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Imploding MAGA World Turns to Civil War, secession

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MAGA world has gone into total meltdown after the U.S. Supreme Court dismissed a bizarre Trump-endorsed lawsuit on Friday seeking to overturn the results of the presidential election.

Many of the president’s staunchest supporters believed that the Supreme Court, with its Trump-appointed justices, would eventually come to the president’s rescue in his failing election fraud crusade.

But, with their hopes crushed on Friday, “Stop the Steal” protesters spilled into D.C. streets shouting, “Destroy the GOP” and calling fellow conservatives like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk “subversives.”

Some of the wackiest sycophants took to Twitter and alt right-friendly app Parler to call for civil war or secession—all because their guy lost.

“If the Supreme Court can’t save our republic, then where is the military?” former Fox News pundits and unofficial Trump “advisers” Diamond & Silk tweeted Friday evening. “Trying to overthrow the Government by exploiting a Pandemic, thus implementing rules that break our election laws, is unconstitutional. If the DOJ and the FBI can’t do their jobs, then where is the military? This is a Coup!”

Oh my!
Yeah, this is crazy shit. Even crazier than you wanting to lock your political opponents up in Gulags. I don't endorse either.
Don't forget Limbaugh's craziness, too.

All that over Bunker Boy.
That would be crazy if it were true. Sadly you were supportive of what is driving these crazies. You showed me that if you could you would render my vote useless just to keep this loser in power. No gulag for you but I do hope the rest of the nation sees how close we came to losing free and fair elections and vote all of Trump’s little helpers out of office ASAP.
Originally Posted by MisterJLA
Don't forget Limbaugh's craziness, too.

All that over Bunker Boy.

Trump did give him something shiny.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ction-president-donald-trump/6488952002/

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Arizona GOP asks followers if they're willing to die in effort to overturn election results

The Arizona Republican Party has asked its followers if they are willing to die for the cause of overturning the presidential election results, eliciting alarm and criticism from within and outside the GOP.

The party's official Twitter account on Monday night shared a post from Ali Alexander, an activist with an organization called "Stop the Steal" that has protested election results.

"I am willing to give my life for this fight," Alexander wrote. When sharing his comment, the GOP asked followers: "He is. Are you?"

The party then posted a clip from the movie "Rambo", highlighting the quote: “This is what we do, who we are. Live for nothing, or die for something.”

Dying for Donnie Bone Spurs...fucking lunatics!

Texas GOP wants Texas to secede from the Union...

Republicans are complete nutters.
Of course, not a word from MEM on his Antifa buddies.

Originally Posted by MisterJLA
Republicans are complete nutters.

Heh! Says the guy who voted for Trump.
Note Pariah doesn’t offer any judgement here for the MAGA nutters. I have always opposed violence no matter the side btw.
Heh.

Diamond and Silk haven't been rioting, harassing, and raping in the streets. Asking for Military intervention to stop a coup--which is the exact same language that you use--is a plea for law enforcement rather than subverting the law via insurgency (see also: MEM's good friends, ANTIFA). So it's, like, the opposite of what you're saying it is. Again.
Again pariah ducks. No surprise from somebody that hopes trump steals the election.
There's nothing to duck.

I mean, have any of them set up an autonomous zone or firebombed houses or businesses?
Actually some right wingers were caught and arrested for killing cops and assisted in setting a police station on fire among other acts of vandalism during the Floyd protests. The calls for succession and civil war are okay?
Soros' drains his funds, while Alphabet soups are on the run, amid cries of "civil war",
Conservatives scream, as Antifa lives the dream, with Demmies beating at the door.

BLM runs rampant, setting up encampments, truly a peaceful bunch,
Evidence of fraud leaks, while mainstream media shrieks, Dominion's in quite a crunch.

"COVID!" cries the elites, as the lower rungs beseech, an eviction ordered of the masses,
Marxism makes its move, as if having something to prove, claiming to help the classes.

Trump stands in the way, causing the powers that be to fray, the left continues to flounder,
Biden remains demented, his Alzheimer's fate cemented, while MEM ingests Chinese chowder.



Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Actually some right wingers were caught and arrested for killing cops and assisted in setting a police station on fire among other acts of vandalism during the Floyd protests.


Sure JQ. And those guys who "conspired" to kidnap Whitmer were die hard Trump supporters.

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The calls for succession and civil war are okay?

Inferring criminality based on their opinions? And you deny that you invest in dogwhistles?

You're already aware that I'm of the opinion that every state has the right to succeed. If you think you can stress test me with that one, you're SOL.

Do I think it's a good idea at the moment? No. Because succession as a response to the fraud would be on China and Soros' terms. Best that the fraud is done being exposed before such a decision is made. Then attitudes will change....except for yours of course. You'll tow the line regardless of your chosen icons' level of corruption.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Actually some right wingers were caught and arrested for killing cops and assisted in setting a police station on fire among other acts of vandalism during the Floyd protests. The calls for succession and civil war are okay?

Pariah has been collecting an easy .gov paycheck for years. I can't see him being cool with 'Murica splintering. On the other hand, right-wing morons are calling for it.

Poor Pariah must be really torn up right now.
Man attacked for holding democratic campaign signs
Originally Posted by MisterJLA
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Actually some right wingers were caught and arrested for killing cops and assisted in setting a police station on fire among other acts of vandalism during the Floyd protests. The calls for succession and civil war are okay?

Pariah has been collecting an easy .gov paycheck for years. I can't see him being cool with 'Murica splintering. On the other hand, right-wing morons are calling for it.

Poor Pariah must be really torn up right now.

Yeah I always found that ironic that basically the government he hates is the one that pays and provides everything for him. Wish there was a way to trim off the folks like p who obviously would be happier in the private sector.
Pariah has stated his fears about cutting it in the private sector, which is why he has been collecting his .gov paycheck for so long.

It reminds me of G-man, and his irrational hatred of liberals...so he married a liberal.

Those two certainly are strange characters who contradict themselves on the most fundamental levels. Probably why they hate themselves so much.
It's getting awfully meta in here.

Perhaps I should give LOCH HEXEN a call so we can talk about unions if I start to feel cornered.
Originally Posted by Pariah
There's nothing to duck.

I mean, have any of them set up an autonomous zone or firebombed houses or businesses?

So, nothing to duck. You condemn those conservative rioters, just as you condemn the Antifa rioters?

"Yes" or "no" will do.
Originally Posted by First Amongst Daves
"Yes" or "no" will do.

Best of luck to you, Dave.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man

Are we going to play the game again we play every year where you take one or two examples of something bad that happens on the other side and extrapolate it to everyone who disagrees with you, while ignoring as many, if not more, examples on your side?

If you'd like, I can bump the now twelve-year-old "Rise of Right Wing Violence" thread where you were embarrassed over and over by examples of the left doing things you found terrible, if not murderous, on the right.
Originally Posted by the G-man
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Right-Wing Embrace Of Conspiracy Is 'Mass Radicalization,' Experts Warn

And for G-man I would note that doesn’t condone any examples that you or WB post that are not part of the rise of the radical right wing terrorism we’re witnessing This type of political violence is wrong no matter the side and hurts us all.

DEMOCRATS AND LIBERAL MEDIA IGNORE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD IN TRUMP/BIDEN ELECTION, TRY TO PRETEND THAT EVIDENCE DOESN'T EXIST


That Daily Beast "article" is more like a snarky liberal blog post by some high school kid, it doesn't present any facts. The people in the street saying "destroy the GOP" and railing on Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro could be liberals fronting as conservative protestors, to try and confuse and undermine conservative unity. That is the kind of vicious deceitful stuff the Democrat-Bolshevik party routinely does, and has been doing for years.
(I myself am a fan of Charlie Kirk, less so Ben Shapiro. And Kirk has recently been very critical of Fox News' joining the liberal media in declaring Joe Biden the winner since Nov 7th. I find it very hard to believe that any hardline conservative Trump supporters would trash Charlie Kirk. Ben Shapiro is more often critical of Trump, but still more conservative than Fox News, and at times a defender of Trump.)
The consistent deception and vicious slander tactics of Democrats:

EXAMPLE: Jennifer Palmieri, a Boshevik-progressive operative for Hillary Clinton, openly floated the idea in a videotaped interview of infiltrating the Catholic church with a "Catholic" front group of marxist progressives (as fake Catholics) who would, posing as devout Catholics, call for and pressure liberal-progressive change within the Catholic church, such as gay marriage and other "reforms", in blatant contradiction of biblical teachings.

EXAMPLE: Organized Democrat thug groups infiltrated Trump rallies in 2016, and posing as Trump supporters, initiated violent attacks to create the false image of Trump supporters as violent. They were exposed because Project Veritas interviewed one of the thug leaders, who openly bragged their violent attacks were pre-planned for exactly that slander of the Trump campaign, and bragged their violent activists were paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign for doing so, through a "double blind" of insulated payment through second and third parties. There is video of him boasting this, beyond any ability to deny it.

This is what the piece-of-shit Democrat-Bolshevik party does. Over and over. A party completely built on corruption, deception, and Bolshevik-communist tactics. As if they receive their marching orders directly from the Moscow Central Committee.
And more often recently, doing the direct bidding and repeating the talking points of the Chinese Communist Party. Joe Biden and Eric Swalwell are perfect examples.


If anyone is going to get violent after Jan 20th 2021, it's the BLM and Antifa mobs.
Mobs that were kept in check by President Trump's decisive and swift deployment of the National Guard to end Antifa/BLM violence, and a Trump who pressured Democrat governors to do so, or be usurped by decisive presidential action.
Under a hypothetical president Biden, these mobs would be given free reign to run wild, looting and burning cities, tearing down statues of our nation's founders and heroes. These BLM/Antifa groups are the ones who have vocally expressed their eagerness to unleash violence on anyone who opposes them, not conservatives. Unless these "Trump protestors" are identified, and the groups they represent identified, it is clear they are Democrat astro-turfed fake conservatives, planted to slander Trump supporters.
Originally Posted by the G-man
Yeah, this is crazy shit. Even crazier than you wanting to lock your political opponents up in Gulags. I don't endorse either.

Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
That would be crazy if it were true. Sadly you were supportive of what is driving these crazies. You showed me that if you could you would render my vote useless just to keep this loser in power. No gulag for you but I do hope the rest of the nation sees how close we came to losing free and fair elections and vote all of Trump’s little helpers out of office ASAP.

We already demonstrated that multiple prominent Democrats have called for putting Trump supporters in Gulags.


And it is not "stealing" your vote, M E M, to exclude clearly fraudulent Democrat votes, such as thoussands of votes by dead people, thousands of votes of unqualified out-of-state-people using false addresses, thousands that should have been disqualified by signature-matching, thousands of Democrats who deliberately double-voted, thousands of mail-in ballots requested in someone else's name and voting Democrat with that ballot that prevented tens of thousands of Republicans being able to vote in person on election day, and at least 20 or 30 other ways piece-of-shit Democrats orchestrated massive election fraud in favor of Biden.
Honest question WB, when your allegations can’t even pass muster with trump appointed judges why would you think I would believe them?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
That would be crazy if it were true. Sadly you were supportive of what is driving these crazies. You showed me that if you could you would render my vote useless just to keep this loser in power. No gulag for you but I do hope the rest of the nation sees how close we came to losing free and fair elections and vote all of Trump’s little helpers out of office ASAP.

lol lol lol

That is so polar opposite what actually happened. The Democrat-Bolshevik party is the one that regged the election on an unprecedented massive scale, the party of marxism and anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, the party of tearing down statues of our nation's founders, and plans to DESTROY our constitutional checks and balances: eliminating the Senate filibuster, making Puerto Rico and Washington DC states, just to stack the Senate with more Democrat Senators, wanting to abolish the Electoral College, wanting to stack the U S Supreme Court with liberal justices, and the lower courts as well. Wanting to take away Americans' 2nd Amendment rights to own guns and defend ourselves.

And ultimately, Democrats are the party that has weaponized the IRS, FBI, DOJ, CIA and other federal agencies against its political enemies. While abusing those same agencies to give a free pass and prevent investigation of their own, such as Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills, Houma Abedin, Lois Lerner, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priestap, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Kevin Clinesmith, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, James Brennan, James Clapper, Sally Yates, Loretta Lynch, Barack Obama, Susan Rice, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. All with clear evidence that warrants posecution, who somehow never see an FBI/DOJ indictment. But Trump officials are maliciously prosecuted, on far less evidence.


And it's really not funny, Democrats are undermining and oppose everything this country was built on.
If given power, Democrats have the hatred and fanaticism to carry out destruction of the Leninist, Maoist, Castro and Jacobinist revolutions that preceded this one. BLM and Antifa mobs in the summer marched in the streets carrying effigy severed heads and guillotines. And combined with their violent rhetoric, their hatred and violent intent is clear. They are not the saviors of our Constitutional republic, that are the destroyers of it. And the video clips I've posted and articles reporting THEIR OWN WORDS make that crystal clear.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Honest question WB, when your allegations can’t even pass muster with trump appointed judges why would you think I would believe them?


You know the answer.

These are intimidated judges who never even looked at the evidence. They are playing to the mob, in the hope that they will be spared in your party's Stalinist purge.

And I again point you to the rhetoric of Jennifer Rubin, Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Maxine Waters, Valerie Jarrett, Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala Harris, Cery Booker, and Barack Obama himself. They are planning a purge, and they are salivating at the opportunity.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Right-Wing Embrace Of Conspiracy Is 'Mass Radicalization,' Experts Warn

And for G-man I would note that doesn’t condone any examples that you or WB post that are not part of the rise of the radical right wing terrorism we’re witnessing This type of political violence is wrong no matter the side and hurts us all.


In other words, you know the truth of what we're saying, WITH EVIDENCE, but you sidestep past that truth with blinders on, and continue to support your party's Bolshevik revolution.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Note Pariah doesn’t offer any judgement here for the MAGA nutters. I have always opposed violence no matter the side btw.


What makes them "nutters" , M E M?


The fact that there is overwhelming evidence of massive election fraud, more than warrants Republicans' continued opposition to a rigged Biden win (many precincts having 100% or more voter turnout, more than there are voters!). Are we REALLY to believe Biden got 11 more votes than Barack Obama, millions more than Hillary, when he just stayed in his basement and didn't even campaign? Even now that Biden is the "president elect", no one shows up for his public appearances.

Or are we to believe Dominion's head of systems security Eric Coomer, who said in a video-conference Antifa call on Zoom, "Trump isn't going to win, I made fucking sure of that."
A guy who just happens to have travelled to set up the voting machine systems in all the battleground states.

An election where the will of the people has been usurped, that amounts to the same denial of representation that raised similar mass opposition to a tyrannical government in 1776.

These people are not crazy, they know if they don't speak up now, they are on the path to serfdom.
Speak up now, or after the leftist fanatics who fantasize about gulags for Republicans take away our guns?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Actually some right wingers were caught and arrested for killing cops and assisted in setting a police station on fire among other acts of vandalism during the Floyd protests. The calls for succession and civil war are okay?

We've been over this before.
A fringe group by a handful of anarchists who are labelled questionably as "right-wing", who probably hate the Republican party as much as they do the Democrats, who basically just wanted to make a name for themselves by creating violent chaos that appears on the national news. A handful of anarchists, who NO ONE in the Republican party supports or endorses. You strain to make a lying case for "right winger" violence, but it doesn't fit the facts.

As opposed to the calls for intimidation and violence from the very mainstream of the Democrat party: Maxine Waters, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and liberal media pundits and former cabinet members like Robert Reich, Paul Krugman, and Jennifer Rubin, calling for intimidation and violence of Trump supporters, and "crushing them so they never rise up again". A call that the Nazi Brownshirts of your party in BLM and Antifa eagerly answer the call for, on a massive national scale. and will only be more emboldened of Biden gains power.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy


DEMOCRATS AND LIBERAL MEDIA IGNORE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD IN TRUMP/BIDEN ELECTION, TRY TO PRETEND THAT EVIDENCE DOESN'T EXIST



That Daily Beast "article" is more like a snarky liberal blog post by some high school kid, it doesn't present any facts. The people in the street saying "destroy the GOP" and railing on Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro could be liberals fronting as conservative protestors, to try and confuse and undermine conservative unity. That is the kind of vicious deceitful stuff the Democrat-Bolshevik party routinely does, and has been doing for years.
(I myself am a fan of Charlie Kirk, less so Ben Shapiro. And Kirk has recently been very critical of Fox News' joining the liberal media in declaring Joe Biden the winner since Nov 7th. I find it very hard to believe that any hardline conservative Trump supporters would trash Charlie Kirk. Ben Shapiro is more often critical of Trump, but still more conservative than Fox News, and at times a defender of Trump.)
The consistent deception and vicious slander tactics of Democrats:

EXAMPLE: Jennifer Palmieri, a Boshevik-progressive operative for Hillary Clinton, openly floated the idea in a videotaped interview of infiltrating the Catholic church with a "Catholic" front group of marxist progressives (as fake Catholics) who would, posing as devout Catholics, call for and pressure liberal-progressive change within the Catholic church, such as gay marriage and other "reforms", in blatant contradiction of biblical teachings.

EXAMPLE: Organized Democrat thug groups infiltrated Trump rallies in 2016, and posing as Trump supporters, initiated violent attacks to create the false image of Trump supporters as violent. They were exposed because Project Veritas interviewed one of the thug leaders, who openly bragged their violent attacks were pre-planned for exactly that slander of the Trump campaign, and bragged their violent activists were paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign for doing so, through a "double blind" of insulated payment through second and third parties. There is video of him boasting this, beyond any ability to deny it.

This is what the piece-of-shit Democrat-Bolshevik party does. Over and over. A party completely built on corruption, deception, and Bolshevik-communist tactics. As if they receive their marching orders directly from the Moscow Central Committee.
And more often recently, doing the direct bidding and repeating the talking points of the Chinese Communist Party. Joe Biden and Eric Swalwell are perfect examples.


If anyone is going to get violent after Jan 20th 2021, it's the BLM and Antifa mobs.
Mobs that were kept in check by President Trump's decisive and swift deployment of the National Guard to end Antifa/BLM violence, and a Trump who pressured Democrat governors to do so, or be usurped by decisive presidential action.
Under a hypothetical president Biden, these mobs would be given free reign to run wild, looting and burning cities, tearing down statues of our nation's founders and heroes. These BLM/Antifa groups are the ones who have vocally expressed their eagerness to unleash violence on anyone who opposes them, not conservatives. Unless these "Trump protestors" are identified, and the groups they represent identified, it is clear they are Democrat astro-turfed fake conservatives, planted to slander Trump supporters.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Honest question WB, when your allegations can’t even pass muster with trump appointed judges why would you think I would believe them?


You know the answer.

These are intimidated judges who never even looked at the evidence. They are playing to the mob, in the hope that they will be spared in your party's Stalinist purge.

And I again point you to the rhetoric of Jennifer Rubin, Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Maxine Waters, Valerie Jarrett, Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala Harris, Cery Booker, and Barack Obama himself. They are planning a purge, and they are salivating at the opportunity.

No I don’t know the answer other than you just declared that they were intimidated. You seem to just make up reasons for reliable republicans that are not going along with Trump’s coup. Krebs that trump fired for saying the election was secure is now getting death threats. Does being fired and death threats sound intimidating to you?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Honest question WB, when your allegations can’t even pass muster with trump appointed judges why would you think I would believe them?


You know the answer.

These are intimidated judges who never even looked at the evidence. They are playing to the mob, in the hope that they will be spared in your party's Stalinist purge.

And I again point you to the rhetoric of Jennifer Rubin, Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Maxine Waters, Valerie Jarrett, Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala Harris, Cery Booker, and Barack Obama himself. They are planning a purge, and they are salivating at the opportunity.

No I don’t know the answer other than you just declared that they were intimidated. You seem to just make up reasons for reliable republicans that are not going along with Trump’s coup. Krebs that trump fired for saying the election was secure is now getting death threats. Does being fired and death threats sound intimidating to you?


There was an employee inside the U.S. Supreme Court who overheard chief justice John Roberts screaming at the other justices: "Do you want to be responsible for riots?!?"
Roberts is married to a liberal, and after many rulings in the Democrat favor over many years, many conservatives across those many years have said Roberts is intimidated by the Left and goes out of his way to avoid controversial cases and rulings.

That is equally true of many Republican Senators and Congessmembers. They feed at the same corporate/lobbyist trough as the Democrats, and the only ones I trust are the Tea Party/ Freedom Caucus wing, who are not sold out to the same machine. The rest look to which way the wind is blowing before they publicly state a position on an issue, and whether their financial backers will abandon them if they do the right thing. So they invariably don't.
I cited a book years ago, Obamanomics, by Timothy Carney, then-managing editor of the Washington Times, that laid out fairly impartially the machine that infests both parties, where Senators and Congressmen of both parties go in as regular people, and after a few years become wealthy, as do their relatives and children and staffers. As Joe Biden and John Kerry and the late John McCain and the Clintons and the Bushes are prime examples. As is Georgia governor Kemp's former chief of staff, who is now a lobbyist for Dominion voting systems. Just by the wildest coincidence.

But as David Horowitz said in his book The Shadow Party, while the globalists and marxists have hooks in and trade favors with members of both parties, the Democrat party is their chosen instrument to destroy the United States.
As in the example of Hillary Clinton signing off on giving Russia 20% of the U.S. uranium supply.
As in the example of the Clinton White House in the 1990's selling out to China in exchange for campaign donations.
As in the hundreds of millions that flowed from foreign nations to the Clinton Foundation, in exchange for foreign access to the Hillary Clinton-controlled U.S. State Department.

As in the example of Ted Kennedy going to the Russians and telling them not to negotiate with Reagan, saying that when Democrats won the election, they'd give the Russians a better deal.

As in Obama leaning over to Medvedev in 2012 when Obama thought the two were off-mike, and saying "This is my last election, I can be much more flexible after the election." To which Medvedev answered (EAGERLY!!): " I will transmit this information to Vladimir!"

As in the example of piece of shit Rep. Eric Swallwell , and piece of shit Sen. Diane Feinstein both having Chinese spies working in their offices, FOR YEARS, and accusing Trump of "Russia collusion" and "treason", EVEN AS THEY THEMSELVES ENGAGED IN COLLUSION AND TREASON WITH OUR NATION'S ENEMIES, and richly profiting from that treason. (DIane Feinstein's chief of staff, again by the wildest coincidence, is a large shareholder in Dominion voting systems. As is Nacy Pelosi's husband. )

Piece of shit Rep. Adam Schiff as well was caught in a recorded prank call that turned out to be two Russian radio show hosts, where Schiff thought he was talking to two Russian intelligence officials, getting "naked pictures of Donald Trump" and other promised "information" on Trump. Schiff wasn't actually colluding with Russians officials, BUT HE THOUGHT HE WAS, and was perfectly willing to do the very collusion and treason he accused Trump of doing.

"Collusion" which Trump was proven by 4 separate investigations not to have done, by the way. (1. a 9-month FBI counter-intelligence investigation, 2. a House intelligence committee investigation,
3. A Senate intelligence committee investigation, and 4. a Mueller appointed special investigation made up of 19 hyperpartisan Democrat lawyers who intensely despise Trump with an unlimited budget and authority to subpoena and investigate, and EVEN THEY could find no evidence to bring a case against Trump.)

So yes. You know the answer. It's overwhelming, the evidence of how corrupt your party is, and Biden and all I listed above are prime examples.
Heavily armed far right mob floods Oregon capital

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“We are now declaring this area a patriot autonomous zone. If Antifa can do it so can we,” one protester said over a bullhorn, before calling for help pulling down fences and tarps.

So much for being the party of law and order.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Heavily armed far right mob floods Oregon capital

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“We are now declaring this area a patriot autonomous zone. If Antifa can do it so can we,” one protester said over a bullhorn, before calling for help pulling down fences and tarps.

So much for being the party of law and order.


AGAIN: these are a few yokels on the fringe. This is not the position of Trump, the GOP leadership, or the stated advocacy of Republican Senate or House members.
Even at the grassroots level, Republicans are pushing their leaders to support the lawful ways to overturn a rigged election.


As compared with the Bolshevik rhetoric FOR FOUR YEARS from the likes of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Alexandra Ocasio Cortez and the squad wackjobs, Paul Krugman, Robert Reich, Jennifer Rubin, on and on. The core leadership of your vicious Bolshevik party.
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I think we’re past any of that g-man. Trumpers tried and showed how undemocratic they are and I don’t see that changing. Even right now there is a lawsuit by republicans that basically wants Pence to decide who won the election. Biden is going to have to just deal with the fact that your party is going to be hostile and as undemocratic as it can be. Hopefully voters reject that and we can continue to actually vote to decide who are president will be in the future.
Out of curiosity, where do you trump voters draw the line on overturning the election? Do you support the lawsuit that would effectively give a VP the power to decide who won? Do you also think it’s a good idea for house and senate republicans to contest the election on Jan 6th? Does it matter if the allegations of fraud are never proven?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Out of curiosity, where do you trump voters draw the line on overturning the election? Do you support the lawsuit that would effectively give a VP the power to decide who won? Do you also think it’s a good idea for house and senate republicans to contest the election on Jan 6th? Does it matter if the allegations of fraud are never proven?

If a Republican does it = good.

If a Democrat does it = bad.

Signed,

G-man and Pariah
Gohmert calls for street violence
I'm morbidly fascinated by the rhetorical conceit where democrats and their pet journalists are acting as if they didn't just spend 4 years establishing New Rules about litigating elections. I wonder if they believe it.
New rules established by owned journalists? What would those be? Any comment about Gohmert’s take on the VP deciding who won? That seems like a new rule to me. Do you think he deserves a good kick in the nuts for calling for street violence after losing in republican owned courts?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
New rules established by owned journalists? What would those be? Any comment about Gohmert’s take on the VP deciding who won? That seems like a new rule to me. Do you think he deserves a good kick in the nuts for calling for street violence after losing in republican owned courts?

Oh, please, don't be disingenuous. The day of Trump's inauguration you had the Pussy Hat crowed screaming "not my president" in the streets. You had Antifa and BLM rioters explicitly threatening violence if Biden didn't win for the last eight months (with Biden and Harris staffers bailing the rioters out) and the media thinking it was hunky dory. You had democrats and their media allies seriously arguing scenarios under which they could impeach Trump and Pence and somehow that would make Hillary president. You had four years of made up Russian collusion stories, local prosecutors and federal agents going after republicans and other efforts to weaponize law enforcement for political purposes. And, again, we all told this was perfectly normal.

And that's on top of Democrat/media conspiracy theories of Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr and Trump all stealing elections.

So, please stop pretending you don't know what "new rules" your side has been conjuring up for quite some time, especially when you spent the last for years personally espousing most of them.
I think we both know you’re the one being disingenuous here. I’ve enjoyed reading the conservative judges rulings, the numerous partisan election officials that are republicans that are not willing to lie for trump and all the elected republicans. Today there is audio of Trump asking election officials to “find” votes.
Originally Posted by the G-man
Democrats did it first. Sort of. I don't know. I hate myself for marrying a liberal.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Out of curiosity, where do you trump voters draw the line on overturning the election? Do you support the lawsuit that would effectively give a VP the power to decide who won? Do you also think it’s a good idea for house and senate republicans to contest the election on Jan 6th? Does it matter if the allegations of fraud are never proven?


I love how you try to make the president's legal and Constitutional options sound illegal. They ARE President Trump's legal options, that he has every right to pursue to the full extent of the law. Amazing how the treasonous Democrats illegally used the CIA, FBI, the FISA court and paid foreign agents (Fusion GPS, Perkins-Coie law firm, former MI-6 agent Christopher Steele, and a web of informants of his that included at least 2 known Russian intelligence agents, deliberately feeding Steele false information on Trump to undermine public confidence in our election system.
(That the Hillary Clinton and DNC PAID Russian agents CASH for, ACTUAL "Russia collusion")

For 4 years Democrats called Trump "illegitimate", refused to attend his inauguration, rioted in the streets, fabricated evidence for investigations they knew had no legitimate basis, where FBI and DOJ agents submitted deliberately false evidence to a federal FISA court, FISA warrants used to spy on the entire Trump campaign, and probably gave the information in their recordings of campaign strategy as opposition research to the Hillary Clinton campaign. Despite knowing there was no evidence in Aprril-May of 2017, the FBI and Mueller ivestigators deliberately prolonged the unwarranted investigations past the Nov 2018 mid-term and well into June-July of 2019, so as to manipulate the 2018 election as well. Democrats would probably not have a House majority now if not for that prolonged smear of the Republicans.

And then when the prolonged Mueller investigation had nothing and had to end in 2019, and the Mueller hearings destroyed what was left of his personal reputation, the CIA internally (no one knows who created the memo to change it, no one knows when Gina Haspel signed it) created a change in whistleblower rules so an anonymous CIA and/or NSC member could write an anonymous accusation against the president, to manufacture YET ANOTHER attempt to impeach president Trump. That alone should have warranted Gina Haspel's firing (that and the fact she was John Brennan's hand-picked replacement. Especially after the impeachment ended in February 2020, she and her closest aides (all Brennan people) should have been fired immediately.

Likewise, the whole time the impeachment was going on from Oct 2019-Feb 2020, the FBI was sitting on a laptop of incriminating evidence against Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, and the inner workings of THEIR "collusion", corruption and bullying influence on Ukraine.
EXACTLY what Trump was accused of doing!
The moment that was discovered, and really for 2 years of stonewalling before that, FBI director Christopher Wray should have been fired. For a long time before that, but at the latest, the day that Hunter Biden laptop was revealed, and that the FBI had been hiding it since Dec 2019, Christopher Wray and a lot of other FBI heads should have rolled.



And back to V P Pence, the powers Pence would exert were first exercised by Thomas Jefferson after the 1800 election, where as then-VP, the election ended in a tie, and then the House elected Jefferson president over Burr, after if I recall 36 ballots.
With similar contested elections in 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016, where a candidate won the electoral vote but not the popular vote.
And 1960, where Kennedy, the mafia, and Johnson rigged elections in Illinois and in Texas. I don't think many, if any, even contest that anymore.

I love how your side bitches and moans for 4 years, and uses every unlawful dirty trick in the book to overturn or cripple Trump's presidency. For 4 years! And then the Democrats have the audacity to say after 8 weeks, and really beginning the first week after, on Nov 7th, "Well, Trump and the Republicans should just give up, it's just unpatriotic and dividing the country."
And the last week or so, CNN is even fronting the lying talking point: "It's SEDITIONIST !"

No actually, what you evil bastards have been doing for FOUR YEARS is seditionist. China, Iran, Russia, North Korea, Al Qaida, ISIS, and the Mexican drug cartels must be laughing and slapping each other high-fives at the prospect of Biden becoming president. But the American people are terrified, and they know the election was stolen from them, that their safety in a dangerous world is now threatened. Even many who wanted Biden to win know that the numbers just don't add up. And because they don't add up, Democrats are fighting like hell to prevent a legitimate recount and full investigation. Democrats know they have plenty to hide.
Trump can also launch a nuclear attack. It doesn’t make it right. And his attempts to bully republicans to change election results might actually be illegal. It certainly isn’t ethical. Nor would you accept that behavior from democrat President. Trump clearly obstructed the Mueller investigation and passed out pardons to reward minions. He truly earned his impeachment. He’s like Hoover if only Hoover fucked up a response to a pandemic and did things that would have made Nixon blush.
Looks like there's a "mostly peaceful" assault on the Capitol going on right now.
MAGA terrorists stormed the US Capitol in a coup attempt.

Republicans, led by Donnie Bone Spurs, caused this.

"OwNIng THe LibZ" and all that.

What a strange cult.
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Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.

And none of those stormed and rioted in the Capital. Your point?
He's more angry at the "lIBeraLL MEEdia" than the traitors who stormed the Capitol.

Hence the name, "G shill".

He also hates his wife and daughters, but that's nothing new.
Well today the nation watched trumpers storm and vandalize the capital after trump incited the mob. That stench on a lot of republicans is going to stick to those like Hawley and Cruz. And yes those that participated in the riot need to be identified and be held legally accountable.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.

And none of those stormed and rioted in the Capital. Your point?

I guess you forget the BLM/Antifa protesters rioting and storming federal buildings in Oregon and the media rewriting their rules to justify it. Apparently you also forget the media wringing their hands about identifying the perpetrators and whining that posting their mug shots upended their lives.

The MSM spent the past four years working to
normalize and encourage this behavior and rewriting the rules of civil society when it suited their ideological goals. While the rioters today themselves bear ultimate responsibility for their own criminal behavior the MSM (along with the rest of the left) helped create this climate in which violence is considered legitimate political discourse.

And, of course, there's people like you stirring the pot by wanting to put members of the opposition party in gulags.
I wouldn’t even want you in a gulag g-man for wanting to steal an election. I’ll never forget your support of having republicans basically supplant their will over the will of the people and keep trump in power though. For those that stormed the capital however I do want to see them held legally accountable. Trump incited them but they are responsible for what they did.
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.

And none of those stormed and rioted in the Capital. Your point?

I guess you forget the BLM/Antifa protesters rioting and storming federal buildings in Oregon and the media rewriting their rules to justify it. Apparently you also forget the media wringing their hands about identifying the perpetrators and whining that posting their mug shots upended their lives.

The MSM spent the past four years working to
normalize and encourage this behavior and rewriting the rules of civil society when it suited their ideological goals. While the rioters today themselves bear ultimate responsibility for their own criminal behavior the MSM (along with the rest of the left) helped create this climate in which violence is considered legitimate political discourse.

And, of course, there's people like you stirring the pot by wanting to put members of the opposition party in gulags.


Yes.

If the circumstances were not so serious with a mob invasion of the Capitol building, the media's complete 180-degree reversal from previous coverage of mob violence (which CNN openly endorsed and rationalized), contrasted with what is now believed to be violent Trump protestors, that are for CNN reporters : "Just awful, I've never seen anything like this..."
Yeah, sure CNN.
Except ALL SUMMER LONG in cities nationwide, with Black Lives Matter and Antifa protests, where BLM mobs didn't just trash one building, but burned and destroyed HUNDREDS of businesses, in cities nationwide. As I cited at the time, over 500 businesses in Minneapolis alone. Likewise hundreds looted and destroyed New York City.
Without their liberal blinders on, these CNN reporters might see, y'know, WHOLE CITIES destroyed as worse than one building.

And I'm not convinced that these are Trump supporters, I've watched a lot of the video of it tonight, and they have the demeanor of BLM or Antifa, not patriotic conservatives. I watched Mo Brooks interviewed tonight on Stinchfield (Newsmax), and Brooks said way before this occurred, they had advance reports of Antifa planning to infiltrate Trump protest crowds in Washington DC toiday, pretending to be Trump protestors, and stir up exactly this kind of trouble to smear Trump supporters as violent. I don't see Trump supporters so gleefully wrecking Capitol chambers, and stealing House/Senate items as take-home prizes. That's more Antifa territory.

And that's exactly what Democrat thugs contracted by the Hillary Clinton campaign did in 2016, caught on video by Project Veritas, openly boasting exactly how they did it, and that they were paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign to do it, through what they laughingly bragged was "a double-wall" of plausible deniability". So they've done this kind of false-flag before on Trump supporters.

If the rioters do turn out to be Antifa members in disguise, wouldn't it be fun to see the contortions Jake Tapper and CNN twist themselves in, to rationalize what they just condemned as suddenly perfectly OK ?
CNN already gave us those kind of rationalizations, all summer long.

For example, Chris "Fredo" Cuomo: "Who ever said protests were supposed to be peaceful? That's the point!"

But they only feel that way when the Democrat/Left is doing the damage.

I don't condone violence as a way for Trump supporters or anyone else to make their point, and I doubt any Republican I know does. It's not our way. But that's also the point, that Democrats endorse it when their side does it, Republicans don't. I believe, like Charlottesville and dozens of other protest occasions, Democrats staged the violence, so the liberal media would talk about that, rather than the legitimate points Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz and Mo Brooks were making with their arguments on the House and Senate floor. Arguments CNN and the liberal media would have to air in primetime, arguments they have hidden coverage of for 2 months. This media re-direction at "right wing violence" is a convenient distraction, conveniently provided by mob violence that might not even be Trump supporters. Let's wait for the facts to come out, when these jerks are arrested and their Facebook and Twitter posts are made public.
WB just a tip, anyone storming and rioting the capital isn’t a patriotic conservative.
One of the rioters was just sworn in
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I wouldn’t even want you in a gulag g-man for wanting to steal an election. I’ll never forget your support of having republicans basically supplant their will over the will of the people and keep trump in power though. For those that stormed the capital however I do want to see them held legally accountable. Trump incited them but they are responsible for what they did.


There you go again.

The evidence all shows that it's YOUR SIDE, THE DEMOCRATS, who have rigged the election and are depriving Trump/Republican voters of their voice and rights:
Democrats creating tens of thousands of fake votes from proven dead people voting in every state,
Democrat votes from thousands illegal immigrants voting,
Democrats double-voting,
Democrats voting in multiple states,
Democrats coming in from out of state to vote illegally in another state.

In every one of the 6 contested states (Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvnia, Georgia) with just these easily proven fraudulent votes, there is more than enough Democrat fraudulent votes to turn all these states in Trump's favor by a huge margin. And that's not even considering the massive fraud from Dominion voting machine manipulation, across 30 states.

If only the laws were enforced.
If only the DOJ and FBI would investigate.
If only Democrat-partisan or intimidated judges would rule in favor of investigation and a legitimate recount.

Trump did not incite them, M E M. I still believe these clowns were Antifa pretending to be Trump rioters. We'll know in a few days.
But even assuming they are actual Trump supporters, it is your side that drove them to it, by cheating them on election day, and then depriving them of any outlet of dissent, appeal, investigation, or any avenue to redress/appeal government leadership or the courts.
They are not even permitted to discuss it on Facebook or Twitter!
Even authors and writers discussing the election or Covid-19 lockdowns often see their articles, books and websites locked down! Even the New York Post, the fourth largest-circulation newspaper in the United States, was completely locked down to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. And conservative publication sites like Breitbart, National Review, American Conservative, TownHall, DailyCaller, and Washington Times, have all seen their Google traffic drop to zero in the 12 months leading to the election, through deceitful algorithm filters that now exclude them from searches. Far from Trump inciting them, M E M, Trump is saying "Don't play into their hands."

So... you again prove yourself a lying propagandist fronting deceitful talking points for the Bolshevik-Democrat Left.
Bolshevik tactic # 1: accuse your opposition of doing exactly what you yourselves are doing.
I've posted extensive evidence of how your side rigged the election. All you have is a lying propaganda bumper-sticker slogan, with absolutely no facts to back it up.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
WB just a tip, anyone storming and rioting the capital isn’t a patriotic conservative.

Originally Posted by WB
I don't condone violence as a way for Trump supporters or anyone else to make their point, and I doubt any Republican I know does. It's not our way. But that's also the point, that Democrats endorse it when their side does it, Republicans don't. I believe, like Charlottesville and dozens of other protest occasions, Democrats staged the violence, so the liberal media would talk about that, rather than the legitimate points Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz and Mo Brooks were making with their arguments on the House and Senate floor. Arguments CNN and the liberal media would have to air in primetime, arguments they have hidden coverage of for 2 months. This media re-direction at "right wing violence" is a convenient distraction, conveniently provided by mob violence that might not even be Trump supporters. Let's wait for the facts to come out, when these jerks are arrested and their Facebook and Twitter posts are made public.


You're such a fucking liar, M E M.
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.

And none of those stormed and rioted in the Capital. Your point?

I guess you forget the BLM/Antifa protesters rioting and storming federal buildings in Oregon and the media rewriting their rules to justify it. Apparently you also forget the media wringing their hands about identifying the perpetrators and whining that posting their mug shots upended their lives.

The MSM spent the past four years working to
normalize and encourage this behavior and rewriting the rules of civil society when it suited their ideological goals. While the rioters today themselves bear ultimate responsibility for their own criminal behavior the MSM (along with the rest of the left) helped create this climate in which violence is considered legitimate political discourse.

And, of course, there's people like you stirring the pot by wanting to put members of the opposition party in gulags.

Liberals did it first.

Signed

G troll
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man

Originally Posted by from the article
“I want to assure you all that I did not have any negative interactions with law enforcement nor did I participate in any destruction that may have occurred,” he stated.
In the video, after Evans surges through the Capitol door, he tells a police officer, “God bless you sir. Nothing personal all right. We still respect you all right. Nothing personal against you.”
Evans, who appeared to be wearing a motorcycle helmet, then shouts at those around him, “No destruction of anything. No vandalizing property. No vandalizing. This is artifacts all right. No vandalizing.”

This could go in a lot of directions. It's possible he was part of a peaceful protest, and then tried to calm the crowd around him when it turned violent.

It could also be that he acted unlawfully as a willing participant. From what was captured on video, he was trying to stop others.
If I was in the same situation, part of a protest crowd that turned violent, I would immediately walk away, and call 911 to tell the police what was happening.

And certainly, the other WV Republican delegates quoted in the article didn't endorse the violence at the Capitol, and called for his suspension from the W V delegation until an investigation was completed.

So bottom line, nothing proven, wait for the facts, pending further investigation.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ederate-flag-capitol-riots-b1783995.html


Auschwitz hoodie, nooses and confederate flags on show during Capitol riots
Several racist symbols were seen amid the insurrection on Wednesday


As Trump supporters rioted in the US Capitol on Wednesday, members of the mob were seen carrying Confederate flags, while one man was pictured wearing a hoodie with “Camp Auschwitz” emblazoned on it.

A mob of thousands of pro-Trump rioters breached the Capitol during the confirmation of electoral college votes on Wednesday, putting a hold to the process to confirm President-elect Joe Biden’s victory for several hours.

The House was evacuated as numerous politicians and staff members were forced to barricade themselves in offices to hide from the rioters, some of whom were carrying guns and other weapons.

The rioters breached the Capitol after attending a rally from Mr Trump, where he incited the insurrection with a speech, saying: “We're going to walk down to the Capitol” and adding: “You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”


As the events were captured in the Capitol on Wednesday, a picture taken by photographer Mike Theiler circulated on social media, which showed a rioter carrying a Confederate flag through the halls.


Stanford professor Sam Wineburg noted in a post on Twitter that the image was the first time in US history that a Confederate flag had been publicly carried in the halls of the Capitol.

Images shared by The Washington Post reporter Rebecca Tan also showed a Confederate flag being raised outside the Capitol by a number of rioters, as several other people were seen carrying the flags.

The last time the US Capitol was breached to the scale of Wednesday was back in 1814, during wartime.

They are very fine people, I love them.

Signed,

Donnie Bone Spurs.
One guy lost his job after wearing his work badge while storming the capital. These people that broke in need to pay more than that.
US capital police officer has died following pro-trump riot
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html

Six Republican lawmakers among rioters terrorists as police release photos of wanted

Suspects include Holocaust deniers, White supremacists, and conspiracy theorists.

Must be antifa plants.

rolleyes
BLM-LINKED ACTIVIST FOUND INSIDE CAPITOL BUILDING DURING VIOLENCE


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OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 2:50 PM PT – Thursday, January 7, 2021

A prominent member of ‘Insurrection USA,’ which is reportedly aligned with ‘Black Lives Matter,’ was found to have been among the protesters who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday.

John Sullivan of Utah admitted he was inside the Capitol following its takeover, but he claimed he was only “reporting” from the scene.

  • “Those protesters, they got angry and they busted through those officers really quickly,” Sullivan said of the attack on the Capitol. “You could really freely move around, you could go in any room and look out the window, so it’s pretty surreal to see.”


    Because ANTIFA was only there to document! Honest! https://t.co/voBmviQ1kK

    — Chanel Rion OAN (@ChanelRion) January 7, 2021




However, reports found Sullivan was previously making threats against President Trump and his supporters, which suggests clashes at the Capitol were a possible Antifa provocation.


  • Meet BLM criminal John Sullivan was arrested for threats and violence against conservatives in Utah!

    John was interviewed on CNN about the film he took inside the CAPITOL of Ashli Babbit lying in a pool of blood dying – WHY was he there?

    Listen to John threaten Trump & Violence pic.twitter.com/uAVM6y1NxT

    — Amy Mek (@AmyMek) January 7, 2021




According to further reports, Sullivan was arrested during BLM riots in Salt Lake City last year. He was arrested for felony rioting, criminal mischief and threats of violence. Sullivan has also called for attacks on government institutions, which raises many questions in connection to his presence at the Capitol Hill protest.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) in an OAN interview said that Capitol Hill police on Tuesday night told him, a full day before the protest on Wednesday, that the officers were alerted to planned attacks by Antifa, disguised as Trump supporters and wearing pro-Trump signs and clothing.

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) has cited the same sourced advanced reports he was advised of by Capitol police, before the day of the violence.

The catalyst on the day of the event (as reported on OAN and on Newsmax) is that word got out to the crowd of pro-Trump protesters outside, that Vice President Pence was betraying what he was supposed to do on the House floor, and not giving the legislators of contested states the opportunity to publicly debate for several days before selecting delegates, allowing Republican legislators to present to the American public evidence that has been suppressed by the news media and social media giants. Pence cut short that legal procedure, arguably unlawfully. And at that point, alerted to this, some of the crowd moved toward the capitol to voice protest. A small group of somewhere between 100 and several hundred, passed multiple Capitol police guard perimiters, without resistance, and then rushed the Capitol police inside the Capitol.
While the (leftist and pro-Democrat) news media as a whole are going with a narrative that it is Trump supporters who did this violence and vandalism inside the Capitol, the evidence still indicates that most or all of the violence is by Antifa and BLM.

I will not believe it is Trump protestors who did it until all the participants are revealed from their arrest records, or from face-recognition technology or reported by their images and posts on social media.
If they were identified as Trump supporters, liberal media would have led every broadcast with their images and records and Facebook/Twitter posts. The fact that it's been two days now, and they have NOT been identified, tells me that the news media and Democrat-controlled police investigating DON'T WANT them identified, because it doesn't support their anti-Trump narrative.



Trump supporters don't get in the faces of police, scream taunts and racial epithets at police. But these particular "Trump protestors" did. Trump protestors consistently have great respect for police and our military.
Trump supporters don't smash windows and commit other acts of vandalism, looting, and take trophies.
I've also never seen Trump supporters waving Confederate flags or manifesting anti-Semitism. That is the exclusive realm of leftist Democrats such as Rep. Ilhan Omar and Rep. Rashida Tlaaib.

Trump supporters have never before done these kind of acts or violently attacked police. The only other time this occurred before was in 2016, when it turned out (thanks again to Project Veritas) that it WASN'T Trump supporters, it was paid Hillary Clinton thugs, who openly boasted on video they were paid by the Clinton campaign through a "double wall" of deniability.



FULL CONTEXT: There were at least 45,000 pro-Trump protestors gathered outside the Capitol, and of those only 100 to 200 breached the Capitol, and of those, less than 5 were armed. Contrast that to any one of the **HUNDREDS** of cities nationwide that were burned and looted over the last year, courtesy of BLM and Antifa.
And it is yet to be proven that it was Trump protestors that initiated the breach of the Capitol. There is absolutely no question these **HUNDREDS** of cities, block after block of businesses, all over the U.S., for MONTHS, were the work of BLM and Antifa.

MORE FULL CONTEXT: A few months ago when there was an ACTUAL insurgency in Washington DC, where there was a literal seige on the White House and over 50 police and Secret Service agents were seriously injured over several days, where a mob of protestors used a metal saw to cut through the White House fence (on video), where they used hammers to break up sidewalks into large rocks to throw at Secret Service and police, where BLM/Antifa **BURNED A HISTORIC CHURCH** directly across the street from the White House, where the president was taken away by Secret Service because they felt there was a serious potential for rioters to overthrow the White House, Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser condemned the White House for being too forceful in repelling the protestors with non-lethal pepper spray, when clearly violent protestors ignored orders to disburse for curfew, AMID A SEIGE, and then Bowser RE-NAMED A PARK "BLACK LIVES MATTER PLAZA", PAINTING BLM IN GIANT LETTERS IN HONOR OF THE INSURGENTS !!!!!!

The ironies just pile up in sedimentary layers.

Democrats are marxist America-hating pieces of shit, and are hell-bent on destroying this country. And then they have the audacity to accuse patriots trying to preserve it of "insurrection". Whoever the rioters were in the Capitol, they should be prosecuted and punished. But the tens of thousands of other ACTUAL Trump supporters peacefully protesting, the 74,223,251 counted on November 3rd nationwide, are absolutely NOT "insurrectionists".
Despite the left and liberal media's best attempts to smear them that way.
Brian Sicknick, Hero Officer Killed by MAGA Mob

Trump called these people great patriots and said he loved them. This blood is on his hands and those that willingly enabled his lies. Anyone that broke into the capital needs to be hunted down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Brian Sicknick, Hero Officer Killed by MAGA Mob

Trump called these people great patriots and said he loved them. This blood is on his hands and those that willingly enabled his lies. Anyone that broke into the capital needs to be hunted down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


Agaain, you're SUCH a fucking liar, M E M.

Did Trump AT ANY POINT tell Trump supporters to commit ANY kind of violence? NO !
Did Trump at any point tell people to invade the Captol building and attack police. Again, NO !
Did Trump tell anyone to injure or kill a police officer, or did he praise the people who did it? NO, and NO !

In point of fact, Trump made clear at all points that he and his supporters were and are about LAWFULLY challenging a corrupt and unjust election, through the LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL methods of appeal available to them. And legislators and judges are denying them those rights, because they know Democrats, BLM, and Antifa **WILL** come after legislators and judges just for following the law (as we saw with Sen. Josh Hawley's home and his wife and child a few days ago, to intimidate Hawley and other legislators from doing the legal and right thing, on the eve of the Jan 6th electoral count in the Capitol). Whereas Republicans follow the law.

Show me where it is proven exactly who injured this police officer, with injuries that made him later die in the hospital. You cannot prove it was a Trump supporter. I would lay money down it was an Antifa member, PRETENDING to be a Trump supporter. There are videos of "Trump supporters" attempting to smash Capitol building windows, and the ACTUAL Trump supporters grab him and pull him away, with a woman screaming "Stop him, he not one of us, he's Antifa!"

They are Bolsheviks trying to create a narrative. And YOU are a Bolshevik trying to FEED that narrative. Against the facts.

AGAIN: there is no history of Trump supporters rioting or commiting violence. They even clean up the trash after their protests !
AGAIN: There is a long history of Democrat/Antifa/BLM looting, burning, rioting on a massive scale in hundreds of cities nationwide. Killing dozens of people of all colors, including police. Injuring over 2,000 police nationwide, across over 6 months of destruction, THAT NO DEMOCRAT, NOT PELOSI, NOT SCHUMER, NOT BIDEN, NOT KAMALA HARRIS EVER CONDEMNED ! And there's plently of video of Kamala Harris and others OPENLY ENDORSING that violence, saying They're going to keep doing it, keep up the pressure, right up to election day, it won't stop, it SHOULDN'T stop.


In contrast to that, Trump made several speeches before the violence Jan 6th and after, urging protest, pursuing our legal options to overturn an unjust election, and respecting "our great law enforcement officers". But because of the propagandists on the Left, you can't see that on Facebook or Twitter, because they blocked Trump's accounts. You can only see it on conservative news networks and sites, because liberal news media is suppressing the truth, to front their lying narrative that Trump "incited violence".

It's a lie. YOU'RE a liar for fronting it.
Trump incited the maga mob WB. Are you disputing that he didn’t call the rioting mob great patriots and that he loved them?
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West Virginia lawmaker Derrick Evans faces federal charges in Capitol siege

A West Virginia state lawmaker who filmed himself storming into the U.S. Capitol along with a mob of supporters of President Donald Trump is now facing federal charges, the U.S. District Attorney's office for the District of Columbia said Friday.


West Virginia State Delegate Derrick Evans is charged with entering a restricted area, Ken Kohl, principal assistant U.S. Attorney for D.C., said on a press call.

Evans is among 15 people who have been charged at the federal level so far, including an Arkansas man who was photographed with his feet up on a desk in the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and another man found with 11 Molotov cocktails along with an assault rifle and two handguns in his Alabama-registered truck. The U.S. Attorney's office has charged 40 others in D.C. Superior Court, officials say.

Just another patriot who was exercising his right to protest...

lol
Here is one of the MAGA terrorists with zip ties.

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1346977323086729218

Maybe the redneck was going to going to hang some Christmas lights or something?
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https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/streamer-baked-alaska-stormed-capitol-with-covid-19/

Far-right streamer ‘Baked Alaska’ stormed Capitol while COVID-19-positive

One of the rioters who stormed the US Capitol building is a far-right livestreamer who recently tested positive for the coronavirus — and was seen in the mob without a mask, according to reports Thursday.

Tim Gionet, a white nationalist troll known as Baked Alaska, streamed more than 20 minutes of his breach inside the building — at times wearing no mask — as terrified lawmakers were rushed to safety, according to Business Insider.

During his livestream, on the blockchain service DLive, Gionet interviewed other rioters, hinted that he planned to sleep inside a lawmaker’s office and use a desk phone to call President Trump, the outlet reported.

Gionet was also recorded maskless in the crowd outside the building — just days after he posted a video Monday about testing positive for COVID-19, The Daily Dot reported.

In the video, the far-right troll says he contracted the virus from a bar bouncer and plans to sue the establishment.

It's the media's fault for recording his face...eh, I got nothing.

G- I hate my family man.
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https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/video-shows-capitol-police-cop-getting-crushed-by-protesters/

Horrifying video shows Capitol cop getting crushed by Trump supporters

Shocking video from the DC riots shows a bloodied police officer screaming for help as he’s crushed by protesters inside the Capitol building.

The young officer, who appears to be a member of the Capitol Police Department, is pinned between a riot shield and metal door.

He is bleeding from the mouth as he cries out in pain and screams, “Help!”

The disturbing footage was taken shortly after dozens of frenzied President Trump supporters stormed an entrance on the west side of the Capitol building — snatching a police riot shield and using batons to whack the line of riot gear-clad officers as they struggle to push back the crowd.

The video shows police shooting pepper spray at the mob.

The crowd then bands together to push back against the officers’ riot shields while screaming, “Heave ho!”

The angry throng of protesters breached multiple points of the Capitol building on Wednesday.

The MAGA terrorists were just showing their love for the boys in blue.
And while they were storming the capital that was unprepared for some reason what was Trump doing?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
And while they were storming the capital that was unprepared for some reason what was Trump doing?

I'm glad you asked!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/poli...-trump-misdialed-capitol-riot/index.html

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Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani both mistakenly made calls to Republican Sen. Mike Lee as deadly riots were unfolding at the US Capitol earlier this week, a spokesman for the senator confirmed to CNN -- calls that were intended for another GOP senator the White House was frantically trying to convince to delay the counting of Electoral College votes.

Lee's spokesman said the calls from Trump and his attorney were intended for Sen. Tommy Tuberville, a newly elected Republican from Alabama.

The effort by the White House to get Tuberville to delay certification of the votes provides insight into the President's thinking and priorities as a mob of his supporters lay siege to the iconic building. As the President worked to convince Tuberville to delay the process, he and other top White House officials did little to check in on Vice President Mike Pence while he and members of his family were inside the breached Capitol, a source close to the vice president told CNN.

Trump first called the personal cell phone of Lee, a Utah Republican, shortly after 2 p.m. ET. At that time the senators had been evacuated from the Senate floor and were in a temporary holding room, as a pro-Trump mob began breaching the Capitol.

Lee picked up the phone and Trump identified himself, and it became clear he was looking for Tuberville and had been given the wrong number. Lee, keeping the President on hold, went to find his colleague and handed Tuberville his phone, telling him the President was on the line and had been trying to reach him.
Until the person or persons who injured the officer (who died hours later at the hospital of his injuries) are specifically identified as Trump supporters, identified by name, and their social media posts identify their ideology, it remains unproven that the officer was killed "by Trump supporters".

The fact is, the only person who is proven to have been shot and killed in the Capitol that day is Ashli Babbitt, a 35-year old retired female air force veteran, who was UNARMED when shot by Capitol police.
The other 3 who died were also identified after death as Trump supporters, but as disclosed, they died from "medical emergencies", strokes, heart attacks and died during CPR, not from injuries or gunfire.


The only violent plan proven to be "Trump supporters" so far is the plot to abduct Governor Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan, by a fringe group of Satanists who identify as Trump supporters, but clearly no Trump supporter outside their rural Michigan cult would endorse or support what they did.

EVEN IF any of the "Trump supporters" who raided the capitol building turn out to be ACTUAL Trump supporters, they are a tiny group who do not represent the overwhelming majority of Trump supporters (over 100,000 at the outside demonstrations in Washington that day, and over 74 million Trump supporters nationwide.) Who are being maliciously smeared to be "violent" despite that it is clear we overwhelmingly have enormous respect for police and the military, and for the rule of law. News reports said that of the up to 200 or so protesters who entered the Capitol building, only about 25 were involved in violent clashes with police. And they have NOT been identified, or their political affiliations revealed. Which again, I find rather suspect, after more than 48 hours now. If they were Trump supporters, their names and Twitter and Facebook posts would be all over CNN and other liberal media right now. The fact that they're not identified indicates to me it doesn't fit the narrative they want to sell. Beyond those 35 or 40, the others who entered the Capitol would only be charged with "criminal trespass" if caught.

AGAIN: Taunting officers defiantly, shouting obscenities and racial epithets at police, tricking police into chasing them so they can video-record police from multiple angles simultaneously, vandalism, taking trophies from the places they loot, and violent attacks on police, are ALL TYPICAL OF ANTIFA AND BLM, they are NOT typical of Trump supporters, Tea Party, or Republicans. And they have a history of violence under a false flag, pretending to be Trump supporters to commit violence during the 2016 campaign, as revealed ON VIDEO by Project Veritas to have been working for the Hillary Clinton campaign, paid for the violence under a "double wall" of deniability.
Well than be thankful that most of them didn’t conceal their identities and know they will be hunted down by the law, lose their jobs and be known for what they did to this country.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Well than be thankful that most of them didn’t conceal their identities and know they will be hunted down by the law, lose their jobs and be known for what they did to this country.

You need to learn the difference between "then" and "than".

And you seem to embrace the cancel-culture of getting people fired just for having a political opinion.
Many of the conservatives being fired just peacefully attended a Trump rally. Or were fired from a company or university just for posting on social media that they support Trump. You really think that's acceptable, to fire people just because they don't share your political views? That's a lot different from being involved in a violent crime. If you commit a crime, that's punished in a court of law. Now all of a sudden threatening someone's employment is a political weapon of the Left, to silence dissent.
What I said was meant to apply to those that broke into the capital. Unlike trump I do not “love” them and want them to pay for what they did.
Originally Posted by the G-man
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.

Something for you to cry to:

https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1233662#Post1233662
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-the-president/ar-BB1cCbSB?ocid=msedgdhp

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Newsweek

Shirtless Horned-Hat Rioter Tells FBI He Joined Capitol Riot 'at the Request of the President'


Shirtless Horned-Hat Rioter Tells FBI He Joined Capitol Riot 'at the Request of the President'

The shirtless rioter who was pictured storming the U.S. Capitol in an outfit of horns and fur has told the FBI that he came to Washington D.C. on Wednesday "at the request of the President."

You couldn't make this up if you tried...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
What I said was meant to apply to those that broke into the capital. Unlike trump I do not “love” them and want them to pay for what they did.


I don't believe Trump was referring to the violent protestors. As I've abundantly made clear, in video and photos, they have the look and demeanor of Antifa/BLM activists, DISGUISED as Trump supporters. Not ACTUAL Trump supporters.

And I even differentiate between the BLM/Antifa infiltrator violent actors, and the more dimwitted dupes who just followed them into the Capitol building, to take photos, wander around, and maybe swipe and take home some trophies. They're only guilty of criminal trespass.

So those would be covered in this part of Trump's statement :



Originally Posted by Originally Posted by President Donald J. Trump
I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt.

It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. [That last part talking about FBI, DOJ, the liberal media, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Google giving a free pass to Democrats and the political Left, such as BLM and Antifa. --WB]

I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.
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Speaking of theives stealing trophies, this guy was stealing Nancy Pelosi's speaker podium. That's as big as a human body! How in hell could you carry that out successfully past hundreds of Capitol police, and probably two miles to his car, without being stopped?

Yet another detail that doesn't pass the smell test.


At least this one was caught.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...rest-mugshot-after-u-s-capitol-protests/
Majority of domestic terror attacks committed by ‘white supremacists, violent far-right,’ says counterterrorism expert

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...orism-expert/ar-BB1cCTj9?ocid=uxbndlbing

In 2020, the “vast majority” of domestic terrorism acts were committed or motivated by “white supremacists or militias or other like-minded, violent, far-right entities,” counterrorism expert Seth Jones told Yahoo Finance.

“In the last few years, what we've seen is a significant increase in the number of individuals involved in what we call violent far-right, and to some degree, of smaller numbers, violent far-left terrorism,” Jones, the director of the Transnational Threats Project and senior adviser to the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), told Yahoo Finance Live, noting that Wednesday’s violent riots and breach of the Capitol were “certainly” terrorism.
639 ACTS OF MEDIA-APPROVED VIOLENCE AGAINST TRUMP SUPPORTERS

And that was only up through July 5, 2018.



Why would a federal official front the narrative that the right and Trump supporters are the real threat?

97% of DOJ EMPLOYEE DONATIONS WENT TO HILLARY CLINTON

Oh. Yeah.
That's why.

To quote FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith who was convicted of falsifying evidence, who texted "Vive le resistance!" to like-minded others Peter Strzok and Lisa Page while at work in the FBI. And looking at revealed texts by other FBI and DOJ leadership of Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priestap, Andrew Weissman, James Baker, Sally Yates, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, on and on, this is far from an isolated ideological Democrat bias by federal officials.
That bias extends to leadership of CIA (Brennan and Haspel and their lieutenant leaders), DNI (James Clapper), State Department, IRS, and other law enforcement and intelligence branches. While they should be looking for Russian, Chinese, Iranian and islamic attackers and foreign threats, they are instead using their resources to turn inwardly on the U.S., to spy on Trump and the Republicans.

As made so crystal clear over the last few weeks with the Solar Winds hacking of the entire U.S. cyber-infrastructure, the worst hack in U.S. history, right under their noses. And right after the head of CISA was fired by Trump, the guy who allowed the largest security hack in U.S. history by allowing infiltration of Solar Winds software updates to thousands of national security contractors, the exact same guy was hired as a private consultant for Solar Winds, right after !
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-a-grave-risk-to-the-federal-government/

What's wrong with this picture? That's hiring the wolf to protect the henhouse.

The same CISA official who fronted the Democrat narrative that the Nov 3 2020 election was "the most secure election in history".
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Brian Sicknick, Hero Officer Killed by MAGA Mob

Trump called these people great patriots and said he loved them. This blood is on his hands and those that willingly enabled his lies. Anyone that broke into the capital needs to be hunted down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


AGAIN: It's still not proven that it was a "Trump supporter" who killed this officer. There is still evidence that Antifa members infiltrated the protest, PRETENDING to be Trump supporters, to blame them for violence.
Capitol officers, private contract security specialists,field reporters, and Republican House and Senate members have all made public statements that police were alerted to these plans, or directly observed "Trump supporters" who didn't behave like Trump supporters, as they infiltrated and manipulated the crowds.

And even the Trump supporters caught doing other bad things are clearly NOT mainstream Trump supporters, and their bad acts are condemned, NOT supported, by other Trump supporters.

As compared to violence ALL YEAR LONG by BLM and Antifa, that was endorsed by other Democrats and the liberal media as "justified" violence.
And Chris Cuomo who said: "Who ever said protests were supposed to be peaceful?"
And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who said violence and intimidation "is how you get social change".
And VICE PRESIDENT ELECT KAMALA HARRIS who said the violence "Is continuing on through election day, it's not going to stop, and it SHOULDN'T stop."
And Maxine Waters.
And Cory Booker.
And Joe Biden.
The entire Democrat leadership and liberal media were 100% endorsing the BLM violence.

The hypocrisy of the liberal media and Democrat leadership falsely alleging Trump "incited" violence on Jan 6th is absolutely beyond the pale.
It’s all on tape WB and preserved for history.
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And sadly I think most people are expecting more right wing terrorism. Time to start using the rubber bullets and chemical agents on Trump mobs if they try anything like this again. Biden’s inauguration in particular is a concern.
Btw kudos to the black officer who lead the angry trump mob down a different hallway away from the elected officials. It gave them more time to escape the”peaceful protestors”.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It’s all on tape WB and preserved for history.
smile


Yes. Every self-incriminating Democrat action I mentioned. It all supports what I just said.
I've linked and posted many of those videos and their transcribed comments dozens of times.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
And sadly I think most people are expecting more right wing terrorism. Time to start using the rubber bullets and chemical agents on Trump mobs if they try anything like this again. Biden’s inauguration in particular is a concern.

That is the lying narrative your side is trying to sell.

Jack Posobiec of OAN, interviewed on their Weekly Briefing program Saturday, who has military and intelligence experience from before he became a field reporter for OAN, and has observed hundreds of Trump rallies, and rallies/protests nationwide of BLM and Antifa, said that when Trump made his comments to "go home in peace", the crowd of 100,000 Trump protesters immedeiately broke up and went home.

As contrasted with hundreds of Democrat, "occupy" or BLM or Antifa demonstrations he has covered, who NEVER respond to such appeals, and just move to other areas to clash with police, loot and burn cities.

Trump supporters respect the law and police, and don't support the fringe group who attacked the Capitol, whether they are Antifa or self-proclaimed Trump supporters. There are multiple videos of Trump supporters who stopped people smashing windows and other bad acts, and even identified them as Antifa and called on other Trump supporters nearby to stop them !

As compared with Democrat leaders, the liberal media, BLM and Antifa who openly endorse riots, violence and intimidation as "justified" and as "a lever for political reform "(Ocasio-Cortez), and "It will not stop, it SHOULDN'T stop." (KAMALA HARRIS).

You slander Trump and his followers without evidence, while selectively ignoring the ACTUAL proven violence on your side, and endorsement of it at the highest level by your vicious Bolshevik party and the liberal media.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Btw kudos to the black officer who lead the angry trump mob down a different hallway away from the elected officials. It gave them more time to escape the”peaceful protestors”.


You need to learn the difference between "led" and "lead".

The officer led them down another hallway. And while some of these Trump protestors (whether actual Trump supporters or Antifa infiltrators in false-flag disguise) did clash with police, there is plenty of video footage of protestors entering the Capitol building peacefully with officers standing right next to them and not making any effort to stop them. There's maybe 35 or 40 who violently clashed with police, and they have yet to be identified as Trump supporters.

The ones who tresspassed and took home trophies are not the same ones who were involved in violence.

In either group, you are slanderously using a few fringe actors to deceitfully say all Trump supporters support this, and are violent anarchists who attack and kill police.

WHERE DID YOU EVER CONDEMN BLM OT ANTIFA, WHO INJURED THOUSANDS OF POLICE NATIONWIDE, KILLED DOZENS, AND LOOTED AND BURNED WHOLE CITIES NATIONWIDE?!?

You are deceitfully and selectively trying to weaponize tragedy as a slander tool against Trump and his supporters.
Your deliberate misrepresentation is loathesome, M E M.
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Remember Cory Booker inciting violence? Tells leftists get up in the face of some congresspeople
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Rep. Waters on Trump administration: "Create a crowd, push back on them, Tell them they’re not welcome"


THAT is ACTUAL incitement of violence, M E M.
Kamala Harris on BLM violence: "It will not stop, it SHOULDN'T stop"


The Democrat-Bolshevik piece of shit who will soon be vice president!
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Rep. Ayanna Pressley, "there needs to be unrest in our streets as long as there's unrest in our lives"


Ayanna Pressley, advocating BLM violence natiowide in wake of the George Floyd death.
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BLM PROTESTS PART OF AGENDA FOR SOCIALIST REVOLUTION

The wolf of violent marxist revolution, hiding in the sheep's clothing of "justice" and "reform".



This isn't a "MAGA fantasy" of civil war, this is a years-long ongoing violent assault on our Constitutional republic by the Democrat-Left.
And Republicans just attempting to form some kind of defense against it.

The key word being DEFENSIVE Trump-conservative reaction, to an ACTUAL Democrat far-Left violent assault on our republic. BLM and Antifa Democrats, burning cities nationwide.
And an invasion of illegals in the millions across our southern border.
And that Democrat-Left and social media tech giants and liberal media are allied with China and Russia, in their attempts to undermine our sovereignty, national security, and crashing of our economy. Even as they accuse Trump of foreign collusion.
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G-man have you considered we have to imagine a BLM breaking into the capital but not with the extremists pro-trumpers? Maybe we can agree to start treating the pro-trumpers like the BLM now with lots of rubber bullets and chemical agents? Maybe you’ve avoided watching footage but cops were being beaten with American flags while the surrounding crowd sang the national anthem.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
G-man have you considered we have to imagine a BLM breaking into the capital but not with the extremists pro-trumpers? Maybe we can agree to start treating the pro-trumpers like the BLM now with lots of rubber bullets and chemical agents? Maybe you’ve avoided watching footage but cops were being beaten with American flags while the surrounding crowd sang the national anthem.

"Have to imagine..."?!?


BLM / ANTIFA'S 50-DAY SEIGE ON THE WHITE HOUSE, BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 17 2020

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ANTIFA and BLM have hidden under the statement “peaceful protests” when their demonstrations have been anything but. ANTIFA and BLM have found comrades in the Democratic party and the Media and they are refusing to call them out for what they clearly are-domestic terrorists.

Former CBS reporter Lara Logan found what they are actually planning: a 50-day siege of the White House. It will start on September 17th and go all through Election Day on November 3rd.

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    “We will lay siege to the White House. And we will sustain it for exactly fifty days. This is the #WhiteHouseSiege.”


The website for the group said, “#WhiteHouseSiege will electrify the U.S. election season — and it doesn’t stop there. Drawing wind from #MeToo, #BLM, #ExtinctionRebellion, and protests against Trump’s lethal bungling of coronavirus, we’ll inspire a global movement of systemic change — a Global Spring — a cultural heave towards a true world order.”

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    The position of Democrats as articulated by their nominee is that if Trump is re-elected violence in the street will continue. This is more than just an idle threat, it is a seditious conspiracy to subvert our government if Democrats lose the election. This is where we are.


Those are Democrat BLM and Antifa types planning violence on Twitter, by the way. I know how much you condemn when political groups plan violent attacks on social media sites like Parler.
Except, of course, when it's YOUR SIDE planning and actually committing violence, on a mass scale.

This siege is planning to radically take over the country and world. They are telling supports to “head to Lafayette Square with intelligence to match our spirits”. The website also says that they have hopes of keeping the protests peaceful, but say that it has become hard to do that seeing what is going on currently in the United States.

On the website they are asking for people to collaborate and brainstorm with them as they have the aims of sparking a revolution. Lara Logan said that travel plans have already begun. It is unknown who is funding this, but President Trump said that it is being investigated.

#WhiteHouseSeige !
WOW ! That sounds so peaceful !

#ExtinctionRebellion !
That doesn't sound at all violent or genocidal !



Instigators of the Occupy Movement Now Calling for 'Siege' of the White House


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While we are currently dealing with the radical BLM/Antifa chaos being wrought in various cities and towns around the country, prior to them there was an antecedent – Occupy.

Now it’s sort of important to understand that while in each new iteration of “leftist movement” while there are some new folks who come in with whatever the chief “cause” of the moment, there’s still the same general core of leftists that move from one “movement” to the next. So if you check many BLM folks, many of them were also involved in Occupy.

The “cause” of the moment is about getting new adherents, be it “evil billionaires” or “black lives.” But in the end the real underlying cause is always the same: it’s really all about pushing the country further to the radical left.

But the folks who were behind Occupy have something else in the works. Call it “Occupy 2.0” if you will.

You may not recall who was behind Occupy. I recall because I covered it extensively from the beginning when it came off of Anonymous discussion boards and then suddenly appeared in NYC. It was instigated by Adbusters, with initial boots on the ground from folks like Anonymous and various far left organizations. Then as now, the media didn’t write about the real nature of the folks behind it.

Adbusters is now calling for a siege of the White House, starting September 17. “We will lay siege to the White House. And we will sustain it for exactly fifty days,” they say on their website. “Are you ready for the revolution,” it asks.



Now the terminology is likely to get the attention of the Secret Service and other law enforcement who find words like “revolution” and “siege of the White House” more than a little concerning.

They claim they will have “tens of thousands” of folks streaming into Lafayette Square on that date the anniversary of Occupy. “Fifty days — September 17th to November 3rd…we’ll inspire a global movement of systemic change — a Global Spring — a cultural heave towards a new world order.”

The purpose here seems to be to completely paralyze the debate and create a crisis in the run up to the election, likely thinking the D.C. police wouldn’t unseat them. But they misjudge, they will be dealing with the feds, far more than just the D.C. police.

They already seem to have a couple of problems. Like first, just being able to count. September 17 to November 3 isn’t 50 days, it’s 48.

Then they haven’t even settled on a “demand” yet. They’re so incensed, yet they don’t even know what they want?
“What is our one demand? We want to collaborate with you — brainstorm tactics with you — spark a revolution with you. We need your voice of wisdom and expertise to pull off a radically democratic toneshift in our politics. If you would like to either contribute or just shoot the shit, drop us a line at blackspotcollective@adbusters.org,” they ask.

But they haven’t even gotten together with some of who they would need for boots on the ground.

Apparently, Twitter doesn’t have any problem with such an announcement either. They’re too busy busting the president for saying that children rarely get the Wuhan coronavirus.

Americans had a message for these characters. Just like with Occupy, this isn’t going to end well for them. Safe to say, they got badly ratioed for this.

For all the bravado, it didn't start well, and they initially pussed out.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julio...iege-suffers-first-day-set-back-n2576411

But they eventually did lay the "seige" that they promised...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clashes-white-house-protest-unrest

All they did was injure 50 secret service agents, burn a historic church right across the stret from the White House, cover the outside walls with graffiti, and break up a ssidewalk into rocks to throw at and injure police. And create enough of a threat that Secret Service urged President Trump to leave the White House and shelter him in the bunker created to protect from nucleat attack.

Nothing too serious. I think part of why Trump walked a day later across the street to the re-opened church is to force the media to show images of just how bad the destruction was to the White House and church, during BLM's "peaceful" seige.
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I'd forgotten, amid all the chaos of the last year, that the more destructive BLM / Antifa seige on the White House was back in late May 2020, that was more successful.

But regardless, M E M, your side has unleashed ****WAY***** more destruction on Washington DC, and on the entire country, than the Trump supporters ever will, or even plan to.



Secret Service agents wounded outside White House, car bombs feared; official says Trump was taken to bunker
Originally Posted by the G-man
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Verily and Amen.

It's funny cuz it's true !
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Biden in the real world denounced violence, looting and arsong-man. You guys now seem to realize the difference between peaceful protesters that attend a rally than those that than go and storm the capital. Some apparently with the plan of hunting down elected officials and executing them. I don’t think it’s sunk in with you guys that this attack on the capital by trumpers has changed things.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Biden in the real world denounced violence, looting and arsong-man. You guys now seem to realize the difference between peaceful protesters that attend a rally than those that than go and storm the capital. Some apparently with the plan of hunting down elected officials and executing them. I don’t think it’s sunk in with you guys that this attack on the capital by trumpers has changed things.

Not "Trumpers"...

LEFT-WING *ANTIFA* ACTIVIST CHARGED BY FBI, FOR INFILTRATING AND INCITING CAPITOL RIOTS, OPENLY GLOATING IN HIS OWN VIDEOS ABOUT *PRETENDING* TO BE TRUMP SUPPORTERS, TO FRAME TRUMP SUPPORTERS FOR VIOLENCE

It has been proven that these riots were PLANNED A MONTH BEFORE Trump gave his speech on Jan 6, and the violence that day began at 12:40 PM.
Trump began speaking at 12 noon, and did not finish speaking until 1:11 PM.
If his followers were "incited" by Trump's speech it would have taken them 45 minutes to walk from the White House where Trump was speaking, to the Capitol where the violence occurred.

In further irony, Parler was shut down allegedly because of allegations of "hate speech" on their website forum that incited violence. But the FBI's facts show the planning of these violent attacks occurred ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER *NOT* on Parler.
And yet Facebook and Twitter are up and running, and Parler is shut down.

What's changed is the Democrat/Left is in the process of creating their own "burning of the Reichstag" moment, and their own "Kristallnacht", to rationalize the shutdown of all dissenting conservative thought, under the veil of "Trump supporter violence", that is in truth Antifa planned and stoked violence. Unlike in 1933 and 1938 Germany, there is self-incriminating video and social media posts by the Antifa perpetrators, and I'm frankly surprised the Democrat-controlled FBI hasn't buried it to support the liberal media and the Democrat/Left's narrative. But I'm grateful the FBI are not so compromised as to do that yet.

And here's Biden's strong stance against violence:
"I wish we were both in high school so I could take him [Trump] behind the gym..."

If a buffoon like Biden ever took someone behind the gym, Biden is the one who probably ended up in the dirt, with an atomic wedgie.

Biden was also, during the last 8 months unable to ever criticize BLM riots, looting and burning cities nationwide, during the last 8 months. Neither Biden or the rest of your Democrat-Bolshevik party have been willing to criticize their brownshirt intimidation arm in either BLM or Antifa. Not one of them.
Looking at all who have been identified so far WB, yes it was trumpers that stormed the capital and vandalized it. There were also far right members participating in arson and some more cop killing at the Floyd protests too. The one guy from the left that was filming the trumpers isn’t going to make up for the huge mob of Trump voters that were came to the capital after Trump told them they had to fight like hell. And what exactly was Pence supposed to do on the 6th that would have been constitutional other than what he did? Trump lost and because he’s a pos he sent a mob to the capital that resulted in people getting killed. One cop killed another taking life afterwards. All because Trump wouldn’t accept the will of the people. And there may be even more besides his inciting the mob. Like I said I think you don’t realize the ramifications of what happened now that a far right mob did this to our capital. It’s like 9/11 but instead of foreign terrorists it was domestic with red MAGA hats.

And Biden made it a talking point that while peaceful protests are a right, the criminal acts were not. He even plans on increasing the number of cops in neighborhoods.


Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Looking at all who have been identified so far WB, yes it was trumpers that stormed the capital and vandalized it. There were also far right members participating in arson and some more cop killing at the Floyd protests too. The one guy from the left that was filming the trumpers isn’t going to make up for the huge mob of Trump voters that were came to the capital after Trump told them they had to fight like hell. And what exactly was Pence supposed to do on the 6th that would have been constitutional other than what he did? Trump lost and because he’s a pos he sent a mob to the capital that resulted in people getting killed. One cop killed another taking life afterwards. All because Trump wouldn’t accept the will of the people. And there may be even more besides his inciting the mob. Like I said I think you don’t realize the ramifications of what happened now that a far right mob did this to our capital. It’s like 9/11 but instead of foreign terrorists it was domestic with red MAGA hats.

And Biden made it a talking point that while peaceful protests are a right, the criminal acts were not. He even plans on increasing the number of cops in neighborhoods.



You're such a Bolshevik propagandist liar, M E M

. FBI ARRESTED ANTIFA MEMBER JOHN SULLIVAN. Sullivan is directly responsible for the only shooting of a civilian, Ashley Babbitt. SULLIVAN WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE, <<<CAUGHT ON VIDEO>>> TALKING TO THE OFFICERS, DELIBERATELY PANICKING THEM, WHILE ALSO (PRETENDING TO BE A TRUMP SUPPORTER) PUSHING TRUMP SUPPORTERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL TO SMASH THROUGH WINDOWS, SO POLICE WOULD SHOOT AT THEM!

The only other death that day was Capitol police officer Sicknick who had a fire hydrant thrown at him, whose attacker is presently unidentified. And again, Trump supporters are respecters of law enforcement, I think it far more likely that it was an Antifa infiltrator who did it. We'll have to wait and see for confirmation on that one.
But there were only two people killed, if both are killed by Antifa, the remaining Capitol "violence" doesn't rise to the level of what BLM typically has done in hundreds of cities nationwide in the last 8 months. One of the two deaths is clearly Antifa-caused. If the second one turnss out to be caused by an Antifa member as well, then your allegations against "Trump supporter violence" rings pretty hollow. If all the violence was by John Sullivan and his Antifa band of merry infiltrators, who PRETENDING TO BE A TRUMP SUPPORTER, solicited Trump supporters to smash a few windows and steal a few things from House Democrat offices they otherwise never would have done, then I would say this is entirely an Antifa event.

I don't see that any Trump supporters are being charged with more serious crimes than criminal trespass and some minor vandalism. The evidence, the VIDEO evidence, that Facebook and Twitter evidence, of the more serious crimes are all pointing to Antifa.
Originally Posted by MisterJLA


Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...

WB try watching this
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by MisterJLA


Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...

WB try watching this

Big frigging deal.
It was a 25-second video clip, he said he had clash with a protester, and then half-jokingly, laughing, said "It was my pleasure to take out a white nationalist insurrectionist." He DIDN'T say After investigating his criminal record and ssocial media posts he was PROVEN to be a white nationalist. All he did was make a snarky remark. And for him to assume that any Trump supporter, even one who clashes with police, is immediately assumed to be a white nationalist, says quite a bit. I'd assume he is a registered Democrat and voted for Biden, and has a contempt for Trump voters in general.

So ultimately, what does this 25-second video prove? Absolutely nothing.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by MisterJLA


Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...

WB try watching this

Big frigging deal.
It was a 25-second video clip, he said he had clash with a protester, and then half-jokingly, laughing, said "It was my pleasure to take out a white nationalist insurrectionist." He DIDN'T say After investigating his criminal record and ssocial media posts he was PROVEN to be a white nationalist. All he did was make a snarky remark. And for him to assume that any Trump supporter, even one who clashes with police, is immediately assumed to be a white nationalist, says quite a bit. I'd assume he is a registered Democrat and voted for Biden, and has a contempt for Trump voters in general.

So ultimately, what does this 25-second video prove? Absolutely nothing.

Just a tip WB, when someone who defended our capital says “they” don’t bother trying to lie and make it sound like one protester. Than again at this point you can’t be worried about being credible.
Originally Posted by M E M
Just a tip WB, when someone who defended our capital says “they” don’t bother trying to lie and make it sound like one protester. Than again at this point you can’t be worried about being credible.

He cited no facts, M E M. He just made a snarky remark. And you hold that up as gospel truth, based on absolutely no facts.

The stay at home "Mr Mom" crazy hippie-blogger Trump-supporter dad who stole Nancy Pelosi's podium was arrested, but never identified by FBI or police as a "white racist."

The guy who was arrested for sitting at Nancy Pelosi's desk was a Trump supporter, but while he got into some mischief(sat at Pelosi's desk and stole some of her personal letters) , was NOT identified as a racist or ideologically extreme. He even apologized and expressed embarassment about the shame he brought on his family to have done what he did.

So... I don't see where you have any superior claim on the facts, that they are proven "white supremacists", or even that the one guy this particular cop took out was seriously a white supremacist. I know literally thousands of Trump supporters, and I don't know one who is a "white supremacist" or radical, as you lyingly try to label every Trump supporter.

. The Christian lady from Texas who Mr JLA holds up as the "proof" that Trump "incited" people to riot in the Capitol (who was arrested basically just for trespassing, not for violence), was she a "white supremacist" ?

You're full of shit, M E M. Factless insinuation on your part.
I don’t consider every trump supporter a white nationalist. I also see a difference between the peaceful protesters that went to the rally that didn’t storm the Capital riot and those that did. A difference Trump didn’t use for the largely peaceful protesters from this last summer btw. Now everyone can see the threat pro-trump terrorists pose to our country and hopefully finally treat it like other terrorism.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I don’t consider every trump supporter a white nationalist. I also see a difference between the peaceful protesters that went to the rally that didn’t storm the Capital riot and those that did. A difference Trump didn’t use for the largely peaceful protesters from this last summer btw. Now everyone can see the threat pro-trump terrorists pose to our country and hopefully finally treat it like other terrorism.


The reason both Trump, myself and most conservatives don't make that distinction with the BLM protesters is because BLM protesters burned and looted HUNDREDS OF CITIES. For BLM in 275 cities nationwide, wasn't limited to just a few sections of one building as it was on Jan 6th. In your native Minneapolis, BLM burned and destroyed over 500 businesses in just that one city. Five entire miles of burned businesses! And in BLM's founding written charter, they clearly identify themselves as a Marxist organization dedicated to overthrow of the United States Government, and "destruction of the nuclear family" (one of the 3 "pillars of democracy" Cultural Marxists dedicate themselves to destroying: nationalism/patriotism, Christianity, and the traditional nuclear family, all 3 are centers of belief that interfere with marxist indoctrination).
Also, the Democrats and liberal media were very dismissive of the mass destruction by BLM, one CNN reporter Ari-what's-his-name stood with the whole horizon behind him on fire, and laughably said "mostly peaceful protests". Both Democrats and CNN/liberal media reporters, far from condemning the BLM violence, called it "justifiable". There's absolutely no sympathy from the same liberal Newspeak liars for the protesters on January 6th.

NO ONE on the conservative side is saying the Jan 6th attacks on police in the Capitol, whether the attackers are by BLM/Antifa infiltrators, or by actual Trump supporters, are in any way justified. And where Democrats were cheering on the BLM violence in cities nationwide ALL SUMMER LONG, Trump and other Republicans immediately called for a cessation of violence, and further , Trump said that no one initiating violence truly represents him.
Personally, I think Trump supporters lose their moral high ground by retaliating with the same violence as the Democrats, but I wish the Republicans would make a more vigorous legal opposition to the election. And when Republicans are limited to peaceful protest, while Democrats will kill or attack people who disagree with them, guess who's going to win. And when Republican leaders like Pence and other Republican senators like Lindsey Graham sell out their own side, betraying the will off those who (in Graham's case) just re-elected him to defend them(!!), it would take the wisdom of Solomon to figure out how to deal with that betrayal and get actual conservative representation for Graham's voters. Certainly not from Graham himself. That bastard promised his voters he'd stand up for them, got Trump's cvampaaign support, and weeks later folded in an embarassing display, and he gets away with it and enjoys another 6 years in power, for SELLING OUT his voters, just days after they voted for him. That should not be permitted.

I'm still not convinced that any Trump supporters actually wanted to kill Pelosi or Pence, and beyond someone's sayso, I don't see that there's any evidence of that. The only person deliberately killed was Ashli Babbitt, shot by a Capitol police officer, stoked into firing on her by BLM leader Jon Sullivan (who vidotaped the shooting!)

It's still not proven that officer Sicknick was killed by a Trump supporter.

But regardless, the scale of casualties is far lower than in any of the 275 cities with BLM protests, or during the BLM seige on the White House in late May 2020 by BLM that injured 50 Secret Service agents. For which Washington DC mayor Bowser re-named a park in the insurrectionsits' honor !
The Democrats' endorsement of that BLM violence, in cities nationwide, is so far beyond the pale, it's a joke to put this Capitol incident on the same scale, in any kind of a moral equivalency.
Most of the protesters for BLM didn’t burn and loot though WB. Nor did any of our democratic leaders call the arsonists and looters special people that they loved like Trump did with the mob he incited. He lost a fair election and because he’s willing to lie and try every way he can to overturn the election several people died including 2 officers. Our symbol of democracy vandalized for the world to see. Now there is intelligence that all 50 capitals could be under attack by pro-trump terrorists as well as the inauguration. The elected officials that had to scramble for their lives now have to worry more than ever about their lives.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Most of the protesters for BLM didn’t burn and loot though WB. Nor did any of our democratic leaders call the arsonists and looters special people that they loved like Trump did with the mob he incited. He lost a fair election and because he’s willing to lie and try every way he can to overturn the election several people died including 2 officers. Our symbol of democracy vandalized for the world to see. Now there is intelligence that all 50 capitals could be under attack by pro-trump terrorists as well as the inauguration. The elected officials that had to scramble for their lives now have to worry more than ever about their lives.

