and the other liberal media networks.

That's a silly argument.

As G-man made clear, it was a small group of peole who shared it off in a room, not like it was part of the events by those who organized the campaign event. It's like if I was there and brought an offensive political cartoon and shared it with other event-goers. It's not part of the event, it's privately shared by a few people who happened to be there.

And by the way, you're deflecting from and not accounting for the ACTUAL calls for violence by Democrat leadership.

As I said in another topic, and Antifa Activist shot up and bombed an ICE facility in Oregon, and was shouting rhetoric that was almost word for word the rhetoric of Rep. Alexanda Ocasio-Cortez. And by the way, >>>>>NONE<<<<< of the Democrats, none, have condemned that or other Antifa attacks.
Get back to me about dangerous political rhetoric when they do.

From the French-language Youtube video, the only one that seems to play the entire Trump-parody video, this comment:



and




The CNN statement about this video is comparable to their "factchecking" a Saturday Night Live slit about Obama.

For which CNN again set themselves up for much ridicule.

The source of the video, vaguely identified as a viral video producer that goes by the pseudonym, TheGeekzTeam.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/be...g-more-n1066051


From a liberal media NBC News negative perspective, of course.

I remember the Kathy Griffin thing getting the same treatment. She was also fired for it. When you first brought this up did you know that the video showed Trump violently killing his political rivals in the video btw?

From TownHall, an article that cites online accounts from people who were there, that say the Trump/Kingsman video was virtually unseen by anyone who attended the event.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymea...erence-n2554658

Interesting (toward the end of the article) that the New York Times vastly exaggerated the video's visibility and significance to condemn the entire event as condoning violence, etc. But the New York Times posted an article fantasizing about shooting the president. Where an assassin aims at president Trump's back, pulls the trigger, and the gun misfires.
And then a Secret Service agent pulls out his gun, hands it to the assassin, and says "Here, use mine."
Ohhhhhhhh. Ooooohhhhh!!

Perhaps the New York Times writers making such a spectacle of the Trump video should direct a little of that outrage against themselves and their paper.

REPUBLICANS: Joking, parodies.
DEMOCRATS: Hyperventilating anger, serious actual threats, intimidation, actual violence.

Gee, one might expect Democrats to, y'know, get introspective and question their own motives and logic at this point.
But nope.
Not a chance.

Just by the by, I saw Rep. Matt Gaetz on Tucker Carlson about a month ago, and they played a recorded phone call to Gaetz's congressional office. The caller threatened that he could get Gaetz and shoot him any time, anywhere he went, he could fire a shot and "explode" Gaetz's "head from a mile away".
Gaetz handed the call over to FBI from whatever regional office, and the investigators said there wasn't enough to warrant a threat or investigation. They didn't even arrest the guy.
WHAT?!?
I'm sure the agents in charge of the investigation were Hillary Clinton voters. The mere threatening of a public official I'm sure is a jailable offense. At least enought to be perp-walked for a night in jail, to put the fear of Jesus in him.

But in any case, that's a serious threat. As opposed to a silly video of a movie scene, that almost no one where it was shown even watched it.

Also interesting, at the end of the TownHall article, they said the video that is getting publicity now has been out for about a year. Using an edited action scene from a movie made in 2014.

I would agree that type of threat is criminal. That however doesn't make the video somehow okay.

Absolutely.
I watched the video before I commented.
I posted the Youtube video of it here. Why would you think I haven't watched it.

Again, it's just silliness, it's not a made up fantasy of killing Dems. It's just a humorous photoshopped parody using the same scene from an action movie, presenting Trump as an action hero vanquishing his opponents.
It's utterly absurd to say the video promotes violence toward Dems or the news media. It's a joke, a parody.

As opposed to the serious calls for violence by Maxine Waters, Joseph Biden, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, etc., who have openly and seriously called for violence against Trump and Trump supporters.

And the ACTUAL violence against Trump and his supporters, and ICE, is a direct reflection of those serious DEMOCRAT calls for violence, intimidation and intolerance.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018...ump-supporters/

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-w...ion-tensions-ri

https://pjmedia.com/trending/aoc-silent-...on-ice-centers/

https://www.lifezette.com/2019/07/odd-sq...n-ice-facility/

And...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2019_Lincoln_Memorial_confrontation

I just wondered because you just mentioned the network logos and not the very real pictures of his political rivals.

And...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh_Supreme_Court_nomination#Sexual_assault_allegations


Because of incendiary Democrat rhetoric and calls to stop Kavanaugh at all costs, Brett Kavanaugh and his family will require round the clock protection every day for the rest of their lives.




And...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...ord/1371995002/

I posted a link to the video on Youtube (in French). What more proof do you need that I was familiar with the video. The French Youtube video is the only one that appears to show it in its entirety (about 45 seconds), and then shows the same unphotoshopped clip from the original movie.

"Oooohhhhh, ooohhhhhh! This is so terrible we can't even show it to you, we can only show you a few screen grabs!"
But all the killings of Trump in effigy you can show in their entirety over and over every 30 minutes on cable and nightly news, for weeks and months. Right.

AGAIN: Still waiting for that outrage over the DIRECT call for violence on Trump and his supporters by Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the maniacs on the Democrat/Left.
And quite a few Facebook and Twitter posts by journalists, some of whom have been fired or disciplined, most have not.

The movie the video clip was parodied from, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, has been on multiple times this week on FX (Direct TV, channel 248).


Pretty much the whole movie is like that 45 second clip. I watched about an hour of it over the weekend, and I see it's on again in just a few minutes, at 7 PM.

Again, I don't see it as that big a deal. The silliness of photoshopping of faces and news-group logos and Trump's face on the faces of movie characters doesn't make the clip any more violent than the original film. Just more hyperbole by Democrats, who in contrast to their selective outrage, never grow tired of seeing Trump killed in effigy a thousand different ways.

Rep. Scalise after Democrat asks for examples of Sanders supporters 'being bad':
'I can think of an example'

Bloomberg campaign: Vandalism at Tennessee office 'echoes language from the Sanders campaign and its supporters'



That's a lot of attacks, on a lot of offices. That matches Sanders' rhetoric, and really, the extreme intolerant rhetoric of pretty much the entire Democrat-Bolshevik party. Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters, take your pick. It's only AFTER incidents like this that Democrats pull back a bit, just the tiniest bit, from their violently intolerant and Bolshevik revolution-style rhetoric.

TRUMP SUPPORTERS REPORT ESCALATION IN POLITICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM




But it does seem like a very disproportionate ratio of the attacks are in one direction, on Republicans, not Democrats.

And it can persuasively be argued that has to do with the escalation of rhetoric from the Democrats that calls Republicans racists and nazis who cannot be tolerated, and openly incites violence against Republicans.
And likewise Democrat rhetoric against police.
And against ICE and Border Patrol.

It's not a coincidence that Democrat rhetoric against all these groups happens in unison with violent attacks on these same groups. In many cases repeating the rhetoric of the Democrats inciting them. As I've cited before, Antifa thug attacks on ICE compounds in Oregon and Texas both were shouting rhetoric that was verbatim that of public statements of Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.
Cortez, of course, had no comment, no apologies, no acknowledgement of her direct responssibility, and no calls to de-escalate either her party's rhetoric or the directly resultant violence.