You are again twisting Trump's words to tailor it to fit your lying narrative.
Trump addressed his supporters, and advised them not to "play into the hands" of those orchestrating the violence. He was speaking to the OVER 100,000 peacefully demonstrating outside, and the 75 million watching nationwide, also betrayed and angry. Not to the 35 or 40 or so out of that 100,000 engaging in violence. And even appealing to the violent ones who support him to stop.

And you have a short memory. During the BLM protests over many months, Pelosi, Biden, Warren, ANY of the 25 Democrat primary candidates, not one of them condemned the violence, and many passively or directly endorsed it as some "justified" backlash at a racist white supremacist system. Which only encouraged more of it.
Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon nightly on CNN rationalized it.
"Who ever said protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful?" Cuomo famously rationalized. Well... THE FIRST AMENDMENT, actually, Chris.

These BLM /Antifa rioters were and are the Democrats' equivalent nazi-brownshirt thugs that intimidated away opposition to their political agenda, and Democrat Senators, Democrat House members, Demnocrat presidential primary candidates, or even former Democrat presidents or Democrat strategists, NEVER voiced criticism of the BLM violence at any time in 2020. Partly because these democrat leaders were intimidated by BLM as well, and didn't want the violence re-directed at them or their campaigns for getting in the way. The didn't want BLM or Antifa to reject any of them politically, and rally behind their Democrat rivals.


I will acknowledge this video, that shows a number of former highly-trained military who were among the protesters, a group calle Oath Keepers.

21 US Military Veterans Identified in Capitol Assault


But contrary to the narrative that they are traitors who used their training to betray their own country, I would argue that they are patriots who saw a marxist insurrection take over our government in the rigged Biden election, and used their training in a poorly thought out attempt to reverse an unfair election, in their minds to defend the republic. But the Left-aligned media and Democrat leadership just uses their actions to conflate the beliefs of Oath Keepers with those of Trump supporters, a narrative make the rest of us look bad, and these Oath Keepers guys should have seen that would be the media portrayal and never done it. One of them cited in the clip is a Lieutenant Colonel, many of them longtime soldiers decorated for their bravery, with special forces training. As was Ashli Babbitt.

You might ask yourself, M E M, why people this committed during their lives to fighting for this country, who clearly had position and a great deal to lose, would risk it in a move like this. These are very serious and highly trained people, Special Forces, decorated veterans. They saw an outrageous election coup, and an existential threat to the country they spent their lives fighting to defend. These are not defiant pranksters and iconoclasts and contemptuous malcontents like BLM vandal John Earle Sullivan, or like the stay-at-home blogger dad who stole Nancy Pelosi's podium, or like the 63 year old guy who posed for a photo with his feet up on Pelosi's desk. None of these individuals or the more serious veterans had the same shared ideology or motive for being there.

As this unfolds, I'm struck by the wide spectrum of motives for the people who were in the Capitol raid that day. While some profess to be Trump supporters, and some are false-flag Leftists just pretending to be Trump supporters to smear them, you definitely can't blame this on Trump's 12-noon speech. The planning of this raid, and the ideology behind it, doesn't fit into a nice neat "Orange Man Bad" category, and the timing of it doesn't coincide with Trump's speech. It precedes it, in both planning and execution. For the military guys, it was the election rigging, and not just the one November 3rd event, but that just apparently was a last straw that stirred them into action.
Trump’s claims of election fraud is a lie though. The rally before the riot was just part of the incitement since the election. Trump essentially radicalized a chunk of your party with lies that failed in the courts, recounts and even trying to get republican election officials to change vote totals.

And patriots don’t try to overthrow our government by force. There isn’t a part of the Constitution that makes that okay. It’s not a gray area WB. They betrayed this country for Trump.
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Lawyer Says ‘QAnon Shaman’ Should Get Pardon


at 1:45 :
"many of the people who were in DC on the day of the riot were reportedly on the FBI's terrorist screening database... a massive database of names flagged as national security risks."

Again indicating that these were not people triggered by anything Trump said. That they had long histories of violent radicalism, and that FBI and DHS knew about them, long before Jan 6th events.
And that FBI and DHS were warned in advance by NYPD and other sources, and just sat on their hands and let it happen. Why would they do this? I think for the same reason that Charlottesville could have been prevented in 2017, but police were ordered to stand down and let the two sides clash in 2017, to feed a "violent right wing racist Trump supporters" narrative. Letting it play out, despite that the recently fired/resigned Capitol police chief begged for thousands of national guard troops to back up police SIX TIMES in the days leading up to Jan 6th. Why? Because it would create the spectacle of "violent Trump supporters" that they wanted, to try and make Trump politically toxic to his own supporters.

But...

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/current_events/politics/prez_track_jan15
https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/01/10/trumps-approval-ratings-on-the-rise-poll-shows/

...Trump's support has actually risen since this Democrat/media narrative began. The public sees through the narrative blaming Trump, and they aren't buying it.

Also, 91% of Trump voters in November polled say they would vote for him again.
I think polling over all shows Trump has lost support although amongst his supporters it still remains high. It will be interesting to say the least as to what happens post trump with both parties.

The lack of being prepared for the pro-trump rioters does need to be thoroughly examined and answered for. It appears there was sufficient intel prior to the rally that more should have been prepared.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think polling over all shows Trump has lost support although amongst his supporters it still remains high. It will be interesting to say the least as to what happens post trump with both parties.

The lack of being prepared for the pro-trump rioters does need to be thoroughly examined and answered for. It appears there was sufficient intel prior to the rally that more should have been prepared.

I just showed you a poll (the same result shown by both Rasmussen and Gallup polls) that show Trump actually gained support.

Sorry you can't seem to acknowledge that.

I can agree with you that FBI and DHS were informed a month prior, and did nothing to stop the planned violence. (PLANNED A MONTH PRIOR, *NOT* "incited" by Trump. )
If there was deliberate negligence or conspiracy in letting that happen, I would point out that it follows the same pattern as the 2017 Charlottesville riots, where a Democrat mayor, and completely Democrat city council had the city police stand down, and a Democrat governor sent fully armored Virginia State Police to push the small group of white supremacists (about 200 white supremacists, out of about 2,000 non-racist pro-monument people total there, protesting only to keep the historic Robert E. Lee statue) pushing the supremacists off their separate advance-written-petitioned city-authorized protest zone, and VSP police pushed them with clubs right into the BLM mob, ORCHESTRATING violence. Because the Democrat leaders wanted violence to happen, to blame on white supremacists they could conflate with Trump and his supporters and have Democrat political leaders and the liberal media push that narrative on national news.

I would also point out that the events on January 6th int he Capitol protests likewise played politically into the hands of the Democrats. The events outside ultimately served the Democrats in two ways: 1) It shut down the electoral challenge, and intimidated several milquetoast Republicans like Sen. Kelly Loeffler to back down and not support the challenge, giving the election to Biden,
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2) It created another opportunity to label Trump as a dangerous inciter of violence, and for Dems and the media to front the narrative that ALL his followers are racist radicals.

Given the fact that this manipulated a political win for the Democrats, and that Washington DC's political leadership, and the FBI, and the DHS are overwhelmingly led by Democrats, gee, who would be the logical conspirators in letting this happen? rolleyes
You of course picked the poll that showed what you liked but my comment was about multiple polls out. They do show Trump retaining a lot of republican support but outside of his party it’s pretty ugly. Considering that the Republican Party became all about Trump I guess at this point it shouldn’t be surprising. It would be like a cult turning on its messiah.

I don’t see your reasoning being sound on the capital riot just for the simple fact that Biden had already won. There was nothing Pence could do within the Constitution to prevent that from happening. Trump however sold it as a game changing day for him. His followers believed that somehow Trump could still win because he falsely told them so. And as they stormed and rioted did Trump in anyway act like a decent human being much less a President of our country? No he was mostly silent while Rudy was calling elected officials in an attempt to prolong the certification. To me it’s pretty clear he incited the riot and than tried to use it to get republicans to do what he wanted. Pence at best could have prolonged the certification but that was it. If republicans have had the house though I’m afraid we could have seen a scenario where republicans basically threw out the election and picked the loser to stay in power. Fortunately Pelosi is still majority leader there so that wasn’t possible.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You of course picked the poll that showed what you liked but my comment was about multiple polls out. They do show Trump retaining a lot of republican support but outside of his party it’s pretty ugly. Considering that the Republican Party became all about Trump I guess at this point it shouldn’t be surprising. It would be like a cult turning on its messiah.

I don’t see your reasoning being sound on the capital riot just for the simple fact that Biden had already won. There was nothing Pence could do within the Constitution to prevent that from happening. Trump however sold it as a game changing day for him. His followers believed that somehow Trump could still win because he falsely told them so. And as they stormed and rioted did Trump in anyway act like a decent human being much less a President of our country? No he was mostly silent while Rudy was calling elected officials in an attempt to prolong the certification. To me it’s pretty clear he incited the riot and than tried to use it to get republicans to do what he wanted. Pence at best could have prolonged the certification but that was it. If republicans have had the house though I’m afraid we could have seen a scenario where republicans basically threw out the election and picked the loser to stay in power. Fortunately Pelosi is still majority leader there so that wasn’t possible.

You're being an asshole.

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They do show Trump retaining a lot of republican support but outside of his party it’s pretty ugly.
"Outside his party", 48% of independents think the election was rigged, as do 30% of Democrats ! As I detailed and linked before. Moe than 50% of the country thinks the election was illegitimate. To bring unity, Biden and the Democrats, if they had nothing to hide, should WELCOME investigation and full disclosure. This is never going away, without an investigation.

And Biden, opposite his pledge to "heal the division", even before his inauguration, is welcoming a social media Orwellian purge of all dissenting conservative thought, is unleashing amnesty for at least 11 million illegal immigrants, while simultaneously ceasing all deportations and creating a nightmare for Border Patrol, and talking about "dismantlement of America's fossil-fuel industry", stopping the Canadian "Keystone XL" oil pipeline, and further trying to crush 6.9 million energy industry jobs. Biden and the Democrats are throwing acid on an open would, and provoking not just dissent, but intolerable rage from their conservative opposition. It's like they are deliberately trying to stoke conservatives into an armed revolution.

If Republicans regard Trump as a "messiah" it's because he has fulfilled his promises more than any other president, has doubled our economy, that has benefited Americans at every income level, has secured our border for the first time since Eisenhower was president, has accomplished more than any previous president in just 4 years, and I'm saddened he was cheated out of a second term that he has richly earned. As I've cited repeatedly, with links, the Heritage Foundation even showed quantifiably that Trump achieved more than even Ronald Reagan did, in Reagan's first year. That's not mindless "worship", not a "cult", it's a rational enthusiasm for his presidency, based how well Trump has fulfilled his promises, and how well he has represented the interests of those who voted for him. And with those accomplishments, even won over the loyalty of many who did NOT vote for him, or like myself, people who were anxious about whether Trump as someone who never previously held office could be an effective president. He is, on his proven achievements, the most effective president of my lifetime.

I picked the same polls I've been posting here for over 10 years, whether they agree with my point of view or not.

Rasmussen across several presidential elections, beginning in 2004, has been the single most accurate, or among the most accurate, in predicting the winner in election after election.

Gallup is a polling company that is clearly liberal, but it is among the most well known polling groups. I've been citing them for at least 15 years, on their annual polls of Christian/other religious/atheist identification in the U.S., and back to the beginnings of the Tea Party movement, that showed they poll as approximately as racial and income-diverse as the general U.S. population, as contrasted with the Occupy Wall Street movement that was overwhelmingly young and white and spoiled children of the wealthy upper class.
Gallup also shows that the U.S. is the first choice of people in countries polled worldwide of the nation they would like to immigrate to, the other top choices much further down the list are Britain, France and Germany. If I recall, over a billion foreign nationals would like to move to the U.S., far more than we can accommodate.

The point being, I selected these because they are two of the most known polling companies, pro-Trump, anti-Trump or otherwise.


Regarding my comments about the Capital riots, I don't know what in particular you question about my "reasoning". I think it's pretty obvious that Trump won and was cheated of a second term by election fraud. I've posted the abundant evidence, that no judge or court would listen to, and denied him justice. He was also denied justice in the electoral vote on Jan 6th, even by his own establishment vice president.
But this much remains true, 74.223,251 Trump voters are outraged, the 48% of independents are outraged, and even 30% of Democrats all agree Trump was cheated by election fraud. And Trump is clearly ready to run again in 2024 and reverse this injustice in the next election. And that's why the Democrats and the Democrat zealots in FBI, DOJ, CIA, State Department, DHS and every government agency want to destroy him. That's the clear motivation for trying to make Trump radioactive, "racist", "white supremacist", impeached on false charges, and render him by whatever deceitful means too toxic to vote for.

But as I cited in the above polls, that scheme is not working for Democrats, the liberal media, and the Peter Strzoks and Lisa Pages who infest all our government agencies.

It's "clear Trump incited a riot" to you because you're a liberal zealot, who welcomes any coup or vicious slander that would give your Democrat-Bolshevik party control and a political victory.
I posted the evidence.
The timeline doesn't match.
The closest thing to "incitement" by Trump was saying "in a few minutes you'll be marching over to the Capitol building to PEACEFULLY and patriotically express your support" for Senators and House members making a legal case for challenging electors in corrupted state elections.
The overwhelming evidence is that police, FBI and DHS knew of planned violence A MONTH before the Jan 6 speech by Trump, so again, CLEARLY not incited by Trump.

And as you yourself acknowledged in a previous post, Trump gave a televised message only 1 hour and 45 minutes after the violence began at 12:40 PM. Trump was still giving a speech for the first 31 minutes the violence began. It probably took him another 15 to 30 minutes to learn of the situation, and time to organize his thoughts and write a statement that woudl be an effective message to deal with the situation. I think it was politically unusual but effective to say "I love you, you're very special, but it's time for you to go home in peace." Effective because even the angrier Trump supporters (the ones who were not leftist Antifa, with malicious motive) felt cheated by the courts, cheated by their state governors and secretaries of state, and state legislators, and U.S. legislators, and even state appelate judges and U S Supreme Court, wanted to be heard and appreciated. And Trump's words in a brief statement GAVE them that much-needed appreciation, that someone heard them, that someone cares about their concerns. And because they are overwhelmingly law-abiding and respectful people, who love their country, they listened to him and immediately went home.

I still say, with evidence, Antifa was at the center of all the violence that occurred that day, stoking anger and pushing Trump supporters to do violence they otherwise would never have done. Motivating the less thoughtful of Trump's supporters *(the podium-stealing guy, the guy with his feet up on Pelosi's desk, the viking-looking guy with the horns) to engage in some mischief. But the violent attacks, the ones where people died, that was Antifa. That's absolutely proven with BLM maniac Jon Sullivan, getting Ashli Babbitt killed. While still undisclosed and being investigated, officer Sicknick was likely killed by Antifa. The attack in the hall on officers, where the attackers brought their own riot shields, tear gas, pepper spray and gas masks, again looks like a false-flag Antifa orchestrated raid. But leave it to Democrats, even with all the evidence to that effect, to keep selling the false narrative that it was all Trump supporters, and use that deceitful crumbling narrative to impeach Trump.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump’s claims of election fraud is a lie though. The rally before the riot was just part of the incitement since the election. Trump essentially radicalized a chunk of your party with lies that failed in the courts, recounts and even trying to get republican election officials to change vote totals.

And patriots don’t try to overthrow our government by force. There isn’t a part of the Constitution that makes that okay. It’s not a gray area WB. They betrayed this country for Trump.


These Capitol-raid military guys have some ideas that I don't agree with, or know their ideology well enough to comment fully on.

But this much is true: In 1776, the founders of our country drafted a letter to King James III to secede, and announce a war of independence, pledging their lives, fortunes and sacred honor. They did so because the goverment that ruled them was intolerably imposing, and had ceased to represent or protect them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...otated_text_of_the_engrossed_declaration
Originally Posted by M E M
I don’t see your reasoning being sound on the capital riot just for the simple fact that Biden had already won. There was nothing Pence could do within the Constitution to prevent that from happening. Trump however sold it as a game changing day for him. His followers believed that somehow Trump could still win because he falsely told them so.

Originally Posted by Wonder Boy, Jan 6 2021, 10:03 PM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Don’t forget now the conspiracy also includes Pence, the conservatives on the Supreme Court plus all the trump appointed judges that ruled on the election plus republican governors and campaign officials.

Oh and scientists, reporters and any republican that voted for impeachment.

So it’s just the Trump cult that is truth basically.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a pure and simple fact that the RNC put Pence on the ticket as the establishment guy, essentially Trump's equivalent that G.H.W. Bush was for Reagan, the establishment apparatchik on the ticket, that negotiated the GOP's support of Trump in 2016.

And when it counted, despite that Pence had the powers of his office to carry on the political fight through further available channels, Pence did abdicate that responsibility with some ambiguous high-sounding legalistic words that were ultimately untrue. Pence only had to allow Senators Cruz, Hawley and others to make their legal case to the nation, but instead shut it down, handing the establishment the win.

It's a fact that all the judges involved, even U S S C, state legislators, U.S. House and Senate members, Governors, secretaries of state, and finally Pence, had the ability to act, and just out of corruption or fear, refused to do the right thing. The evidence was there, and they just refused to look at it. They were intimidated, or in the several cases I previously linked in Georgia, had clear ideological of money motivation, GA governor Kemp's chief of staff now works as a lobbyist for Dominion!
How blind are you, M E M?
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Explaining the 12th Amendment options that Vice President Pence had on Jan 6th, as quoted from a former assistant Attorney General John Yoo, and by a former Homeland Security Council deputy counsel Robert Delahunty....

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In October, writing for The American Mind, University of California, Berkeley, School of Law Professor (and former Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General [under George W. Bush]) John Yoo, as well as University of St. Thomas School of Law Professor (and former Deputy General Counsel of the United States Homeland Security Council [also under Dubya]) Robert Delahunty, related something of keen interest:

  • Under the 12th Amendment, “the President of the Senate [i.e., the Vice President] shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates [of the electoral votes of the states] and the votes shall then be counted.” Left unclear is who is to “count” the electors’ votes and how their validity is to be determined.

    Over the decades, political figures and legal scholars have offered different answers to these constitutional questions. We suggest that the Vice President’s role is not the merely ministerial one of opening the ballots and then handing them over (to whom?) to be counted. Though the 12th Amendment describes the counting in the passive voice, the language seems to envisage a single, continuous process in which the Vice President both opens and counts the votes.

    The check on error or fraud in the count is that the Vice President’s activities are to be done publicly, “in the presence” of Congress. And if “counting” the electors’ votes is the Vice President’s responsibility, then the inextricably intertwined responsibility for judging the validity of those votes must also be his.


Their article, titled What Happens if No One Wins?, and subtitled, “(t)he Constitution provides for election crises—and its provisions favor Trump,” is essential reading for a time like this, as well as the future, in my humble, non-barrister’s opinion.

Will Pence take advantage of his power under the 12th Amendment? Who is to say he cannot claim that vast fraud and irregularities took place, using Peter Navarro’s 36-page report, The Immaculate Deception, as reason for discarding the official Dem electors? After all, Navarro is hardly some schnook who just fell off the turnip wagon; he simultaneously serves as the Assistant to the President and the Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy.

Of course, the Electoral Count Act, which specifies how Congress tallies electoral votes, should at least be brought up here, but the Act itself may be unconstitutional, as Yoo and Delahunty argue: “Congress cannot use legislation to dictate how any individual branch of government is to perform its unique duties: Congress could not prescribe how future Senates should conduct an impeachment trial, for example.”

It would be near-impossible to seriously maintain, then, that Pence is violating the law simply because he is following the plain language of the Constitution itself. Needless to mention, a great deal would do exactly that, which, at the very least, would make for some choice free entertainment.

...argues that Pence absolutely did have the authority to decide the election, or at the very least allow nationally televised debate of the evidence of election fraud. There were multiple paths to a V P or legislative overturn of the fraudulent election. Pence for whatever reason abdicated those options, that would have made him a hero to the over 50% of the country who can plainly see the Biden coup, under the guise of being a free and fair election, was illegitimate. Justice and legality would be not allowing it to stand.

Pence will forever be remembered as the VP who sold us all out, particularly in the face of an incredibly corrupt Biden administration, whose corruption and incompetence the nation might not survive.
50% want Trump removed from office

Even with its pro republican bias Rasmussen has this result! Other polls also show Trump trouble too WB. I’m not being an asshole, just being honest and pretty darn courteous to somebody who litters his responses with personal insults.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Explaining the 12th Amendment options that Vice President Pence had on Jan 6th, as quoted from a former assistant Attorney General John Yoo, and by a former Homeland Security Council deputy counsel Robert Delahunty....

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In October, writing for The American Mind, University of California, Berkeley, School of Law Professor (and former Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General [under George W. Bush]) John Yoo, as well as University of St. Thomas School of Law Professor (and former Deputy General Counsel of the United States Homeland Security Council [also under Dubya]) Robert Delahunty, related something of keen interest:

  • Under the 12th Amendment, “the President of the Senate [i.e., the Vice President] shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates [of the electoral votes of the states] and the votes shall then be counted.” Left unclear is who is to “count” the electors’ votes and how their validity is to be determined.

    Over the decades, political figures and legal scholars have offered different answers to these constitutional questions. We suggest that the Vice President’s role is not the merely ministerial one of opening the ballots and then handing them over (to whom?) to be counted. Though the 12th Amendment describes the counting in the passive voice, the language seems to envisage a single, continuous process in which the Vice President both opens and counts the votes.

    The check on error or fraud in the count is that the Vice President’s activities are to be done publicly, “in the presence” of Congress. And if “counting” the electors’ votes is the Vice President’s responsibility, then the inextricably intertwined responsibility for judging the validity of those votes must also be his.


Their article, titled What Happens if No One Wins?, and subtitled, “(t)he Constitution provides for election crises—and its provisions favor Trump,” is essential reading for a time like this, as well as the future, in my humble, non-barrister’s opinion.

Will Pence take advantage of his power under the 12th Amendment? Who is to say he cannot claim that vast fraud and irregularities took place, using Peter Navarro’s 36-page report, The Immaculate Deception, as reason for discarding the official Dem electors? After all, Navarro is hardly some schnook who just fell off the turnip wagon; he simultaneously serves as the Assistant to the President and the Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy.

Of course, the Electoral Count Act, which specifies how Congress tallies electoral votes, should at least be brought up here, but the Act itself may be unconstitutional, as Yoo and Delahunty argue: “Congress cannot use legislation to dictate how any individual branch of government is to perform its unique duties: Congress could not prescribe how future Senates should conduct an impeachment trial, for example.”

It would be near-impossible to seriously maintain, then, that Pence is violating the law simply because he is following the plain language of the Constitution itself. Needless to mention, a great deal would do exactly that, which, at the very least, would make for some choice free entertainment.

...argues that Pence absolutely did have the authority to decide the election, or at the very least allow nationally televised debate of the evidence of election fraud. There were multiple paths to an V P or legislative overturn of the fraudulent election. Pence for whatever reason abdicated those options, that would have made him a hero to the over 50% of the country who can plainly see the Biden coup, under the guise of being a free and fair election, was illegitimate. Justice and legality would be not allowing it to stand.

Pence will forever be remembered as the VP who sold us all out, particularly in the face of an incredibly corrupt Biden administration, whose corruption and incompetence the nation might not survive.

I’m not a Pence fan in any way. He spent 4 years enabling this corrupt president. Even here if Pence could have gotten away with throwing out official electoral votes I think he would have. This is a whacked out interpretation of the Constitution and wouldn’t have stood up judicially. It’s certainly not an interpretation you would extend to Kamala or any other democratic VP in the future. I wouldn’t. It would be the death of our democracy. We all lose no matter what side did it.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump’s claims of election fraud is a lie though. The rally before the riot was just part of the incitement since the election. Trump essentially radicalized a chunk of your party with lies that failed in the courts, recounts and even trying to get republican election officials to change vote totals.

And patriots don’t try to overthrow our government by force. There isn’t a part of the Constitution that makes that okay. It’s not a gray area WB. They betrayed this country for Trump.


These Capitol-raid military guys have some ideas that I don't agree with, or know their ideology well enough to comment fully on.

But this much is true: In 1776, the founders of our country drafted a letter to King James III to secede, and announce a war of independence, pledging their lives, fortunes and sacred honor. They did so because the goverment that ruled them was intolerably imposing, and had ceased to represent or protect them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...otated_text_of_the_engrossed_declaration

And these traitors would impose a new king on the rest of us. Nope
Speaking of refusing to accept election results:

"Congress needs to establish an investigative body like the 9/11 Commission to determine Trump's ties to Putin so we can repair the damage to our national security and prevent a puppet from occupying the presidency ever again"--Hillary Clinton, 5:38 PM · Jan 18, 2021
Not sure how you consider that not accepting election results G-man.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
50% want Trump removed from office

Even with its pro republican bias Rasmussen has this result! Other polls also show Trump trouble too WB. I’m not being an asshole, just being honest and pretty darn courteous to somebody who litters his responses with personal insults.

No, you're being a slanderous and insulting jerk, and trying to bury the true evidence.

If Rasmussen's simply accurately calling multiple elections that no one else predicted correctly can fairly be termed "Republican bias". No, they're just correct.

And on election night till about 3 AM, Trump was winning by a landslide in all 6 contested states.
Not "50% of PEOPLE voted for Trump".
No. it was 50% of PROVEN ILLEGAL BALLOTS THAT CAN'T BE TRACKED that were magically pulled out of a magic hat and clandestinely slipped into the count at 3 AM hidden from vote inspectors, votes that all went to Biden. Illegal votes caught ON VIDEO being added in Georgia. Dead voters. Double voters. Out of state voters. Voters under fake addresses. Illegal immigrant voters. Rigged Dominion votes. Illegal votes that far exceed Biden's margin of victory in each of these states.

When you over and over engage in shit-stirring and take malicious bitter shots at Trump and his supporters, slanderous things that clearly aren't true and are just Democrat propaganda, don't expect me to reciprocate with courtesy that's not given. It's amazing, your side won (or at least successfully pulled off the fraud) and STILL you guys are out for blood and more angry than if you lost.
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https://www.oann.com/election-fraud-evidence-mounts-as-democrats-divert-attention/

I'd point out that you can't pull up similar reports on Youtube from OAN or Fox or Newsmax, or DailyCaller or The Federalist, or any other conservative news source on that site (they are generally deleted within 24 hours, INCLUDING deletion of Trump's Jan 6th 1 hour 11 minute speech), and they are increasingly hard to find even on a Google or DuckDuckGo search. Your Bolshevik party and their allies in big tech and social media have an aversion to facts and open debate. They believe far more in shutting down all dissenting factual information and opinion.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
50% want Trump removed from office

Even with its pro republican bias Rasmussen has this result! Other polls also show Trump trouble too WB. I’m not being an asshole, just being honest and pretty darn courteous to somebody who litters his responses with personal insults.

No, you're being a slanderous and insulting jerk, and trying to bury the true evidence.

If Rasmussen's simply accurately calling multiple elections that no one else predicted correctly can fairly be termed "Republican bias". No, they're just correct.

And on election night till about 3 AM, Trump was winning by a landslide in all 6 contested states.
Not "50% of PEOPLE voted for Trump".
No. it was 50% of PROVEN ILLEGAL BALLOTS THAT CAN'T BE TRACKED that were magically pulled out of a magic hat and clandestinely slipped into the count at 3 AM hidden from vote inspectors that went to Biden. ON VIDEO in Georgia. Dead voters. Double voters. Out of state voters. Voters under fake addresses. Illegal immigrant voters. Rigged Dominion votes. Illegal votes that far exceed Biden's margin of victory in each of these states.

When you over and over engage in shit-stirring and take malicious bitter shots at Trump and his supporters, slanderous things that clearly aren't true and are just Democrat propaganda, don't expect me to reciprocate with courtesy that's not given. It's amazing, your side won (or at least successfully pulled off the fraud) and STILL you guys are out for blood and more angry than if you lost.

The poll I linked to was from Rasmussen WB. Five thirty eight gives Rasmussen a c+ in polling and shows a pro conservative bias. Even with a bias Rasmussen got that 50% for removal result. And it was known that votes were probably going to be lopsided in states depending on when the mail in votes were counted. Texas was blue most of election night for example because they counted the mail in votes first. Trump’s DOJ found no voter fraud that would have changed the result. Trump’s cyber security guy said it was a secure election. He was willing to say that even though he had to know Trump would fire him as he did. Barr of course had to go to. And for elected officials that wouldn’t “find” votes there were threats of running more loyal people in primary challenges.
Again: if simply being ACCURATE can be considered "conservative bias" . I posted a link that showed daily tracking polls of every day of Trump's presidency, and superimposed over it every day of Obama's first 4 years to compare both at the same point in their presidencies. As I said, Trump was often polling higher on many days than Obama, and that's with the media being the wind at Obama's back, and doing their absolute damnedest to destroy Trump every day he was in office, with countless stories that proved to be absolutely wrong, with steady 93% negative coverage of Trump, reaching 100% negative during the impeachment hearings in Jan-Feb 2020.

It's just like when you guys on the Left say "Fox News is biased". When even Pew Research's own study shows that Fox is perfectly balanced in its coverage, roughly equal positive and negative stories of both candidates, that can only be spun as "more conservatively tilted than the other networks" relative to the EXTREME LEFT tilt of all the other networks.
https://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york...roject-for-excellence-in-journalism-2008

It's pretty well established across all states that early voting leans Democrat, and on-the-day voting is what Republicans tend to do, so day-of-election leans Republican. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove there. And Sydney Powell and Giuliani have said across all 30 states where Dominion machines were used, Dominion manipulation flipped a consistent 3% of votes to Biden. In many states not enough to change the outcome, but a huge manipulation of the vote. Add to that all the dozens of other forms of cheating, and you have more than enough to change the outcome in the 6 contested states. Up till 3 AM Trump was winning in a landslide. Then they stopped the count, just like they do in Venezuela and other states where they rig the vote. They did that so they could count how far ahead Trump was, manufacture the ballots to change that and have Biden win by a slight margin, and they did that across all 6 contested states.
Prior to this election, when has there EVER been a stop in the vote count on election night?
When has it EVER taken more than 24 hours to count all the votes?
That's the dead giveaway that it was election fraud, when what routinely happens in Venezuela, a state known for election rigging, happens here for the first time, and Biden wins with more votes than any president in history. Biden, an incompetent inarticulate buffoon, who can barely finish a sentence, who barely even campaigned.

But Biden got 7 MILLION more votes than Trump ?!?

Biden got 15,428,374 more votes than Hillary Clinton in 2016 ?!?
Biden got 15,366,093 more votes than Obama got in 2012 ?!?
Biden got 11,783,372 more votes that Obama in 2008 ?!? (source: Wikipedia, 2020, 2016, 2012, and 2008 U.S. presidential elections)

No. That doesn't pass the smell test. Biden is an incompetent bungler who can't even draw 20 people to one of his campaign rallies, and listening to him is like watching paint dry, it''s so boring. Whereas Trump consistently draws never-before-seen crowds, and has supporters (like myself) who deeply love what he has done in his 4 years as president. The highest votes before this year were 69,498,516 for Obama in 2008.

This year Trump won with 74,223,251 votes (and probably far more than that, if the count had been fair)
Biden (allegedly) won with 81,281,888 votes.
And as I've shown, some of those are trump votes electronically flipped to Biden, plus double votes, illegal immigrant votes, voters with fake addresses from out of state, unverified signature ballots, ballots from proveably dead people in the thousands, on and on. Multiple streams of election fraud.

The number of easily proven fraudulent and illegal votes is at least double Biden's margin of victory in each of the contested states.
https://www.oann.com/election-fraud-evidence-mounts-as-democrats-divert-attention/
https://www.oann.com/top-administra...to-discuss-election-fraud-investigation/
https://www.oann.com/republicans-vo...over-evidence-of-massive-election-fraud/
https://www.oann.com/ariz-citizens-hold-press-conference-on-voter-fraud/
Originally Posted by M E M
Five ThrityEigh gives Rasmussen...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiveThirtyEight

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iveThirtyEight, sometimes rendered as 538, is an American website that focuses on opinion poll analysis, politics, economics, and sports blogging. The website, which takes its name from the number of electors in the United States electoral college,[538 1] was founded on March 7, 2008, as a polling aggregation website with a blog created by analyst Nate Silver. In August 2010, the blog became a licensed feature of The New York Times online and renamed FiveThirtyEight: Nate Silver's Political Calculus.

Yeah, that tells me everything I need to know. The New York Times wouldn't align with any group that wasn't hard-left and part of the narrative.

That's like holding up Factcheck and Politifact and Snopes as confirming sources. Those are all liberal spin sites that hide behind an image of neutrality, but are in fact part of the Democrat/Left propaganda machine.
Trump couldn’t even beat Hillary in the popular vote so yeah it’s totally believable after 4 years voters eagerly voted for Biden WB. Trump even turned Georgia blue!
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Examples of conservatives (not) condemning violence


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Oh wait, sorry g-man these are some examples of conservative free speech that Amazon doesn’t want to support.
inb4 the next political cartoon that dodges the issue...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump couldn’t even beat Hillary in the popular vote so yeah it’s totally believable after 4 years voters eagerly voted for Biden WB. Trump even turned Georgia blue!

As Pariah and I have both posted, as far back as Nov 2016, the number of illegal Democrat voters in California alone is about 2 million. And add to that fraudulent votes in the names of dead people, illegal immigrants voting, double-voters, and other Democrat schemes, multiple streams of systemic Democrat illegal voting, Trump in 2016 in truth won not only the electoral vote, but also the popular vote, if there had been a fair and lawful audit of the vote in 2016.

G-Man posted an article by Mona Charen (in the Election Fraud topic) going back to 2012 that showed at least 7 million illegal votes are cast annually.

Sidney Powell said that evidence given to her shows Dominion voting machines have been quietly tipping the scales in favor of the Democrats for almost 20 years in elections.

And again: on Election night 2020, Trump was winning in all 6 contested states until around 3 AM. It was after the Democrats sent home the election observers and pulled out the suitcases and the Ryder trucks of illegal votes that Democrats slipped hundreds of thousands of illegal votes in the back door while no one was watching, and "won" the election for Biden. There are thousands of witnesses and affidavits to that effect, only a fraction of whom were heard in televised hearings in all 6 contested states.
As I've linked multiple times here, across multiple topics.

Your side ignores them and never answers that evidence, because they can't.
Biden did not win, it's all a massive deception.
You are wrong about it being one side WB. Key republicans at the state, federal and judiciary helped protect democracy. You and many trump supporters made it clear that is something you don’t value. Trump tried to undue the election just by claiming election fraud without proving it through the courts. That happened. When he failed there he than tried to disrupt the certification on the 6th. The riot at the capitol Trump provoked fortunately failed.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Examples of conservatives (not) condemning violence


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Oh wait, sorry g-man these are some examples of conservative free speech that Amazon doesn’t want to support.


You're again a lying cocksmoker, M E M.

You take a few random anonymous comments from unclear sources (I'm guessing anonymous people on Twitter, from the hashtags, but unclear the source) as "evidence" ?

I'd also point out that on Twitter, those posts are far eclipsed by death threats and wishes of harm TO REPUBLICANS. One example I pointed out was when Trump was diagnosed with Covid-19 it got over a million "likes" on Twitter, and a former speechwriter for Obama openly said she hoped he'd die. Twitter takes down any conservative hate speech, but allows groups like BLM and Antifa to openly plan their violent attacks on their forum.

As G-man indicates, even in a humorous political cartoon, it is well documented that both Democrat leadership and the liberal media AT THE VERY TOP HAVE ENDORSED THE VIOLENCE BLM AND ANTIFA VIOLENCE. It's "justified outrage". In the words of Kamala Harris, "It will keep on going right up to election day, it will not stop, and it SHOULD not stop."
Show me *ONE* Republican leader who said anything similar to that, about the Jan 6th riot at the Capitol.

And G-man really doesn't have to post sources beyond his cartoons, because I've already posted articles and video sources of Democrat support of violence from your side so many times. Schumer, Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Biden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Alexandia Ocasio-Cortez, all the talking heads at CNN, on and on, HAVE OPENLY ENDORSED liberal violence.

And the hypocritical "examples" you post, even if they were verifiable and true, deceitfully mask that when violence occurs on the Republican/Trump-supporter side, it is universally condemned. Whereas your side supports and cheers on liberal violence, whether BLM or Antifa, or physically attacking Republican Senate or House members, or fantasies of killing President Trump.

So violence is the unsupported anomaly on the Republican side.
And violence on the Democrat side is almost universally approved of.
Even when Democrats don't openly voice approval of it, they still condone it with their silence (such as by my piece-of-excrement U.S. congessman, Peter Deutch) . The left likes BLM violence and Antifa violence, because they see it intimidates their political opposition, and puts pressure on Republican legislators, or even U.S. Supreme Court justices, to cave in and accept Democrat leftist demands.
Like, say, not opposing a clearly rigged election and handing the reigns of power over to the Democrat-Bolshevik Left, in the form of a Trojan-horse "moderate" Joe Biden.
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John Sullivan and his group of BLM false-flag infiltrators, who PRETENDED to be Trump supporters, and were at the center of the most violent events, he filmed Ashli Babbitt being shot by a police officer, and stoked both sides to attack each other, pretending to be a Trump supporter said "come on!" and led them to smash through doors to attack police, and on the other side pretented to be "just a journalist" and (on video) said to officers on the other side "You guys should retreat, I've seen a lot of other officers hurt bad today, I don't want anything bad to happen to you..." to panic the officers, and he successfully caused one of those officers to shoot Ashli Babbitt.

I still would lay money that it was another Antifa operative who threw the extinguisher at officer Sicknick and caused injuries that he died from hours later.

If that turns out to be the case, then all the worst acts that day were caused by Antifa, not by "Trump supporters".


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The fur-coated barbarian visigoth "Trump supporter" protester on the left is a registered Democrat, Aaron Mostofsky, and the son of Steven "Schlomo" Mostovsky, a Brooklyn area supreme court judge. In other pictures of him standing with a friend alongside him, another "Trump supporter" carrying a Confederate flag, is also a Democrat.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You are wrong about it being one side WB. Key republicans at the state, federal and judiciary helped protect democracy. You and many trump supporters made it clear that is something you don’t value. Trump tried to undue the election just by claiming election fraud without proving it through the courts. That happened. When he failed there he than tried to disrupt the certification on the 6th. The riot at the capitol Trump provoked fortunately failed.

As usual, you're a fucking liar, M E M.
The logic of what you say is so twisted, I can barely discern what you are trying to rationalize.

Trump and his lawyers have plenty of evidence and thousands of witnesses of election fraud across all 6 states, that judges who are either Democrat partisans, otherwise deep state loyalists, or just intimidated by threats of further Democrat violence as BLM and Antifa unleashed all last year, and really the last 4 years. U S S C justice John Roberts is a prime example, overheard blasting other justices not to consider hearing the case: "Do you want to be responsible for riots?!?" The evidence was there, it was never dismissed on merits of the evidence, court after court just refused to look at the case.


I've posted evidence repeatedly that Trump ABSOLUTELY DID NOT "incite" violence at the Capitol that day.
SHOW ME EXACTLY what Trump said that "incited". He absolutely did not.
He said to Trump protesters (about to walk on a planned march, before he even spoke) :
"In a few minutes you are going to march over to the Capitol and PEACEFULLY and patriotically let your voices be heard."
Legal scholar Alan Dershowitz said it's outrageous to allege Trump in any way provoked violence, that Trump said verbatim what hundreds of other speakers of both political sides have said to their supporters protesting on the Mall of the Americas, in previous marches on Washington DC.

Further, as I've shown repeatedly ( PROVING you are a fucking liar) multiple sources including NYPD informed both the FBI and DHS as much as a month in advance of various groups planning violence at the Jan 6 Capitol protests. Capitol police told multiple Republican Senators and Congressmen and others they were warned to be on the lookout for Antifa infiltrators.
SO HOW COULD TRUMP HAVE 'INCITED' WHAT WAS PLANNED BY MULTIPLE GROUPS UP TO A MONTH IN ADVANCE OF JAN 6th ?

Further, as I've shown repeatedly, the timeline doesn't match your lying narrative, the riots began 31 minutes before Trump concluded his speech at 1:11 PM, and 76 minutes before anyone listening to Trump's speech could have walked over to the Capitol to commit violence after listening (31 minutes, + 45 minutes walking time).
As I've demonstrated repeatedly with facts, what you maliciously allege about Trump is absolutely false, and just yet another Democrat-Bolshevik narrative. And despite evidence, despite logic, you continue to dishonestly sell it.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Examples of conservatives (not) condemning violence


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Oh wait, sorry g-man these are some examples of conservative free speech that Amazon doesn’t want to support.


You're again a lying cocksmoker, M E M.

You take a few random anonymous comments from unclear sources (I'm guessing anonymous people on Twitter, from the hashtags, but unclear the source) as "evidence" ?

I'd also point out that on Twitter, those posts are far eclipsed by death threats and wishes of harm TO REPUBLICANS. One example I pointed out was when Trump was diagnosed with Covid-19 it got over a million "likes" on Twitter, and a former speechwriter for Obama openly said she hoped he'd die. Twitter takes down any conservative hate speech, but allows groups like BLM and Antifa to openly plan their violent attacks on their forum.

As G-man indicates, even in a humorous political cartoon, it is well documented that both Democrat leadership and the liberal media AT THE VERY TOP HAVE ENDORSED THE VIOLENCE BLM AND ANTIFA VIOLENCE. It's "justified outrage". In the words of Kamala Harris, "It will keep on going right up to election day, it will not stop, and it SHOULD not stop."
Show me *ONE* Republican leader who said anything similar to that, about the Jan 6th riot at the Capitol.

And G-man really doesn't have to post sources beyond his cartoons, because I've already posted articles and video sources of Democrat support of violence from your side so many times. Schumer, Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Biden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Alexandia Ocasio-Cortez, all the talking heads at CNN, on and on, HAVE OPENLY ENDORSED liberal violence.

And the hypocritical "examples" you post, even if they were verifiable and true, deceitfully mask that when violence occurs on the Republican/Trump-supporter side, it is universally condemned. Whereas your side supports and cheers on liberal violence, whether BLM or Antifa, or physically attacking Republican Senate or House members, or fantasies of killing President Trump.

So violence is the unsupported anomaly on the Republican side.
And violence on the Democrat side is almost universally approved of.
Even when Democrats don't openly voice approval of it, they still condone it with their silence (such as by my piece-of-excrement U.S. congessman, Peter Deutch) . The left likes BLM violence and Antifa violence, because they see it intimidates their political opposition, and puts pressure on Republican legislators, or even U.S. Supreme Court justices, to cave in and accept Democrat leftist demands.
Like, say, not opposing a clearly rigged election and handing the reigns of power over to the Democrat-Bolshevik Left, in the form of a Trojan-horse "moderate" Joe Biden.

Those examples are from Parler WB. You can use google to find many more examples of what you guys are calling free speech. It’s pretty apparent what it is and why it’s not being supported by big tech. Parler simply refused to try to moderate and remove this truly vile crap. They were asked to remove specific posts and refused.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Examples of conservatives (not) condemning violence


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Oh wait, sorry g-man these are some examples of conservative free speech that Amazon doesn’t want to support.


You're again a lying cocksmoker, M E M.

You take a few random anonymous comments from unclear sources (I'm guessing anonymous people on Twitter, from the hashtags, but unclear the source) as "evidence" ?

I'd also point out that on Twitter, those posts are far eclipsed by death threats and wishes of harm TO REPUBLICANS. One example I pointed out was when Trump was diagnosed with Covid-19 it got over a million "likes" on Twitter, and a former speechwriter for Obama openly said she hoped he'd die. Twitter takes down any conservative hate speech, but allows groups like BLM and Antifa to openly plan their violent attacks on their forum.

As G-man indicates, even in a humorous political cartoon, it is well documented that both Democrat leadership and the liberal media AT THE VERY TOP HAVE ENDORSED THE VIOLENCE BLM AND ANTIFA VIOLENCE. It's "justified outrage". In the words of Kamala Harris, "It will keep on going right up to election day, it will not stop, and it SHOULD not stop."
Show me *ONE* Republican leader who said anything similar to that, about the Jan 6th riot at the Capitol.

And G-man really doesn't have to post sources beyond his cartoons, because I've already posted articles and video sources of Democrat support of violence from your side so many times. Schumer, Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Biden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, Alexandia Ocasio-Cortez, all the talking heads at CNN, on and on, HAVE OPENLY ENDORSED liberal violence.

And the hypocritical "examples" you post, even if they were verifiable and true, deceitfully mask that when violence occurs on the Republican/Trump-supporter side, it is universally condemned. Whereas your side supports and cheers on liberal violence, whether BLM or Antifa, or physically attacking Republican Senate or House members, or fantasies of killing President Trump.

So violence is the unsupported anomaly on the Republican side.
And violence on the Democrat side is almost universally approved of.
Even when Democrats don't openly voice approval of it, they still condone it with their silence (such as by my piece-of-excrement U.S. congessman, Peter Deutch) . The left likes BLM violence and Antifa violence, because they see it intimidates their political opposition, and puts pressure on Republican legislators, or even U.S. Supreme Court justices, to cave in and accept Democrat leftist demands.
Like, say, not opposing a clearly rigged election and handing the reigns of power over to the Democrat-Bolshevik Left, in the form of a Trojan-horse "moderate" Joe Biden.

Those examples are from Parler WB. You can use google to find many more examples of what you guys are calling free speech. It’s pretty apparent what it is and why it’s not being supported by big tech. Parler simply refused to try to moderate and remove this truly vile crap. They were asked to remove specific posts and refused.


You're still a piece of shit liar, M E M. By saying "you guys" you're sweepingly trying to paint the entire Trump movement as "violent" and "radical" by what a handful of anonymous fringe people said, who may or may not identify as Trump conservatives. If these anonymous posts are even real.

And you are ignoring that Capitol violence was mostly pre- planned on Facebook and Twitter, as have BLM and Antifa riots and violence, FOR YEARS. And yet the Facebook and Twitter forums are not taken down, only Parler is targeted as allowing "hate speech".
A hypocritical double-standard.
And again, I don't see you providing any source-able proof that these "right wing hate on Parler" texts are even real, and not made up by someone on the Left TO FRAME all Trump supporters as radicals.
You miserable Bolshevik liar.
And the pro-trump rioters are turning up to be indeed pro-trump supporters. Aaron Mostofsky might be registered democrat btw but if you take a deeper dive he’s from an area that is heavily democratic where many conservatives register that way. His brother is head of a pro-Trump organization.
“ Mostofsky’s brother Nachman, the executive director of Chovevei Zion, a politically conservative Orthodox advocacy organization, as well as a Brooklyn district leader and vice president of the South Brooklyn Conservative Club, also attended the rally Wednesday but did not enter the Capitol.”

And after the riot here is Aaron wearing a project veritas hat...
Aaron wearing a veritas hat
WB I’m not lying nor is it something that interests me to try to deceive. I’m against all violence and death threats like in the previous examples are not what I consider free speech or serve the public’s interest.

And here is the link to the Amazon court filing that has the posts WB
Amazon court filing
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
And the pro-trump rioters are turning up to be indeed pro-trump supporters. Aaron Mostofsky might be registered democrat btw but if you take a deeper dive he’s from an area that is heavily democratic where many conservatives register that way. His brother is head of a pro-Trump organization.
“ Mostofsky’s brother Nachman, the executive director of Chovevei Zion, a politically conservative Orthodox advocacy organization, as well as a Brooklyn district leader and vice president of the South Brooklyn Conservative Club, also attended the rally Wednesday but did not enter the Capitol.”

And after the riot here is Aaron wearing a project veritas hat...
Aaron wearing a veritas hat


I've seen that before. And if Aaron Motofsky were truly a Republican, he wouldn't remain a registered Democrat, why would he? It's Democrats who pull those kind of deceitful false-flag tactics, not Republicans. Kelly-Ann Conway's husband is a Lincoln Republican and rabid anti-Trumper. Same family, polar opposite political beliefs. The Conway's' teenage daughter is a rabid liberal blogger. So what does your allegation prove? Nothing. People in the same family can have vastly different beliefs. Motovsky's conservative brother in the article I read voiced disappointment, not support, for Aaron's actions that got him arrested.
If Motofsky PRETENDED to be a Trump supporter, he could just as easily do the same with a Project Veritas hat. John Sullivan of BLM/Utah on video mockingly dispayed multiple hats, a fur hat to bland with the barbarian horde, a MAGA hat, and a helmot to pose as a "neutral" journalist. Until it's verified one way or the other you can't speculate. His Brooklyn Supreme Court justice father is most certainly a liberal. A Jewish N Y newspaper lavished praise on his court selection for that reason.

Like I said, if I'd been in the plaza outside the Capitol and I saw people engaging in violence or smashing windows and going inside the Capitol, even if police would let me walk in unresisted, my instinct would be that you're not supposed to go in there, and I wouldn't. I'd have the good sense to walk away, and call 911 to tell them what was happening. I wouldnt be involved in rushing a line of cops with shields, I wouldn't be wandering around inside the Capitol, I wouldn't be sitting at House members' desks, smashing glass doors and windows, or taking home trophies from Hose members' possessions.

And I think it's pretty clear that the 100,000 people at the Mall that day feel exactly the way I do, and would never engage in violence, would never rush cops or storm the building, despite your attempts to slime an entire movement by what is clearly just a handful of people, and among them a number of them identified as Antifa. The only organized conservative group of people who as an organization, and not as individuals, did these things is a right-wing militia group that calls themselves Promise Keepers, and one of their reported posts (on Lou Dobbs Friday night) said before the riots "about 30 or 40 of us will be there". Reported by NYPD to FBI and DOJ, up to a month in advance of the Jan 6th protest. Which begs the question: Why were they not detained in advance?

You try to slime an entire movement of 74.2 million Trump voters, and over 100,000 people on the mall outside the Capitol that day, and try to say "all these Trump supporters endorse what happened". Or that all Trump supporters post the kind of stuff you ALLEGE was posted on Parler (while you simultaneously ignore all the comments and planning of violence that occurred on Facebook and Twitter, most of which was never taken down and is still there).

Well, you're a liar, Trump supporters don't. And Trumpers condemn violence by their own side almost unanimously, at a far higher ratio than Democrats. Democrats who, at the Democrat leadership level, at the liberal media level, and at the grassroots level, judging from their comments in the media, and on Facebook and Twitter, all seem to endorse violence attacking Republicans, such as after the Hodgekinson shooting at the Republican congressional baseball game, or when Trump had Covid-19 in October (I'll never forget that, over a million likes on Facebook when the news broke. Not 30 or 40, OVER A MILLION). Or the BLM and Antifa violence ALL YEAR LONG in 2020 that I've already posted videos of virtually every Democrat leader endorsing, and CNN, and MSNBC. Or Democrat comments when Reagan or Tony Snow died. Democrats consistently endorse these things as "justified", "a good start" or "I hope he dies". You don't see that meanness or endorsement of violence or death on the Republican side.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
WB I’m not lying nor is it something that interests me to try to deceive. I’m against all violence and death threats like in the previous examples are not what I consider free speech or serve the public’s interest.

And here is the link to the Amazon court filing that has the posts WB
Amazon court filing

It is absolutely a lie that Trump incited violence, or that a majority, or even a small minority of Republicans wants violent revolution. And if you are fronting that narrative, you are a liar. I've REPEATEDLY cited and linked the evidence otherwise. It's not about finding the truth for Democrats, it's about destroying Trump and his supporters by any means available.
Again, assuming that Parler allegation is even true, it ignores that posts like that were said , and organized violence planned, on Facebook and Twitter as well. But only Parler was shut down. Parler was held to a standard the other sites were not.
https://clarion.causeaction.com/202...ferent-standard-than-twitter-facebook-2/


Well, your party sure endorses violence, whether it is Hodgekinson shooting Republican House members ("a good start", one Democrat strategist said on social media at the time), AOC and her squad endorsing attacks on ICE and Border Patrol, or Antifa and BLM torching cities and beating, murdering bystanders and police all summer long with no Democrat criticism.
Or tearing down and burning statues of our nation's founders, that no Democrat leader ever condemned.
I think it’s obvious that trump incited the mob he sent to the capitol and there needs to be accountability for those actions. It will essentially be up to republicans if that happens in the senate trial. Than it’s up to voters to render their judgement on those votes in upcoming elections.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think it’s obvious that trump incited the mob he sent to the capitol and there needs to be accountability for those actions. It will essentially be up to republicans if that happens in the senate trial. Than it’s up to voters to render their judgement on those votes in upcoming elections.

And I think you're a Media-Matters indoctrinated zealot who will front any flat-out lies and propaganda talking points your party feeds you.

I've cited the proof that you and your party have maliciously fronted a false narrative about Trump on Jan 6th, repeatedly. The evidence against your narrative has been documented by the FBI, by facts reported in the liberal media, and by the facts of a timeline that absolutely proves the crowd was not incited by Trump.


Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The troops were there because Trump got his crazies to attack the capitol on the 6th. One officer died during that attack and another took his own life right after. They were swarmed and over powered and beaten by trumpers. More attacks were planned for the inauguration but because of the National Guard’s presence the anti- democratic terrorists stayed home. I’m very grateful for the National Guard and very sorry that they were needed because of the pro-trump terrorists that are actively plotting more terrorism.

More of your absolute shit garbage and lies, M E M.
I've proven multiple times that the plans for violence 1) far precede Trump's Jan 6th speech and were reported to FBI and DHS **a month in advance**, who sat on their hands and let it happen.
2) That Trump said nothing "inciting" in his speech, and instead urged protesters to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically" support Senate and House Republicans challenging the electors inside the Capitol building.
3) That the timeline doesn't work, that the violence began at 12:40 PM, but Trump spoke from 12 noon till 1:11 PM, that the violence began 31 minutes before Trump finished his speech, and 76 minutes (31 minutes, + 45 minutes walking time) before they could have walked to the Capitol from where Trump was speaking. But again: it is documented by FBI and DHS that this violence was planned WAY BEFORE THAT, a month in advance, NOT "incited" by Trump.

The officer who died was from an extinguisher thrown at his head, and it is yet to be proven it was a "Trumper" who threw it. And as I said, Antifa leader John Sullivan was directly involved in inciting the incident that got Ashli Babbitt shot by a Capitol police officer, FOR WHICH SULLIVAN WAS ARRESTED BY THE FBI.
It is still entirely possible that both deaths at the Capitol were caused by Anttfa, not Trump supporters.

And you are once again trying to smear Trump and all his supporters, over 100,000 around the Capitol that day, only about 40 of whom (some of them Antifa wolves in Trump clothing) were involved in violence, and maybe another 300 persons who are being investigated for lesser charges of "trespassing" or "violating curfew".


Would that you had the same outrage for the BLM and Antifa DEMOCRATS who burned and looted cities across nationwide over the last 9 months, and burned over 500 businesses im your own city of Minneapolis. Which is over 500 times the damage done in the Capitol ALONE, that one city, let alone in hundreds of other cities across the nation.

Or on inauguration day, the destruction by Antifa in Seattle, Portland, Denver and Boston, that your ideological brethren in the liberal media WON'T EVEN REPORT. You're such a fucking liar, M E M.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/broadcast-networks-barely-mention-antifa-riots
and
https://www.foxnews.com/us/left-wing-riots-cities-after-biden-inauguration

And the allegation that there were going to be attacks on inauguration day in Washington DC and in Capitols of all 50 states was clearly just Democrat propaganda and fearmongering, so they could make a ridiculously overblown show of military force.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/media...ed-out-largely-avoids-left-wing-violence

That has backfired, people who were complacent about a change of power are now buying guns to defend themselves from a tyrannical Democrat government that has threatened to come for them, crush them, "de-program" them, and have DHS take away their children to liberal-indoctrinate them with state ideology. And as I've said previously, those threats come from Joe Biden himself, and just about every other Democrat leader, and pieces of shit like former CIA director John Brennan, Ocasio-Cortez, Katie Couric, Jennifer Rubin of the N Y Times, Robert Reich, and many others. Trump supporters are not supporting insurrections, but we damn well know the Democrat-Bolsheviks are planning to come for us.
I think a zealot tries to cast peaceful protesters as the same as the violent ones like you do. I recognize the difference between pro-trump protesters that didn’t trash our capitol and engage in violence and the ones that did. So you are only fooling yourself on who is the true zealot here.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think a zealot tries to cast peaceful protesters as the same as the violent ones like you do. I recognize the difference between pro-trump protesters that didn’t trash our capitol and engage in violence and the ones that did. So you are only fooling yourself on who is the true zealot here.

First of all, I don't do that, and never did. That is a completely made up slander.

Second of all, you multiple times have tried to conflate a few fringe people who acted on their own as being representative of Trump supporters as a whole (i.e., "The troops were there because Trump got his crazies to attack the capitol on the 6th") and lyingly allege they were motivated by Trump's words, when they clearly weren't (see my EVIDENCE in posts above.)

How many times will you keep re-posting your lying CLEARLY DISPROVEN talking points, despite the clear evidence you are lying?)
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think a zealot tries to cast peaceful protesters as the same as the violent ones like you do. I recognize the difference between pro-trump protesters that didn’t trash our capitol and engage in violence and the ones that did. So you are only fooling yourself on who is the true zealot here.

First of all, I don't do that, and never did. That is a completely made up slander.
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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I don’t consider every trump supporter a white nationalist. I also see a difference between the peaceful protesters that went to the rally that didn’t storm the Capital riot and those that did. A difference Trump didn’t use for the largely peaceful protesters from this last summer btw. Now everyone can see the threat pro-trump terrorists pose to our country and hopefully finally treat it like other terrorism.


The reason both Trump, myself and most conservatives don't make that distinction with he BLM protesters is because they burned and looted HUNDREDS OF CITIES. It wasn't limited to just a few sections of one building. In your native Minneapolis, they burned ad destroyed over 500 businesses in just that one city. Also, the Democrats and liberal media were very dismissive of the mass destruction, on CNN reporter Ari-what's-his-name stood with the whole horizon behind him on fire, and laughably said "mostly peaceful protests". Ass to that how they, both Democrats and CNN and MSNBC reporters far from condemning the BLM violence, called it "justifiable". There's absolutely no sympathy from the same liberal Newspeak liars for the protesters on January 6th.
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You do do that WB. I had friends and relatives that participated peacefully in the BLM protests. Good people that are not anti cop but recognize there is a problem. Trump cast them as just as bad as the worst. Lots of republicans like yourself ran with it.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think a zealot tries to cast peaceful protesters as the same as the violent ones like you do. I recognize the difference between pro-trump protesters that didn’t trash our capitol and engage in violence and the ones that did. So you are only fooling yourself on who is the true zealot here.

First of all, I don't do that, and never did. That is a completely made up slander.
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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I don’t consider every trump supporter a white nationalist. I also see a difference between the peaceful protesters that went to the rally that didn’t storm the Capital riot and those that did. A difference Trump didn’t use for the largely peaceful protesters from this last summer btw. Now everyone can see the threat pro-trump terrorists pose to our country and hopefully finally treat it like other terrorism.


The reason both Trump, myself and most conservatives don't make that distinction with he BLM protesters is because they burned and looted HUNDREDS OF CITIES. It wasn't limited to just a few sections of one building. In your native Minneapolis, they burned ad destroyed over 500 businesses in just that one city. Also, the Democrats and liberal media were very dismissive of the mass destruction, on CNN reporter Ari-what's-his-name stood with the whole horizon behind him on fire, and laughably said "mostly peaceful protests". Ass to that how they, both Democrats and CNN and MSNBC reporters far from condemning the BLM violence, called it "justifiable". There's absolutely no sympathy from the same liberal Newspeak liars for the protesters on January 6th.
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You do do that WB. I had friends and relatives that participated peacefully in the BLM protests. Good people that are not anti cop but recognize there is a problem. Trump cast them as just as bad as the worst. Lots of republicans like yourself ran with it.


Again, you're a fucking liar, M E M.

You talk out both sides of your mouth, conflating ALL Trump supporters as racist militants and terrorists, and all "incited" by Trump.

And then you talk out the other side of your mouth and say "Oh no, I don't consider every trump supporter a white nationalist", when you just outright said or implied it 20 times, so you're on the record once denying the narrative you were just pushing.

I don't see anything I said that was wrong. The violence in Minneapolis alone >>>FAR<<< exceeds what happened in the Capitol on Jan 6th.

That's not "casting peaceful protestors as the same as violent ones", that's just a fact. That far more BLM protestors nationwide looted and burned and destroyed cities nationwide, tore down national monuments.
Urinated on them !
Attacked government buildings.
Attacked ICE and Border Patrol facilities.

And that THE LEADERSHIP OF YOUR ENTIRE PIECE-OF-SHIT DEMOCRAT BOLSHEVIK PARTY outright endorsed or at best never criticized any of these acts. That in my mind makes them all one in spirit with the violent rioters. They endorse it.
KAMALA HARRIS: "It's going to go on right through election day, it will not stop, it SHOULDN'T stop."
CORY BOOKER: "Get in some congressmens' faces..."
NANCY PELOSI: "People do what they do... I don't care about statues..."
MAXINE WATERS: "If you see anybody from that cabinet, in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, an you tell them they're not welcome."

Your side, on a large scale if not completely, endorsers violence. From the top of the party to the grassroots/social media bottom. And I've cited the posts of Democrats cheering on violence on social media. Mos itnfuriating to me was when the news of Trump diagnosed with Covid-19 was greeted with over 1 million likes. Facebook and Twitter had to put up notices for Democrat users not to post mean things about the Trump being ill, or the enthusiastic posts about wanting him to die would have been even higher. A FORMER OBAMA SPEECHWRITER POSTED : "I hope he dies."

As contrasted with the Capitol violence, done by 40 or so persons, some of them identified as Antifa, but regardless, universally condemned by Trump supporters.
See you are all about “sides” in a lot of your posts even when you deny it. You did exactly what you’re accusing me of with peaceful protesters as detailed in my above post WB. Your response is more of the same. It’s all right there in your posts.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
See you are all about “sides” in a lot of your posts even when you deny it. You did exactly what you’re accusing me of with peaceful protesters as detailed in my above post WB. Your response is more of the same. It’s all right there in your posts.


No. I proved with quotes and the huge volume of maniacs in your party that obviously cheer on violence. Not all, but a vast swath of your party endorses violence against conservatives.
As contrasted with Trump supporters who almost universally condemn what happened on Jan 6th, or any violence in their name.

So it's really hypocritical for you and other Democrats to go all "Ohh, tisk tisk!" that Trump supporters are a vast threat of violence. When in fact, in the examples I gave and many more, YOUR PARTY not only commits more acts of political violence, but that a huge ratio of Democrats, if not a majority, ENDORSE that violence. I keep posting examples of how vicious your party is, and you keep fronting your lying narrative of a vastly exaggerated threat of Trump-supporter violence, despite that it's overwhelmingly YOUR PARTY that advocates those tactics, both at the Democrat leadership level, and at the grassroots/social media level.
Biden’s pay their respects to Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick

The party of Black Lives Matter and "de-fund the police" honors a fallen officer.
rolleyes

Yeah, that rings about as true as "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan" (that Politifact selected as their "Lie of the Year", by the way).


BIDEN STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON JALINA PORTER POSTED POLICE ARE "LARGEST NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT" TO U.S.

And she wasn't fired!
That tells you all you need to know about Biden and his administration's true level of "respect" for police.

Add to that how top officials in both the Biden campaign and the Kamala Harris campaign gave huge amounts of money to far-left legal funds to bail the most violent Antifa and BLM rioters out of jail in Minneapolis and hundreds of other cities nationwide last summer.
Oh yes! These people have SUCH respect for the police!
Please...
Biden actually plans on increasing the number of community policing but with increased accountability. Sounds like a solution to me.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Biden actually plans on increasing the number of community policing but with increased accountability. Sounds like a solution to me.


That doesn't change the FACT that virtually every House and Senate Democrat has been attacking police and calling for de-funding of police for a year.
And I can easily again provide the video of these comments again if needed.

One little token P.R. gesture by Democrats in pseudo-support of police, doesn't erase a year's worth of open war on police by the virtually the entire Democrat party.
Following up on my January 18th post to this topic, I still look at Vice President Mike Pence's option to not certify the illegal state electors from 6 contested states as the moment that could have changed the election.

Will Pence stand up on Jan. 6th in Congress?

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It is for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All
December 26, 2020 American Thinker By Ted Noel

On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection, comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection “out of order” or “denied.” His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices. He can roll over on “certified” electors, or he can uphold the law.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...esidential_election_was_held_at_all.html

At the very least, it would have begun 10 days of televised Senate debate, that would have broken through the wall of liberal media and social media suppression, and in televised debates exposed the actual facts of election fraud that have been hidden from the public, that would inevitably have raised public support of a challenge to the fraudulent outcome. And that opposition is already at 51% of Americans (including 48% of independents and 30% of Democrats) despite the mainstream suppression of the facts.
How much more an overwhelming majority, if Pence had done the right thing on Jan 6th ?
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U.S. CODE AND CONSTITUTION REQUIRE V P PENCE TO REJECT UNLAWFUL ELECTORAL COLLEGE CERTIFICATES

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74 million Americas voted for President Trump, or at least that’s what the final election numbers are telling us. Earlier this week, Peter Navarro compiled a report outlining “Six key dimensions of election irregularities.” In his report, Navarro identifies patterns of election irregularities that are “so consistent across the six battleground states that they suggest a coordinated strategy to, if not steal the election outright, strategically game the election process in such a way to stuff the ballot box and unfairly tilt the playing field in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket.” Navarro cites a recent Rasmussen poll in his report that reveals a stunning 62% of Republicans, 28% of Independents, and 17% of Democrats believe it is “Very Likely the Democrats stole the election.”

While Americans watch the clock tick down as we approach the inauguration of the most powerful man in the world, judges refuse to address clear evidence of voter fraud, including affidavits from hundreds of GOP poll challengers, election workers, and even city employees who witnessed voter fraud in battleground states. Feckless Republican state lawmakers are kicking the can down the road, promising they’ll address voter fraud in the next election. Meanwhile, 74 million + Americans are not okay with kicking the can down the road, they want this issue addressed NOW!

Now that the electors have voted, what are the remaining options to stop what many believe is a fraudulent candidate from becoming our next president? According to the National File, this fight is not over, and one of the most important options falls on Vice President Mike Pence, who according to their report, needs to address this issue today.

The National File reports – Sources in the Trump administration confirmed to National File that President Donald Trump’s most vocal advocates within the White House have determined that both U.S. Code and the Constitution contain language that requires Vice President Mike Pence to reject unlawful Electoral College certificates, but Pence must act by no later than Wednesday, December 23.

The drafters of this White House memo believe that the federal check to the states’ elections resides with Vice President Mike Pence in his role as President of the Senate. Additionally, Pence has the sole power to determine whether to reject impermissible states of electors. However, Pence is legally required to do this on the fourth Wednesday in December, which this year falls on December 23.
National File’s sources in the White House indicated that the memo was requested by those in the President’s circle who are most keen to see the 2020 election, and the ensuing fallout, administered in as transparent of a manner as possible. They also indicate that the push to find a path to verify the 2020 election’s integrity is not coming solely from the White House, but also comes from across numerous agencies in the administration.

The emergence of the memo could mark a decided shift in roles for Pence, our sources explain. Since the days immediately following the election, Pence has remained relatively silent compared to President Trump and his legal team.

The revelation that Pence alone can reject allegedly fraudulent Electoral College certificates shifts the spotlight from President Trump and Congressional leaders significantly by putting President Trump’s electoral destiny squarely on Pence’s shoulders.

This memo will likely interfere with Pence’s travel plans, as the vice president recently announced his intention to travel to Israel for two weeks after January 6, when he will preside over a joint session of Congress, according to the Times of Israel.

Inside The Memo:

  • Pence can deny Electoral College certificates from states with widespread election fraud.


FROM THE MEMO:

  • Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution requires that “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors.” Therefore, the papers (or “slates”) the states attempted to submit to the President of the Senate and Archivist of the United States are not legal, permissible certificates of votes and lists by Electors as recited in Title 3, U.S.C., sections 9 and 11. Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin violated the U.S. Constitution’s Art. 2, S.1, Cl.2 and 14th Amendment, Section 1, Equal Protection Clause in administering their elections, therefore rendering their slates impermissible.

    On Dec. 14, the States consummated a fraudulent and Constitutionally deficient certification of their electors as required by 3 USC 7. State and federal authorities have discovered Overwhelming evidence of election fraud and irregularities since Nov. 4, likely rising to the level of criminal election fraud and public corruption. Civil courts dismissed these claims procedurally, rather than on substance.


Pence must then notify the Secretary of State in each contested state that they have until January 6 to send a legal Electoral College certificate.

FROM THE MEMO:

  • The President of the Senate, as the Vice President, statutorily sits on the National Security Council and is privy to information no other individual in the Presidential electoral process has — not the States, not the SCOTUS, not U.S. Congress. This specifically includes any classified evidence and assessments which emanate from EO 13848 regarding foreign interference with US elections. Therefore, the President of the Senate is uniquely qualified to issue judgement on impermissible electors.

This is not an option for Pence. If he intends to follow the law from December 23 until January 6, he must instruct these states to remedy their Electoral College certificates.
Pence would have helped Trump steal the election if he could have WB. What you present is a new interpretation of what a vp can actually do. And who shares this view? Well golly it looks like it’s just trump people. Really do you see Kamala having this power in ‘24? No I don’t think you would. We wouldn’t survive as a democracy for long if it just depended on the loser willing to accept losing. Trump lost and tried to bully his way into holding onto power. It failed and we still have a democracy.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Pence would have helped Trump steal the election if he could have WB. What you present is a new interpretation of what a vp can actually do. And who shares this view? Well golly it looks like it’s just trump people. Really do you see Kamala having this power in ‘24? No I don’t think you would. We wouldn’t survive as a democracy for long if it just depended on the loser willing to accept losing. Trump lost and tried to bully his way into holding onto power. It failed and we still have a democracy.

NOT what I present, what lawyers and legal experts presented. As I said in my January 18th post, these were highly positioned former attorneys for the DOJ and DHS, who were quoting the U.S. Constitution !

NOT an attempt to "steal the election", as is your Democrat-Bolshevik narrative, to rationalize the corrupt way your vicious party seized power in the Nov 3rd rigged election (and immediately implemented a massive authoritarian lockdown the moment Trump conceded on Jan 6th). A militarized Biden inauguration behind 26,000 troops and razor-wire is indistinguishable from Xi Jinping's Beijing, or Kim Jong Un's Pyonyang.
Not a "steal". But instead the available options laid out chapter and verse in the U.S. Constitution. To legally, by the rule of law, save the nation from YOUR party's armed Bolshevik takeover, and ongoing purge. If only Pence and many other scared rabbits in the GOP leadership, judiciary, state legislatures, and state governors, had the courage to simply exert the Constitutional powers given to them.
Don’t you think Trump inciting a mob of trumpers that stormed the capital with chants of “hang Pence” is scarier to Mile Pence than Biden at his meanest? You forget all the video of demented trumpers in all their awfulness beating on officers? And finding lawyers to take any position happens all the time. I never heard of this interpretation of the Constitution till Trump needed it. I bet you hadn’t either. Want makes this better than what was the traditional and accepted view other than it’s about what you want?
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MULTIPLE ADVANCE POLICE REPORTS AND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS INDICATE FALSE-FLAG LEFTISTS POSED AS TRUMP RIOTERS IN JAN 6th CAPITOL RIOTS
https://www.oann.com/multiple-reports-eyewitness-accounts-indicate-antifa/


That now includes Antifa, BLM, and Boogaloo groups, posing as Trump supporters.
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EXPERT IDENTIFIES MULTIPLE LEFTIST AGENT-PROVOCATEURS IN JANUARY 6th CAPITOL ATTACKS
https://www.oann.com/expert-identifies-multiple-agent-provocateurs-in-jan-6-attack/
Bogus Antifa Claims Follow Capitol Riot
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man


"Factcheck.org" = branch of Washington Post = liberal spin site feigning objectivity = LIBERAL PROPAGANDA

Factcheck, Politifact and Snopes all pretend to be neutral sites, but are actually liberal spin propaganda that 75% of the time target conservatives to pick apart, and only 25% of the time target liberal/Democratss, to project some illusion of neutral objectivity, but only as cover to reinforce the mainstream liberal narrative.

I cited facts above that are inconvenient to that narrative.

I also notice that the "Factcheck" piece skirts around the facts with a carefully worded "no ANTIFA were identified" that deceitfully navigates around the fact that other Leftist groups ABSOLUTELY WERE identified and arrested infiltrating and pretending to be trump supporters, including BLM (John Sullivan), the Boogaloo anarchist group (deceitfully portrayed by you as a right-wing group, despite the clearly stated hatred by their leader for Trump and Republicans, and their clear joint protests with BLM)/.
And other groups that are perhaps "right-wing" such as Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, but are still not Trump supporters in any conventional sense, and have a long history of violence before January 6th, and NYPD, FBI and DHS were alerted to their planned violence a month before the Jan 6th rally. (i.e., not "incited" by Trump)

That "Factcheck" hit piece cites the numbers of Trump supporters arrested on lesser charges, but fails to make clear that while Trump supporters entered the White House, the ones arrested were mostly for criminal tresspass and similar charges, while the violent acts and destruction were orchestrated by leftist infiltrators.
OAN= trump trash garbage
I know how you feel about bias WB
Did you have anything credible?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
OAN= trump trash garbage

Eat shit, M E M. They cited facts and were clearly sourced.


Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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THE CASE THAT CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER SICKNICK WAS MURDERED MAY BE FALLING APART


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by Megan Fox, PJ NEWS
Feb 3, 2021


CNN is reporting that the case to prove Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick’s death was murder may be falling apart.

  • Investigators are struggling to build a federal murder case regarding fallen US Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, vexed by a lack of evidence that could prove someone caused his death as he defended the Capitol during last month’s insurrection.

    Authorities have reviewed video and photographs that show Sicknick engaging with rioters amid the siege but have yet to identify a moment in which he suffered his fatal injuries, law enforcement officials familiar with the matter said.

    Soon after Sicknick died on January 7, prosecutors in Washington opened a federal murder investigation, dedicating a team inside the US attorney’s office to build out a case, authorities have said.




This is a far cry from what we were told—that the officer was beaten to death. Not only can authorities not explain his death, but they also admit to having given out false information that the officer was bludgeoned by a fire extinguisher.

  • According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.


How can we know so little about the cause of this man’s death almost an entire month later?

  • To date, little information has been shared publicly about the circumstances of the death of the 13-year veteran of the police force, including any findings from an autopsy that was conducted by DC’s medical examiner. In a statement the day after the insurrection, Capitol Police said that Sicknick had been “injured while physically engaging with protesters” and collapsed as a result of his injuries sometime after returning to his office. He died the next day in a local hospital
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We don’t know if he had any health conditions that contributed to the death. We don’t know the cause of death. Basically, we know nothing about how or why this man died, but his death was used to paint all of the protesters at the Capitol as violent insurrectionists. There’s no question that some of them did act violently, but if they did not commit murder, we should know that, too.


The FBI says that 100 officers were injured in the Capitol events. I hope that didn’t happen, honestly, because it is upsetting to think about people who agree with me politically participating in violence like that. If they did, they should be locked up. But I don’t know how anyone can know anything definitively at this point after learning that reports about Sicknick were not correct. What else about this reporting was wrong? Will we ever know?

  • In court documents, FBI agents have laid out elements of the attacks faced by officers in alarming detail. More than 100 police officers were injured in the melee, including at least 15 officers who required hospitalization, according to court documents.


Even though the network is reporting the major questions surrounding the officer’s death, CNN contributors are still claiming that Sicknick was killed “in the January 6th terrorist attack,” though he died a day later and authorities don’t know how or why. Does that seem like good journalism to you? It’s clear that no matter what comes from this investigation, Officer Sicknick will be forever used to push the left’s narrative that a protest in which a tiny percentage of the attendees got out of control was a “violent terrorist attack” and an “insurrection.” Whether that is actually true doesn’t seem to matter. How do you like living in a post-truth reality?

Officer Sicknick is lying in honor in the Capitol.

My condolences to the Sicknick family. However he died—and maybe we’ll find out one day— it’s a sad loss. Rest in peace.


So a further piece of the Democrat lying narrative (and rationalization for a national lockdown on 74 million "white supremacist" Trump supporters) is falling apart.

Further, officer Brian Sicknick was a Trump supporter, who wrote multiple letters to House and Senate leaders about his outrage that Trump was being impeached in 2020, and appealing to them to stop the unwarranted impeachment procedure.

Again, I suspect that if Sicknick had been killed and it was an ACTUAL Trump supporter, that person would have been arrested a long time ago. Plenty of video and photos of the protest crowds and Sicknick clashing with them, plenty of people they could identify and pull in to interrogate to find out who any unknown person was inside the Capitol.
I think the 97% Democrat-donating FBI doesn't want to bring them in, because it doesn't fit their Bolshevik party's narrative.

Against your lying narrative that "right wing Trump supporters killed a police officer". That narrative is falling apart. That leaves **UNARMED* Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt who was killed by a Capitol police officer (incited by BLM leader John Sullivan), and three other people who died of medical emergencies that day, not the "5 killed by Trump supporter violence" liberal narrative.

Your side are such frigging liars.
And...


TWO KNOWN ANTIFA MEMBERS POSED AS PRO-TRUMPERS TO INFILTRATE CAPITOL RIOT



Just sayin'.
As I noted during the BLM protests there were those from the far right that actually killed cops and also participated in arson. That of course is worse than some guy filming trumpers during the riot but didn’t take away from those that were not right wing that were violent. Or from the much much larger groups that were peacefully protesting that trump (pos) called terrorists. The violent cop killing mob at the capitol though he called special and “we love you”. Anyways the arrest records are showing that it was Trumpers. Good time to crack down on those terrorists/right wing militias smile
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...At least 81 Capitol Police officers were assaulted during the siege of the Capitol, according to filings by federal prosecutors. The filings did not detail injuries sustained by officers, and a Capitol Police spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment on officer injuries.
About 65 D.C. police officers also suffered injuries on Jan. 6, including several concussions from head blows from various objects, including metal poles ripped from inauguration-related scaffolding and even a pole with an American flag attached, D.C. police officials have said. Other injuries included swollen ankles and wrists, bruised arms and legs, and irritated lungs from bear and pepper spray.


Reports say officers were pushed down stairs, trampled by rioters, punched and run over in a stampede.
“I’ve talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat,” acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said at a news conference earlier this month.
Police union says 140 officers injured in capitol riot

Trump’s special people that we love did that.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
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...At least 81 Capitol Police officers were assaulted during the siege of the Capitol, according to filings by federal prosecutors. The filings did not detail injuries sustained by officers, and a Capitol Police spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment on officer injuries.
About 65 D.C. police officers also suffered injuries on Jan. 6, including several concussions from head blows from various objects, including metal poles ripped from inauguration-related scaffolding and even a pole with an American flag attached, D.C. police officials have said. Other injuries included swollen ankles and wrists, bruised arms and legs, and irritated lungs from bear and pepper spray.


Reports say officers were pushed down stairs, trampled by rioters, punched and run over in a stampede.
“I’ve talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat,” acting D.C. police chief Robert J. Contee III said at a news conference earlier this month.
Police union says 140 officers injured in capitol riot

Trump’s special people that we love did that.

You're such a lying propagandist, M E M. You can't prove it was Trump supporters who did this. I already made clear that those arrested were from BLM and other fringe groups, and of 280 investigated and/or arrested, overwhelmingly they were for "criminal trespass" and other minor charges.

Those engaging in violence, whether Left or Right, were identified as separate fringe groups outside what could fairly be labelled as Trump supporters. Fringe groups who planned their violence up to a month before Jan 6th, and just infiltrated the peaceful Trump supporters as cover for their planned attacks.

You'e such a piece of shit to try and smear the entire Trump movement, to conflate them with these other known violent groups.
Anything to advance your lying Bolshevik cause, eh, M E M?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
As I noted during the BLM protests there were those from the far right that actually killed cops and also participated in arson. That of course is worse than some guy filming trumpers during the riot but didn’t take away from those that were not right wing that were violent. Or from the much much larger groups that were peacefully protesting that trump (pos) called terrorists. The violent cop killing mob at the capitol though he called special and “we love you”. Anyways the arrest records are showing that it was Trumpers. Good time to crack down on those terrorists/right wing militias smile

No.

The one group you linked were members of the Boogaloo movement, which you labelled falsely as "right wing", but who are in truth an anarchist group who have stated their hatred for Trump and Republicans. And the Boogaloo have worked with BLM, hardly making them "right wing". Against your slanders, they are decidedly left wing, anarchist at best.

Democrats and the liberal media exaggerate violence of conservatives, and even frame them for leftist violence, and completely ignore AN ENTIRE YEAR of BLM and Antifa looting and burning hundreds of cities nationwide.
And including an even worse storming of the Capitol by leftists during the Kavanaugh court nomination.
And the May siege on the White House by BLM/Antifa that injured over 50 Secret Service agents and DC police.

And, of course, the violent Democrat attacks on the 2001 inauguration day ceremony of George W. Bush, and the 2016 inauguration of Donald Trump.

https://www.oann.com/mainstream-med...ists-on-president-trumps-inauguration-2/

Selectively omitted from liberal media coverage, and CNN / MSNBC hyperventilating and outrage. One clip I watched showed liberal media coverage of calm 2016 inauguration protest crowds in the streets of Washington DC as aired on CBS, and in the next clip showed a burning limousine in OAN footage of the same scene, just a few feet out of view in the CBS footage. Just disgusting in its obscene selective omission and bias.
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DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA DENOUNCE OVERWHELMINGLY PEACEFUL PATRIOTIC TRUMP PROTESTORS, AND MINIMALIZE AND DEFEND ANTIFA AND BLM VIOLENCE, LOOTING AND BURNING OF HUNDREDS OF CITIES
https://www.oann.com/dems-msm-denounce-patriotic-protesters-defend-antifa-blm/
Yeah trying to kidnap a democrat governor and trying her for her crimes with an execution to follow screams left wing. Boogaloo Bois are pro-gun with a lot of white supremacy and very much against big government.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Yeah trying to kidnap a democrat governor and trying her for her crimes with an execution to follow screams left wing. Boogaloo Bois are pro-gun with a lot of white supremacy and very much against big government.

I don't think the Satanism of that rural Michigan group who plotted to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer can credibly be fronted to be a widely held belief among conservatives, among Republicans, among Trump supporters, or even among the wider Boogaloo movement. These wack jobs were in a class all their own. Let alone the idea that conservatives or Trump supporters would endorse kidnapping a governor. Much as you'd like to lyingly conflate that cel of lunatics with Trump supporters. That B.S. just doesn't fly.

As reported today on OAN News by Chanel Rion, the Boogaloo leader posted repeatedly on Facebook that he hates Trump and "most Republicans". And when someone else speculated that the Boogaloo movement infiltrated the Trump supporters at the Jan 6 rally, he confirmed that yes, they absolutely did.

The Boogaloos have a large branch with white supremacist tendencies and call for a race war, yes. But they are also anarchists, and also have ties and collaboration with BLM, and that is clearly not Trump supporters or conservatives. I would say the two defining traits of the Boogaloo movement is they are anarchists, and they are eager to engage in violence, for publicity and/or the sheer thrill of it. Which are again more radical leftist qualities.

The only one of the four groups at the Capitol on Jan 6 that seems to be more legitimately across-the-board "right wing" is the Oath Keepers militia. But none of these groups are Trump supporters, they all have their own agenda, and each of these groups have a long history of violence that long preceded Jan 6th. And clearly pre-planned their violence that day, and were not "incited" by Trump. As NYPD, FBI, DHS and Capitol police all verify from recorded surveillance of these groups' social media posts, they had preparation and were mobilizing their plans days or weeks before Trump said a word on Jan 6th.
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On the subject of a party openly and widely advocating violence against political leaders and party members they don't like....



That's y'know, in addition to FOUR YEARS of death threats and televised Democrat fantasies of attacking/killing Trump supporters and other Republicans, including many among the Democrat elected leadership (Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters, Ayanna Pressley, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, and countless others, pretty much the entire Democrat leadership) have voiced a desire for violence against Trump and Republicans. And quite frequently acted violently toward that end.
Biden specifically denounced the violence in Portland. It’s very easy to Google WB and Biden doesn’t call the violent people “special” “that we love” like trump did. One cop dead and many more injured and your guy tells the violent mob that their special, we love you.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Biden specifically denounced the violence in Portland. It’s very easy to Google WB and Biden doesn’t call the violent people “special” “that we love” like trump did. One cop dead and many more injured and your guy tells the violent mob that their special, we love you.

Those are your lying talking points, that I've already disproven above. There is NO EVIDENCE that anyone threw an extinguisher at officer Sicknick, let alone a Trump supporter. Hours of video surveillance, no scene that shows an extinguissher thrown at him. A lying Democrat talking point. Sicknick collaped unexplained at the police station hours after the riots, and died many hours after that at the hospital. They can only guess at the cause at this point. The only preson ACTUALLY killed that day was **UNARMED** Ashli Babbit, shot dead from 20 feet away by a Capitol police officer. The other three deaths that day were a guy in his 50's with a heart attack, another guy in his 50's with a heart attack, and a 34 year old girl who died receiving CPR after a seizure, all health problems, not due to violence.

And I've already detailed what Trump meant when he called his followers "special" all 74.3 million of them.
**NOT** the violent protesters as you insinuate. As I've said, the violent ones were 1) Antifa, 2) Boogaloo movement, 3) Proud Boys, and 4) Oath Keepers, **NOT** Trump supporters, but groups who all have individual long histories of violence that far precedes the Jan 6th protests. They planned their violence a month beforehand, as documented by NYPD, FBI, DHS, and Capitol police who were alerted to their online planned attacks, plans that far pre-dated Jan 6th and just used the Trump supporter protesters as cover to move among.

You're such a fucking liar, M E M.

Regarding Biden's remarks, iIf someone says ONE TIME a token statement of vaguely condemning violence, but the overwhelming majority of the time he either passively endorses it, or openly calls for violence himself, that one-time lying piece-of-shit hypocritical call for peace rings rather hollow.

'I'd beat the hell out of him' says Joe Biden of Trump


Biden: I wish I could take Trump behind the gym


There are dozens of quotes of Biden making uncivil calls for violence, particularly against Trump.
It's hardly a strain to find them.

And...

BIDEN AND TRUMP IN 2020 DEBATE: BIDEN: "I don't hold public office now..."


Well, Biden is president now.
So what has he done to stop the Portland violence, or any other BLM and Antifa / leftist violence continuing far beyond his inauguration in cities nationwide?

Far from civility and unity, or stopping violence, Biden is stoking a civil war.
He is purging the police and military of any Republicans.

He (and the puppetmasters behind him, who REALLY are running the show) are preparing to wage war on the half of the country that didn't vote for him, the same treatment Jews were given in Nazi Germany. Completely isolate his conservative opposition, purging them from government positions, and eventually put all conservatives in "re-education camps".
Or down the line JUST KILL ALL CONSERVATIVE DISSENTERS.

It seems to only be when Democrats are caught that they make a retraction and say "Ohhhh, we condemn violence".
But when they are asked candidly on a hidden camera, they make clear their REAL plans. And those plans are a French Revolution, a Stalinist or Maoist or Castro-like purge, and imprisonment or genocide of all who disagree with them.
Over and over we see this in what Democrats openly plan, when they think no cameras are on them.
In the Democrat leadership, in the liberal media, among big-tech Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Google executives and employees, among liberal teachers caught on camera in classrooms, among BLM and Antifa, and at the most grassroots Democrat level. This is what your vicious party openly plans.

Or in the words of Vice President Kamala Harris:
"It's going to continue right on up through election day, it will not stop, and it SHOULDN'T stop."

I'd also point out that about a dozen high-level staffers of Biden, and a dozen more among Kamala Harris' staff (who at the time were two separate campaigns, but with the same Bolshevik ideology) ALL supported legal funds to bail out the most violent criminal rioters of BLM during the summer 2020 protests. Because BLM /Antifa are a barely concealed arm of the Democrat party, the violent intimidation arm.
THAT is how much the Democrat leaders "oppose violence". Fanatics, one and all, from the top on down.
Does trump loving the violent mob and calling them special make his statement better? And we know how you really feel about fucking liars WB. You vote for them and would throw democracy aside to keep them in power.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Does trump loving the violent mob and calling them special make his statement better? And we know how you really feel about fucking liars WB. You vote for them and would throw democracy aside to keep them in power.


Repeating your lying programmed talking points doesn't make them any more true, M E M.

And by the way, you are conflating the entire 74.3 million Trump supporters with a few violent actors. A level of conflation and smear you fronted to condemn a few posts back.

The Trump supporters and Freedom Caucus people I support believe in the Constitution and rule of law.

As opposed to the Cultural Marxist Democrat-Bolsheviks you support, who see the Constitution as something that is in the way, as they pursue authoritarian control and smashing all dissenting thought, purging all Republicans from government, from law enforcement and from our military, until there is no one left but your Bolshevik party. From Bill and Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama, Bernie Sanders and the current Democrat Bolsheviks in the Biden White House, yours is a party that openly worships and adoringly quotes the likes of Mao, Castro, Che Gueverra, Hugo Chaves, Saul Alinsky and other authoritarian dictators and marxists.
IS IT ANY SURPRISE THAT THEY IMITATE THOSE AUTHORITARIAN TACTICS?

You keep deceitfully evading those facts, M E M.
How am I conflating? Trump did call the violent mob special and “we love you”. People that tried stopping the certification by force. I get why trump feels they are special and loves them but if you’re good with that don’t bother trying to say you believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. You clearly don’t in principle. I suggest you watch the impeachment trial. It’s not going to feel good but I think you might be missing some context.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
How am I conflating? Trump did call the violent mob special and “we love you”. People that tried stopping the certification by force. I get why trump feels they are special and loves them but if you’re good with that don’t bother trying to say you believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. You clearly don’t in principle. I suggest you watch the impeachment trial. It’s not going to feel good but I think you might be missing some context.


No, you're just lying.

Already asked and answered in my above posts. The people in Black Lives Matter, Antifa, the Boogaloo movement, Oath Keepers and Proud Boys are all separate groups from the Trump movement, who clearly are identified in advance reports by the NYPD, the FBI, DHS and Capitol police **A MONTH PRIOR** to the Jan 6th rally, as planning to use the Trump supporters' rally as cover for their violence. They were not part of the Trump supporters, and they planned their violence way before the rally, so they were not "incited" to violence by Trump.
Trump was addressing his ACTUAL supporters as special, **NOT** the leftist/terrorist infiltrators using them as cover and trying to frame them.


Every last talking point you fronted is a lie. In point of fact, BLM and the Boogaloos (anarchists, tied to BLM, with an expressed hatred for Trump, despite you labelling them as "conservatives") were clearly there to frame Trump supporters.
And at the very least, Oath Keepers and Proud Boys have a completely different motivating ideologies than the Trump supporters.

And regarding "Antifa is not confirmed to be there", as other terrorism experts and field reporters observed that day (two in OAN reports I've posted) have said that organized techniques of the more violent protesters, handing shields, water, pepper spay cans and other supplies back and forth over the heads of a dense crowd to a front line of their group fighting police, hand signals, using umbrellas to shield themselves from pepper spray and from cameras that could identify them, are all organized practices they have seen Antifa use in other protests and riots nationwide, and worldwide. So while the 97% Democrat-donating FBI says they did not detect Antifa there (and FBI head William Wray said in Senate hearings Antifa don't actually even exist, they're just an "idea" or an ideology) others identify Antifa as having been at the Capitol in large numbers on Jan 6th.

And as I've said repeatedly, while there were over 100,000 Trump-supporter protesters in the Washington mall and near the capitol that day, and under 300 of them were identified and arrested for lesser crimes like criminal trespass, stealing a podium and some of Pelosi's personal letters, and a few for smashing windows, the worst violence, including the *ONLY* killing that occurred that day of Ashli Babbitt, was orchestrated by BLM activists, ****pretending**** to be Trump supporters.
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NO CHARGES IN CRUMBLING BRAIN SICKNICK DEATH INVESTIGATION, AUTOPSY RESULTS STILL PENDING A MONTH LATER


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Media reports have been conflicting — unnamed law enforcement sources initially told outlets Sicknick was bludgeoned in the head by a fire extinguisher, while others speaking on condition of anonymity countered those claims, arguing there was no immediate evidence showing that Sicknick suffered any blunt force trauma.

As the autopsy results remain pending, investigators are also weighing the possibility that Sicknick could have died from exposure to a chemical irritant, such as bear mace or pepper spray. It also remains unclear whether Sicknick had any pre-existing conditions.


...In the only public statement issued by U.S. Capitol Police describing the circumstances surrounding his death, the department said Sicknick "passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty." He died at the hospital at approximately 9:30 p.m. the evening of Jan. 7.

Sicknick "was responding to the riots" on Jan. 6 at the U.S. Capitol and "was injured while physically engaging with protesters," the statement said. "He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries."

His eldest brother, Ken Sicknick, told ProPublica in an interview published Jan. 8 that Brian Sicknick had texted him on the night on Jan. 6 to tell him he had been pepper-sprayed but felt fine. He told the outlet his brother was dead by the next night, after suffering a stroke.

"He texted me last night and said, ‘I got pepper-sprayed twice,’ and he was in good shape," Ken Sicknick told the outlet over the phone, as the family drove toward Washington, D.C., from New Jersey. "Apparently he collapsed in the Capitol and they resuscitated him using CPR."

The family later received word that Brian Sicknick had a blood clot and had had a stroke and a ventilator was keeping him alive, Ken Sicknick told ProPublica. Authorities have not verified his account, and Ken Sicknick has not returned a Fox News request for comment.

Well, it took circumnavigating a lot of evasiveness by the police department, by the coroner's office, and of the reluctance of the liberal media to report it, but finally, over a month later, there it is.

They wanted to keep the deceitful liberal narrative alive, of "five people KILLED in Capitol insurrection", and "Trump's incitement caused his white supremacist racist supporters to KILL a police officer".

But let me peel away the sedimentary layers of Democrat and liberal media deception.

1) The only person KILLED was Ashli Babbitt by police, and the other four, now including officer Sicknick, died of either heart attacks or strokes. **NONE** of the deaths that day were a result of Trump supporter violence.

2) There are a number of groups identified as having pre-planned and orchestrated the violence, well in advance of the Jan 6th rally. So it clearly was not "incited" by Trump. Pre-planned means it was not incited. And these groups were BLM (leftist infiltrators pretending to be Trump supporters), the Boogaloo movement (BLM-connected leftist/anarchist infiltrators), Oath Keepers (a right wing militia, infiltrators), and Proud Boys (possibly right wing, but basically a group who like to start fights) , all of whom are separate groups from Trump supporters, each with a long history of violence, who hid among the Trump supporters, to hijack the rally for their own ADVANCE PLANNED purpose.

3) Trump supporters are not "white supremacist". Donald Trump has a Jewish son in law Jared Kushner, his daughter Ivanka has converted to Judaism, his grandchildren are Jewish, he has done more than any president before him to advance the friendship and security of Israel. Against the selective editing of the liberal media, Trump has condemned white supremacists and their violence on many occasions, including during the Charlottesville riots in 2017. Trump's policies as president have benefitted blacks, hispanics and asians disproportionately more than any other group, with the lowest unemployment recorded, highest rise in wages, and highest rise in home ownership for these demographic groups ever recorded.

Those are the proven facts.
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More on officer Brian Sicknick's death:


POST-IMPEACHMENT, N Y TIMES RETRACTS STORY ABOUT OFFICER BRIAN SICKNICK BEING KILLED BY TRUMP SUPPORTER WITH THROWN FIRE EXTINGUISHER


The narrative was no longer useful, so N Y TIMES admitted they had no facts and made it up all along with fake sources.

For those not keeping track "Five people KILLED by Trump supporters" actually turned out to be:
1 person shot and killed by Capitol police(Trump supporter and Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt)
3 people with health problems who died of strokes or heart attacks while receiving CPR (i.e., not violence, and all were Trump supporters, not "victims" of Trump supporters.)
1 Capitol police officer, Brian Sicknick, whose cause of death, despite the high profile of it, was oddly NOT sought in an autopsy, but is best guessed to be a stroke as well (and Sicknick was likewise also a Trump supporter, and despite the lying narrative, NOT a "victim" of Trump supporter violence.)

So... that highly incendiary disproven "FIVE people killed by Capitol violence" lying narrative turns out to be: ZERO people killed by Trump supporter violence.
And ONE Trump supporter killed, by a trigger-happy cop from at least 20 feet away (caught on video from several angles), who despite that he used excessive force that got someone killed, will not even be prosecuted. AND WILL NOT EVEN BE PUBLICLY NAMED !!!!!!!!!!!

As the above linked article makes pretty clear, multiple people in the print and broadcast news media, in the Capitol police department, in the coroner's office, and among the political leadership, apparently both establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans, conspired to hide the true facts, and did everything they could to prop up an angry false narrative as long as they could, flasely alleging that it was Trump and his supporters that caused these five deaths.

And that not one person was actually "KILLED" by Trump supporters.
Video of Trump ally Roger Stone flanked by oath keepers
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man


That's crap guilt by association.
Roger Stone answered that on another program I saw on Newsmax. He doesn't know the guys, with his life threatened, Stone hired one offered to him as a bodyguard.
You can find a photo of Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Adolf Hitler.
You can pull up a photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein.
You can pull up a photo of Jeff Sessions during a State Of The Union address where he was introduced (by a Democrat) to the Russian Ambassador and shook his hand for 5 seconds.
That doesn't mean any of these people photographed together know each other, or have any shared ideology.

As Stone said when interviewed about it, he's been destroyed financially and even had to sell his home to pay for his legal defense. He's not in a position to do thorough background checks on every person he hires just to protect his life from constant death threats.

That partisan article goes out of its way to imply associations, without ever going to the people involved to find out exactly what their true relationship is.

The "article" from ABC News calls Trump's assertion that the election was rigged a "false conspiracy theory" despite that there is considerable evidence and blatant videotaped evidence of thousands of fraudulent ballots snuch into Detroit, Atlanta, Phoenix and other vote centers, and thousands of affidavit-sworn witnesses to election fraud. "Unverfified" perhapss, but certainly not "false", except in a deceitful liberal narrative.

Originally Posted by from the ABC News hit piece
The Justice Department has aggressively gone after individuals who participated in the insurrection and continues to explore the role extremist groups may have played in coordinating the incursion that left five dead, including a Capitol police officer.

And yet not a word about Antifa and John Earle Sullivan, who was arrested by the FBI, with abundant self-incriminating videotape posted on Youtube and Facebook of his inciting and participating in violence, and directly inciting the ONLY murder at the Capitol that day, the shooting death of Ashli Babbitt.
And the deceitfully worded in the article, "the incursion that left five dead" fails to note that it was LEFT-wing Antifa that caused the only death, and that the other four were either heart attacks or strokes, including officer Brian Sicknick. And that ZERO of those deaths were caused by Trump supporters, Oath Keepers or any other "right wing" group.
That Ashli Babbitt was shot dead by a Capitol police officer from 25 feet away, that she was unarmed and clearly (in two separate videos, taken from two angles) NOT a threat to the officer or anyone else. And yet the officer iss not named, and the officer will not be charged. If Ashli Babbitt were a black Antifa member, cities nationwide would be burned in her name, and the media would not stop pushing until the officer who shot her was named and prosecuted.


And despite all the bias and insinuation, in the final paragraph:

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Stone has said he played no part in such an effort. None of the men seen with him in the video has been arrested.

"A careful review of my language of Jan. 5 indicates that I played no role whatsoever in advocating violence or any inappropriate or illegal activity," Stone said in the statement to ABC News in January. "Indeed anyone breaking into the U.S. Capitol, trespassing and destroying property would only be hurting the America First movement that I support."
Shocking that the pardoned criminal has a different story.
There’s more...
Six Oath Keepers who guarded Roger Stone stormed the Capitol
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Shocking that the pardoned criminal has a different story.
There’s more...
Six Oath Keepers who guarded Roger Stone stormed the Capitol


1) Stone was photographed with them at a hotel guarding him from death threats, miles from the Capitol, and left on a plane before it even began.

2) It's again guilt by association with no supporting facts. I could shake hands with Roger Stone and have someone take a photo. It wouldn't prove Roger Stone is a friend of mine, or that I have any political or social connections with him. All it would prove is he's a friendly guy who shook my hand.

3) If it were a "siege" or an "insurrection" or a "storming of the Capitol", Oath Keepers boasts of about 36,000 members nationwide (although federal agencies and SPLC estimate them to actually have less than 10,000 members) . If it were a military coup they would have come in with AR-15 rifles and grenades instead of tear gas and riot shields. They would have come in several thousand strong, fully armed, if it were a military coup and a serious attempt to capture the Capitol and/or take prisoners or hostages. No, despite the propaganda "insurrection" liberal media narrative, it was just a riot. With about 30 Oath Keepers at most. That's what Oath Keepers' own social media posts say they expected to show up on Jan 6th.

And the real violence, as I've said previously, was by John Earle Sullivan and his little band of Antifa/BLM infiltrators, *pretending* to be Trump supporters, who caused the ONLY killing that day. These Oath Keeper guys are heavy duty seasoned and decorated veterans, who could certainly take the Capitol building, if that were truly their intent.

But in any case, Roger Stone had no involvement, and he just accepted their offer to protect him as he left his hotel for the airport. As Stone himself said, he didn't even know the names of the guys protecting him, who turned out to be Oath Keepers.
And...


Democrats were for occupying capitols before they were against it

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opinion by Marc A. Thiessen


“Thousands of protesters rushed to the... Capitol Wednesday night, forcing their way through doors, crawling through windows and jamming corridors.” That is how one newspaper described the storming of the Capitol — not the one in Washington last week, but the state Capitol in Madison, Wis., a decade ago.

Back then, thousands of pro-union activists — many bused in from out of state — rampaged through the historic building in an effort to stop a vote on collective bargaining reform legislation. So, when I saw the images of a pro-Trump mob rampaging through the U.S. Capitol last week, my first thought was: What is Scott Walker thinking right now?
“It’s like I’m having PTSD from a decade ago,” the former Republican governor of Wisconsin texted me.

Most conservatives have condemned the right-wing mob that assaulted the U.S. Capitol.
But 10 years ago, Democrats embraced the left-wing mob that occupied the state Capitol in Madison. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) praised the occupiers for an “impressive show of democracy in action” and tweeted as they assaulted the Capitol that she continued “to stand in solidarity” with the union activists.
In other words, Democrats were for occupying capitols before they were against it.

Walker and I co-wrote a book, “Unintimidated‚” in which we described the attack on the Capitol in Madison. “Standing on the capitol steps at dusk, [Secretary of Administration] Mike Huebsch watched as an army of thousands formed on State Street and began marching toward him,” we wrote. “Soon they had descended on the building, banging on the doors and windows, chanting, ‘Let us in! Let us in!’ ­The small contingent of capitol police was quickly overwhelmed. Protesters ripped the hinges of an antique oak door at the State Street entrance and streamed inside. Mike watched in disbelief as the window to Democratic Representative Cory Mason’s office opened right in front of him and protesters began crawling into the building. Once inside, they began unlocking doors and bathroom windows until a sea of thousands had flooded the capitol.”

The police retreated in the face of the horde, giving up the first floor, then the second. “The protesters ran amok, chanting ‘­This is our house!’ and ‘This is what democracy looks like!’ ” we wrote. “And they then began searching for the Republican senators who had dared to defy the will of the unions.” As the crowd scoured the building looking for the offending legislators, police sneaked them out through an underground tunnel to a government building across the street. But a Democratic representative posted on social media that the Republican senators were escaping through the tunnels, so when the senators came up into the lobby, the mob was there waiting for them. ­

“The tall windows that framed the lobby were plastered with people yelling and banging on the glass,” we wrote. “They were trapped. ­The senators hid under a stairwell, out of view, while the police ordered a city bus to pull up in front of the building. Officers then formed a human wall on the sidewalk, parting the sea of protesters and creating a pathway for the senators to reach the bus.” ­Once the senators were on board, “the mob on the street began punching the windows and shaking the vehicle. … The police told the senators and staff inside to keep their heads down in case a window shattered.”

Thankfully, no one was killed. But during the course of the occupation, Walker received a steady stream of death threats against him and his wife, including one that promised to “gut her like a deer” and one threatening to kill his sons. Police found dozens of .22-caliber bullets scattered across the Capitol grounds. The occupiers drew chalk outlines of fake dead bodies etched with Walker’s name on the floor, and carried signs that read “Death to tyrants,” “The only good Republican is a dead Republican” and one with picture of him in crosshairs with the words, “Don’t retreat, Reload.”

I asked Walker this week what lessons we might take from the two occupations. “On the positive side,” he said, “the angry mobs did not deter elected officials from their responsibilities in either instance.” The Wisconsin legislature approved Walker’s bill in 2011, just as Congress reconvened to certify Joe Biden’s victory last week.

The good news is that our democracy has once again proved itself resilient against mob rule. The bad news is that some on the right now emulate the left-wing mob Nancy Pelosi celebrated and conservatives rightfully condemned in Madison a decade ago. That will be among President Trump’s most shameful legacies.

That Madison Capitol seizure 10 years ago seems to equal if not exceed what alleged Trump supporters did on January 6th ("alleged" because many indicted now include John Earle Sullivan of Antifa Salt Lake City, and dozens of others boasted on Sullivan's Antifa Facebook and Twitter pages that they were there in pro-Trump disguise as well).

I'd point out that Pelosi endorsed that violent mob as "an impressive show of democracy in action" that she was "in solidarity with", whereas Republicans across the board have condemned the group of alleged pro-Trump rioters inside the Capitol on Jan 6th.


I disagree with that last sentence by Thiessen about this staining Trump's legacy, Trump was clearly not responsible for it, the planning of it way preceded Trump's speech that day, and Trump instructed his supporters to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support", not to riot. But I guess that's the required narrative for Thiessen to insert, to be permitted to post a conservative opinion in the Washington Post.

But the rest of it is pretty spot on. There have been a lot of Democrat attacks on a lot of state buildings nationwide over the years. Without a whiff of Democrat condemnation.
No, FAR from Democrat condemnation. "Solidarity" !
Many of the local Democrat governments in liberal states won't even jail or prosecute Antifa or BLM. Staffers of Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris herself, set up legal funds to bail out Antifa rioters, even the ones with the most violent criminal records!
Oath Keeper claims she was VIP sec...ays she met with Secret Service agents
“ A leader in an alleged Oath Keepers conspiracy in the US Capitol insurrection claims she was given a VIP pass to the pro-Trump rally on January 6, had met with Secret Service agents and was providing security for legislators and others, including in their march to the Capitol, according to a new court filing.

Attorneys for Ohio Oath Keeper Jessica Watkins detail how the efforts among paramilitants who are now accused of conspiracy on January 6 were closer to the apparatus around then-President Donald Trump and his rally than was previously known.
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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Oath Keeper claims she was VIP sec...ays she met with Secret Service agents
“ A leader in an alleged Oath Keepers conspiracy in the US Capitol insurrection claims she was given a VIP pass to the pro-Trump rally on January 6, had met with Secret Service agents and was providing security for legislators and others, including in their march to the Capitol, according to a new court filing.

Attorneys for Ohio Oath Keeper Jessica Watkins detail how the efforts among paramilitants who are now accused of conspiracy on January 6 were closer to the apparatus around then-President Donald Trump and his rally than was previously known.
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CNN, anti-Trump propaganda spin central, with a long record of being factually wrong to the point of firing multiple CNN reporters...

Who ever heard of Oath Keepers before Jan 6th? Not many.

She was probably given a VIP pass based on her decorated veteran status, with no knowledge of her Oath Keepers membership. Oath Keepers up till now has been known as an organization made up current and former military and police veterans. Until Jan 6th, that would not have raised any flags. Despite what you and rabidly anti-Trump CNN would like to insinuate.
FBI refutes claims that Antifa added to Capitol violence

Militias and white supremacists trump supporters.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
FBI refutes claims that Antifa added to Capitol violence

Militias and white supremacists trump supporters.


FBI director Chrisopher Wray's testimony is absolute garbage. He bent over backward to avoid saying anything clearly enough to incriminate himself.

It's an absolute fact that Wray's own FBI arrested Antifa member John Earle Sullivan, and that Sullivan's own videos and social media accounts document Sullivan and others in his group dressing up and *PRETENDING* to be Trump supporters while committing vandalism and violence inside the Capitol on Jan 6th.
FACT.
FBI director Wray would be well advised to read his agency's own indictment of John Earle Sullivan, and look at the abundant evidence he pretends doesn't exist.

Wray also denies that Al Qaida and ISIS are actual terrorist groups, that they are an "idea", an ideology, and not actual terror groups.

Likewise Christopher Wray's opinion in past Senate hearings on Antifa and Black Lives Matter. But regardless of these evasions and lies by Wray, the rest of us know the truth: As long as Wray denies the truth that these groups exist, his 97% Democrat-donating FBI has the wiggle room to not round up the members of these groups, so they can remain an intimidation arm of the Democrat party.
What FBI and DHS officials testifying yesterday and today absolutely refuse to acknowledge:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Earle_Sullivan


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ACTIVISM

Sullivan started attending Black Lives Matter (BLM) protests from June 2020. According to Lex Scott, the founder of Black Lives Matter-Utah, none of the activists knew him before that.[7] He also has engaged in anti-government commentary, calling for burning down the current political system and replacing it with another system, so it benefits the people and grants them more freedoms.[3]

Sullivan founded Insurgence USA, a group participating in the protests against police violence. The group's web site says it was founded "in response to the George Floyd tragedy" to "end police brutality" and "empower and uplifting black and indigenous voices".[10][non-primary source needed] Sullivan organized events in Provo, Utah. In one event, he invited the Proud Boys to speak to the black activists.

He also organized another event, a counter-protest to a pro-police event on June 29, 2020,[11][12][13][14] where a Back the Blue protest was held consisting of a number of vehicles driving around the Provo police station. Sullivan and others organized a counter-protest blocking vehicles. At the protest, shots were fired into a vehicle and one driver was injured. One man, Jesse Taggart, was charged with attempted murder.[15][16] According to a police affidavit after the shooting, Sullivan damaged vehicles and cooperated with Insurgence USA to recruit protesters for a protest. Sullivan indicated that he thought the driver who was shot at was trying to run over protesters.[17][18]

On July 22, 2020, Sullivan held a solo, armed protest at the Utah State Capitol, carrying an AR-15. The protest lasted a couple of hours, during which he was confronted by twenty armed men from Utah Citizens' Alarm.[19][20]

Sullivan was treated with suspicion in left-wing activist circles. Labor activist Talia Jane said he is "reviled throughout the activist space", and noted he had been escorted from a December 12 event at Black Lives Matter Plaza after he was identified.[3] Many suspected him to be a double agent working for law enforcement. An activist from Portland warned people not to trust him, after he got local activists arrested in September 2020 by leading them down a wrong route and into a police kettle. Anonymous activists from Seattle published a memo in November 2020 accusing him of being an agent provocateur, pointing to his getting activists arrested or exposing their identities. Activists noted that his brother is a pro-Trump supporter, a supporter of the "Blexit" movement and speaking at a Proud Boys rally. After a man was shot in Provo during the protests in summer 2020, a right-wing militia started appearing to police Sullivan's group. During one of his rallies, Sullivan handed the microphone to a Proud Boys member. According to Lex Scott, he [Sullivan] told them [Proud Boys] that his group [BLM-Utah] wanted to work with them [Proud Boys], which led to other left-wing activists refusing to work with him [Sullivan]. He [Sullivan] later got his group firearms training. As he [Sullivan] began carrying assault rifles to protest, this invited hostility from both the right and the left.[3][7]

Others believe Sullivan exploited the racial justice movement for self-gain. Lex Scott [of Proud Boys] said that Sullivan seemed to have "a death wish" as he thought it would be "cool, or amazing, if he was killed at a protest and it started a revolution". She [Lex Scott] has also denied Sullivan is a member of BLM-Utah and expressed suspicions of his seeking fame, adding he [Sullivan] never attended any BLM meetings nor worked alongside them to advance their agenda. The Salt Lake Tribune reporter Robert Gehrke also stated that he had been selling merchandise and indulging in self-promotion on many websites; his Insurgence USA website sells protest-related gear, such as black clothing, gloves, and gas masks, branded "bloc gear collective".[3][7] In Signal chat groups, Sullivan would discuss himself from various sock puppet accounts.[6]

J. Hoberman, a film critic writing in Artforum, reviewed Sullivan's film Shooting and Storming of the US Capitol in Washington DC, describing it as "cinema as forensic evidence" and comparing it to the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination.[21] Parts of the footage were used in the Second impeachment trial of Donald Trump.



2021 STORMING OF THE U.S. CAPITOL


During the storming of the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, Sullivan entered the building with documentary filmmaker Jade Sacker and took extensive video, including video of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt.[2][1][22][23] Sullivan could be heard saying "Dude, this shit’s gonna go viral" after Babbit's death.[6]
Sacker, a Los Angeles-based independent documentary filmmaker,[24] was filming John Sullivan as part of a documentary on him and his brother, James.[25]

Sullivan later spoke to police and FBI agents about the shooting.[26] His involvement in the riots was cited by pro-Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani and The Gateway Pundit as part of a conspiracy theory alleging antifa's involvement in the riots.[27]

After the Capitol storming, Sullivan said he is not affiliated with BLM or Antifa, nor with the pro-Trump crowd, although he supports Black Lives Matter. When asked about the use of antifa hashtags in his social media posts, he rejected being associated with the group, but has stated that he, along with his group, is anti-fascist. He also has called himself a citizen journalist. Saying he was at the Capitol storming as a photojournalist, he filmed himself chanting "we about to burn this shit down" and "we accomplished this shit. We did this together. Fuck yeah! We are all a part of this history", "We gotta get this shit burned", and "It's our house, motherfuckers!" He also used a megaphone and shouted support. He said that he only said and did these things to "blend in" with the pro-Trump mob.[7][13][3][28] His brother, James Sullivan, said that he sent the FBI tips about John Sullivan about a week after the storming.[6]

On January 13, 2021, an arrest warrant with three counts related to the DC riot was signed by a magistrate judge. The affidavit was based on work by the Counterterrorism Section of the United States Department of Justice National Security Division and the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. The affidavit stated that Sullivan entered the Capitol's west side by climbing through a broken window. He later approached another window and a knocking noise was heard, after which it was broken. Sullivan stated, "I broke it. My bad, my apologies. Well they already broke a window, so you know, I didn't know I hit it that hard. No one got that on camera." One charge, "40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(D)", is a specific crime of entering or remaining in the House of Congress without authorization. He also offered a knife to the protestors while they tried to break a window.[29][30][31][32][33] In the video, he also asks the police to not obstruct the protestors as he doesn't want any harm to come to them.[28] The arrest document also stated he had made a statement outside the Capitol about "burning this shit down" and "ripping Trump out of office" during a speech he made in August 2020 while pointing to the White House.[34][35]

Sullivan was arrested in Tooele County, Utah and appeared before a judge on January 15, 2021. Two computers, two cell phones, and camera equipment were siezed by the FBI. He was released with strict pre-trial conditions.[6][13][36][37] An FBI affidavit disputes the claim he was a photojournalist, as he had no press credentials.[2]

Federal authorities had not identified Sullivan as anti-fascist[5] and the FBI had announced on January 8 there was no evidence of Antifa involvement in the siege.[38] BLM Utah had for months disassociated itself from Sullivan on concerns that he might be associated with the Proud Boys.[39][40]


Sullivan's own videos posted all over social media, of himself gloating about putting on clothing posing as a Trump supporter, and alternately putting on a camera and posing as an uninvolved/neutral "journalist", show that he clearly identifies as a BLM activist. I've also seen articles and video that identify Sullivan as Antifa.

Further, on Sullivan's various social media websites with his posts and videos, there are **dozens** of other BLM and Antifa activist comments, who openly gloat that they disguised themselves as Trump supporters to participate in the violence right by Sullivan's side on Jan 6th.

Watching the hearings right now on OAN, the assistant FBI director of counter-terrorism Jill Sanborn (answering Sen. Ron Johnson, R-WI ) just said that **NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM WAS RECOVERED FROM THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th **[. That they have made "over 300 arrests", with no clarification of how many are for violent offenses, and how many are for just "trespassing" or otherwise simply being inside the Capitol, **NOT** for violent offenses. From other sources, we know it is less than 50 arrests for violent offenses.

So this was not an insurgency, not a coup, and not a "storming" of the Capitol as the Democrat narrative tries to portray.
Senator Amy Klobuchar is pushing hard to portray it as a "white racist" paramilitary insurrection, and there is no evidence of that either. She simultaneously makes clear while questioning officials of FBI, DHS, Pentagon bureaucrats and the commanding Washington DC National Guard general on Jan 6th, that advance information shows the riots that day were pre-planned, and then almost in the same sentence lyingly insinuates Donald Trump somehow "incited" the violence. It's like attempting to nail jello to the wall trying to get a straight and coherent answer out of these bureaucrats, how they try to be as vague as possible to avoid saying anything self-incriminatingly lucid.

The evidence is that the Capitol police chief was frantic for National Guard to send reinforcements which he requested SIX TIMES, but the General in charge of the DC National Guard called and spoke to the Washington DC Mayor and police chief, and the Pentagon generals above himself, especially chief of staff Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, directors of the Army for the Joint Chiefs, who were reluctant to send reinforcements because the "optics" would look bad, or might incite the mob. His deputy assistant chief of staff Lt.Gen Charles A. Flynn was on several of the calls[/url], and said he needed Piatt's authority to authorize any deployment of troops. Which is horseshit, a show of strong military presence is always a deterrant to violence. As I've seen it, the Sgt. at Arms of the Senate, the Sgt. arms of the House, and Nancy Pelosi herself were the ultimate authorities that declined the request for reinforcements that were offered to them.

This much is absolutely true: Donald Trump personally requested 10,000 National Guard troops, to insure the peace and safety of events on Jan 6th.
And ironically it is Trump, who requested troops that were denied, who the piece of shit Democrats are trying to blame !
NYT: Cellphone Data Tie Proud Boys Member With Trump White House Before Capitol Riot


“ Federal law enforcement officials have uncovered a contact between former President Donald Trump’s White House and a member of the far-right nationalist group the Proud Boys mere days before the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. The FBI obtained “location, cellular, and call record data” that revealed the information, reports the New York Times, citing an unnamed source who was briefed on the investigation. The FBI hasn’t been able to figure out what the two discussed and the source wouldn’t reveal any names of the people on either end of the call.

Word on the call comes as the leader of the group, Enrique Tarrio, confirmed he called Trump associate Roger Stone days before the assault on the Capitol. Tarrio called during a protest in front of Sen. Marco Rubio’s home and he put Stone on speaker phone to talk to the demonstrators. An official said that wasn’t the call in question. That means two members of the Proud Boys were in touch with people associated with the White House, illustrating how extremist groups had ties to people close to the Trump administration.
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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
NYT: Cellphone Data Tie Proud Boys Member With Trump White House Before Capitol Riot


“ Federal law enforcement officials have uncovered a contact between former President Donald Trump’s White House and a member of the far-right nationalist group the Proud Boys mere days before the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. The FBI obtained “location, cellular, and call record data” that revealed the information, reports the New York Times, citing an unnamed source who was briefed on the investigation. The FBI hasn’t been able to figure out what the two discussed and the source wouldn’t reveal any names of the people on either end of the call.

Word on the call comes as the leader of the group, Enrique Tarrio, confirmed he called Trump associate Roger Stone days before the assault on the Capitol. Tarrio called during a protest in front of Sen. Marco Rubio’s home and he put Stone on speaker phone to talk to the demonstrators. An official said that wasn’t the call in question. That means two members of the Proud Boys were in touch with people associated with the White House, illustrating how extremist groups had ties to people close to the Trump administration.
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This is just another red herring by the New York Times, to re-direct attention away from

1) the fact that John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa group were at the center of the very worst violence that occurred on Jan 6th, where the ONLY person was murdered that day.
and
2) the fact that the "FIVE PEOPLE KILLED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST RACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS" has shattered, and even the piece-of-shit New York Times has been forced to retract that narrative. The "FIVE PEOPLE KILLED BY TRUMP SUPPORTERS" has turned out to be four people who died of strokes and heart attacks, and one Trump supporter (Ashli Babbitt) shot dead for no good reason by a Capitol police officer.
For those paying attention, that means:
**ZERO** people killed by Trump supporters, only one Trump supporter killed by a trigger-happy cop, WHO WILL NOT BE PROSECUTED, AND WILL NOT EVEN BE NAMED !!!

Whatever alleged phone calls happened between Proud Boys and whoever, that's just smoke and mirrors to hide the above FACTS. Roger Stone was given a security escort to the airport well before any of the rioting began on Jan 6th. That's the full extent of his involvement. The rest is just a NY Times/Bolshevik narrative, to try and change the subject from their paper's PROVEN false reporting for the last 8 weeks.

It's over 2 months now since events of Jan 6th at the Capitol. And I think we've learned as much as the FBI and the Captiol Police want us to know. And they have been trying to hide the true facts I just cited above. Police officer Brian Sicknick (who was a Trump supporter by the way, who wrote multiple letters to Senators and Congressmen in opposition to the Democrats' Jan 2020 attempt to impeach Trump) was first alleged to haave been "KILLED" by a Trump supporter. Facts revealed by other officers and by Sicknick's family finally revealed that he collapsed hours later, AFTER the riots, at the police station, and was rushed to the hospital.
And weeks later it was revealed (reluctantly) that Brian Sicknick's appeared to be a stroke (although his brother told a reporter that on Jan 8th), and that despite video of hours of security camera footage of Sicknick and other officers clashing with rioters inside the Capitol, there is not one point where an extinguisher is ever seen thrown at Sicknick. And despite the medical opinion that it was a stroke, medical examiners still say Sicknick's determined cause of death is still pending! Despite that they rushed to cremate his body.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?!?!?!?
No, it sure as hell doesn't.
It says that Democrat partisans in the FBI, Capitol Police, and the coroner's office are trying to hide the truth. And the fact that they cremated Sicknick's body before determining a cause of death, and yet are still keeping his official cause of death as "yet to be determined" has a clear political motivation.

And what exactly did the Proud Boys do that was so terrible on Jan 6th?
The worst violence was by BLM/Antifa that got Ashli Babbit killed. John Earle Sullivan led the rioting and destruction that led to her death. Aside from that, the most organized violence was by 30 or so people in the Oath Keepers group. As FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism Jill Sanborn admitted (not freely, but only when asked directly by Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI) THERE WAS NOT ONE GUN FOUND OR CONFISCATED IN OR AROUND THE CAPITOL ON JAN 6th !
Further, Sanborn admitted that the only gun fired that day was a Capitol police officer, who shot and killed Ashli Babbitt.

There was no "insurrection", there was no "storming of the Capitol", there was no organized "armed" military coup to kill or kidnap House and Senate members. That's all proven to be false narrative now, every last bit of it.
There were just some rioters shouting in the Capitol halls, rushing a few officers, smashing some windows, to try and intimidate House and Senate members, and express their outrage. And likely none of them would have done the little vandalism they did if they were not unkowingly led by John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa infiltrators, *PRETENDING* to be Trump protestors. THAT is the narrative the New York Times is trying to hide with this latest Roger Stone canard. Par for the course from the New York Times, to try and re-direct the narrative yet again.
I’ve watched the videos of trumpers attacking the Capitol. You are not going to spin it away. I expect it will be in many campaign ads in 2 years. And correct me if I’m wrong but to this day Trump hasn’t expressed even pretend regret over his “special people” trying to stop the certification of the election.
Trump’s acting Defense Secretary says his Jan 6th speech incited capitol rioters

The defense secretary is Lloyd Austin, another Democrat-idealogue politician who pretends to be a soldier, what are you babbling about?

CNN is just rabidly anti-Trump Pravda, not actual news.

That hit-piece also ignores that despite this turncoat's out-of-his-ass opinion, the records of FBI, DHS and Capitol police all CLEARLY show the attacks were
pre-planned as much as a month before Jan 6th, so it's just more propaganda to allege that it's Trump's fault. It was planned way before anything Trump said.
And as I've made clear repeatedly there was nothing in Trump's speech that "incited", no rhetoric that hundreds of other Democrats and Republicans have not similarly used almost verbatim the same in speeches on the Washington mall over many years, as Trump did on Jan 6th. Trump urged his supporters to show strength and "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice their support."

I can only guess that former defense secretary Christopher Miller is auditioning for a consultant job at CNN, to say something so in opposition to the facts.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I’ve watched the videos of trumpers attacking the Capitol. You are not going to spin it away. I expect it will be in many campaign ads in 2 years. And correct me if I’m wrong but to this day Trump hasn’t expressed even pretend regret over his “special people” trying to stop the certification of the election.



I'ver de-constructed your lying narrative multiple times already, in this and other topics on the subject. Trump has nothing to apologize for, he did nothing wrong. He repeatedly instructed the protestors to protest PEACEFULLY.
There is a lot of narrative you try to gloss over while slandering Trump, such as the fact that many protestors entered the building with police letting them in, and no violence. In the only cases of REAL violence, John Earle Sullivan and his group of Antifa/BLM infiltrators, *PRETENDING* to be Trump supporters, and openly gloating about doing so, ON VIDEO, which the FBI used to arrest him and make a case against him. There were 5 poeple who died on Jan 6th, and this group of leftists were at the center of it all, smashing windows, committing violence, and inciting others to violence. When the *ONLY* person was killed that day (5' 2" Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt) , Sullivan and his group were at the center of it, inciting it, causing it to happen. She was shot and killed by a Capitol police officer that Sullivan's comments (ON VIDEO) made trigger happy.

And of the lying narrative of "FIVE PEOPLE KILLED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS", there were exactly **ZERO** who were killed by Trump supporters. Four died of strokes or heart attacks, including officer Brian Sicknick (who was a strong Trump supporter by the way). And the only person actually "KILLED" was Ashli Babbit, *NOT* by a Trump supporter, but by a Capitol police officer, who was directly incited by John Earle Sullivan (ON VIDEO, VIDEO POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA) just a few feet away, inciting the officers.

So spare me the B.S. about how Trump is "responsible". Beyond bumper sticker slogans, you can't make a logical case for Trump causing it. The evidence is that planning of the riots **FAR** preceded anything Trump said on Jan 6th.
And what Trump did say on Jan 6th was only to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically" express support for House and Senate members legally challenging the election result.

The people who rioted are part of fringe groups like Antifa, BLM, Proud Boys, Boogaloos (the latter tied to BLM), and Oath Keepers, all of which have years of violent history long before Jan 6th, and arguably not even Trump supporters, just groups using the Trump protestors as cover for their own agenda.
As FBI, DHS and Capitol police all documented days before the Jan 6th protests, from these groups' online communications.

I say it again: What happened on Jan 6th doesn't even rise to the level of violence in a typical BLM or Antifa protest. The BLM seige in May 2020 on the White House that forced Secret Service to evacuate the president, or the sieges on federal buildings EVERY NIGHT FOR OVER 3 MONTHS are far worse.

Or the leftist/Democrat violence at the Madison, Wisconsin capitol 10 years ago I posted an article recently about. Where legislators were led away to escape on a bus, and were in true danger that didn't exist for House and Senate legislators on Jan 6th.

Your side exaggerates Jan 6th way beyond reality, and twists the narrative, while ignoring **ACTUAL** insurgency and violence and attempts to kill federal officials *EVERY NIGHT* for months, that have caused dozens of innocent people to die.
The pieces of shit on your side literally burned whole blocks and businesses in 275 cities, including over 500 businesses in just your own native Minneapolis.

Jan 6th was a few broken windows and minor vandalism in ONE building, and House and Senate members were back completing their business in joint session less than 3 hours later. As contrasted witht he thousands of business owners who had their stores looted and burned to the ground. And the tens of thousands who worked for them who permanently lost their jobs as a result of the destruction. And dozens of federal agents who in multiple attempts by BLM and Antifa in Seattle and Portland were almost burned to death, INTENTIONALLY, by BLM/Antifa maniacs who purposely tried to deliberately trap and burn federal agents to death in federal buildings attacked.

I could quote verbatim from Youtube video comments (and already have here, on multiple occasions) where the likes of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Ayannna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and others have UNQUESTIONABLY incited violence directly with their rhetoric, that in the cases of some Antifa/BLM they were repeating as they shot up federal buildings or ICE compounds or Border Patrol stations. Rhetoric that none of these Democrats want to respond to their own words inciting.
And nor do you, M E M.
You're as bad as them for fronting their lying murderous narrative. These people truly want to destroy this country. And apparently, so do you.
You’re deconstruction was bullshit though. No matter how much you repeat it there is still the videos of Trump’s special people feeling so full of entitlement as they beat on officers with American flags and spray them with chemicals and pelt them with whatever. Shit was smeared on the walls of the capitol while confederate flags proudly waved.

I know how much you really support democracy now. The country knows it too
Sicknick investigation continues with multiple charges brought against two in connection with attacks. No murder charges as of yet, but that seems a possibility still considered some of the charges seem to be "with a deadly weapon" type stuff.
Originally Posted by iggy
Sicknick investigation continues with multiple charges brought against two in connection with attacks. No murder charges as of yet, but that seems a possibility still considered some of the charges seem to be "with a deadly weapon" type stuff.


How do you still investigate the cause of death AFTER the autopsy? After the almost immediate CREMATION? The autopsy determines the cause of death, yes? Unless there is a desire by Democrats to create a political fog of slander, even after the autopsy. And if there was any question of the cause of death, why would they immediately cremate Sicknick's body? That again manifests a secretive motive to leave the door open, to twist the narrative.

As I quoted earlier, Sicknick's own brother said it appeared to be a stroke that killed him. Could it have been bear spray that contributed to his death? (For those not in the know, a stronger version of mace or pepper spray, that will more greatly immobilize them from attacking the person who sprayed it. Presumably for people to use in the wilderness to defend themselves against bears that might attack.)
Sicknick could have reacted so strongly to the bear spray that he had a stroke, but that's still wild speculation, good luck proving that's what killed him. But the fact is, if a reaction to the bear spray is what killed him it seems odd that he continued fighting protesters for hours after sprayed, and only collapsed about 6 hours later, away from the Capitol, after returning to the police station. Good luck ever proving that was the cause. And I'd like to know if there are any other examples of people having a stroke after being administered bear spray. Let alone hours later.

Again, I find it highly suspect that Sicknick was cremated immediately after his autopsy, despite that there was question about the cause of death, and despite that it was such a controversial and nationally visible death. I'd like to know the party affiliation of those in the coroner's office who are keeping it open to speculation, and I'd lay money they are Democrats who did it to ambiguously serve their narrative.
Sidney Powell argues in new court ... would believe her election fraud claims

I think a lot of people believed her lies. Trump certainly found her useful.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Sidney Powell argues in new court ... would believe her election fraud claims

I think a lot of people believed her lies. Trump certainly found her useful.


Powell is a highly accomplished lawyer, and not a stupid or deceitful person.

What she said is that she had a huge volume of leads, "like trying to catch water from a fire hose" the volume of leads reported to her, that she did not have the resources to investigate all of them herself, and therefore not conclusive. But certainly, enough leads to warrant a large-scale investigation of a massive conspiracy to rig the Nov 2020 election. And from the opposing side of Dominion Voting Systems to intimidate into silence any who push for that investigations by serving all exposing that election fraud to billion-dollar lawsuits. And that is certainly what has happened to Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and dozens of other lawyers and public officials nationwide who have pushed for that investigation. And Fox News, Newsmax and One America News.

There is a difference between Powell saying none of it is true (which she did not), and saying that the sampling of evidence she was able to find and make public warrants a much larger investigation (which she did) to fill in the gaps she could not fully investigate on her own. She is saying this for legal reasons, because Dominion, a multi-billion-dollar corporation is putting a gun to her head, trying to crush her with their unlimited cash for lawsuits against her. The same reason Fox News, Newsmax, and OAN are backing off. Not because they are wrong, but because Dominion can put a huge financial dent in them, regardless of right or wrong.
The same way National Periodical Publications drove Fawcett out of business with their deeper pockets for litigation in 1953, and then once bankrupting Fawcett, DC began publishing Captain Marvel themselves. Not because they were right, but just because they could.
Powell is a lying hag that deserves to be held legally accountable...
“ Statements like "President Trump was the better candidate," or "I don't trust voting machines" express opinions. Statements that "up to 7 million votes were switched from President Donald Trump to Biden via rigged election software," or that Dominion is tied to former Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez, on the other hand, are factual in nature because they are capable of being proven or disproven with evidence. Factual statements, when false and when made with knowledge or recklessness as to their falsity, can be the basis for a defamation claim.
Powell was even put on notice that her statements were contrary to all available evidence and were considered by Dominion to be defamatory when Dominion sent Powell a "cease and desist" letter in December, demanding a public retraction.
Powell did not retract her statements; in fact she made additional claims about having evidence of fraud even though courts had already rejected her lawsuits for, among other reasons, failing to provide any evidence of fraud. This underscores yet again the fallacy of Powell's defense here: a claim for which evidence can exist to prove or disprove the claim is not, by its nature, an opinion at all.
There is little question about what Powell and certain of her colleagues were trying to do by spreading these lies. They were not, as Powell now claims, merely offering their own opinions about what may have happened during the 2020 election, and they were not just previewing legitimate lawsuits that had been filed. They were doing everything in their power to convince Trump's supporters that the election was stolen from him through fraud.


They created and fed the big lie. The big lie harmed Dominion and others who were the subjects of false statements, damaged voters' confidence in our government and electoral systems, and motivated thousands of Trump supporters to come to the Capitol on January 6 where hundreds of them engaged in a violent insurrection. This -- not the mythical Kraken -- is what Powell and her cohorts helped unleash. And if this latest filing is any indication, at least as far as harm to Dominion Voting Systems is concerned, it looks like Powell may actually be held accountable.”
Sidney Powell's ridiculous defense in big lie case
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Powell is a lying hag that deserves to be held legally accountable...

Wow, not at all personal. Why would I question your unhinged lack of objectivity?

Originally Posted by M E M
“ Statements like "President Trump was the better candidate," or "I don't trust voting machines" express opinions. Statements that "up to 7 million votes were switched from President Donald Trump to Biden via rigged election software," or that Dominion is tied to former Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez, on the other hand, are factual in nature because they are capable of being proven or disproven with evidence. Factual statements, when false and when made with knowledge or recklessness as to their falsity, can be the basis for a defamation claim.
Powell was even put on notice that her statements were contrary to all available evidence and were considered by Dominion to be defamatory when Dominion sent Powell a "cease and desist" letter in December, demanding a public retraction.
Powell did not retract her statements; in fact she made additional claims about having evidence of fraud even though courts had already rejected her lawsuits for, among other reasons, failing to provide any evidence of fraud. This underscores yet again the fallacy of Powell's defense here: a claim for which evidence can exist to prove or disprove the claim is not, by its nature, an opinion at all.
There is little question about what Powell and certain of her colleagues were trying to do by spreading these lies. They were not, as Powell now claims, merely offering their own opinions about what may have happened during the 2020 election, and they were not just previewing legitimate lawsuits that had been filed. They were doing everything in their power to convince Trump's supporters that the election was stolen from him through fraud.


They created and fed the big lie. The big lie harmed Dominion and others who were the subjects of false statements, damaged voters' confidence in our government and electoral systems, and motivated thousands of Trump supporters to come to the Capitol on January 6 where hundreds of them engaged in a violent insurrection. This -- not the mythical Kraken -- is what Powell and her cohorts helped unleash. And if this latest filing is any indication, at least as far as harm to Dominion Voting Systems is concerned, it looks like Powell may actually be held accountable.”
Sidney Powell's ridiculous defense in big lie case

DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS' OWN ACTIONS harmed Dominion.

Their corrupt ties to Georgia officials who are now Dominion executives or Dominion lobbyists, harmed Dominion.
Dominion's lack of lack of transparency or availability to media questions, hurt Dominion.
The fact that Dominion shared office space and an address with Soros-funded leftist groups, HARMED DOMINION.

About 300 Dominion employees who *ALL* posted rabidly pro-BLM, pro-Antifa, rabidly anti-Trump posts on Facebook and Twitter, HARMED DOMINION. The fact that they all closed their social media accounts and went into hiding unavailable for any media questions, harmed Dominion.

The fact that Dominion's vice president and chief of cyber-security Eric Coomer had rabidly anti-Trump/anti-Republican posts all over social media, and participated in Zoom calls with Antifa, and when asked by others concerned Trump would win re-election, said "Trump won't win re-election, I made fucking sure of that," HARMED DOMINION. The fact this person then closed all his social media accounts to conceal his self-incriminating rabidly leftist pro-Antifa words and went into hiding unavailable for media questions, also harmed Dominion.

The fact that every permitted examination of Dominion voting system machines, in New Hampshire, in Michigan, in Georgia, in Arizona, have **ALL** shown discrepancies in votes, ALL reveal thousands of flipped votes, *ALL* flipping 3 to 6 % of Republican votes to Democrats, HARMED DOMINION.



All of these things occurred independently of anything said by attorney Sidney Powell.
Who again, preceding the election, has been for decades a highly accomplished U.S. attorney, a special investigator in the Bill Clinton Whitewater investigation, and has successfully reversed multiple cases before the U.S. Supreme Court, on behalf of wrongly convicted Enron and Arthur Andersen executives who needlessly spent years in federal prison. And just prior to the 2020 election, Powell successfully ended the FBI prosecution of Michael Flynn, exposing the rabid Democrat partisanship of the judge involved in the case, and the corrupt Democrat-controlled FBI that was fanatical about maliciously prosecuting Flynn, despite the judge and the FBI's clear prosecutorial misconduct.

CNN is partisan and rabidly pro-Democrat, and as trustworthy as a press release from Pravda or the Chinese Communist Party. A CNN link to "evidence" is worthless. Many others, not just Sidney Powell, have made the point that the Nov 2020 election coup was a Democrat collaboration with the Chinese Communist Party and an army of Chinese hackers who altered the vote, WITH DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS, to hand an unearned election victory to Joe Biden.

There are multiple others who have independently confirmed much of what Sidney Powell has said. In the 2-hour documentary released by Mike Lindell (a k a the MyPillow Guy) multiple cyber-security experts show their evidence to that effect, one of them retired U.S. Army colonel Phil Waldron who was contracted to investigate Dominion Systems' voting machine security for the government prior to the election, and Col. Waldron was alarmed at the visible breeches, and even more so that many he appealed to in federal government brushed aside his warnings, and were hell-bent on allowing those breeches to remain open to corrupt the election.
https://michaeljlindell.com/
As I've linked before, some of these, and hundreds of other witnesses to election fraud, testified in televised state legislative election hearings, in all six of the contested states.

Despite being wrong, Dominion is attempting with billion-dollar lawsuits to intimidate those exposing the truth, to make investigators and witnesses back off their truthful exposure of Dominion with the facts, or be bankrupted in litigation by Dominion. As I said before, that is precisely what National Periodical Publications did to Fawcett in the 1940's, and once they bankrupted Fawcett, they bought the rights to CAPTAIN MARVEL and published it themselves. That's not right or truthful, that's just an abuse of money and power. To bury the truth.
Just being honest about a hag who tried to throw my vote away with her lies. It’s was to be expected that she would go with the “no rational person” defense that is a staple of the entertainers on FOX.
Sidney Powell gets 100,000 bill from Wisconsin

Gosh maybe Trump turd could lend her some of that money his sheep donated to him for this court stuff.

Glad she’s getting all these opportunities to present under oath some of that rock solid evidence, lol.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Just being honest about a hag who tried to throw my vote away with her lies. It’s was to be expected that she would go with the “no rational person” defense that is a staple of the entertainers on FOX.


You're such an indoctrinated liberal-talking-points zealot, M E M.

It is YOUR SIDE, the piece of shit Democrat party, who cheated millions of Republicans of their votes in Nov 2020. There is increasing evidence to detail what Sidney Powell only presented the skeleton of in Nov and Dec last year. Multiple states and local districts are now doing re-counts, and as I've said repeatedly every one of them, from New Hampshie to Arizona, to Georgia to Michigan to Wisconsin, shows a rigged 3 to 6% flip of the vote from Trump to Biden, exactly as Powell described Dominion voting systems orchestrating. When actually investigated and allowed by legislators and judges and local officials,the evidence supports Powell, Giuliani and others who cite foul play in the 2020 election.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ublican-windham-new-hampshire-300-votes/

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2021/03/10/stop-the-steal/

https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/stop-the-steal-2/
Republican Lawmakers claim Jan 6 rioters were just friendly guys and girls
“ REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS CLAIM JANUARY 6 RIOTERS WERE JUST FRIENDLY GUYS AND GALS TAKING A TOURIST TRIP THROUGH THE CAPITOL
Hey, remember that January 6 attack on the Capitol? Was incited by Donald Trump, who sicced his supporters on the building in the hopes that they would overturn the 2020 election? Involved rioters savagely beating officers and chanting “hang Mike Pence”? Left multiple people dead, more than 100 injured, and caused depression and PTSD among law enforcement who were there, to say nothing of the ones who later committed suicide? Republican lawmakers claim to remember it but their memories appear to have taken a stop at Delusionville on the way to What the Actual Fuck Are You Talking About Town.

During a Wednesday hearing of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, many GOP lawmakers proudly rewrote history as part of the party’s official policy of blatantly lying about easily fact-checkable matters, especially ones that could make Trump look bad. Rep. Paul Gosar—a 2020 election truther whose own family members endorsed his opponent and appeared in an ad begging people not to vote for him—called the individuals who violently broke into the Capitol “peaceful patriots” and claimed that the Department of Justice is “harassing“ them. Amazingly, Gosar, who has described Joe Biden as an “illegitimate usurper,” claimed that “outright propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the national security state against law-abiding U.S. citizens, especially Trump voters.” He also described the killing of Ashli Babbitt, a Trump supporter who was shot by the Capitol Police while trying to break through the chamber as an “execut[ion].”

Then there was Rep. Ralph Norman who, like colleagues before him, cast doubt on the fact that the crowd that attacked the building was actually made up of Trump supporters, despite the fact that Trump had invited his supporters to D.C. for his “Stop the Steal” rally and then literally told them to march to the Capitol. (Also, there’s the minor matter of the fact that many people said they were acting on Trump’s orders.)

The most absurd statement, however, came from Rep. Andrew Clyde who said, out loud, in public: “Let me be clear, there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bold-faced lie. Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from January 6, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.”
Yes, just a normal tourist visit if normal tourist visits involve zip tie-toting tourists dragging officers down steps; shocking them with stun guns; smashing their heads with baseball bats, pipes, and flag poles; and causing concussions and at least one heart attack. Usually those sorts of tourists would be asked to leave the premises immediately by security, but apparently they’re alright in the f--ked-up alternative universe Clyde lives in. “
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The most absurd statement, however, came from Rep. Andrew Clyde who said, out loud, in public: “Let me be clear, there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bold-faced lie. Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from January 6, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.”

That's Wondyland level stupid...
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Republican Lawmakers claim Jan 6 rioters were just friendly guys and girls
“ REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS CLAIM JANUARY 6 RIOTERS WERE JUST FRIENDLY GUYS AND GALS TAKING A TOURIST TRIP THROUGH THE CAPITOL
Hey, remember that January 6 attack on the Capitol? Was incited by Donald Trump, who sicced his supporters on the building in the hopes that they would overturn the 2020 election? Involved rioters savagely beating officers and chanting “hang Mike Pence”? Left multiple people dead, more than 100 injured, and caused depression and PTSD among law enforcement who were there, to say nothing of the ones who later committed suicide? Republican lawmakers claim to remember it but their memories appear to have taken a stop at Delusionville on the way to What the Actual Fuck Are You Talking About Town.

During a Wednesday hearing of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, many GOP lawmakers proudly rewrote history as part of the party’s official policy of blatantly lying about easily fact-checkable matters, especially ones that could make Trump look bad. Rep. Paul Gosar—a 2020 election truther whose own family members endorsed his opponent and appeared in an ad begging people not to vote for him—called the individuals who violently broke into the Capitol “peaceful patriots” and claimed that the Department of Justice is “harassing“ them. Amazingly, Gosar, who has described Joe Biden as an “illegitimate usurper,” claimed that “outright propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the national security state against law-abiding U.S. citizens, especially Trump voters.” He also described the killing of Ashli Babbitt, a Trump supporter who was shot by the Capitol Police while trying to break through the chamber as an “execut[ion].”

Then there was Rep. Ralph Norman who, like colleagues before him, cast doubt on the fact that the crowd that attacked the building was actually made up of Trump supporters, despite the fact that Trump had invited his supporters to D.C. for his “Stop the Steal” rally and then literally told them to march to the Capitol. (Also, there’s the minor matter of the fact that many people said they were acting on Trump’s orders.)

The most absurd statement, however, came from Rep. Andrew Clyde who said, out loud, in public: “Let me be clear, there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bold-faced lie. Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from January 6, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.”
Yes, just a normal tourist visit if normal tourist visits involve zip tie-toting tourists dragging officers down steps; shocking them with stun guns; smashing their heads with baseball bats, pipes, and flag poles; and causing concussions and at least one heart attack. Usually those sorts of tourists would be asked to leave the premises immediately by security, but apparently they’re alright in the f--ked-up alternative universe Clyde lives in. “


There is video surveillance footage that shows a majority of the 280 or so who were investigated by the FBI just wandered into the Capitol on Jan 6th, and were NOT involved in violence or riots.

It is also a fact that the overwhelming majority of people arrested for being inside the Capitol were arrested for "criminal trespass" or for "violating curfew", NOT for engaging in riots, vandalism or other violence. Out of over 100,000 Trump protesters present that day, less than 50 (of whom many were BLM/Antifa) were charged with violent offenses.

It is also a fact that "insurrection" has a specific definition, that the events of Jan 6th do not conform to :

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insurrection

1. an act or instance of open revolt against a civil authority or government
(from the old French insurrection, from Latin insurrectio, to rise up. )

Synonyms: rebellion, revolution, revolt, riot, mutiny, insurrection, uprising, coup d'atat, putsch

insurrection and uprising denote armed attempts to change authority.

So... as the actual definition clearly denotes, Democrats are clearly misusing the word, to exaggerate and misrepresent what actually occurred on January 6th.

As I've factually detailed, REPEATEDLY, in the Senate hearings on events of January 6th, Jill Sanborn, the FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism said in answer to Senators Ted Cruz and Ron Johnson that NOT ONE GUN WAS CONFISCATED ON JANUARY 6th in or around the Capitol or surrounding grounds in Washington. NOT ONE !

Out of over 100,000 protesters in Washington Square that day, out of 6,000 directly around the Capitol, out of 600 protestors who went inside the Capitol building (including Antifa/BLM, Boogaloos, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, definitely NOT all actual Trump supporters, John Earle Sullivan's group OPENLY BRAGGING, ON VIDEO POSTED TO TWITTER AND FACEBOOK they were PRETENDING in disguise to be Trump supporters, to either have Trump supporters blamed for their own violence, or trick some into joining them in violence), out of ALL these people, not one firearm was found and confiscated by the FBI.
As was verified by FBI assistant director Jill Sanborn herself.

So... how does one have an armed "insurrection", without any arms ?

It's a lie and a false narrative by the Democrats, and allied liberal media, and a few lying self-serving Republicans trying to capitalize on Trump's departure by joining the Democrats in kicking Trump down and slandering Trump as the alleged cause of riots that he clearly had nothing to do with.


As I've cited before:

1) Detailed in intercepted communications by the FBI, DHS, NYPD and Capitol police, these fringe groups (NOT Trump supporters) planned their attacks on social media up to 4 weeks BEFORE Jan 6th. They were clearly not "incited" by Trump, they planned their attacks in advance, and planned to use the Trump protests as cover for their own plans..

2) The timeline doesn't match up for the Democrat narrative of "Trump-incited" riots in the Capitol. On Jan 6th, Trump spoke from 12 noon to 1:11 PM, the earliest riot attacks began about 12:40 PM. Where Trump spoke in front of the White House, it takes about 46 minutes to walk from there to the Capitol building. And one has to walk, there is no mobile transportation. That means when the first attacks began, a person who was outside at the White House where Trump gave his speech WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LEFT 5 MINUTES BEFORE TRUMP EVER BEGAN SPEAKING to bee at the Capitol at the time riots began !
It was also pointed out that there was no possible reception to have watched the speech on cel phones from elsewhere, as there was no reception.
This again proves it is a lie to blame Trump for events of Jan 6th.

3) In his Jan 6th speech, Trump urged his supporters to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically" walk over to the Capitol and express their support for the Republican Senators and Representatives opposing the electoral certification, Republicans who were pushing for 2 weeks of joint-session televised debate of the evidence of fraud. There was nothing inciting in Trump's speech, he encouraged his supporters to peacefully "fight" for their cause, as hundreds of other political leaders, both Democrat and Republican have said in political speeches , for years, on those same Washington protest grounds.

4) Trump throughout the day, about once an hour, posted on Twitter for his supporters to protest "peacefully". When rioters finally reached the inside joint session chambers inside the Capitol, Trump prepared a statement on video expressing that he appreciated the protests on his behalf by his supporters, that he understood their frustration and agreed we were wronged, but that there was no purpose in continuing to protest that day, and in the interest of peace to immediately go home. WHICH THEY DID.

5) There was a Democrat/liberal media false narrative of "5 PEOPLE KILLED BY RACIST WHITE SUPREMACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS". That was PROVEN to be false. All who died were Trump supporters, 3 deaths by heart attack or stroke, 1 drug overdose, and 1 Trump supporter ( Ashli Babbitt) shot for no good reason by a still un-named Capitol police officer, VIDEOTAPED, FROM TWO SEPARATE ANGLES, in a clear case of excessive force.

6) There was a lying narrative of "WHITE RACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS KILLED A CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER". From the very first day, officer Brian Sicknick's brother told reporters that Brian Sicknick had died of a stroke, NOT an attack by protesters.
But the media still deliberately sold the narrative that Sicknick was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher.
When that narrative fell apart, the liberal media clung to a second false narrative that Sicknick was sprayed with mace or bear spray or some other chemical. But there was security camera footage of Sicknick every second of the hours he was clashing with protesters, and Sicknick was NEVER sprayed with anything.
Finally, 3 months later, long after that false narrative had been disproven, the New York Times finally admitted they had reported inaccurately the cause of Sicknick's death.
And some weeks after that, a politically motivated clearly Democrat coroner's office, over 3 months after Sicknick's body HAD BEEN CREMATED, revealed the actual cause of death (BY STROKE, AS HIS BROTHER SAID TO REPORTERS THE FIRST DAY) was, in fact a stroke, with no violence occurring or contributing to Sicknick's death. A prognosis they delayed to support and prolong the liberal narrative.

7) It is also an absolute fact that the IRS, FBI, DOJ, FISA court, OSHA, EPA, ATF, NSA, CIA and just last week the USPS postal inspector's office, among other federal agencies, have been weaponized against Tea Party, Trump supporters, and other Republican conservatives, and are in the process of purging anyone who is even a Republican conservative from the U.S. military.


So it is not Rep. Andrew Clyde who is delusional or "lives in an alternate universe" it is the vicious fucking liars in the Democrat party and the Bolshevik-Left liberal media who are creating an alternate universe, who sold what is now PROVEN to be a false narrative.
Those are the facts, and they are verifiable. Unlike your lying narrative.

And Vanity Fair, by the way, is a hyper-partisan woke/Left media source. If that wasn't abundantly obvious in their above quoted hit piece. They can be counted on to rabidly attack Republicans every time, on every issue. Now they are attacking Rep. Andrew Clyde. Gee, what a shock.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
::Homegrown terrorist supporting screed::
“ So... how does one have an armed "insurrection", without any arms ? ”

Chemical sprays, American flags, bats, stun guns were all used to viciously beat and injure law enforcement. The capitol getting attacked isn’t ever going to be okay and I think the country has gotten a very clear look at the threat.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
“ So... how does one have an armed "insurrection", without any arms ? ”

Chemical sprays, American flags, bats, stun guns were all used to viciously beat and injure law enforcement. The capitol getting attacked isn’t ever going to be okay and I think the country has gotten a very clear look at the threat.

lol lol lol

You're straining to make an argument, in the absence of having any facts in your favor, M E M.

There was NOT ONE gun confiscated on Jan 6th.
PERIOD.
There was no "insurrection". An insurrection is an armed military attempt to overthrow a government. There were no guns, there was no "insurrection" army, there were no grenade launchers, no artillery, no cyber-attacks, no seizure or occupation of any territory or infrastructure or communications centers.

You had a handful of guys who rioted with cops, smashed a few windows, in one case urinated on a House member's desk, and stole a few of Pelosi's personal letters and a podium. The only fair description of that would be "riot", not "insurrection". Not even close. House and Senate members came back not even 3 hours later and went on about their business, certifying the election. Nothing was destroyed.
Compare that with FIVE MILES of permanently destroyed storefronts in Minneapolis immediately after George Floyd's death. Hundreds of businesses, thousands of jobs, permanently destroyed.
Likewise duplicated across 275 cities nationwide by BLM/Antifa. And countless other smaller towns. THAT is "insurrection", and destruction on a massive scale.
Compare with the seige on the White House that also occurred in may 2020 by BLM and Antifa, where Secret Service pressed Trump to leave the White House. And when Trump the next day walked across the street to the historic church BLM burned, the whole world could see the war-zone level devastation that mob left behind.

Compare that with what occurs nightly in Portland and Seattle, in coordinated attacks on federal buildings by Antifa and BLM, in sustained orchestrated NIGHTLY attacks, and attempts to kill federal agents and police, is far more in the realm of "insurrection" than anything that occurred on Jan 6th in the Capitol.

You twist the definition of "insurrection" to fit your lying narrative. But there are the facts. And you certainly seem to have no compassion for police and federal agents injured or killed by Antifa and BLM, in hundreds of cities over the last year. Your outrage over police attacked is exclusively limited to a handful of officers who faced rioters on ONE DAY on Jan 6th, while you ignore the attacks thousands of times greater by your side, in cities nationwide, AND STILL ONGOING. And even in the case of Jan 6th, you lyingly allege it was Trump supporters, when it is clear much of the damage was done by groups like John Earle Sullivan and BLM/Antifa, the BLM-affiliated Boogaloos, and other groups openly hostile to Trump and attempting to frame Trump for their own destruction.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump’s special people after told them to fight like hell...

It’s to well documented WB
.

Already asked and answered in the Maxine Waters topic:


Originally Posted by Wonder Boy


I'm sympathetic to the fact that officer Fanone had a traumatic experience. Who identifies himself as an "MPD" (Maryland police dept? DC Metro police dept?) who was called in to back up Capitol police. Don Lemon was a moron as usual, asked stupid and obvious questions with obvious answers, and attempted to exploit Fanone's comments beyond the facts.

Any in the crowd who were TRULY Trump supporters should be prosecuted and punished. But I don't see it clearly established that any who assaulted Fanone were Trump supporters and identified after arrest and prosecuted as such. They could have been BLM, Antifa, Boogaloos, Oath Keepers or other groups, all distinct from Trump supporters, who were all present, and BLM in particular hates cops.

Fanone establishes only that he was attacked, not WHO attacked him. And *actual* Trump protesters standing 50 or 100 feet away, could not even know what a few infiltrators with ulterior motives were doing to the officer. He or other officers did not arrest these attackers, so they cannot say precisely who or what these people were, what the ideology or motivation for attacking him was.

I would also point out that neither he or other officers were killed or seriously injured, nor were any House or Senate members killed or injured. If these presumed "Trump protesters" had a true motivation to harm or kill Fanone or anyone else, they certainly had the opportunity to do so.
Originally Posted by MisterJLA
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BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CLEARS REMAINING FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST PORTLAND RIOTERS, MOST GET PROBATION OR COMMUNITY SERVICE


Nothing says "defending freedom" like letting the destroyers of our national monuments and federal buildings get away with it.

Saying you won't prosecute these crimes clearly says: Do it again! Tear down those monuments and statues, burn down those federal buildings.

Like the open southern border crisis that Biden created, this as well invites repeat of a problem Trump had solved as president.
UNLEASHING TREASON AND THOUGHTCRIME PROSECUTIONS ON YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS EASIER THAN EVER IN JOE BIDEN'S AMERICA

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President Joe Biden is supplementing his calls for national unity with fervent denunciations of extremists, insurrectionists, and domestic terrorists, as well as comparing Senate opponents to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

Biden is now in charge of the world’s largest law firm – the U.S. Justice Department – as well as armies of federal enforcement agents. Biden and his Democratic allies have the tools to assure a steady stream of denunciations and indictments in the coming years against Americans targeted for their political beliefs. .
Democrats are already vastly expanding the only crime defined by the Constitution – treason. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi declared that Republicans who signaled they would not ratify the Electoral College results earlier this month “gave aid and comfort to [protestors] with the idea that they were embracing a lie… that the election did not have legitimacy.”

As law professor Jonathan Turley noted, Pelosi’s use of “the treason language in the Constitution” suggests that Republican members were more than just politically at fault… they were traitors.” A court of law would never convict Republican members of treason, but Pelosi can convict them in the court of public opinion, thanks to the hanging judges at CNN and MSNBC.

Opposing Biden becomes the equivalent of opposing democracy, and fuels demands for expelling more than a hundred Republicans from Congress. (RELATED ‘The Enemy Is Within’: Pelosi Calls For More Security To Defend Against Members Who ‘Want To Bring Guns On The Floor’)

After the clash at the Capitol on January 6, President-elect Joe Biden declared that the action of the rioters “borders on sedition.” (Actually, Republican members of Congress who objected to the Electoral College verdict were being denounced as the “sedition caucus” even before January 6).

Federal prosecutor Michael Sherwin, who is handling the January 6 cases, said he has given other federal lawyers “marching orders… to build seditious and conspiracy charges” against the most abusive rioters. The federal Seditious Conspiracy statute declares that if two or more persons conspire to “oppose by force the authority [of the U.S. government], or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law… or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States… they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."

This is a sweeping legal drift net that could spur 20-year prison sentences for anyone who helped the dude who proudly carried off Nancy Pelosi’s lectern. Many members of Congress want all of the 800 protestors harshly punished for “desecrating” the “temple” of democracy, their “hallowed halls,” and their “sacred space” — even though most of those present committed no violence and left peacefully of their own accord after a few hours.

There are ample federal laws to vigorously prosecute and harshly punish the people who violently attacked Capitol Police. But blanket charges of sedition against protestors who were guilty merely of unlawful entry would mean scourging them as if they were political heretics.


While it is unclear how many protestors will be charged with sedition, reliance on that legal penalty blew up prior administrations. The Sedition Act of 1798 briefly helped President John Adams persecute newspaper editors who criticized his policies, but outrageous prosecutions helped Thomas Jefferson defeat Adams in the 1800 election.

In 1918, the Wilson administration responded to rising criticism of the U.S. role in World War One with a Sedition Act that “made virtually any criticism of the government or the war a criminal offense,” as historian Arthur Ekirch noted. Government propaganda fanned intolerance and torrents of informants. Congress repealed that Sedition Act at the end of 1920, but other Sedition Act provisions remain in place.

On Inauguration Day, former CIA chief John Brennan declared on MSNBC that “Biden team” members “are now moving in laser-like fashion to try to uncover as much as they can about what looks very similar to insurgency movements… an unholy alliance frequently of religious extremists, authoritarians, fascists, bigots, racists, Nativists, even libertarians.”


Americans who hold ideas that politicians associate with any of those groups could be in the cross-hairs of federal investigators in the coming years, according to Brennan’s warning. Beyond treason and sedition, more than 4000 federal criminal laws provide ample opportunities to hammer potential or actual government opponents. (RELATED: ‘QAnon Shaman’ Prepared To Testify In Trump’s Impeachment Trial)

Will Biden’s denunciation of protestors as “domestic terrorists” spur a bureaucratic stampede to “round up the usual suspects?” Prosecutors will find a ready tool in the Patriot Act’s provision that defined “domestic terrorism” as violent or threatening private actions intended “to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.”

A few scuffles at a rally can transform a protest group into a terrorist entity. If the violence at a rally is done by a government agent provocateur – as happened at 1960s antiwar protests – the government could still treat all the group’s members as terrorists. “Material support of terrorism” is also broadly defined, which could allow the feds to drop the hammer on anyone who donated to protest groups capriciously designated as terrorist entities.

Federal agents have a long record of creating the crimes that politicians rush to exploit. The FBI admits that it formally entitles its army of informants to commit more than 5000 crimes a year. FBI crime sprees have been propelled by decades of Supreme Court decisions that effectively defined entrapment out of existence.

Almost anything that an undercover government agent can do to induce someone to violate the law is fair play. Federal judges have even countenanced undercover agents who enticed their targets into sexual affairs to lure them to their legal doom.

In the coming months and years, many people will likely be convicted not for violent acts against the government but for unwise or reckless words that they uttered in proximity to government informants – regardless of whether they were coaxed into saying things for which they could be legally impaled.

Critics of the Biden administration may suffer the same law enforcement abuses that Muslims suffered after the 9/11 attacks. The vast majority of people charged with international terrorism offenses in the first decade after 9/11 were induced by the FBI to behave in ways that prompted their arrest, according to Trevor Aaronson, author of “The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terrorism.”

Federal agents targeted numerous young Muslims who were mentally feeble or psychologically disabled in order to pad their conviction counts, thereby helping score bigger budgets from Congress.

The American media mostly ignored the due process travesties that occurred in post-9/11 terrorism prosecutions. Considering the histrionic effort by pundits and Democrats to portray the January 6 Capitol clash as the equivalent of the 9/11 attacks, we can expect similar media nonchalance over federal abuses targeting Biden’s enemies.’

Targeting individuals for entrapment and prosecution based on their political beliefs and associations will help tarnish Biden’s political opponents across the board. CNN’s Don Lemon recently denounced all Trump voters as guilty of siding with Nazis and the Klan, and prosecutions of anti-Biden activists could help tar any Biden critic as a potentially dangerous zealot.

The Department of Homeland Security issued a warning on Wednesday that “ideologically-motivated violent extremists with objections to the exercise of governmental authority and the presidential transition, as well as other perceived grievances fueled by false narratives” pose a threat to public safety. Once politicians establish that extremism is intolerable, the definition of extremism will be consistently expanded to justify outlawing more ideas.
The FBI could become the 800-pound gorilla in efforts to police thoughts. The FBI brazenly violated federal surveillance laws in recent years but suffered no real punishment from the courts, Congress, or various administrations.

Many liberal Democrats are grateful to the FBI for its role in hobbling the Trump administration, making it less likely that the Biden team would leash the agency.

From 1956 through 1971, the FBI’s COINTELPRO program conducted thousands of covert operations to incite street warfare between violent groups, to get people fired, to portray innocent people as government informants, to destroy marriages, and to cripple or destroy leftist, black, white racist, and anti-war organizations. A 1976 Senate report explained that the FBI targeted and harassed vast numbers of peaceful protesters because of its “belief that dissident speech and association should be prevented because they were incipient steps toward the possible ultimate commission of an act which might be criminal.”

That report concluded: “The American people need to be assured that never again will an agency of the government be permitted to conduct a secret war against those citizens it considers threats to the established order.” But legal restrictions on FBI operations are mostly a mirage at this point and the agency operates with near-total impunity. (RELATED: Ex-FBI Lawyer Receives Probation For Altering Email About Carter Page)

Don’t expect an official Federal Register notice if the FBI decides to revive its persecution of dissent. The original COINTELPRO was kept secret for 15 years until a group of patriotic citizens burglarized an FBI office in a Pennsylvania suburb on the night of the first Ali-Frazier fight. They sent newspapers copies of the damning files they seized, spurring J. Edgar Hoover to shut down the program.

If the FBI revives its COINTELPRO-style targeting and mass subversion, would Americans have to wait until 2036 to learn of the scandal?

Power-hungry presidents have perennially portrayed their critics as public nuisances, but the Biden administration seems hellbent on doing far more than finger-wagging. Perhaps the feds will overreach and finally awaken more Americans to the peril of letting their rulers judge their thoughts.

In the meantime, prudent dissidents and wily cynics will avoid writing anything in an email that they don’t want to hear read out loud in federal court.
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James Bovard is the author of “Attention Deficit Democracy,” “The Bush Betrayal,” “Terrorism and Tyranny,” and other books. Bovard is on the USA Today Board of Contributors. He is on Twitter at @jimbovard. His website is at www.jimbovard.com


Or as another admired figure of the Democrat/Left once said:

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“ President Joe Biden is supplementing his calls for national unity with fervent denunciations of extremists, insurrectionists, and domestic terrorists, as well as comparing Senate opponents to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.”

How dare Biden denounce domestic terrorists! Lol, and Biden just honestly pointed out how Goebbels operated. Hopefully voters will choose to reject crappy liars like that. I don’t miss the orange pos loser hating anti-fascists. I understand why anti-fascism is a threat to him and the big lie party though.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CLEARS REMAINING FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST PORTLAND RIOTERS, MOST GET PROBATION OR COMMUNITY SERVICE


Nothing says "defending freedom" like letting the destroyers of our national monuments and federal buildings get away with it.

Saying you won't prosecute these crimes clearly says: Do it again! Tear down those monuments and statues, burn down those federal buildings.

Like the open southern border crisis that Biden created, this as well invites repeat of a problem Trump had solved as president.

I would point out that Biden actually is doing what Trump did here. You might not have noticed but the article you link to says that these people were already being let go under Trump. I do think that for those that were not peaceful should face consequences for their actions. It is refreshing to not have a President call them “special people” “that we love” anymore. Than again I hate fascists and love democracy. We have different principles and values I guess.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
“ President Joe Biden is supplementing his calls for national unity with fervent denunciations of extremists, insurrectionists, and domestic terrorists, as well as comparing Senate opponents to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.”

How dare Biden denounce domestic terrorists! Lol, and Biden just honestly pointed out how Goebbels operated. Hopefully voters will choose to reject crappy liars like that. I don’t miss the orange pos loser hating anti-fascists. I understand why anti-fascism is a threat to him and the big lie party though.


The point is, as I've proven: BIDEN LIED.

Biden divided the country with false and divisive rhetoric about an "insurrection" that never happened. It wasn't an insurrection. There was no rebel army to oppose the government, there was no armed military seizure of buildings or territory. It was about 30 guys (out of over 100,000 PEACEFULLY protesting) who wrestled with police, shouted in the halls to intimidate people, and were pushed out in a very short time. There were about 250 other people, many of whom the cops just let in and didn't make any effort to push out, the overwhelming majority of the 280 investigated, who were wantered around inside the capitol and left, and later were charged with "criminal trespass, or "violating curfew", non-violent offenses.
It was NOT and armed "insurrection".
It was a riot. A riot. Not the Civil War, not 9-11-2001, not the war of 1812, not Pearl Harbor.
A riot.

Much as the Democrat-Bolsheviks you side with want to lie and exaggerate it into something far more.
It doesn't even reach the level of any one of the 275 cities that BLM and Antifa ravaged over the last year.
It doesn't even measure up to ONE DAY of the nightly attacks on Federal buildings in Seattle and Portland by BLM and Antifa for the last 6 months or so.
It doesn't equal the damage of the BLM seige on the White House in May 2020.

What you say is a lie, and as many times as you repeat it, it will remain a lie, whipped up to deceitfully serve the larger Democrat narrative.
But a lie, nonetheless. Exposed and disproven.
Originally Posted by M E M
I would point out that Biden actually is doing what Trump did here. You might not have noticed but the article you link to says that these people were already being let go under Trump. I do think that for those that were not peaceful should face consequences for their actions. It is refreshing to not have a President call them “special people” “that we love” anymore. Than again I hate fascists and love democracy. We have different principles and values I guess.

You're a cultural marxist zealot, who is aiding your Democrat-Bolshevik party in overthrowing the Constitutional checks and balances of our government, to establish authoritarian one-party rule over the U.S.
And you seem to fully endorse any kind of weaponization of our federal government to purge or even imprison Republicans on made-up charges.

While simultaneously not prosecuting people who are clearly guilty crimes, such as Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Kevin Clinesmith, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Joe and Hunter Biden. And the 7 who plotted the framing and malicious prosecution of Michael Flynn on Jan 5 2017 in the Oval Office: Barack Obama, Joe Biden (who suggested it!), James Clapper, John Brennan, James Comey, Susan Rice, and if I recall, then chief of staff Denis McDonough, as well as Peter Strzok and others in the FBI who carried out their plan to frame Flynn. Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin, who destroyed evidence and obstructed justice, among other offenses. Lois Lerner and John Koskinen, who weaponized the IRS against Tea Party Groups and other conservatives to rig the 2012 election on Obama's orders. For openers.

The latest FBI midnight raid to intimidate Rudy Giuliani is just proving that the authoritarianism, intimdation and federal abuse of power hasn't diminished the slightest bit under Joe Biden's presidency. Although a former U.S. attorney is not likely to be intimidated. That dog and pony show was to intimidate 2024 Trump supporters, and Trump political and financial campaign supporters.

Reading more about the release of Portland cases...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bide...ers-most-get-probation-community-service

... I get two impressions:
1) under A G William Barr, they were not seeing evidence of knowledge by low-level defendants that they could use against the larger organization of Antifa, so they were willing to give them lesser charges and lighter sentences, proportionate to their less organized less connected crimes to Antifa
2) As the Biden DOJ was coming in and less interested in prosecuting them, without a 2nd Trump term, they didn't work as hard on those cases, since the incoming Biden DOJ team made them a lesser prioriity and woudl have let them go anyway, no matter how hard the outgoing team worked to convict them. Attorney General Merrick Garland, revealing himself to be a political zealot, has made it clear his priority is malicious prosecution and "making an example" of Trump supporters who did next to nothing on Jan 6 2021. They have inflated the investigations from 280 (almost all nonviolent "trespass" charges) pushing it up to 400. Some of whom (the "Quanon Shaman" guy for example) who did nothing resembling a violent crime, and yet was kept in prison for months. While BLM/ANtifaa leader John Earle Sullivan WHO LED VIOLENCE, AND GOT ASHLI BABBITT KILLED, DELIBERATELY PROVOKING VIOLENCE, ON VIDEO NO LESS, political hack Merrick Garland doesn't make a priority of prosecuting, AND LETS OUT ON HOUSE ARREST, TO CONTINUE SPREADING HIS POISON ON SOCIAL MEDIA. But Quanon Shaman guy and the Texas real estate lady who only walked inside the Capitol are kept in jail for months. While violent BLM criminals are given probation and community service. rolleyes

Beyond that, the big thing is, whether strictly enforced or not the THREAT of long sentences mandated by Trump was an instant deterrent to further attacks on federal offices and monuments, that instantly stopped these crimes, regardless or not of actual prosecution months or years later.
But now Biden has eliminated those severe penalties, which as I said above, like the flood of illegals at the southern border, Biden has similarly invited a new wave of attacks on federal buildings and monuments.
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Looks like a failed effort to stop democracy brought on by a big fat orange loser lying about the election to me.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
people not established to actually be pro-Trump protesters beat up a police officer (and it looks like the ACTUAL Trump protestors saved him)

Looks like a failed effort to stop democracy brought on by a big fat orange loser lying about the election to me.



Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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Already asked and answered in the Maxine Waters topic:


Originally Posted by Wonder Boy


I'm sympathetic to the fact that officer Fanone had a traumatic experience. Who identifies himself as an "MPD" (Maryland police dept? DC Metro police dept?) who was called in to back up Capitol police. Don Lemon was a moron as usual, asked stupid and obvious questions with obvious answers, and attempted to exploit Fanone's comments beyond the facts.

Any in the crowd who were TRULY Trump supporters should be prosecuted and punished. But I don't see it clearly established that any who assaulted Fanone were Trump supporters and identified after arrest and prosecuted as such. They could have been BLM, Antifa, Boogaloos, Oath Keepers or other groups, all distinct from Trump supporters, who were all present, and BLM in particular hates cops.

Fanone establishes only that he was attacked, not WHO attacked him. And *actual* Trump protesters standing 50 or 100 feet away, could not even know what a few infiltrators with ulterior motives were doing to the officer. He or other officers did not arrest these attackers, so they cannot say precisely who or what these people were, what the ideology or motivation for attacking him was.

I would also point out that neither he or other officers were killed or seriously injured, nor were any House or Senate members killed or injured. If these presumed "Trump protesters" had a true motivation to harm or kill Fanone or anyone else, they certainly had the opportunity to do so.


Why do you pull this garbage, M E M ?

You're just a broken-record lying talking points machine, repeating the same DISPROVEN lying narrative, over and over again.

Repeating the same lies doesn't make them more true.
And whatever your pretenses of being "on the side of Democracy", you are in truth on the side of the authoritarian Bolsheviks, Black Lives Matter, and "de-fund the police".

Whereas I (and the cop your BLM/Antifa pals beat up) am on the side of ACTUAL Constitutional democracy.
Lol, you have proven you can rationalize anything and democracy is just something in the way for trumpers. I’ll try to post different videos though as there the day was well documented.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Lol, you have proven you can rationalize anything and democracy is just something in the way for trumpers. I’ll try to post different videos though as there the day was well documented.

Y'know... I've presented sourced facts over and over, probably at least 20 times in just this one topic, to show that NYPD, FBI, DHS and Capitol police all agree with me, not you, that the rioting was not "incited" by Trump, it was pre-planned up to a month before Trump ever spoke on Jan 6th. "Pre-planned" and "incited" are mutually exclusive. And further, that your Democrat-Bolshevik party and the Orwell's Ministry of Truth media were proven to have gotten all the facts wrong. Deliberately.
"FIVE PEOPLE KILLED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS", proved to be zero killed by Trump supporters. Your side lied, and got caught, unquestionably.
You can't even prove them to be "white supremacist". You can't even prove those rioting are actual Trump supporters. YOU CAN'T !

"WHITE RACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS KILLED OFFICER BRIAN SICKNICK WITH A FIRE EXTINGUISHER!" Nope, also disproven, try again.
"WHITE RACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS KILLED SICKNICK WITH BEAR SPRAY!" No, try again.
"PEPPER SPRAY!" Nope. "SOME OTHER CHEMICAL SPRAY!" Nope, try again. Hours of video footage never showed him sprayed with anything. Your side lied and got caught again. And your side knew from the beginning, because Sicknick's brother told a reporter it was a stroke on Jan 8th, probably right after he died. (Because another lie, Sicknick didn't die on Jan 6th, he died about 24 hours later. And your side kept the lying narrative alive for all those months.)
I could go on, but I've already been through it so many times.

And I've probably answered and proven it 10 or 20 more times across multiple other Trump-related topics.
And you always respond with the same factless bumper sticker slogans, repeating what I just disproved.
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Tom Shilue, as "ANGRY WHITE MALE" (on Gutfeld)
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G O P WANTS DEMOCRATS INVESTIGATED OVER DEMS' "RECONNAISSANCE" CLAIMS THAT REPUBLICAN HOUSE OR SENATE MEMBERS COLLABORATED IN PREPARATION WITH JAN 6th RIOTERS

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House Republicans filed an ethics complaint Tuesday against House Democrats who claimed that Republican members gave "reconnaissance" tours to constituents ahead of the Jan. 6 breach of the Capitol.
Pointing out that the Democrats presented no evidence to back their claim, the GOP letter to the Committee on Ethics argues House rules prohibit a member "from making false, spurious, and unsubstantiated accusations against other Members," the Daily Caller reported.

Several dozen Democrats, led by New Jersey Rep. Mikie Sherrill, alleged that GOP members of Congress led "suspicious" groups through the Capitol Complex ahead of the Jan. 6 incident, which happened during and after a rally by President Trump in which he encouraged supporters to "peacefully" protest the certification of the 2020 vote.
The complaint, from GOP members of the House Administration Committee, noted Sherrill had said she was worried some of her colleagues had provided "reconnaissance" tours.

Sherrill had claimed: "The visitors encountered by some of the Members of Congress on this letter appeared to be associated with the rally at the White House the following day. Members of the group that attacked the Capitol seemed to have an unusually detailed knowledge of the layout of the Capitol Complex. The presence of these groups within the Capitol Complex was indeed suspicious."
However, Capitol Police decided not to respond, and Democrats have not been able to provide evidence to support the accusations.

The House Republicans, emphasizing the claims were made "without evidence," noted that in an "official appearance from her congressional office, which was broadcast on her official Facebook account, Rep. Sherrill doubled down on these unsubstantiated allegations, arguing for punishment for crimes that did not occur."
Sherill said: "I also intend to see that ... those Members of Congress who had groups coming through the Capitol that I saw on January 5th for reconnaissance for the next day—those Members of Congress who incited the violent crowd, those Members of Congress that attempted to help our president undermine our democracy—I’m going to see that they’re held accountable."

Previously, House Republicans had asked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to explain what happened with security before and on that day.
Pelosi’s office responded to Fox News by putting blame on the Republican lawmakers and saying that safety is not their priority, the report said.
Now the Republicans are blaming Pelosi for not securing the building.

The GOP letter said: "The problem is that no Republican Member of Congress led any kind of 'reconnaissance' tours through the Capitol on any date, including January 5, 2021. Security footage captured by the U.S. Capitol Police easily confirms these facts. Despite the threat presented by the Sherrill Letter to these Republican Members and to the House itself, Respondents appear not to have let their lack of evidence or the truth stand in the way of making these false accusations."

The Republicans also charge the Democrats have failed to "adhere to the highest moral principles" and that had the same remarks been made on the House floor, the speakers likely would have been censured.

They say the Sherrill accusations are "a public allegation of a crime," requesting an investigation into the Democrats' "cavalier behavior."

The letter, signed by Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Ga., said: "It has been my hope that, following the attack on January 6th, Members of Congress of both parties would work together in a bipartisan manner to investigation those events and ensure they do not happen again. Letters like the one drafted by Respondents are irresponsible and only work to spread misinformation and impugn the reputation of the House and its Members."

The letter was addressed to the chairman of the Committee on Ethics, Theodore Deutsch, and ranking member Jackie Walorski.

Rubber-stamp-for-the-Left-agenda (and on the Judiciary Committee) Rep. Ted Deutsch happens to be my local congressman.
He can be counted on to do THE OPPOSITE of whatever the right thing is, to pursue the interests of his vicious party over the best interests of the American people.
Posted By: iggy Re: Imploding DNC "Reconnaissance" Fantasies - 2021-05-18 9:13 PM
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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Originally Posted by iggy
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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Just pointing out, yet another example of your continued petty vendetta against me.

And once again, you have absolutely nothing factual or insightful to contribute.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy

Thank goodness these people were not in charge when we were fighting polio. It’s that type of thinking and week wills that helped the death toll be so big in the US. Grown men who couldn’t wear a mask to protect their loved ones are not real men in my book. Very happy that I have the vaccine that was being tested before “operation warp speed” was announced so assholes like that really aren’t a threat to me or my family when it comes to them spreading Covid.
Republicans try but can’t escape Jan 6

Pretty pathetic leadership of McCarthy and McConnel. They can’t even support a bipartisan commission.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Imploding DNC "Reconnaissance" Fantasies - 2021-05-22 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy

Thank goodness these people were not in charge when we were fighting polio. It’s that type of thinking and week wills that helped the death toll be so big in the US. Grown men who couldn’t wear a mask to protect their loved ones are not real men in my book. Very happy that I have the vaccine that was being tested before “operation warp speed” was announced so assholes like that really aren’t a threat to me or my family when it comes to them spreading Covid.

Uh... as multiple medical experts succh as Dr. Scott Atlas, New York Times journalist Alex Berenson, and other doctors say daily on Fox News and other channels, the science at this point supports not wearing the masks for people who are immunized or outdoors. It also supports children not wearing masks at all, and supports children going back to school and not being schooled by internet, as they have virtually no risk of either contracting Covid, spreading Covid, or dying of Covid-19.

Further, the CDC's own web-page says that only 6% of Covid-19 deaths were caused by the disease itself, and were instead caused by one or more "co-morbidity" immune-compromised conditions, such as heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, asthma, cancer, or some other weakening condition.

A REMINDER FOR M E M: The purpose of the shut-down, which was only supposed to be for 2 or 3 weeks, was:

1) TO ALLOW HOSPITALS TO PREPARE, so they would not be overwhelmed as they were in Italy and Spain.

and
2) to PREPARE AND PROTECT THOSE MOST VULNERABLE, so they would not die. That is what states like Florida and Texas did, while states like New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan and California were killing thousands of grandmas who didn't need to die.

The purpose was not to make sure no one gets sick with Covid-19, even a mild case, the purpose was TO SAVE LIVES. At this point, everyone who is over 65 or immune-compromised has been vaccinated. And last I looked, about 35% of the country was fully vaccinated, and about 45% have had the first of two injections. The vulnerable are now vaccinated and protected, those less vulnerable can get on with their lives. Even those who are hospitalized now can be treated with multiple therapies to recover, that did not exist a year ago.
And your Democrat-Bolshevik party has probably caused thousands to die who didn't have to by obstructing early Hydroxychloroquine prescription, that would have prevented many patients from ever becoming severely ill or hospitalized. In at least 30 nations worldwide, they give out Hydroxychloroquine FOR FREE to the population, and have had far less deaths. A medicine that has been in wide use worldwide since 1944, that has been FDA approved since 1955, that has for decades been used to treat tens of millions for Malaria, Lupus, Rheumatoid arthritis, Lyme disease and other illnesses, that just because Trump recommended it, your party propagandized as "DANGEROUS!!!" That has caused thousands to die unnecessarily, who could have been saved with a $14.00 prescription.

"Polio" is not Covid-19.
Covid-19 is not SARS, MERS or Swine Flu.
Specific to THE SCIENCE of this particular Covid-19 strain, what Democrats are virtue-signalling with their repressive policies is not saving lives. (Even as they allow in 6,000 illegals a day into the country, who are completely untested for Covid-19 or any other disease, secretly shuttled by Democrat policy, UNREPORTED TO LOCAL OFFICIALS in those cities and states, to every corner of the 50 states, to spread Covid-19 that they scold the rest of us to wear a mask to avoid spreading! )

It's infuriating that Biden/Pelosi policy requires any U.S. citizen or LEGAL immigrant to get Covid-tested days in advance and proven Covid-free before they can travel on a plane. But they will allow any Covid-infected ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT to travel on that same plane, to anywhere in the country.

That is not science, M E M, that is virtue-signalling and authoritarian control, using a deliberately false narrative. A narrative that won't save one life. And those illegals WILL spread Covid-19, and will commit crimes against U.S. citizens. One estimate I read is that illegal immigrant criminals kill about 4,000 Americans (or legal immigrants) a year. Your insane party is the one killing and endangering people.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Republicans try but can’t escape Jan 6

Pretty pathetic leadership of McCarthy and McConnel. They can’t even support a bipartisan commission.


It's a commission of Democrats, set up to reinforce an already disproven lying Jan 6th narrative I've already detailed the false Democrat claims of. But a "bipartisan commission" (in name only) will give the Dems' brethren in the 93% lying Trump-hating media an excuse to continue perpetuating that false narrative, just as they both did with the Mueller investigation, that both the Democrats and liberal media knew was a lie with no facts to back it up since before the Mueller special investigation was appointed in early 2017. And even knowing it was a lie, they still kept that Mueller narrative alive past the Nov 2018 election, till Aug 2019.

As Peter Strzok said to Lisa Page on why he didn't want assigned to the investigation: "There's no 'THERE' there."
Strzok knew it was just a narrative with no facts to find that would back it up. But that *LIE* allowed the Democrats to win the House in the 2018 mid-term. Based on a dual media-narrative and FBI-narrative collaboraitve *LIE*.

There are already four other investigations being done of the Jan 6th riots, spread across the FBI and House and Senate committees. It's overkill. There were less than 50 people arrested for anything resembling "violence". Stealing a podium. Urinating on a desk, stealing a few letters. *ACTUAL* violent BLM and Antifa members are let out on bail.
But these "VIOLENT WHITE SUPREMACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS" (almost all of whom just walked around inside the Capitol and didn't violently attack or smash anything) are still in solitary confinement 4 monhths after Jan 6th. For WHAT exactly? Once again, the dual-standard of 97% Democrat DOJ and FBI, weaponized against Republicans, MANUFACTURING A FALSE NARRATIVE against Republicans, imprisoning Republicans, just to create a narrative. Last I heard the 280 "Trump supporters" arrested (quite a few of them including John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa group") included about 90% people who were only charged with "trespassing" or "violating curfew".

But under political hack newly-appointed attorney general Merrick Garland (who has proven as a Democrat hack that he was completely unworthy of the Supreme Court 4 years ago) this piddly riot by a few people, almost all of whom were at most trespassers, NOT violent revolutionaries, is labelled by Garland as "the greatest threat to this nation."
I'm thinking that a plague-spreading imperialist China, a terrorist Iran with nuclear ambitions almost reached, a nuclear-missile lobbing North Korea, an annual 87,000 dead Americans from Mexican/Chinese drug cartels across our southern border, and the estimated 2 million illegals pouring across our southern border, as well as a Chinese-aligned cultural marxist nation-destroying Democrat party, are the *ACTUAL* threat to this country

As is an attorney general who is willing to corrupt justice and weaponize the DOJ and FBI against his party's political opponents, jailing hundreds of innocent people from Jan 6th, just to create a narrative. To keep that narrative alive, the FBI inflated the arrests from 280 to 400. In the latest hearings, Garland vowed to inflate that from 400 to 500.
The oh-so-dangerous national threat of "trespassing". The 30 or so on Jan 6th who were actually guilty of anything at all were rounded up in the first 3 weeks. The rest is just partisan theatre disguised as law enforcement, and fighting "insurrection" that doesn't exist.

And the 35 Republicans who supported the "bipartisan commission" (controlled by Democrats) are dupes who were virtue-signalling because they thought it was expected of them. I predict they'll be primaried out and replaced with ACTUAL Republicans, rather than RINOs like them, in Nov 2022.
I think your post highlights the very reason a bipartisan commission is needed. This was a threat to democracy and actually succeeded in stalling the certification of the election results.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think your post highlights the very reason a bipartisan commission is needed. This was a threat to democracy and actually succeeded in stalling the certification of the election results.



That is again your willful delusion, or your flatout lie.

The FBI, DOJ, CIA, IRS and other federal agencies are weaponized Democrat agencies, that as I cited elsewhere, donate 97% to Democrats, and (text by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, to Strzok and Page: "Vive le resistance!") obstruct and sabotage and falsify evidence against even a sitting Republican president.

There was nothing "bipartisan" about the weaponized Mueller special investigation.
If you believe this investigation would be neutral or "bipartisan" you believe that in ignorance of 12 years of Democrats weaponizing federal agencies and investigations against Republicans.

And the "bipartisan investigation" would be just one more propagandized Democrat weapon, in addition to multiple other investigations being done by FBI/DOJ, Capitol Police, DHS, and House and Senate hearings and investigations. It's overkill. WEAPONIZED overkill.
What you say when the facts are not on your side. Fortunately the power isn’t either smile I genuinely want a bipartisan commission and I do understand why McCarthy doesn’t. He’s going to be asked some questions under oath.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think your post highlights the very reason a bipartisan commission is needed. This was a threat to democracy and actually succeeded in stalling the certification of the election results.



That is again your willful delusion, or your flatout lie.

The FBI, DOJ, CIA, IRS and other federal agencies are weaponized Democrat agencies, that as I cited elsewhere, donate 97% to Democrats, and (text by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, to Strzok and Page: "Vive le resistance!") obstruct and sabotage and falsify evidence against even a sitting Republican president.

There was nothing "bipartisan" about the weaponized Mueller special investigation.
If you believe this investigation would be neutral or "bipartisan" you believe that in ignorance of 12 years of Democrats weaponizing federal agencies and investigations against Republicans.

And the "bipartisan investigation" would be just one more propagandized Democrat weapon, in addition to multiple other investigations being done by FBI/DOJ, Capitol Police, DHS, and House and Senate hearings and investigations of events on Jan 6 2021]. It's overkill. WEAPONIZED overkill.

Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
What you say when the facts are not on your side. Fortunately the power isn’t either smile I genuinely want a bipartisan commission and I do understand why McCarthy doesn’t. He’s going to be asked some questions under oath.

STOLEN power, as is quickly being proven now in multiple election audits, and those audits are accelerating across even more cities and states, all consistently showing Dominion and Democrat fraud.

Plus evidence of Democrat FBI lawyer-criminal Kevin Clinesmith's "Vive le resistance" texts with Peter strzok and Lisa Page:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...stance-to-fbi-colleague-after-trump-won/

Plus evidence that Kevin Clinesmith weaponized the FBI against Trump officials, forging documents to get FISA warrants that never should have been approved:
https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/ex-fbi-lawyer-pleads-guilty-to-falsifying-documents-in-russia-probe/

Even the FBI verifies that there was no "insurrection", That out of over 400 arrested, they were overwhelmingly arrested only for "trespassing' and "violating curfew". Only about 30 or 40 for violence or smashing windows, or stealing Pelosi's podium and personal letters, or peeing on a desk.
It's all exaggerated and overblown as a nation-threatening "insurrection", just to allow Democrats to purge Republican or Trump supporters from positions in the military, and to harass and intimidate, to consolidate Democrat power over another federal branch of government. (In addition to the IRS, FBI and DOJ, the State Department, OSHA, EPA, teachers, university professors, and other federal law enforcement agencies... and now the military. )
And to use a fake "insurrection" to further harass and intimidate civilian Trump supporters nationwide. To intimidate wealthy individuals and companies that donate to Trump and Republicans. A continuation of what began with the IRS under Lois Lerner and John Koskinen in 2010-2012, and even more boldly by the FBI, DOJ, State Department and FISA court in 2016-2017.
And a weaponized fraudulent Mueller special investigation, that should never have been appointed, and knew there was no evidence against trump in the first few weeks, but kept open to damage Trump and the Republicans through the Nov 2018 mid-terms.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/21/exclusive-zero-registered-republicans-mueller-lawyer/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mu...-to-hillary-now-investigating-team-trump
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/robert-mueller-russia-probe-democrats-dominate-staff/

That was supposed to be "bipartisan" too, but in truth it was made up of 17 Trump-hating heavily Democrat-donor career Democrats, one of them appointed directly from the Clinton Foundation. "Bipartisan"? "Neutral"?!?
Not even close.

Another contrived and fake weaponized "bipartisan investigation" of the Jan 6th riots would be very convenient for the Democrats, to stretch politically into 2022 and 2024.

The facts are COMPLETELY on my side, despite the corrupt Bolsheviks on your side trying to suppress them.
WB maybe it would be best to adopt the rules republicans used for their Benghazi thing. You seemed to think that was fair, lol. And you continue to make the case for a need for this commission. False narratives have a little more trouble under oath than conservative safe spaces like OAN.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
WB maybe it would be best to adopt the rules republicans used for their Benghazi thing. You seemed to think that was fair, lol. And you continue to make the case for a need for this commission. False narratives have a little more trouble under oath than conservative safe spaces like OAN.


Was anyone brought to trial or punished in the Obama administration for the negligence that resulted in the Benghazi attack?

Was it ever even disclosed WHERE OBAMA AND HILLARY EACH WERE during the 6 hours or so of the attack, viewed in the White House situation room in real time on embassy cameras, where in all that time no aid was given to those 4 courageous veterans who disobeyed orders to save about 40 embassy staff?

Was there a vigorous investigation to find those captured on camera attacking the embassy and living freely in Benghazi for YEARS after the attack without fear?
Were State Department and CIA staffers ACTUALLY PUNISHED and DEMOTED and had their careers ended for coming forward to tell the truth in Senate hearings?

You KNOW the answers.
So investigation of the Benghazi attack was likewise a sham that let Democrats go unpunished for their criminal negligence that cost lives.
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http://bobpowell.blogspot.com/

This is a guy I saw interviewed tonight on Real America with Dan Ball (on OAN). Powell identifies himself as a news reporter with 36 years experience, who was among the protestors in and around the Capitol on January 6th, who shot extensive footage of protestors, and identified many who were the ones (recorded on video!) who were at the forefront on Jan 6th who were initiating violence and smashing of windows, and pushing Trump supporters to join in.
That Powell gave the video footage to the FBI to identify these men and arrest them, and the FBI evaded any attempt to identify and arrest them. For very good reason. Powell asserts that these men, the ones initiating the violence, were FBI-planted agents provocateur trying to trick Trump supporters into following them into violence, to feed the (97% Democrat ) DOJ/FBI's narrative of "dangerous violent Trump supporters".

Tucker Carlson has also been reporting this story, of multiple rioters being identified as FBI agents, who were the ones actually pushing the Trump supporters crowd to violence, and the liberal media's silence about it, and Facebook, Twitter and other social media's attempt to snuff out and silence his reports on the subject from any discussions or visibility.

The same way the FBI sent agents to Donald Trump Jr., to Michael Caputo, to George Pappadapoulos, to Jerome Corsi, agents pretending to be Russiaan agents or offering compromising Russian e-mails on Hillary Clinton, none of whom took the bait, and in the cases of Caputo, actually reported the offer to the FBI, who he said already seemed to know in advance about the offer, and were disappointed he didn't take the bait.

The same way the FISA court was weaponized against the Trump campaign.

Score another coup for the Deep State against Trump and his supporters, weaponizing government against its citizens, attempting to crush them into submission, by framing them for crimes and intimidating all opposition to the Democrat-Bolshevik power grab.
Tucker Carlson's Tuesday broadcast presented undeniable facts, that multiple persons who were at the center of the Jan 6th violence, the ones who planned and incited the violence, are listed in the FBI's reports as "un-indicted conspirators", and are neither in custody or being pursued for arrest by the FBI, for the reason that they --the instigators and planners of the "armed insurrection" ! -- appear to be FBI agents.
Federal agents, without whose planning, supply and incitement, the violence would on Jan 6th would never have occurred. To set a trap, to frame Trump supporters.


Tucker Carlson, Tuesday, June 15, 2021


"Confidential informant #2" in the FBI report shared a hotel room with 65-year old Thomas Caldwell, the "commander" of the Oath Keepers present at the Jan 6th riots. And yet from the FBI's own account, it was not "commander" Thomas Caldwell or Oath Keepers who actually planned the attack, the "quick reaction force" was led by "confidential informant # 3."

https://nypost.com/2021/03/12/oath-keeper-thomas-caldwell-charged-in-capitol-riot-to-be-released/

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March 12, 2021


A reputed Oath Keepers “commander” charged in the deadly Capitol riot can be released on home confinement while he awaits trial, a federal judge ruled Friday, explaining that there was no evidence he ever entered the building.

Judge Amit Mehta of US District Court in Washington, D.C., said accused organizer Thomas Caldwell may have helped plan the Jan. 6 insurrection, but there’s no evidence he himself ever even intended to enter the Capitol on that day.
“There are no text message communications by him that speak to actually entering the building or trying to enter the building and ultimately he did not enter the building,” Mehta said in court, adding, “There is evidence here that I think is favorable to Mr. Caldwell.”

Caldwell’s release was a direct blow to prosecutors, who say he’s a direct threat to the community and that he was a mastermind behind the Oath Keepers’ plot to disrupt Congress’ certification of then President-elect Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory.

In ordering Caldwell freed, Mehta also said he had been suffering from serious medical issues while in jail; he will wear a GPS monitoring bracelet while on home confinement.
Caldwell, of Berryville, Virginia, was busted in January on charges including conspiracy, obstruction of an official proceeding, and destruction of government property.
The 65-year-old Caldwell is one of nine suspected Oath Keepers who have been charged with conspiring to attack the Capitol, which resulted in the deaths of five people, including a Capitol police officer.
[ And by the way, since this article was written on March 12 if not known before, it was revealed that the "resulted in the deaths of 5 people" talking point is a completely false narrative, the deaths were (1) a heart attack, (2) a stroke, (3) officer Brian Sicknick was a second stroke, (4) a 34-year old Trump supporter died of a drug overdose, and 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt was shot for no logical reason by a Capitol police officer. So that is *ZERO* deaths caused by Trump supporters, 4 deaths by natural causes and not violence, and one Trump supporter shot by a trigger happy Capitol police officer. ] --WB

Court papers say Caldwell was known to other members as “Commander Tom.” He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted of the crimes.


Another crumbling narrative is that Oath Keepers is responsible for most of the violence, and that it's a dangerous right wing militant organization.
But...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

It's an organization of mostly current and former military, and current and former police officers, with a national membership of about 35,000.
Out of that, advance online social media communications by Oath keepers up till Jan 6th that were intercepted by NYPD, Capitol police, FBI and DHS, showed that of all those 35,000 (or at its lowest estimated membership, 5,000) only "about 30" Oath Keepers told each other by Facebook and Twitter they planned to attend the Jan 6th protests.

Assuming "up to" 30 showed up on Jan 6th for protests, the FBI is now pursuing a case against 9 Oath Keepers members. And as the above article makes clear, even these 9 including their "commander" Thomas Caldwell did not plan or communicate that he ever planned to enter the capitol building on Jan 6th. And the charges against him are collapsing for lack of any evidence. And it appears to be "un-indicted co-conspirator # 2" and "un-indicted co-conspirator #3" (two FBI agents) who did the actual planning and orchestration of everything on Jan 6th, FBI agents who apparently wanted to dupe the Oath Keepers into joining them and make Oath Keepers and Trump supporters the patsies blamed.


Just if you weren't paying attention:

1) The Covid-19 lockdown narrative has crumbled.

2) The "hydroxychloroquine will kill you" narrative has crumbled. A study 2 weeks ago showed that patients using hydroxychloroquine (in combination with azithromycin and zinc) have a 200% greater chance of not dying. So the narrative that prevented its widespread use a year ago has const tens of thousands of U.S. lives.

3) The "natural zoonotic transmission of Covid-19 from bats to humans" is widely seen now by virology experts worldwide to have been a lie with no supporting evidence having ever surfaced. They all believe (and communicated this to Fauci as early as January 2020 !!!) the evidence shows Covid-19 was genetically altered (or "function enhanced") to so suddenlybegin infecting humans in mass numbers.
So what Fauci and Daszak and the others at CDC and the Wuhan lab (who oversaw and illegally funded the "function enhancement" research) dismissed as "conspiracy theory" for an entire year till now, stalling investigation of the true cause of the pandemic, is revealed now to be the scientific consensus for what actually happened. Another lying narrative destroyed.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...vid-19-naturally-occurring-men-knew-lie/

4) Likewise the "conspiracy" that Biden won the Nov 2012 election by deceit and fraud, is increasingly with each week gaining more evidence that it was not a "conspiracy theory", but what actually happened. Another crumbling Democrat narrative.

So basically, every narrative the Democrats, FBI, DOJ, CDC, mainstream media, Election Committee, and Biden White House have told us for the last year, is now proven to be wrong. And everything the Republicans told us for that year (dismissed as "conspiracy theory") has turned out to be true.
And incredibly, Facebook and Twitter and the liberal media are are still doing their damnedest to selectively ignore, hide and censor the true facts, to prevent people from knowing them. Doctors, reporters, entire news organizations like New York Post, witnesses, even Republican U.S. Representatives and Senators, even a then-sitting president Donald Trump, have been de-platformed and silenced from mainstream news and social media.
But the truth is coming out regardless, despite the Democrat-Bolsheviks and their allies in the media. On every front.
.

In the interview portion of Tucker Carlson's opening segment on Jan 6th and the FBI abuses, Revolver News reporter Darren Beattie calls for a "Church Committee 2.0".

Looking it up, this was previous "Church Committee 1.0", a Senate committee in 1975 to investigate abuses of power by the FBI, CIA, NSA, and IRS, weaponized against U.S. citizens.
The very same agencies at the center of abuses of power over the last 12 years of the Obama-Biden era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
More video footage of Trumpers beating cops up
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man


My linked and sourced facts, your lying Democrat talking points.

There is no proof that it was "Trump supporters" beating up cops.
John Earle Sullivan and his group of Antifa/BLM supporters were at the center of what violence did occur at the Capitol on Jan 6th.
And now it is revealed that about 20 "un-indicted co-conspirators" (i.e., FBI agents) ACTUALLY LED and PLANNED the violence, in an attempt to frame Trump supporters.

Likewise the plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer. At least 2, maybe 3 of the "white supremacists" involved in the plot were actually FBI agents or informers. Out of 5 involved, that's at least 40 percent of those involved!
By all appearances, it was the FBI who introduced the idea and the resources to kidnap Whitmer, and just got a few witless dupes to follow along with it.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-government-agents-helped-organize-capitol-riot

https://neonnettle.com/news/15623-t...e-almost-certainly-undercover-fbi-agents
One person whacking someone with a flagpole is not an "armed insurrection".
It is something that happens in a riot.

It is far less than what Antifa and Black Lives Matter did over the last year in over 275 cities nationwide.
What Antifa and BLM continue to do in cities nationwide EVERY DAY, and yet get a free pass for. Antifa and BLM do far more organized attacks on police and federal buildings and monuments, and on the White House in May 2020, and the BLM/Antifa attack on hundreds of the highest Republican officials as they left the 2020 Republican National Convention. All these Democrat/Leftist attacks far more fit the definition of an organized "armed insurrection", than the scattered bits of violence on Jan 6th that Democrats continue to distort and lie about.

And most of the actual violence on Jan 6th was committed by BLM/Antifa (John Earle Sullivan and his group), or 20 "un-indicted co-conspirators" who were FBI agents, who from these two separate and different organized conspiracies of deceit, committed violence on Jan 6th with the clear intent to frame Trump supporters for it.

The FBI initially arrested about 280 people from Jan 6th, 90% of whom were arrested for "trespassing" and "violating curfew", ***NOT*** for violent acts. But to support the lying Democrat narrative, these Trump-supporter trespassers are being held indefinitely in prison for non-violent charges, just to support that lying Democrat narrative.
While ACTUAL Antifa and BLM violent insurrectionists who tried to club or burn police and federal agents to death in cities nationwide, deliberately blinded police and federal agents with lasers, and with military tactics tried to storm multiple federal buildings, including Trump's White House, and other federal court buildings, were all set free without charges by the same 97% Democrat FBI .

And when that 280 arrests was not enough to continue their lying Jan 6th narrative, the FBI expanded its arrests to 400 Trump supporter trespassers.

And after Democrat-partisan apparatchik Merrick Garland was appointed as Attorney General, he lyingly alleged that "white supremacist insurrectionists" were the greatest threat to the U.S. (based on nothing) and again tried to expand the arrests of mere trespasser Trump supporters on Jan 6th to over 500 arrests, just to keep the lying "national threat" narrative alive.

That's all these arrests are, just a prop for a lying Democrat narrative. A narrative that is increasingly exposed and falling apart.
The legal definition of an insurrection…
insurrection n

: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. ;also. : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…

There was obviously more than just the one guy swinging a pipe. But maybe Webster is now part of your broad conspiracy? And trumpers have little to no anger for their acts of violence btw. These people are even seen as patriots for the extra deplorables.

Spin all you want WB, I’ll never trust you or any trumper with protecting democracy. If Trump had succeeded in staying in power despite losing the election (not even close) you would have rationalized it.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The legal definition of an insurrection…
insurrection n

: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government. ;also. : the crime of inciting or engaging in such revolt [whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or against the authority of the United States…

There was obviously more than just the one guy swinging a pipe. But maybe Webster is now part of your broad conspiracy? And trumpers have little to no anger for their acts of violence btw. These people are even seen as patriots for the extra deplorables.

Spin all you want WB, I’ll never trust you or any trumper with protecting democracy. If Trump had succeeded in staying in power despite losing the election (not even close) you would have rationalized it.

Your side are such fucking liars.
You are trying to exaggerate a riot, a RIOT, to be far more than it truly was, while ignoring ** ACTUAL ** insurrection and treason and destruction in the tens of billions by Black Lives Matter and Antifa on your side, in over 275 cities nationwide over the last year.

YOUR SIDE was pulling down statues of Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and other national heroes, that you lyingly ignore.
The Democrat/Left were (and are) trying to undermine our national identity, slander our history, and undermine our legitimacy to even exist as a nation !

And you have the audacity to try and create a lying narrative that it is conservatives and 74.3 million deeply patriotic Trump supporters who are the traitors and insurrectionists ?!?

I've already laid out how John Earl Sullivan and other leftist BLM/Antifa traitors infiltrated the Jan 6th protests, PRETENDING to be Trump supporters while smashing windows and committing other violence, OPENLY BOASTING about doing it to frame Trump supporters and possibly trick Trump supporters to follow them into violence, VIDEOTAPING and POSTING ON THE INTERNET their own self-incriminating acts, including orchestrating the shooting of Ashli Babbitt by a Capitol police officer.

And the 20 or so FBI agents and informants who are(in the FBI's own Jan 6th investigation reports) "un-indicted co-conspirators" who further framed Trump supporters, weaponizing federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies against Trump supporters, to crush them as part of a Deep State authoritarian Democrat-Bolshevik takeover.

Possibly all the guys "swinging pipes" were either Antifa/BLM , or "un-indicted co-conspirator" FBI agents.

AGAIN: Out of over 100,000 protesters on Jan 6th, only about 600 ever went inside the Capitol building, and of those about 90% were only cited for "trespassing" or "violating curfew", **NOT** for any violence. And yet the FBI has many of these people in prison indefinitely for months, just for trespassing, just to create a lying Democrat-Bolshevik narrative of a "dangerous white supremacist insurrection".


Yours is the side that worships Cultural Marxism/Socialism and is trying to crush all dissent and create an authoritarian Marxist one-party system.
Yours is the side that is stoking racist hatred and violence toward white America, and toward Trump supporting conservatives.
Your side are a dangerous Cultural Marxist Bolshevik liars, and the facts of the last 10 years, and particularly the last year, abundantly prove that.

https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elec...trump-supporters-explode-post-acquittal/

https://www.conservapedia.com/2020_Leftwing_insurrection

https://patriotpost.us/articles/77647-the-lefts-insurrection-hypocrisy-2021-02-10

https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/1...-anarchists-better-than-capitol-rioters/
I think you have made it clear that you will downplay an actual attack on the capitol in an effort to halt a legal federal election to be certified. I value democracy and sadly that puts you on another side.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think you have made it clear that you will downplay an actual attack on the capitol in an effort to halt a legal federal election to be certified. I value democracy and sadly that puts you on another side.


I've cited the linked and sourced FACTS.

All you have, M E M, is a lying Democrat bumper-sticker slogan, without a shred of evidence to support it.
See my links above.
Pence proud to certify election results

Harris will be the next VP that will have the duty of certifying election results. The “hang Pence” crowd surely doesn’t believe she could do what they wanted Pence to do.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Pence proud to certify election results

Harris will be the next VP that will have the duty of certifying election results. The “hang Pence” crowd surely doesn’t believe she could do what they wanted Pence to do.

I don't support the notion to "hang Pence", but he has shattered my confidence in him. And I and millions of other Republicans he has betrayed will never vote for him again. That was made clear in how Pence was heckled on the stage a week ago at a conservative conference.

I always regarded Pence as an unreliable establishment figure the Republican party selected to be on the ballot with Trump in 2016, who would either prove himself or be discarded in 2020 for a more reliable conservative. But no one could have anticipated how cowardly Pence would be on Jan 6th, and how thoroughly he would betray his voters.
No Trump or other MAGA ticket in the future will ever include Pence. He has ruined his own credibility.
I never liked Pence but he chose democracy and the rule of law. On Jan 6 he was the one calling for help to protect the capitol and those inside of it. He didn’t create new powers in certifying the election that you would never accept from a democrat VP. I guess it says it all when that is betrayal to you and other trumpers.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I never liked Pence but he chose democracy and the rule of law. On Jan 6 he was the one calling for help to protect the capitol and those inside of it. He didn’t create new powers in certifying the election that you would never accept from a democrat VP. I guess it says it all when that is betrayal to you and other trumpers.

Pence chose to stifle open debate of the election's legitimacy. He abdicated his vice presidential power, because he lacked the courage to do the right thing.

And televised debates for 2 weeks during a House/Senate joint session on the issue would have exposed much earlier the evidence of election fraud, and perhaps even prevented an illegitimate Joe Biden from ever being inaugurated, and unleashing the chaos on the nation he is right now. Skyrocketing energy prices and destruction of our border security, for openers.
Or, maybe you and your ilk are so delusional that you won't accept the reality of what you see as fraud and that Pence was doing the right thing because it was the right thing.

The funniest thing here is that you already set the table and say that it would have proven the fraud. Well, the fuck if it didn't? You guys wouldn't have been happy still and that's what this is all about: sad morons not feeling that they should have to be electorally sad. Fuck you and your debate. Your orange god lost, you wanker.
Yeah it became clear that there is never going to be acceptance of the election results. And seeing how far Trumpers have been willing to go to try and get around that election loss doesn’t just make me angry but also afraid going forward. What happens if in the next election a republican legislature declares voter fraud and just throws the votes out and appoints their own electors?
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I never liked Pence but he chose democracy and the rule of law. On Jan 6 he was the one calling for help to protect the capitol and those inside of it. He didn’t create new powers in certifying the election that you would never accept from a democrat VP. I guess it says it all when that is betrayal to you and other trumpers.

Pence chose to stifle open debate of the election's legitimacy. He abdicated his vice presidential power, because he lacked the courage to do the right thing.

And televised debates for 2 weeks during a House/Senate joint session on the issue would have exposed much earlier the evidence of election fraud, and perhaps even prevented an illegitimate Joe Biden from ever being inaugurated, and unleashing the chaos on the nation he is right now. Skyrocketing energy prices and destruction of our border security, for openers.

You are creating new constitutional powers Pence didn’t have. Harris will not be able to do it either nor do I think for one minute you would accept that new interpretation as ever applying equally to anyone you didn’t vote for. You wanted a loophole to keep your pos in power despite losing the election. It wasn’t even close.
Originally Posted by iggy
Or, maybe you and your ilk are so delusional that you won't accept the reality of what you see as fraud and that Pence was doing the right thing because it was the right thing.

The funniest thing here is that you already set the table and say that it would have proven the fraud. Well, the fuck if it didn't? You guys wouldn't have been happy still and that's what this is all about: sad morons not feeling that they should have to be electorally sad. Fuck you and your debate. Your orange god lost, you wanker.

You're such a foul piece of crap, Iggy. With no facts on your side.

In every state where even a limited investigation has been done, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Montana, Arizona, evidence has shown the voting machines were corrupted in Nov 2020. And more evidence comes out every week, as pressure mounts for full forensic recounts in every other state, beyond the recount that just ended in Arizona.

Joe Biden and the Democrats are currupt in so many ways, in the ACTUAL Russia collusion by the Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign and by the DC where they literally paid Russian intelligence officials for their "russia Dossier", for their abuse of FBI, DOJ and CIA to frame Trump and his officials, for Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's corrupt selling of Biden's office as VP for tens of millions of dollars through Hunter to "the Big Guy". And it is only Democrat hijacking of the FBI and DOJ that prevents these from being prosecuted. Every one of Hunter's business partners iss in jail already for these crimes, only Hunter Biden escaped because he is corruptly protected. And this is suppressed from being widely reported by an unholy alliance of the Democrat party with the liberal media an Big Tech/social media giants, who are likewise suppressing coverage of the facts. But regardless, those ARE the fact, no matter how much the Democrats try to hide them.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Yeah it became clear that there is never going to be acceptance of the election results. And seeing how far Trumpers have been willing to go to try and get around that election loss doesn’t just make me angry but also afraid going forward. What happens if in the next election a republican legislature declares voter fraud and just throws the votes out and appoints their own electors?


Again: there is abundant evidence of election fraud. More every week. That is still expanding.

Does it really make sense that every incumbent Republican House and Senate candidate won, none of them lost, and many of them were losing, and then when Trump campaigned for them they won, but Trump lost?

No, it doesn't.
Does it make sense that more blacks voted for Biden than they did for Barack Obama? No, it doesn't.

https://defconnews.com/2020/11/29/17-facts-that-prove-biden-stole-the-2020-election/
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I never liked Pence but he chose democracy and the rule of law. On Jan 6 he was the one calling for help to protect the capitol and those inside of it. He didn’t create new powers in certifying the election that you would never accept from a democrat VP. I guess it says it all when that is betrayal to you and other trumpers.

Pence chose to stifle open debate of the election's legitimacy. He abdicated his vice presidential power, because he lacked the courage to do the right thing.

And televised debates for 2 weeks during a House/Senate joint session on the issue would have exposed much earlier the evidence of election fraud, and perhaps even prevented an illegitimate Joe Biden from ever being inaugurated, and unleashing the chaos on the nation he is right now. Skyrocketing energy prices and destruction of our border security, for openers.

You are creating new constitutional powers Pence didn’t have. Harris will not be able to do it either nor do I think for one minute you would accept that new interpretation as ever applying equally to anyone you didn’t vote for. You wanted a loophole to keep your pos in power despite losing the election. It wasn’t even close.


His power as Vice President on Jan 6 2021 was to approve, or not approve, the electoral votes. Period.

Given the amount of irregularities in multiple states:
* the illegitimate executive orders by governors and secretaries of states changing laws, that only a State legislature was legally and constitutionally able to do.
* The absentee ballots on clean pages that were clearly not three-folded and mailed in envelopes.
* The situations in multiple cities where vote observers were forced to leave, and vote counting continued without observers, that suddenly spiked to over 90% for Biden and pushed him over the top.
* and stopping the vote count in 7 states on election night (obviously giving corrupt Democrat election officials the opportunity to count the existing votes, and then manufacture the fake ballots to create an artificial "narrow victory" for Biden).
On and on.

Pence had the ability to NOT approve the electoral votes based on these corrupt irregularities.
And at the very least stall the confirmation of the electors, and allow Republican Senators and House members to debate the evidence of election fraud for 2 or more weeks on national television, on the joint-session Capitol floor, circumnavigating the censoring of half the political dialogue that was occurring on broadcast, print and social media. In House/Senate debates those public hearings , nationally televised, could not be rabbit-holed by the collective media.


https://dailyangle.com/articles/mike-pence-s-to-do-list-for-jan-6-2021

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No bank would refuse to verify signatures on contested checks. The selection of the next president is just as important, and the potential fraud on millions of ballots renders the reported results unworthy of certification.

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Pence could seek a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court on the issue of his authority on Jan. 6. Better yet, Pence should act in accordance with the 12th Amendment by declining to accept tainted certificates, and then enjoy watching Democrats scamper to the Supreme Court to seek intervention.

Pence could also do what Democrats insisted was necessary before voting in the impeachment trial earlier this year: call witnesses and hear evidence. If essential before voting on a removal of a president, then likewise before certifying a fraudulent presidential election.

No one would be disenfranchised by Senate President Pence if he declines to recognize tainted certificates from states lacking election integrity. This election would then go into the House of Representatives, where each state would have one vote on behalf of its residents in choosing the next president.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Yeah it became clear that there is never going to be acceptance of the election results. And seeing how far Trumpers have been willing to go to try and get around that election loss doesn’t just make me angry but also afraid going forward. What happens if in the next election a republican legislature declares voter fraud and just throws the votes out and appoints their own electors?


Again: there is abundant evidence of election fraud. More every week. That is still expanding.

Does it really make sense that every incumbent Republican House and Senate candidate won, none of them lost, and many of them were losing, and then when Trump campaigned for them they won, but Trump lost?

No, it doesn't.
Does it make sense that more blacks voted for Biden than they did for Barack Obama? No, it doesn't.

https://defconnews.com/2020/11/29/17-facts-that-prove-biden-stole-the-2020-election/

6 months after and Trump has nothing that stands up in court. Partisan claims need to be proven in court. Trumpers have not done that. And yes I can believe Trump who couldn’t win the popular vote in ‘16 scared enough people to not only lose it again but also blew the electoral college. And because he’s an unfit piece of crap is now lying about losing. It’s what he’s done all his life.
And again you would never accept a democrat VP doing what you wanted Pence to do. At best Trump and fans would have plunged the country into war trying to throw out the election.
Originally Posted by M E M
6 months after and Trump has nothing that stands up in court. Partisan claims need to be proven in court. Trumpers have not done that. And yes I can believe Trump who couldn’t win the popular vote in ‘16 scared enough people to not only lose it again but also blew the electoral college. And because he’s an unfit piece of crap is now lying about losing. It’s what he’s done all his life.


As what I linked above details, even in November and December , 20 state attorney generals put a case before the U S Supreme Court, that the U S S C ignored, saying it "lacks standing", to hear the case, despite that the case detailed how state governors and secretaries of state had broken their own state constitutions, in changing election laws that only a majority vote of the state legislature could legally change.
The U S S C, or specifically a cowardly John Roberts, was overheard shouting at Kavanaugh, Coney-Barrett, and Alito saying "Do you want to be responsible for cities burning?" The U S S C's job is only to rule if a law is constitutional or unconstitutional, not to cower from that responsibility in fear of what it MIGHT cause. And my attitude is, the cities are burning either way. The same BLM and Antifa nightly violence continues now under a Biden administration.
Better for the U S S C and other Republican and Democrat leaders not to be intimidated , to instead do what's right, rather than be intimidated by the lawless mob.
The attorney generals of 20 states rightly sued because election laws were changed lawlessly by unconstitutional methods, by executive order and other tricks, that unlawfully changed the Nov 2020 election. In Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in Arizona, in Michigan, in Wisconsin. Roberts in his suppression of U S S C action on that case abdicated his responsibility to preserve and protect the Constitution.

If a lawful audit of votes were permitted that eliminated Biden's margin of victory in only three or four of those states by throwing out fraudulent illegal votes, that alone would show Trump lawfully won the election, several times over.
As as I've pointed out repeatedly, in every one of those states, the illegal votes that would have been rejected as invalid in any previous presidential election . The fraudulent ballots thrown out would be several times Biden's margin of victory, clearly shifting the outcome in Trump's favor, in every one of those states.
Only by hiding the facts can Democrats avoid that happening.

https://peternavarro.com/the-navarro-report/

Trump was winning in a landslide up until about 1 AM, when Democrat election supervisors stopped the vote-counting in those 7 states (so they could count the votes, see how far ahead Trump was, and manufacture the fake votes to produce a "narrow victory" for Biden.)

Barack Obama got 3.5 million less votes in 2012 than he had in 2008, and yet still won.

Donald Trump won with 11 million more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016... and yet he mysteriously lost the 2020 election. There is no consistency to the way blacks and hispanics voted in a few corrupt key cities (Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, Phoenix) in unprecedented numbers that blacks indifferently DIDN'T vote for Biden in other states around the country.
And blacks voted in higher numbers for Joe Biden than they they did for Barack Obama? Absolutely no way. I've already linked the details that show the vote totals don't make sense, and the centers of victory for Biden are not consistent with the way blacks voted in every other part of the country.

And when was the last time that the vote counting was stopped on election night, and we didn't have the vote count totals, even 7 days later?
NEVER !

There is no way to explain that other than a rigged election. In the pattern of a Venezuela election, using the Dominion/Smartmatic voting machines they perfected rigging elections on. And other multiple streams of election fraud I detailed earlier int he topic.

There are at least 20 different ways votes were systematically rigged :

* votes by thousands of dead voters, in every state,
* illegal out of state voters,
* double voters,
* completely fake voter names,
* voting in the names of people who rarely vote, thousands of whom were then not able to vote in person when they came to the poll center and found someone else had already voted in their name, ,
* vote counters deliberately changing Republican votes to Democrat votes as if they voted Democrat, ,
* ballot harvesting,
* USPS carriers throwing away Republican mail-in ballots,
* USPS carriers (on orders from their supervisors) to set aside Democrat ballots many days after the election ended, and supervisors illegally stamed them back-dated as if they arrived before election day so they would be counted
* someone printing thousands of "mail in ballots" and making thousands of copies of one ballot,
* fake mail-in ballots that were mysteriously mailed back filled in the very same day they were mailed out,
* producing tens of thousands of fake Biden ballots with no chain of custody Atlanta and Detroit counting centers, counted when police forced vote observers to leave,
* having Democrat police throw out Republican vote observers so they couldn't witness the fraud,
* blocking the windows so observers couldn't even see while standing outside the vote counting room,
* creating a fake water main breakage in the Atlanta center and forcing all the vote observers to leave, and then ON CAMERA pulling out 200,000 secret fake ballots from under a table and counting them all night,
* re-scanning the same stacks of Biden votes over and over, adding the same votes to the total multiple times.
* changing of votes on Dominion and Smartmatic machines by Democrats doing "voter adjudication" to change votes to Biden, ,
* and further hacking of those Dominion voting machines remotely from China and other nations,

...and many other vote-rigging methods. done so aggressively and blatantly.

Democrats just refuse to acknowledge the obvious. The evidence right in front of you.
Evidence of voter-machine vulnerability to hacking and vote-changing, evidence that mail-in ballots were a playground ripe for the hacking.
Even France long ago outlawed mail-in ballots for precisely that reason.
Even Jimmy Carter in one study warned that mail-in ballots were a threat to election integrity, and the republic itself. JIMMY CARTER !
Even CNN and Sen. Amy Klobuchar and other Democrats were sounding the alarm about Dominion machines' vulnerability to hacking, as recently as 2019. Vulnerabilities to nationwide election fraud these same previous alarmists on the subject have now gone silent on, and pretend they never gave warnings or reported on the subject, Warnings by Democrat elected officials, and liberal news networks !

https://www.westernjournal.com/reve...ter-warning-dominion-election-tech-2019/

https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/pu...he-impact-of-foreign-influence-campaigns

https://www.wnd.com/2020/11/flashba...-warned-voting-machines-switching-votes/

https://www.oann.com/cnn-exposes-grave-threat-of-voting-fraud/

https://www.oann.com/new-york-times...out-potential-dangers-of-election-fraud/

https://www.oann.com/growing-number...ction-results-pushing-for-hand-recounts/

https://www.oann.com/watch-overturning-fraudulent-elections/

https://www.oann.com/senate-investi...s-major-discrepancies-deleted-databases/

https://www.oann.com/lawmakers-continue-investigation-into-extensive-evidence-of-widespread/

https://www.oann.com/deleted-files-...-refuses-to-hand-over-machine-passwords/

https://www.oann.com/mounting-votin...fusal-to-allow-audit-of-voting-machines/

I love how Pearson Sharp uses liberal media news reports to show that liberal media recognized there was a threat of voter fraud vulnerability, quoting sources like CNN, NBC News and the New York Times. And warnings by Democrat Senate and House leaders and a Democrat former president (Carter). Until there was a Nov 2020 Democrat victory by election fraud, and then suddenly the collective liberal media and Democrat leadership did a total 180 flip, and started with "What election fraud?!? There is no fraud, that's just right wing conspiracy theory!!" , circling in protection mode around Biden.
But they can't bury their own print and broadcast reports of the election fraud threat, or the same warnings from three Democrat senators (one of them Amy Klobuchar) and one Democrat Representative.
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https://www.oann.com/jan-6-detainees-subjected-to-inhumane-conditions/
As I said, lots of allegations and lies that don’t hold up in court. And now everyone can see how much trumpers really value democracy.

And I should add WB a lot of the court cases you were for after the election amounted to trying to toss out good votes because very partisan sources conveniently feel that there was voter fraud. Can’t prove it in court even this far out after but trumpers were more than willing to ditch any legitimate votes to get the result you wanted.
I just watched newly released video of a capitol officer stomped on and dragged off into the crowd. He needed staples in his head afterwards. Do you feel these people deserve better treatment?
Video here that I mentioned…
Trump capitol riot
“ Newly released body camera footage appears to show rioters dragging police officers into the pro-Trump mob laying siege to the US Capitol during the insurrection on 6 January.

The video is part of an exhibit in a Capitol insurrection case and was released by the US Department of Justice under court order, NBC4 reported.

The violent video appears to show a rioter dragging one of the officers by their helmet or neckline down a set of stairs and into the mob.

Jack Whitton, accused of being one of the brawlers involved in the assault, allegedly told one of the officers: “You’re going to die tonight.”

He later reportedly said in a text message that he “fed [an officer] to the people”.”

“[I don’t know] his status,” he supposedly wrote in the text message to a friend, concerning the officer. “And [I] don’t care [to be honest].”


A CrossFit instructor from Georgia, Mr Whitton allegedly beat one of the officers with a metal crutch and was denied bond in April with a judge declaring that he posed “a serious danger”.

Colorado resident Jeffrey Sabol was also allegedly involved in the fight. Prosecutors say he planned to flee to Switzerland but is now stuck in jail, the Washington Post reported. Court documents state that he told officers that he tried to take his own life.
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My facts, vs. your baseless insinuating propaganda lies, M E M.

And I love how your side digs up one lone leftist Capitol police officer, to feed your side exactly the narrative the Left wants to hear. There aren't dozens of officers coming forward to say this, there's ONE GUY creating this narrative, playing the victim.

In the "FIVE PEOPLE KILLED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS" narrative, every word of that talking points headline I already deconstructed as a proven complete lie. The only person killed that day was Ashli Babbitt, by an overzealous Capitol police officer for no valid reason.
And the corrupt Democrat-partisan Capitol police, liberal media, and even the DC coroner's office who deliberately prolonged Brian Sicknick's autopsy to keep the lying narrative about his death alive, ALL conspired to tell this lie.

Add to that how most of the violence that occurred that day was demonstrably done under a false flag, attempting to blame the violence on Trump supporters. Both BLM/Antifa, and the Boogaloos anarchist leftists whose leader openly attacked Trump that day ALL DAY on social media.
And the 20 or so Democrat-weaponized "un-indicted co-conspirator" FBI agents who separately ALSO tried to frame Trump supporters.

Violence that all these other groups planned and committed, and attempted to get Trump supporters to go along with. I can't wait till these FBI agents are forced to testify in hearings as to what they were doing, and how they planned everything they are trying to blame Trump supporters for. The true facts are coming out a little more every week, despite the Democrat Bolsheviks who run your party, and their brethren in the DOJ/FBI doing their damnedest to bury it. It's coming out anyway. And as I cited in multiple examples over the last 10 years, this kind of false-flag deception is par for the course for how the Democrat party operates, and with just as many examples, how the Bolshevik wing of the FBI operates as well.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Video here that I mentioned…
Trump capitol riot
“ Newly released body camera footage appears to show rioters dragging police officers into the pro-Trump mob laying siege to the US Capitol during the insurrection on 6 January.

The video is part of an exhibit in a Capitol insurrection case and was released by the US Department of Justice under court order, NBC4 reported.

The violent video appears to show a rioter dragging one of the officers by their helmet or neckline down a set of stairs and into the mob.

Jack Whitton, accused of being one of the brawlers involved in the assault, allegedly told one of the officers: “You’re going to die tonight.”

He later reportedly said in a text message that he “fed [an officer] to the people”.”

“[I don’t know] his status,” he supposedly wrote in the text message to a friend, concerning the officer. “And [I] don’t care [to be honest].”


A CrossFit instructor from Georgia, Mr Whitton allegedly beat one of the officers with a metal crutch and was denied bond in April with a judge declaring that he posed “a serious danger”.

Colorado resident Jeffrey Sabol was also allegedly involved in the fight. Prosecutors say he planned to flee to Switzerland but is now stuck in jail, the Washington Post reported. Court documents state that he told officers that he tried to take his own life.


From your own link:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-capitol-riot-video-police-b1881510.html

Quote
Newly released body camera footage appears to show rioters dragging police officers into the pro-Trump mob laying siege to the US Capitol during the insurrection on 6 January.

The video is part of an exhibit in a Capitol insurrection case and was released by the US Department of Justice under court order, NBC4 reported.

That is the full extent of the text. No facts, just wild speculation, to try and present a lying Democrat narrative. ZERO facts.

Keep in mind that the FBI are 97% Democrat-loyalists and donors, who have a clear vested interest in supporting a Democrat narrative rather than investigating the true facts.
And protecting the 20 or so "un-indicted co-conspirators" they sent to infiltrate in the weeks leading up to the Jan 6 2021 events at the Capitol.

Few or none of the people you like to label as violent Trump supporters on Jan 6th, can actually be proven to have been Trump supporters, rather than false-flag agitators. But there's plenty of video evidence of BLM/Antifa "Jayden X" and his group openly gloating about framing Trump supporters, and about tricking Trump supporters into following them.
There's plenty of evidence in the FBI's own investigation reports of Jan 6th that they sent in about 20 "un-indicted co conspirators" (or FBI agents) in to plan what violence did occur, and try to trick Trump supporters into going along with it.

As I've already cited abundant examples of, your party (and the FBI) have a long record of framing people for crimes they didn't commit. And your party are the experts at violence, insurrection, and destroying America and its historic monuments, killing at least 25 police and civilians in 2020, and looting and burning whole cites, at least 275 cities nationwide. And slandering our country as an evil racist place that doesn't deserve to exist, with not one Democrat senator, not one Democrat Congressman, not one former Democrat president or Democrat cabinet member voicing ANY objection as your vicious party has burned down America for the last year. Many of these insurrectionists parroting the talking points of A O-C and other Democrats as they did it. As they tore down George Washington's statue, URINATED on George Washington, burned a bronze George Washington to melt what was left it, and then threw it in a river. Not a word of objection from a single Democrat leader. No defense of the nation. What patriots.

But yeah, Trump supporters are dangerous insurrectionists, bla bla bla... rolleyes
Fortunately it’s on video so you can blah blah all you want about the text saying it appears to show what it appears to show. What do you see in that video? Seems pretty clear that the officer is getting dragged into an angry violent democracy hating crowd to me. There is another video in that link that uses the word “allegedly” to describe someone clearly wailing on an officer with some type of club too. So?

I think your problem is the ugly truth presented in the videos runs counter to the partisan narrative you want to embrace. You make it clear in your reactions what really outrages you. Law enforcement trying to defend our capitol and our democracy being violently beaten by a mob is all blah blah for you. Your sympathies are more for the ones doing the beating.
The kraken dies
“ The judge on Monday repeatedly asked how much work the lawyers had done to verify the fraud claims. In response, several argued that they did not need to do that, if the witnesses believed that what they were saying was true. Fact-finding could be done during the course of the lawsuit, the attorneys who filed it argued.
At one point, Parker, sitting in the Eastern District of Michigan, asked the nine lawyers who took part in bringing the lawsuit if they had ever followed up to learn if any of their so-called witnessed actually saw a vote being changed.
No one responded. "Let the record reflect," Parker responded, noting their silence.
"There has to be a minimal belief on the part of counsel that these ... are rooted in fact," Parker said. "Every lawyer has a duty" to do minimal research to verify evidence presented in court, the judge added.”

There needs to be consequences for this. In all these months since the election none of them even attempted to verify their allegations.
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https://clarion.causeaction.com/202...ots-were-both-way-more-than-bidens-lead/

https://newshourfirst.com/2021/06/07/new-election-fraud-evidence-emerges-out-of-arizona-2/


The Kraken has been released, and continues to thrash and destroy Biden's credibility. And not just in Arizona, but also in New Hampshire, in Montana, in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin. The integrity of the vote audit in Maricopa County, Arizona has created a model for many other states to emulate and expand on in their own state audits. Pennsylvania appears to be next on the list to do an audit. More evidence in favor of Trump surfaces every day, which is why Democrats are hell-bent on suppressing a vote audit in Arizona and other states.

And as stated above, Biden only "won" Arizona by 11,000 fraudulent votes, whereas the overtly fraudulent votes that should never have been counted easily exceed 100,000, And when overturned in court, will show a clear victory for Trump in Arizona, and in other states to follow. As Peter Navarro laid out in his report, there is not a single one of the 6 contested states where the fraudulent votes that should have not been counted is 10- to 20-fold the margin of Biden's fraudulent narrow victory, that would decisively give each of those states to Trump. It is only by fraud and evasion that Democrats prevent this from occurring.

https://floridianpress.com/2021/01/...ion-irregularities-the-art-of-the-steal/

https://www.thethinkingconservative...varro-Report-Vol-I-II-III-Feb-2-2021.pdf

https://peternavarro.com/the-navarro-report/
Amazing how only news that agrees with you is worthwhile. The recount in Arizona is bunk, dude. Trump lost. You are being conned and you'll see it drag out as long as possible until they end it with allegations that there are signs but the cover-up was too great to really expose the fraud. You. Will. Fall. For. It. It is what you want to hear. They're going to give it to you in spades. I assume you'll give them money in return because you are a political grift mark.
Originally Posted by iggy
Amazing how only news that agrees with you is worthwhile. The recount in Arizona is bunk, dude. Trump lost. You are being conned and you'll see it drag out as long as possible until they end it with allegations that there are signs but the cover-up was too great to really expose the fraud. You. Will. Fall. For. It. It is what you want to hear. They're going to give it to you in spades. I assume you'll give them money in return because you are a political grift mark.


Iggy, you are talking from pure emotion, and not the facts. You can parrot a Democrat bumper-sticker slogan that the Arizona audit "is bunk", but that is not the same thing as it ACTUALLY BEING bunk. That's just a Democrat narrative to prevent the evidence found in the Maricopa County audit from being taken as the evidence of corruption it truly is.

For openers, why are 20% of the ballots missing?
Why are 60% of the votes found to have been to have been erroneously counted?
Why are the errors ALWAYS in Biden's favor?
Why are the security seals on hundreds of secured vote boxes clearly tampered with prior to the audit?
Why are Democrat election board officials (and some Republicans, who also don't want to be exposed as corrupt) withholding passwords and flash-drives?
Why was everyone involved in the election vote counting using the same passwords for at least a year and a half, so that hacking of the election could not be traced to a single person using a single password?
Why was remote access online used during the election (i.e., hacked and tampered with, completely compromising the election result)?
Why were the election board and campaign workers unable to access the system themselves, without Dominion voting systems assistance? That last one alone completely compromised the election, since the election board and subordinate election officials could not independently confirm the alleged official election count results.
Why were mass numbers of non-Democrat election observers forced out of the counting floor and unable to observe, therefore letting Democrats to run wild with rigging of the votes?
Why was voting on election night stopped, and Republican and independent election observers sent home?
Why were the votes not fully counted and released until over 7 days later, UNLIKE ANY PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY STOPPED IN 7 STATES ?!?
How is it possible that more black voters voted for Joe Biden than did for even Barack Obama?
Why are Democrat votes for Biden so disproportionate to any other Arizona presidential election? As much as 200 votes for Biden, for every 1 for Trump ? That is a ratio not even seen in San Francisco or Boston, statistically impossible.
Why were hundreds of thousands of illegal and unverifiable votes counted, that would NOT have been counted in ANY PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?
Why are the dozens of volunteers who exposed this, many of whom have worked on decades of elections, being intimidated and silenced, rather than officials simply verifying there were no election irregularities? With decades of experience, these workers clearly know the difference between this election and previous legitimate ones.

Saying a meaningless insult that the re-count "is bunk" doesn't begin to answer these irregularities, or have anything to back up that "bunk" allegation.
Quite the contrary, UNLIKE the election itself, every second of this audit recount has been preserved by a dozen cameras, insuring there could be no partisan tampering.

And was visited and observed by Republican officials from other states nationwide, cited by them as the standard of integrity by which they plan to do audit-recounts in their own states.

Far from just being told what I want to hear, I want to hear the evidence. If the Democrats were not hiding to try and make this go away, I might believe them there is nothing to hide.
The evasiveness, the intimidation, the EVIDENCE, only convinces me Democrats have plenty to hide, and are not confident the EVIDENCE will prove that Biden was truly the election winner.
WB my kraken dies link shows how the lawyers didn’t even bother trying to check their claims. The multiple recounts have held up the election results. Your guy lost and it wasn’t even close.
Fact Check: untethered to reality, Trump lies over and over

WB why are you okay with the lies?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
WB my kraken dies link shows how the lawyers didn’t even bother trying to check their claims. The multiple recounts have held up the election results. Your guy lost and it wasn’t even close.


Your propaganda video shows what you would like to believe.

It DOESN'T prove that election fraud didn't occur. In a narrow argument from a hard-left political source (the Guardian), it just attacks the messenger, rather than addressing the issues raised.

And as I've said, every audit and re-count permitted (in New Hampshire, in Arizona, in Montana, in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin) has shown irregularities and fraud on a massive scale that cannot be explained. As I just pointed out linking Peter Navarro's two "Navarro Reports" on the election, he cites about 50 pages of sourced evidence that there are hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, that far exceed Biden's margin of victory in every state.
Your side is obstructing audit of the election, and slandering anyone who asks for those audits, because they know they will lose if the votes are fully examined.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man

A "factcheck" from CNN.

Don't make me laugh.

CNN is a propaganda site that has been caught in multiple lies, and that daily sells whatever the current Democrat narrative is. I would not be at all surprised if Pelosi and Schumer, and now Biden's office, don't have a daily conference call to coordinate their talking points.

https://www.projectveritas.com/news...k-engaged-in-propaganda-to-remove-trump/
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
And as I've said, every audit and re-count permitted (in New Hampshire, in Arizona, in Montana, in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin) has shown irregularities and fraud on a massive scale that cannot be explained. As I just pointed out linking Peter Navarro's two "Navarro Reports" on the election, he cites about 50 pages of sourced evidence that there are hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, that far exceed Biden's margin of victory in every state.
Your side is obstructing audit of the election, and slandering anyone who asks for those audits, because they know they will lose if the votes are fully examined.

Funny you should mention obstruction considering how hard Arizona Senate Republicans are fighting the release of documentation regarding said audit.

And, no, they haven't. You just want to believe that. You won't dare ask yourself why they wouldn't fight tooth-and-nail sitting on all this proof of fraud to be the patriots you believe them to be and remove an illegitimate government from power. No. They just bitch about it and how bad Joe is for four years. This is what you you accept as reality. They know and have evidence and do nothing but send fundraiser emails. And, those are your fucking patriots? Really?

I use emotion because you rejected real facts and reality long ago.

Sheesh!

Fuckhead.
Originally Posted by iggy
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
And as I've said, every audit and re-count permitted (in New Hampshire, in Arizona, in Montana, in Georgia, in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin) has shown irregularities and fraud on a massive scale that cannot be explained. As I just pointed out linking Peter Navarro's two "Navarro Reports" on the election, he cites about 50 pages of sourced evidence that there are hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, that far exceed Biden's margin of victory in every state.
Your side is obstructing audit of the election, and slandering anyone who asks for those audits, because they know they will lose if the votes are fully examined.

Funny you should mention obstruction considering how hard Arizona Senate Republicans are fighting the release of documentation regarding said audit.

And, no, they haven't. You just want to believe that. You won't dare ask yourself why they wouldn't fight tooth-and-nail sitting on all this proof of fraud to be the patriots you believe them to be and remove an illegitimate government from power. No. They just bitch about it and how bad Joe is for four years. This is what you you accept as reality. They know and have evidence and do nothing but send fundraiser emails. And, those are your fucking patriots? Really?

I use emotion because you rejected real facts and reality long ago.

Sheesh!

Fuckhead.


They haven't released the full results of the Maricopa County AZ audit because, after several months of a very thorough and impeccable audit, they are still just as meticulously reviewing and organizing their final report, that they plan to release within the next month.
Against your insult-laden hissy fit, you didn't begin here with logic or facts, you instantly lowered yourself to namecalling, you presented no facts, just your usual profanity-laden tantrum and insults, and then pretending you previously presented facts, you went on to a second round of namecalling and insults.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans do fundraising based on controversial issues like the contested election, Obamacare, Tech-media bias, etc. But because you're an unhinged Democrat partisan, you one-sidedly pretend Democrats don't fundraise the exact same way.

It does disappoint me that a good percentage of Republicans are RINOs who are in it for themselves and not standing up for their conservative voters and the issues that matter. I mentioned that previously, citing the book OBAMANOMICS by Tim Carney, as well as numerous other sources who have exposed that lobby influence, in both parties.

And I've been very clear that people like Mitch McConnell, justice John Roberts, Lindsey Graham, William Barr, Kevin McCarthy, Jeff Sessions, and many other Republicans, while at times making a stand for conservative issues, are unreliable conservatives who sell out and disappoint their constituents as often as they come through. And that is a trait among a large slice of Republicans that goes back to at least 2010, that I have been openly critical here of, for just as long.
There clearly are a percentage of Republicans who are in it to become rich on lobby money and exploit the people who trust them.

Or in the case of many U.S. and state-level House and Senate members, and judges all the way up to the Supreme Court, were either intimidated, are Democrat-appointed partisans, or many of both parties more concerned with keeping their position than doing the right thing. AS I PREVIOUSLY CITED AND LINKED, CHAPTER AND VERSE. Cited with specific example by me,
As contrasted with you, who hurls insults and just repeats factless Democrat / liberal media narratives.
And you ignore the Democrats who have clearly sold out and enriched themselves with lobbyist money and corrupt inside deals, such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Dianne Feinstein and many others. Republicans you freely criticize for this, but the Democrats who do it you pretend don't exist. And yes, many Republicans sell out, but you ignore that many of them don't. And if there is a chance to save the country, it is with the Republicans. The Democrats are corrupt, and completely disloyal to the country, completely taken over by a Bolshevik mentality and hatred.

That's why you stand out as a piece of shit liar, because if you really cared about conservatism, and actually supported Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul as you pretend to, you would be a hardline supporter of Donald Trump, and guys like Ron DeSantis, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes, and many others who have courageously stood against incredible opposition and would not be intimidated away from doing the right thing. In Rand Paul's case, he has been physically attacked twice, the first time inflicted with permanent injuries.
I've been very clear for over 10 years exactly who I do and don't support, and why.
You hurl slanderous insults, while never making your ideology or who you support at all clear.

Apparently you're very content with Joe Biden and his Bolshevik army bankrupting our country, destroying our military, flooding our country with criminal and disease-ridden illegal immigrants, Democrats crushing our government's federal checks and balances, to over-ride our election system and install their one-party totalitarian socialist system for the next 50 or 100 years.

Apparently you're okay with Democrats attacking Trump supporters in the streets nationwide an average of once a day, and the rhetoric of Democrat leaders cheering that on.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era

Apparently you're okay with Democrat leaders colluding with the Russians and the Chinese to overthrow our government, and Democrat leaders openly fantasizing about killing all Republicans and/or putting them in concentration camps. Apparently you're perfectly okay with hundreds of Trump supporters from January 6th being imprisoned for no good reason, who did nothing other than "trespass" inside the Capitol building, treated as if they were terrorists and violent insurrectionists by a 97% Democrat FBI, just to feed a Democrat / liberal-media narrative.
Even as they simultaneously let violent Antifa and BLM radicals free who ACTUALLY DID violently attack bystanders and police.

Apparently you're also perfectly OK with the Biden government doing nothing to stop or protect us from over 6,000 illegals a day pouring into our country completely unscreened, among them drug cartel members, human traffickers, murderers, rapists and other violent criminals, as well as thousands carrying Covid-19 (unscreened!!) and many other diseases into the country. And using taxpayer money to buy them new cel phones and bus and airline tickets, to spread their disease and crime to every city and town in the nation.

But yeah, I'M the "batshit crazy"because I see these things reported, and want them stopped. rolleyes
Democrat Bolshevik thugs tearing down statues of Washington and Lincoln, destroying our election system, bankrupting our country, Critical Race Theory, CRAZY that I would oppose these things.

What a lack of objectivity I have to not see these as a nation-endangering threat. The rhetoric coming out of the Democrat party is on a par with the hatred and violence openly advocated by the Leninist revolution, the Maoist revolution, and the Jacobinists of the French Revolution. As I cited at the time , BLM and Antifa were marching in the streets of cities last summer with guillotines and effigy heads of their political opposition, open about their violent intentions.
And in their relentless attacks on Trump supporters for the last 5 years. It's clearly not just rhetoric. They mean it.
Many of them caught on camera by Project Veritas. Democrats in high positions in the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, and in campaigns for other Democrat House and Senate candidates, and Rother Democrat presidential campaigns. And Democrat political strategists who work for them, who called Rep. Scalise's shooting at the Republican baseball game "a good start". Or the Obama officials who said on social media when Trump was announced to have Covid-19 : "Good. I hope he dies". There were over 1 million "likes" on Facebook for the news that Trump was ill, to the point that Facebook and Twitter had to put up notices telling people not to make further mean comments. )Probably only because they were giving ammunition and prroof of their malevolence to Conservative mediaa to report.) And other Democrats posting similar advocacy of violence who were appointed to Biden administration positions, to DOJ positions, to high-level Border Patrol, DHS and intelligence agency positions. Who clearly fantasized about using federal agencies to persecute Republican conservatives. And now they run those agencies.

You portray me as crazy, but I'm citing facts. Fuckhead.
I read the last line because that's probably the only thing in that screed that needs attention. You are wrong. You aren't citing facts. You are being grifted, you stupid mother fucker. You believe that's the truth because it is what you want to be the truth. You can handle reality otherwise because you are a snowflaky cockhole. He lost. Bigly. Put on your big boy pants and fucking deal with it, you delusional wankjob.
WB there’s been a lot of reporting on that “recount” detailing valid complaints, lies and concerns by not just democrats but also republicans. We don’t even know who is really funding this partisan farce. You’re only calling it impeccable because it’s not. But it’s what Trump wants and that above all else is the only principle you require. It’s all us vs them with you and other trumpers. You lost but your going to try to go for trying on making that hurt for everyone. I see you for what you are.
Huge swaths of unassailable and incontrovertible proof that fraud happened...and Wondy's "real patriots" fucking fundraise.

What a delusional fucktard Wondy is.
Honestly, Wondy, why support people who can't beat the fucking swamp?!?

Think about it, you delusional fuckwad. You're orange jesus can't do shit to stop it. He's impotent. Sad!

And, yet, you grovel before him like his hapless ass can save you. Pathetic!

That's your fucking facts and logic. Worshipping a failed savior like a fucking lemming.

Fucking wanker.
Originally Posted by iggy
Huge swaths of unassailable and incontrovertible proof that fraud happened...and Wondy's "real patriots" fucking fundraise.

What a delusional fucktard Wondy is.

Grifters will seize any opportunity to fleece the lemmings.

Can you imagine being so gullible? Giving money to Bone Spurs, a supposed billionaire?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/us/politics/trump-donations.html

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Published April 3, 2021Updated April 14, 2021

Stacy Blatt was in hospice care last September listening to Rush Limbaugh’s dire warnings about how badly Donald J. Trump’s campaign needed money when he went online and chipped in everything he could: $500.

It was a big sum for a 63-year-old battling cancer and living in Kansas City on less than $1,000 per month. But that single contribution — federal records show it was his first ever — quickly multiplied. Another $500 was withdrawn the next day, then $500 the next week and every week through mid-October, without his knowledge — until Mr. Blatt’s bank account had been depleted and frozen. When his utility and rent payments bounced, he called his brother, Russell, for help.

What the Blatts soon discovered was $3,000 in withdrawals by the Trump campaign in less than 30 days. They called their bank and said they thought they were victims of fraud.

“It felt,” Russell said, “like it was a scam.”

But what the Blatts believed was duplicity was actually an intentional scheme to boost revenues by the Trump campaign and the for-profit company that processed its online donations, WinRed. Facing a cash crunch and getting badly outspent by the Democrats, the campaign had begun last September to set up recurring donations by default for online donors, for every week until the election.
Originally Posted by iggy
Honestly, Wondy, why support people who can't beat the fucking swamp?!?

Think about it, you delusional fuckwad. You're orange jesus can't do shit to stop it. He's impotent. Sad!

And, yet, you grovel before him like his hapless ass can save you. Pathetic!

That's your fucking facts and logic. Worshipping a failed savior like a fucking lemming.

Fucking wanker.


The Democrats lost in actual numbers in Nov 2020. That should have been an overwhelming trump victory, if not for voter fraud. The election was rigged. The Democrats under cover of darkness pulled it off. But now light has been shined on that corruption, and the deceitful methods of rigging the last election can't be repeated in 2024.
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And It's still possible that the overwhelming and increasing evidence of fraud can be brought to the U S Supreme Court, and the 2020 Biden steal can be overturned before 2024. I seriously doubt a majority of the U S S C justices have the courage to do that, but the evidence is there for that to occur. I would like to be pleasantly surprised. If there is enough evidence, and enough popular pressure, they might see the case. Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito wanted to the first time. If Kavanaugh, Coney-Barret, and Gorsuch join them (all Trump appointments), that's a majority of the Court. And God forbid, that John Roberts might actually join them and make it 6.
Even without the U S S C, there is a steady stream of pro-Trump wins in lower courts, such as Arizona, Georgia, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. The audits, and the pressure of evidence of election fraud, is growing.

I don't "grovel" or "worship", I'm not a "lemming" following a "failed savior", you piece of excrement. I voted hesitantly for Trump in 2016, not sure what he could accomplish, and he achieved beyond my wildest dreams what I thought any president could do in one term. More than any other president of our lifetime, kept more of his promises than any other president, done more to strengthen and rebuild our nation than any president since Ronald Reagan. Trump is more popular now than on election day. Biden has steadily destroyed our nation from within for 6 months, and counting. And I'll never be prepared to just surrender our country to the Bolsheviks. You're a coward who wants to be like a jew in Auschwitz, cooperating with the nazis so you'll be the last one killed.
You don't deserve citizenship, you piece of shit.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
I committed myself to an echo chamber of delusion and now lash out like a turd showing his true colors whenever someone points out I'm in a cult. People who disagree with me and point out I'm in a cult are undeserving of citizenship (like all the "illegals" I complain about) despite the fact I feel the whole government is complicit in preventing my orange messiah from what is rightfully his. I am a fucking wanker of delusion.
Bumble match turns in another capitol rioter
“ Screenshots of their Bumble chat show that Taake told the match he was "peacefully standing there" at the Capitol. But prosecutors say he was involved in two violent attacks against police who were defending the building. Footage from the front lines shows Taake using pepper spray against the police line and later striking police with a metal whip, according to court filings.”

An example of loving the police?
Officers label Jan 6 rioters “terrorists”
Like I said...clusterfuck...

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-se...n-following-ban-recount-building-1614112
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He already outed that it should match up with his sharing the info he had. State Senate GOPers are even starting to back away from it. But, I'm sure Wondy jacks it to Kelli Ward like the committed wackjob he is so the absolute batshit surrounding this "audit" will seem totally above board for him.

Must be hard to be a delusional fucking wanker like Wondy.
Originally Posted by iggy
Like I said...clusterfuck...

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-se...n-following-ban-recount-building-1614112
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He already outed that it should match up with his sharing the info he had. State Senate GOPers are even starting to back away from it. But, I'm sure Wondy jacks it to Kelli Ward like the committed wackjob he is so the absolute batshit surrounding this "audit" will seem totally above board for him.

Must be hard to be a delusional fucking wanker like Wondy.

Your own profanity-laden unhinged anger undermines your credibility.
You're an angry partisan leftist fanatic looking for pseudo-facts to confirm your own preconceived biases. You have no interest in the truth. When the full Arizona audit results are released, then you'll have a basis for making a statement, vs. your eager speculation to pre-emptively dismiss it. You and the rest of the Left want to slander the Arizona audit, so when the full FACTS come out, they won't be believed. The Arizona audit is already the gold standard by which audits in other states, beginning with Georgia and Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, are moving forward.

Newsweek is clearly a part of the biased liberal media. When you see FACTS reported disproving the audit evidence (not wild speculation, based on no facts) in the Washington Journal, New York Post, The Federalist, Daily Caller, Revolver News, National Review, American Spectator, American Thinker, Human Events, OAN News, Newsmax, or even Fox News, get back to me.

Till then, you remain a vindictive partisan blowhard with nothing of substance to say.

Against the actual facts.

https://www.teaparty.org/bombshell-...7-5-joe-biden-likely-did-not-win-464716/

Democrats and the liberal media are trying to bury the true Arizona audit facts in an ocean of Democrat-Bolshevik negative propaganda.

Add to that how the Maricopa County election board didn't even have passwords to independently verify the election result. The Maricopa Election Board and subordinate election employees were completely dependent on the Dominion Voting Systems employees (ALL of them, on their social media accounts vitriolic Trump-haters, Antifa members, who proudly displayed far-Left Democrat connections until explosed). Dominion partisan radicals, who spoon-fed to Maricopa officials a version of election counts that Arizona officials COULD NOT EVEN VERIFY ON THEIR OWN. That alone disqualifies the Arizona election results.

Add to that massive swaths of missing votes and flash drives, and tampered election boxes where the seals were broken and clearly altered.

Or the 18,000 illegitimate voters who were taken off the Arizona voter-rolls just days after the election.
Biden "won" the Arizona election by only 10,473 fraudulent election votes, these exposed facts alone wipe away Biden's margin of victory, and there were hundreds of thousands of other demonstrably fraudulent votes. Dead Voters, illegal immigrant votes.

And about 74,000 "Mail-in ballots" that were clearly computer-generated pre-filled-in circle-bubbles, and flat ballot pages, CLEARLY not three-folded and mailed in envelopes, and no legally required envelopes that would normally be stapled to each ballot, to verify they were mailed in. Without the envelopes, in any previous election these ballots would immediately be thrown out as invalid. But they were received and counted, despite no record that the state of Arizona ever even mailed them out !

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...with-no-clear-record-of-them-being-sent/

https://www.westernjournal.com/74000-ballots-returned-no-record-ever-sent-shocking-az-audit-update/

In any other previous presidential election, these 74,000 ballots, and thousands more, would have been thrown out, and Trump would have decisively won Arizona, and the 5 other contested states.
And that fact, Trump's actual victory, is gradually coming to light, with more evidence trickling out a little more every day.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man



Pelosi Exposed: House Sergeant at Arms Accused of ‘Covering for Her’ on Capitol Riots Security

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by Kyle Becker, 2-28-2021


Speaker Nancy Pelosi has carefully tried to stage-manage the fallout of the Capitol riots. She has proposed a 9/11-style commission, headed by a blatantly partisan general, in order to purportedly get to the bottom of what really happened on January 6th.

The decision came on the same day she was served notice by high-ranking Republicans that she herself has many serious questions to answer regarding the Capitol attacks.

The questions include what she knew about reports of a planned attack on the Capitol building; why security requests from the former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was turned down by the House and Senate Sergeant at Arms six times; and why the Capitol security was so woeful that police officers even held the doors open for rioters and gawked as unarmed miscreants took over the Senate chamber.

Speaker Pelosi is now being accused of having weakened security before and during the Capitol riots due to “optics.” A report from the Daily Caller citing multiple anonymous sources say the former House Sergeant at Arms is “covering for her.”

The Daily Caller provides a timeline that exposes the problematic timing of Irving reportedly being contacted on the request.

The New York Times previously reported that the Speaker’s office confirmed that the National Guard was approved around 1:43 pm. Sund said he sent a request for help from the National Guard to Irving around 1:09 p.m, according to CNN. Irving said he was contacted about the matter after 2:00 pm, Axios reported. Sources questioned how Irving got the request after 2 pm but Pelosi approved the request at 1:43 pm.

“If you believe Irving’s timeline that he testified under oath to, how could he ask for permission from the Speaker 20 minutes before he got the request?” one of the sources told the Daily Caller.

“Also if you believe his sworn testimony that he never had to run the request up the chain, why did the Speaker’s office confirm he did just that?” the same source continued.

“Irving is covering for Pelosi. There’s no doubt,” another said.

The Daily Caller explained why the sources are not currently public.

“The three sources who confirmed the discussion to the Daily Caller did so under the condition of anonymity, citing the fear of putting a chill on further witnesses to how the security situation unfolded Jan. 6,” the DC stated. “The discussion, if accurate, raises questions as to what role Pelosi’s office had in the security failures that resulted in the resignations of both Irving and former Chief of Capitol Police Steven Sund. Pelosi’s Deputy Chief of Staff Drew Hammill did not deny the allegations in a statement to the Daily Caller.”

The National Pulse reported that not only was there a delay getting approval, but that it took hours for more National Guard to be on the scene, despite supposedly being on ‘stand by.’

At 1:09pm, still before the President had finished speaking, Sund called the Sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate. He told them it was time to call in the National Guard. He even said he wanted an emergency declaration. Both, however, said they would “run it up the chain” and get back to him.

At 1:50pm the Capitol itself was breached. Still before most Trump speech attendees could have arrived.

What happened after this point was a back and forth over hours between D.C. officials, Army officials, and Capitol police.

Eventually – at past 5pm – the National Guard arrived.

It is important to note that the questions are not merely about what happened during the confusion of the Capitol riots, but in the days prior.

Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund told the Congress six times there was a high risk of rioting days before the building assault. After Speaker Pelosi forced Sund to resign following the riot, he wrote her a letter explaining exactly what went wrong. The House and Sergeant at arms were forced to resign.

“Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the ‘optics’ of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence,” NPR reported. “He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.”

His requests for additional National Guard troops would be turned down.

“Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said he requested that the National Guard be placed on standby in the days before the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol, but House and Senate security officials turned him down,” the USA Today reported.

The risk of a violent riot breaking out at the January 6th Electoral College session of Congress, following a contested election that would see Donald Trump purportedly “incite” a protest, was anticipated in detail as early as last March.

This was revealed in a Time piece that exposes a full-out effort by radical groups, powerful corporations, and labor unions to “fortify” the U.S. election and keep it from being won by Donald Trump. The Time article also reveals coordination among these influential left-wing groups and radical activists to keep a low-profile at the riots.

Testimony was also entered into the Senate record today from J. Michael Waller, who attested that ‘agents provocateurs’ had infiltrated and agitated the Capitol Riots crowd.

Furthermore, concrete intelligence from early December suggesting foreign influence in the origins of the planned Capitol Building assault has since been reported by CBS News’ Catherine Herridge.

Everyone in D.C. had to have known it would be a powderkeg; just like it was following Donald Trump’s election and his inauguration in 2017, which also saw violent and destructive rioting.

In mid-November, Speaker Pelosi was asked about the propensity of Trump supporters for violence as long as the election objections continued.

Pelosi responded that the words of the president of the United States “weigh a ton,” and while President Trump did not create the problem of (right-wing) violence, “I think he fans the flames.”

“His words weigh a ton. They weigh a ton,” she said. “And people hear things in a way that could encourage some unfortunate situations, as they have done in the State of Michigan.” Pelosi was referring to a plot against Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

“There is this element in our country — I don’t think Donald Trump created it, but I think he fans the flames,” he added. “And I think that’s a dangerous situation.”

Earlier, on June 2, 2020, Pelosi called Trump a “fanner of the flames” after police had cleared protesters from outside the White House a day before.

Nancy Pelosi therefore knew and even spoke about the threat from extremists before the Capitol riots.

Despite Speaker Pelosi’s paranoia about Trump supporters and her track record of blaming them for violence, there was a glaring lack of security prior to the extremists’ planned attack on the Capitol building.

Why?


The four police officers who tesitified on Tuesday, July 27 2021 in front of Nancy Pelosi's partisan House hearing committee...

  • Aquelino Gonnell, Capitol Police Sergeant

    Michael Fanone, DC Metro Police officer

    Daniel Hodges, DC Metro Police officer

    Harry Dunn, U S Capitol Police officer


...have all been revealed to be hyper-partisan Democrats in previous interviews and in their own social media posts. They are rabidly anti-Trump, and were so long before Jan 6 2021.

And they were clearly reading partisan statements written for them, not in their own words. There was a uniformity to the fluffy language used in what they read. In the opening statement by Aquelino Gonnell in particular, this guy comes across as a semi-literate, and CLEARLY did not write some of the metaphorical flourishes tossed in his written statement someone else clearly wrote for him. They were clearly not his own vocabulary, and he stumbled to even read the script in front of him, stumbling on what were for him almost unpronounceable words in almost every sentence. It was unintentional comedy to watch.

This turned out to be pretty accurate:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/07/26/what-to-expect-from-houses-partisan-probe-of-capitol-riot/

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McCarthy countered that Pelosi had named lawmakers who share her preconceived narrative of what happened that day while Trump was finishing a speech on the Ellipse not far from the Capitol.

“The speaker has structured this select committee to satisfy her political objectives,” McCarthy said in a public statement. “She had months to work with Republicans on a reasonable and fair approach to get answers on the events and security failures surrounding Jan. 6.”

Two other members of the select committee are widely known for their roles in Trump’s two impeachments by Pelosi’s House.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He also led the team of House impeachment managers in the 2020 Senate impeachment trial of Trump. In that case, the Senate acquitted the 45th president on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

Another select committee member, Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., led the team of impeachment managers in Trump’s second Senate trial early this year, when the Senate acquitted him on the charge of inciting an insurrection.

The other Democrats on the select committee are Reps. Zoe Lofgren and Pete Aguilar, both of California; Stephanie Murphy of Florida; and Elaine Luria of Virginia.

It's a partisan show-hearing, where no facts are gathered, just a pre-conceived Trump-hating narrative, where no facts are gathered to objectively challenge that thesis, just presenting opinionated propaganda from 4 Democrat- partisan officers to conform to that narrative. There are many other officers who could be called to challenge that narrative. There was no cross-examination of their stories, everything they said was taken at face value, and the only two Republicans on the committee (Rep Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney) were basically excommunicated from the party because these RINO "bipartisan Republican committee members" are basically Democrat agents who daily act to undermine their own party. And what they learn in private Republican meetings, they report back to Nancy Pelosi. They undermine their own party at every turn.
https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/26/kevin-mccarthy-pelosi-cheney-kinzinger-jan-6-committee-congress/
https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/21/...ittee-jim-jordan-jim-banks-capitol-riot/

Michael Fanone is a Democrat fanatic, who said on video (I think for 60 Minutes) that the Republican party should be "carved out like a cancer". This jerk is another love-child of MSNBC and CNN, their biggest star since Stormy Daniels' creepy porn lawyer Michael Avenatti. He's a star on those networks only because he props up their lying narrative.

Harry Dunn over several years of social media posts describes Trump as "the racist in chief", with a Twitter hashtag by that name, among many other ultra-left partisan Democrat-Left posts. He has facebook posts of himself in Black Lives Matter clothing, expressing his support of BLM. I wonder how his fellow officers feel about that. He is anything but neutral or "just a cop doing [his] job.." He is a poisonous ideologue, hiding behind a veil of police "neutrality" that he clearly has never had. On Jan 6th, or at any time prior. And his allegations of taunts of "nigger" from the Jan 6th Capitol crowd (not one person, but by his account, the entire crowd was shouting epithets at him that day!) also rings false, and is just disgusting in its incendiary exploitation. I'm absolutely certain that the camera footage inside the Capitol that day, and the body-camera footage of himself and other officers does not verify that absurd allegation.

Likewise Daniel Hodges.

They all are clearly Democrats, and speak and act as Democrat agents, propping up the Democrat narrative. They didn't give objective reports in their House committee testimony, it was emotionally charged narrative, all using the same buzzwords like "terrorists", in statements they clearly did not write themselves.
Jan. 6 House Select Committee, first hearing on Capitol riot
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WHY CAN'T THE LEFT LET GO OF JANUARY 6th?


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by Pat Buchanan
July 27 2021


To understand what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s select committee investigation of the Capitol Hill events of Jan. 6 is all about, a good place to begin is with the sentencing hearing last week of Paul Hodgkins.
A crane operator from Tampa, Florida, Hodgkins, 38, pleaded guilty to a single count of obstructing a joint session of Congress called to confirm Joe Biden as the next president.
Hodgkins entered the Senate chamber carrying a Trump 2020 flag. He committed no assault, no act of destruction, no act of violence. Yet, he was sentenced to eight months in prison by U.S. Judge Randolph Moss.

Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Sedky argued for a sentence of twice that length, a year and a half, because, as she told the judge, “Jan. 6 was genuinely an act of terrorism.”

But is that true? Was Jan. 6 “an act of terrorism” — of the character if not the magnitude, say, of the Oklahoma City bombing?

Hodgkins’ attorney vigorously rejected that depiction.

To call Jan. 6 “domestic terrorism,” said [Hodgekins' attorney] Patrick Leduc, is “offensive and gaslighting the country … It was a protest that became a riot, period, full stop.”
Leduc is correct: Jan. 6th was a riot. Had it truly been “domestic terrorism,” as the U.S. attorney claimed, why would she have accepted a guilty plea for a single nonviolent offense?

Why did she[Mona Sedky] not throw the book at the terrorist?

Looking back, what was Jan. 6 in reality?

A huge pro-Trump demonstration of tens of thousands, out of which a mob of hundreds moved on the Capitol, broke police lines, assaulted cops, rampaged and disrupted an official proceeding.

All in all, a shameful disgrace. But 1/6 was not 9/11 or Oklahoma City or Pearl Harbor or the Pulse nightclub or the Las Vegas massacre.

Why is it being hyped like this? Why will the establishment not let go of Jan. 6? Why, half a year on, does it remain an obsession of regime media?

The hype never ends.

Daily, we hear establishment politicians and press paint it up as the most awful day in America’s history.

It was, we are told, an “armed insurrection,” “domestic terrorism,” an attempted “coup,” “an act of treason,” “the worst attack on American democracy since the British burned the Capitol in 1814.”

Why did Pelosi recoil from and reject two of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s picks for her select committee — Reps. Jim Banks of Indiana and Jim Jordan of Ohio?

Because the deck is stacked, the fix is in. Pelosi’s committee has been crafted to bring in a third impeachment of Donald Trump and the GOP for posing the greatest threat to American democracy since Fort Sumter.

Issues, arguments and questions Banks and Jordan would have raised would have been off-script and interrupted the agreed-upon narrative.

Indeed, of whom does the select committee consist as it opens its hearings today?

Every Democrat of the committee has voted to impeach Trump for Jan. 6. Both of the Republicans Pelosi put on the committee to provide bipartisan balance — Wyoming’s Liz Cheney and Illinois’ Adam Kinzinger — voted to impeach Trump last January and are the two ranking anti-Trump Republicans on Capitol Hill.

Pelosi has impaneled a jury to try Trump and the GOP for insurrection, every one of whose members has already indicated they believe that Jan. 6 is a historic crime and Trump is guilty.



[Libertarian political author and columnist] Jim Bovard offered some interesting tweets on today’s farce:

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Have any members of Congress today demanded the release of the 14,000 hours of videotape taken inside the US Capitol from January 6? Full disclosure could settle many of the fierce controversies regarding that day.
12:16 PM · Jul 27, 2021

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Congressional hearing focuses on hearing of police officers. Would have helped to include the Inspector General & others who have exposed how horrendous failures by FBI, Capitol Police, & others left police outnumbered.
12:45 PM · Jul 27, 2021

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.@RepRaskin poses question: Were Jan. 6 protesters terrorists or were they tourists? Some protesters were violent & deserve prosecution. But zip-code-proximity is not sufficient to prove terrorist intent.
12:35 PM · Jul 27, 2021

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When did Congress & the Capitol Police canonize the BS that every protestor outside the Capitol on January 6 was a "terrorist"? This is a mockery of any reasonable legal standard.
12:06 PM · Jul 27, 2021

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Police officer testifying at Jan. 6 hearing urges Congress to "fortify the Capitol." More fences, more barbed wire, more troops?
1:00 PM · Jul 27, 2021

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The Silly Skeptic:

This is a great line by @JimBovard:

"For January 6 defendants, federal prosecutors are using a simple formula: Trespassing plus thought crimes equals terrorism. "
The Coming "January 6" Train Wreck - James Bovard
Federal prosecutions of January 6 Capitol clash protestors rely on a vast expansion of "terrorism" - legal debacles pending
jimbovard.com
4:46 PM · Jul 24, 2021



Why are Pelosi and the regime media doing everything to keep Jan. 6 alive?

What are the stakes involved?

As of today, Jan. 6 is the biggest and last best stick the Democrats have for retaining control of Congress in 2022.

For if that election is not about the worst day for the GOP of the Trump years, it is going to be about the successes and failures of the first two Biden years.

And what, as of today, look to be the issues of 2022?

That election will be about the worst outbreak of inflation in a quarter-century to hit the U.S. economy. It will be about Biden’s having presided over a fourth wave of the COVID-19 pandemic, after having declared on July 4, 2021, our independence of the virus.

It will be about the largest invasion of illegals across America’s southern border in the history of the republic — 2 million a year in 2021 and again in 2022, with 300,000 of these “gotaways” who evaded any contact with the Border Patrol.

Among the 4 million anticipated illegals in Biden’s first two years are child molesters, drug dealers and unvaccinated carriers of COVID-19.

The election of 2022 will also be about a wave of shootings, woundings, killings and gun crimes in our greatest cities that have long been governed by liberal Democrats.

The Democratic establishment and its media arm have a vital interest in hyping Jan. 6 and not letting go of it. For Jan. 6, 2021, is their last best hope for holding power after Nov. 8, 2022.


It's all a smokescreen and pure Democrat propaganda, to hide from the public the untold damage their party has unleashed on the country, in just the first 6 months of their nation-destroying Marxist power grab.
Ooh...look! More screeds defending a delusional asshole that said he was bad at losing and his big fucking example of being bad at losing by undermining democracy and sending his gaggle of morons to disrupt his being certified a fucking loser! How totally fucking Wondy.

::rolls eyes::

Just keep denying that Nov 2020 was Trumpism's highwater mark. It will make the fall all that more enjoyable when I rub it in your face.
Originally Posted by iggy
Ooh...look! More screeds defending a delusional asshole that said he was bad at losing and his big fucking example of being bad at losing by undermining democracy and sending his gaggle of morons to disrupt his being certified a fucking loser! How totally fucking Wondy.

::rolls eyes::

Just keep denying that Nov 2020 was Trumpism's highwater mark. It will make the fall all that more enjoyable when I rub it in your face.


You're such a worthless piece of excrement, Iggy.

2 points:

1) Beyond attacking me with vulgar insults, you have absolutely nothing to say. You in no way identify your own political beliefs, or make clear any alternative political solutions. You're a liar who has pretended in the past to have supported Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, and yet you slander the Trump wing of the Republican party that so effectively for 4 years fulfilled that Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul agenda of national sovereignty, America-first, paleo-conservative agenda, that Trump achieved more than any other president of the last 100 years except maybe FDR or Teddy Roosevelt. All you have is insults, and miles-deep hypocrisy.

2) You ignore the sourced evidence I've offered in multiple posts and topics detailing election fraud, and that's not even a complete list.
You ignore my points about the incredible damage the Biden administration is doing to the country:
* in criminal illegal immigration, the risk to U.S. citizens from the 6,000-plus Covid-infected illegals and criminals pouring into our country daily,
* the TRILLIONS (in just 6 months!!) in wasteful spending that threatens to collapse the dollar,
* the former U.S. energy-independence Trump created in his 4 years for the first time in over 70 years, and the almost immediate fuel dependency on foreign nations Biden has created.
* And the dangers Biden has created from Russia and China, that didn't exist before Jan 20 2021.

All you can say in response is Fuck you, fuck your mother, you're a moron, you're a poopy-face, asshole, screed, fucking loser, etc, etc. BLA BLA BLA.

You're a joke, Iggy, I've presented sourced facts you can't answer, and so ignore. All you can offer in response is children's playground insults.
Dipshit.
I think Iggy just gave up on you WB. The cops sharing what they endured that day is obviously a problem for trumpers. The guy who entered the capitol with rope and goggles is the one you see as a victim. The cop who was getting beaten and suffered a heart attack while defending the capitol, he gets your hate. I have no illusions that this doesn’t work for trumpers but for everyone else?
Yeah, I can't with him. He's beyond broken and can't even see it. He screams about hypocrisy at others yet gets all bitchy when people call bullshit about his joke sources when everything he disagrees with is "LIBERAL MEDIA!" It's fucking pathetic, but--unlike you--I see no need in giving him nothing but shit for being such an unbridled lunatic that has nothing better to do but go on insane screeds at a dead forum.

So far, it seems that Pariah at least had enough humanity in him to crack after he fucking fell for the blackouts in Italy bullshit or whatever it was. This mother fucker is dead inside and just exists as a brain dead political lemming. Hell, G-Man even finally lived up to his most recent moniker and got too old for this shit. But, Wondy continues to waste precious oxygen and bandwidth to be a fucking lunatic moron and, yet, expects the world to just let him do it. Fuck him. And, that's what I show up to do: Fuck him. Make him screed. Make him hyperventilate. Because he's so broken that he can't fucking help but to lose it over hearing he's a lemming and Trump lost.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think Iggy just gave up on you WB. The cops sharing what they endured that day is obviously a problem for trumpers. The guy who entered the capitol with rope and goggles is the one you see as a victim. The cop who was getting beaten and suffered a heart attack while defending the capitol, he gets your hate. I have no illusions that this doesn’t work for trumpers but for everyone else?


Those 4 Democrat-activist cops were clearly reading words that were not their own, and were not testifying in a "just the facts" way.
They were CLEARLY using emotionally charged language and buzzwords, such as "terrorists" and "insurrectionists" to describe protesters and rioters, in a way that supported the Democrat narrative.
They presented no new evidence.
No one, no Democrat on the committee, not either of the RINO piece of shit so-called "Republicans" on the one-sided "bipartisan" committee, challenged their statements, or asked if the body-camera footage or the security footage inside the Capitol on January 6th would support their statements, and if not, why it would contradict them.
Harry Dunn, the DC Metro police officer who alleged the word "nigger" was widely used on him about 200 times from the protesters, never produced any evidence that actually occurred, and no one produced video footage to verify or disprove it.
It was a show, a lying narrative. It was all a show. Period.

Officer Michael Fanone doesn't get "hate" from me, he gets called on his partisanship, and a lack of facts, a lack of evidence, to verify what he alleges. He is a love-child of CNN and MSNBC only because he fronts a political narrative they want to proselytize. Another Michael Avenatti.

Not called to testify were those thousands injured in cities nationwide during the Black Lives Matter protests over the Summer of 2020.

Or the over 50 officers and Secret Service agents who were injured protecting the White House in May 2020, so close to being overwhelmed by BLM/Antifa insurrectionist mobs that Secret Service evacuated President Trump from the White House despite his reluctance, in an >>ACTUAL<< insurrection against the president.

Not called into evidence were the 25 people killed, or testimony of their surviving families, never called to testify by the House and Senate Democrat-Bolsheviks.
Nor called were the 2,000 injured officers.
Nor called were the owners and employees of thousands of businesses in over 275 cities nationwide that were burned to the ground and never rebuilt.
Not called to testify were the federal agents who have been attacked nightly for 10 months and ongoing at federal buildings in Seattle and Portland and elsewhere, some federal agents of whom Antifa and BLM activists tried to trap in burning buildings and burn alive, that Antifa and BLM activists DELIBERATELY and permanently blinded with lasers focused on their eyes for hours while they defended these buildings.
THESE people were never called to testify, about an ACTUAL nationwide insurrection.
All these facts of nationwide insurrection, and billions in damage and injuries across hundreds of cities across the U.s., all ignored by the Democrat-controlled judiciary committee.
ONLY the piece of shit Bolsheviks who conformed to their preferred lying Democrat narrative were called to testify.

And like I said, these Democrat-partisan activists, disguised as Capital and DC Metro cops, only had to defend the Capitol building for about 3 hours at most.
They endured the same things, less actually, than the cops in over 275 other cities nationwide last summer, INCLUDING the siege on Trump's White House in May 2020, where Secret Service had to evacuate him to a secure location.

These other officers across over 275 cities last summer, endured permanent injuries and blindness, some of them were killed, and the Democrats don't give a damn about them, or their surviving families. They were never called to testify.
They don't give a damn about an unarmed Ashli Babbitt who was killed by a Capitol police officer for no logical reason.
Babbitt's husband said that his local DEMOCRAT congressman (San Diego) never called to offer sympathies or to press for investigation on the husband's behalf. Never returned the husband's calls, when he called his House representative.

On January 6th, there were some riots and uncivility by roughly 60 people (out of over 100,000 protesters, 40 of the 60 either undecover FBI or BLAM/Antifa) , but no permanent damage to the Capitol, and the House and Senate members came in THE EXACT SAME LEGISLATION ROOM about 3 hours later and completed the electoral vote. No destruction, no arson.
As contrasted with the other more than 275 war-torn cities nationwide from the BLM riots in 2020, over 275 cities that remain like war zones in rubble, with thousands of business owners and tens of thousand of employees who will NEVER be able to go back to their former lives.

In your own native Minneapolis alone, ONE CITY, there remains 5 ENTIRE MILES of looted and burned former businesses. A war zone.

And you, and these Democrat-punk officers whine about "terrorists" and "insurrection" on Jan 6th.
THESE are the people, in these 275 BLAM-torched and looted cities, who know what ACTUAL loss, and ACTUAL "insurrection" really are.
Originally Posted by iggy
Yeah, I can't with him. He's beyond broken and can't even see it. He screams about hypocrisy at others yet gets all bitchy when people call bullshit about his joke sources when everything he disagrees with is "LIBERAL MEDIA!" It's fucking pathetic, but--unlike you--I see no need in giving him nothing but shit for being such an unbridled lunatic that has nothing better to do but go on insane screeds at a dead forum.

So far, it seems that Pariah at least had enough humanity in him to crack after he fucking fell for the blackouts in Italy bullshit or whatever it was. This mother fucker is dead inside and just exists as a brain dead political lemming. Hell, G-Man even finally lived up to his most recent moniker and got too old for this shit. But, Wondy continues to waste precious oxygen and bandwidth to be a fucking lunatic moron and, yet, expects the world to just let him do it. Fuck him. And, that's what I show up to do: Fuck him. Make him screed. Make him hyperventilate. Because he's so broken that he can't fucking help but to lose it over hearing he's a lemming and Trump lost.


I presented the facts, sourced and linked.
Those are facts, with numbers and specifics from the recounts, the rules for excluding fraudulent votes, that were deceitfully counted to give Biden and the Democrats a "win" that he didn't earn. There are endless examples of things that are inconsistent with previous elections. There are HUNDREDS of witnesses who have made sworn statements, under penalty of perjury if they had lied. Rather than investigate and verify that it was a lawful election of Biden, Democrats and a weaponized FBI instead fire them without investigating, and intimidate them to withdraw their statements. That is not the mark of a legitimate election.

The Democrat governor of Pennsylvania, and the Democrat Secretary of state, violated the Constitutional laws of Pennsylvania to pass changes of election law that were illegal, without the Constitutionally required passage of changes by majorities of both the state House and the state Senate. They just slipped it by in the dead of night, illegally, a few weeks before the Nov 2020 election. And then threatened Pennsylvania House, Senate and Judges if they opposed the unconstitutional election changes.
And similar violations in all 6 contested states.

As I've said repeatedly Peter Navarro compiled a lengthy and detailed report of the statistical inconsistencies across all 6 states, fraudulent votes that number in the hundreds of thousands across all 6 states, that would have been instantly disqualified in any previous election.
https://peternavarro.com/the-navarro-report/

The U.S. Supreme Court, cowering in fear of controversy, has repeatedly abdicated their responsibility to review the clear un-constitutional violations of law, in multiple cases. Afraid top do the right thing, pressed into silence by John Roberts. Thair job is to strike down unconstitutional law. And Roberts has been abdicating that responsibility for 10 years now, and ongoing.
https://theteapartydaily.com/chief-...t-texas-lawsuit-through-shouted-threats/
https://www.pacificpundit.com/2020/...awsuit-because-he-worried-about-rioting/
https://www.lenorathompsonwriter.co...urt-is-chief-justice-roberts-compromised
https://www.libertariannews.org/202...-out-on-texas-case-because-of-blm-riots/
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3896720/posts
https://www.nationandstate.com/2020...er-justices-over-texas-election-lawsuit/

Those are the facts you choose to ignore. Dipshit.

All you have in response is hive-mind circle-jerk liberal-media Newspeak, from a 93% rabidly Trump-hating media who have made it clear for 5 years they will make ANY breach of ethics and journalistic integrity to dislodge Trump from power. New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS have all been caught repeatedly fronting false narratives, in their eagerness to destroy Trump, not checking their sources and then PROVEN wrong. I've repeatedly posted a 1-hour video by award-winning former CBS and CNN investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson, citing just an hour's worth of examples of liberal proven journalist lies about Trump and deliberate innaccuracies. Highly acclaimed journalists Glenn Greenwald, and John Solomon, and former AP and Washington Post writer Ron Kessler are several other highly regarded journalists who have done some deep digging and exposed the true facts.
But you still believe the proven liars, and ignore the actual facts, because the lies tell the narrative you desperately want to believe.
Okay...let me see if I'm doing this right...

CONSERVATIVE MEDIA!

No one gives a fuck about your biased sources, you delusional smegma huffer.

You are a broken one-trick pony whose one trick has become too difficult and--therefore--awkward to watch. But, you keep doing it just like your wannabe orange messiah. It is fucking pathetic.

No amount of demonizing and apocalyptic is ever going to change the fact that, at the end of the day, the most honest thing Trump ever said about himself is how shitty of a loser he is.

Enjoy paying your tithes and offerings to Bishop Lindell and his cadre of miscreant MAGA priests, you fucking cultist.
So a cop using the word terrorist is problematic for trumpers who all cheered on their fat lying corrupt pos whenever he used the word to describe anyone that was publicly protesting against police brutality. WB you are so easy to see through. Trump is still telling easily debunked lies about the election he lost. I used to think republicans valued truth and democracy but now those are apparently “rinos”
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
So a cop using the word terrorist is problematic for trumpers who all cheered on their fat lying corrupt pos whenever he used the word to describe anyone that was publicly protesting against police brutality. WB you are so easy to see through. Trump is still telling easily debunked lies about the election he lost. I used to think republicans valued truth and democracy but now those are apparently “rinos”

It's a death cult. Hell, just saw Sidney Powell say Fox was now just an arm of the democratic socialist communist party and pure fascism. I assume it is over their unwillingness to push Lindell's three days of insanity "symposium." These people, wondy included, are unhinged and it is time we started to treat them that way. This isn't about election fraud. It is about radicalizing the true believers.
Trump tried using the DOJ to steal election


“ - P: ‘Don’t expect you to do that, just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen.’” (pp. 4-5).”
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Sorry to interrupt the liberal wankfest, but...

Originally Posted by Iggy
panic cry panic

Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
So a cop using the word terrorist is problematic for trumpers who all cheered on their fat lying corrupt pos whenever he used the word to describe anyone that was publicly protesting against police brutality. WB you are so easy to see through. Trump is still telling easily debunked lies about the election he lost. I used to think republicans valued truth and democracy but now those are apparently “rinos”

My cited evidence, vs. your easily disproven lies. The sources I've cited are telling the facts.

The liberal media you guys cite have been proven to be liars over and over.
They OPENLY BOAST that factual journalism "is over-rated", and that their job is to prop up the Democrat narrative and slander Trump any way they can.

How many times do I have to beat you morons over the head with the facts:

Award-winning old-school journalist Sharyl Attkiisson, citing an hour of examples of anti-Trump/anti-Republican media bias


Your unhinged liberal cultism is put on display by the facts you ignore, even as you try to perpetuate another false narrative, that conservatives and other independent thinkers are "cultists" for rejecting the clearly false narrative and exhibiting critical thinking.
But you cling to liberal media lies, even after the ethics and credibility of your mainstream liberal sources have have been PROVEN discredited liars, dozens of times over.
And openly say they are proud to be liars, for your Deep State/Democrat cult.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
It doesn't agree with me so it's wrong!


Fuck off with this shit, asshole.
WB you just skipped over Trump telling the DOJ to just call the election corrupt and let him and the r congressmen handle the rest just days before Jan 6. Trump isn’t even denying it. That is what you call weaponizing an agency. And if Trump had been able to place more of his yes men into key spots you could have had your coup.
Trump loyalist at DOJ circulated draft Georgia letter with false election fraud claims
“ (CNN) A draft letter reportedly circulated late last year by a Donald Trump-loyalist at the Justice Department shows the lengths his allies were willing to go to overturn the presidential election.

The draft December 28 letter, published by ABC News, urged top Georgia officials to convene the state legislature in a special session to evaluate supposed "irregularities" in the 2020 election.

The letter said, falsely, that Justice Department had identified "significant concerns that may have impacted of the outcome of the election in multiple States, including the State of Georgia."


According to internal Justice Department emails also obtained by ABC News, the letter was circulated by Jeffrey Clark, a top department official who was working with the then-President to get the department more directly involved in the Trump election reversal crusade. Clark was acting attorney general of the civil division at the time.

He sent the draft letter, according to the emails, to acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue. Though the letter was directed to Georgia, Clark's email indicated that he wanted to send similar versions to "each relevant state."

"I set it up for signature by the three of us. I think we should get it out as soon as possible," Clark told Rosen and Donoghue, according to the emails obtained by ABC News.

"I see no valid downsides to sending out the letter," Clark said.

Donoghue, in his emailed response obtained by ABC News, vehemently expressed opposition to sending the letter. He noted that former Attorney General William Barr had publicly announced that the department had not found evidence of mass voter fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election. Donoghue said he was unaware of any developments since Barr's assessment that would have changed that conclusion. Furthermore, Donoghue, noted it was not in DOJ's typical practices to update non-law enforcement actors on the progress of investigation, as Clark's draft letter to the Georgia officials promised the department would do.

Donoghue told Clark in the email that there was "no chance" he would sign the draft letter "or anything remotely like this." Donoghue added that, from where he stood, "this is not even in the realm of possibility."

On January 2, Rosen later weighed in to make clear that he was "not prepared to sign such a letter," according to the email chain.

The internal documents were turned over by the department to the House Oversight Committee, ABC News said, as the committee investigates Trump's attempts to overturn the election. The committee had no comment when reached by CNN, and the Justice Department declined to comment as well. Rosen and Donoghue also had no comment.

The draft letter was one of several examples of how Trump tried to weaponize the Justice Department in his efforts to reverse his electoral defeat. Trump himself demanded that DOJ officials declare the election "illegal" and "corrupt," according to notes of a December 27 call Trump had with Rosen and Donoghue released by the House committee last week. Internal DOJ documents previously released by the committee showed that Trump allies had also pressured the department to get involved in the legal fight to disrupt the election results.

CNN's Manu Raju and Evan Perez contributed to this report.”

Reality WB vs your false narrative.
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Sourced from CNN...
CNN is where the truth goes to die. They will broadcast or publish any half-baked lie that refects badly on Trump and his supporters. And they have been caught repeatedly in the last 4 years as having reported things completely untrue and factually wrong, and had to retract stories, and even fire the reporters and producers who aired them, when the facts dispoving them are unearthed just a few days later. Likewise New York Times, likewise Washington Post.


Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
WB you just skipped over Trump telling the DOJ to just call the election corrupt and let him and the r congressmen handle the rest just days before Jan 6. Trump isn’t even denying it. That is what you call weaponizing an agency. And if Trump had been able to place more of his yes men into key spots you could have had your coup.


That's another lying Democrat propaganda narrative that has been disproven. Trump only asked the Georgia officials, the electors, and the U S S C to do the right thing, and not hide the true facts regarding the election from the public. The liberal media headlines IMPLY otherwise, but that's all there is.

But the corrupt Democrats, and a wing of corrupt Republicans who enabled them in Georgia, Arizona and elsewhere, are instead doing everything they can to obstruct an open audit of the election.

By contrast, Democrats viciously slandered and contested the 2000, 2004 and 2016 elections. Challenged and slandered the integrity of every election the Democrats didn't win !
Republicans permitted debate, and multiple full and open audits of the votes in all cases.
TWENTY YEARS of elections the Democrats have bitterly challenged, and slandered as "rigged" even after multiple full investigations have proven otherwise. Hillary Clinton and other Democrats for Trump's entire four years slandered him as an "illegitimate president", despite every investigation proving otherwise.

But in stark contrast, in the 2020 election, Democrats (and a number of corrupt Republican officials, and the Orwellian Newspeak liberal media) are doing everything to suppress an audit of the election, hiding the keys and passwords, and in the case of Arizona, have made it crystal clear that the Arizona state election board and other election workers DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE KEYS AND PASSWORDS TO OVERSEE THEIR OWN ELECTION, THAT ALL THEIR OFFICIAL RESULTS WERE FROM DOMINION STAFF, WITH NO ARIZONA STATE OVERSIGHT OR CONFIRMATION.
Arizona officials can't independently verify their reported election results, and don't even have the technological training or skills to do so.
THAT ALONE proves the election result was fraudulent.

Add to that how vitriolically anti-Trump and pro-Democrat every Dominion Voting Systems employee has proven to be, in their connections to Democrats and the Clinton Foundation, in their online social media posts. In their open allegience to Black Lives Matter and Antifa, and open hatred of Trump and his supporters.
Dominion's vice president (and head of nationwide Dominion election machine systems security) Eric Coomer openly said "Trump isn't going to win, I made fucking sure of that". Even if you dismissively say it can't be proven (or disproven) that he actually said those exact words, there are MOUNTAINS of vitriolic anti-Trump hate, and open allegience with Antifa, in his social media posts. That alone makes clear he should not have been trusted with the security of an election to re-elect Trump.
https://www.votefraud.news/2020-12-07-trump-hating-pro-antifa-dominion-executive.html

There is abundant evidence that Coomer is guilty of everything I said.

Read those screen-grabbed social media posts by Coomer. Read them!

Coomer actually sounds just like... Iggy. Completely unhinged and boiling over with hate. And this is the guy in charge of election integrity. "Trump won't win, I made fucking sure of that."


Once again, everything Democrats accuse Trump and his supporters of doing, is what Democrats themselves are actually doing, and hiding their own malevolent actions by accusing Trump of doing.
That is the signature Democrat-Bolshevik move.

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Members and front organizations must continually embarass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi, or anti-Semitic... The association will, after enough repetition, become "fact" in the public mind.
--Moscow Central Committee, 1943
Just glad this is all getting exposed with possible criminal proceedings to follow. Trump lost and tried to stay in power by trying to get his own DOJ to just call it crooked even when they said he was full of shit. That happened WB. The difference between you and me is it actually would have mattered to me if there had been proof that stood up in court or if the recounts didn’t jibe with the election. To you it’s all about keeping your guy in power no matter what. You are the threat to our democracy.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Just glad this is all getting exposed with possible criminal proceedings to follow. Trump lost and tried to stay in power by trying to get his own DOJ to just call it crooked even when they said he was full of shit. That happened WB. The difference between you and me is it actually would have mattered to me if there had been proof that stood up in court or if the recounts didn’t jibe with the election. To you it’s all about keeping your guy in power no matter what. You are the threat to our democracy.

AGAIN:

Over 100,000 "peaceful and patriotic" protesters.
Only about 600 of those protesters went inside the Capitol building, over 90% of them charged with only "trespassing".
Maybe 50 who were either involved in clashing with police, or smashing windows, or theft of personal letters or Pelosi's speaking podium, or urinating on a desk.
And of that 50 or so, by the FBI's own investigative reports, at least 20 of them were "un-indicted co-conspirators", or undercover FBI agents who actually planned the violence and tricked Trump supporters into following them.
And of that 50, 10 or 20 of them were Black Lives Antifa/Black Lives Matter leader John Earle Sullivan's "Jayden X" 's group, who videotaped their own antics, disguised as Trump supporters, openly bragging on camera they intended to frame Trump supporters for their own violence and destruction, and to hopefully trick Trump supporters into following them.

So... of the 50 or so involved in "violence", it seems a majority of them, if not all of them, were groups conspiring to frame Trump supporters.

If you want to see an ACTUAL "insurrection", look at what Black Lives Matter and Antifa did during 2020, looting and burning over 275 cities nationwide. Businesses looted and burned to the ground, jobs destroyed forever. 25 people killed, including 5 officers. Over 2,000 police injured. An ACTUAL nationwide insurrection.
Look at 5 miles of looted and burned businesses in your home city of Minneapolis alone. A war zone. Hundreds of businesses that will never come back.

The rioting in the Capitol on Jan 6th did no permanent damage, the joint session came right back in the same Capitol room 3 hours later, and voted to finalize the electoral votes for Biden. The rest is just lying narrative and massive exaggeration at best, to feed a lying Democrat narrative.
The coup failed. That doesn’t mean trump and helpers get a pass. You and other Trump supporters make it clear that there needs to be accountability and consequences for actions.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The coup failed. That doesn’t mean trump and helpers get a pass. You and other Trump supporters make it clear that there needs to be accountability and consequences for actions.

The "coup" is a Democrat manufactured lying narrative that didn't happen. As I detailed above, from the FBI's own investigative reports.
Not one firearm was found of confiscated in the Capitol, or anywhere around Washington Square. NOT. ONE.
Not one of the 600 or so trespassers in the Capitol were charged with "insurrection". NOT ONE.
90% were only charged with trespassing.
Of the 60 charged with vandalism or violence on Jan 6th 2021, at least 40 of the 60 are BLM/Antifa (John Earle Sullivan's group, as proven by their own self-incriminating videos posted on social media), and "un-indicted co-conspirators" (i.e. FBI agents disguised as Trump supporters), both TRYING TO INCITE AND FRAME TRUMP SUPPORTERS, for crimes Trump protesters did not commit.
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Attorney McBride: Jan. 6 Jail Detainees Given Only Nation Of Islam Newspaper To Read
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Judge Contends Justice Department Biased Against Jan. 6 Protesters

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Sunday, October 3, 2021


A federal judge suggested the Department of Justice has been biased in its sentencing of January 6 protesters. During the sentencing of accused protester Danielle Doyle on Friday, U.S. District Court Judge Trevor McFadden suggested rioters in Washington D.C. and elsewhere during 2020’s civil unrest were given lesser sentences than those who participated in the incident at the Capitol.

McFadden added the Justice Department would “have more credibility if it was even-handed in its concern about riots and mobs in the city.” He also questioned why more protesters throughout the 2020 riots weren’t brought to court.

During her time before the district judge, Doyle expressed her love for the country as well as her intentions on January 6.

“I love this country,” she expressed. “So many people came here to represent things that were important to us, but in the blink of an eye, all of those things were overshadowed.” she said.

McFadden’s comments come as prosecutors continue to claim the January 6 event was far more detrimental to the U.S. than the dozens of violent protests of 2020.


I've already detailed repeatedly all the different false narratives by the Democrat/Left and liberal media regaarding the protests on January 6th:

* by the DC coroner's office regarding Officer Brian Sicknick's death,
* the cover-up and false narratives from the Capitol police officers and leadership.
* Even the New York Times has retracted their narrative (now that it has allowed the Democrats to seize power on Jan 20th, and ram through their legislation, and have tyranically imprisoned about 600 innocent people who are only guilty of "trespassing" on Jan 6th, if they are guilty of any crime at all.
* putting on a show of intimidation to silence their conservative critics.

Along with:
* further purges of any military who have posted pro-Trump social media posts,
* and now a purge of police, military, teachers and other government-employed people who won't get a PROVEN ineffective vaccine. Many who have been vaccinated, including many highly visible government officials, have been infected with Covid-19 regardless of being fully vaccinated. By some studies the vaccinated are infected at an even higher ratio of infection.

So the real purpose of the Jan 6th narrative, of the Covid-vaccine purges, is purging and displacing Republicans, and replacing them with Democrats, to consolidate their power. Not any logical security or medical policy. And also purging and replacing any Democrats or independents who also oppose and resist the Democrat party narrative.
Also, as the "Five people KILLED by white racist Trump supporters" narrative has collapsed, the first person who died (1) Ashli Babbit has proven to be unarmed and not a threat when shot and killed from 25 feet away for no logical reason. And there was even no investigation, as Capitol Police covered it up, and just swept it under the rug.

So there was (2) one stroke (NOT killed by Trump supporters) that killed officer Brian Sicknick (who by the way was a Trump supporter, who wrote his House representative to oppose Trump's Jan 2020 impeachment. )
Another man (3) in his 50''s who died of a stroke (NOT killed by Trump supporters),
(4)another man in his 50's who died of a heart attack (NOT killed by Trump supporters), both previously treated for these medical conditions.

And (5) Roseanne Boyland, age 34. Who initially was reported dead by the false narrative of being trampled to death by other Trump supporters, then was reported to have died by the false narrative of a drug overdose, then replaced by the false narrative of having collapsed from a seizure and died receiving CPR. It now turns out that she may be the SECOND Trump supporter murdered by police:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...t-rosanne-sticks-protesters-attempt-cpr/

https://survivalmagazine.org/news/t...-rosanne-boyland-here-are-their-stories/

Predictably at this point, a true account of what happened, as witnessed in video footage and by multiple witnesses, suppressed for months by another false narrative from the liberal media, and by Bolshevik-aligned Capitol Police and FBI, and a completely indifferent Democrat controlled House that refuses to investigate, because to investigate would undermine and expose their false narrative.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
I hate America and show it every time I call a government group that does do exactly what I want it to "Bolshevist."

Go fuck yourself, cultist!


https://twitter.com/ksadjadpour/status/1449839310837010435?s=20
Sorry to interrupt the liberal wankfest, but...

Originally Posted by Iggy
panic cry panic

Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
So a cop using the word terrorist is problematic for trumpers who all cheered on their fat lying corrupt pos whenever he used the word to describe anyone that was publicly protesting against police brutality. WB you are so easy to see through. Trump is still telling easily debunked lies about the election he lost. I used to think republicans valued truth and democracy but now those are apparently “rinos”

My cited evidence, vs. your easily disproven lies. The sources I've cited are telling the facts.

The liberal media you guys cite have been proven to be liars over and over.
They OPENLY BOAST that factual journalism "is over-rated", and that their job is to prop up the Democrat narrative and slander Trump any way they can.

How many times do I have to beat you morons over the head with the facts:

Award-winning old-school journalist Sharyl Attkiisson, citing an hour of examples of anti-Trump/anti-Republican media bias


Your unhinged liberal cultism is put on display by the facts you ignore, even as you try to perpetuate another false narrative, that conservatives and other independent thinkers are "cultists" for rejecting the clearly false narrative and exhibiting critical thinking.
But you cling to liberal media lies, even after the ethics and credibility of your mainstream liberal sources have been PROVEN discredited liars, dozens of times over.
And openly say they are proud to be liars, for your Deep State/Democrat cult.
I know you are but what am I is fucking stupid and childish way to go about things, cultist.
Originally Posted by iggy
I know you are but what am I is fucking stupid and childish way to go about things, cultist.

All I did was expose your childish insults and pure troll antagonism. I know you have no interest in truth or factual debate at this point.
But I consistently cite sourced facts that PROVE what I'm saying.

My facts are FACTS, cited by some of the most acclaimed journalists of the last 4 decades, who left the propaganda liberal networks after decades of acclaim there, because these networks no longer have journalistic ethics or permitted them to report those facts.

The sources you cite as "news" are now Democrat/Left propaganda networks, and only because they agree with your angry liberal progressive ideas do you accept what sources like CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, MSNBC, etc have to say. No matter how many times they have been proven wrong, forced to retract stories, had to fire reporters and producers for egregious obscene levels of partisanship. (see again Sharyl Attkisson's list of media bias examples above).

The liberal media openly admit their bias and commitment to prop up Democrats and destroy Republicans.

Multiple high-level CNN staffers have been caught on camera admitting that CNN is a propaganda network (as exposed by Project Veritas).
https://www.projectveritas.com/news...k-engaged-in-propaganda-to-remove-trump/

CNN excoriated on their own network a few days ago by Bari Weiss, who quit New York Times before appearing, because of the one-sided liberal fanaticism and toxic work environment for her at N Y Times, as someone who is left of center but still struggled to objectively cover both sides of the stories she covered.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bari-weiss-brian-stelter-world-has-gone-mad-cnn

You deify shit, you worship garbage, as if it were actual "news", instead of the Bolshevik propaganda it has become. I watched CNN since the 1980's till about 2009, and despite its liberal bias up to then, there was still mostly plenty of solid journalism.
But now they are just shameless propagandists. Likewise most of the media. They have chosen sides, joined the Democrat-Bolshevik revolution to overthrow the U.S. and establish leftist one-party authoritarian rule, and have abandoned any pretense of objectivity. And schmucks like you verbally abuse myself and others for not drinking the Kool-Aid. And you, zombie-like, loyal zealot drone that you are, continue to believe what is OBVIOUSLY untrue. Again: watch the Sharyl Attkisson video, and her quoted examples. The liberal media openly boast about their partisanship. And you still hold up their lies as gospel truth.
And incredibly, verbally abuse me for not drinking the Kool-Aid along with you.
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FBI Counterterrorism Official Testifies No Protesters Charged With Possessing Firearms On Capitol Grounds

No firearms, no "insurrection", no "storming of the capital".
This exposes the Democrat/Left's entire narrative for January 6th as a lie.

While simultaneously, Democrat leaders and the liberal media selectively ignore the ACTUAL insurrection and destruction of BLM and Antifa in over 275 cities during 2020, and ongoing into 2021.

While simultaneously ignoring that the destruction and rioting of the Left was worse during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.

Ignoring that it was worse when BLM/Antifa laid siege to the White House, to the point that they evacuated President Trump to a secure location. 50 Secret Service agents were injured during that siege.
On what other occasion have so many Secret Service agents been injured. Never.
NEVER !

The Left ignores facts, except when they support their Democrat-Bolshevik narrative.
The Democrat Left hates police, except when they can weaponize them in propaganda to support their narrative.


https://www.westernjournal.com/blms-mostly-peaceful-riots-cost-1000x-damage-jan-6-capitol-unrest/

https://americandefensenews.com/2021/07/12/capitol-riot-vs-blm-riots-which-caused-more-harm/
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FBI ‘Can’t Find Proof’ Of Antifa Involvement In Jan. 6 Protests Despite Mountains Of Video Evidence
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'Reminiscent of Jan. 6': Violent protesters arrested after storming Interior Department, injuring officers

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Dozens of activists protesting fossil fuel projects were arrested Thursday in Washington, D.C., after they staged a sit-in at the Interior Department, a move that led to "multiple injuries" and at least one law enforcement officer being transported to a hospital.
Demanding that President Biden declare climate change an emergency, People vs. Fossil Fuels, the group responsible for the protest, organized a week-long series of demonstrations against the president as he approves different fossil fuel projects.

Following the protest, Interior Department spokeswoman Melissa Schwartz released a statement through a series of tweets.
"Early this afternoon, a group of protestors entered the Stewart Lee Udall Main Interior Building," Schwartz wrote. "Federal Protective Service personnel responded to the area to mitigate the situation. Multiple injuries were sustained by security personnel, and one officer has been transported to a nearby hospital. Medics representing both the Department and the protesters were present."

Schwartz also noted that Interior Secretary Deb Haaland was not in Washington during the protest and insisted that leadership at the department "believes strongly in respecting and upholding the right to free speech and peaceful protest."

According to video footage from The Washington Post's Ellie Silverman, activists could be seen climbing up doors and pushing officers back as they tried to force their way into the Interior Department.
Andy Ngô, a conservative journalist who often covers events related to Antifa, shared one of Silverman's videos. He described the scene at the federal building as "reminiscent of Jan. 6," noting that officers were forced to draw their stun guns as "extreme environmentalist protesters" attempted to make their way inside.

Event organizers alleged that "police tased and hit multiple people with batons" and "55 people were arrested and taken away to DC Metro police stations."
"Police acted aggressively with the water protectors and indigenous leaders, tasing at least two people and hitting others with batons," the group claimed. "An independent indigenous media person was assaulted by the police and had his equipment broken."
Fox News reached out to the Federal Protective Service (FPS) and received the following statement:

"Yesterday, officers from the Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Protective Service (FPS) responded to a demonstration at the Stewart L. Udall Building. FPS is committed to the safety of demonstrators participating in lawful protests and fully supports the peaceful expression of all people. FPS will continue to pursue our mission of ensuring the safety and security of federal employees and facilities, consistent with the law."

In the statement, FPS also offered appreciation for U.S. Park Police and Washington Metropolitan Police Department who assisted in efforts "to detain, prosecute or take action against anyone who caused harm and attempted to disrupt the business of the federal government yesterday."

So why weren't these people shot in the throat like Ashli Babbitt?



Rep. Greg Steube (R-FL) was asking attorney general Merrick Garland about this in House hearings today, about the DOJ targeting parents who oppose critical race theory being taught to their children, the DOJ treating them as domestic terrorists. I'm not aware of a single incident where parents have either threatened or physically attacked radical leftist/critical race theory PTA boards, these parents have only vowed to not rest until critical race theory is removed from their schools, and these PTA leaders are driven out of office and replaced.

The only incidents I'm aware of where there was even a clash with police (and on both occasions initiated overly-aggressively by police) are:

1) in June when the PTA board prematurely ended a meeting where they didn't like the onslaught of questions from parents and their board being exposed as radicals, and prematurely ended the PTA meeting and forced parents to leave without allowing them to even speak or ask questions. When people just stayed in the room and refused to leave, the PTA had police overly-aggressively arrest one father, who did nothing but stand there.

2) another incident in Loudon County, Virginia, a father whose daughter had been raped by a 15 year old transgender male, and the incdent covered up by the school, again was just trying to speak, and police threw him to the floor and arrested him, completely unprovoked, as a way to prevent him from publicly exposing what had happened. Rather than prosecuting the rape, the school board covered up the rape, and transferred the transgender predator to another school, where he sexually assaulted another teenage girl. Which also went unpunished, until this father of the first assaulted girl came forward.

In both cases there was no "right wing violence", despite it being portrayed as such. These were incidents completely manufactured and set up by the Democrat-Left and their police storm troopers. So they could rationalize a DOJ targeting of those who PEACEFULLY and patriotically oppose the leftist over-reach of ramming critical race theory indoctrination down the throats of these parents and their children.

Merrick Garland has become the Democrats' Lavrentiy Beria, who allows the Democrat-Bolsheviks to use the DOJ/FBI as a weaponized arm of the the Democrat party to attack, intimidate, and arrest without trial their conservative opposition. Hidden by a timid sounding voice, he has overseen the politicized weaponization of the DOJ/FBI to perhaps the worst level in history. And with past abusers of power like J. Edgar Hoover and James Comey/Andrew McCabe and company, that is a feat indeed. Garland has proven himself infinitely unworthy of having ever been considered as a U.S. Supreme Court justice, in how his DOJ has trampled on the Constitution and kept 600 innocent people in the harshest of prison conditions, just to feed his party's Jan 6th political narrative . China, Russia, Iran, Belarus and Myanmar now have cause to laugh when we criticize their human rights abuses.
I see a huge bunch of ranting and accusations with little citation. The accusation about the DOJ being weaponized under Biden is pretty laughable. We didn’t all get amnesia during Trump’s term and his DOJ. He even tried forcing the DOJ in helping him try to steal the election.
Originally Posted by M E M
I see a huge bunch of ranting and accusations with little citation. The accusation about the DOJ being weaponized under Biden is pretty laughable. We didn’t all get amnesia during Trump’s term and his DOJ. He even tried forcing the DOJ in helping him try to steal the election.

Respectfully M E M, the DOJ/FBI was been weaponized against Trump supporters who did nothing wrong on Jan 6 2021. There are about 600 people who at most stepped inside the Capitol building on January 6th, many of them (ON VIDEO) by police who welcomed them inside with the double doors held wide open for them(ON VIDEO) , and stood like an honor guard on either side (ON VIDEO) as they walked down the halls.

Of the 600 who entered the Capitol building, only about 60 are alleged to have committed any violence or vandalism, and as I've said repeatedly "at least 20" (possibly more) are described in FBI investigation reports as "un-indicted co-conspirators" (i.e., undercover FBI agents posing as Trump supporters, trying to trick and incite Trump supporters into violence.)
And yet the 90% who entered the Capitol building on Jan 6th are kept in severe prison conditions, subject to beatings, not permitted to talk to their lawyers, for at most "trespassing" (in reality tricked and trapped), imprisoned and separated from their families for a year and counting, losing their jobs and businesses, and buried in legal fees that amount to no more than bullying and harassment.

While ACTUAL violent criminals from BLM and Antifa who burned down and looted over 275 cities over the last 2 years are set free, no incarceration, no cases filed. As I detailed above, WITH PHOTOS, some of these people tried to kill police officers, burn them to death in federal buildings, burn them to death with Molotov cocktails in their squad car.
The irony of that contrast screams injustice, malicious prosecution, and unequal treatment under the law. That is most certainly weaponization of the DOJ/FBI.

And also of that 60, about 20 are John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa group (ALSO on video) openly boasting they are disguised as Trump supporters, and trying to get Trump supporters blamed for their own violence, and hopefully trick Trump supporters into following them into violence.
So again, that's about 40 of the 60 "VIOLENT INSURRECTIONIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS" .... who were clearly NOT Trump supporters. A clear majority. It's a set-up. It's a frame job.

And back to the weaponized FBI and DOJ, they have kept these 600 or so "trespassers" (many if not most of whom were invited into the Capitol by police, tricked into committing a "crime". They have been treated worse than Al Qaida prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. One was beaten by a guard and has a broken eye socket, and has been denied medical treatment. If they even try to tell their families, friends and lawyers about the cruel treatment they are receiving, they receive further beatings. They are being shaken down to sign plea bargains to crimes they did not commit, just to end the torment. For crimes they NEVER committed.


Wave 2 of the FBI/DOJ weaponization is attorney general Merrick Garland's order to treat parents who merely attend PTA meetings and vocally object to their children being indoctrinated with Critical Race Theory. The full extent of their "violence" is shouting their anger at this outrageous indoctrination, and demanding that these PTA officials either resign or face being voted out in the next PTA election.
Tucker Carlson last night (discussing a related transgender mob who attacked people supporting comedian Dave Chappell, transgenders wanting Chapell fired for transgender jokes, attacking Dave Chappell supporters and breaking their signs) to which Carlson said that "Consevatives' speech is violence, and the Left's violence is 'speech', you see how that works? "

And it doesn't operate much differently at the DOJ/FBI. There is a complete double-standard, and I've cited facts to detail examples of that double standard since before Trump was inaugurated, and they keep piling up.

I don't see any evidence that Trump "tried forcing the DOJ in helping him try to steal the election". That is completely made up. Another lying Democrat narrative.
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This whole Steve Bannon thing is another smoke-and-mirrors Democrat lying narrative.

Yesterday the Democrat-Bolshevik House majority found Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress, for not permitting a fishing expedition into his records (Laventiy Beria parallel again) in another example of "show me the man and I will give you the crime."
https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/21/...mpt-justice-department-criminal-charges/

And I wondered, What is the basis for them investigating Steve Bannon? What did he actually do, what is he even alleged to have done?

I looked long and hard, and the only place I could find the case halfway made is at anti-Trump propaganda central at CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/23/politics/steve-bannon-january-6-capitol-riot/index.html

All this says is that Bannon made a few phone calls to Trump, and pushed him to make January 6th a big protest event, to essentially make January 6th a "last stand" with a visible protest to accompany a contesting of the rigged electoral vote, to challenge the validity of the electoral vote and undermine Joe Biden's legitimacy as a legally elected president.
Y'know... pretty much what the Democrats did to Trump for 4 years, only with actual facts on Trump's side, and not illegally weaponizing DOJ, FBI, IRS and CIA to frame Biden, as the Democrats did to Trump.

There's nothing in this article (it's a CNN article, so it's a given this is the worst possible light they could portray) about any proposed armed "insurrection" or "siege" of the Capitol, just to protest and make a vocal case for election fraud that the news media would have to cover, and hopefully have vice president Pence delay the elector-vote finalization. So as to create a televised debate for several weeks, to inform the American public what actually occurred, that Republican Senate and House members could make a case for in televised hearings for 2 or 3 weeks, without the filter of the liberal media preventing the case from being made, as had occurred up till then.
Unfortunately that didn't end up happening.
Because the 20 or so "un-indicted co-conspirators" (i.e., FBI agents disguised as Trump supporters, inciting violence), and John Earle Sullivan's BLM/Antifa group (disguised as Trump supporters, inciting violence) were successful in hijacking perception and media coverage of the protest rally, to frame Trump and his supporters as "white supremacist insurrectionists".
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But supposing the world has become “filled up”, so to speak, with liberal democracies, such as there exist no tyranny and oppression worthy of the name against which to struggle? Experience suggests that if men cannot struggle on behalf of a just cause because that just cause was victorious in an earlier generation, then they will struggle against the just cause. They will struggle for the sake of struggle. They will struggle, in other words, out of a certain boredom: for they cannot imagine living in a world without struggle. And if the greater part of the world in which they live is characterized by peaceful and prosperous liberal democracy, then they will struggle against that peace and prosperity, and against democracy.

? Francis Fukuyama, The End of History and the Last Man
To answer WB’s question, Bannon was prodding Trump to focus on Jan 6 and was reportedly in frequent contact with the WH that day. Sort of makes him an obvious person that they would want to question. WB knew that though but instead employs the smoke and mirrors that he accuse others of.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
To answer WB’s question, Bannon was prodding Trump to focus on Jan 6 and was reportedly in frequent contact with the WH that day. Sort of makes him an obvious person that they would want to question. WB knew that though but instead employs the smoke and mirrors that he accuse others of.


But even in CNN's above worst spin of it, Steve Bannon only encouraged Trump to organize a peaceful rally to draw media attention and public awareness to the issue of Biden's election fraud, that had been blocked out by media coverage. Bannon advised Trump this was a way to bypass the media, and force the media to cover a protest of over 100,000 Trump supporters in Washington DC voicing opposition to that election fraud, and forcing the media to cover Republican House/Senate debate of the issue.

It's a wild leap of an allegation beyond that to say that Trump "incited the violence". In point of fact, in the days and weeks leading up to January 6th, it was Trump who personally ordered 10,000 National Guard troops, to insure that things remained peaceful.
It was Pelosi and the Democrats who rescinded that order, and rescinded it multiple times, even when officers in charge on Jan 6th were on the phone begging for authorization to deploy those troops already ordered by Trump, at least 5 times on the day of January 6th, as I posted earlier.

It was Trump who in his 71 minute speech on January 6th, said "I know in a few minutes you're going to march over to the Capitol biling and PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the Republican Senate and House members legally challenging the electoral vote finalization. Seeking to have V.P. Pence stop the electoral finalization, and begin 2 or 3 weeks of televised hearings of debate, of the evidence of election fraud during a prolonged joint session in those weeks on the House/Senate floor.

It was Trump who about every 30 minutes all through the afternoon of January 6th, sent out Twitter posts instructing his supporters to "remain peaceful". Trump at no point incited violence or instructed his supporters to commit violence. As I've said repeatedly, at least 40 of the 60 charged with vandalism or violence are either (Democrat-loyalist) "un-indicted co-conspirator" FBI agents sent to frame Trump supporters (agents who are all identifiable in photos on Jan 6th, but never arrested or charged by the FBI.)
And John Earle Sullivan's BLM/Antifa group, who ALSO disguised themselves as Trump supporters and committed violence, and tried to incite or frame Trump supporters.
John Earle Sullivan, who orchestrated the Ashli Babbitt shooting, is out on bail under house arrest, free to still spread his hate and stoke violence on social media.
But Trump, who did nothing wrong, and even ordered the 10,000 National Guard to prevent violence, a National Guard order that others (Democrats) obstructed, is banned from that same social media.

On Facebook and Twitter, the Ayatollah can deny the Holocaust and boast of planning to wipe Israel off the map.
On Twitter and Facebook, the Chinese government can boast that they are "liberating" Uyghur women by forcing abortions to prevent them from becoming mothers, and keeping 2 million Uyghurs in concentration camp slave conditions, murdering many, harvesting their organs.
On Twitter and Facebook, Black Lives Matter and Antifa can openly plot and coordinate their riots and violent attacks in cities nationwide across the U.S..... but OH, Trump is too dangerous to be permitted to have an account.
The world is upside down.

That is YOUR Democrat-Bolshevik smoke and mirrors propaganda exposed, M E M.
It’s apparent that Bannon could shed more light on that day than what is publicly known. I think you know and understand why that is a problem for democracy haters like trump and his sheep.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It’s apparent that Bannon could shed more light on that day than what is publicly known. I think you know and understand why that is a problem for democracy haters like trump and his sheep.

That's clearly just the Bolshevism that's polluted you brain talking and nothing to do with the fact that these people seemed to organize hijinks behind that rube mob Wondy loves so much, MEM!

tongue
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It’s apparent that Bannon could shed more light on that day than what is publicly known. I think you know and understand why that is a problem for democracy haters like trump and his sheep.

I think it's clear that we already know the gist of the conversations between Trump and Bannon, that Bannon only encouraged Trump to stage a large PEACEFUL and patriotic protest by his supporters, to draw attention to the election fraud issue, in a way the liberal media (who were suppressing evidence of election fraud) could not ignore.
The FBI has already made clear in its reports that there was not a single firearm seized in or around the Capitol building, or anywhere in Washington Square. No firearms, no armed "insurrection", that lying Democrat/liberal media narrative completely disproven as unquestionably false.
The FBI has not charged a single person with "insurrection". The lying Democrat narrative again instantly disproven.

We also know, from the FBI's own investigative reports, that of the 60 or so charged with violence or vandalism:
1) at least 40 of the 60 were either "un-indicted co-conspirator" undercover FBI agents who were stoking violence and trying to get Trump supporters to follow them into violence (entrapment). And...
2) about 20 of them were John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa group, who were also only pretending to be Trump supporters, trying to either trick Trump supporters into violence, or get them blamed for BLM/Antifa's violence.
So an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the 60 involved in violence and rioting were not Trump supporters, but those trying to frame them. Did Steve Bannon organize them?
Why is there not the same curiosity and pursuit of evidence by Democrats on the committee of THESE people, as there is with their witch hunt against Bannon?
Ah.
Because it doesn't fit their slanderous lying narrative.

It's clear that Steve Bannon is a person that both the liberal media and Democrat leadership love to portray as a sinister boogeyman, but that as with every president during their term, Trump's communications with those who advised him in that period are confidential, just as they were with every other past president and their advisors.
If going forward ,advisors to presidents know their conversations will be later exposed, they simply will not give presidents the best and most honest advice in the future, and will only discuss what will protect them from prosecution or embarassment at a later date if those conversations are made public.
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Meet Ray Epps: The Fed-Protected Provocateur Who AppearsTo Have Led The Very First January 6th Attack On The U.S. Capitol

If Revolver News’s previous reporting points to a proactive role of the federal government in relation to the conspiracy cases against Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, the Ray Epps story that follows suggests a similar, yet more egregious, explicit, direct and immediate degree of federal involvement in the breach of the Capitol itself.

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In a House hearing on Thursday, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) questioned AG Merrick Garland about a mysterious man, Ray Epps, instructing protesters to enter the US Capitol building on January 5, and who later shepherded crowds towards the Capitol on January 6.

The story of the mystery man, Ray Epps, featured in Rep. Massie’s video above is in fact far more shocking than even the good Congressman implies in the hearing. It’s a story so strange, and so scandalous at every turn, that it threatens to shatter the entire official narrative of the “Capitol Breach” and expose yet another dimension of proactive federal involvement in the so-called “insurrection” of January 6th.


Here is a transcript of Thomas Massie’s exchange with the Attorney General, just in case you skipped past the video above.

  • Rep. Massie: As far as we can determine, the individual who was saying he’ll probably go to jail, he’ll probably be arrested, but they need to go into the Capitol the next day, is then directing people into the Capitol the next day, is then the next day directing people to the Capitol. And as far as we can find. You said this is one of the most sweeping in history. Have you seen that video, or those frames from that video?

    AG Garland: So as I said at the outset, one of the norms of the Justice Department is to not comment on pending investigations, and particularly not to comment on particular scenes or particular individuals.

    Rep. Massie: I was hoping today to give you an opportunity to put to rest the concerns that people have that there were federal agents or assets of the federal government present on January 5 and January 6. Can you tell us, without talking about particular incidents or particular videos, how many agents or assets of the federal government were present on January 6, whether they agitated to go into the Capitol, and if any of them did?

    AG Garland: So I’m not going to violate this norm of, uh, of, of, of, the rule of law.

    [Looks down and away]

    I’m not going to comment on an investigation that’s ongoing.



There is good reason why AG Garland ran from Massie’s question faster than he could find words — and why he couldn’t even keep eye contact as he was dodging Massie’s gaze.

After months of research, Revolver’s investigative reporting team can now reveal that Ray Epps appears to be among the primary orchestrators of the very first breach of the Capitol’s police barricades at 12:50pm on January 6. Epps appears to have led the “breach team” that committed the very first illegal acts on that fateful day. What’s more, Epps and his “breach team” did all their dirty work with 10 minutes still remaining in President Trump’s National Mall speech, and with the vast majority of Trump supporters still 30 minutes away from the Capitol.

Secondly, Revolver also determined, and will prove below, that the the FBI stealthily removed Ray Epps from its Capitol Violence Most Wanted List on July 1, just one day after Revolver exposed the inexplicable and puzzlesome FBI protection of known Epps associate and Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes. July 1 was also just one day after separate New York Times report amplified a glaring, falsifiable lie about Epps’s role in the events of January 6.

Lastly, Ray Epps appears to have worked alongside several individuals — many of them suspiciously unindicted — to carry out a breach of the police barricades that induced a subsequent flood of unsuspecting MAGA protesters to unwittingly trespass on Capitol restricted grounds and place themselves in legal jeopardy.

Corroborating Ray Epps’s Identity

Identifying the individual in Thomas Massie’s video as Ray Epps was a surprisingly quick and easy task for the Internet.

It took less than a week after January 6 for online researchers to track Epps down and confirm his identity. Researchers uncovered his personal Facebook profile, where Epps shared his life story on Mark Zuckerberg’s social media app, under his real name.

On Facebook, Epps posted photos of himself boating, on horseback, and bear-hunting with a crossbow.

That’s a pretty big bear to hunt with a crossbow. And in many respects, Epps is quite an impressive figure. He served in the US Marines and ultimately worked his way up to full Marine Sergeant, according to his previous public title “SGT USMC” (Sergeant, US Marine Corp) and his private Facebook nostalgic musings.

Researchers went on to locate Epps’s ranch in Arizona, his events business, his private holding company, along with every publicly discoverable record imaginable. They even found his Facebook likes, religious affiliation, and preferred insurance agents and plumbing services, which we’ll avoid reporting in the interest of sparing unnecessary private details.

Epps, who grew up in Arizona and still lives there today, was contacted directly by local newspaper Arizona Central on January 11 — less than a week after January 6, and just three days after Epps was added to the FBI Most Wanted List, a detail upon which we will elaborate later on in this report.

AZ Central, which published its contemporaneous article on Epps under the original headline, In video, Trump supporter says, ‘We need to go into the Capitol’, first confirms his attendance at the Capitol protest:

  • A Queen Creek man who acknowledges he was in Washington, D.C., for last week’s rally by President Donald Trump also appears to be shown in videos taken the night before talking about plans to go inside the U.S. Capitol.

    In one video that has been widely viewed on Twitter, he can be heard saying, “I don’t even like to say it because I’ll be arrested. I’ll say it. We need to go into the Capitol.”

    Ray Epps told The Arizona Republic in a brief telephone interview Monday that he had traveled to the capital for the event, and that he had been advised by an attorney not to speak about it.

    “I think the truth needs to get out,” he said.

    A video online appears to show him saying, “We’re here to defend the Constitution” and “We need to go into the Capitol.


Epps didn’t stop at simply confirming his presence at the Capitol. Epps effectively corroborated on record that he was the exact same man telling Trump supporters they needed to go inside the Capitol.

  • Asked about it, he first told The Republic he would need to see the video. When read a transcript of the comments, he said, “The only thing that meant is we would go in the doors like everyone else. It was totally, totally wrong the way they went in.” [AZ Central]


The video below compiles shortened versions of five separate exchanges involving Epps at various hours during the night of January 5 and afternoon of January 6.

As you process the video above and the information to follow, it is important to keep in mind: Ray Epps is a free man. He has never been arrested or charged. Nearly 10 months after January 6, the FBI and Justice Department still refuse to comment on whether Epps has ever been served a search warrant.

But we do know that at least rank-and-file FBI investigators were intensely interested in Ray Epps in the immediate aftermath of January 6.

By January 8, the FBI Capitol Violence Most Wanted List featured a big fat friendly face shot of Ray Epps. The FBI’s Washington Field Office, in a tweet the same day, called for the public’s help in identifying Epps. Epps, dressed in full camo with a bright red “Trump” hat, is the FBI’s “Suspect 16” in the bottom-left quadrant of both images reproduced below:

{FBI images and video of Jan 6th]

For your edification, we matched FBI Suspect Photo #16 to the timestamp 0:48 of the full barricade breach source video:

[more video]

There are currently 486 suspects in the FBI’s Capitol Violence Most Wanted list. The fact that Ray Epps was one of the first 20 suspects the FBI ever publicly featured on its “be on the lookout” boards and “Most Wanted” lists reveals just how high a priority the FBI’s rank-and-file investigators considered Epps to be.

So to recap, on January 8, the FBI begged the public’s help to identify the mysterious “Person #16.”

Then, a funny thing happened: the public actually delivered.

Initially, swarms of left-wing researcher accounts, Antifa groups, and partisan non-profits leapt into Crowdsourced Internet Detective mode. They assigned Epps’s identity various hashtags and tracked his movements throughout January 5-6. The primary three hashtags assigned to Epps were:

* #CrowdControl, because of the way Epps was always controlling every crowd he was a part of on both January 5 and January 6;
* #FedBoomer, because of the shocking video (analyzed below) of Epps being shouted down as a “Fed” by Trump supporters for proposing to enter the Capitol; and
* #BigMagaCamo, which came to be Epps’s final, neutral descriptor name. It is under the #BigMagaCamo moniker that virtually all left-wing databases, shared Google spreadsheets and multimedia archives retain most of their Ray Epps information.
Within days of the riot at the Capitol, archives quickly swelled with videos and images of Epps.

Ray Epps played two roles in virtually every encounter during his Commando Capitol Tour on January 6.

First, Epps instructed his commandos and the crowds at his attention to rush into the Capitol and let nothing stop them. Second, Epps assiduously protected cops and law enforcement so no local or federal officers would be harmed during the precision breaches.

If you want to see what this walking philosophical paradox looks like in action, here’s a clip of Epps patrolling the very front police lines of the Capitol’s Western Plaza at approximately 3:15 p.m at the height of the day’s mania — nearly two and a half hours after Epps and his “breach team” appeared to coordinate the toppling of the Capitol’s East-side police barricades. This was also nearly a full hour after the US Capitol building itself had already been breached. With Epps’s stated mission of breaching the Capitol accomplished, and hundreds of Trump supporters already inside, Epps’s mission magically switched to calming the crowd down, assuring them “We already made our point,” and ensuring that no more of his apparently fellow officers got hurt that afternoon:

So on January 8, 2021, the FBI begged the public for information regarding the identity of Suspect 16, Ray Epps, and even offered a cash reward.

The public obliged, and in less than three days, Ray Epps was identified as Suspect 16. Researchers corroborated his identity with troves of unassailable direct evidence, including an effective confession from Epps himself to his own local newspaper.

Then, for nearly six months, amidst the biggest manhunt in American history, the FBI did nothing with this information. As the FBI did nothing on Epps, it was simultaneously investigating, arresting, raiding and imprisoning hundreds of completely benign MAGA moms and social media trolls — mostly for minor misdemeanor trespassing charges.

Then, on July 1, between the hours of 3:37 a.m. and 5:55 p.m., the FBI finally took action on Ray Epps. But not to prosecute him, or to announce a sweeping investigation or FBI SWAT raid on Epps’s house for all of his phones and electronics. Instead, someone at the FBI quietly and stealthily purged every trace of Ray Epps from the Capitol Riots Most Wanted database.

Using the Wayback Machine from archive.org, we see that from January 8, 2021 until 3:37 a.m. on July 1, every archived version of the FBI.gov website shows Ray Epps as Suspect 16. The below photo is just a snapshot sample from February 16, 2021 — but users can view the Web Archive themselves to witness the Ray Epps purge occurring sometime between 3:37 a.m. and 5:55 p.m. on July 1. That would be during the FBI workday.

[ more FBI site photos from Jan 6th ]

On, July 1, Ray Epps, Suspect 16, was disappeared, as if he never existed.

[ Same FBI page photos, with Epps' photos wiped from the site.]

Now let’s be clear: Ray Epps was not purged because he was arrested. If Epps was arrested, the FBI Wanted List would have the caption “ARRESTED” affixed to his picture, as you can plainly see is done for all other arrested suspects in the database itself.

Further, the searchable Justive.Gov Capitol Breach Cases database confirms there are no case dockets or filings for any “Epps” at all.

To anyone checking the January 6 FBI Most Wanted List today, “Suspect 16” is just a ghost. Only obsessive, fastidious Wayback Machine users spending hours pouring through archived screenshots could ever forensically confirm Ray Epps was ever really a Wanted Man.

The question then arises: what prompted the FBI’s six-month slumber on Epps, and then their sudden purger on July 1?

Well, they panicked. Two major media reports (discussed below) came out on June 30, each of which touched the Ray Epps “Third Rail” from different angles, and the FBI likely realized it was no longer safe to maintain a digital record acknowledging they ever knew who this guy was. Then, the FBI hoped no one would notice the purged files, or would either politely look away or actively assist with their cover-up.

Let’s spell out the chronology a bit more before discussing the two pieces that likely prompted the FBI’s freakout.

First, while left-wing and Antifa accounts had been all over Ray Epps since Week 1, Epps did not come to right-wing and pro-Trump researchers’ attention until June 17, when a viral Twitter thread highlighted a series of shocking, verifiable livestream video timestamps where Epps instructed Trump supporters to go into the Capitol and then was shouted down on suspicions he was a Federal agent.

Just three days prior to the publication of the Epps Twitter thread, Revolver published a June 14 report on FBI operatives embedded within the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers on January 6th, which created a national narrative igniting a firestorm around the issue.

With Revolver’s piece catching national attention, the Epps Twitter clips posted on June 17 intensified right-wing interest in how it could be possible that Epps remained unindicted. After all, the Justice Department, in its hundreds of arrests, claims to still be stumped by the lack of evidence that anyone had actually pre-planned the storming of the Capitol.
On June 30th, the New York Times published a piece entitled Inside the Capitol Riot: An Exclusive Video Investigation. This is the first of the two aforementioned June 30th publications that caused major problems for the FBI’s narrative.

The New York Times analysis purported to be “the official record” of what happened at the Capitol that day. But there were a few problems with “the official record” produced by the New York Times. For one, it told an outright lie about Ray Epps:

  • One of the biggest questions hanging over the aftermath of Jan. 6 was whether the riot was planned and carried out by organized groups.

    By identifying and tracking key players throughout the day, we found that most — even some at the forefront of the action — were ardent, but disorganized Trump supporters swept up in the moment and acting individually.

    The first person to enter the Capitol building, for example, was a 43-year-old husband and father from Kentucky named Michael Sparks. He has no known affiliation with any organized groups. Ray Epps, an Arizona man seen in widely-circulated videos telling Trump supporters on multiple occasions to go into the Capitol, also seemed to have acted on his own.


The NYT appears to be running cover for the FBI by referencing Epps’s appearance in “widely-circulated videos” and concluding that he “seemed to have acted on his own.”

This media malpractice NYT cover-up lie could not be further from the truth.

Below, we see Epps give explicit instructions, mere minutes before the very first breach of a police barricade on January 6. He gives these instructions to a still-unindicted, still “FBI Wanted” ex-Marine commando nicknamed “MaroonPB” who is antagonizing police officers with a blazing bullhorn.

After receiving instructions from Epps, MaroonPB replies, “Noted” — which, last we checked, means “stipulated”, “understood” or “agreed.” This is an explicit verbal agreement between two or more people — the opposite of the NYT’s claim that Epps “acted on his own.”

In case it wasn’t clear enough already, Epps also says “One more thing” — stipulating he gave the man a set of instructions before adding others. And those next instructions were, “When we go in, leave this here,” likely in reference to MaroonPB’s cannister of bear spray.

Amazingly, on June 30th, the NYT’s “Insurrection” obsessives, trying to decipher a secret “dog whistle” between President Trump, Stephen Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, and Roger Stone and the tens of thousands of MAGA protesters in DC that day, were now poking their own eyes out to avoid acknowledging actual coordination, caught on tape, between unindicted persons apparently orchestrating the opening act of the Capitol attack.

In any case, the NYT story must have created a real public relations headache for the FBI. How could the New York Times tell tens of millions of people that Epps was a key instigator in the “Makeup of the Mob” if the FBI had already known about Epps for 6+ months and even had his mugshot on the Most Wanted list? Perhaps the Times would have done the FBI a much bigger favor if they had simply not referred to Epps at all.

Could it be that the FBI decided they’d just purge Epps from the list, never tell anyone, and pretend they had never seen all the videotapes, the images, the message boards, the newspaper confession, and so on? As long as no one blew up Ray Epps’s name any further, the whole thing might blow over.

Also on June 30th, Revolver published a bombshell report exploring the extraordinary degree of federal protection afforded to founder and leader of the Oath Keepers militia, a man named Stewart Rhodes. This is the second of the aforementioned two pieces that likely triggered the FBI’s freakout.

A recent Revolver update on the inexplicable FBI protection of Stewart Rhodes recaps the strange situation.

Prosecutors argue it was:

* Rhodes who established the Oath Keepers conspiracy;
* Rhodes who recruited people into the conspiracy;
* Rhodes who organized and gave key instructions to the conspirators;
* Rhodes who suggested the use of illegal weapons such as “collapsible batons”;
* Rhodes who activated the conspiracy in real-time on January 6 via text messages and phone calls
to his lieutenants from 1:38 – 2:40 p.m..;
* Rhodes who waited on the Capitol steps for the completion of the conspiracy from approximately 3:30-4:00 p.m..; and
* Rhodes who later congratulated everyone on a conspiracy well done at 7:14 p.m.
Furthermore,

The Oath Keepers indictment cites 18 phone calls as evidence of coordination of a common conspiracy (for those following along, these calls are in paragraphs 105, 107, 108, 113, 114, 116, 118, 122, 123, 125, 126, 130, 134, 135, 138, 174, 175, and 176).
Stewart Rhodes is the person either calling or being called in 10 of these 18 calls. Put another way: Rhodes makes or receives 55% of all phone calls in a massive conspiracy case spanning 16 defendants.
When you combine phone calls involving Rhodes and those involving the mysteriously unindicted Person Ten, who Rhodes appointed his ground commander for the day, that number rises to 100% of all phone calls.

So what exactly does the curious case of Stewart Rhodes have to do with Ray Epps?

Students of FBI history should quickly absorb the lesson that infiltrating Feds are like roaches: whenever you spot one, it is guaranteed there are dozens others nearby. Feds simply never, ever, operate alone. This is how you end up with at least 12 FBI informants in a tiny “right-wing” Michigan militia plot from October 2020 (that’s just informants, not even agents), 15 informants in the “right-wing” 2016 Malheur plot, dozens in the 2014 Bundy Ranch affair — including six FBI undercover agents posing as fake documentarians shooting a fake documentary — and the list goes on.

You’ll be shocked, then, to learn that the Oath Keepers sport an eye-poppingly long history of FBI infiltration.

And lo and below, Ray Epps and Oath Keepers kingpin Stewart Rhodes are old pals in the organization. In fact, Stewart Rhodes was Ray Epps’s old boss. Back in 2011-2012, Epps was the Arizona state chapter leader of the Oath Keepers — the biggest Oath Keepers chapter in the country — while Rhodes was and remains the national leader. (See, e.g., archived proof of Epps as Arizona Oath Keeper President here, here and here.) Reason Magazine’s Radley Balko even interviewed Ray Epps while Epps was running the Arizona Oath Keepers a decade ago:

  • This week I also spoke with Ray Epps, a retired Marine sergeant from Mesa, Arizona and president of the Arizona chapter of Oath Keepers, the controversial organization of police and military personnel who have vowed not to enforce laws they believe are unconstitutional. After hearing about Guerena’s death, Epps drove to Tucson to investigate.


Oddly, Stewart Rhodes’s website OathKeepers.org deleted several historical blog posts featuring events run by Ray Epps, where Epps was listed as both President and Press Contact.

The Wayback Machine’s automatic archiving process suggests Stewart Rhodes’s OathKeepers.org posts concerning Ray Epps were effectively dormant from 2011 until 2021. Then, at approximately 3 p.m. on January 27, 2021, there is an update showing the page had been 404’d.

That's already a ton of evidence. Plenty more of evidence and video at the link.
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Poll: Majority of Voters Believe 'Cheating Affected Outcome of 2020 Election'


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A Rasmussen Reports poll released earlier this week showed that a majority of likely voters think cheating affected the 2020 presidential election.
What's more, this number has increased not only with all voters, but Democrats, Independents, and Republicans. According to results from October, 56 percent of all likely voters believe that "it is likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election," including 41 percent who say it's "very likely."

“How likely is it that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election?"

Majority, Likely: April 2021 - 51% ... Oct 2021 - 56%

DEM: Now 32% - Was 30%
IND: Now 54% - Was 51%
GOP: Now 84% - Was 74%
All Voters: 56% - Was 51% https://t.co/KJoK8ZDCSG
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 14, 2021

ICYMI: "Rasmussen Poll: 56 Percent Believe Cheating Tainted Biden's 2020 Victory"https://t.co/Xl9TOYJSCM pic.twitter.com/e8m2paunHE
— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) October 12, 2021
Ray Epps said peacefully, but he's different and to blame for all of this rather than Trump who also said peacefully while saying to fight like hell or lose your country?

You're in a fucking cult, you moron.
Ray Epps is to MAGA what Umbrella Man was to the protest in Minneapolis, a convenient distraction and cover from their own horribleness.
Originally Posted by iggy
Ray Epps said peacefully, but he's different and to blame for all of this rather than Trump who also said peacefully while saying to fight like hell or lose your country?

You're in a fucking cult, you moron.

1) Every time you post, you prove I'm right, that you're a malicious piece of human garbage. Pure insults, no facts, just pure malicious spite on your part. You're a liar, who can't control your self-incriminating vicious streak.

2) Ray Epps, according to the FBI's own investigation reports of Jan 6th events is one of "AT LEAST 20" un-indicted co-conspirators, each one an agent provacateur trying to stoke Trump supporters into violence, FBI agents who ON VIDEO committed some of the worst of the violence. And despite shown on video leading the violence, the FBI is not even looking for these "AT LEAST 20". Because they are the FBI's own, who tried to set up and frame Trump supporters.

3) Trump said absolutely nothing to incite violence on January 6th, either in his speech that day, or in his social media posts all throughout the afternoon of Jan 6th, in every post guiding his ACTUAL supporters over and over to "remain peaceful".
(NOT the 20 or so FBI un-indicted co-conspirators sent to frame Trump and his supporters, And NOT John Earle Sullivan and his 20 or so BLM/Antifa group, who openly boast on video they are there to frame Trump supporters, Who combined were at least 40 of the 60 who committed vandalism or violence on Jan 6th.)
In saying "fight like hell", Trump used the same language as literally hundreds of other speakers at that very same Washington mall over the last 20 years, phrasing that both Democrats and Republicans have used to press their supporters to protest vigorously for their respective causes. So what you say is once again lies, misrepresentation with no context, and pure malicious propaganda talking points.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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Poll: Majority of Voters Believe 'Cheating Affected Outcome of 2020 Election'


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A Rasmussen Reports poll released earlier this week showed that a majority of likely voters think cheating affected the 2020 presidential election.
What's more, this number has increased not only with all voters, but Democrats, Independents, and Republicans. According to results from October, 56 percent of all likely voters believe that "it is likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election," including 41 percent who say it's "very likely."

“How likely is it that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 presidential election?"

Majority, Likely: April 2021 - 51% ... Oct 2021 - 56%

DEM: Now 32% - Was 30%
IND: Now 54% - Was 51%
GOP: Now 84% - Was 74%
All Voters: 56% - Was 51% https://t.co/KJoK8ZDCSG
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 14, 2021

ICYMI: "Rasmussen Poll: 56 Percent Believe Cheating Tainted Biden's 2020 Victory"https://t.co/Xl9TOYJSCM pic.twitter.com/e8m2paunHE
— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) October 12, 2021
Trump used the word peacefully exactly fucking once in his peak tantrum "stolen election" screed, you deranged cultist hillbilly.
Originally Posted by iggy
Trump used the word peacefully exactly fucking once in his peak tantrum "stolen election" screed, you deranged cultist hillbilly.

You're an uninformed moron. Trump said "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the Republican House and Senate members inside the Capitol on the joint session floor.
Which Trump supporters did, in peaceful demonstrations outside the Capitol building.

Throughout the day on Jan 6th, 2 or 3 times an hour, Trump in Twitter posts pressed his supporters to "remain peaceful".

And when the 20 or so FBI agent provacateur "un-indicted co-conspirators", and the 20 or so in John Earle Sullivan's BLM/Antifa group both tried to trick Trump supporters to enter the building, Trump without even knowing at that time it was Democrat operatives orchestrating the violence, released a video instructing his supporters to immediately leave and go home, which they did. Plainclothes security consultants who have monitored this and the many protests and crowds for a living in Washington Square over many years, said they were astonished how quickly Trump supporters complied with Trump's video instruction and left.
Literally at least 40 or more of the 60 who did anything resembling violence on January 6th were clearly in official investigation reports either FBI agents or BLM/Antifa, NOT Trump supporters, agents sent to FRAME Trump supporters.. When that many people, an overwhelming majority of the 60, were orchestrating the set-up of Trump supporters, it becomes ridiculous to say there was any "insurrection".

There was no "tantrum" by Trump. His 71-minute speech on January 6th has been posted here repeatedly.
https://vimeo.com/497719926
Trump is actually fun and entertaining to watch, in this and any of his rallies, his use of jokes and playful sarcasm is anything but a "tantrum".
But you continue to lie, because that's just in your DNA to do so.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
HELP!

I'm in a cult!

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Originally Posted by iggy
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
HELP!

I'm in a cult!

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Translated:

Originally Posted by iggy
fishing

and:

Originally Posted by Iggy
panic Nyah Nyah Nyah, you're a poopy-face, you're an idiot, you're a cultist, etc., etc. BLA BLA BLA panic
I, too, was sad to see Biden pull the plug on Trump's Infrastructure Week...

Suck it, cultist!
Tucker Carlson stated on November 1...nally entrapped" American citizens.
“ Tucker Carlson’s conspiracy theory about FBI and Jan. 6 continues to be wrong

A debunked conspiracy theory that claims federal agents incited the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is making a new appearance in Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s new three-part documentary series, "Patriot Purge."

The controversial series that started airing Nov. 1 attempts to frame the insurrection as a false flag arranged by the federal government to ensnare American citizens who supported former President Donald Trump. The video is available on Fox News’ subscription-based streaming service "Fox Nation," but it’s not being aired on the Fox News channel.

"Most Americans probably assume the chaos on Jan. 6 was the result of intelligence failures or of simple government incompetence. But direct incitement by federal agents? The intentional entrapment of American citizens? No decent person wants to believe that. But increasingly there’s evidence it is true," Carlson claimed at the close of the first segment.

Carlson is wrong. There is no credible evidence behind this theory, and Carlson’s piece doesn’t present any. PolitiFact reached out to Fox News but did not hear back. The FBI declined to comment.

The film’s claims
The first time we saw this claim from Carlson, he based it on reporting by Revolver News, a right-leaning website. In a June 14 article, headlined, "Unindicted Co-Conspirators in 1/6 Cases Raise Disturbing Questions of Federal Foreknowledge," Revolver speculated that because there were unindicted, unnamed co-conspirators included in some of the Capitol rioters’ federal charging documents, it was reasonable to assume that those people are FBI informants or agents.

Carlson returned to Revolver as a source for his documentary series, interviewing Darren Beattie, who runs Revolver News and is a former Trump White House speechwriter who was fired in 2018 after he appeared on a panel with a white nationalist. In the video, Beattie made conspiratorial claims connecting the foiled October 2020 plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to the notion that the FBI orchestrated the insurrection, because informants and undercover FBI operatives were involved.

Beattie referenced Steven D’Antuono, the former director of the Detroit FBI field office, who was promoted to help lead the FBI’s Washington, D.C., office after his team successfully thwarted the Whitmer kidnapping. D’Antuono is now working on the Capitol riot cases. The film suggested this is suspicious, and Beattie reiterated his website’s reporting that D’Antuono was "quietly" promoted. The suggestion ignores that the FBI issued a press release about the news and local media wrote stories about it.

The comparison between Jan. 6 and the Whitmer plot is fraught. The plan in Michigan was never carried out, as is the case with most schemes that involve undercover agents and result in criminal charges.

Carlson cites reporting from journalist Trevor Aaronson on FBI stings that were used to to entrap Muslims after 9/11 to support his theory that the same was done to Trump supporters at the Capitol. But back in June, when Carlson first used Aaronson’s research in one of his segments, Aaronson responded in an article and said the Fox News host distorted his reporting.

"While it is true that the FBI has since 9/11 set up hundreds of Muslims in counterterrorism stings, providing weapons and sometimes the ideas for plots, I have seen zero evidence to suggest that Jan. 6 was part of a plot engineered by the FBI," Aaronson told PolitiFact in an email. "What's more, the scale of the Capitol riot, involving hundreds of people from all over the country, makes the suggestion that this was some FBI plot absolutely ludicrous."

Carlson also claimed that a former DEA agent, Mark Ibrahim, was "strongly encouraged" to go inside the Capitol building by an unnamed FBI informant friend who had invited him to the rally. Carlson presents no evidence for this, and court documents show the friend denied urging Ibrahim to go inside. The friend told investigators Ibrahim had concocted the story and went to the rally to promote himself after submitting an intent to resign from the DEA. The witness also told federal agents they were not at the Capitol in any formal capacity for the FBI.

Meanwhile, Ibrahim wasn’t indicted for "simply being near the Capitol," as Carlson asserted in the series. Court documents show Ibrahim faces charges for bringing a firearm onto restricted grounds and for making false statements to federal agents.

Others who appeared in the series claimed that so-called "professional agitators" were there that day to tip things into chaos and were seen changing clothes. They pointed to the involvement of John Sullivan, who has been charged in the riot and is one of the only defendants who has been identified as supporting left-wing causes at times. But there is no evidence that Sullivan is connected to antifa, the FBI or the federal government or that he single-handedly caused the riot.

While there may have been individuals who were trying to quell passions, it’s clear from court filings in hundreds of cases that the people who were instigating violence were largely Trump supporters.

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We are seeing “the Justice Department treat American parents as domestic terrorists” under the Patriot Act.
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By Jon Greenberg • October 22, 2021
In the video, Carlson used other people, some of whom are charged in the riot, to bolster his argument. One person claimed that the Capitol police were simply letting everyone in the building in order to intentionally entrap them. But the film didn’t acknowledge that law enforcement were vastly outnumbered. One officer died the following day, and four more have died since by suicide.

Carlson’s assertions don’t hold up to scrutiny
Jesse Norris, a criminal justice professor at the State University of New York at Fredonia who researches entrapment incidents in terrorism prosecutions, told us that in order to show that those charged in Jan. 6 were directly incited or entrapped, Carlson would need to have evidence that undercover police or informants — who were working at the behest of law enforcement at the time — were involved in the planning of violence at the Capitol, or the instigation of violence while the protests were underway.

He would also need to show, Norris added, that the perpetrators were not already predisposed to commit the same crimes without the informants' influence.

"From a common-sense point of view, they were entrapped if the informants got them to do something they wouldn't have realistically done on their own," Norris said.

"The legal definition is narrower," he added. "Under federal law, someone is only entrapped if 1) the informant induced someone to commit a crime, and the inducement is more than just providing an opportunity and also includes some kind of pressure, and 2) the defendant was not already predisposed in some way to commit the same kinds of crimes before meeting the informant."

Factors used by courts and juries to decide whether a defendant was predisposed include such things as their criminal history, whether they were initially reluctant but were convinced by persistent inducement attempts, whether the idea for the crime originated with the informant, and the types of inducements used to persuade the defendant to commit the crime.

Ira Robbins, a law and justice professor at American University who has studied and written about unindicted co-conspirators, said Carlson’s statements don’t hold up to scrutiny.

"Where is the hard evidence going to the elements of entrapment?" Robbins said. "Did government agents originate the plan? Were they dealing with innocent individuals who didn't plan or were not involved in criminal activity? Without evidence going directly to these elements, Carlson's assertions are mere hyperbole and rhetoric. What plays well on TV doesn't usually play well in a court of law."

Meanwhile, even Fox News journalists have issued reports that dispute the conspiracy theory that the FBI helped instigate the riot.

Days before Carlson’s film was released, a Fox News’ segment about the congressional investigation into the insurrection aired on "Special Report With Bret Baier." The segment included an interview with former CIA officer Marc Polymeropoulos, who dismissed the suggestion that Jan. 6 was a false flag.

"One of the things with false flag operations as well, is sometimes it’s used by conspiracy theorists to actually hide the truth," he said. "Pretty far-fetched — in no way was Jan. 6 a false flag operation."

Our ruling
Carlson claims that federal agents directly incited people on Jan. 6 and "intentionally entrapped" American citizens.

There is no evidence that the FBI, or any other government agency, orchestrated or incited the Jan. 6 riot.

We rate this statement False.

RELATED: Tucker Carlson film falsely claims Jan. 6 is ‘pretext to strip millions’ of ‘constitutional rights’
Donald Trump Resisted Pleas to Stop Capitol Rioters: 'People Will Die'
“ As his own supporters breached the U.S. Capitol and began ransacking the seat of American democracy on Jan. 6, then-President Donald Trump remained holed up in his dining room. There, he watched the increasingly violent scene play out on television and resisted calls from those closest to him to urge the rioters to disperse, instead stewing over his recent electoral loss.
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Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by iggy
Trump used the word peacefully exactly fucking once in his peak tantrum "stolen election" screed, you deranged cultist hillbilly.

You're an uninformed moron. Trump said "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the Republican House and Senate members inside the Capitol on the joint session floor.
Which Trump supporters did, in peaceful demonstrations outside the Capitol building.

Throughout the day on Jan 6th, 2 or 3 times an hour, Trump in Twitter posts pressed his supporters to "remain peaceful".

And when the 20 or so FBI agent provacateur "un-indicted co-conspirators", and the 20 or so in John Earle Sullivan's BLM/Antifa group both tried to trick Trump supporters to enter the building, Trump without even knowing at that time it was Democrat operatives orchestrating the violence, released a video instructing his supporters to immediately leave and go home, which they did. Plainclothes security consultants who have monitored this and the many protests and crowds for a living in Washington Square over many years, said they were astonished how quickly Trump supporters complied with Trump's video instruction and left.
Literally at least 40 or more of the 60 who did anything resembling violence on January 6th were clearly in official investigation reports either FBI agents or BLM/Antifa, NOT Trump supporters, agents sent to FRAME Trump supporters.. When that many people, an overwhelming majority of the 60, were orchestrating the set-up of Trump supporters, it becomes ridiculous to say there was any "insurrection".

There was no "tantrum" by Trump. His 71-minute speech on January 6th has been posted here repeatedly.
https://vimeo.com/497719926
Trump is actually fun and entertaining to watch, in this and any of his rallies, his use of jokes and playful sarcasm is anything but a "tantrum".
But you continue to lie, because that's just in your DNA to do so.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Donald Trump Resisted Pleas to Stop Capitol Rioters: 'People Will Die'
“ As his own supporters breached the U.S. Capitol and began ransacking the seat of American democracy on Jan. 6, then-President Donald Trump remained holed up in his dining room. There, he watched the increasingly violent scene play out on television and resisted calls from those closest to him to urge the rioters to disperse, instead stewing over his recent electoral loss.
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Liberal narrative, not to be confused with actual facts.

AGAIN: Of the 600 or so who entered the Capitol (many tricked into entering by police, who held open the doors for them) 90% were only guilty of "trespassing".
Of the 60 or so who actually broke windows, committed vandalism or violently clashed with police , "at least 20" (in the FBI's own investigation reports) are "un-indicted co-conspirators" (i.e. FBI agents DISGUISED as Trump supporters, who did violence and tried to provoke the crowd, i.e., agents provocateur.
And another 20 or so were (as proven on videotape) John Earle Sullivan and his BLM / Antifa rioters, ALSO pretending to be Trump supporters, trying to incite the mob.

So again: If at least 40 of the 60 were agents trying to frame the well-over 100,000 Trump supporters, it can't fairly be portrayed as a "Trump-incited riot", when the overwhelming majority of violent offenders were >>NOT<<< Trump supporters, but people there to frame them. And Trump repeatedly in his 71-minute speech that day, in his repeated tweets about every 30 minutes throughout the afternoon, and his final video message that day instructing everyone to "go home and leave in peace", ALL encouraged peaceful demonstration, and NONE of them advocated violence.

Add to that how Trump in the week prior to Jan 6th ordered 10,000 National Guard troops to be there that day to insure peace, and how Pelosi and other Democrat apparatchiks made that national guard order disappear, even when Capitol police and other commanding officers on Jan 6th desperately requested those national guard troops 5 or 6 times throughout the day.

Don't blame Trump, when it is clear he did everything in advance to prevent violence, and Democrats, who wanted the chaos for their own narrative, scuttled those preventive measures, and did everything to make violence happen.
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Carlson returned to Revolver as a source for his documentary series, interviewing Darren Beattie, who runs Revolver News and is a former Trump White House speechwriter who was fired in 2018 after he appeared on a panel with a white nationalist. In the video, Beattie made conspiratorial claims connecting the foiled October 2020 plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to the notion that the FBI orchestrated the insurrection, because informants and undercover FBI operatives were involved.

It has been proven that 3 of the 5 people involved in the "plot" toi kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer were FBI agents and informants, including the plotter, and the van driver. So whose "plot" was it to kidnaap the governor? "Right-wing white supremacists", or the FBI? The facts prove it was the latter. And a few dim bulbs who were tricked into participating, just to fill the FBI/Democrat "dangerous white-supremacist/right wing" narrative.

And by the way....

https://www.politifactbias.com/2021/

https://www.conservapedia.com/PolitiFact

...Politifact is a liberal spin site, not a neutral source. It is owned by a far-left leaning Tampa newspaper, which only further underscores their bias. As is also evidenced by their targeting Republicans as factually false 3 times as often as Democrats.
Likewise Snopes.
Likewise Factcheck (owned by the left-leaning Washington Post).

All three are liberal spin-sites, operating under the pseudo-appearance of neutrality.
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By Jon Greenberg • October 22, 2021
In the video, Carlson used other people, some of whom are charged in the riot, to bolster his argument. One person claimed that the Capitol police were simply letting everyone in the building in order to intentionally entrap them. But the film didn’t acknowledge that law enforcement were vastly outnumbered. One officer died the following day, and four more have died since by suicide.

GAH ! How can you possibly front these OBVIOUS lies as if they were truth ?!?
They imply, as if we were stupid, that officer Brian Sicknick died of injuries from the rioting. But as we've discussed literally hundreds of times, Sicknick was completely uninjured and was joking around at the police station hours later when he collapsed. And Sicknick's own brother on January 8th reported that his brother had died of a stroke, which the liberal media misrepresented to be death from "being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher", and then when that was disproven, for several more months fronted the lie that Sicknick's stroke was from "a chemical sprayed on him", but hours of video footage proved that Sicknick was never struck or sprayed with anything that day. And even the New York Times that CREATED that narrative out of thin air finally retracted that lie.
But the assholes at PolitiFact are still fronting that lying narrative, in a carefully worded ambiguous suggestion that Sicknick died from riot injuries. And there is no evidence that any other officers who committed suicide did so in relation to Jan 6th events.

Only 600 went inside the Capitol on Jan 6th.
Of those, 90% were only guilty of "trespassing". Only 60 committed vandalism or other violence. And of those 60, "at least 20" (by the FBI's own reports) are "un-indicted co-conspirators" (FBI agents) and another 20 are John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa rioters, DISGUISED as Trump supporters, openly boasting ON VIDEO they were going to frame Trump supporters.

Politifact's deceitful propaganda is ANYTHING BUT a factual correction of Carlson's reports. Politifact repeatedly and deliberately misrepresents the facts to fit a liberal narrative, rather than presenting the actual facts.
I no longer take your word for anything WB. Conservapedia like yourself is overtly biased btw. Officer Strickland was attacked and sprayed with chemicals that left him incapacitated for a period of time. That you would claim he was completely uninjured is just a lie you repeat along with all the others. I see you for who you are WB. You don’t fool me anymore.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I no longer take your word for anything WB. Conservapedia like yourself is overtly biased btw. Officer Strickland was attacked and sprayed with chemicals that left him incapacitated for a period of time. That you would claim he was completely uninjured is just a lie you repeat along with all the others. I see you for who you are WB. You don’t fool me anymore.

So in other words, you only trust hyper-biased LIBERAL media.
And conservative media that cites the facts that are selectively omitted by the rabidly Democrat-partisan LIBERAL media you take at face value, despite their repeated lies they have been caught in over the last 5 years. And despite the liberal media's stated holy mission to partisanly destroy Trump and Republicans and advance the Democrat/cultural marxist/BLM/Antifa/anti-American cause.

You act like the facts I cited and quoted are "right-wing". No, they are just the facts, that the liberal media tries to pretend don't exist. As I've said before, multiple highly respected and award winning LIBERAL journalists such as Sharyl Attkisson, Glenn Greenwald, Lara Logan, , Bernard Goldberg, Ron Kessler, and John Solomon, spent decades working for liberal networks and newspapers, but were compelled by conscience to resign and break their contracts to leave those organizations and their high salaries and secure careers, TO ACTUALLY OBJECTIVELY REPORT THE NEWS as they previously had for decades, instead of lowering themselves to churn out partisan one-sided liberal propaganda that the liberal media has become over the last 10 years.
In the case of Glenn Greenwald, he was forced to leave a news organization HE CREATED !
In the case of Sharyl Attkisson, for CBS and CNN she did acclaimed investigative journalism for years on the George W. Bush administration and won awards and praise from her employers. But when she attempted afterward with the same objectivity to do the same investigative reporting of the Obama administration, her reports were edited and softened by CBS, or not broadcast at all.
So she resigned.
And her computers and files were hacked and deleted after by what investigating cyber-experts told her was intelligence community-level hacking and software. Obama's KGB.

So spare me the sermons about "overtly biased" and "right-wing" sources. The news you "trust", the 80% liberal/Pravda media, won't permit anything other than Party Line talking points to be reported, and have been proven to present deliberately false information over and over, ACTUALLY WORKING IN COLLABORATION with Democrats and the Democrat-KGB FBI, DOJ and intelligence community to manufacture that lying narrative. Whereas networks like FOX still report the facts even when reported events make conservatives look bad. And FOX and other conservative media give equal time and balanced coverage to liberal perspective. Juan Williams and other liberals have even substituted as hosts for Bill O'Reilly and other FOX hosts. Would you EVER see that on MSNBC or CNN? No, you wouldn't.
On a show like Rachel Maddow, she gets the first and last word, and never has conservatives debate her live on the air, she only shows conservative video clips that she has absolute control of, that she can slice and dice. Whether CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, Vox, or the harpies on The View, these people deliberately misrepresent the truth and have no interest in journalism.
Whereas the conservative media, for whatever lesser biases (no one is completely without biases or opinions) have a priority of objectivity and journalistic integrity.

In contrast to the liberal media, as represented by the on-air words of Lester Holt, that "Objectivity is over-rated".
And these are the people you trust for your "news".
How many times do the 80% liberal media (and 93% among Washington-based media correspondents) have to openly state their bias, their stated holy mission to advocate for the Democrat/Left and crush Republicans no matter what the facts? Their getting caught over and over DELIBERATELY getting the stories wrong to prop up the Democrat narrative?

The New York Times and Washington Post have most recently retracted their narratives reported for months and years, about the Trump "Russia collusion" narrative, and about the death of officer Brian Sicknick. And still you allege "right-wing bias" when it is the liberal media and Democrat Bolsheviks, who are over and over caught lying and manufacturing false reporting and false evidence.

While Republicans and the conservative media are over and over proven to have gotten the facts right, while the 80% liberal media got it wrong and been shamefully exposed for DELIBERATELY reporting it wrong, as part of a conspiracy in collaboration with the Democrats officials, Democrat/Deep State FBI and DOJ, and Democrat partisans in the intelligence community(James Clapper, John Brennan and Gina Haspel, to name a few.) The liberal media actually even rewards PROVEN liars like James Clapper, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan and James Comey with high-paying opinion consultant positions. And these people you trust for "objective" news.
They have been proven wrong, proven LIARS, proven CRIMINALS, over and over, for years !
See above response to your post WB. You deliberately claimed the officer was completely uninjured when in fact he was sprayed with enough chemicals to be incapacitated. You did that WB. If you have an issue with partisan liars than get yourself to a mirror and give yourself a good rinse of bear spray in the face. Than tell me if you felt it was an injury or not.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
See above response to your post WB. You deliberately claimed the officer was completely uninjured when in fact he was sprayed with enough chemicals to be incapacitated. You did that WB. If you have an issue with partisan liars than get yourself to a mirror and give yourself a good rinse of bear spray in the face. Than tell me if you felt it was an injury or not.

Here is Wikipedia's account, that is the liberal-media-narrative version and may or may not be fully correct, updated and accurate, but could never be mistaken for a "Right wing" media source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#Attack_on_the_Capitol

Portions of this are new since the last time I looked at it, and the last time I looked, and on multiple news channels over many months, they said that the many hours of video footage did NOT show officer Brian Sicknick being either bludgeoned or sprayed (Sicknick, NOT "Strickland" as you posted in error, I actually thought you were talking about another officer) not being struck with an extinguisher, or sprayed with anything.
And regardless of what other officers say about Sicknick being pepper sprayed, he had fully recovered in the evening of January 6th and was joking around, perfectly healthy, with other officers back at the Capitol police station, when he suddenly collapsed.
And regardless of what Wikipedia and Associated Press and other liberal sources are still fronting, the autopsy (which was suspiciously delayed to keep alive the liberal bludgeoning/spraying narrative, even though Sicknick's body was released within days to his family AND CREMATED, so that no "further investigation" by the coroner's office was possible in the months after, HIGHLY suspicious in such a nationally publicized death, that the coroner's office alleged they were "still investigating"even after they'd handed over Sicknick's body to be cremated.

The coroner's office said simply that Sicknick died of a stroke, NOT by a chemical spray, even though the liberal media (and Wikipedia) is ambiguously keeping this narrative open by weasel-wording. There is no proof of that, and it was not included as a possible cause of death in the coroner's report. Sicknick's own brother said he was notified by the coroner January 8th (as I cited in a linked article 6 months ago) that his brother died of a stroke, PERIOD, regardless of the statements by Democrat-aligned senior officers in the Capitol police department, and Democrat-loyalist reporters in the liberal media.
But you claimed he was completely uninjured. I think we both know officer Strickland was sprayed with chemicals in a way that incapacitated him and you would normally consider being an injury. Instead of just acknowledging that you just intensify your rant. Does that seem rational to you?
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/27/brian-sicknick-slain-capitol-police-officer-spraye/

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Prosecutors told a federal judge Tuesday that U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick was assaulted with Mace — not the more dangerous bear spray as originally reported — debunking another false narrative that emerged after the officer’s death the day after the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
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Anderson Cooper Has NO Shame! - Mark Dice, Dec 14 2021



I love the way he pans in and out dramatically every time he says "January 6th". I never heard of this guy before, but he makes serious commentary while being quite funny.
A good sense of comic timing.
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Here's how you know the Democrats rigged and stole the 2020 election

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by Wayne Allyn Root

Let me put this in terms even Democrats can understand.

Let’s say a white police officer killed an innocent black man who did nothing wrong. Unlike George Floyd, he had not committed any crime; was not resisting arrest; his body wasn’t filled with fentanyl; he had no lifelong violent crime record. None of that. Assume this poor guy was a law-abiding, tax-paying, church-going American. And the white cop killed him for the crime of “driving while black.”
What’s the reaction of the police? They say the shooting was righteous. They refuse to investigate. There is a bodycam videotape, but they refuse to release it. And get this- they refuse to allow anyone to even talk about it. If any cop talks about it, he loses his job. If anyone in the black community talks about it, social media will suspend them, or ban them for life.

What would all of that mean to you? Guilty as charged, right? The police must be covering up a crime. No one who’s innocent acts like that, right?
Guess what? That’s the EXACT reaction (or should I say, over-reaction) by liberals, Democrats and assorted socialists and communists to Republican accusations of massive voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

I thought in America we were all allowed to have our opinion. I thought we had free speech. I thought we had a right to investigate. I thought we had a right to see the videotapes. I thought we had a right to forensic audits.
I was wrong.

The fix is in. It’s crystal clear to me now, not only was the election rigged, but so is the post-election. It’s simple psychology. Just look at the absurd reaction, or over-reaction by Democrats.
Would anyone dare ban the right to discuss a possible racist police killing? Can you imagine the reaction by liberals, black activists and the ACLU? What if the Minneapolis police permanently banned any discussion of the George Floyd death? What if every black American who tried to give their opinion on Twitter, Facebook or YouTube was banned for life?
Who acts like that? Only guilty people.

That’s how you know.

Here are the questions I want answered…

  • If Democrats didn’t rig and steal the election, why are they so afraid of forensic audits in key battleground states- specifically the audit in Arizona right now?

    When Trump was a 8 to 1 landslide favorite with bettors around the world late on election night and clearly headed to a landslide electoral victory, why did five states suddenly announce (in coordination) they were stopping counting for the night?

    How come by morning these states had resumed counting with no GOP witnesses, and suddenly Biden was ahead? I thought you stopped counting?

    How come Michigan had a dump of 149,772 votes at 6:31 AM on November 4th – with 96% of the vote going to Biden?

    How did Wisconsin find 143,379 votes at 3:42 AM on November 4th, just about all of them for Biden? How come you could only produce numbers like this for Biden with no GOP witnesses in the room?

    How come in Philadelphia Democrats were so desperate to keep Republican witnesses out of the counting room? Why did you refuse entry of Republican witnesses even with a court order in hand? Why did you cover the windows with pizza boxes so no Republican could see in?

    In Detroit, there are videotapes of vans pulling up in the middle of the night with boxes of ballots. In Atlanta, there are videotapes of suitcases with thousands of fake ballots suddenly appearing after a fake water main break was used to force all GOP witnesses out of the counting room. Why can’t we discuss these videotapes?

    How come Twitter banned me for life over mentioning these videotapes?

    How come in Arizona the audit director says Dominion refuses to comply with a subpoena and turn over the password to their voting machines? True?

    How come the Biden DOJ suddenly wants to stop the Arizona audit?


These are all valid questions. Why aren’t we allowed to ask them? To discuss them? To post them on social media? What are Democrats hiding? What are they so afraid of?
In the end, that’s the proof Democrats rigged and stole the 2020 presidential election. The truth is in their ridiculous, heavy-handed over-reaction.

That’s the “tell.” That gives it all away. That’s how you know it really was rigged and stolen. Because they’re desperate to stop you from looking or even talking about it.
Democrats are guilty as sin.
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Wayne Allyn Root is the author of the new #1 national bestselling book, “TRUMP RULES.” Wayne is a CEO, entrepreneur and host of the nationally-syndicated “Wayne Allyn Root: Raw & Unfiltered” on USA Radio Network, daily from 6 PM to 9 PM EST and the “WAR RAW” podcast. To find out more about Wayne Allyn Root and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate website at www.creators.com.
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A year to the day now since the Democrats' "Jaunary 6th insurrection" narrative began. Hannity did the best overview of the coverage I saw of the anniversary, in citing the evidence that the Democrat narrative is blatantly untrue and in contradiction of the facts.

Hannity, Jan 6 2022, Thursday


1) Trump anticipated potential violence on Jan 6th 2021, as is the potential with any large-scale protest, particularly one where many other groups like Antifa and BLM communicated for several weeks online, as was detected by the New York police dept and several other law enforcement agencies in the 4 weeks preceding Jan 6th 2021, and the FBI was alerted by them. Trump authorized between 10,000 and 20,000 National Guard troops to be available at the protest, to prevent any potential escalation or violence. Anyone who wanted an "insurrection" would not call for a military presence, as President Trump did, to prevent an insurrection.
It was Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrats, and Washington DC mayor Bowser who prevented troops from being deployed, despite multiple police chiefs begging for those troops beforehand, and throughout the day on Jan 6th 2021, as things escalated.

2) As reported by Revolver News better than anyone else, the FBI's own investigative reports of Jan 6th at the Capitol show that "at least 20" un-indicted co-conspirators (i.e., undercover FBI agents, who stoked protesters to commit violence, who smashed windows and tried to push Trump supporters to violence, but they didn't take the bait and follow them into violence as intended.) The 100,000 Trump supporters that day mostly vocally identified these agents as "feds", and either ignored these Feds, or restrained them from smashing windows and committing violence. These un-indicted co-conspirators, such as Ray Epps, were initially identified as wanted on the FBI's own website. But as soon as Revolver News identified them as likely FBI agents in their coverage, the wanted photos on the FBI's website were taken down the next day, and despite being identified, were never arrested.
Meanwhile, about 1,300 Trump supporters currently arrested (only 600 of whom in any way went inside the Capitol !) who are guilty of nothing, no crimes, no trial, no conviction, are being held in federal prisons nationwide for no reason, and in horrible conditions, malnourished, in constant solitary confinement, deprived of medical care, often unable to even shave and bathe, and beaten, not even able to talk to a lawyer. Worse treatment than is given to Al Qaeda terrorists !


3) John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa/BLM group in dozens of videos openly boasted about disguising themselves and PRETENDING to be Trump supporters, and in their own self-incriminating videos committed a large percentage of the "insurrection" violence and vandalism. They openly boasted ON VIDEO of gleefully wanting to frame Trump supporters, or even tricking Trump supporters into following them into destruction and violence.
But Trump supporters, over 90% of whom only walked in and around the Capitol that was open to them, often with Capitol police welcoming them in and holding the doors wide open for them, are now indefinitely in jail for a year and counting, despite being guilty of no crime.
And Trump is banned from posting on Facebook and Twitter and 17 other social media sites, as allegedly posing "too much danger of inciting violence" to be permitted to post. Trump was banned while he was still president, despite clearly saying in his 70-minute Jan 6th 2021 speech that his supporters should walk over to the Capitol building and "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the Senators and House members who were contesting the electoral vote count inside, in a joint session of Congress.
Throughout the afternoon, about every 30 minutes, President Trump continued to urge his supporters in multiple texts to "remain peaceful". When there was rioting, Trump finally broadcast a message for his supporters to "leave in peace" and "go home". Only a false narrative that completely avoids the facts could accuse Trump of inciting the rioting on Jan 6th 2021.
And again, of the over 100,000 people who protested that day, only about 600 went inside the Capitol building, many welcomed inside by the police themselves.
And of that 600, about 90% only entered the Capitol and peacefully walked around (charged with "trespassing") .
And of the 60 or so who committed violence or vandalism, "at least 20" (Revolver News, sourced from the FBI's own investigative reports) were "un-indicted co-conspirator" FBI agents stoking the mob, and at least another 20 were John Earl Sullivan's Antifa/BLM group DISGUISED as Trump supporters. So if at least 40 of the 60 were people were not actually Trump supporters, but were in fact people trying to set up and frame Trump supporters... can the events of January 6th fairly be called a Trump supporter insurrection?
No.
No, it can't.
And meanwhile, as 1300 innocent Trump supporters are kept imprisoned indefinitely without humane conditions or a trial, and Trump is banned from even communicating on Twitter and Facebook... John Earle Sullivan who orchestrated the shooting of Ashli Babbit ( and videotaaped it on two cameras, from 2 different angles), the only overt murder of the day, and by a Capitol police detective, NOT by a Trump supporter.... John Earle Sullivan has been lounging at home on house arrest pending trial, and has been free for the last year to post his hate and stoke violence on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and elsewhere.
In what alternate parallel universe is this lawful or fair, or equal justice? It's an insult, and a humiliation for half the country.

4) in Hannity's above interview of former Trump DOJ official and prosecutor Kash Patel, they detail the documentation that Trump authorized 10,000 to 20,000 National Guard troops to maintain order on Jan 6 2021, that House speaker Pelosi and DC mayor Bowser IN WRITING refused and obstructed. And yet Trump and his supporters are falsely accused and imprisoned, and these Democrat leaders obstruct any investigation into their own actions that caused the violence, and of any investigation of the fact that the FBI itself is who, through fake-Trump-supporter undercover agents stoking the crowd, set up the violence, that Pelosi/Bowser's stand-down of National Guard troops made possible.

This is very similar to what happened in Charlottesville Virginia on August 12 2017, where an all-Democrat mayor and city council and city police leadership ordered no police protection the day of the protest, and Democrat governor (and longtime Clinton operative) Gov Terry McAuliffe arranged for the Virginia State Police (VSP) armored with riot gear and police batons actually pushed the 2,000 pro-General Lee statue protesters (mostly retired police and military) and the separate 300 self-identified white supremacists off their pre-obtained city-permit-designated protest area, and right into a mob of 12,000 BLM and Antifa who surrounded them on all sides, and the crowd hurled rocks and glass bottles at them from all sides, during the entire 2 miles they retreated completely unprotected by police, back to their cars to leave.
As detailed in the prior Charlottesville topic here.
Democrats did this, removed police presence that would have prevented violence, to deliberately create violence, and manufacture the Democrats' and allied liberal media's desired narrative of a "Trump supporting violent white racist mob" (despite that, completely separate from the pro-monument/pro-Trump conservatives, only a small fraction of them were actually white supremacists, there to hijack the event for their own self-promotion, unrelated to protests just to keep the statue).
In both the Jan 6 2021 incident at the Capitol, and the August 12 2017 incident in Charlottesville, both incidents occurred because that is exactly what the Democrats WANTED to occur, and what they had deliberately set the stage to occur, decreasing police protection to increase violence. To create their talking points false narrative.
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Two other details of the Democrats' "January 6th insurrection" :

1) Despite the DOJ/FBI pointlessly arresting 1300 alleged trespassers, not one of them has been charged with insurrection. And as I said, at least 90% of those arrested are only guilty of "trespassing", not violence or vandalism. There is no evidence, ZERO, of an organized campaign of violence to seize or occupy the Capitol or any other grounds, or to take captives. There are ZERO people killed by Trump supporters. Of the five who died, two are by strokes (including Officer Brian Sicknick), one died of a heart attack. Ashli Babbitt was killed by a Capitol police officer (for no reason). And the last one a 34-year old woman was initially alleged a drug overdose, but in fact appears to be from Capitol Police brutality, so possibly a second police killing of a Trump supporter.

2) According to FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism Jill Sanborn in Senate hearings answering Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), she said of the FBI's investigation of Jan 6th at the Capitol, not a single firearm was confiscated inside the Capitol or anywhere in the surrounding area on January 6 2021.
Vice president Kamala Harris in her incendiary prepared speech yesterday on the one-year anniversary on January 6th, said she and other legislators were "barricading themselves behind metal file cabinets". From WHAT?!? From guns and bullets that didn't exist? And were therefore impossible to have ever been fired to cower from? Complete fantasy, a completely deceitful and pointlessly divisive Democrat false narrative.
Here'ss another more complete Youtube video of the above Hannity program, with the Kash Patel interview, and also interview of Rep Jim Jordan and Rep. Jim Banks, who were not included in the partisan-Democrat January 6th witch-hunt committee:

Hannity, Jan 6 2022, Thursday


Same video (but NOT deleted by censoring Youtube). Kash Patel details documentation of Trump's authorization of up to 20,000 National Guard troops to deter violence on Jan 6 2021, but obstructed and refused by speaker Nancy Pelosi, and by Wash DC mayor Muriel Bowser (Kash Patel is interviewed from 20:00 to 24:49 in the video) :
https://news.yahoo.com/hannity-reacts-january-6-riot-025901080.html

Hannity, Jan 6 2022, Rep Jim Jordan, Rep Jim Banks


There is not one Representative on that House January 6th investigation committee who did not vote for Trump's impeachment, and therefore have a partisan agenda to destroy Trump and his supporters, NOT to objectively investigate the true events on Jan 6th. If they DID want to pursue the true facts and not just contrive a Bolshevik narrative, they would subpoena speaker Nancy Pelosi, subpoena the congressional Sargent at Arms, subpoena the Capitol Police chief, and subpoena others involved in refusing Trump's request for up to 20,000 National Guard troops, the absence of which enabled the FBI and Antifa-orchestrated rioting and chaos.
And subpeona all their self-incriminating exchanged e-mail communications with Speaker Pelosi.
And subpoena the "at least 20" un-indicted co-conspirators including Ray Epps, all to testify. And all the FBI superior officers who sent them on January 6 2021 to infiltrate and frame Trump supporters. And have them testify UNDER OATH.
And subpoena John Earle Sullivan and all of his Antifa/BLM group that were there openly gloating on video they were going to frame Trump supporters.

But hey, that would require an interest in the truth, that this partisan "House select committee" hit squad clearly doesn't have.
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Ted Cruz grills FBI assistant director Jill Sanborn, about FBI agents on January 6 2021 rally



That pretty much destroys the "Trump supporter insurrection/ domestic terrorist threat" narrative, with a single 2-minute series of questions.
It makes clear the sleazy way the FBI framed Trump supporters, to falsely label them as "domestic terrorists", where she absolutely refused to answer, in a way that looks like Jill Sanborn exercising her First Amendment right to not incriminate herself and her agency for crimes.

  • CRUZ: "Did FBI agents or informats actively participate in the January 6th events, yes or no?"
    SANBORN: "Sir, uh, I can't answer that..."

    CRUZ: "Did any FBI agents or informants commit crimes of violence on Jan 6?"
    SANBORN : "I can't answer that sir."

    CRUZ: "Did any FBI agents or informants encourage or incite crimes of violence on January 6th?"
    SANBORN: "Sir, I can't answer that."


That's it.
Game over. GAME OVER.

Exposed.
In recent months it's been proven there was no armed insurrection, that FBI or other law enforcement did not find or confiscate a single firearm on Jan 6th.
FBI has confirmed there was no organized violence, just a few random acts that could more accurately be described as some minor rioting, not any evidence to support a national insurrection narrative.
We've seen that the leader of Oath Keepers shared a hotel room with an FBI undercover agent, and it was this agent that gave the battle plan to Oath Keepers for Jan 6th.

That there were "at least 20" un-indicted co conspirator undercover FBI agents (as exposed by Revolver News, from the FBI's own investigative reports of Jan 6th) , who were in the crowd, and in the videotaped examples of Ray Epps and others, were trying to stoke the protesters to violence that they had no interest in committing.
That when these "at least 20" agents were exposed by Revolver News, the FBI suddenly wiped their wanted photos from the FBI website, and never pursued or arrested them.
While simultaneously and with incredible irony, jailing grandmas who only walked inside the Capitol that day, maliciously imprisoning them in harsh conditions for over a year in jail and counting, in isolation with no lawyer or trial, while the ACTUAL inciters and violent offenders are hidden and protected by the FBI.

And now Jill Sanborn is asked directly if these were FBI agents who were already previously established to be present, were in fact participants and EVEN THE PLANNERS AND INSTIGATORS OF THE VIOLENCE , and she evasively refuses to answer, in a way that is basically an admission of guilt by the FBI.

The 97% Hillary Clinton-donating DOJ/FBI was weaponized to frame Trump and his supporters for violence that FBI agents themselves planned and orchestrated, to frame Trump and his supporters.

Game over.
The "right wing terrorist/insurrection" narrative is dead.
And the over-reach of an oppressive Democrat-loyalist Deep State FBI who ACTUALLY planned and executed it at every stage, is fully exposed.

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Rep. Matt Gaetz, Rep Marjorie Taylor-Greene, expose evidence Jan 6th violence orchestrated by FBI "Fedsurecction", to frame Trump supporters



This was broadcast in its entirety by OAN, I flipped over to Fox News and Newsmax, and neither of them covered it live, or even gave summary of it after the fact.
A clear case of important events, that these ostensibly conservative networks selectively omitted coverage of.
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MICHAEL FANONE QUITS DC METRO POLICE, JOINS CNN AS COMMENTATOR



Wow, gee, I'm so shocked....

The partisan cop who has unrelentingly railed on Republican Senate and House members as alleged conspirators who should be criminally prosecuted for insurrection or treason, who called the entire Republican party something that should be "cut out like a cancer".... that dedicated, apolitical and totally neutral police officer, now joins the most partisan of all the liberal partisan news networks.
Well, I guess that totally proves his neutrality, how could we have been so wrong? Oh well, Avenatti's departure opened up another con artist position at the network.


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https://bobbypowell.substack.com

A citizen journalist I mentioned earlier in the topic, who has posted plenty of video footage of the unidentified persons smashing windows on Jan 6th, and photographed the [presumably FBI] provocateurs inciting Trump supporters to go inside the Capitol. Videos that can identify several of the "up to 20" un-identified co-conspirator (FBI agents) who are clearly identifiable committing crimes, but the FBI has taken their photos off their FBI website, the ones who started and orchestrated the violence. FBI /DOJ is not looking for them, and is instead arresting trespassing grandmas and grandpas.

Despite plenty of footage that can identify the REAL "insurrectionists", the FBI has no interest in identifying or arresting them, because like Ray Epps, they work for the FBI,. And finding and identifying them would force the FBI to admit the whole thing on Jan 6th was a false flag operation by the FBI, to frame Trump supporters, to crush the Trump movement. And to create a distraction that would allow Biden to be inaugurated without an electoral votes challenge on Jan 6th.
I'll eternally blame a weak-willed Mike Pence for not stalling the electoral count, and forcing a televised coverage of the election fraud evidence for 2 or 3 weeks in nationally televised joint-session House and Senate hearings.

After a year of Biden, maybe there is enough public consensus and pressure for removing Biden, and having that public debate.
Although that will not likely happen before the mid-term election, and hopefully resulting in Republican House and Senate majorities, to create the investigative hearings.
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ASHLI BABBITT PUNCHED OTHER RIOTER SECONDS BEFORE SHE WAS SHOT, NEW VIDEO SHOWS


And:

https://americangulag.org/zachary-jordan-alam/

The guy she punched (whose glasses fell of when she hit him), Zachary Alam, was smashing windows, and she apparently did it to stop him.

One report I saw said Alam was wearing an earpiece. And that his photos were on the FBI most wanted website, then were taken off.

Alam also shouted "fuck the blue" in court. Does that sound like a Trump supporter? No, it doesn't.


Further, Ashli Babbitt was a military police officer, and if you've ever met one, they're very law and order by-the-book kind of people, who know the law better than just about anyone in the military. It looks like she was trying to stop rioters, not like she was a rioter. And there were three officers blocking the double glass doors, who suddenly step aside for no logical reason, and immediately the mob starts smashing the windows, and seconds later Ashli Babbitt was shot. On video, from two different cameras.
That reeks of a set-up.
Again, the three officers moved away from the doors for no logical reason, and then Capitol police officer Lt. Michael Byrd shot Ashli Babbitt, who by his own televised-interviewed account did not see her face, did not see her hands to know if she was armed or not, and fired on her anyway, but was never even investigated for shooting this unarmed 5 foot girl. There are a number of things that don't add up.
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The realities of the Nov 2020 election rigging were reported even 5 weeks before the 2020 election:
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=29549

Although not well known until after the election. But still observed and documented, despite the Democrat-Left, and George Orwell's liberal media and social media buried under a narrative of "conspiracy theory". Despite that two Democrat 2020 candidates, Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Se. Elizabeth "Pocahantas" Warren, and also Democrat Sen. Ron Wyden, has all advanced the same warnings of election fraud, and even pushed legislation to stop it in 2019. But now that election fraud has worked in their party's favor, these same Democrat-Bolsheviks portray it as just "right wing conspiracy theory", to say that what they themselves warned about, with legislation to stop it no less is what actually happened in 2020.
Cue more "it has to be fraud...and vote rigging...and the deep state...and we need a civil war..." from the band of misfit morons gauging less popular than Biden, crime, and inflation...
Originally Posted by iggy
Cue more of my profanity-laden insults and pointless antagonism, without a shred of fact to back up what I'm saying. Just unleashing vulgarity and insults at people I dissagree with, because I can't intellectually match them in the realm of debate and facts...


And by the way : "gauging" ? Spell much? Write english much?

The "Band of misfit morons" are the Democrats who to a man support Marxism, sometimes euphemistically branding it Socialism (but "The goal of socialism is communism" --Vladimir Lenin), the morons who screech "De-fund the police", the Democrat morons who support Black Lives Matter and Antifa, the morons who cheered on as BLM/Antifa burned and looted 575 cities in 2020, the Democrat morons who cheer on nightly attacks by Antifa on federal buildings and armed attacks on federal agents and ICE agents. The Democrat morons who release violent criminals with no-bail laws so they can rape and kill more people. Except of course (the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi, the illegals bussed to Martha's Vinyard) when THEY are at risk, and then suddenly they want violent criminals in jail, and illegals deported. ONLY then. And mayors and city councils like those in Chicago and Los Angeles, that rail on de-funding the police, but then reserve 50 officers to protect themselves, hypocritically, obscenely, while the protection they took away from their constituents causes people to be raped and killed.

And about "wanting a civil war", I've heard no Republican voice that. Republicans are the rule off law side, who believe in our system and institutions, no matter how much the Democrats try to rig the political machinery.
It is the DEMOCRATS who want Socialism/Marxism, who undermine the rule of law, the party of crime, the party of illegal immigration and of circumnavigating and undermining border security, the DEMOCRATS who support the Bolshevik violence and intimidation of BLM and Antifa. Who tear down, burn and urinate on statues of our nation's founders, such is their hatred for our nation and Constitution. (NANCY PELOSI: "I don't care about statues...")
It is the DEMOCRATS who want to stack the Supreme court, and support protesters outside their homes 24/7 intimidating them and their families to prevent them from neuttrally ruling on cases.
It is the DEMOCRATS who are trying to federalize elections (H.R.1, S.B.1) to set up authoritarian one-party rule, where Republicans can not even challenge unfair elections or ask for election re-counts when there is question of rigged elections. Where the Democrat party permanently rigs the system, so they can never lose another election.


And by the way, moron, The top three issues of concern to voters are inflation (CAUSED by Democrats), rising crime (CAUSED by Democrats), and rising illegal immigration/lack of border security (CAUSED by Democrats). All of which were not even issues when Trump left office on Jan 20, 2021. Less than 2 years later, Democrat Bolshevism and contempt for our laws has made them all major crises.

The only reason Republicans have not reaped landslides in 2020 and 2022 is because Democrats have rigged the election machinery. And I've already cited abundant sources to back that up.
And by the way, when was the election... ? Tuesday.
What day is it now...? Saturday.
Do we have the election results yet...? NO.
The prosecution rests. It's (yet another) rigged election. The delays allow Democrats to see how far ahead the Republicans are, so they can manufacture and inject the amount of fake ballots needed to rig a narrow Democrat win.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by iggy
Cue more of my frofnity-laden insults and pointless antagonism, without a shred of fact to back up what I'm saying. Just unleashing vulgarity and insults at people I dissagree with, because I can't intellectually match them in the realm of debate and facts...


And by the way : "gauging" ? Spell much? Write english much?

The "Band of misfit morons" are the Democrats who to a man support Marxism (sometimes euphemistically branding it Socialism (but "The goal of socialism is communism" --Vladimir Lenin), the morons who screech "De-fund the police", the Democrat morons who support Black Lives Matter and Antifa, the morons who cheered on as BLM/Antifa burned and looted 575 cities in 2020, the Democrat morons who cheer on nightly attacks by Antifa on federal buildings and armed attacks on federal agents and ICE agents. The Democrat morons who release violent criminals with no-bail laws sso they can rape and kill more people. Except of course (the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi, the illegals bussed to Martha's Vinyard) when THEY are at risk, and then suddenly they want violent criminals in jail, and illegals deported. ONLY then. And mayors and city councils like those in Chicago and Los Angeles, that rail on de-funding the police, but then reserve 50 officers to protect themselves, hypocritically, obscenely, while the protection they took away from their constituents causes people to be raped and killed.

And about "wanting a civil war", I've heard no Republican voice that. Republicans are the rule off law side, who believe in our system and institutions, no matter how much the Democrats try to rig the political machinery.
It is the DEMOCRATS who want Socialism/Marxism, who undermine the rule of law, the party of crime, the party of illegal immigration and of circumnavigating and undermining border security, the DEMOCRATS who support the Bolshevik violence and intimidation of BLM and Antifa. Who tear down, burn and urinate on statues of our nation's founders, such is their hatred for our nation and Constitution. (NANCY PELOSI: "I don't care about statues...")
It is the DEMOCRATS who want to stack the Supreme court, and support protesters outside their homes 24/7 intimidating them and their families to prevent them from neuttrally ruling on cases.
It is the DEMOCRATS who are trying to federalize elections (H.R.1, S.B.1) to set up authoritarian one-party rule, where Republicans can not even challenge unfair elections or ask for election re-counts when there is question of rigged elections. Where the Democrat party permanently rigs the system, so they can never lose another election.


And by the way, moron, The top three issues of concern to voters are inflation (CAUSED by Democrats), rising crime (CAUSED by Democrats), and rising illegal immigration/lack of border security (CAUSED by Democrats). All of which were not even issues when Trump left office on Jan 20, 2021. Less than 2 years later, Democrat Bolshevism and contempt for ourr laws has made them all major crises.

The only reason Republicans have not reaped landslides in 2020 and 2022 is because Democrats have rigged the election machinery. And I've already cited abundant sources to back that up.
And by the way, when was the election... ? Tuesday.
What day is it now...? Saturday.
Do we have the election results yet...? NO.
The prosecution rests. It's (yet another) rigged election. The delays allow Democrats to see how far ahead the Republicans are, so they can manufacture and inject the amount of fake ballots needed to rig a narrow Democrat win.

"Frofinity" guy attacking others for using language above his grade level: A Snapshot of Why Wonder Loser Keeps Doubling Down on Losing
At least in my case it's just a typo I easily corrected.
Whereas you can't, and make up words like one of the illiterate chimps on an episode of Jerry Springer or Maury Povich.

I've cited the facts, that you can't dispute.
About the Bolshevik lawless nature of the Democrat party.
About the PROVEN consistent election rigging they use every election cycle.
About the Democrat/Left's worship of Marxists, and their clear, and not even hidden at this point, attempts to destroy our Constitutional republic, and replace it with an authoritarian Socialist/Marxist police state where they control every aspect of our lives.
I've cited the facts, that you can't dispute, but can only hate and lash out against, maliciously and impotently.

All you have are your tantrums and profanity-laden insults


Originally Posted by Iggy
cry panic Nyah nyah nyah, you're a poopy face, fuck you, fuck your mother, fascist, doofus, etc, etc. cry panic
There is a litany of solid takedowns for all those "facts" you cite. And, yes, I mean litany because you and your ilk refuse to believe anything that runs contrary to your narrative, you absolute worst of postmodernist tendencies. It has become boringly routine to prove how wrong you are. Your world is a delusion and everything that attempts to correct that for you is "propaganda" and "LIBERAL MEDIA." You've built your own loser prison, chump. Good luck rotting with the rest of the MAGA movement.
Originally Posted by iggy
There is a litany of solid takedowns for all those "facts" you cite. And, yes, I mean litany because you and your ilk refuse to believe anything that runs contrary to your narrative, you absolute worst of postmodernist tendencies. It has become boringly routine to prove how wrong you are. Your world is a delusion and everything that attempts to correct that for you is "propaganda" and "LIBERAL MEDIA." You've built your own loser prison, chump. Good luck rotting with the rest of the MAGA movement.

That's your standard line, a litany of takedowns, EXCEPT YOU NEVER CAN take them down.
Moron.

I cite chapter and verse sourced information from award-winning, in many cases Pulitzer winning journalists, and you go back and back to the infantile mantra of LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. RIGHT WING, EXTREMIST, INSURRECTIONIST, etc. etc.

i.e. ...

Originally Posted by Iggy
panic panic Nyah nyah nyah, you're a poopyface, fuck you, fuck your mother, asshat, doofus, etc. etc. panic panic

Point: You have NEVER proven me wrong, you just rant profanity and insult-laden (dare I say it?) SCREEDS, that bypass the sourced facts I present. Some of the most acclaimed journalists on the planet. Even more respected for having the integrity to walk away from high-paying 7 figure jobs at mainstream news agencies that have become propaganda networks, to preserve the integrity of their journalism. In Glenn Greenwald's case, a news agency that HE BUILT !

And I'm not "Ilk", YOU are ilk.
I'm a Reagan conservative who has been consistent in my beliefs through multiple presidents over the last 42 years.
You support the Occupy Wall Street chaos, and the Democrat craziness that keeps going further and further Bolshevik-revolutionary-Left, no doubt including the excrement after OWS that has become Antifa and BLM. You cite only partisan leftist propaganda media, and scorn and won't even look at the award-winning journalists I cite, who have proven their integrity, way beyond the Democrat propaganda you indoctrinate yourself to believe.

But hey, here I am reasoning with you, as if you were actually sane.
Dude, a simple google search proves you wrong, but you'll try to write-off any debunking as "lies." That's why no one bothers with you anymore. Even G-man seemed done trying to stand by you by the time he left. Facts don't care about your feelings. Remember that, crybaby?
Originally Posted by iggy
Dude, a simple google search proves you wrong, but you'll try to write-off any debunking as "lies." That's why no one bothers with you anymore. Even G-man seemed done trying to stand by you by the time he left. Facts don't care about your feelings. Remember that, crybaby?

A "simple search" that you assure us exists, but you can never provide.

Moron.

I provided the hundreds of sourced facts you ignore, because you are immune to facts, and processing that information would shatter your precious crazy leftist ideological bubble.

A simple glance at G-man's last dozen or so posts makes clear why he left. He had a death in his family and was busy as executor of the estate and probably funeral arrangements, at the same time his wife and daughters were slandered and weaponized against him here, and he said these boards have "become a very mean place". And you are the perfect example of that meanness and ugliness. In private messages he has let on that he was often busy with cases that took up his time, and he invited me and a few others to post on other more busy forums.
I don't know what happened to Pariah, he has often taken breaks for months, or even years, partly due to his military deployment overseas.
Others have stopped posting here for similar reasons, they get busier in their personal lives, or are posting on sites like Facebook and Twitter. I've dabbled in other sites, but in spite of the occasional interrupttion by jerks like you, I've always liked these boards.
A simple google search is easy to do, man who doesn't like his screaming into the inter-void on a dead forum interrupted.
You are a gullible rube, Wonder Doofus

translated from what the infants speak on Planet Iggy:

Originally Posted by Iggy
cry cry I lash out at you with personal insults, because I can't beat you in a rational discussion. cry cry
Ignore the link because you know Dinesh lied to you, but you can't be man enough to admit being duped.
Originally Posted by iggy
Ignore the link because you know Dinesh lied to you, but you can't be man enough to admit being duped.

Just a search list, filtered by ultra-leftist google of any sources they don't like. I'll indulge the top 5 on the list :

1) factcheck.org = Washington Post = far-left propaganda media, posing as a neutral factcheck. It's not.

2) Reuters = compromised Democrat zealot Trump-hating activist liberal reporters (see Sharyl Attkisson's lecture above)

3) Mlive.com = A clear Democrat/Left slant from some site in Michigan. Appears to be a liberal blog. (Michigan Live?)

4) NPR.org = BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! Obvious leftist propaganda source.

5) Politifact = far-left affiliated subsidiary of the Tampa Bay Times, another hyper-partisan Democrat/Left propaganda source, posing as a neutral factcheck site

And what the hell, one more...

6) Poynter.org = another source affiliated with the Tampa Bay Times, another liberal propaganda site


That's a pretty insular liberal bubble of sources, that Google doesn't venture outside of in their search list.

I was feeling frisky, so i looked ahead a few more pages in Google's search list. It wasn't until I got to PAGE 4 that I finally saw a single conservative review of 2000 Mules, from Heritage.org, followed by several more search pages of liberal-media-only sites.
https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/the-fraud-dare-not-speak-its-name

No Fox News, no Newsmax, no OAN, no Daily Caller, no Breitbart, no Townhall.com, no National Review, no Washington Times, no New York Post, no WSJ, nothing. Gee, you's almost think... Google''s search engine has no interest in providing a search list that allows you to see both sides, just one side that fits their far-left (I almost typo'd fart-left) indoctrinated point of view, the only side permitted.

Finally on PAGE 7 of Google's search list I saw one more from RedState.com, another conservative drop amid an ocean of liberal propaganda sources.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/05/10/fact-checking-the-fact-checkers-2000-mules-n561941
I thought you guys made fun of the red head about circling back, but here we are right back at you proving my point that everything that disagrees with you is lies and propaganda.
Originally Posted by iggy
I thought you guys made fun of the red head about circling back, but here we are right back at you proving my point that everything that disagrees with you is lies and propaganda.


it's well known that Google overwhelmingly is far-left liberal, donates heavily to the Democrats, and Project Veritas has multiple times caught employees talking about how they systematically rig the Google machinery to aid the Democrats, and crush access to information that would persuade voters to the Republican side. At both the executive level, and among Google's frontline employees. Likewise at Facebook, Twitter and Youtube.
FACT.

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/zach-vorhies-google/
https://www.projectveritas.com/news...ublic-says-burden-lifted-off-of-my-soul/
https://www.projectveritas.com/news...t-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/
https://www.projectveritas.com/news...nes-power-you-are-just-plain-and-simple/

And about 2 years before the 2020 election, I posted links to a researcher who showed the deliberate manipulation of algorithms by Google would suppress information in searchess that would supress Republican turnout by at least 6 million votes.
https://pjmedia.com/election/victor...-six-million-votes-to-joe-biden-n1170152

And here's another warning in a separate study from the Media Research Center:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/midte...t-republicans-media-research-center-says

But again, here I am speaking to you as if you were a reasonable person, interested in actual facts.
About 2 weeks ago, Tucker Carlson had a report where he released a large sampling of the security camera video from inside the Capitol building on January 6, 2021 during the peaceful protests, with just a handful of riots and vandalism.
AGAIN: Out of well over 100,000 protesters in Washington Square that day, only about 600 protesters who entered the Capitol buildign that day, only about 60 were involved in clashing with police or violence.
And of that 600, "at least 20" (as reported by RebelNews and American Greatness) were "un-indicted co-conspiratiors", as the FBI documents in their own investigation reports, FBI code for their own undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters. And another 20 were John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa Salt Lake City group, who openly boast in their videos that the will engaage in vandalism and violence that ACTUAL Trump supporters will be blamed for. And those videos are everywhere.
So... of the 60 engaged in vandalism and violence, at least 40 of the 60 were ***NOT**** Trump protesters, but people hostile to Trump supporters who were trying to frame Trump supporters and trick them into violence.
But it didn't work. The undercover FBI agents, the Antifa agents, the other fringe groups, were NOT Trump supporters, as is clear in the Antifa online videos, and the FBI's own reports.

The video released for 2 years (withheld by Democrats, because it disproved their false narrative) proves the Trump protesters inside were overwhelmingly peaceful, just wandered inside and took a few selfies, and left. For over 2 years, the amount of security video was estimated at about 14,000 hours of footage.
It turns out, the actual amount of footage is 41,000 hours. Withheld by Democrats, so they could front a deceitful narrative.
Only the House majority shifting to the Republicans after the Nov 2022 elections, seated in January 2023, broke that Democrat stranglehold on false narrative, and allowed the video evidence to now (at least partially) to finally be released, and provide evidence that the "Storming of the Capitol" narrative was a complete lie.

I notice that even Wikipedia has quietly re-titled their former "Storming of the Captiol" narrative listing. But still contans a lot of deliberate weasel-wording to try and prop up parts of the Democrat false narrative.

But regardless, the evidence disproves that narrative.
Even as Democrat-Bolshevik attorney general Merrick Garland prepares to arrest and torment another 1,200 innocent protesters, protesters who never even entered the capitol, just to try and prop up that collapsing false narrative of "dangerous domestic terrorist / white supremacist / insurrectionist Trump supporters".

https://rumble.com/v2c1hdo-tucker-carlson-tonight-3623-fox-breaking-news-march-6-2023.html

https://rumble.com/v2c5u3w-tucker-carlson-day-two-of-jan-6th-video-tape-release.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

https://www.conservapedia.com/J6_Capitol_protests
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Julie Kelly, reporter for American Greatness, who has covered the January 6th protests and investigation for the last 2 years, and how the Democrats and FBI / DOJ have hijacked it and distorted it as a political weapon against Republicans.

https://amgreatness.com/author/julie-kelly/
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And here's Rebel News, warning of the next wave of planned arrests of innocent January 6th protesters, just to prop up their dying narrative.
It is AG Merrick Garland, and those leading these purely political arrests inside the FBI and DOJ who should be the ones arrested and prosecuted. I hope at some point they will be.

https://www.rebelnews.com/doj_warns...onal_indictments_related_to_capitol_riot




Oddly, these massive DOJ / FBI arrests always seem to avoid the ACTUAL provocateurs of violence, such as Ray Epps.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/


But either way, the false narrative of the Democrat-Bolsheviks is blown and exposed.
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NEW YORK TIMES CONFIRMS REVOLVER'S CLAIM OF FBI INVOLVEMENT IN JANUARY 6th... BUT WHAT ARE THEY STILL HIDING?

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In mid June, Revolver News published a groundbreaking investigative report arguing that certain elements of the federal government not only had foreknowledge of the events of 1/6, but that some senior members of the major militia groups blamed for the so-called “insurrection” were actually federal informants or undercover operatives themselves.

Scarcely three months after this report, the New York Times took the occasion of a sleepy Saturday morning to quietly confirm that there were indeed FBI informants among those militia members who “stormed the Capitol.”

  • As scores of Proud Boys made their way, chanting and shouting, toward the Capitol on Jan. 6, one member of the far-right group was busy texting a real-time account of the march.

    The recipient was his F.B.I. handler.

    In the middle of an unfolding melee that shook a pillar of American democracy — the peaceful transfer of power — the bureau had an informant in the crowd, providing an inside glimpse of the action, according to confidential records obtained by The New York Times. [NYT]


We learn that this particular informant, affiliated with a Midwest chapter of the Proud Boys militia group, provided the FBI advance warning that he would be traveling to DC along with other Proud Boys. The informant also kept his FBI handler in the loop as the “storming of the Capitol” unfolded throughout the day on the 6th.The piece goes on to reference an “additional informant from another Proud Boys chapter that took part in the sacking of the Capitol.”

The confirmed existence of at least two (and likely many more) FBI informants who went into the Capitol strengthens the case for federal foreknowledge to such an extent that even the New York Times was compelled to acknowledge the following:

  • But the records, and information from two people familiar with the matter, suggest that federal law enforcement had a far greater visibility into the assault on the Capitol, even as it was taking place, than was previously known.


It is impossible to overstate the importance of whether this “far greater visibility” amounts to genuine foreknowledge regarding the events of 1/6, as the Times piece strongly suggests it does. We elaborated on the implications of federal foreknowledge of 1/6 in our initial report:

  • If it turns out that the federal government (FBI, Army Counterintelligence, or a similar agency) had undercover agents or confidential informants embedded in any of the groups involved in 1/6, the “federal intelligence agencies failing to warn of a potential for violence” looks less like an innocent mistake and more like something sinister.

    Indeed, if the federal government knew of a potential for violence in or around the Capitol on 1/6 and failed to call for heightened security, the agencies responsible may in fact be legally liable for the damages incurred during that day.

    It is unsettling to entertain the possibility that the federal government knew of a potential for violence on 1/6 and did nothing to stop it. It presents the question: why would agencies, or certain elements within, sit back and let something like this happen on purpose?

    Read More: Unindicted Co-Conspirators in 1/6 Cases Raise Disturbing Questions of Federal Foreknowledge



The notion that the FBI and possibly other agencies had foreknowledge of what was going to take place on 1/6 and did nothing to stop it, ostensibly for political reasons, is damning indeed. This is why the idea that 1/6 was the product of an “intelligence failure” has been such an important and carefully defended aspect of the Regime’s official narrative. In other words, it wasn’t that the intelligence agencies knew what might take place on 1/6 and did nothing to stop it—rather, the Capitol just happened to have uniquely poor security and mysterious multi-hour delays for back-up, all as a result of “intelligence failure,”—a failure of “visibility,” as it were.

We see a version of this “intelligence failure” narrative, for instance, in the conclusion of a five-month long bipartisan Senate investigation into the causes of 1/6:

  • A bipartisan Senate investigation of the deadly Jan. 6 insurrection found security and intelligence failures at every level of government that led to the breach of the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob as lawmakers in a joint session were certifying the 2020 election.

    The 95-page report, a product of a roughly five-month, joint probe by the Senate Homeland Security and Rules Committees, found significant breakdowns ranging “from federal intelligence agencies failing to warn of a potential for violence to a lack of planning and preparation by (U.S. Capitol Police) and law enforcement leadership.” [ABC]


Senator Amy Klobuchar cleverly affirmed the “intelligence failure” thesis even as she obliquely asked FBI Director Christopher Wray about the presence of informants in militia groups imputed to the 1/6 “insurrection.”
[video clip, Klobuchar and Wray ]


Note how Christopher Wray is able to uncomfortably weasel his way out of answering the question directly, partially because Klobuchar does him the courtesy of not asking him the question directly.

Klobuchar asks the FBI director if he wishes he had infiltrated the militia organizations allegedly involved in 1/6 — assuming from the outset that there was in fact no infiltration, thereby providing the FBI director an easy way to avoid addressing the question one way or another.

Now, as a result of the recent New York Times piece, we definitely know that the premise of Sen. Klobuchar’s non-question was false. We know for a fact that there were at least two FBI informants posturing as militiamen who stormed the Capitol, and probably many more. We know that said informants notified the FBI of the Proud Boys’ plans to go to DC in advance, were part of the Proud Boys’ group chats, were embedded inside Proud Boys crowds beginning at 10 a.m. that morning, and that at least one informant was giving his FBI handler real-time updates as the events of 1/6 developed — including from inside the Capitol this informant stormed.


[ much more at the linked article ]
https://www.revolver.news/2021/09/new-york-times-confirms-fbi-involvement-jan-6/

The bottom line:
The FBI had at least 8 "informants"/agents provacateur embedded just in the Proud Boys, stoking the protesters with violent rhetoric, and smashing windows and attacking police themselves, DISGUISED as Trump protesters, *NOT* actual Trump supporters. In truth FBI/Democrat agents THERE TO FRAME the ACTUAL Trump-supporter protesters.

So again: If the majority of the tiny group of "Trump protesters" who committed violence on Jan 6 2021 were FBI, Antifa and other non-Trump supporters, how the events of that day be fairly portrayed as Trump supporters, or blame Trump himself for violence done TO FRAME them? The evidence keeps piling up that it was not Trump supporters, and was in fact FBI agents, other police, QAntifa, and other groups framing Trump supporters.
The most recent report I saw on Laura Ingraham last night, shows that at least 40 in the crowd were (Democrat-zealot) FBI agents hidden among the January 6th protesters. Not even counting the Antifa and other groups there to frame Trump supporters that day.
(Julie Kelly interview, 32 minutes into clip)
https://rumble.com/v2ekci8-commerci...e-w-laura-ingraham-weeknights-10pm-.html

And even more ( also 32 minutes into this video clip) 13 DC Metro police, undercover disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd on Jan 6th :
https://rumble.com/v2gqqsi-the-ingraham-angle-4623-fox-breaking-news-april-6-2023.html

So... if the overwhelming majority of people stoking the mob and committing violence and vandalism that day were NOT actual Trump supporters, how can it be fairly blamed on Trump supporters?

You know the answer: It can't.

THE REAL STORY SHOULD BE: despite all the attempts by FBI, Antifa, etc. to incite a crowd of over 100,000 Trump supporters, PEACEFULLY showing their support for the Republican Senators and House members LEGALLY challenging the electoral count of an illegitimate 2020 U.S. presidential election, the thousands of Trump-supporter protesters remained overwhelmingly peaceful.
Which begs the question, why are these overwhelmingly peaceful protesters being arrested and detained in federal prison under terrible conditions, without trial and often unable to even communicate with attorneys? And why would attorney general Merrick Garland and his DOJ and FBI round up another 1,200 of them?
To prop up a false Democrat-Bolshevik narrative and pointlessly ruin more lives. That's why. The only reason.
‘At Least 40’ Undercover Informants Were Doing Surveillance On Jan. 6, Defense Lawyer Says

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Law enforcement agencies had at least 40 undercover informants engaging in surveillance work among defendants on Jan. 6, defendant Dominic Pezzola’s lawyer Roger Roots said Wednesday.

A Proud Boys member, Pezzola is currently standing federal trial in Washington, D.C. with the group’s former national chairman Enrique Tarrio and members Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl for allegedly conspiring to oppose the Jan. 2021 transfer of presidential power and related charges. The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.

At least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro Police (MPD) agents worked among Jan. 6 defendants that day, Roots said. He reported that federal prosecutors revealed information involving twelve of the officers on Friday. (RELATED: ‘Lash Out’: Peter Strzok Says GOP Criticism Of FBI Provokes ‘Violence’ Against Gov’t)

“Some of these undercover Metro officers marched with the Proud Boy march,” Roots said. “And some appear to have played roles of instigators, in that they are seen on body-worn videos chanting ‘Go! Go!,’ ‘Stop the Steal!,’ and ‘Whose house? Our house!’ on Jan. 6. Others generally followed demonstrators toward the Capitol.”

[ scanned images of entire written case pages ]

“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.

Roots asked the court to make the government “reveal all informants, undercover operatives and other confidential human sources relating to the events of January 6,” arguing that the HIS informants and their likely conduct could “almost certainly” help exonerate Pezzola. He said the defense would have been “much more aggressive” in the trial originally if they knew “the scope and scale” of Jan. 6 undercover government operations.

Roots had motioned Friday for permission to issue a subpoena for Jan. 6 rioter Ray Epps, who has been accused of being an FBI informant, though Epps and others have vehemently denied this. The attorney argued Epps “is being suspiciously protected from prosecution by the government,” and the Friday motion referenced Jan. 6 defendant William Pope‘s claims that undercover MPD officers were instigating the Jan. 6 crowd from within to storm the Capitol.

The government revealed to the defense on March 22 that a woman that Tarrio’s defense intended to call as a witness had been an FBI confidential human source from April 2021 to January 2023. Judge Timothy Kelly Kelly ruled March 27 that defense lawyers could not raise the woman’s FBI relationship in the trial, and Tarrio’s attorney Sabino Jauregui subsequently said he would not call her to testify, according to Lawfare’s Robert Parloff.


Those 8 known undercover FBI informants/agents, in just 2 weeks have been revealed to actually be "at least 40". And as in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, it is an army of undercover FBI agents, who vastly outnumber the accused Trump supporters on Jan 6th, agents who stoked violence with violent rhetoric among protesters on Jan 6th, who plotted any violence by the defendents on Jan 6th, provided the battle plan and materials for violent action, and in the 24 months after , even infiltrated as witnesses among the defendants and their defense lawyers, during the 2 years they have been going to trial for the crimes they were set up by FBI for !
It is a vast case of entrapment by FBI and DOJ. I'm beginning to see the entire FBI as an army of Peter Strzoks and James Comeys and Andrew McCabes and Kevin Clinesmiths. Weaponized to frame and destroy the American citizens they were hired to protect.
The Praetorian Guard of the Democrat-Bolshevik party.

AGAIN: Whose "insurrection" was this?
It appears to be overwhelmingly if not completely one created by the Democrat-weaponized FBI, and now DC Metro police, NOT actual Trump supporters.
The official DOJ, FBI and liberal media narrative continues to collapse, as the true facts are revealed.
Well, who am I to question someone whose role is to...let me check...oh, okay...try to undermine charges brought against his client?

rolleyes
Originally Posted by iggy
Well, who am I to question someone whose role is to...let me check...oh, okay...try to undermine charges brought against his client?

rolleyes

Regardless of what a January 6th defendant's lawyer says, it is clear that their client didn't premeditate and stoke the violence that day, the FBI and DC Metro police did, the FBI created the battle plan, the undercover FBI agents stoked the crowd and committed vandalism and violence that peaceful Trump supporters are blamed for.
CLEAR entrapment, and malicious prosecution, by the 97% Democrat-donating DOJ and FBI.
This is weaponization of DOJ/FBI and DC Metro police, to frame and eliminate their political opposition, by an army of Peter Strzoks and Michael Fanons.
So clear that all those people are still going to prison for falling for Cheeto's lies...
Originally Posted by iggy
So clear that all those people are still going to prison for falling for Cheeto's lies...

Onl;y if tried in a kangaroo court by a Democrat-Bolshevik judge, by a Democrat-Bolshevik jury, in a town that voted for Biden by over 92% (i.e., Washington DC, or surrounding districts).

The Michael Flynn trial was like this.
The Roger Stone trial was like this.
Even Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley, the two most respected attorneys in the country (and liberals) have criticized the open corrpution and unfairness of this.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
AGAIN: It has been PROVEN that the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop since Dec 2019, and verified the information on it by Feb or March 2020 at the latest (as sourced and reported by John Solomon, JustTheNews). So all the 51 intelligence officials who alleged the Hunter Biden laptop was "Russian disinformaton" are the liars, the election WAS rigged, irregardless of Fox's settlement with Dominion (a case they could have eventually won, but chose to settle).

AGAIN: It has ALSO been proven that the "Russia Dossier" during the 2016 election was false, that the only Russia collusion was by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, who paid millions to Russian agents for the disinformation in it to slander Trump, that even James Comey to Donald Trump on Jan 5 2017 said the Russia Dossier is "salacious and unverifiable". Another Democrat attempt to rig the 2016 election, just as they did in the 2020 and 2022 elections.

AGAIN: It is ALSO proven that the fraudulent Russia Dossier was used to file **FOUR** illegal FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page's phone and online communications, and by FBI surveillance authorized by that, being able to go "two contacts deep" on two layers of everyone Carter Page communicated with, and everyone in the second layer of contactswith him communicated with, to SPY ON THE ENTIRE TRUMP CAMPAIGN for 6 months up through the 2016 election. And then another 6 months of FBI/FISA surveillance on the inaugurated TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IN THE WHITE HOUSE !
Further, FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith was convicted of falsifying evidence about Carter Page (Page had been cooperating and sharing information for years with the CIA about the Russians, but Clinesmith changed a CIA document, to make the document say the exact opposite, in a falsified letter alleging that Carter Page had NOT cooperated and shared information with the CIA, when in the original unaltered letter it said Carter Page *DID* cooperate and stare information with the CIA, and therefore was a proven patriot and not a Russian collaborator. ) The Clinesmith-altered document was submitted to a FISA judge, to illegally obtain FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page, and through him to surveil the entire Trump campaign (6 months) and the Trump presidency (a second 6 months of FISA surveillance by the FBI). All of which was done by submitting false evidence for the FISA warrant to a FISA court judge. In an FBI Democrat-Bolshevik attempt to rig the 2016 election.

AGAIN: It is ALSO proven via the "Twitter Files" that Elon Musk and several journalists exposed, that FBI and other intelligence agencies KNEW the Hunter Biden laptop information was absolutely true (knew from Dec 2019 right up though the Nov 2020 election) , but used their power as Democrat-Bolsheviks to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop information that proved the Bidens were treasonously receiving millions of dollars for years from Russia, from Ukraine, from China, to compromise national security of the United States.
Former FBI executive James Baker (in Oct-Nov 2020 an executive for Twitter, but still a Democrat-Bolshevik spy in that position for the FBI) used his position to silence and suppress information from the New York Post that in every poll says 15% of Democrats, if they knew then what they know now, would **NOT** have voted in Nov 2020 for Joe Biden.

And just in the last few days...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...chief-blinken-triggered-letter-discredit

Morrell and Blinken are PROVEN, by Morrell's own admission, to have rigged the election. Just because the minor part where Dominion Voting Systems has managed to intimidate witnesses and prevent evidence from that portion of the 2020 election rigging from being fully proven, does NOT prove that the election wasn't rigged. Quite the contrary, there is abundant evidence it WAS rigged, on multiple fronts.

Despite the unhinged Democrat/leftist hatred of Iggy and millions of other Democrats who try to brainwash themselves otherwise.
The facts are right there in your face.
Period. The End.

So... all the stuff that was dismissed as wild "conspiracy theory", has been proven to be conspiracy FACT, with the evidence reported for all to see.

1) FBI knew the Hunter Biden laptop was NOT "Russian disinformation" (a laptop with e-mail conversations and evidence of Joe Biden and the entire Biden family having received millions in treasonous payments to sell out the United States, at present proven to have been at least 43 million dollars in payments from China, Russia, Ukraine, Rumania and other nations. Democrat-Bolsheviks in the FBI and DOJ buried the evidence that a Manchurian candidate Biden was guilty of treason, hid the evidence so he could win a rigged 2020 election.

2) Former FBI, CIA and NSA officials, who had moved on to executive positions at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media platforms, did the bidding of these federal agencies and their Democrat-Bolshevik masters, in suppressing social media discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop evidence, presented by the New York Post and other conservative media, from being spread and shared and discussed on social media, by falsely labelling it "Russian disinformation", information they knew to be true and accurate.
Just so a corrupt Democrat could replace Trump and become president.

3) Mike Morell and Anthony Blinkin conspired and led the plot to have 51 intelligence officials sign a false letter that further labelled the Hunter Biden laptop story as "Russian disinformation", that suppressed 15% of voters in 2020, who say if they knew about the evidence of the Hunter Biden laptop evidence, they would not have voted for Biden. And Trump would still be president.

Which is all clear authoritarian / Deep State abuse of federal power, that ALONE abundantly proves the 2020 election was rigged.

That's not even getting into the already abundantly discussed evidence of "multiple streams of election fraud" by Democrats in every battleground state in 2020.
Boxes of fake votes (ON VIDEO SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS) pulled out from under tables in Atlanta, and counted all night, AFTER the Republican vote observers were tricked into going home with a lie about a water main breaking, and onlt Democrats were present. And a security camera to catch it.

Votes counted ( on Security video, showing a Ryder truck pulling up to the Detroit vote counting center), again after Republican vote observers were tricked into going home, and Democrats brought in a massive truckload of secret bags of fraudulent ballots, and counted fake votes all night long.

Similarly in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Arizona vote counting centers, Democrats used Covid rules to push Republican observers out of the counting room, so they could rack up illegal fake votes for Biden, and manufacture a narrow "victory" for Biden in each of these states. All after 3AM, all after Republican vote observers were deceitfully pushed out. In each of these states, Donald Trump was winning the election up until 3AM, at which point Democrats crawled out of their dark holes and rigged the election.

And of course, Eric Coomer, vice president of security for Dominion Voting Systems: "Trump isn't going to win, I made fucking sure of that." Said on a zoom call with his Antifa brethren. Observed by an investigator who managed to infiltrate the Antifa zoom call.

Every employee of Dominion on their social media accounts identified as far left, supporters of Antifa (including Coomer himself !), and/or the Clinton Foundation, that they scrubbed evidence of from their personal social media pages AFTER thee 2020 election.
And by the oddest coincidence, Dominion shared office space with Soros-funded groups.
Multiple states, including Michigan, Vermont, Montana and Arizona all did investigations of Dominion voting machines, and found they were compromised and rigged.

Col. Phil Waldron and other cyber-security experts were contracted to investigate by the state of Texas, to determine whether Dominion machines were safe to use in Texas election. But when they each investigated, they were alarmed at how easy to hack and rig they were, and Texas followed their advice and did not use them.

All evidence that has come to light.
It can no longer be dismissed as MAGA fantasy. Beyond question, the 2020 election was rigged.
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Ex-CIA chief Morell says Anthony Blinken ‘triggered’ letter to discredit Hunter Biden laptop

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by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter, April 20, 2023



A former top CIA official who helped write and sign the infamous October 2020 Hunter Biden laptop letter baselessly claiming Russian involvement has testified a phone call with now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken “triggered” its creation.

Mike Morell, a former acting CIA director under President Barack Obama, said in a recent transcribed interview with congressional investigators that, before his Oct. 17 phone call with Blinken, he had no intention to write the Oct. 19 Hunter Biden laptop letter. He testified “yes” and “absolutely” when asked if the call with Blinken, who was then a top adviser for Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign, was what “triggered that intent in you.”

Morell also testified that one of the two reasons he helped put the letter together was to help Joe Biden defeat former President Donald Trump.

These revelations came in a letter obtained by the Washington Examiner that was sent to Blinken on Thursday by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The news comes one day after an IRS agent alleged that the Justice Department investigation into Hunter Biden has been infected by “politics” and “preferential treatment.”

The October 2020 laptop letter contributed to the baseless narrative that the Hunter Biden laptop stories were nothing but a product of Russian disinformation. This line was happily seized upon by Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign and spread by some of the laptop letter signers. Hunter Biden himself later tried to falsely claim the intelligence community concluded his laptop was some sort of Kremlin smear campaign.

Jordan and Turner told Blinken that Morell revealed the secretary of state had “played a role in the inception of this statement while serving as a Biden campaign advisor” and that “according to Morell, although your outreach was couched as simply gathering Morell’s reaction to the New York Post story, it set in motion the events that led to the issuance of the public statement.”

The congressmen wrote that, the same day of the Blinken-Morell call, Blinken “also emailed Morell an article” published in USA Today the same day that alleged the FBI was examining whether the Hunter Biden laptop was part of a “disinformation campaign.” Jordan and Turner told Blinken that “the very bottom of the email you sent to Morell included the signature block of Andrew Bates, then-director of rapid response for the Biden campaign.” Bates is now a deputy press secretary in the Biden White House.

oe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign quickly dismissed the laptop story as a Russian disinformation operation. After the New York Post published emails belonging to his son, Joe Biden called the story “garbage” and part of a “Russian plan” during an October 2020 debate with Trump.

Former senior CIA operations officer Marc Polymeropoulos said in 2020 that he and Morell helped put the letter together.

The congressional letter said Morell received a call from then-Biden campaign chairman Steve Ricchetti after the Oct. 22 presidential debate to thank him for writing the statement. Richetti is now a counselor to Joe Biden. Morell said, “Steve thanked me for putting the statement out.”

The phone call to Morell had come from Jeremy Bash, another Hunter Biden laptop letter signer, who then got Richetti on the line. Bash, a former chief of staff at the CIA and Pentagon, was picked by Joe Biden to be part of the president’s Intelligence Advisory Board last year. Bash himself had suggested on TV in October 2020 that the laptop story was “Russian disinformation.”

Joe Biden said during the October 2020 debate with Trump, “There are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what he’s accusing me of is a Russian plan. They have said this is, has all the — four, five former heads of the CIA. Both parties say what he’s saying is a bunch of garbage.”

He was referring to a Politico report about the letter in an article titled “Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say.” The title was a bit misleading because the letter never directly called the story Russian “disinformation.”

Although the October 2020 letter hedged a bit at various times, it did repeatedly contend there was Russian involvement with the laptop stories, arguing that “if we are right, this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election” and expressing “our view that the Russians are involved in the Hunter Biden email issue.” The letter claimed the laptop saga “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation” and that “our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.”

Another key letter signatory was Nick Shapiro, a former deputy chief of staff and senior adviser to Obama CIA Director John Brennan, who also signed the letter. Politico has said Shapiro provided them with the letter, and Shapiro said at the time, “The real power here ... is the number of former, working-level IC officers who want the American people to know that once again the Russians are interfering.”

Jordan and Turner said Morell "also explained that the Biden campaign helped to strategize about the public release of the statement.” Morell “testified that he sent an email telling Nick Shapiro … that the Biden campaign wanted the statement to go to a particular reporter at the Washington Post first and that he should send the statement to the campaign when he sent the letter to the reporter.”

Jordan originally sent letters to many of the 51 former intelligence officials in April last year, but those requests were largely ignored. He followed up with demands for information from a dozen of the ex-spy officials in February and March of this year.

Jordan and Turner told the signatories this year that the letter “falsely implied the New York Post’s reporting about Hunter Biden was the product of Russian disinformation.”

Morell also testified that there were “two intents” behind writing the laptop letter.

“One intent was to share our concern with the American people that the Russians were playing on this issue,” Morell said. “And, two, it was to help Vice President Biden.”

Jordan asked Morell, “You wanted to help the vice president why?” Morell replied, “Because I wanted him to win the election.”

Morell had hosted his Intelligence Matters podcast with CBS News since May 2018. The most recent episode is listed as March 29 this year. A source familiar said Morell’s House interview was on April 4. CBS News senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge tweeted Thursday that Morell no longer works for the outlet.

Konstantinos "Gus" Dimitrelos, a cyber forensics expert and former Secret Service agent, conducted an examination of the laptop for the Washington Examiner last year, concluding that “there is a 100% certainty that Robert Hunter Biden was the only person responsible for the activity on this hard drive and all of its stored data” and that “the hard drive is authentic.”


Feel free to tell me, precisely, what part of that DOESN'T qualify as evidence of election fraud.

And plently more evidence and witnesses, over the last 2 years.
"They asked and we kinda thought that at the time so we're kinda like 'ok.'"

Yeah, so much fraud...

::eye roll::
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Imploding MAGA World Turns to Civil War, secession

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MAGA world has gone into total meltdown after the U.S. Supreme Court dismissed a bizarre Trump-endorsed lawsuit on Friday seeking to overturn the results of the presidential election.

Many of the president’s staunchest supporters believed that the Supreme Court, with its Trump-appointed justices, would eventually come to the president’s rescue in his failing election fraud crusade.

But, with their hopes crushed on Friday, “Stop the Steal” protesters spilled into D.C. streets shouting, “Destroy the GOP” and calling fellow conservatives like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk “subversives.”

Some of the wackiest sycophants took to Twitter and alt right-friendly app Parler to call for civil war or secession—all because their guy lost.

“If the Supreme Court can’t save our republic, then where is the military?” former Fox News pundits and unofficial Trump “advisers” Diamond & Silk tweeted Friday evening. “Trying to overthrow the Government by exploiting a Pandemic, thus implementing rules that break our election laws, is unconstitutional. If the DOJ and the FBI can’t do their jobs, then where is the military? This is a Coup!”

Oh my!


Over two years later, we now know those "stop the steal" Capitol protesters were actually over 20 FBI agents (i.e., "unindicted co-conspirators" as they are labelled in the FBI's own January 6th investigative reports) disguised as Trump supporters, were undercover DC Metro police officers disguised as Trump supporters, and John Earle Sullivan and his Salt Lake City Antifa group disguised as Trump supporters, all there as agents provacateur to act violently and blame it on peaceful Trump supporters, and/or incite actual Trump supporters to follow them into violence.

Democrats, and Democrat-Bolshevik agents of the FBI, DOJ, the DC Metro police and other federal agencies, have created a false narrative, arrested and detained innocent and peaceful people, retired military, retired police officers, retired firemen, small business owners and other good people, and detained them indefinitely without lawyers or trial, in conditions worse than Al Quaida prisoners are forced to live in.

The FBI and other federal authorities have hidden the 14,000 hours of surveillance video that show the ACTUAL Trump supporters were overwhelmingly peaceful, including the "Quanon Shaman" Jacob Chansley, who was basically nothing more than a cosplayer, a peaceful protester who was hanging out in the Capitol with no less than 9 Capitol police officers around him, recorded on hours of security video. Jacob Chansley never clashed with police, or made the slightest move toward vandalism or violence.
Capitol police officers who, in fact, genially escorted Jacob Chansley into many corners of the Capitol where he otherwise never would have walked on his own (all captured on video surveillance).
Jacob Chansley, who was sentenced to 41 months in federal prison for... what exactly?
What did he do?
When Tucker Carlson exposed the video that exonerated him, Jacob Chansley was quietly released. For which Tucker Carlson was apparently fired by Fox News over, about 2 weeks later.
Fired for telling the truth, exposing the truth. That there WAS NO violent "insurrection".

It was the greatest scam since the Nazis' burning of the Reichstag in 1933.
With a similar result, of giving the Democrats absolute authoritarian power, that rang in the beginning of Biden's reign of terror, mass arrests, and the purge of conservative Republicans from federal agencies, and even from the U.S. military. A consolidation of authoritarian absolute power, and a lesson in intimidation for anyone who dissents, and dares to say publicly that the 2020 presidential election was rigged (and it was), intimidation of anyone who would challenges the election integrity and ask for an audit of the votes.
Intimidation of anyone (even House and Senate members) who would Constitutionally and legally challenge the electoral vote based on the obvious election irregularities.
Intimidation of anyone, even circuit judges and U S Supreme Court justices, who might challenge the integrity of the election. That they too can face fake charges and imprisonment.

And all the ACTUAL violent offenders on Jan 6 2021 at the Capitol, all the disguised FBI and police agents provacateur who openly moved away police barriers, who waved crowds into the Capitol Building where they otherwise would never have gone, who DID clash with police and smash windows to provoke others to follow them into the building (excepting peaceful Trump supporters who didn't follow, didn't take the bait).
All these provocateurs (caught on 14,000 hours of video surveillance footage) could be identified easily and prosecuted, but clearly FBI and DOJ don't want to identify them (for example, Ray Epps), don't want to arrest or prosecute them, only want to prosecute the peaceful Trump supporters they set up and turned into patsies.

And after 2 unwarranted years in prison, in the worst conditions, under the weight of smothering falsified charges that are bankrupting them, charges by a Kafka-esque partisan FBI out to destroy them, that have cost them their businesses and jobs and caused their homes to be foreclosed, and could keep them in jail for another 20 years or more, many have under duress signed FBI-drafted plea bargains and admitted to "guilt" of made-up charges, just to end their ordeal.
Some of them have even committed suicide.
Watch the 1-hour documentary "America's Shame" that runs frequently on Newsmax, to see many of them and their lawyers explain their ordeal, and what the weaponized FBI is doing to them. Making an example of them, to intimidate and silence other conservatives from peacefully protesting and expressing political dissent. Just shut up and obey. Or else.
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A 23 year veteran (now-retired) Capitol police officer gives an insider's view of what happened when he worked policing the crowds on January 6 2021, and the violations of protocol that happened throughout the day, as if those in charge deliberately orchestrated the situation for chaos and violence to occur.

Former Capitol Police Officer Speaks Out About Jan. 6 Protest - The Daily Signal


Riots occurred, what little there was, because Democrats in the Senate, House, Washington DC government and police, and Capitol police, WANTED it to occur, to fit their narrative of "dangerous violent insurrectionist white racist Trump supporters."

Just as it did in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017, enabled by a Democrat mayor, an all-Democrat city council, a Democrat-led police force, and a Democrat governor, who similarly wanted police to pull back and let the two sides go at each other, let violence occur, so they could accuse Trump and his supporters of being "dangerous white supremacist violent insurrectionists". Charlottesville was a dress rehearsal for what Democrats orchestrated on January 6th, obstructing deployment of the 20,000 national guard that Trump ordered well in advance, not backing up Capitol police, to allow rioting and vandalism to happen (just enough to manufacture a Democrat "dangerous Trump supporter violence" narrative for January 6th).

As was the FBI-manufactured Gov. Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot narrative. Where, as I recall, 10 of the 14 involved in the plot were FBI agents or informants, including an FBI agent who drafted the kidnapping plan, and another FBI agent who provided the van to be used in the kidnapping. It was entrapment. And the FBI supervisor who orchestrated that sting, when he should have been fired, was then re-assigned to Washington DC to oversee security on January 6th. To oversee manufature of a similar fake narrative.

And with the further addition of "at least 20" FBI agents disguised as Trump supporters (documented in FBI's own Jan 6 investigative reports).
And 10 DC Metro police officers ALSO disguised as Trump supporters.
And a further 20 or so Antifa Salt Lake City members led by John Earle Sullivan, ALSO disguised as Trump supporters, all trying to provoke vandalism and violence and get the Trump supporter crowd blamed for it.
NONE of these 50 false flag infiltrators were actual Trump supporters.

So again: Of 600 protesters who went inside the Capitol on Jan 6th (in many cases tricked to go inside by some of these government agents, disguised as police officers, who removed the surrounding police barricades and waved them in) only about 60 who went inside and committed vandalism or violence. And of that 60, at least 50 of them were false-flag government agent provacateurs, who TRICKED peaceful Trump protesters to go inside.

FBI also set up a GPS fencing screen to identify everyone who went in or near the Capitol[/b] so they could identify them by their cel phone location signal and arrest them later, and allege they were violent insurrectionists, even though in truth virtually all of them never saw any barricades, and even if they were met by officers insside the Capitol, were not commanded to leave, who timidly walked inside, basically on a sightseeing tour, staying inside the tour-guide velvet ropes even, and just took a few selfies and left the Capitol.

Of the 60 alleged rioting and violence incidents, 50 of the 60 were not even Trump supporters.
And once Merrick Garland became Attorney General, he expanded the arrests to all 600 who entered the building, and then another 700 who were near the Capitol, or in any communication with those who went inside. Ultimately arresting a total of 1,300 Trump supporters, many of whom are still in jail in awful unsanitary conditions, indefinitely and without trial.
And Merric Garland wants to arrest 1,200 more, who were never even inside the Capitol !

This above Capitol officer's testimony just further supports that this was highly irregular, all orchestrated by the Democrats and Deep State agents in law enforcement, for a sinister purpose. This was entrapment, to create a narrative, and even though not a lot of Trump supporters joined in, they snagged enough Trump protesters in their FBI false flag operation to create the desired narrative for the Biden, DNC and FBI's purposes. But that false narrative slowly unravels a little every month that goes by.
That's s a whole lot of nothing but unproved cope. Cope harder.
Originally Posted by iggy
That's s a whole lot of nothing but unproved cope. Cope harder.


That is a commanding officer in the Capitol police, with 23 years of experience, who was in a command position during the Jan 6 2021 Capitol protests, and an intimate knowledge of Capitol police procedure, during many protests and riots, over many years.
AND he was a Biden/Harris voter, and not a Republican or Trump supporter.
He describes with great personal knowledge about normal police procedures, and about the irregularities that he witnessed on January 6th.

YOUR POST is "a whole lot of nothing." Cultist. Dipshit.
He voted Trump in 2016 and got suspended for wearing a MAGA hat. He's also one person. Tickle unintrigued.
Originally Posted by iggy
He voted Trump in 2016 and got suspended for wearing a MAGA hat. He's also one person. Tickle unintrigued.

None of that even makes lucid sense.
Dipshit.
The Capitol PD officer voted Trump in 2016, hoser. He got suspended from the force for wearing a MAGA hat. Surely, he has no axe to grind...

::eye roll::
Originally Posted by iggy
The Capitol PD officer voted Trump in 2016, hoser. He got suspended from the force for wearing a MAGA hat. Surely, he has no axe to grind...

::eye roll::


Uh...

Capitol Police Officer in MAGA Hat Saves Cops From Rioters

The Capitol Police officer in a MAGA hat. What’s the real story?

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Tarik Khalid Johnson is a Capitol police lieutenant who was suspended after putting on a red MAGA hat, but a video shows him convincing Trump supporters to help him save multiple police officers from inside the Capitol building. You can watch the video later in this story.

A report in the Wall Street Journal says Johnson donned the MAGA hat only to trick rioters into letting him usher other officers to safety.

According to the newspaper, Johnson told colleagues the MAGA hat “was a ruse that was part of an unusual plan to rescue more than a dozen trapped police officers.” A witness told the newspaper that Johnson’s actions led to a key door being shut, preventing more rioters from entering the building.
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....he described this in the video, pretending to be sympathetic to protesters who outnumbered him, to get himself and others past them.

In your hysteric desperation to attack him, you overlooked this fact right in front of you.

Dipshit.
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And...

https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/exclusive-former-capitol-police-officer

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Former Capitol Police officer Tarik Johnson, who was suspended for donning a MAGA hat during the January 6 Capitol riot, made headlines when he told his story to Tucker Carlson on Fox News. But according to Johnson, he had decided to leave few details out of the interview. Now, he joins Glenn to tell the rest of the story, and it all revolves around former acting Capitol Police Chief Yogananda Pittman. Johnson lays out why he believes Pittman, who at the time oversaw intelligence for the Capitol Police, must have held back evidence from then-Chief Steven Sund — only to be rewarded with a high-paying job in Nancy Pelosi's district. “January 6 cannot happen without her permission,” Johnson argues. Plus, he explains why the Capitol Police has a big issue with whistleblower protection and why he believes another investigation is needed.
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FBI lost count of how many paid informants were at Capitol on Jan. 6, and later performed audit to figure out exact number, said ex-official

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by Miranda Devine, VIEW AUTHOR ARCHIVE
Published Sep. 19, 2023,

The FBI had so many paid informants at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, that it lost track of the number and had to perform a later audit to determine exactly how many “Confidential Human Sources” run by different FBI field offices were present that day, a former assistant director of the bureau has told lawmakers.

At least one informant was communicating with his FBI handler as he entered the Capitol, according to Steven D’Antuono, formerly in charge of the bureau’s Washington field office.

D’Antuono has testified behind closed doors to the House Judiciary Committee that his office was aware before the riot that some of their informants would attend a “Stop the Steal” rally thrown by former President Donald Trump, but he only learned after the fact that informants run by other field offices also were present, along with others who had participated of their own accord.

The Washington field office had to ask FBI headquarters “to do a poll or put out something to people saying w[ere] any CHSs involved,” he said, so they could get a handle on the scale of the FBI’s spying operations at the Capitol that day.

“We started getting responses back” from FBI headquarters, added D’Antuono, which helped identify which field offices had planted confidential informants in the crowd.

One paid informant from the Kansas City field office was at the Capitol as the crowd surged inside and allegedly was in communication with his FBI handler “while they were in the crowd, I think, saying that they were going in,” according to the former bureau brass.

“They were trying to stop some of the action happening and they left or whatnot.”

Asked how many informants the audit discovered were in the crowd that day, D’Antuono would only say “a handful.”

The FBI spends an average of $42 million each year in payments to its Confidential Human Sources, according to the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General, which has raised concerns about the vetting process for these paid informants.

In a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday, Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) described D’Antuono’s testimony as “extremely concerning.”

It suggests that “the FBI cannot adequately track the activities and operations of its informants, and that it lost control of its CHSs present at the Capitol on January 6,” he wrote.

“These revelations reinforce existing concerns, identified by Special Counsel [John] Durham, about the FBI’s use of, and payment to, CHSs who have fabricated evidence and misrepresented information.

“The Justice Department Inspector General also identified critical problems in the FBI’s CHS program,” Jordan added, “including the FBI’s failure to fully vet CHSs and the FBI’s willingness to ignore red flags that would call into question an informant’s reliability.”

Jordan has asked Wray to provide a “substantive briefing” on how the FBI used paid informants on Jan. 6, 2021, and “any specific guidelines or admonishments that were provided to FBI CHSs prior to deploying.”

Wray has also been asked to provide all debriefing documents received from Capitol riot informants.

Jordan also wants source reporting documentation relating to former British spy Christopher Steele, who was responsible for a now-notorious “dossier of false allegations about the Trump-Russia hoax.”

The number of FBI informants present during the Capitol riot has long been a controversial topic at trials of the hundreds of defendants apprehended since that day.

Defense lawyers at the trial of five “Proud Boys” recently asserted that the FBI had as many as eight informants spying on the organization and that at least one was with them at the Capitol that day.
Former Capitol Hill Police Chief Steven Sund has said that, in addition to the paid informants, the FBI had at least 18 undercover agents in the crowd plus an estimated 20 from the Department of Homeland Security.


Up till now RebelNews and American Greatness, and RevolverNews had confirmed from the FBI's own investigative reports there were "at least 20" FBI agents in the crowd disguised as Trump supporters.
Plus another 20 or so Antifa disguised as Trump supporters, led by John Earle Sullivan, and extensively evidenced on the internet in their own videos.
Plus another 10 undercover DC Metro police officers disguised as Trump supporters, that they admitted to (and I linked) a few months ago.

And now the FBI is admitting that they "can't even count" how many FBI fake protesters disguised as Trump supporters were there that day.
And "an estimated 20 from the Department of Homeland Security." Plus whatever else they admit to in the future when forced by further evidence revealed.

So... are these still "MAGA civil war fantasies"... if they're now proven to be TRUE ?!?

I predicted two years ago the truth would come out, and it has.
And this isn't even the full extent of authoritarian deep state war on Trump supporters, just what we know so far, with more to come.

Keep in mind also that the Democrat-Bolshevik "select committee on January 6th" has already shredded 40% of their own Bolshevik narrative.
Because they know it is false, and if it still existed, it would be exposed and vindicate Trump, vindicate Trump's indicted cabinet members, and vindicate the 1,300 or so mostly innocent people who have been jailed , prosecuted and intimidated into plea deals for crimes they did not commit. Persecuted for almost 3 years, FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, other than to prop up a Democrat narrative and Bolshevik power grab.
If not shredded, a year or so from now the Democrats' own records would be used to prosecute them, therefore the Democrat-Bolsheviks had to shred them.
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And in other news...

RAY EPPS TO PLEA GUILTY TO JANUARY 6th ROLE AT CAPITOL



No doubt a sweetheart plea deal, akin to the attempted Hunter Biden plea deal.
Especially relative to the 22 year sentence given to the black Cuban "white supremacist" head of the Proud Boys was given a few weeks ago, who wasn't even at the Capitol to commit any crimes that day.
Nope, nothing disproportionate about that contrast between the two, no sir !

This article on the same events gives court prosecution statements and some self-congratulating FBI statements...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/...n-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges

...but it still gives no specifics of what Tarrio or other Proud Boys actually did to warrant such a sentence.
And glosses over that the FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism Jill Sanborn who did the investigation, admitted to Senator Ted Cruz and others that NOT ONE FIREARM WAS EVER CONFISCATED ANYWHERE IN WASHINGTON SQUARE ON JAN 6th.
NOT ONE !

So... how do you have an "insurrection" and "use of force against their own government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power", when the accused didn't even have any weapons?

And meanwhile (to give just one example) the two Antifa lawyers who threw a Molotov Cocktail into a police car in May 2020 completely destroyed it , and were only unsuccessful in trying to burn 2 police officers inside to death, only got a few months of probation, and didn't even get their law degrees taken away.
Yeah, that's fair...
rolleyes

About 80 percent of Antifa and BLM violent insurrectionists nationwide from during the 2020 George Floyd riots were set free by DOJ and FBI with no charges, NONE

But every last one of the 1,300 trespassing grandmas and peaceful protesters taking selfies and casually walking through or even near the Capitol (only 600 went inside, only about 60 were involved in either violence or vandalism) were aggressively prosecuted with disproportionate severe sentences, forcing most of them to take unfair plea deals just to end their unlawful incarceration without trial.

This is your FBI, DOJ and Biden administration, drunk on power.
Here’s the timeline of events on that Jan 6…
Jan 6 Insurrection: Minute by minute

It took Trump over an hour to tell his “special people” to go home after someone was shot and killed.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Here’s the timeline of events on that Jan 6…
Jan 6 Insurrection: Minute by minute

It took Trump over an hour to tell his “special people” to go home after someone was shot and killed.

CNN... rolleyes That's like linking a DNC propaganda press release. CNN is rabidly anti-Trump and pro-Democrat.

It is a FACT that ahead of Jan 6 2021, Trump signed an order for 20,000 National Guard troops, to insure that events that day would be unquestionably secure. But Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and DC mayor Muriel Bowser undermined and prevented that deployment of National Guard security. I think because they WANTED violence, that would feed into their chosen Democrat false narrative. A narrative of "dangerous violent white supremacist Trump supporters".
Orchestrating the Jan 6th protests to follow the same trajectory as how a Democrat Virginia governor, a Democrat mayor, and a Democrat city council in Charlottesville had police stand down, so police ceased to keep the to protest sides separated, and let the two sides clash in Charlottesville in September 2017.
And that Democrat false narrative ignored that about 3,000 protesters were not white supremacists but just police and military veterans, who protested only to keep the Robert E. Lee statue, who were for "preserving heritage, not hate" (the same position as Bill and Hillary Clinton on Confederate heritage, while Clinton was president). And these 3,000 pro-statue protesters were equally opposed to the 200-300 white supremacists when they showed up to hijack the event for their own publicity agenda. The 3,000 told the 300 supremacists to leave, did not want the supremacists to march with them.
And Donald Trump later when he said "There are good people on both sides, was referring to the 3,000, and said he condemned the 300 white supremacists, saying "No not those people, they're a disgrace, there's no excuse for them." But of course, liberal media edited the clip to make it sound like Trump was including the white supremacists in the "good people on both sides" comment. TRUMP ABSOLUTELY WAS NOT.
Greg Kelly on Newsmax frequently re-plays the full video clip of Trump, showing what Trump ACTUALLY said, vs. the Democrat false narrative of it.

It is a FACT that on January 6th, Trump in his speech on the White House lawn (from 12 noon to 1:11 PM) urged his supporters to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the Republican House and Senate members inside the Capitol, who were LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONALLY challenging the electoral results, and pushign for delay of final count of the electoral votes until states could confirm each disputed state's 2020 election integrity, and debate the issue for 2 weeks of so in House/Senate joint-session hearings, presenting evidence to the nation in a way that the 80%-plus liberal media could not omit or suppress.

It is a FACT that Trump, after concluding his speech at 1:11 PM, throughout the afternoon, every 20 minutes or so, texted social media messages continuously, urging his supporters around the Capitol to "Remain peaceful!"

So when you say it took Trump "over an hour" to tell supporters to go home, THAT IS A LIE, that deceitfully bypasses all the above facts.

And also bypasses that there were "well over 100,000" Trump supporters present in Washington DC that day, that only about 600 in any way went inside the Capitol building, and of those who went inside, NOT necessarily all Trump supporters, and arguably most offenders were NOT Trump supporters at all.
Only 60 were caught on video committing any violence or vandalism.

There were "at least 20" (according to the FBI's own Jan 6th investigative reports), undercover FBI agents, DISGUISED as Trump supporters.
DHS has admitted there were 20 DHS undercover agents in the crowd that day, DISGUISED as Trump supporters.
DC Metro Police have admitted there were 10 of their officers there that day, DISGUISED as Trump supporters.
Antifa from Salt Lake City, in all their posted videos, had about 20 of their group there, DISGUISED as Trump supporters.

What are the odds that of the 60 offenders that day, the majority of crimes that day came from these rabidly anti-Trump groups hidden in the crowd, and not Trump supporters?
Both FBI director Christopher Wray, and FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism Jill Sanborn, UNDER OATH in Senate hearings refused to answer questions of what FBI undercover agents there were doing that day, whether they incited the crowd, whether they committed acts of violence or vandalism themselves.
And these are just the undercover agents these agencies HAVE ADMITTED TO having there on Jan 6th.

Add to that, the FBI thug supervisor who manufactured the fake Governor Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping in Michigan, where 12 of the 15 involved in the plot were FBI undercover agents, including the one who created the kidnapping plan, and the one who was to provide the van for the kidnapping.
And instead of being fired or demoted, this FBI supervisor's next assignment was... supervision and security of the January 6th protests. A guy who, by the way, is a Democrat and despises Trump.

Just a little context provided, for your joke CNN link.
I just went through the CNN timeline, and it is loaded with partisan assumptive language, and selectively omits the exculpatory facts I just outlined.

Further, M E M, you lyingly imply that the 5 who died that day were either killed by Trump supporters, or that Trump supporters were somehow responsible for their deaths.

Ashlee Babbitt, who was unarmed and no threat to anyone, was shot and killed by DC Metro Leiutenant Byrd, for no reason.

Officer Brian Swicknick died NOT on the scene, but cvollaapsed about 6 hours later while laughing and joking with other police officers back at the police station, and was rushed to the hospital. He died about a day later, and his autopsy showed his cause of death to be a stroke, with no concussion, no bear spray, no pepper spray in his system (the prevailing lying Democrat media narratives of his death).

Even Wikipedia acknowledges this much :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

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Ashli Babbitt, an unarmed 35-year-old Air Force veteran, was fatally shot in the upper chest by Lt. Michael Leroy Byrd while attempting to climb through the shattered window of a barricaded door.[472]

Brian Sicknick, a 42-year-old responding Capitol Police officer, was pepper-sprayed during the attack and had two thromboembolic strokes the next day,[473][474] after which he was placed on life support[8] and soon died.[475][476] The D.C. chief medical examiner found he died from a stroke, classifying his death as natural,[477] and commenting that "all that transpired played a role in his condition".[478][479]

Rosanne Boyland, 34, died of an amphetamine overdose during the attack rather than, as was initially reported, from being trampled by other rioters after her collapse,[480] ruled accidental by the D.C. medical examiner's office.[24]
Her mother, Cheryl Boyland, told NBC News, "She was not doing drugs. The only thing they found was her own prescription medicine."[481]

Kevin Greeson, 55; and Benjamin Philips, 50, died naturally from coronary heart disease and hypertensive heart disease, respectively.[24]


The last two had previous medical treatment for the conditions they died from.
But I've seen interviews of muliple people in the crowd alongside the latter three, who were OUTSIDE the Capitol the whole time, who said they were just standing there protesting peacefully when Capitol police fired concussion grenades at them for no reason, and fired them over and over multiple times at them.
And state that repeated trauma could have killed them in their already fragile condition, that is not discussed in liberal media and swept under the rug as "natural causes".

Further investigation is pushed for, and resisted by Capitol and Metro police, and by Democrat officials.
It was not an "insurrection", it was not a "storming", it was not even in this edited Wikipedia version, an "attack", it was a riot by a small group of people, there were no seizures of buildings or offices or radio stations or military or police facilities. It was just a riot. Jill Sanborn grudgingly admitted in Senate hearings testimony that there was NOT ONE FIREARM seized that day in all of Washington square by law enforcement or FBI. How do you have an "insurrection" or "storming" or "attack" without any guns?
The narrative that House or Senate members or VP Pence's lives were at risk is total B.S., there were inadequate police present in the Capitol that day, if rioters (Trump supporters, or false flag undercover FBI) wanted to kill anyone or take hostages, there was no one to stop protesters from doing so. It is another lie.

And there are many other ACTUAL more violent and more prolonged attacks on the Capitol in the last 100 years, with guns, than this exaggerated false flag Democrat burning-of the-Reichstag moment. Greg Kelly on his Newsmax program frequently runs through the historical list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_legislatures
Glad it’s the courts deciding what’s bs. I sat through the horror of Jan 6 and what followed. Trump could have sent the mob home much earlier and he didn’t. He made other calls while law enforcement was being beaten and sprayed with bear spray.
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DHS created a "disinformation group" at Stanford, to shut down free speech and the press before 2020 election

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Officials at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assisted in the creation of a "disinformation" group at Stanford University that worked to "censor" the speech of Americans prior to the 2020 presidential election, according to a number of communications outlined in a report by the House Judiciary Committee.

Detailed in the House panel’s 103-page staff interim report, the emails and internal communications showed how the group, identified as the Election Integrity Partnership (EIP), worked with DHS’ Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) to alert, suppress and remove certain online speech in coordination with big tech companies.

One such email – sent July 31, 2020, by a top director at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, an EIP partner – described the CISA's role in the censorship effort.

"I know the Council has a number of efforts on broad policy around the elections, but we just set up an election integrity partnership at the request of DHS/CISA and are in weekly comms to debrief about disinfo," wrote Graham Brookie, the lab’s senior director.

According to the report, which Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, highlighted in a post to X, the communications showed how "the federal government and universities pressured social media companies to censor true information, jokes, and political opinions."

"This pressure was largely directed in a way that benefitted one side of the political aisle: true information posted by Republicans and conservatives was labeled as 'misinformation' while false information posted by Democrats and liberals was largely unreported and untouched by the censors," the report noted. "The pseudoscience of disinformation is now – and has always been – nothing more than a political ruse most frequently targeted at communities and individuals holding views contrary to the prevailing narratives."

Along with countless Americans, certain right-leaning media outlets, and conservative commentators whose views were censored, the report also noted that prominent figures like then-President Donald Trump, North Carolina GOP Sen. Thom Tillis, Georgia GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Kentucky GOP Rep. Thomas Massie had their social media postings marked as "misinformation."

Other posts from former politicians, including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, were also flagged by the groups as "misinformation," according to the report.

The report went on to note that under the influence of CISA’s Countering Foreign Influence Task Force, the federal government's effort was to "censor Americans engaged in core political speech in the lead up to the 2020 election."

DHS noted in May 2020, according to the report, that it could not "openly endorse" a type of system to flag misinformation. Stanford’s EIP took up the effort two months later, in July 2020.

"According to the internal notes of a call between Facebook employees and DHS personnel regarding a ‘Misinformation Reporting Portal,’ ‘DHS cannot openly endorse the portal, but has behind-the-scenes signaled that [the National Association of Secretaries of State]/[the National Association of State Election Directors] has told them it would be easier for many states to have ‘one reporting channel’ and CISA and its ISAC would like to have incoming the same time that the platforms do.’ Less than two months later, the EIP would be established to serve that very purpose," the report noted.

The CISA’s Countering Foreign Influence Task Force used a process known as "switchboarding," described in the report as the "federal government’s practice of referring requests for the removal of content on social media from state and local election officials to the relevant platforms."

"Brian Scully, testified during his deposition in Missouri v. Biden that switchboarding was ‘CISA’s role in forwarding reporting received from election officials … to social media platforms,’ the report stated.

One past email from Scully that was featured in the report informed members of the Colorado Secretary of State's office that he had alerted parody accounts to Twitter. Another one made it known that he had requested for Facebook to remove a post about the election that had been deemed misinformation.

A disclaimer featured on several of the CISA emails noted that its requests were "voluntary" and that the agency "neither has nor seeks the ability to remove what information is made available on social media platforms."

The Judiciary staff report also noted that students at Stanford worked simultaneously at the CISA and EIP.

"Not only were there a number of university students involved with the EIP, at least four of the students were employed by CISA during the operation of EIP, using their government email accounts to communicate with CISA officials and other ‘external stakeholders’ involved with the EIP," the report said.

In a statement to Fox News Digital, CISA Executive Director Brandon Wales said the agency "does not and has never censored speech or facilitated censorship."

"Every day, the men and women of CISA execute the agency’s mission of reducing risk to U.S. critical infrastructure in a way that protects Americans’ freedom of speech, civil rights, civil liberties, and privacy," Wales said.

"In response to concerns from election officials of all parties regarding foreign influence operations and disinformation that may impact the security of election infrastructure, CISA mitigates the risk of disinformation by sharing information on election literacy and election security with the public and by amplifying the trusted voices of election officials across the nation," he added.

EIP was described in the report as a "consortium of ‘disinformation’ academics led by Stanford University’s Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO) that worked directly with the Department of Homeland Security and the Global Engagement Center, a multi-agency entity housed within the State Department, to monitor and censor Americans’ online speech in advance of the 2020 presidential election."

George Orwell's DHS and CISA.
Under the front of 'stopping disinformation', these federal agencies blocked FACTUAL information and Republican free speech, in order to spread disinformation, that deceitfully aided the election of Joe Biden in 2020.

Add this to the fake letter of 51 "intelligence officials" orchestrated by Anthony Blinkin, condemning the Hunter Biden laptop story as "Russian Disinformation" by Miranda Devine and the New York Post, and blocking the Post story from being seen or shared on social media.

Add that to the "2000 Mules" stuffing fake ballots in drop boxes nationwide.

And to the "Twitter Files" exposed by Elon Musk and selected reporters, also exposing agents of FBI, CIA and other agents using private-industry.

Add to that the fake water-main break in the Atlanta election center, and in Detroit vote counting center, and centers in other [Democrat-controlled] battleground cities, and in all these cities, similarly sending Republican vote observers home, so Democrats could cheat all night and rig the election for Biden.

And the Dominion Voting machines, whose rabid leftist Antifa-member vice president of Tech Seecurity said "Trump isn't going to win, I made fucking sure of that."
Flipping thousands of votes with a few clicks on Dominion systems, as proven in previously linked investigations here, of Dominion machines in Atlanta, in Michigan, in New Hampshire, in Montana, in Maricopa county , Arizona, and others.

The question at this point isn't if the 2020 election was rigged, but HOW MANY DIFFERENT WAYS it was rigged.
By grass roots Democrats, election officials, party Democrats, contract tech companies, federal agencies, and foreign governments like Russia, China and Iran.


Multiple streams of election fraud. Now that's been abundantly proven, even as more whistleblowers and evidence continues to surface.
FACT.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Glad it’s the courts deciding what’s bs. I sat through the horror of Jan 6 and what followed. Trump could have sent the mob home much earlier and he didn’t. He made other calls while law enforcement was being beaten and sprayed with bear spray.

As I factually cited about a billion times,

1) Trump gave a speech on Jan 6th from 12 noon till 1:11 PM, where he specifically instructed his supporters to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for the Republican Senate and House members LEGALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY challenging the election irregularities through prescribed legal procedure inside the Capitol.
The first breachers of the Capitol began at 12:40 PM, while the ACTUAL Trump supporters were still listening to Trump's speech until 1:11 PM, and took another 40 minutes or so to walk from where Trump spoke on the White House lawn, over to the Capitol.

2) Days in advance of Jan 6th, President Trump specifically ordered up to 20,000 U.S. National Guard troops be positioned there on Jan 6th, that Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and DC mayor Muriel Bowser maliciously obstructed from being deployed.

3) Trump posted roughly every 20 minutes on social media on Jan 6th following his speech, urging his supporters to "remain peaceful", and when rioters (whether Trump supporters, or more obviously, false flag agents provocateur ). And within about an hour of knowing the Capitol was breached, Trump prepared and posted a compassionate but strongly worded brief video statement, that he understood his supporters' frustration, agreed with their sentiments, but that they needed to go home. Which to the astonishment of police and undercover professional DC crowd observers, they immediately did.

4) The event was so "horrible" that NOT ONE FIREARM ws found by FBI or police that day in all of Washington Square. And there have been two other protest breeches of the Capitol since the Jan 6th protests (Democrat protesters to the Brett Kavanaugh U S S C nomination, and an environmental protest event, that both invaded the Capitol building, but the liberal media pretends these other Capitol breeches never happened.
It was so "horrible" that the House and Senate came right back in the same chamber just 3 hours later and IN THE EXACT SAME CAPITOL CHAMBER, continued the proceedings and finalized the Electoral count.
Oh! OHHHHHHH !! How horrible !!!

As compared to, say, the George Floyd riots, where Democrat/Leftist lunatics in Minneapolis burned 5 SQUARE MILES and hundreds of businesses, looted and burned to the ground. The the people impacted by THIS damage didn't just come back in 3 hours later and carry on as usual, their lives are forever changed.
Not to mention by the same riot destruction in roughly 600 other cities nationwide by Democrat rioters and looters. The 25 people killed, the over 2,000 police officers injured, the permanent destruction of thousands of businesses and jobs, the over $ 3 billion in damage.

As compared to the literal siege on Trump's White House in May 2020 by BLM /Antifa, where when Trump the day after walked across the lawn to a historic church rioters had burned across the street, you could see the entire area around the White House was like a war zone it was so destroyed, and the church badly burned. There were 50 injured Secret Service agents during that literal White House siege, and Secret Service moved President Trump for safety concerns to a secure bunker underground, because they were so close to being over-run by that siege.

5) And as outlined in my previous posts, NO ONE was killed by the riots on January 6th, 5 people died, but NONE of them were killed by Trump supporters. An UNARMED Ashlee Babbitt was killed by a trigger-happy Capitol police lieutenant, officer Brian Sicknick died of a stroke that is misrepresented by the left WITHOUT EVIDENCE to have been killed by bludgeoning or bear spray, but was NOT, according to his autopsy and his own family. And three others died that day of natural causes, one a stroke, one a heart attack, and a 34 year old woman who could not be resuccitated with CPR. But even with natural causes, many in the crowd and investigating journalists say their deaths were caused by police firing concussion grenades over and over into a peaceful and non-rioting crowd, that is the true reason they died.

In all these cited things, Trump was not the cause of the rioting, or the impediment to stopping it.
And in all these you turn a blind eye to the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Muriel Bowser, and to FBI, DHS, Antifa, and DC metro police POSING as Trump supporters in a false flag provocation.
And in selective outrage, give greater weight to Jan 6th riots for manipulative political purposes, while ignoring or excusing the far greater damage nationwide from the George Floyd riots, and ongoing attacks by BLM and Antifa nationwide, on ICE compounds and federal buildings. And an ACTUAL "CHOP/CHAZ" seige and occupation of Seattle by BLM/Antifa in Seattle, that cause a number of peopleto be killed. And they tried unsuccessfully to do the same in Washington DC.
You ignore all these OBVIOUS incidents of nationwide destruction by the Democrat/Left, to falsely accuse Trump in a deliberately false narrative, for the clear motive of trying to destroy him politically and personally.
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On top of everything else I've linked, this video :

Capitol Punishment documentary
https://rumble.com/v183nhn-capitol-...told-you-is-a-lie-a-january-6th-doc.html

https://capitolpunishmentthemovie.com/

https://odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/Capitol-Punishment-(2021):2




With a Capitol Punishment, Part 2 due to be released in January
The rioters were there for Trump WB, Nor was it surprising that when the fat corrupt piece of shit asked this special people to leave that they complied. It takes Trump over 2 hours after windows are broken and his people get into the capitol before he asks them to leave. Why did it take that long WB? He wanted them there and you did too.

By Jan 6 Trump knew he had lost the election and the plan to stay in power was to try to get his VP not to accept or count the electors from states that republicans controlled. They then would choose the loser to stay in power. It failed.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
The rioters were there for Trump WB, Nor was it surprising that when the fat corrupt piece of shit asked this special people to leave that they complied. It takes Trump over 2 hours after windows are broken and his people get into the capitol before he asks them to leave. Why did it take that long WB? He wanted them there and you did too.

By Jan 6 Trump knew he had lost the election and the plan to stay in power was to try to get his VP not to accept or count the electors from states that republicans controlled. They then would choose the loser to stay in power. It failed.


The video I just posted shows the rioters and vandals were NOT there for Trump.

These were Federal agents and Antifa, who were only there to SET UP AND FRAME Trump supporters. And by the weirdest coincidence, many of the worst instigaors and offenders (i.e., "un-indicted co-conspirators", in the FBI's own reports, agents provacateur, FBI and DHS undercover agents, as well as Antifa and DC Metro undercover officers disguised as Trump supporters) were not arrested.
Over and over, as described in the video, these false flag agents were breaking windows and trying to incite the mob, and it was ACTUAL Trump supporters who stopped them.
And the same Trump-hating Democrat FBI agent who supervised the botched fake Gov. Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping sting in Michigan, rather than being fired by FBI, was sent to Washington DC to run the exact same kind of frame job sting on Trump supporters on January 6th.

And then innocent Trump supporters who just were there peacefully protesting, a few daays later got 6 AM raids by the FBI on their homes, wih flashbang grenade fired at them by armed to the teeth, when these PEACEFUL Trump protesters could have just gotten a phone call from the FBI telling them where and when to appear with their lawyer.
Democrat-Bolshevik terrorism of innocent people, pure and simple.
The Democrat weaponization of federal agencies against their political dissenters, pure and simple.

Are you immune to logic and facts ?
No I’m not. You however saw your guy wait 2 hours before trying to get his people in the capitol to leave and you can’t address it or have him (gasp) take responsibility for his actions.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
No I’m not. You however saw your guy wait 2 hours before trying to get his people in the capitol to leave and you can’t address it or have him (gasp) take responsibility for his actions.


We've been over this a dozen times.

1) Trump ordered 20,000 National Guard troops to guard Washington Square. It was Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and DC mayor Muriel Bowser who obstructed protection of Washington DC. Donald Trump has no blame, and nothing to apologize for. If he ordered 20,000 National Guard to protect washington DC on Jan 6th, it makes no sense to allege he "incited" riots and violence. Tha's just pure Democrat-Bolshevik narrative.

2) Trump in his Jan 6th speech urged protesters to walk over to the Capitol to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically" voice their support for the Republican Senate and House members who were LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONALLY challenging legitimacy of the electoral results.

3) As I've repeatedly detailed, the majority of violent offenders on Jan 6th were undercover FBI, DHS, DC Metro and Antifa ( i.e., >>NOT<< actual Trump supporters) , and even among the Oath Keepers were FBI undercover false-flag agents who gave them a battle plan OATH KEEPERS NEVER PLANNED, that the Oath Keepers didn't follow, but were framed and prosecuted for. Likewise, many who smashed Capitol windows and clashed with police are mysteriously unidentified by FBI and not prosecuted, even 3 years later.
All indicating they were undercover federal agents, their identities hidden by FBI, immune from prosecution.
And John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa group, who were at the center of he Ashli Babbitt shooting.
Again, it is Democrats and these federal agencies and Antifa who are to blame, President Trump has no blame, and nothing to apologize for.

4) Aside from Trump's Jan 6th speech on the White House lawn, all through the day about every 20 or 30 minutes Trump posted on social media, constantly instructing his followers to "remain peaceful".
When the breach into the Capitol happened (likely led by false-flag federal agents and Antifa, DISGUISED as Trump supporters), you exaggerate how long it took Trump to respond. He took maybe an hour or so, give or take, to compose a statement, videotape it, and then post it online.
You are SO desperate to manufacture ANY fake outrage to blame Trump for. There was virtually no damage to the Capitol building. A few smashed windows (again, likely by false flag federal agents, NOT by Trump supporters, just as the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping farce was completely manufactured by the FBI. And the Trump-hating FBI supervisor who botched the Whitmer operation and should have been fired or demoted, FBI instead ran a very similar false flag sting against Trump supporters at the Capitol on January 6th Trump again did nothing wrong, and he released a video statement on social media in a very reasonable frame of time.
AND AGAIN: You have all this fake outrage against Trump, where there was virtually no damage to the Capitol, and a joint session of the House and Senate came in and finalized the elecion IN THE SAME ROOM just a few hours later. Just a few broken windows,tha took just minutes to clean up.





AS CONTRASTED WITH: ; 600 cities looted and burned nationwide in 2000 by Antifa and BLM in the months prior to January 6th.
25 people killed by the BLM mobs.
Over 2,000 police officers wounded.
An estimated 2 to 3 billion in damage to looted and burned cities.

In your native Minneapolis, FIVE SQUARE MILES destroyed, looted and burned, a war zone, AN ENTIRE POLICE PRECINCT COMPLETELY DESTROYED, >>NOT << easily swept up as on January 6th, NEVER coming back.
Businesses and jobs permanently destroyed.
>>>>NO <<<<< compassion about that from you, just endless fake outrage OVER NOTHING directed at Trump because he allegedly took an extra 30 minutes to post a video.

As I recall, a breach of rioters (false-flag federal agents?) into the Capitol was reported about 2:45 or so. Trump aired a video telling people to go home about 4:30 PM. It may have been reported in the news at 2:45 or it may not, and it (like many reports) may not have been accurate, and once it was confirmed after 30 or 60 minutes, then Trump drafted and aired his statement to his suporters at the Capitol. BIG. FUCKING. DEAL. Trump acted reasonably, in a reasonable timeframe.

The REAL issue is weaponization of all these federal agencies against Trump and his supporters, to FRAME them. At least 90% of whom did nothing wrong at the Capitol that day, and were tricked into even entering the Capitol, by people in police uniforms (undercover federal agents?) who took away the barricades before Trump supporters even arrived.
And other police (false-flag federal agents?) who flung the doors wide open and let them in the Capitol. ALL VERIFIABLE ON VIDEO. The video overwhelmingly shows these people just walking around taking selfies inside the Capitol, no violence, no vandalism. THEY WERE SET UP.

And the REAL outrage is that these innocent people were jailed for years without prosecution or lawyers, beaten in jail by angry Democrat guards, when they weren't even prosecuted for a crime. Jailed in dirty cells wihout even clean water, forced to drink by guards from toilets.

All because they were TRICKED into "trespassing", for being in an area that they didn't even know they weren't supposed to be in.
And then FBI and DOJ manufacured fake federal charges of "trying to obstruct a federal proceeding", and these people were forced under duress to sign plea deals FOR CHARGES THEY WEREN'T EVEN GUILTY OF, just end their lengthy false imprisonment.

But meanwhile the same 97% Democrat loyalist FBI and DOJ sets free almost all the BLM 2020 rioters, drops charges left and right against violent Antifa and BLM thugs, who ACTUALLY DID commit violent crimes, tried to trap security officers around federal buildings and burn them alive, blinded federal agents with laser pointers, threw Molotov cocktails at cops trying to burn them in their police cars... THESE GUYS THE FBI DROPS CHARGES AGAINST AND SETS FREE !

John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa pals were DIRECTLY responsible for the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. But while Trump supporters sit in federal cells in bad conditions and no bail, John Earle Sullivan is released on House arrest, and is free to continue posting his provocations and hate on social media.
But still President Trump at the very same time , has his Facebook and Twitter accounts closed, and was unable to communicate with his at least 74 million followers.
ALL OF THAT is an outrage, no matter how many minutes it might have taken Trump to post his video on January 6th.

And I might add that vice president-to-be Kamala Harris was bailing all these violent BLM and Antifa people just arrested for violence out of jail, so they could commit even more violence.
Maybe you should be offended by THAT endorsement and incitement of violent.
"They're going to keep going, right up until election day, They will not stop. And they shouldn't stop."

Your Democrat-Bolshevik party orchestrates violence at every turn, when they feel it serves their purpose.
In Minneapolis.
At the Capitol.

And in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017 (where they again created violence by having Virginia State Police (in full riot gear armor) push peaceful conservative protesters (who were till then peacefully giving speeches at a podium in an advance-city-permitted pro-monument protest zone), pushed out of their safe area by Virginia State Police (VSP) in full riot gear armor, out of heir peaceful separate protest zone, and pushe by VSP right into the vastly larger BLM /Antifa mob, in a city led by a Democrat Mayor, with an all-Democrat city council, in a state then run by Democrat (and Clinton) operative Terry McAuliffe.
They had the police stand down, in order to MANUFACTURE "right wing" violence, when Democrat leadership pushed the pro-Robert E. Lee statue protesters out of their safe protest zone, and pushed them wwith batons and shields (ON VIDEO) right into the BLM mob that vastly outnumbered them. And thus Charlottesville and Virginia state Democrat leadership orchestrated the two sides to clash in Charlottesville.
I posted many videos documenting this at the time, in 2017. Many of which (I looked back) Youtube has long deleted. It was inconvenient to the Democrat-Bolshevik narrative.

Likewise again a few years later in May 2020, in 600 cities at once, in the nationwide George Floyd riots.

Democrats don't give a damn about anyone hurt, unless it helps sell their lying Bolshevik narrative. VERY selective outrage.
Be assured the outrage isn’t manufactured WB, nor the disgust. This was an event that occurred with the world watching. You can lie about Trump asking his special people to leave after an hour after violence broke out and they were filling the Capitol but I watched as these events unfolded. Any timeline shows it was over 2 hours. He knew his supporters were in the Capitol when he tweeted asking them to remain peaceful instead of asking them to leave. Quite a difference in tone when protesters are doing what he wants! Over a half hour later Babbit gets shot. Biden addresses the nation after 4pm… "I call on President Trump to go on national television now, to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution and demand an end to this siege. This is not a protest — it is an insurrection,"

The corrupt fat piece of shit now having utterly failed in his attempt to stay in power finally asks his people to leave at 4:17pm.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Be assured the outrage isn’t manufactured WB, nor the disgust. This was an event that occurred with the world watching. You can lie about Trump asking his special people to leave after an hour after violence broke out and they were filling the Capitol but I watched as these events unfolded. Any timeline shows it was over 2 hours. He knew his supporters were in the Capitol when he tweeted asking them to remain peaceful instead of asking them to leave. Quite a difference in tone when protesters are doing what he wants! Over a half hour later Babbit gets shot. Biden addresses the nation after 4pm… "I call on President Trump to go on national television now, to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution and demand an end to this siege. This is not a protest — it is an insurrection,"

The corrupt fat piece of shit now having utterly failed in his attempt to stay in power finally asks his people to leave at 4:17pm.

That's because... you're brainwashed on a steady diet of CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post and New York Time.
All are essentially partisan liberal blogs, that are staying afloat on the last fumes of their former reputations, that they have completely ruined.

Sharyl Attkisson, 55 minutes of cited examples of 2020 election media bias


Across the board, the entire mainstream liberal media.
PROUDLY lying, without shame !
They think it is their HOLY MISSION to lie, to slander and marginalize Trump.
“ WASHINGTON (AP) — In the follow-up to their 2018 bestseller “How Democracies Die,” authors Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky write about three rules that political parties must follow: accept the results of fair elections, reject the use of violence to gain power and break ties to extremists.

In the aftermath of the 2020 election, they write, only one U.S. political party “violated all three.”

Saturday marks the third anniversary of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, and Donald Trump, the former president, is far-and-away the leading Republican candidate in 2024. He still refuses to acknowledge his earlier loss to President Joe Biden. Far from rejecting the rioters, he has suggested he would pardon some of those who have been convicted of violent crimes. Rather than distance himself from extremists, he welcomes them at his rallies and calls them patriots.

And Trump is now backed by many of the Republican leaders who fled for their lives and hid from the rioters, even some who had condemned Trump. Several top GOP leaders have endorsed his candidacy.

The support for Trump starkly highlights the divisions in the aftermath of the deadly storming of the Capitol and frames the question about whose definition of governance will prevail — or if democracy will prevail at all.

“If our political leaders do not stand up in defense of democracy, our democracy won’t be defended," said Levitsky, one of the Harvard professors whose new book is “Tyranny of the Minority.”

“There’s no country in the world, no country on Earth in history, where the politicians abdicated democracy but the institutions held," he told The Associated Press. “People have to defend democracy.”

The third anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack comes during the most convulsive period in American politics in at least a generation, with Congress barely able to keep up with the basics of governing, and the start of the presidential nominating contests just over a week away.

Trump's persistent false claims that the election of 2020 was stolen — which has been rejected in at least 60 court cases, every state election certification and by the former president's one-time attorney general — continue to animate the presidential race as he eyes a rematch with Biden.

Instead, Trump now faces more than 90 criminal charges in federal and state courts, including the federal indictment brought by special counsel Jack Smith that accused Trump of conspiring to defraud the U.S. over the election.

Biden, speaking Friday near Pennsylvania’s Valley Forge, commemorated Jan. 6, saying on that day “we nearly lost America — lost it all.”

While the Congress returned that night to certify the election results and show the world democracy was still standing, Biden said Trump is now trying to revise the narrative of what happened that day — calling the rioters “patriots” and promising to pardon them. And he said some Republicans in Congress were complicit.

“When the attack on Jan. 6 happened there was no doubt about the truth,” Biden said. “Now these MAGA voices — who know the truth about Trump and Jan. 6 — have abandoned the truth and abandoned the democracy.”
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On Jan. 6 many Republicans blamed Trump for the Capitol riot. Now they endorse his presidential bid
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Some Republicans condemned Trump in January 2021 because they were :

1) misinformed, or for a time duped by media coverage

and / or

2) RINO Republicans, deceitfully trying (Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Kevin McCarthy, Nikki Haley) to capitalize on the fact that Trump had (at least temporarily appeared to) lose power over the Republican party and millions of grassroots Republican voters. And these RINOs intended to make their influence in the Republican party rise, by kicking Trump further down. But that clearly backfired.

Some elected Republicans who initially condemned Trump have come to their senses, many others have been thoroughly rejected by Republican voters, and been voted out of office.

And we've all seen the evidence emerge over the last 3 years that the 2020 election was rigged in multiple ways, and just how destructive to the nation the Democrat-Bolsheviks are.
And Republican voters are enraged just as much by the RINO Republicans who enable the Democrats' controlled demolition of the United States, as they are by the Democrat-Bolsheviks.

George Orwell wrote his 1984 novel as a warning.
Democrats have instead used it as an instruction manual, to bring one-pary authoritarian Marxism and media message control to the United States. And I've cited the evidence of the Democrats' open plans IN THEIR OWN SELF-INCRIMINATING WORDS here in many posts, across many topics.
It is beyond any possible denial on your part. What your party openly plans, is how marxist revolutions have overthrown other countries worldwide. And former citizens of Eastern Europe, China, Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba are terrified to see what they fled from, to now be orchestrated by Democrats here in the U.S.
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And on the side of supporting ACTUAL violent insurrectionist criminals....


Harris promoted the Minnesota Freedom Fund after it bailed out a twice-convicted rapist accused of sexual assault, an alleged murderer and a woman accused of shooting at police.



and...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Freedom_Fund
You tried pushing the same false narratives over the last couple of years. There’s no penalty for Trump lying. No expectation of bringing what you call evidence into court. Most of its accusations that are propped up and repeated on conservative media. Cleaning out those republicans that wouldn’t go along with the charade. This is all coming from Trump and supporters (one party) that rejects any media that doesn’t support your leader. You’re the 1984 party rallying around the authoritarian figure.

Not one piece of what you call evidence has Trump tried bringing into court because
Harris advocated for a fund that believes wealth shouldn’t determine if you get out of jail while awaiting trial because a person can’t post bail. That’s a principle WB. Trump campaigning on pardoning his “special people” that were there for him is self serving and corrupt. At the same time he’s campaigning on sending military into large cities to get tough.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You tried pushing the same false narratives over the last couple of years. There’s no penalty for Trump lying. No expectation of bringing what you call evidence into court. Most of its accusations that are propped up and repeated on conservative media. Cleaning out those republicans that wouldn’t go along with the charade. This is all coming from Trump and supporters (one party) that rejects any media that doesn’t support your leader. You’re the 1984 party rallying around the authoritarian figure.

Not one piece of what you call evidence has Trump tried bringing into court because

God, you're ridiculous.

Democrats are clearly authoritarian Marxists who want to crush and silence all political dissent, even wihin their own party.

DEMOCRATS, not Republicans, want to abolish the electoral college after 200 years (to insure their political victory, and screw what the Constitution says about it).

DEMOCRATS want to turn Washington DC and Puerto Rico into states with 2 more guaranteed Democrat senators each (again, Democrats say "screw the Constitution").

Democrats want to expand the U S Supreme Court to 14 justices and stack it with Democrat-rubber-stamp zealot appointees like Kitanje Brown-Jackson, something Democrats 80 years ago wouldn't even let FDR do when he tried it (again, Democrats: "Screw he Constiturion").

Democrats prevent any other Democrat from being a primary opponent of Joe Biden. And in the case of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (whose father as a presidential candidate in 1968 was assassinated) IS BEING DENIED SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION.
No one too important, just a guy whose father was head of the DOJ for 4 years.
And whose name is in giant letters on wings of the FBI building.

DEMOCRATS (not Republicans) want to nationalize elections and eliminate individual states' ability to determine their own election standards (D: "Screw the Constitution").
And make it so only the party in power can ever challenge a [rigged] presidential election (D: "Screw the Constitution").

And Democrats ALREADY ARE weaponizing FBI and other federal agencies against their political opponents, labelling peaceful people as terrorists, violating their first amendment right to assemble peacefully and petition their government, arresting parents at PTA meetings who oppose woke indocrination of their children (FBI agents writing don the liccense plate numbers of heir car in he parking lo as thy leave) , FBI arresting peaceful pro-life activists, FBI/DOJ holding over 1200 peaceful January 6th protesters in jail under terrible conditions without access in many cases to legal representation, imprisoned indefinitely without trial and without prosecution or conviction of any crime.
And Merrick Garland and the DOJ want to arrest 1,000 more in 2024.



And... you try to sell that it is REPUBLICANS who are the "1984 party" ?!?
Just how brainwashed are you ?


Democrats are the self-idenified Cultural Marxist, Socialists, Communists, or a bit more thinly veiled, "Democrat-Socialists" (A O-C, Bernie Sanders).
They WORSHIP authoritarian Marxist-Socialist tactics and auhroitarian leaders. From he Clintons to the Obamas ON DOWN.
They worship, Saul Alinsky, Josef Stalin, Mao Tsetung, Fidel Castro, Che Gueverra, Hugo Chaves, Derrick Bell, on and on.
They and their cabinet members openly quote marxists, not quoted them 20 or 30 years ago, but recently, WHILE SERVING IN THE CLINTON AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS, and even more recently after. Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Mark Lloyd, Robert Reich, on and on.

  • They talk about taking away Republicans' children, and having their children raised by state appointed (Marxist) foster parents, to re-educate them in "the right way of thinking" (a PBS senior attorney, who PBS first tried to defend for weeks, then eventually fired, only because it exposed them as a rat's nest of marxist radicals, not because they disagreed with him).
  • They talk about having former Trump officials forced to confess their crimes on nationally televised broadcasts (Robert Reich, Bill Clinon's former Labor secretary, said in 2021.)
  • Mark Lloyd in the Barack Obama administraion, discussing Hugo Chaves' marxist-authoritarian takeover of the Venezuelan news media. In a recorded public meeting, Lloyd called it "Very effective, and a good model to follow."
  • Anita Dunn in the Obama administrarion in a public speech listed her two favorite quote sources as "the Pope, and Mao Tsetung".
  • Ron Bloom, transportation Czar for Barack Obama, in a press conference, said: "We agree wih Mao, that capitalism is mostly a sham, and power is mostly administered at the barrel of a gun."


WHICH PARTY SOUNDS MORE ORWELLIAN AND "1984" TO YOU, M E M ?

I'll go with the Democrats who worship Marxist authoritarian dictators, who openly talk about televised show trials of political opponents, about taking away people's children to indoctrinate them in state-approved thought. Those who talk enthusiastically about locking down all media under state control in the way done by a previous marxist dictator. Those who agree with Mao about hating free market capitalism, and about controlling people at the barrel of a gun.


Is it just me, or, do the Democrats sound... JUST A TAD... more like Orwell's 1984 ?
You know the answer.




Republicans, and Trump in particular, DON'T want to crush and silence all dissenting thought, NEVER EVEN ATEMPTED TO, during his 4 years as president. But they DO want Republican elected leaders who protect the interests of the grassroots Republican voters who elect them. Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Mitt Romney, and Ronna (nee Romney) McDaniel, four examples, clearly do NOT represent the people who voted for these leaders, and are thus hated by their voters, many already ejected from office, others about to be in 2024.

What these RINOs endorse, the FAKE Republicans you love, is a verifably the false narrative. Trump was president for 4 years, he never did anything that was authoritarian. He didn't arrest reporters, he didn't arrest his vocal opponents, or leaders in the Democrat party, Trump DIDN'T weaponize the IRS and FBI to suppress , didn't intimidate and/or jail his opponents, or use FBI or DOJ or IRS to aid him in winning the next election.
Whereas when Barack Obama was president, and Joe Biden after, ironic to the Democrat narrative... THEY DID !


What ACTUAL elected conservatives, and Republican VOTERS support, is the truth, letting the possibility of election tampering be discussed and investigated without threats, and freely follow the facts wherever they lead. Democrats (and their RINO allies) want to silence and shut down any investigation, and that convinces no one the election was not rigged.

Trump did much to restore Constitutional freedoms in his 4 years :

He built the strongest economy in over 50 years.
He made the U.S. oil-independent for the first time in 72 years.
Trump re-negotiated international trade agreements in the U.S. favor with virtually all our major trading partners worldwide.
Trump re-built a strong U.S. military, successfully won wars started before his presidency, and avoided further foreign wars, despite the pressure of his advisors AND DEMOCRATS to do so, with Korea and Iran.
He created the lowest annual rate of inflation.
He had the highest rise in real wages in 60 years.
Trump brought factories and jobs back to the United States, something Obama said was impossible, and would require a "magic wand" to accomplish. But rump accomplished it. And now Democrat-Bolsheviks like you are trying to sell the false canard that eiher Obama or Biden were economically better for the country than Trump. Many Democrats will be voting for Trump in November, because unlike you, THEY KNOW BETTER.

And that's the truth I've been posting, sourcing and linking here for 3 years as the facts have been exposed, WITH EVIDENCE, that vindicates Trump.
That the he "51 intelligence officers say the Biden laptop looks like Russian disinformation", was ITSELF revealed as disinformation, by one of the Democrat officials who organized and got the signatures on it. It is NOW proven, UNDISPUTABLY, to have been a lie, a Democrat trick, to fool voters and get Biden over the finish line, win the election in 2020.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-political-to-help-biden-win/ss-AA1bdlbh ........... FACT.
Former FBI and CIA officials, such as FBI's James Baker, took legal/executive positions in the private sector social media companies, to have the private sector help suppress the New York Post's Hunter Biden laptop story,and other sttories inconvenient to the Biden campaign, in the months and weeks before the 2020 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files .................................................................. FACT.

The House Democrats' January 6th committee immediately shredded 40% of their documents in Jan 2023 when Republicans won the majority, because they THE DEMOCRATS are the ones lying, excluding testimony, falsifying evidence, and when Republicans took the House majority, all that was about to be exposed.
THAT IS THE PROOF of which side is lying, and which is telling the truth.

Likewise a year or two earlier, Rep. Adam Schiff's PROVEN lies during the "Russia Collusion" hearings and testimony (PROVEN to be lies when two consecutive DNI directors, John Ratcliffe and Richard Grennell, de-classified and revealed the closed-testimony transcripts) are further proof of the FBI and Democrat leadership's deliberate falsification of the actual facts for their own political gain. And reveal he consistent pattern, that Democrats ALWAYS lie. Whatever serves the revolution, the Bolshevik creed.



And this is a consistent pattern with the Democrats, particularly in the FBI and intelligence field :

  • The weaponized FBI indictment of Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK), later proven innocent, vindicated in a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court decision.

    A similar FBI fraudulent conviction of Scooter Libby, despite that he is PROVEN not to have done what he was convicted for. It was Trump who finally pardoned Libby and released him from jail. (The exact same tactics used on Libby, were used against Donald Trump and several members of his administration. And against Martha Stewart, and innocent Enron and Arthur Anderson executives, all reversed on appeal by the U.S. Supreme Court. Some of hem poshumouisly, who despite innocent men, needlessly died in prison, thanks to a corrupt FBI. Each reversed on appeal by the U.S. Supreme Court.)

    FBI smothered investigation of the Benghazi attack during the Obama administration. To protect Obama and Hillary.
    ( I picture Peter Strzok and Lisa Page texting on this one.
    PAGE: "Hillary won't be indicted, will she? WILL SHE?!?
    STRZOK: "No, no she won't. We will stop it. "
    Or agents very much like them in the 97% Democrat-donating FBI. )

    FBI scuttling investigation of Hillary Clinton's deleted e-mails , and illegal private server that compromised U.S. national security. FBI not even prosecuting her for deleting 40,000 e-mails and smashing computers and phones, destroying evidence that had already been subpoenaed for a month or two, a clear federal crime.
    But FBI did midnight raids on Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, and Mar A Lago, to allegedly prevent destroying of evidence that never occurred by any of these REPUBLICANS raided.
    With CNN camera crews called and waiting in advance, of course, to televise these raids.

    FBI scuttled investigation of the $ 150 million the Clintons swindled in a treasonous pay-to-play scheme, exchanging Hillary Clinton U.S. State Department access in exchange for millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation. Gee, what a shock, FBI again didn't find evidence to warrant prosecution. (FBI investigators: "Yay, team Democrat !")

    Obama, Biden, naional security advisor Susan Rice, DNI director James Clapper, then-FBI director James Comey, acting DOJ head Sally Yates, and CIA direcor John Brennan, all in the same January 5 2017 Oval Office meeting.
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/0...-was-key-to-entire-anti-trump-operation/
    Where they plotted to kneecap Trump's incoming ELECTED presidency, and in particular to set up Michael Flynn to prevent him from discovering and exposing these top Democrats' treasonous criminal acts, FISA unmaskings, surveillance on the Trump campaign over the last year or so, and illegal aspects of the Iran nuclear deal. Everyone who was in that Oval Office meeting, and in on that plot, should be in jail.


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A least as far back as 2018, we've known, at least in the media that would report it, about the "secret society" within the FBI:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...sing-cover-missing-fbi-texts-nets-silent

But thast dirty, Democrat- weaponized FBI has been in operation for at least 20 years.

Every Democrat investigation, strong evidence suppressed and scuttled by a 97% Democrat FBI.
Every Republican maliciously prosecuted, despite exculpatory evidence suppressed by the FBI, that later got the prosecution overturned on appeal, after the Republican spent years in prison and lost their election to a Democrat.
Amid an unrelenting series of FBI violations of their own procedures, especially in the last 8 years. Falsified FISA warrants, hyper-aggressive midnight raids where FBI notifies CNN in advance to be there, hours before they ever serve the warrant to the Trump-appointed suspects. And the raid on Mar A Lago followed the same FBI/CNN pattern.

And now, going into the 2024 presidential campaign... an endless sea of "lawfare" overkill indictments of Trump with no credibility, CLEARLY only served for political reasons, overwhelming Democrat districts for a 90%-plus Democrat jury. Judge-shopped leftist judges, indictments served after delays, precisely so THESE reliably Democrat judges would oversee the cases in their favor. And hyper-partisan and unethical prosecutors like Jack Smitth, Leticia James and Fany Willis, secretly helped by loaned DOJ lawyers to make them look slightly more professional and competent.
Specious cases doomed to be overturned, their only purpose being to generate scandal among uninformed voters, to lower Trump in the court of public opinion just enough to try and prevent him from being re-elected, but will inevitably be indictments found to be groundless and unlawful, inevitably will be reversed on appeal. ONLY filed to hurt Trump politically in he months before he 2024 election, to accomplish that mission, before being overturned.


20 years of one-sided indictments, by a Democrat-weaponized FBI.
ALWAYS protecting and obstructing prosecution of Democrats. ALWAYS maliciously and falsely prosecuting Republicans.

And the consistent text messages inside the FBI, exposing a vitriolic hatred of Republicans, and making clear they want to use their FBI power to tip the scales in favor of the Democrats.
With a steady stream of convictions, appealed and overturned by he U S Supreme Court, to show they have done exactly this, over and over.

How much more proof do you need?
You’re just making partisan accusation's and calling it proof WB. Coming from someone who supported Trump’s attempt to steal the election by not counting the electoral votes in 2020 it’s clear to me how full of garbage you are. You can’t rant that away WB. I now know you’ll rationalize anything if it keeps your guy in power. The charges against Trump about his 2020 attempts to steal the election are pretty straight forward and clear. What’s in there that he didn’t do? Nor are these actions Trump took to stay in power would be okay if “my side” was doing it.
Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources
“ Sources said Scavino told Smith's investigators that as the violence began to escalate that day, Trump "was just not interested" in doing more to stop it.

Sources also said former Trump aide Nick Luna told federal investigators that when Trump was informed that then-Vice President Mike Pence had to be rushed to a secure location, Trump responded, "So what?" -- which sources said Luna saw as an unexpected willingness by Trump to let potential harm come to a longtime loyalist.

After unsuccessfully trying for up to 20 minutes to persuade Trump to release some sort of calming statement, Scavino and others walked out of the dining room, leaving Trump alone, sources said. That's when, according to sources, Trump posted a message on his Twitter account saying that Pence "didn't have the courage to do what should have been done."

Trump's aides told investigators they were shocked by the post. Aside from Trump, Scavino was the only other person with access to Trump's Twitter account, and he was often the one actually posting messages to it, so when the message about Pence popped up, Cipollone and another White House attorney raced to find Scavino, demanding to know why he would post that in the midst of such a precarious situation, sources said.“

“ Scavino printed out proposed messages to post on Twitter, hoping that Trump would approve them despite his reluctance to write such posts himself, sources said. The congressional probe found that even Trump's daughter, Ivanka, "rushed down to the Oval Office dining room" to convince her father that issuing a public message could "discourage violence," as the congressional report put it.

More than a half-hour after Trump was first pressed to take some sort of action, Trump finally let Scavino post a message on Trump's Twitter account telling supporters to support law enforcement and "stay peaceful." It was 2:38 p.m.”
“ Minutes later, Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot when she tried to break through a barricaded entrance near the House chamber.

And the violence at the Capitol continued to escalate.

At least six of Trump's closest aides continued to push Trump to do something more forceful than posting what they saw as a weak message on Twitter, sources said.

Trump listened to the pleas, "but he was just not interested at that moment to put anything out," Scavino told Smith's team, according to the sources. Instead, Trump was focused on watching TV and taking in the chaotic scenes, Scavino said, the sources added.”

So this was Trump on Jan 6 as his special people rioted inside and outside the capitol.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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We've been over this a dozen times.

1) Trump ordered 20,000 National Guard troops to guard Washington Square. It was Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and DC mayor Muriel Bowser who obstructed protection of Washington DC. Donald Trump has no blame, and nothing to apologize for. If he ordered 20,000 National Guard to protect washington DC on Jan 6th, it makes no sense to allege he "incited" riots and violence. Tha's just pure Democrat-Bolshevik narrative.

2) Trump in his Jan 6th speech urged protesters to walk over to the Capitol to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically" voice their support for the Republican Senate and House members who were LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONALLY challenging legitimacy of the electoral results.

3) As I've repeatedly detailed, the majority of violent offenders on Jan 6th were undercover FBI, DHS, DC Metro and Antifa ( i.e., >>NOT<< actual Trump supporters) , and even among the Oath Keepers were FBI undercover false-flag agents who gave them a battle plan OATH KEEPERS NEVER PLANNED, that the Oath Keepers didn't follow, but were framed and prosecuted for. Likewise, many who smashed Capitol windows and clashed with police are mysteriously unidentified by FBI and not prosecuted, even 3 years later.
All indicating they were undercover federal agents, their identities hidden by FBI, immune from prosecution.
And John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa group, who were at the center of he Ashli Babbitt shooting.
Again, it is Democrats and these federal agencies and Antifa who are to blame, President Trump has no blame, and nothing to apologize for.

4) Aside from Trump's Jan 6th speech on the White House lawn, all through the day about every 20 or 30 minutes Trump posted on social media, constantly instructing his followers to "remain peaceful".
When the breach into the Capitol happened (likely led by false-flag federal agents and Antifa, DISGUISED as Trump supporters), you exaggerate how long it took Trump to respond. He took maybe an hour or so, give or take, to compose a statement, videotape it, and then post it online.
You are SO desperate to manufacture ANY fake outrage to blame Trump for. There was virtually no damage to the Capitol building. A few smashed windows (again, likely by false flag federal agents, NOT by Trump supporters, just as the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping farce was completely manufactured by the FBI. And the Trump-hating FBI supervisor who botched the Whitmer operation and should have been fired or demoted, FBI instead ran a very similar false flag sting against Trump supporters at the Capitol on January 6th Trump again did nothing wrong, and he released a video statement on social media in a very reasonable frame of time.
AND AGAIN: You have all this fake outrage against Trump, where there was virtually no damage to the Capitol, and a joint session of the House and Senate came in and finalized the elecion IN THE SAME ROOM just a few hours later. Just a few broken windows,tha took just minutes to clean up.





AS CONTRASTED WITH: ; 600 cities looted and burned nationwide in 2000 by Antifa and BLM in the months prior to January 6th.
25 people killed by the BLM mobs.
Over 2,000 police officers wounded.
An estimated 2 to 3 billion in damage to looted and burned cities.

In your native Minneapolis, FIVE SQUARE MILES destroyed, looted and burned, a war zone, AN ENTIRE POLICE PRECINCT COMPLETELY DESTROYED, >>NOT << easily swept up as on January 6th, NEVER coming back.
Businesses and jobs permanently destroyed.
>>>>NO <<<<< compassion about that from you, just endless fake outrage OVER NOTHING directed at Trump because he allegedly took an extra 30 minutes to post a video.

As I recall, a breach of rioters (false-flag federal agents?) into the Capitol was reported about 2:45 or so. Trump aired a video telling people to go home about 4:30 PM. It may have been reported in the news at 2:45 or it may not, and it (like many reports) may not have been accurate, and once it was confirmed after 30 or 60 minutes, then Trump drafted and aired his statement to his suporters at the Capitol. BIG. FUCKING. DEAL. Trump acted reasonably, in a reasonable timeframe.

The REAL issue is weaponization of all these federal agencies against Trump and his supporters, to FRAME them. At least 90% of whom did nothing wrong at the Capitol that day, and were tricked into even entering the Capitol, by people in police uniforms (undercover federal agents?) who took away the barricades before Trump supporters even arrived.
And other police (false-flag federal agents?) who flung the doors wide open and let them in the Capitol. ALL VERIFIABLE ON VIDEO. The video overwhelmingly shows these people just walking around taking selfies inside the Capitol, no violence, no vandalism. THEY WERE SET UP.

And the REAL outrage is that these innocent people were jailed for years without prosecution or lawyers, beaten in jail by angry Democrat guards, when they weren't even prosecuted for a crime. Jailed in dirty cells wihout even clean water, forced to drink by guards from toilets.

All because they were TRICKED into "trespassing", for being in an area that they didn't even know they weren't supposed to be in.
And then FBI and DOJ manufacured fake federal charges of "trying to obstruct a federal proceeding", and these people were forced under duress to sign plea deals FOR CHARGES THEY WEREN'T EVEN GUILTY OF, just end their lengthy false imprisonment.

But meanwhile the same 97% Democrat loyalist FBI and DOJ sets free almost all the BLM 2020 rioters, drops charges left and right against violent Antifa and BLM thugs, who ACTUALLY DID commit violent crimes, tried to trap security officers around federal buildings and burn them alive, blinded federal agents with laser pointers, threw Molotov cocktails at cops trying to burn them in their police cars... THESE GUYS THE FBI DROPS CHARGES AGAINST AND SETS FREE !

John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa pals were DIRECTLY responsible for the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. But while Trump supporters sit in federal cells in bad conditions and no bail, John Earle Sullivan is released on House arrest, and is free to continue posting his provocations and hate on social media.
But still President Trump at the very same time , has his Facebook and Twitter accounts closed, and was unable to communicate with his at least 74 million followers.
ALL OF THAT is an outrage, no matter how many minutes it might have taken Trump to post his video on January 6th.

And I might add that vice president-to-be Kamala Harris was bailing all these violent BLM and Antifa people just arrested for violence out of jail, so they could commit even more violence.
Maybe you should be offended by THAT endorsement and incitement of violent.
"They're going to keep going, right up until election day, They will not stop. And they shouldn't stop."

Your Democrat-Bolshevik party orchestrates violence at every turn, when they feel it serves their purpose.
In Minneapolis.
At the Capitol.

And in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017 (where they again created violence by having Virginia State Police (in full riot gear armor) push peaceful conservative protesters (who were till then peacefully giving speeches at a podium in an advance-city-permitted pro-monument protest zone), pushed out of their safe area by Virginia State Police (VSP) in full riot gear armor, out of heir peaceful separate protest zone, and pushe by VSP right into the vastly larger BLM /Antifa mob, in a city led by a Democrat Mayor, with an all-Democrat city council, in a state then run by Democrat (and Clinton) operative Terry McAuliffe.
They had the police stand down, in order to MANUFACTURE "right wing" violence, when Democrat leadership pushed the pro-Robert E. Lee statue protesters out of their safe protest zone, and pushed them wwith batons and shields (ON VIDEO) right into the BLM mob that vastly outnumbered them. And thus Charlottesville and Virginia state Democrat leadership orchestrated the two sides to clash in Charlottesville.
I posted many videos documenting this at the time, in 2017. Many of which (I looked back) Youtube has long deleted. It was inconvenient to the Democrat-Bolshevik narrative.

Likewise again a few years later in May 2020, in 600 cities at once, in the nationwide George Floyd riots.

Democrats don't give a damn about anyone hurt, unless it helps sell their lying Bolshevik narrative. VERY selective outrage.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources
“ Sources said Scavino told Smith's investigators that as the violence began to escalate that day, Trump "was just not interested" in doing more to stop it.

Sources also said former Trump aide Nick Luna told federal investigators that when Trump was informed that then-Vice President Mike Pence had to be rushed to a secure location, Trump responded, "So what?" -- which sources said Luna saw as an unexpected willingness by Trump to let potential harm come to a longtime loyalist.

After unsuccessfully trying for up to 20 minutes to persuade Trump to release some sort of calming statement, Scavino and others walked out of the dining room, leaving Trump alone, sources said. That's when, according to sources, Trump posted a message on his Twitter account saying that Pence "didn't have the courage to do what should have been done."

Trump's aides told investigators they were shocked by the post. Aside from Trump, Scavino was the only other person with access to Trump's Twitter account, and he was often the one actually posting messages to it, so when the message about Pence popped up, Cipollone and another White House attorney raced to find Scavino, demanding to know why he would post that in the midst of such a precarious situation, sources said.“

“ Scavino printed out proposed messages to post on Twitter, hoping that Trump would approve them despite his reluctance to write such posts himself, sources said. The congressional probe found that even Trump's daughter, Ivanka, "rushed down to the Oval Office dining room" to convince her father that issuing a public message could "discourage violence," as the congressional report put it.

More than a half-hour after Trump was first pressed to take some sort of action, Trump finally let Scavino post a message on Trump's Twitter account telling supporters to support law enforcement and "stay peaceful." It was 2:38 p.m.”
“ Minutes later, Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot when she tried to break through a barricaded entrance near the House chamber.

And the violence at the Capitol continued to escalate.

At least six of Trump's closest aides continued to push Trump to do something more forceful than posting what they saw as a weak message on Twitter, sources said.

Trump listened to the pleas, "but he was just not interested at that moment to put anything out," Scavino told Smith's team, according to the sources. Instead, Trump was focused on watching TV and taking in the chaotic scenes, Scavino said, the sources added.”

So this was Trump on Jan 6 as his special people rioted inside and outside the capitol.

Did you even read this WB? From his most trusted people this is what evil looks like.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
[quote=Matter-eater Man]Special counsel probe uncovers new details about Trump's inaction on Jan. 6: Sources
“ Sources said Scavino told Smith's investigators that as the violence began to escalate that day, Trump "was just not interested" in doing more to stop it.



So this was Trump on Jan 6 as his special people rioted inside and outside the capitol.
Originally Posted by M E M
Did you even read this WB? From his most trusted people this is what evil looks like.

"This is what evil looks like"...
lol lol lol
lol lol lol

More Leftist propaganda. Where to begin.

First of all, ABC News is hyperpartisan Left.
George Stephanopoulos is a hyperpartisan, Bill Clinton's former press secretary, who in one documentary is shown in the White House during the Clinton years calling someone and threatening them with his Whitte House power, giving them an offer they couldn't refuse. He has no moral high ground to call Trump or anyone else a tyrant or a powermonger or evil. What Stephanopoulos did in the Clinton years is way more abuse of power than Trump has ever exerted. And since the Clinton years, Stephanopoulos as a "journalist" has in fact been a propagandist for the Democrat cause, whatever the daily talking points, for about 23 years.
ABC correspondent Jonathan Karl is likewise a Democrat / left propagandist, who never misses the opportunity to slander Donald Trump, to promote the cuurent lying Democrat talking points. In the video clip with the article, he narrates "angry Trump supporters violently storming the Capitol". Greg Kelly has given chapter and verse on Jonathan Karl's biases, and his multiple books attacking the Trump administration. Just another brick in the pyramid of liberal media bias.
https://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101-what-journalists-really-think-and-what-public-thinks-about-them

It is an obscene lie to say Trump supporters acted violently on Jan 6th.
It was not Trump supporters who shot Ashli Babbitt,
It was not Trump supporters who fired concussion grenades and tear gas into crowds of PEACEFULLY demonstrating Trump supporters just standing around waving flags, OUTSIDE the Capitol, FAR AWAY from the small bit of violence that happened inside one hallway of the Capitol. And as I've said before, these three who died had pre-existing health conditions, so that the CAPITOL POLICE -- *NOT* "angry" Trump supporters-- directly or indirectly caused the deaths of these three.

In short, ALL the deaths that occurred were because of Capitol police violence and excessive force, *NOT* because of any action by Trump or his supporters, "angry" or otherwise.
And AGAIN:
There were "at least 20" undercover FBI agents, DISGUISED as Trump supporters. According to FBI's OWN REPORTS on Jan 6th.
There were at least 20 undercover DHS agents, DISGUISED as Trump supporters. By their own admission.
There were at least 10 undercover DC Metro police officers, DISGUISED as Trump supporters. By their own admission.

It is my firm belief, based on evidence, both of how Trump supporters have very peacefully behaved at any other rally in the last 8 years, AND the reluctance of FBI leadership to discuss the precise actions of FBI agents hidden in the crowd on January 6th, that FBI and other federal/police agents deliberately tried to incite the mob, smashed windows to encourage Trump supporters to enter the Capitol (i.e., they SET THEM UP, AND FRAMED THEM), committed violence and vandalism, to have it blamed on PEACEFUL Trump supporters,

That it was likely DC Metro police, or federal agents disguised as police, who removed the police barricades, to trick Trump supporters into coming inside the Capitol building. There was only ONE clash with about 8 or 10 police, in one hallway for about 30 minutes, while multiple other doors were wide open where peaceful Trump supporters were WELCOMED IN by Capitol police to wander around, with no warnings or admonitions ever given by police when hey came in. Setting them up, so they could later be arrested for "trespassing", and later overcharged with "obstructing a federal proceeding" and other piled on overcharges, that no Democrat protesters who far more aggressively entered were ever charged with, who did more damage HAVE EVER BEEN CHARGED WITH. Only Trump supporters.
FBI also set up a "geo-fence" to pick up the cel phone signals, phone numbers and messaages, photos and other phone contents of everyone who was within a few hundred yards of the Capitol.
AGAIN, a set-up by police and federal agents.

None of this was done to the far more aggressive Brett Kavanaugh protesters in 2018 by FBI, who "occupied" he Capitol.
None of this was done to environmentalists who ALSO entered and "occupied" the Capitol far more aggressively and for a much longer time, and did more damage.

None of this was done to the Antifa persons who were DISGUISED as Trump supporters, in the Capitol RIGHT NEXT TO ASHLI BABBITT on Jan 6th, WHO CAUSED HER SHOOTING, AND VIDEOTAPED IT BY TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS FROM TWO DIFFERENT ANGLES. John Earle Sullivan and his followers were out almost immediately, released and at home, set free to continue posting their hate on Facebook and Twitter, further inciting Antifa-style revolution nationwide every day for the last 3 years.
While ACTUAL "peaceful and patriotic" Trump supporter mere "trespassers" have been detained in federal prison cells under terrible conditions for all that time. Who have lost their jobs an businesses, and had their homes foreclosed because they could no longer work and pay their bills, let alone see their wives and children. Who should have just been fined for trespassing and sent home. As BLM and Antifa were in similar protests nationwide over the last 8 years.

Why do I think FBI framed them, and did what little violence occurred themselves, to frame Trump supporters? Because of the consistent FBI example and partisan conspiracy against Trump by James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priestap, Andrew McCabe, Kevin Clinesmith, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, on and on.
And the FBI agents who just in the months prior in 2020 did a similar frame job in the alleged plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer. Where FBI agents were 12 of he 15 people involved in the "kidnapping" plot. These impoverished dimwitted alleged "white supremacists" would haave been utterly incapable of such a kidnapping plot without the FBI's "help".
FBI provided the plan to kidnap Whitmer.
FBI provided the getaway van.
FBI provided the funding for the operation.
And then the FBI supervisor of this fiasco sting operation, instead of being fired or demoted by FBI... was immediately after sent to supervise undercover surveillance of Trump supporters during the January 6th rally.
And that FBI supervisor also rabidly hates Trump and made that hate crystal clear in his texts and social media posts. And is a wife beater, whose wife divorced him shortly after Jan 6th.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/01...-plot-youve-heard-next-to-nothing-about/

  • At the center of the action was the FBI’s ringleader, Dan Chappel, 34 at the time, an Iraq war veteran and contract truck driver for the U.S. Postal Service. Chappel, the official story goes, joined a group called the Wolverine Watchmen in early 2020 to burnish his firearms skills. Members generally interacted on social media.

    The government claimed that Chappel became alarmed at alleged online chatter about killing police and took his concerns to a friend in law enforcement in March 2020.

    A week later, the FBI hired Chappel as an informant.

    Over the course of the next seven months, Chappel “ingratiated” himself with the men, as one defense attorney described his method, with an eye particularly on [Adam] Fox, 37, the reported mastermind of the plot. While the media portrayed Fox as a military leader prepping an army of “white supremacists” to overthrow state governments across the country, he was, in reality, a homeless man living in the dilapidated basement of a vacuum repair shop without running water or a toilet in a Grand Rapids strip mall. One co-defendant referred to him as “Captain Autism.”

    Fox’s lawyer, Christopher Gibbons, said Chappel took on a “father figure” role to his fatherless and destitute client. Fox and Chappel exchanged thousands of texts. Chappel drove Fox, who did not own a car, to various meetups and staged events while recording every moment to preserve as evidence against him. On at least three occasions, according to testimony offered at trial, Chappel offered Fox a prepaid credit card authorized by the FBI with a $5,000 limit to help him buy guns and ammunition; Fox, despite being broke, declined each time.

    Chappel, known as “Big Dan” to the group, created encrypted chats and gave real-time access to his FBI handlers working out of the Detroit FBI field office as the farfetched plan unfolded.

    Informants and targets mulled over how to blow up a bridge outside Whitmer’s summer cottage; kill her security detail; take her to a nearby boat launch; and either abandon her in the middle of Lake Michigan or bring her across the lake to Wisconsin to stand a “citizen’s trial” over her COVID-19 lockdown policies. One discussion involved the implausible use of a military helicopter.

    From appearances, a demonstration at the Michigan State Capitol in Lansing on April 30, 2020, might well have been a law enforcement dress rehearsal for Jan. 6.

    Chappel traveled to the event in Lansing with three members of the Watchmen later held on state charges. Some protesters were clad in military gear and carried firearms, but could not enter the building. When Chappel told his FBI handler what was happening, the FBI ordered the Michigan State Police to stand down and allow protesters inside.

    News photographers captured the moment when protesters “stormed” the [Michigan] State Capitol and called out for Whitmer, resulting in the same sort of optics produced at the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol.

    The incident took on greater significance when it was revealed that Steven D’Antuono, head of the Detroit FBI field office during the Whitmer caper, was promoted to head up the FBI field office in Washington, D.C., three months before Jan. 6.


And...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...without_fbi_informants_and_handlers.html
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informan...54w6mGj07PlLRLtECR8_Kcf8326S1uFvG5nrSZhP
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60999431
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2...created-whitmer-fednapping-plot-n1727429


And in the case of 66 year old January 6th protester Richard Barnett, he said he wandered in the Capitol with the crowd and was just looking around, and when he tried to leave, two men blocked the door and prevented him from leaving, and then encouraged him to sit at a desk with his feet up and pose for a photo that THEY took, AT THEIR SUGGESTION, that these were quite possibly federal agents, and this was part of the set up.
I notice the Democrats and liberal media don't want to talk anymore about Richard Barnett, or about "Quanon shaman" Jacob Chansley, because those narratives have been exposed and blown up in the Democrats' faces. So they don't mention them by name anymore, and now try to sweep those narratives under the rug, and not draw attention to them. Because they now prove the public was lied to by Democrats and the liberal media.
And even the New York Times that started the "Officer Brian Sicknick was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher by violent WHITE SUPREMACIST Trump supporter" narrative, about 6 months after Jan 6th, COMPLETELY retracted their own narrative, after several times floating other false narratives (as I detailed in previous posts). So that again is another collapsed narrative the Democrat/Left now tries not to talk about. Completely false, completely disproven. Now another texbook exaample of the Democrats' entirely false narrative surrounding every aspect of January 6th.

Senators Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Ron Johnson, among others, asked FBI assistant director of counterterrorism Jill Sanborn (in charge of FBI's Jan 6 investigations) , and in later Senate hearings testimony also questioned FBI director Christopher Wray, about the FBI undercover agents disguised as Trump supporters among the crowd on January 6th. Their evasive answers only further support the appearance of an attempt to frame Trump supporters.
Asked if undercover FBI agents incited the crowd to violence and vandalism, both FBI officials said "I can't answer that, Senator."
Asked if undercover agents that day COMMITTED VIOLENCE OR VANDALISM THEMSELVES, they again said "Senator, I can't answer that."
That to me is a YES. That FBI DID incite violence, and commit acts of vandalism and violence themselves, to blame on Trump and his supporters.


And then there's the ABC News "story" you linked about "trusted Trump insiders" who witnessed what Trump said and did during the hours of he January 6th Capitol riots.
Again, George Stephanopoulos and Jonathan Karl are partisans who have hyped false stories about Trump in the past.
Second, I don't trust the alleged context of what their "trusted insider sources" actually said, I think they were slice-and-dice quoted in a context that Trump-hating and team-Democrat ABC News wanted to spin it in. I think they could be people who are completely loyal to Trump (Cippolone) who are quoted in a way that implies something that wasn't actually said.

And we also have examples of other "trusted" White House advisors, who exploited their time in the Trump administration to leverage themselves into media careers.
One (Cassidy Hutchinson) alleged a ride and conversations in Trump's presidential limousine and a dramatic story of how Trump tried to grab the steering wheel and turn the car around to go where he wanted to go on Jan 6th. Completely discredited by Secret Service agents who were in those vehicles. Bu still pure catnip for CNN, MSNBC, ABC News and the New York Times.

Another young brunette White House assistant (Alyssa Farah Griffin ) also exploited Trump to write a questionably accurate tell-all book, and leveraged her way to become for the last year one of the harpy-shrew panelists on The View.

And ultimately, even if what they said in the linked article was hypothetically damning of Trump (which it isn't) , it is just their opinion, NOT the silver bullet "proof" of anything as you leap to speculate. They were advisors who gave their OPINION to Trump, and Trump rejected their assessments as false, and went with his own intuitions about the Capitol situation that day.

In a similar situation, Trump in 2019 was advised after Iran shot down a U.S. drone, and his advisors pushed Trump to launch a massive retaliatory attack on Iran. But at the last minute, Trump rejected his advisors' wisdom, followed his own instincts, and called off the attack, saying it would have been disproportionate and unnecessarily cost a lot of lives, and if not for Trump, would have pushed us into another trillion-dollar war with Iran.
Trump wisely rejected the advice that former presidents Bush Sr., Clinton, W.Bush and Obama before him took, that led to trillions in unnecessary wars.
Trump, along with Reagan, are the only presidents since World War II not to open up another major war during their presidencies.
That's not "evil" of Trump, that's pragmatic, and in the U.S.'s, and the world's, interest.

You know what's "EVIL" ?
Joe Biden removing all our troops prematurely from Afghanistan, so there was chaos at the airport, 17 U.S. soldiers who were (despite advance warnings ignored) unnecessarily killed by a Taliban suicide bomber in the crowd.
"EVIL" is dozens more desperate Afghans endangered by Biden's abandonment of Afghanistan and chaotic withdrawal, who clung to the planes as they took off and fell thousands of feet to their deaths, rather than be tortured and killed by the waiting Taliban outside a the gates. All because of the callous and cynical actions of Joe Biden.

You know what else is "EVIL"?
Leaving 85 BILLION dollars worth of high-tech hardware, high-tech aircraft and helicopters, guns, and high-tech night-vision goggles that for decades gave U.S. soldiers battlefield superiority. But now Taliban has sold all this hardware to the Russians, Chinese and Iran, so they can reverse-engineer it, and we have LOST that battlefield advantage.
Or perhaps that was the Democrat plan all along.
And that will ultimately cost the U.S. military and civilian lives.

As will allowing tens of thousands of Chinese, Russian, Iranian, ISIS, Hamas and other soldiers/terrorists in the country, across our unprotected southern border, to destroy us from within. Every military advisor I've seen discuss it says such an attack is an absolute certainty at this point.
And Biden, far from moving to contain that threat, allows in another 10,000 more illegals and even more "got-aways" every day, with absolutely no resistance or attempt to make that inflow stop.
FACT.

You know what else is "EVIL"?
Letting 9 million illegals into the U.S in the last 3 years., that is enriching the drug cartels and human traffickers, giving them absolute control over the border, rather than U.S. Border Patrol.
And compounding on that evil, at least 30% of all the women and girls (and boys) brought in are raped, or even abducted into a permanent lives as prostitutes. That's easily millions of damaged lives, and Biden is directly responsible for what happens to them, EVERY DAY.
No move by Biden to help or protect them.

You know what else is "EVIL"?
Since Biden has taken office and rarmped up illegal immigration, the number of illegals left to die in the desert, from exhaustion, dehydration, snake bites, or who just can't keep up with their coyote border guides, and are left to die in the desert, has risen to about 1,000 a year, the highest in Border Patrol history, who have to find and pick up their shriveled corpses.

MORE evil :
Deaths from Fentanyl and other opiates are now about 106,000 a year in the U.S. (or the total deaths for both the Korean War and the Vietnam war COMBINED, but not just total, but now hat many EVERY YEAR). That's a lot of ruined lives and dead Americans.
Absolutely no move by Biden or the Democrat-Bolsheviks to stop or contain those immense rising annual numbers.



You desperately look for a way to blame and condemn Trump, M E M, with contrived January 6th narratives.
But the fact is, we were a far more secure nation under Trump, before Biden and the Democrats stole the 2020 election, and unleashed their plans to destroy the country.
And the narrative you try to front about what was ultimately a MINISCULE EVENT on Jan 6th, vastly exaggerated by Democrats, for pure propaganda narrative purposes.
Especially in contrast to the ACTUAL casualties of Biden's policy, THOUSANDS of dead, over the last 3 years I just cited above. And that's not even a complete Biden casualty list.

Your narrative attempt reminds me of :

Quote
BULLWINKLE: Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.
ROCKY: Again ?!? But that trick NEVER works....

Your cheap stunt is the same type of weak attempt.
And deserves to be taken with the exact same level of seriousness.
After hundreds of other Democrat and liberal-media attempts over the last 8 years, each saying "No really !! THIS time we're giving you the silver bullet that will end Trump's political viabiliy and give Democrats the political advantage. No really. HONEST!"
But every time, it turns out to be a canard, and turns to shit. EVERY TIME.

[Linked Image from c.tenor.com]

Fail.
Well I think you’ve made it clear you’re with Trump no matter what. You are Lucy with the football. However Trump’s actions on Jan 6 were evil. You just choose protecting and supporting that evil. He was the commander in chief and he didn’t try stopping the violence until after someone was shot. You have lies that Trump is never going to perjure himself in court with and a special counsel that now reportedly has testimony from his inner circle that shows Trump being the monster he’s always been.
.

Oh SH*T! This Is Why They're JAILING Jan 6 Protesters, It All Makes Sense Now - Russell Brand



I'm with the FACTS, wherever they lead. And the FACTS all support Trump.
As your party's vicious Orwellian narrative continues to unravel.

I've deconstructed your lying narrative about a billion times now. And there's more evidence every day, every week, that what your side is selling was always a lie, was always visible as a lie, even when the Democrat-Bolsheviks, and George Orwell's liberal media first launched it.
And it's just that much more undeniable now.
Lucy you’re not fooling anyone. Trump could have tried stopping the violence much earlier on Jan 6. You know that. If you don’t like the facts you find alternatives. Like here for example you attack the media source but you also add that if that fails then it’s time to attack those people that were around Trump during that day if they tell the truth. It took Trump hours to ask his people to leave and after someone being shot in the capitol. Why? What would make that acceptable for any commander in chief?
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Lucy you’re not fooling anyone. Trump could have tried stopping the violence much earlier on Jan 6. You know that. If you don’t like the facts you find alternatives. Like here for example you attack the media source but you also add that if that fails then it’s time to attack those people that were around Trump during that day if they tell the truth. It took Trump hours to ask his people to leave and after someone being shot in the capitol. Why? What would make that acceptable for any commander in chief?

You and your factless robot talking points.

Trump authorized 20,000 National Guard troops to protect Washington Square and the Capitol on January 6th. The Democrats obstructed that protecion, and THEY cause the riots and violence, what little occurred.

Trump in his 12 noon speech on January 6th said "I know in a few minutes you'll all be walking over to the Capitol, to PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support..." for the Republican House and Senate members LEGALLY challenging the rigged 2020 election, according to prescribed Constitutional procedure to challenge an election.
The same way Democrats TRIED TO dispute elections in 2000, 2004, and 2016, but without a Senator to back any House Democrat on the allegation they tried to pull.
Trump had far more evidence of election tampering.

Trump throughout the afternoon of Jan 6th, every 20 or 30 minutes, urged his supporters to "remain PEACEFUL !"

And when there was finally confirmation that a few rioters breached the Capitol (led by undercover FBI, DHS and Antfa, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, NOT by actual Trump supporters) Trump within a very short time prepared a video statement, saying he sympathized with his supporters' frustration that they were not given a fair hearing to debate the Electoral vote, but that even remaining near the Capitol peacefully at this point would be portrayed badly by Democrat leadership and the liberal Newspeak media. That even peacefully staying would serve no purpose, and to just go home.
Which ACTUAL Trump supporters immediately did.

Whether Trump took 45 minutes or an hour or an hour and 20 minutes to air that video statement is a completely bogus issue. Trump did everything he could be expected to do to prevent rioting, and to stop rioting when it did occur.
Trump did not "incite" a riot, he did the exact opposite, he tried to prevent a riot at every stage.
You're a lying Democrat zealot, and you will say anything to smear and damage Trump.

And in the tradition of the Moscow Central Committee, you and other Democrats are repeating your lying narrative with deceitful repetition, on the strategy it will be believed, by at least some uninformed rabble out there, to decrease Trump's voter base in Nov 2024.

  • Members and front organizations must continually embarass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist or Nazi or anti-Semitic. The association will, after enough repetition, become "fact" in the public mind.
    --Moscow Central Committee, 1943


Deception and false narrative is the first and last impulse of any Democrat-Bolshevik.

Just as it is the nature of the communists they worship, from the Frankfurt School, to Saul Alinsky, to William Ayers and the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers (all Soviet funded, by the way). To the murderous authoritarian regimes the Democrat/Left worship, in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and elsewhere. A Democrat ideological love for these Marxist regimes easily confirmed in the writings and speeches and graduate papers of Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, A O-C and the "Squad", on down.
And a radical ideology shared by everyone who serves on their administrative staff.
The entire vicious deceitful Democrat-Bolshevik party. And I've quoted them praising these murderous communist regimes repeatedly here.
Funny but those Moscow rules look like your playbook. Gay nazi is one of your faves. Trump waited hours before telling his people to leave. You with your lack of morals find that just peachy. Got it Lucy
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Funny but those Moscow rules look like your playbook. Gay nazi is one of your faves. Trump waited hours before telling his people to leave. You with your lack of morals find that just peachy. Got it Lucy

"The gay nazis" is not a term I invented.
Since at least the 1980's it's been a half-joking term for gay activists who use violence and intimidation to silence any opposition to gay political goals.

Before the creation of Fox News in 1995-1996, there was an incident in New York public schools where a leftist superintendent and a group of teachers pushed books like Heather Has Two Mommies, and Daddy's Roommate, and conservative parents in the district were incensed, and succeeded through protest and voting at PTA meetings in getting the superintendent fired, and the books removed from the school system's curriculum and library. The parents were threatened, and there was actually at least one car-bombing, to intimidate the parents who pressed the issue, and there were many. I saw this reported on the 700 Club, in an era when it was virtually the only place you could see a conservative perspective and that exposed the omitted facts on mainstream television.

More recently, there is intimidation of anyone who opposes transgender indoctrination in schools.
And also gay/leftist /trans intimidation of parents, teachers and athletes who oppose allowing transgender males into womens' sports.
NONE of those threatened, or forced to fortify themselves in a college classroom for hours, waiting for rescue by police from prolonged violent gay protester attacks, would deny the existence or the use of the term "gay nazis". That is just a fact.


Re: your lyingly saying "Moscow rules look like your playbook."

That would require a lot of explanation on your part, to make the slightest fucking sense.
SHOW ME where I or anyone I agree with on the conservative side, engages in ANY violence or threats to intimidate into silence those on the liberal side.
Those Marxist//Democrat/Soviet/Bolshevik tactics occur COMPLETELY on the Democrat/Leftist side in the U.S.

There have been at least two Trump supporters who have been killed by Democrat radicals in the last few years.
And Hodgekinson (a Bernie Sanders political volunteer), the shooter at the Congressional baseball game, who came very close to killing several Republican congress members and the police protecting them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting#Increased_ticket_sales

As I've quoted many times, since Trump became president there have been violent attacks on Trump supporters on average one attack EVERY DAY nationwide.
There have been attacks on about a dozen Republican Senators and House members in the last 8 years. And further bombings, arson and vandalism of their offices.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green (R-GA) and Rep. Mat Gaetz (R-FL) have been repeatedly threatened, and Green over Christmas 2023 was "SWATTed" again (calling police with an anonymous call, alleging a violent hostage situation, sending police with guns drawn to her address, intended to potentially get Green or her family or staff killed). Green said this is the 8th time this has occurred against her.
About 2 years ago, Matt Gaetz had a phone call where an anonymous caller (call recorded) said he was going to kill Gaetz, saying, "I can kill you anytime from 200 yards away, turn your head to pink mist, make it explode like a watermelon..."
FBI was called (the 97% Democrat FBI) who investigated and found the guy. But incredibly, didn't think it warranted even arresting the suspect.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era

https://www.westernjournal.com/blms-mostly-peaceful-riots-cost-1000x-damage-jan-6-capitol-unrest/

https://americandefensenews.com/2021/07/12/capitol-riot-vs-blm-riots-which-caused-more-harm/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/attacks-republicans-trump-violent-rhetoric/

I love the pathetic attempt on your part to flip the narrative, and accuse your Republican political opposition of EXACTLY what you yourselves, the vicious Democrat-Bolsheviks, are the ones truly guilty of.
Democrats are violent marxist radicals, who OPENLY WORSHIP AND QUOTE Lenin, Stalin, Fidel Castro, Che Gueverra, Mao Tse Tung, Hugo Chaves, and Saul Alinsky.
And yet you have the audacity to allege that it is Trump and Republicans who are lapdogs of Putin and the Russians, with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Meanwhile, it is DEMOCRATS who have enabled and embraced Russian, Chinese and domestic communists since before World War II, and right up to the present, From the FDR and Truman administrations, to the 1960's radicals and the Vietnam anti-war movement, to Senator Ted Kennedy who secretly met with the Russians and urged them not to make a nuclear peace deal with the Reagan adminisration, to John Kerry and other Democrats who acted treasonously during the Vietnam war, and did the same right up to the Persian Gulf War, and as Kerry is currently still doing in negotiating wih Communist China. To Obama's Cultural Marxism and worship of Anti-Colonialism (his [i]Dreams From My Father[i] autobiography), Critical Race Theory, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Derrick Bell, Saul Alinsky, ACORN, and his participation in the plot to overthrow the Trump administration using FBI, DOJ, CIA and other intelligence agencies.
And ironically, these Marxists ACCUSE TRUMP and his supporters of being insurrectionists and lapdog stooges of the Russians.

80 years of Democrat Bolshevism...
https://anncoulter.com/2007/11/07/mccarthyism-the-rosetta-stone-of-liberal-lies/

So...

The lying propaganda narrative that Trump supporters are violent radicals, is easily disproven by the actual facts.
YOU'RE the Democrat-Bolsheviks, the party of Marxism, "Democratic Socialism" (Bernie Sanders and A O-C), Black Lives matter, and Antifa.

It is DAMN clear who the dangerous violent radicals truly are. And it's the Democrat-Bolshevik party that embraces Marxism, BLM, Antifa, open borders, transgender fanatics, and now Hamas terrorism.
You watched maga people beat the shit out of law enforcement on Jan 6 and then proceeded to portray the rioters as the true victims along with Trump who waited hours to ask his people to leave. (not an issue for you) You have shown me and proven who and what your values are WB over and over again. You talk about swatting and death threats but it’s only an issue if it’s a republican. These days Trump can joke in front of his followers about someone’s husband being brutally beaten with a hammer to laughter and applause. Your version of greatness.

Btw never said you created the term gay nazi but you use it as per your Moscow rule book.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You watched maga people beat the shit out of law enforcement on Jan 6 and then proceeded to portray the rioters as the true victims along with Trump who waited hours to ask his people to leave. (not an issue for you) You have shown me and proven who and what your values are WB over and over again. You talk about swatting and death threats but it’s only an issue if it’s a republican. These days Trump can joke in front of his followers about someone’s husband being brutally beaten with a hammer to laughter and applause. Your version of greatness.

Btw never said you created the term gay nazi but you use it as per your Moscow rule book.

You're absolutely full of shit, and the FACTS confirm that what you're saying is a lie.
As I just linked, it is THE DEMOCRATS who have an 80-year history of Marxism and Russian/Communist ideology and Moscow Central Committee deceptive political tactics.
https://anncoulter.com/2007/11/07/mccarthyism-the-rosetta-stone-of-liberal-lies/

I've cited and sourced over and over, where the FBI sent "at least" 20 undercover agents into the crowd, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters on Jan 6th.
That DHS also admits they sent AT LEAST 20 undercover agents on Jan 6th, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters.
That DC Metro police sent AT LEAST 10 undercover officers on Jan 6th, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters.
That John Earle Sullivan and his Antifa group from Salt Lake City also went into the crowd on Jan 6th, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, and openly bragged in their videos about planning to trick Trump supporters into committing violence, and video of the Antifa members boasting THEY would commit violence themselves, and get it blamed on Trump supporters. That they were in the room where Ashli Babbit was killed, stoking both sides, both the protesters and the police to atack each other. I would lay money that every person smashing the glass doors and outside door-size Capitol building windows were either FBI or Antifa.
And ha it was either rabidly anti-Trump FBI agents, or rabidly anti-Trump Capitol police officers like Michael Fanone and Harry Dunn who took away the police barricades, to trick Trump supporters into entering the Capitol building, and in police uniforms (as shown in multiple videos) holding the double doors of the Capitol open wide for them to enter, and standing like an honor guard as Trump supporters walked past hem in the halls inside. No attempt by police to protesters' presence inside the Capiol, or to make them leave. Only weeks later were these PEACEFUL Trump supporters, who were INVITED IN the Capitol, subjected to 6 AM FBI-raid arrests in their homes, with AR-15's pointed at heir heads, and laser-sight red dots pointed at them, their wives and their children.

And that just like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot in Michigan in the months before Jan 6th, FBI undercover agents were infiltrated in among the Proud Boys and the Oth Keepers, one FBI agent shared a hotel room with the leader of Oath Keepers. And like the Whitmer kidnapping plot, undercover FBI agents were the ones who pushed for violence, and brought the battle plan for violence on Jan 6th, that Oath Keepers didn't create, and didn't follow, but they are blamed, rather than the FBI and Antifa false-flag operatives who ACTUALLY DID THE VIOLENCE .

The lynchpin, proving what I say :

Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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Ted Cruz grills FBI assistant director Jill Sanborn, about FBI agents on January 6 2021 rally



That pretty much destroys the "Trump supporter insurrection/ domestic terrorist threat" narrative, with a single 2-minute series of questions.
It makes clear the sleazy way the FBI framed Trump supporters, to falsely label them as "domestic terrorists", where she absolutely refused to answer, in a way that looks like Jill Sanborn exercising her First Amendment right to not incriminate herself and her agency for crimes.

  • CRUZ: "Did FBI agents or informants actively participate in the January 6th events, yes or no?"
    SANBORN: "Sir, uh, I can't answer that..."

    CRUZ: "Did any FBI agents or informants commit crimes of violence on Jan 6?"
    SANBORN : "I can't answer that sir."

    CRUZ: "Did any FBI agents or informants encourage or incite crimes of violence on January 6th?"
    SANBORN: "Sir, I can't answer that."


That's it.
Game over. GAME OVER.

Exposed.
In recent months it's been proven there was no armed insurrection, that FBI or other law enforcement did not find or confiscate a single firearm on Jan 6th.
FBI has confirmed there was no organized violence, just a few random acts that could more accurately be described as some minor rioting, not any evidence to support a national insurrection narrative.
We've seen that the leader of Oath Keepers shared a hotel room with an FBI undercover agent, and it was this agent that gave the battle plan to Oath Keepers for Jan 6th.

That there were "at least 20" un-indicted co conspirator undercover FBI agents (as exposed by Revolver News, from the FBI's own investigative reports of Jan 6th) , who were in the crowd, and in the videotaped examples of Ray Epps and others, were trying to stoke the protesters to violence that they had no interest in committing.
That when these "at least 20" agents were exposed by Revolver News, the FBI suddenly wiped their wanted photos from the FBI website, and never pursued or arrested them.
While simultaneously and with incredible irony, jailing grandmas who only walked inside the Capitol that day, maliciously imprisoning them in harsh conditions for over a year in jail and counting, in isolation with no lawyer or trial, while the ACTUAL inciters and violent offenders are hidden and protected by the FBI.

And now Jill Sanborn is asked directly if these were FBI agents who were already previously established to be present, were in fact participants and EVEN THE PLANNERS AND INSTIGATORS OF THE VIOLENCE , and she evasively refuses to answer, in a way that is basically an admission of guilt by the FBI.

The 97% Hillary Clinton-donating DOJ/FBI was weaponized to frame Trump and his supporters for violence that FBI agents themselves planned and orchestrated, to frame Trump and his supporters.

Game over.
The "right wing terrorist/insurrection" narrative is dead.
And the over-reach of an oppressive Democrat-loyalist Deep State FBI who ACTUALLY planned and executed it at every stage, is fully exposed.

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Nope, if your shit was really anything that could stand up in court, Trump and maga land would have done it already. Instead it’s the other way around. You know Trump could have asked his people to leave earlier on Jan 6 though and you support that he didn’t. Your morals=the partisan gutter.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Nope, if your shit was really anything that could stand up in court, Trump and maga land would have done it already. Instead it’s the other way around. You know Trump could have asked his people to leave earlier on Jan 6 though and you support that he didn’t. Your morals=the partisan gutter.

Rigged cases dismissed by Democrat-appointed judges, and either deep-state Republican-appointed judges who look the other way. Or intimidated Republican-appointed judges, who don't want the same treatment as Rudy Giuliani and Alan Dershowitz and Peter Navarro and Michael Flynn and Roger Stone and George Papadapoulos.
And as FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF

It is lawfare, not justice, that each of these people have been fighting.
And while these judges and legislators know what is happening to the January 6th prisoners and to Trump and his officials is unjust, many judges don't want to risk the same lawfare directed against them byvoicing opposition to it, and share a jail cell with these former high officials, and be similarly bankrupted by legal fees proving their innocence.
It's just easier for them to look the other way.

In the case of the January 6th trials and plea deals, the {Democrat-zealot] FBI and DOJ seem to have judge-shopped for the most Democrat-leftist judges, who likewise hate Trump supporters and will eagerly rubber-stamp the most unfair legal overcharging and plea deals. These Jan 6th prisoners are people who have been in terrible conditions, without even clean drinking water, without flushing toilets, without the ability to shave or cut their hair or even bathe, often kept in solitary confinement for prolonged periods, denied due process or access to legal counsel, denied visitation with their wives and children. HELD FOR THREE YEARS NOW WITHOUT EVEN BEING GIVEN A TRIAL OR SEEN ANY EVIDENCE AGAINST THEM. And if they complain about their treatment, or lack of access to a lawyer, or in some cases cancer medication, are beaten in their cells by Trump-hating Democrat guards.

And because you, M E M, are a Democrat-Bolshevik, you have no problem with this.
Al Qaida in Guantanamo have been treated better that these INNOCENT people. Held indefinitely for only "trespassing" on Jan 6h, that should have just been punished with at most a fine. Whereas Antifa and BLM who threw Molotov cocktails in and and burned police cars WITH police still in them, who burned federal buildings, who permanently blinded agents with lasers, violently attacked and and badly injured people (reporter Andy Ngo for example).
But unlike Jan 6th prisoners... over 90% of Antifa and BLM ACTUAL violent offenders, were just set free by the same DOJ and FBI, not even jailed or prosecuted.


And you are again making a bullshit fake argument. Whether Trump responded with his video statement on Jan 6th in 45 minutes of the breach, or in an hour, or in an hour and 20 minutes is just yet another down-the-raabbithole fake Democrat narrative. Trump aired his video quickly, and it made everyone quickly go home. So quickly that even officers around the Capitol were astonished with how quickly the Trump protesters left.
And Trump ordered 20,000 National Guard troops in advance to prevent any violence in the first place, that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Muriel Bowser obstructed from being deployed. THAT is the real source of violence that day, because Democrats WANTED violence to occur that day, to provide them with a "dangerous right wing Trump protesters" false narrative.
Just as Democrat leaders choreographed violence to occur in Charlottesville in 2017. A Democrat mayor, all-Democrat city council, and Democrat state governor, deliberately withdrew police and let the 2 sides clash, and got exactly the violence and "dangerous right wing" narrative they wanted.
The one Democrats purposefully ORCHESTRATED.

And YOUR morals that = "the gutter". You are a piece-of-shit liar fronting slanderous disproven false talking points. Just throwing wet spaghetti against the wall, trying to find a fake narrative that will stick.

There was no January 6th "insurrection". THAT is a proven lie.

There was no "five people KILLED by Trump supporters on Jan 6. THAT has been proven a lie.
Ashlee Babbitt shot by a trigger-happy cop, for no reason (NOT by Trump supporters).
Officer Brian Sicknick who died of a stroke, natural causes (NOT by "bludgeoning with a fire extinguisher", NOT by bear spray or some other chemical allegedly thrown by rioters, the coroners repor clearly said no evidence of these New York Times-created false narratives, that they finally retracted several months later.. So despite several false narratives by the media and Democrats, Sicknick's death was again NOT cause by Trump supporters.)
And now we're seeing that possibly 3 Trump protesters who died that day of a stroke and a heart attack and seizure, initially ruled natural causes, that the 3 of them might have actually been l killed by police repeatedly firing concussion grenades at nonviolent Trump protesters just standing around waving flags, whose pre-diagnosed fragile health made them die from the unnecessary repeated trauma.
NO ONE was killed by Trump supporters, only killed by authoritarian Democrat agents in police uniforms.

The FBI, as clearly stated by Jill Sanborn and by FBI director Christopher Wray in House and Senate hearings, found no evidence of an organized insurrection, and did not even find a single firearm in all of Washington Square.
PERIOD. THE END.

Every false narrative the Democrat-Bolsheviks have tried to float over the last 3 years is now completely disproven by the facts.
And yet you're still repeating the same disproven lies. At this point you are deliberately lying, there is nothing left of your narrative that still has a credible basis, that has not been revealed to be completely false. Other than the fact that you WISH it was true.
Trump watched the violence on Jan 6 and chose to only ask his special people to leave hours after it started and only after one of his people got shot. Any report I’ve read has republicans begging him to ask them to leave. There is no order that Trump signed ordering 20,000 troops either. Your guy lost and threw a tantrum that hasn’t ever ended. You talk of intimidation after seeing the gallows Trump’s special people built for his VP and heard the “hang Pence” chants in the Capitol. Just the tip of the iceberg of intimidation and death threats dolled out by maga land to those who get in Trump’s way. That includes not just elected officials, judges and lawyers but also every day people like election workers. You know this and you supported his thuggery and lies all the way.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Trump watched the violence on Jan 6 and chose to only ask his special people to leave hours after it started and only after one of his people got shot. Any report I’ve read has republicans begging him to ask them to leave. There is no order that Trump signed ordering 20,000 troops either. Your guy lost and threw a tantrum that hasn’t ever ended. You talk of intimidation after seeing the gallows Trump’s special people built for his VP and heard the “hang Pence” chants in the Capitol. Just the tip of the iceberg of intimidation and death threats dolled out by maga land to those who get in Trump’s way. That includes not just elected officials, judges and lawyers but also every day people like election workers. You know this and you supported his thuggery and lies all the way.

You're a broken record, with no facts and nothing new to say.
It was completely false the first 1,000 times you said it. It will remain equally false the next billion times you say it. I've detailed the actual facts over and over and OVER, and you are apparently utterly immune to facts.

Kash Patel is a witness to Trump signing the executive order for 20,000 National Guard on January 6th, and there is plenty of other documentation and witnesses, including DC mayor Muriel Bowser's refusal of National Guard troops IN A WRITTEN LETTER. That is beyond deniability. You are making stuff up, as usual. That doesn't make the actual facts any less factual.

As I recall, Trump spoke from precisely 12 noon to 1:11 PM on the White House lawn on Jan 6th.
Trump said to his supporters "I know in a few minutes, you're all going to walk over to the Capitol and PEACEFULLY and patriotically let your voices he heard", in support of Republican House and Senate members, CONSTITUTIONALLY and LEGALLY and PEACEFULLY challenging the rigged 2020 electoral votes.

There was some violence and vandalism [ by FBI and Antifa false flag agents, *NOT* Trump supporters ] that began outside the Capitol, smashing windows and so forth, 30 minutes before Trump finished his speech, starting about 12:40 PM (Trump didn't finish his speech until 1:11 PM) . This emphasizes that it was not Trump supporters, because the ACTUAL supporters were still 45 minutes away on the White House lawn listening to Trump's speech, and would not have walked over to and arrived at the Capitol until about 1:55 PM.

Breach of the Capitol interior occurred around 2:30 PM.
Ashli Babbitt was shot by Capitol police Lt. Michael Byrd (for no reason) at approximately 2:45 PM.
Trump throughout the afternoon posted Twitter posts every 20 to 30 minutes, instructing protesters to "Remain PEACEFUL !"

Sometime around 3PM there was confirmation that Trump supporters (or false-flag FBI and Antifa, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters) had breached the Capitol.
And Trump released his video statement instructing protesters to go home and leave the Capitol at precisely 4:17 PM
( Biden --or more accurately his puppetmasters, posting on Twitter post in Biden's name--- released a post calling on Trump to instruct his supporters to go home, at precisely 4:06 PM. So obviously, Trump was already preparing his video statement to post on Twitter, while Team Biden made that post. And Trump's video was aired on the news networks immediately after it was posted on Twitter. )

So... you are being ridiculous, and nitpicking beyond belief about nothing. Trump throughout the day instructed his followers to be peaceful, and they were.

And for the billionth time, whether the time till his video statement telling people to go home was 45 minutes, or 1 hour, or 1 hour and 20 minutes, from the time his staff confirmed the breach had occurred, he STILL responded very soon after the breach and did all he could, in a very reasonable timeframe, allowing he time Trump needed to write and videotape and post a video statement for people to go home, doing his part at every stage, to prevent in advance with an executive order for National Guard (ignored by Bowser, Pelosi and Schumer), discourage violence repeaedly throughout the afternoon on social media, to stop the rioting and ell people to go home once he knew rioing occurred.

The only revisionists alleging to be "Republicans begging him to ask them to leave" that day are self-serving RINOs, who alleged this just to get positions as highly paid consultants on MSNBC, CNN, and The View. And that is proven by the highly paid positions they now hold at these networks. They are lying Judases, who have been paid way beyond their 30 pieces of silver.
FACT.

And I see no evidence that the people waving Confederate flags and shouting "Hang Pence" were actual Trump supporters. As the FBI's own reports have made clear, the protest rally was filled with federal and Antifa false-flag agents DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, and these incidents were very inconsistent with the behavior of Tea Party or Trump supporters at any other rally over 8 years. There were undercover FBI agents surrounding the leaders of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, giving them battle plans for violence, pushing them to do violence they NEVER would commit on their own, without FBI staging.
It reeks of being a Democrat-orchestrated false-flag operation, to slander and fragment Trump supporters.

Just as the Hillary Clinton campaign did, funding 2 violent operatives at a Trump rally in 2016. And these 2 thugs were stupid enough to brag about it to Project Veritas, who nationally broadcast the video of them and exposed them, boasting that they were paid by the Hillary Clinton campaign to do the violence, "through a double wall of deniability."

And again, the FBI's doing the exact same thing just months before, with the faked Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot. It was the exact same set-up.
And the wife-beating FBI supervisor who orchestrated the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping frame job, is the exact same guy FBI sent to supervise the January 6th FBI undercover set-up.

You are a liar, M E M. As I proved over and over, SOURCED AND LINKED ABOVE, Democrat/Leftist violence and intimidation is a thousand-fold in real and documented occurrences, of what you even try to even ALLEGE was done by Trump or Republicans.
Yours is the party of Antifa, BLM, open borders, Hamas terrorists, and ulimately, marxist revolution.
FACT.

Your Democrat-Bolshevik party worships Marxists worldwide, and openly emulates their tactics of violence and intimidation. They worship and quote Marxist revolutionaries, as I've cited repeatedly. In the cases of Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Barack and Michelle Obama, and virtually all of their staffers, They are Marxist revolutionaries THEMSELVES.
These are THEIR tactics, not those of Trump or Republicans.

So, in a nutshell, you're a fucking liar.
And I've sourced and linked the true facts over and over, proving that.
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Tucker Carlsson Just FLIPPED The Jan 6 Narrative - Does this Exonerate Trump?


In response to Tucker Carlson's suppressed interview of the Capiol police chief, which would have aired on his show the very day Tucker Carlson was fired.
Believed to be the exact reason Fox abruptly fired Tucker Carlson when they did, in late April 2023.
Russel Brand injects a lot of humor and bombast that makes his arguments fun as well as informative. With his heavy cockney accent, that adds a humorous twist to it as well.

As Russell Brand explains, the police chief (Stephen Sund) in the interview reveals that he was NOT informed by anyone of the presence of undercover FBI (and DHS, and DC Metro police, and Antifa) DISGUISED AS Trump supporters in the crowd on Jan 6th. Very likely because they were the actual ones stoking the violence.

Russell Brand's bullet-points of what we know about January 6th:

  • 1) Dozens of agents and confidential informants from multiple [federal and DC Metro] law enforcement agencies were present [disguised as Trump supporters, among the crowd].

    2) Court documents indicate there were also FBI informants among two of the groups that organized violence on Jan 6, Proud Boys, and Oathkeepers. [And it was these FBI agents, not the groups themselves, that provided that organizaion.]

    3) The FBI has a long history of using confidential informants to entrap people who otherwise would not have committed a crime.

    4) At best, the Jan 6th riot was a massive security failure;
    At worst, [FBI] informants may have the very ones who encouraged rioters to enter the Capitol.

    5) After Jan 6th while establishment Democrats and commentators called for many non-violent January 6 participants to be harshly prosecuted, even charged with "felony murder" , some judges and prosecutors opted for leniency, acknowledging that "the actions of many individual rioters often boiled down to trespassing". [At least 90% of cases, actually.]

    6) At least two FBI whistleblowers [have been] persecuted for concerns over how the January 6 protesters were treated. [FBI agent Steven] Friend expressed concerns about the FBI's use of SWAT teams to arrest January 6 subjects. Within a month of these disclosures by him, the FBI removed Friend's security clearance, and removed him from active duty. And [FBI agent Garret] O'Boyle disclosed that the FBI pressured him to violate the law by opening domestic violence extremism investigations without sufficient basis. O'Boyle was transferred to a new unit, moved his family across the country, and was placed on unpaid suspension the day he arrived.

    7) While [Capitol police chief ] Stephen Sund was begging [on Jan 6th, during the riots] to greenlight assistance from the National Guard [already advance authorized days ahead of he 6th by President Trump, an order obstructed by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer] the needed National Guard troops were "within eyesight" of the Capitol, but by he time the National Guard finally showed up, Sund noted, "New Jersey state police had beaten them to the Capitol.

    8) According o the GAO (General Accounting Office) report, the actions or lack thereof [on advance intelligence of potential violent/terrorist threats] taken up until the Jan 6 riot [FBI and other federal intelligence advance information on threats, NOT shared with Sund and the Capitol police] led Sund to believe that intelligence officials in power were aware of the attack in advance, and covered it up by failing to disseminate the information to those who needed it.

    9) Lawmakers [on the Jan 6th House Committee] didn't want Sund to testify.

    9) In the aftermath of the Jan 6 riot, [House and Senate] lawmakers began to schedule hearings on the security failures, while the [Democrat] fever pitch grew to launch a snap impeachment of the outgoing president [Trump].

    10) "I fought to testify" Sund said, "but they didn't want me to testify in the Senate hearing."



And still pending:

  • 1) Donald Trump is facing 4 charges relating to alleged attempts to overthrow the 2020 election result... with maximum charges ranging from 5 to 20 years in prison.

    2) The January 6 Capitol riot has frequently been compared to the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks. On one hand, the comparison is absurd.
    However, the two events do have some stark parallels.
    Each was an avoidable security failure, received a mountain of fear-inducing media coverage, AND HAS SINCE BEEN USED TO JUSTIFY FURTHER CENTRALIZATION OF REPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT POWERS.

    3) The response to events of January 6th has been marked by a crackdown on dissent: a dramatic increase in anti-protest bills around the country, including at least 88 that have been introduced since the Capitol riot; A massive buildup of the Capitol police into a national force to target "terrorism"; as well as rollout by the Biden administration of a sweeping counter-terrorism strategy.
    In many ways, the response to January 6 may wind up being more dangerous than the event itself.


Answering Russell Brand's own cui bono question: It benefits the Biden administration and the Democrat-Bolsheviks, by giving them the pretense to eliminate their political opposition before the 2024 election, to stay in power, while the polled voters overwhelmingly rejects them, even their own traditional demographic support base. In a Democrat-planned crushing of dissent very similar to the overthrow of Bolsanaro in Brazil, in a similar rigged election and lockdown on dissent.
And similarity to Putin in Russia, Xi Xinping in China, Erdogan in Turkey, and Trudeau in Canada.
All of whom were pioneers of such lockdowns on dissent in their own countries, several of whom enjoy praise from Democrats, for this kind of authoritarian national control.
An opinion also shared by the billionaires who support and fund the Democrat-Bolshevik party.

And the M E M zealots of The Democrat-Bolshevik party are still completely on board.
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Former Capitol Police Chief Stephen Sund, about January 6th -Tucker Carlson interview, 55 minutes
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An editorial by Daily Caller's co-founder about January 6th, published just after Tucker Carlson had released the Capitol surveillance video of police peacefully escorting around "Quanon Shaman" Jacob Chansley.
For a "right wing" publication, I think his views are very fair, weighing the views of both sides.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/09/patel-truth-about-jan-6/

He argues for releasing all the Capitol video surveillance footage, so neither side can argue the footage was selectively edited to bias perception toward one side or the other, but to let the public see the full record, and decide for themselves.
I sound like a broken record because you loyal magas can’t create a false narrative about it. You’re left saying it’s no big deal that he waited hours to ask his people to leave. Ashli Babbitt might have preferred he hadn’t waited. Pretty sure the law enforcement getting wailed on would have also. You can throw as much garbage around and it still doesn’t change that fact. I couldn’t imagine anyone with an ounce of principle thinking it’s really no big deal that the commander in chief wouldn’t have asked his people to leave in situation like that. Someone like yourself however it’s no big deal. He invited his people there and then waited hours before asking them to leave. I watched it happen. You did too.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I sound like a broken record because you loyal magas can’t create a false narrative about it. You’re left saying it’s no big deal that he waited hours to ask his people to leave. Ashli Babbitt might have preferred he hadn’t waited. Pretty sure the law enforcement getting wailed on would have also. You can throw as much garbage around and it still doesn’t change that fact. I couldn’t imagine anyone with an ounce of principle thinking it’s really no big deal that the commander in chief wouldn’t have asked his people to leave in situation like that. Someone like yourself however it’s no big deal. He invited his people there and then waited hours before asking them to leave. I watched it happen. You did too.

Respectfully, yours is the party of Marxism, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and now Hamas. The Democrats are the UNCHALLENGED MASTERS of propaganda , deception and false narratives.
Absolutely beyond denial. You've mastered those decepion tactics learned from the marxist propagandists you openly WORSHIP.
Deception is the first and last impulse of every elected Democrat and their strategist consultants.
The Democrats are the party that admires and emulates AND OPENLY QUOTES Mao Tse Tung, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Hugo Chaves, and in the U.S., Saul Alinsky, William Ayers, Wade Rathke and other Marxist radicals. From the lowest levels of their staff, on up to The Obamas and the Clintons (Barack and Hillary both enthusiastic disciples of Saul Alinsky and Culural Marxism).
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/barack-hussein-obama/
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/michelle-obama/
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/hillary-rodham-clinton/
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/bill-clinton/
https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/bernie-sanders/


And as I said, regarding Trump and the Capitol riot call for protesters to go home, you are nit-picking over a matter of minutes of response time, over a video Trump posted instructing protesters to go home. As I PRECISELY quoted from an NPR (liberal media) timeline, Biden tweeted for Trump to call off protesters at 4:06 PM, and Trump (already producing it) posted his video at 4:17 PM.
It is a desperate smokescreen attempt by you to attack Trump on ANYTHING, in order to change the narrative from how Biden and the other Democrat-Bolsheviks are destroying the country:
  • skyrocketing inflation on groceries, gas and everything else,
  • skyrocketing interest rates on home mortgages, so that 90% of the country now cannot afford to buy a home and pay DOUBLE the interest rates they were paying back just 3 years ago when Trump was president.
  • Open borders, illegals and criminals pouring into our country and exhausting welfare services needed for U.S. citizens.
  • Biden declaring war on fossil fuels, so now we don't have oil and natural gas to sell to European nations. So after Jan 2021, these countries became dependent on Russian oil and natural gas, and the hundred billion a year in new revenue from that new supply stream completely funded Russia's war in Ukraine.
  • AND the U.S., previously oil-independent for the first time in 72 years under Trump, is now once again dependent on hostile nations like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia. Who by the way, aren't taking Biden's phone calls when he calls begging them for oil we no longer produce ourselves, PRECISELY BECAUSE OF HIM.
  • Biden draining our strategic oil reserves, AND SELLING IT FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR TO CHINA, AS CHINA PREPARES FOR WAR WITH US.
  • The Afghanistan witthdrawal fiasco, leaving our allies to be slaughtered, leaving at least 1,000 Americans behind to be slaughtered or taken as hostages. Leaving behind $85 BILLION in our best military equipment, planes, tanks, guns, artillery, helicopters, night-vision goggles, for hem tto sell to the Iranians, Russians and Chinese to reverse engineer. hat has taken away our technological advantage. And all of which emboldens all the other emerging wars I mentioned above.
  • Biden's not enforcing Trump's sanctions on Iran has allowed Iran, that previously had been drained down to 4 billion in financial assets, and allowed them to gain another $80 billion since Biden took office in Jan 2021, that Iran has using to fund wars and terrorism throughout the middle east , in Southern Lebanon, inGaza, in the West Bank, with the Houthis in Yemen, and in the last 2 days, expanding ino another conflict with nuclear-armed Pakistan. Plus over 110 attacks on U.S. military bases in Iraq and Syria. As Biden just sits on his hands and lets it happen.
  • And waiting in the wings, China flying a dozen military flights over Taiwan, in preparation for an invasion THERE as well, another war.
    That bought and paid for "China Joe" Biden likely do absolutely nothing to stop.
  • And a wide open southern border, with an estimated 9 to 12 million illegals already overwhelming every one of the 50 states. And likely at least reaching a cumulative 15 million by the end of he year. Along wih criminals, human traffickers, drug cartels, prisoners released from prisons and mental asylums of nations worldwide, every security expert inerviewed says this human flood across our border also includes terrorists and military saboteur squads, if not entire military divisions, to attack us from within ou own country.


Chaos, on every front, excused and dismissed by transparent lies from every corner of the Biden administration.

So, M E M, Baghdad Bob, whatever your name is, don't pee on me and tell me it's raining. Every American in this country who isn't a Democrat-Bolshevik knows you guys are pissing on us.
And the lies you front to pretend otherwise are an insult to our intelligence.
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And in addition to the "Twitter files", double-voting, fake-registered people from out of state voting, the Republican dead rising to vote Democrat, illegal immigrants voting, Dominion voting systems rigging votes, and other "muliple streams of election fraud", THIS....

How Mark Zuckerberg helped Dems sway the 2020 election






Bu that's not the end of it. For 2024, Zuckerberg is launching an expanded wave of elecion inerference :

Infamous ‘Zuckbucks’ Group Tries To Election-Meddle Again in 2024 — This Time With Federal Tax Dollars
I’m sure it looked good bringing up Biden’s attempt to get Trump to act like decent human being but Biden was still a private citizen. He didn’t know Trump would just sit and watch the violence on tv and let it go on. He actually tweeted this at 3:20 when it became very evident that Trump wasn’t doing the right thing.


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I’m sure it looked good bringing up Biden’s attempt to get Trump to act like decent human being but Biden was still a private citizen. He didn’t know Trump would just sit and watch the violence on tv and let it go on. He actually tweeted this at 3:20 when it became very evident that Trump wasn’t doing the right thing.


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I call on President Trump to go on national television now to fulfill his oath and defend the Constitution by demanding an end to this siege.


https://www.npr.org/2022/01/05/1069...nfolded-including-who-said-what-and-when

Originally Posted by WB
And as I said, regarding Trump and the Capitol riot call for protesters to go home, you are nit-picking over a matter of minutes of response time, over a video Trump posted instructing protesters to go home. As I PRECISELY quoted from an NPR (liberal media) timeline, Biden tweeted for Trump to call off protesters at 4:06 PM, and Trump (already producing it) posted his video at 4:17 PM.
It is a desperate smokescreen attempt by you to attack Trump on ANYTHING, in order to change the narrative from how Biden and the other Democrat-Bolsheviks are destroying the country:
[ long list of Biden failures and deliberate destruction of the nation, since Jan 20 2021 ]


President Trump on January 3 2021 gave an executive order for up to 20,000 troops to defend Washington Square from any possible rioting or violence on January 6th.
Washington DC mayor Muriel Bowser flat-out refused this offer or troops, IN WRITING.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer likewise prevented this deployment.

On Jan 6th, smashing windows and other rioting OUTSIDE the Capitol began about 12:40 PM

Trump gave his speech on the White House lawn from 12 noon till 1:11 PM (So his ACTUAL supporters, would have not yet been at the Capitol, would have been far away listening to Trump, would have left the White House lawn and walked over to the Capitol and arrived there 45 minutes walking distance later, about 1:56PM. Not to be confused with the false-flag undercover FBI, DHS DC Metro police, and Antifa DISGUISED AS Trump supporters who arrived and started trouble earlier. )
Some clashing with police outside the Capitol was first detected about 12:53 PM, and was phoned in to Capitol police chief Stephen Sund (as he said above in his video interview with Tucker Carlson)

Some minor rioting breached the Capitol building interior about 2:15 PM

The incident where an unarmed Ashli Babbitt was shot (FOR NO REASON) by Capitol police Lt. Michael Byrd occurred at 2:45 PM

From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#Federal_officials'_conduct

  • At 2:26 p.m., D.C.'s homeland security director Chris Rodriguez coordinated a conference call with Mayor Bowser, the chiefs of the Capitol Police (Sund) and Metropolitan Police (Contee), and DCNG [DC National Guard] major general Walker.
    As the DCNG does not report to a governor, but to the president, Walker patched in the Office of the Secretary of the Army [McCarthy], noting that he would need Pentagon authorization to deploy. Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, noted that the Pentagon needed Capitol Police authorization to step onto Capitol grounds.
    Metro Police chief Robert Contee asked for clarification from Capitol Police chief Sund: "Steve, are you requesting National Guard assistance at the Capitol?"

    To which Chief Sund replied, "I am making urgent, urgent, immediate request for National Guard assistance".
    According to Sund, Lt. Gen. Piatt stated, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background".

    Sund pleaded with Lt. Gen. Piatt to send the Guard, but Lt. Gen. Piatt stated that only Army secretary McCarthy had the authority to approve such a request and he could not recommend that Secretary McCarthy approve the request for assistance directly to the Capitol.

    The D.C. officials [chief Sund, and DC chief Contee] were subsequently described as "flabbergasted" at this message. McCarthy would later state that he was not in this conference call because he was already entering a meeting with senior department leadership.[239]
    General Charles A. Flynn, brother to the controversial General Michael Flynn, participated in the call.[356][357]
    By 3:37 p.m., the Pentagon dispatched its own security forces to guard the homes of senior defense leaders, "even though no rioters or criminal attacks are occurring at those locations."
    Chief Sund later opined, "This demonstrates to me that the Pentagon fully understands the urgency and danger of the situation even as it does nothing to support us on the Hill.



So acting only to protect themselves, Pentagon military bureaucrats acting as fast as they could, took until 3:37 PM to deploy troops to protect their own homes.
Trump gave a video post for protesters to "go home" at 4:17 PM


And the exact time from the first beginnings of breach into the Capitol (2:15 PM), till when Trump aired a video statement for everyone to go home , was at 4:17 PM.
That's 2 hours and 2 minutes total response time.

Given all these EXACT times, Trump at every stage, from executive ordering up to 20,000 National Guard , to his 12 noon- 1:11 PM speech instructing his supporters "you'll be going over to the Capirtol now to PEACEFULLY and patriotically voice your support" for Republican House and Senate members inside LEGALLY challenging he Electoral vote count, to his social media posts every 20 to 30 minutes continuing to instruct his supporters to "remain PEACEFUL", to his 4:17 PM video statement to go home, that alone probably took him at least 30 minutes to compose, video-record and uplink to Twitter... based on all the above acts by Trump to insure peaceful protest, I think it is ridiculous, RIDICULOUS for you to continue to allege Trump is some kind of criminal who was somehow callous and negligent and responsible for what happened.

These are the known approximate exact times.

The delay-time till when knowledge of events on the ground, and confirmation of accuracy of these events reported were actually known by Trump or other public officials above them , means they could have taken 30 minutes or an hour to know for sure whether any events they were hearing of were accurate.

And again, if not obstructed by Muriel Bowser, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer, the Naional Guard would have been deployed in advance of Jan 6th, and any disruption at all would have been impossible.

Why don't you BLAME THESE DEMOCRATS, M E M?
WHY ?!?
Because they are inconvenient to your lying narrative, THAT's why.

Trump acted responsibly at every stage to prevent and discourage violence and rioting. He encouraged only peaceful protest.
THOSE are the facts.
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A few more exact times :

After then-President Trump gave his social media video for his supporters to "Go home" at 4:17 PM, police around the Capitol were astonished at how quickly they left.

Again, from the NPR timeline, and other timelines published.
By 6 PM the protesters were gone.

Also at 6 PM, National Guard troops FINALLY arrived, AFTER the protesters had already left Washington Square and the Capitol.
At 7 PM, Capitol police searched every room for protesters (already gone) and confirmed the building was re-secured.
At 8 PM, with the Capitol again secured, House and Senate members were re-admitted, back into THE EXACT SAME ROOM they had begun the electoral count hours earlier, no damage to the room. The electoral count proceeded, and was finalized just before 4 AM.

No panicpanic"INSURRECTION !!!"panicpanic
No destructtion or permanent damage, or even visible damage. A few exterior windows broken (probably by false-flag FBI disguised as Trump supporters, windows that by my own experience take less than an hour to replace.

As opposed to the ACTUAL insurrection, and PERMANENT destruction caused by BLM, Antifa and other Democrats in 600 cities in the weeks after the George Floyd protests, beginning in May 2020. A police precinct station looted and burned to the ground. Five square miles of businesses looted and burned to the ground, in Minneapolis alone. And duplicated in 600 cities nationwide.
An ACTUAL insurrection.
ACTUAL mass destruction.
ACTUAL PEOPLE KILLED, not by police or Trump supporters, but by the Leftist rioters.

Likewise the several blocks around then-President Trump's White House, where 50 Secret Service agents were seriously injured, and a historic church burned.
Trump's walk across the street from the White House to the burned church, hated by Democrats and the liberal media, was precisely done to force the liberal media to display the damage in their broadcast news video coverage, that they would otherwise have selectively ignored and hidden.

The siege on the White House was so real, and so close to being over-run, that Secret Service had to move President Trump elsewhere to a more secure location.
You often have to go outside U.S. media to see it covered accurately.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52874652

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/se...ground-bunker-amid-george-floyd-protests

THAT was an organized "seige" or "insurrection".
The Jan 6th events at the Capitol were not.

And again, while the May 2020 BLM siege on D.C. endangered the President inside the White House, it was still just one of 600 city-destroying riots occurring simultaneously nationwide.

Which by the way, VP Kamala Harris and other Democrat leaders supported, through a Minneapolis bail fund, to let out the most violent rioters to do even more damage.
Not one Democrat leader condemned he BLM /George Floyd violence and destruction. Quite the opposite, virtually all openly endorsed it.

If you want to talk about encouraging and not preventing violence, M E M. rolleyes
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"The Deep Rig" -documentary, 1 hour, 46 minues
https://rumble.com/vkr43u-the-deep-rig-trumpwon.html



A documentary that cites multiple investigators, computer forensics experts, former military and intelligence field experts on CIA, NSA and communist-orchestrated insurrections used to overthrow foreign governments. All were asked to investigate insurrections by Antifa, and v,erify security of state voting machines, hired to investigate various threads of suspicious activity, taking them on a trail that led them to Dominion voting systems, and other NGO pseudo-grassroots insurrectionist participants in the 2020 presidential election.

The same methods the CIA and other intelligence agencies have used to undermine and overthrow foreign governments worldwide since 1945, these same intelligence agencies are now using to rig the last few elections here in the U.S..
As well as the 2000 BLM riots nationwide in roughly 600 citties, and the open borders movement. It mentions that George Soros and other marxist/socialist and globalist groups and billionaires are funding these NGO groups with enormous amounts of dark-money cash, as are the Russian and Chinese governments. To de-stabilize, weaken and overthrow the United States.
And the Democrat-Bolsheviks are all on board with this.
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WEEKLY BRIEFING (on OAN), COL. PHIL WALDRON, DISCUSSING ANTRIM COUNTY (MICHIGAN) EVIDENCE OF ELECTION TAMPERING
https://rumble.com/v3qf894-122720-weekly-briefing-christina-bobb.-col-phil-waldron.html



I notice looking back through the topic, that many of the links I've sourced from Youtube regarding Col. Waldron have been deleted. Obviously by Democrat/Leftists at Youube, who want to conceal the evidence of election fraud in the 2020 election. Because Waldron is among the most persuasive in the data and knowledge he presents. In the military, he specialized in counter-insurgency, in rconducting or perventing cyber-hacks and computer attacks, and on "info-wars", or enemy manipulation of news media in the U.S. and other countries, as part of their war effort.
Retired from the military and working as a systems security consultant, Waldron first became involved in the 2020 election, when as a private consultant, he was asked by the state of Texas to investigate whether Dominion voing machines were secure enough for the state of Texas to purchase and use. Waldron and his team investigaed and found they weredefiniely not safe
or secure from hacking. And Waldron successfully discouraged Texas from buying Dominion machines.
Waldron and his staff also tried to warn the Federal Elections commission, DHS, and other federal agencies, but were completely ignored.
As Waldron said in testimony, "as if they wanted election fraud to occur."

As I linked here as they occurred, Col. Waldron was part of the legal presentation of evidence of election fraud in all of the 6 contested states (Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada) and a few other states in November and December 2020, when Rudy Giuliani and Trump's other lawyers met legislators (state Senators, and state House members) in each of these states for hearings. I posted most or all of them over the past 3 years, and Youtube has deleted all of them.
But they can't delete the same video from Rumble.

Christina Bobb hosted this weekend show on OAN for about a year. Prior to that, she had several legal positions within the U.S. Department of Defense, and DHS.
And since she left OAN after the election, she has been a lawyer and spokesperson on the Trump legal team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Bobb
(her listing on Wikipedia is dripping with liberal venom and puts Wikipedia's liberal bias on full display, against Bobb, against Trump, and asserts a number of things that are absolutely NOT true or accurate)

Col. Waldron describes 3 recorded Dominion software downloads onto Dominion voting machines, DURING and after the 2020 election, and a "glitch" that flipped 6,000 votes in this one small town, from Trump to Biden ...

ERIC COOMER, DOMINION VICE PRESIDENT AND HEAD OF SYSTEMS SECURITY (and Antifa member, who has endlessly posted his hatred of Trump and Republicans on social media) :
"Trump isn't going to win, I made fucking sure of that..."


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Enough with the cope, man. He lost. The evidence you attempt to pimp has meant shit in a court of law. Cry harder.
Originally Posted by iggy
cry Enough with the cope, man. He lost. The evidence you attempt to pimp has meant shit in a court of law. Cry harder. cry

Every week that goes by, there is more evidence that the Democrats rigged the election.
The reason more are not investigating is because the Democrat and establishment Republican /RINOs used their power to prevent any investigation, or prevented court cases that would show the evidence that exists.

And now "The 65 Project", that threatens to bury in lawsuits, legally bankrupt, or put in jail anyone who sides with Trump, to dispute the 2020 election.
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...yers-who-worked-on-trumps-post-election/

Gee, why are judges and lawyers not pursuing cases to investigate what actually happened in Nov 2020 ?
I can't imagine. rolleyes

No one who wants to avoid being bankrupted by lawsuits, put in jail, or lose their law license thanks to lawfare.
Even legal scholar Alan Dershowitz says this suppression is immoral and un-American.


POINT OF FACT: Despite how hotly disputed the Nov 2020 election was, there was no attempt to ease those suspicions of half the country by doing a large-scale investigation and disproving those suspicions. As a result, over 50% of the country increasingly sees the 2020 election as illegitimate.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebec...fected-outcome-of-2020-election-n2597481

As I've said repeatedly,
1) the FBI sent teams of agents to investigate some guys in pickup trucks waving flags at a Biden campaign bus on an interstate highway,
and
2) FBI agents were sent to investigate a "noose" hanging in a black Nascar driver's garage, that turned out to be a pull-rope that had been there 10 years before this driver ever used that garage.

But the event it made sensefor DOJ and FBI to investigate and either confirm or disprove, they just oddly ignored.
Despite plenty of election irregularities, and overt evidence of election fraud. Atlanta Democrat election officials creating a fake water pipe bursting, the fabricated excuse for the Atlanta election center send Republican vote observers home, while Democrats stayed in the Atlanta center and counted votes all night (and cheated).
And lo and behold, Biden had a sudden immediate spike in votes during that exact time period. Votes in secret boxes pulled out from under tables in the Atlanta center, once Republican observers were sent home.
Likewise, a U-Haul truck pulling up (captured on security video) outside the Detroit voting center. Followed by a similar instant spike in votes for Biden in the Detroit center.

Teams of FBI agents investigated the above two piddly alleged incidents with pickup trucks, and a Nascar garage door noose.
But the most important event of the year, if not the century, verifying the integrity of our compromised 2020 presidential election, went completely un-investigated by DOJ, by FBI, by the Federal Elections Commission, by every major newspaper, and by every major news network.

And anyone who did investigate, or even asked any questions, was branded as a "conspiracy theorist", who is "undermining democracy" by even asking, or was directly threatened or indicted. Just ask Peter Navarro, Rudy Giuliani, Alan Dershowiz, Jenna Ellis, Elise Stefanik, or many others attacked by the 65 Project to destroy their reputations and legal careers.

Likewise, as I cited earlier, state Senators and state House members in the contested states were similarly threatened if they challenged the election.

Your infantile taunts and insults can't begin to explain that. Moron.

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It seems fitting that you listen to Dinesh, someone that actually committed voter fraud. One more hateful uber partisan voice telling you what you want to hear.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It seems fitting that you listen to Dinesh, someone that actually committed voter fraud. One more hateful uber partisan voice telling you what you want to hear.

lol lol lol

Ohhh, PLEASE !

We both know that D'Souza's was a very selective prosecution by a 97% Democrat FBI, that litterally thousands of Democrats were NOT prosecuted for, who did the exact same thing.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/19/editorial-selective-prosecution-of-dinesh-dsouza/

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Selective prosecution of Dinesh D’Souza
Liberals take revenge on a conservative documentary producer


By THE WASHINGTON TIMES - - Monday, May 19, 2014


Lady Justice’s blindfold sometimes slips. No argument about that. But now she has thrown it aside to prosecute — some would say persecute — Dinesh D’Souza, a successful conservative author and filmmaker, on flimsy charges of violating campaign finance law. Whether guilty or not, the fact that Mr. D’Souza has been singled out for prosecution while others skate past freely reveals President Obama’s thumb on the famous lady’s scale.

Mr. D’Souza, a sharp but respectful critic of the president, goes on trial Tuesday in a federal courtroom in Manhattan charged with using “straw donors” to bypass federal campaign finance limits. These are the limits that the U.S. Supreme Court has been finding incompatible with the First Amendment. Nevertheless, prosecutors say Mr. D’Souza arranged for others to donate $20,000 to the 2012 U.S. Senate campaign in New York of Wendy Long, a personal friend. By reimbursing them, they allege, he circumvented the $5,000 legal limit. He faces the prospect of two years in prison for what his lawyer calls “an act of misguided friendship.”

Life in the Third World teaches some people to despise America, but not Mr. D’Souza. He embraced the promise of freedom when he arrived in America as an exchange student from his native India. He found his political home among conservatives at Dartmouth College in the 1980s, and strengthened his convictions at the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute and the Hoover Institution. Unabashed in his faith, he wrote several books of Christian apologetics including “What’s So Great about Christianity?” which made him an icon of the right and a pain in the nether regions of those on the left.

Mr. D’Souza’s relentless criticism of the effect that Mr. Obama and his relentless campaign to transform America into a close semblance of failed cultures elsewhere has put the filmmaker in the prosecutorial crosshairs. He wrote “The Roots of Obama’s Rage” in 2010 and produced “2016: Obama’s America” in 2012, the second-highest-grossing U.S. documentary film ever. He is, say his lawyers, “a sharp critic of the Obama presidency who has incurred the president’s wrath.”

Indeed, four Republican senators wrote to FBI Director James Comey in February, pointing out how convenient it was to use the Justice Department to take out one of the administration’s most prominent critics. The senators quoted Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, a liberal who said, “I can’t help but think that [Mr. D’Souza’s] politics have something to do with it… . It smacks of selective prosecution.” U.S. District Judge Richard Berman swept away such objections last Thursday, saying “the court concludes the defendant has respectfully submitted no evidence he was selectively prosecuted.” It’s clear who’s wearing a blindfold now.

The Justice Department that would imprison Mr. D’Souza for two years for giving unfair advantage to a friend’s political campaign declined to prosecute members of the New Black Panther Party for threatening white voters with nightsticks at a Philadelphia polling place in 2008. Moreover, Mr. Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign was itself fined $375,000 in 2013 for failing to disclose millions of dollars in contributions and missing deadlines for refunding millions in excess contributions. No one was threatened with prison for that. (That was different, of course.)
Whether Dinesh D’Souza is found guilty or not guilty, there’s scant doubt that in Mr. Obama’s America, Lady Justice has retired her blindfold and pledged her sword to the president.

Same thing with the FBI's Hillary Clinton investigation of her illegal computer e-mail server.
Same thing with FBI investigating Hillary Clinton's negligence causing the Benghazi attacks in 2012.
Same thing with FBI's investigation of the Clinton Foundation's pay-to-play scheme, where the Clintons racked up $150 million, by selling State Department access, in exchange for millions donated to the Clinton Foundation by hostile foreign governments. Including brokering the Uranium One deal to Russia, that alone compromised national security. Among many such deals.

FBI prosecuion of Republican Senator Ted Stevens (a hustle by the FBI) unanimously reversed on appeal by the U.S. Supreme Court, but only AFTER Stevens' senate seat was handed over to a Democrat by the scandal, by a 97% Democrat FBI.

FBI malicious prosecution of Scooter Libby (for a crime Libby was not even guilty of, it was Richard Armitage who came forward and said that he believes he was the one who inadvertantly gave the puzzle pieces to columnist Robert Novak, that allowed Novak to discover Valerie Plame was a CIA agent.
EVEN AFTER Armitage revealed himself, Libby still sat in jail, FOR YEARS, until pardoned by President Trump.

Over and over, FBI maliciously prosecutes Republicans to the hilt for political reasons, and over-charges to extort them into plea deals for crimes they didn't commit, or otherwise spend decades in prison.

And simultaneously, over and over, FBI deliberately scuttles the cases against Democrat political leaders, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, to give them a free pass and protect them from indictment and conviction, for far worse crimes. Hillary Clintton. Bill Clinton. Barack Obama. Joe Biden.

And so is the case of D'Souza. His case was just an excuse to overcharge and imprison an Obama political opponent.
In similar cases, other defendants did not even do jail time, just paid a fine.


And D'Souza is not a "hateful uber partisan voice". Far from it.
With humor and journalistic/academic cited sources and notes, he just matter-of-factly presents evidence that is inconvenient to the Democrat narrative.
THAT is what you and the rest of the Democrat-Bolshevik Left get so upset about, is that D'Souza and other conservative authors and media have any voice at all, and are able to present their facts to the public, and punch holes in your vicious lying narratives.

On the subject of "hateful uber partisan voices", D'Souza is never the angry fire-breathing demagogue you see in Keith Olbermann or Ed Schultz, or Chris Mathews, or Rachel Maddow.
Or Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC, who openly fantasized on the air that Biden could send a CIA assassination team to kill Donald Trump at Mar A Lago. She was not taken off the air, did not receive any punishment from her network for these remarks, incredibly.
Similarly the harpies on The View suggested that Biden could send a drone attack to kill Trump.
These are network anchors and pundits, openly inciting assassination of a recent and campaigning future president. Who receive no admonition or punishment, which emboldens more such rhetoric, and such actual violent acts.

And then for a whole summer, a team of actors in the play Hamilton stabbed Trump to death on stage in effigy several times a week, for the whole summer. And news pundits of the Democrat/Left and Democrat late night talk show hosts cheered it on, all summer.

You were saying something about "hateful uber partisan voices", M E M ?
THAT is hate.

Not to mention the many executives and campaign volunteers working for Bernie Sanders and multiple other Democrat House and Senate candidates secretly interviewed and caught on video by Project Veritas, similarly voicing their hatred of Republicans, and their wish to see them harmed or put in Gulags "for re-education" Soviet-style.

Similarly executives and mid-level employees for Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media companies, also recorded by Project Veritas, ALSO voicing their hatred for Republicans and the need to see them silenced, or violently killed or put in Gulags.

ARE YOU SEEING A PATTERN HERE, ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT/LEFT ?

Or the PBS senior legal department attorney (also caught on camera by Project Veritas) who envisioned using HHS to take away the children of conservatives, and giving hem to leftist foster parents, to be indoctrinated away from conservative values of their parents, and into the Leftist/Democrat "right way of thinking".

Hate, M E M ?

You know all this, and because you are such an indoctrinated leftist shithead (you weren't always, but you sure are now), you don't have the slightest problem with any of that.
Your only problem is that these Democrats GOT CAUGHT, are exposed for the Bolshevik and potentially genocidal lunatics they are.
Chillingly, your only concern is how to hide those facts, to punish and slander and silence the conservatives who exposed these undeniable facts, caught on video, verbatim, these exact undeniable words.
Rather than pull away from the fanatics who said them, YOUR only instinct is to attack and silence the conservatives who EXPOSED these undeniable words of hatred.

And all too often, violent ACTS by Democrats, not just violent words:


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/attacks-republicans-trump-violent-rhetoric/

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

https://www.conservapedia.com/Left-wing_violence_in_the_Trump_era


But you, like an indoctrinated leftist shithead, are all on board.

And yet have the audacity to accuse D'Souza and other Republicans of "hate".
Irony, that. Piled up to infinity.
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
AGAIN: It has been PROVEN that the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop since Dec 2019, and verified the information on it by Feb or March 2020 at the latest (as sourced and reported by John Solomon, JustTheNews). So all the 51 intelligence officials who alleged the Hunter Biden laptop was "Russian disinformaton" are the liars, the election WAS rigged, irregardless of Fox's settlement with Dominion (a case they could have eventually won, but chose to settle).

AGAIN: It has ALSO been proven that the "Russia Dossier" during the 2016 election was false, that the only Russia collusion was by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC, who paid millions to Russian agents for the disinformation in it to slander Trump, that even James Comey to Donald Trump on Jan 5 2017 said the Russia Dossier is "salacious and unverifiable". Another Democrat attempt to rig the 2016 election, just as they did in the 2020 and 2022 elections.

AGAIN: It is ALSO proven that the fraudulent Russia Dossier was used to file **FOUR** illegal FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page's phone and online communications, and by FBI surveillance authorized by that, being able to go "two contacts deep" on two layers of everyone Carter Page communicated with, and everyone in the second layer of contactswith him communicated with, to SPY ON THE ENTIRE TRUMP CAMPAIGN for 6 months up through the 2016 election. And then another 6 months of FBI/FISA surveillance on the inaugurated TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IN THE WHITE HOUSE !
Further, FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith was convicted of falsifying evidence about Carter Page (Page had been cooperating and sharing information for years with the CIA about the Russians, but Clinesmith changed a CIA document, to make the document say the exact opposite, in a falsified letter alleging that Carter Page had NOT cooperated and shared information with the CIA, when in the original unaltered letter it said Carter Page *DID* cooperate and stare information with the CIA, and therefore was a proven patriot and not a Russian collaborator. ) The Clinesmith-altered document was submitted to a FISA judge, to illegally obtain FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page, and through him to surveil the entire Trump campaign (6 months) and the Trump presidency (a second 6 months of FISA surveillance by the FBI). All of which was done by submitting false evidence for the FISA warrant to a FISA court judge. In an FBI Democrat-Bolshevik attempt to rig the 2016 election.

AGAIN: It is ALSO proven via the "Twitter Files" that Elon Musk and several journalists exposed, that FBI and other intelligence agencies KNEW the Hunter Biden laptop information was absolutely true (knew from Dec 2019 right up though the Nov 2020 election) , but used their power as Democrat-Bolsheviks to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop information that proved the Bidens were treasonously receiving millions of dollars for years from Russia, from Ukraine, from China, to compromise national security of the United States.
Former FBI executive James Baker (in Oct-Nov 2020 an executive for Twitter, but still a Democrat-Bolshevik spy in that position for the FBI) used his position to silence and suppress information from the New York Post that in every poll says 15% of Democrats, if they knew then what they know now, would **NOT** have voted in Nov 2020 for Joe Biden.

And just in the last few days...
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...chief-blinken-triggered-letter-discredit

Morrell and Blinken are PROVEN, by Morrell's own admission, to have rigged the election. Just because the minor part where Dominion Voting Systems has managed to intimidate witnesses and prevent evidence from that portion of the 2020 election rigging from being fully proven, does NOT prove that the election wasn't rigged. Quite the contrary, there is abundant evidence it WAS rigged, on multiple fronts.

Despite the unhinged Democrat/leftist hatred of Iggy and millions of other Democrats who try to brainwash themselves otherwise.
The facts are right there in your face.
Period. The End.

So... all the stuff that was dismissed as wild "conspiracy theory", has been proven to be conspiracy FACT, with the evidence reported for all to see.

1) FBI knew the Hunter Biden laptop was NOT "Russian disinformation" (a laptop with e-mail conversations and evidence of Joe Biden and the entire Biden family having received millions in treasonous payments to sell out the United States, at present proven to have been at least 43 million dollars in payments from China, Russia, Ukraine, Rumania and other nations. Democrat-Bolsheviks in the FBI and DOJ buried the evidence that a Manchurian candidate Biden was guilty of treason, hid the evidence so he could win a rigged 2020 election.

2) Former FBI, CIA and NSA officials, who had moved on to executive positions at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media platforms, did the bidding of these federal agencies and their Democrat-Bolshevik masters, in suppressing social media discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop evidence, presented by the New York Post and other conservative media, from being spread and shared and discussed on social media, by falsely labelling it "Russian disinformation", information they knew to be true and accurate.
Just so a corrupt Democrat could replace Trump and become president.

3) Mike Morell and Anthony Blinkin conspired and led the plot to have 51 intelligence officials sign a false letter that further labelled the Hunter Biden laptop story as "Russian disinformation", that suppressed 15% of voters in 2020, who say if they knew about the evidence of the Hunter Biden laptop evidence, they would not have voted for Biden. And Trump would still be president.

Which is all clear authoritarian / Deep State abuse of federal power, that ALONE abundantly proves the 2020 election was rigged.

That's not even getting into the already abundantly discussed evidence of "multiple streams of election fraud" by Democrats in every battleground state in 2020.
Boxes of fake votes (ON VIDEO SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS) pulled out from under tables in Atlanta, and counted all night, AFTER the Republican vote observers were tricked into going home with a lie about a water main breaking, and onlt Democrats were present. And a security camera to catch it.

Votes counted ( on Security video, showing a Ryder truck pulling up to the Detroit vote counting center), again after Republican vote observers were tricked into going home, and Democrats brought in a massive truckload of secret bags of fraudulent ballots, and counted fake votes all night long.

Similarly in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Arizona vote counting centers, Democrats used Covid rules to push Republican observers out of the counting room, so they could rack up illegal fake votes for Biden, and manufacture a narrow "victory" for Biden in each of these states. All after 3AM, all after Republican vote observers were deceitfully pushed out. In each of these states, Donald Trump was winning the election up until 3AM, at which point Democrats crawled out of their dark holes and rigged the election.

And of course, Eric Coomer, vice president of security for Dominion Voting Systems: "Trump isn't going to win, I made fucking sure of that." Said on a zoom call with his Antifa brethren. Observed by an investigator who managed to infiltrate the Antifa zoom call.

Every employee of Dominion on their social media accounts identified as far left, supporters of Antifa (including Coomer himself !), and/or the Clinton Foundation, that they scrubbed evidence of from their personal social media pages AFTER thee 2020 election.
And by the oddest coincidence, Dominion shared office space with Soros-funded groups.
Multiple states, including Michigan, Vermont, Montana and Arizona all did investigations of Dominion voting machines, and found they were compromised and rigged.

Col. Phil Waldron and other cyber-security experts were contracted to investigate by the state of Texas, to determine whether Dominion machines were safe to use in Texas election. But when they each investigated, they were alarmed at how easy to hack and rig they were, and Texas followed their advice and did not use them.

All evidence that has come to light.
It can no longer be dismissed as MAGA fantasy. Beyond question, the 2020 election was rigged.



It bears repeating:

All the stuff hat was dismissed as "conspiracy theory 3 years ago, has all turned ou to be verifiable conspiracy FACT, in multiple cases admitted by the Democrats who pulled the puppet-strings.
I see that the rule of law only matters to you if it satisfies your partisan desires. So a liar that actually engaged in voter fraud is okay with you because you see them on your side.
I can't wait to see the cope when Trump fails to get anywhere near the 74.2 million he got in 2020. I wouldn't put it past Wondy to start threatening harm to himself or others.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I see that the rule of law only matters to you if it satisfies your partisan desires. So a liar that actually engaged in voter fraud is okay with you because you see them on your side.

I just gave extensive FACTS to prove that your side lied.
And BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION, and by many other sources, there were a least 20 undercover FBI agents disguised as Trump supporters hidden in the crowd on Jan 6th.
By their own admission as I linked, there were at least 20 DHS agents disguised as Trump supporters hidden in the crowd on Jan 6th.
By DC Metro'ss own admission, there were at least 10 DC Metro police officers disguised as Trump supporters hidden in the crowd on Jan 6th.

And on top of that, at least 20 Antifa from Salt Lake City, led by John Earle Sullivan, disguised as[/i] Trump supporters, and in heir own videos openly gloat how they would commit violence and vandalism and get Trump supporters blamed for it, gloat even they would mislead Trump supporters to follow them into violence.
Sullivan and his Antifa group were in the room where Ashli Babbitt was shot, and Sullivan approached cops (in video his group posed online) posing as a reporter, saying "Hey, I don't want to see you guys get hurt, I've seen a lot of officers hurt today..." stoking their fear and making them trigger-happy, minutes before Ashli Babbitt was shot. And that Sullivan and his Antifa group videotaped that shooting FROM TWO DIFFERENT ANGLES ! They caused it, they staged it to happen.


So... that's at least 70 people there who were NOT Trump supporters, who were only there to FRAME Trump supporters.
There were only about 60 acts of violence or vandalism on Jan 6, beyond the 90% there who were only guilty of trespassing and are in jail for. And even that much they were tricked into, by FBI agents and police who moved away the barricades before they arrived, and ENCOURAGED them to go inside the Capitol.

And those 70 are just the false-flag "Trump supporter white supremacists" that Democrat-Bolshevik federal agencies and police HAVE ADMITTED TO.

And at least some off them were FBI agents who were also previously part of the Gretchen Whitmer fake kidnapping sting narrative.
As I said, the corrupt FBI supervisor of the Whitmer kidnapping sting, instead of being fired for that fiasco, was then sent by the 97% Democrat FBI to D.C., to set up the fake "January 6th insurrection" fiasco narrative.


And then there's :

The Covid-19 multiple false narratives.
"The vaccine prevents Covid" was a lie.
"Social distancing 6 feet to prevent Covid" was a lie.
" Covid started in a Wuhan wet market" (rather than the Wuhan Research Lab and Fauci's NIH and CDC, where it truly began, in a man-made gain-of-function experiment) was a lie.
Wearing a mask to prevent infection was a lie.

The "Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian disinformation campaign" was a lie. A PROVEN lie, admitted by the guy who collected the 51 signatures for the it l
https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/ex-ci...etter-for-biden-to-use-as-during-debate/

"The 2020 election was not a rigged election" was a lie. I've posted dozens of linked sources that punch holes in the Democrat narrative.


These are just some of the PROVEN lies from the Democrat-Left, and their brethren in George Orwell's liberal media, propping up those false narratives.

So who are the liars, M E M ?
Clearly it is YOUR side.

But here I am trying to reason with you, as if you were not utterly immune to logic and facts.
THERE IT IS: three years of links, to sourced facts and evidence I've posted here, across multiple topics, that you like to pretend doesn't actually exist.
Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi and the "Twitter Files".
Miranda Devine, the New York Post, and her book on it, The Laptop From Hell.

How much more proof do you need?

I guess you and Iggy just like being lied to.
Or you enjoy being Marxist propagandist liars, propping up false narratives. You're just too dug in ideologically to ever admit the truth.



Originally Posted by iggy
I can't wait to see the cope when Trump fails to get anywhere near the 74.2 million he got in 2020. I wouldn't put it past Wondy to start threatening harm to himself or others.

translated:

Originally Posted by Iggy
panicNyah nyah nyah, fuck you, fuck your mother, asshat, doofus, etc., etc.panic

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls
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It's infuriating to see the false narratives that are still being pushed in liberal media about the January 6th protests.

About the deaths that da.
About the purely Democrat-narrative political imprisonment and exaggerated false charges and plea deals forced on literally over 1,000 people who at most just walked inside the Capittol, either because the police (or undercover FBI and DHS agents, disguised as either police or Trump supporters) moved away the barricades.

Or because (as shown in many videos from that day) uniformed DC Metro police officers inside the Capitol openly invited the protesters inside, tricking them into entering the Capitol. After which FBI then later arrested them at gunpoint by SWAT teams in their individual homes nationwide in 6 AM raids, so they could be portrayed in a DOJ/FBI narrative as "dangerous white supremacist terrorist insurrectionists".
When the Jan 6th protesters could have simply been called by FBI and asked to appear with an attorney at an appointed time. Pure Democrat-Bolshevik theare, THAT was the true purpose, NOT any actual "insurrectionist" threat.

And really, if the Jan 6th protesters had actually done something wrong, their trespassing at the Capitol should have at most warranted just a small fine of a few hundred dollars each, as is the norm of trespassing charges, no imprisonment, no indictments. But again, there was a deceitful larger sinister purpose and narrative it fed.
The Trump supporters' alleged "federal crimes" were exaggerated by a [url=https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/10/26/report-97-percent-doj-employee-political-donations-went-hillary-clinton/]97% Democrat[/'url] weaponized FBI to be "insurrection" and "obstructing a federal procedure", precisely toward that narrative purpose.

Meanwhile, at least half a dozen similar or even far more uncivil or violent DEMOCRAT protests that have invaded the Capitol in the last 7 years, before and since Jan 6th, such as at the Brett Kavanaugh nomination hearings, or multiple environmentalist invasions of the Capitol, have not resulted in a single similar arrest or conviction.



Or more recently, at President Biden's recent 2024 State of the Union address, where the grieving father of one of the 13 U.S. Marines who were pointlessly killed in the fiasco Biden directly caused at the Afghan airport, during the disorganized chaos of Biden's ordered withdrawal. The grieving father had an outburst during the SOTU address, and interrupted Biden.
He was arrested and charged, with YEARS in prison for those grief-stricken words.

But when someone similarly interrupted Donald Trump's state of the union address, he was simply escorted out, no arrest, no prosecution or threat of years in prison.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-walk-out-state-of-the-union_n_5e3a3ceec5b6d032e76bc080
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gold-star-dad-steve-nikoui-arrested-heckling-biden-sotu-address
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dc-attor...i-disruption-congress-during-sotu-speech
https://nypost.com/2024/03/19/us-ne...er-heckling-biden-at-state-of-the-union/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-trial-iowa-caucus-twitter-a9317751.html



I was particularly astonished by the Left-leaning Wikipedia's listing for the 5 victims who died on January 6th, that STILL ignores the abundance of facts revealed since the initial month of the Jan 6 2021 event, ignoring those facts, in favor of a Democrat-serving false narrative:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-walk-out-state-of-the-union_n_5e3a3ceec5b6d032e76bc080



As contrasted with the suppressed facts I just read on a conservative site, that detail facts of an orchestrated framing and malicious prosecution of January 6th protesters, in sharp contrast to other more overt and plainly-declared ACTUAL insurrections by Leftist protesters, and even by Democrat House members and leaders. Never arrested, never prosecuted, as the many peaceful protesters of January 6th were.
And the federal agents who ACTUALLY committed violence on Jan 6, or attempted to incite Trump supporters into, were never held accountable, never even named :

https://www.conservapedia.com/J6_Capitol_protests

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The 2021 Capitol protests also known as the J6 FBI false flag attack on the U.S. Capitol, or Fedsurrection, consisted of a diverse group of American patriots of different races, backgrounds, and cultures protesting the electoral college certification of the fraudulent 2020 presidential election who were entrapped by the FBI on January 6, 2021.
FBI assets dressed as Trump supporters were inside the Capitol before the Capitol Police opened the doors and welcomed citizens inside the building.[3]

The Washington Examiner in an article entitled FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6 states:

  • “ The Cambridge Dictionary defines “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence”
    By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the FBI. Reuters reports:

    The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."
    This report is a devastating blow to President Joe Biden and Democrats, who have attempted to make the existence of an “insurrection” on Jan. 6 a key issue in the 2022 midterm elections. Reuters does note that some “cells of protesters,” including members of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, did coordinate to “break into the Capitol,” but the FBI found “no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside.”[4]



An FBI-coordinated false flag operation began vandalizing the Capitol premises during the peaceful protests.[5]
At least three unarmed peaceful protesters were killed by Capitol Police.[6] No police officers were ever charged with homicide.

A small group of provocateurs led by Ray Epps breached a police line outside the building. Unruly provocateurs proceeded to smash windows and enter the building. National Guard reinforcements had been refused by Speaker Nancy Pelosi days earlier[7] which President Trump had approved in preparation for the events.[8] United States Capitol Police then invited a crowd into the building[9] while simultaneously halting the proceedings and evacuating members of Congress.

Despite the MSM blaming the breaking and entering on President Trump, falsely accusing him of "inciting" the situation, strong evidence has suggested the storming to have been the result of infiltration and entrapment by the FBI, along with Antifa and paid protesters.[10][11][12] More than 400 peaceful protesters were held in barbaric and tortuous conditions without bail and access to legal counsel for at least a year.. No one was ever charged with insurrection.

CNN and NBC paid BLM/Antifa terrorist John Sullivan $70,000 for his services inside the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.[13]

Ray Epps, a key instigator and provocateur caught on film, and video, was never arrested or charged.[14] His 'Wanted by the FBI' photo was removed from the FBI website.

The following day, former Ukrainian strong man Petro Poroshenko, who was installed in the Deep State-backed Maidan coup, tweeted about a quid pro quo, that Joe Biden would owe Ukraine weapons and support because of a “window of opportunity opening” for Ukraine.[15]

Democrats invited the cast of the Broadway musical Hamilton [in which Donald Trump is killed in effigy nightly on stage inn the performance], via Zoom, to celebrate the anniversary of the false flag attack.[16]


And also listed as January 6th false-flag "agents provocateur", a least some agents of the Secret Service :

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Secret Service

Roger Stone has testified,

"shortly after the President’s speech, there was a call from the Secret Service, offering to escort me to the head of the march and up to the Capitol which I declined. By the way two pastors, two reverend protestant ministers, and a police officer overheard all of that. Those are called witnesses."[55]

So Secret Service agents tried to trick Roger Stone (someone closely associated with Donald Trump) into showing up at the Capitol, to connect Stone with the FBI-orchestrated "January 6th insurrection".
But Roger Stone ended up not going to the Capitol despite their pushes to go, and thus they were unable to frame him, and by extension, further frame Trump with the "insurrection" narrative.

and

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FBI / DHS Agents provocateur :


The federal government had undercover agents or confidential informants embedded in several groups. A study by Revolver News of unindicted co-conspirators listed throughout the various charging documents found the un-indicted co-conspirators appear to be much more aggressive and egregious participants in the so-called “conspiracy”.[51] Most of these unindicted co-conspirators are associated with the three alleged "militia groups" targeted by the federal government, Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters.

Thomas Caldwell is a 65-year-old from Virginia and an alleged member of the Oath Keepers, which the DOJ refers to as a “paramilitary” or “militia” group. A careful read of the indictment against Caldwell reveals that a certain “Person Two” was a key co-conspirator alongside Caldwell in nearly every dimension relevant to the charges in question. Person Two planned logistics with Caldwell days in advance of 1/6, stayed in the same hotel room for days together, and when Caldwell allegedly “stormed the barricades” into restricted areas outside the U.S. Capitol, Person Two is alleged to have “stormed the barricades” right beside him. In arguing defendant Caldwell should be denied bail, the DOJ cites Caldwell’s “leadership role in planning the events of January 6” as including “finding lodging” for Person Three. They even explicitly refer to Person Three as “a third co-conspirator.” “Person Three” reserved and paid for various Oath Keeper hotel rooms. Indeed, the curious lack of indictments filed against the entire gamut of Persons referenced as playing leadership roles within the Oath Keepers on 1/6 raises red flags. This includes: Person 2, Person 3, Person 10, Person 14, Person 15, Person 16, Person 19 and Person 20, along with many co-conspirators listed only as “an individual.”

Among such individuals is the alleged administrator of the “Stop the Steal J6” Zello channel.[53] The DOJ point-blank says this Zello channel administrator “directed the group” as it was carrying out the alleged Capitol attack. If the group is carrying out a conspiracy as the defendants are charged with, this Zello channel administrator is directing the conspiracy in real-time. Yet the Zello administrator was not charged.

It appears that the individual who set up the Proud Boys’ communications infrastructure is being protected by the DOJ. The DOJ refers to this person only as “UCC-1” (UCC meaning an explicitly spelled out “un-indicted co-conspirator”). UCC-1, as well as two additional unindicted co-conspirators referred to only as “Person-One” and “Person-Two” in the Proud Boys indictment, were all in Proud Boys “upper tier leadership,” and appear to have been the most prolific planners and incendiary advocates of “insurrection” in the run-up to and on the day of 1/6. The DOJ cites statements made almost exclusively by unindicted co-conspirators as statements that “revealed a plan to storm the Capitol and to let the crowd loose.”

In December 2020 a former Green Beret and Republican congressional candidate was contacted by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF). The Green Beret released video surveillance of the FBI contacting him at his home and an audio recording made at a local restaurant of his actual meeting with the FBI. Federal agents attempted to recruit him to spy on patriots and everyday Americans. The lead was provided directly to the FBI by Facebook.[54]

So ultimately... the puppetmasters who actually planned the "insurrection" are hidden by FBI, not arrested, protected by a corrupt FBI, and not even named in FBI investigative reports as "Persons" and "UCC" (Unindicted Co-Conspirator) informants, who were actually far more than just informants.

While innocent people who were tricked into entering the Capitol, who were just peaceful Trump-supporters, were jailed for long periods, overcharged, kept in awful conditions that amount to torture, beatings by guards, and denied basic civil rights. FRAMED for crimes they did not commit, just to give the Democrat party, and the Democrat-weaponized FBI agency, a false political narrative, a number of whom arrested have been tormented into suicide.
Or at the very least, bankrupted by legal fees, had their homes foreclosed and business lost because they were jailed indefinitely and unable to work and earn income, about 40% of whom are still in jail.
FOR WHAT ?!?

Just to feed a Democrat-Bolshevik narrative.
Or to maliciously and vindictively punish and hurt innocent Trump supporters, just because these hard-Left Democrats in federal jobs hate them and disagree with them.

Once again, I recommend the two 1-hour documentaries on Newsmax that repeat frequently, Day of Outrage and Shame of a Nation, both of which are on again after midnight tomorrow (late Sunday/early Monday) at 2 AM and 3 AM.

On before it from 12 midnight to 2 AM is another good documentary I previously DVD recorded, he Plot Against he President, about how FBI, DOJ, CIA and other deep state agents in intelligence agencies worked together since at least early 2016 to frame Donald Trump and others of his administration with the "Russia Collusion" false narrative, first to prevent Trump from winning the election in 2016, anf then to destroy his presidency once elected. Based on a book about it by Lee Smith.
And how it in addition directly involved Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton, and many others in their staffs, in what should be prosecuted crimes.
Karl Rove call Trump on Jan 6 bullshit

Those that attacked law enforcement on Jan 6 are not hostages.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Karl Rove call Trump on Jan 6 bullshit

Those that attacked law enforcement on Jan 6 are not hostages.


Karl Rove has sold out Republican conservatives, and joined the ranks of Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Joe Scarborough, Mark Steele, Nicolle Wallace, the Lincoln Project RINO-Republicans (formerly McCain campaign consultants, sabotaging McCain's 2008 campaign from within), White House staffer Cassidy Hutchinson, and another Trump employee Stephanie Grisham who leveraged attacking Trump into a panelist job on The View
ALL of them, every one, are sell-out whores who have turned attacking Republicans into a cottage industry, that has gotten them highly-paid anchor/consultant positions on liberal networks, daily attacking other Republicans.on network TV.

Before Rove began attacking Trump, the liberal media hated Rove, HATED him, and could not say enough about how eeeeeevil and Hitler/Goebbels-like he was.

An example from 2010...
https://truthout.org/articles/the-lies-of-karl-rove/

But now that Karl Rove has joined the other side and become an anti-Trump propagandist, you vicious liars cannot sing his praises loudly enough.
Because he is now parroting your false narrative. NOT with facts, but with his deep-state Uni-Party RINO talking points opinion.

Which puts him on the same level as James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, and John Brennan (all similar discredited propagandist deep state -ers, all criminals whose federal abuses are clear, but instead of in jail where they belong, are protected so they can mouth their poisonous Democrat narrative every night on CNN and MSNBC. )


THE FACT REMAINS :
Well over 100,000 people attended the January 6th protests, in voiced opposition to count of the rigged electoral votes, and pushing for investigation of the abundant evidence of irregularities in the Nov 3 2020 presidential election. TheyPEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY protested for delay of the Jan 6th electoral count, to CONSTITUTIONALLY challenge and investigate the integrity of that election.



It is an ABSOLUTE FACT that there were "a least 20" (that FBI ADMITS to) undercover FBI agents disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd.
Likewise "at least 20" (that they ADMIT to) undercover DHS agents disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd.
And "a least 10" undercover DC Metro police officers, disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd.

And at least 20 Antifa activists led by John Earle Sullivan, who were also disguised as Trump supporters in the crowd, who OPENLY BOASTED in their many videos all over the internet that they would commit acts of vandalism and violence, and giggled in their posted videos they would get Trump supporters blamed for their own acts, or even trick Trump proesters into committing bad acts right beside them.
I can think of only TWO Trump supporters who did so: the Alabama guy Richard Barnett (sentenced to 4.5 years in jail) who put his feet up on a desk for a photo (urged to pose for it by 2 unidentified men, likely "un-indicted co-conspirator" undercover FBI agents who set him up) in Nancy Pelosi's office.
And the Florida guy who stole Nancy Pelosi's podium, Adam Johnson, who was sentenced to 75 days in jail.
And NEITHER of those are violent acts that should have warranted more than a fine or a week in jail.
Even in the case of the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and so forth, these groups were given the battle plan for that day by undercover FBI agents, one of whom shared a hotel room with the Oath Keepers leader. it was a set-up all the way. Just like the FBI's kidnapping sting operation to grab Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, where the FBI came up with the kidnapping plan, the financing, and the van, and basically tricked a few guys to go along with a plan they never dreamed of, guys who otherwise couldn' find heir owwn asses wih 2 hands and a flashlight. The Trump hating wife-beating, sex-club-swinger who supervised the Whitmer kidnapping fiasco... WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR THAT... was then sent to Washington DC to set up the Trump supporers on January 6th.



And now... there are over 1,100 PEACEFUL January 6th protesters who have been held indefinitely in jail for no reason, for OVER 3 YEARS, without trial, without legal counsel in many cases, without presented evidence against them of having committed any crime.

And as I said before, Jill Sanborn (assistant director of the FBI's counter-terrorism division, leading the Jan 6th investigations) and FBI director Christopher Wray BOTH UNDER OATH IN SENATE TESTIMONY, when asked by Sen Ron Johnson, by Sen.Ted Cruz, by Sen. Rand Paul, "Did you have undercover FBI agents in the crowd tha day? Did undercover FBI agents orchestrate vandalism or violence on Jan 6th? Did FBI agents committ violence themselves on Jan 6th?"
To each of these questions, Sanborn and Wray each time said "Senator, I can't answer that."
Which is a pretty clear admission that YES, FBI agents were disguised as Trump supporters, DID incite the crowd, DID commit violence and vandalism themselves, FBI orchestrated all these things to happen, NOT the actual Trump supporters they framed.



It is also a fact that someone dressed as a police officer (probably FBI, and photographed in other articles and photos I've linked) was repeatedly firing concussion grenades into crowds of PEACEFUL protesters outside the Capitol.
People just standing around waving flags, and the guy firing concussion grenades was deliberately trying to stampede them and CREATE chaos and violence at the peaceful protest. It has been investigated by citizen journalists and conservative papers like American Greatness and Rebel News, showing photos and video evidence of the crowds that day, that the three other Trump supporters who died that day, who were diagnosed before the event with fragile heath, Kevin Greeson (55) who died of a heart attack, Benjamin Philips (50) who died of a stroke, and Rosanne Boyland (34) from some other kind of seizure, that it is argued were actually killed by multiple concussion grenades fired at them that caused them to die, when they otherwise would not have collapsed and died at the Capitol protest rally.

It is DEEPLY offensive for you, M E M, to imply that these 1,100 people were criminals who somehow deserved indefinite incarceration for over 3 years in the worst conditions (and in 3 cases, death from concussion grenades) just for PEACEFULLY protesting that day, as is their Consitutional right, to legally challenge an election.
At worst, the barricades were moved aside by police-uniformed men ( NOT Trump supporters) that tricked Trump supporters to go in areas they did NOT know were restricted. In this case, these 1,100 protesters would be guilty of trespassing at worst, punishable by a small fine, not imprisonment, and certainly not imprisoned indefinitely for over 3 years.
But were, in truth, just victims of entrapment.
Many other uniformed Capitol police officers (clearly shown in MULTIPLE VIDEOS) opened the double doors and INVITED IN peaceful protesters who walked around peacefully and took some selfies, and then were later arrested in their homes in 6 AM raids by SWAT teams in their homes, and held indefinitely. For WHAT?!?

Federal and police agents and Antifa infilrated the crowd, DISGUISED AS Trump supporters, and orchestrated and THEMSELVES commited all, or virtually all, of the violence that day.
And the highest FBI officials, Wray and Sanborn, WON'T say, "No, it wasn't our plan or our FBI agents."
Because it WAS their own FBI agents who orchestrated it all, who set them up.
It was a sham.
A set-up.
It was CREATED, as a lying Democrat narrative, to prevent actual investigation of election fraud in the Nov 3 2020 election, a narrative created to dominate media coverage of the Democrat-Bolshevik policy implemented in Joe Biden's (and his Democrat-Bolshevik puppet-masters' ) first 6 months of Jacobinist radical transformation of our county.

So 1,100 innocent protesters sit in a dirty federal prison, beaten regularly by radical-Democrat-Leftist Trump hating guards, forced to drink moldy water from toilets.
Often not even provided the ability to shower and shave.



By contrast, in Antifa and BLM riots in roughly 600 cities nationwide across 2020, where THERE WAS actual violence, vandalism, injured police and federal agents, and dozens of Secret Service agents injured protecting the White House and other federal buildings nationwide, was arson on federal buildings, and Molotov cocktails thrown in police cars intended to kill police, where there were federal agents permanently blinded deliberately with laser-pointers aimed at their faces for hours while these officers pushed back riotting leftist crowds... the 97% Democrat-donating and weaponized FBI and DOJ JUST SET THEM FREE !!!!!!
NO charges, NO indefinite imprisonment, no prosecution or trial, no expensive hiring of lawyers needed, no endangerment of their jobs by detainment, no loss of their homes due to imprisonment causing them a loss of income for years.

Where is the equal protection, and equal prosecution under the law, for these Antifa and Black Lives Matter suspects, M E M ?


Or for the many other far more destructive and violent attacks by Democrat/Left protesters on the Capitol, in the years before Jan 6th, and in the years since, radical leftist groups WHO TRULY DID "storm" the Capittol ?
The leftists who invaded the Captiol during the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court hearings.
The radical Leftists who invaded the Capitol again after Jan 6th over environmental fanaticism.
The radical Hamas protesters who have invaded the Capitol and threatened/intimidated legislators multiple times since the Oct 7 2023 Hamas attacks?

Where are THOSE arrests, M E M?
Hamas was screaming "death to America" at a Dearborn, Michigan rally just 2 days ago. Why hasn't FBI arrested and/or deported those clear threats to U.S. citizens, and to U.S. national security.?

You don't care, M E M.
Because for you it isn't about truth or protecting the country. For you it is ONLY about pushing a lying narrative, just to benefit your Democrat-Bolshevik lunatic party.
Your problem with Rove isn’t that he changed. The attacks on law enforcement even by someone as partisan as Rove were just wrong . It’s not a morally fuzzy thing. You choose a different path to put it in the kindest words.
Meet some of the violent Jan. 6 rioters Donald Trump keeps calling 'hostages'
By Ryan J. Reilly
WASHINGTON — The way former President Donald Trump tells it, the men and women who stormed the Capitol because they believed his lies about the 2020 presidential election are "hostages" and “unbelievable patriots” who are being mistreated by the justice system.

But an NBC News review of hundreds of cases against Jan. 6 defendants found that just 15 people charged in connection with the Capitol attack are currently being held pretrial at the order of federal judges. That number of pretrial detainees has decreased in recent months, as more and more Jan. 6 defendants have taken plea deals or been found guilty, and as federal judges have been hesitant to hold new arrestees in pre-trial custody more than three years after the attack.
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15 people not hundreds WB.
Hi Matter Eater Man. Where have you been.
Hi SOM
I fell in love got married but lost them to cancer. So I grieved and starting to rebuild a new life again. Heave stuff but I’m doing fine. This was my second time around losing someone from cancer and got every bit of support I could this time. Some really amazing and good people out there! How about yourself?
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