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if you had to choose the greatest work of art in the history of the world, what would it be?
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Wow, that's a tough one. Hmm...
I think I'll go with the limestone picture bust of Queen Nefertiti.
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Dogs Playing Poker!!
What about your job on Mount Rushmore Zoddy?
Anything by Michaelangelo. Picasso's Blue Period, though depressing, was good art.
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Off the top of my head, I'd have to say the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
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I am hopeless with art. I walk around galleries and I try really hard to appreciate what I'm seeing. I do appreciate the skill of an artist, but I want to be moved. I want to have an emotional response and I seldom do. One day, when I was eight years old, I visited my Grandmother's house and she had a new painting on her wall. Actually it wasn't a painting at all, but an etching, by Marie Laurencin. It was called 'Three Dancers' and it depicted two seated women supporting a younger woman who was reclining into their arms. Because it was an etching, there was no colour - just these dull graphite shades which gave the women a smokey appearance, as though they had only just come into exisitence. Anyway, when I first saw 'Three Dancers', aged eight, I thought that it was the most beautiful thing and I still do. I move around a lot these days and it always accompanies me and gets hung up on strange walls. It's very simple - not a lot of detail but I like to look at it. That is something I really do appreciate. quote:
Off the top of my head, I'd have to say the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
I saw the ceiling of the Sistine chapel and it was beautiful. It's something you can look at for a long time and you keep thinking - 'well just a few more minutes and then I'll go.' but you always want a few more minutes.
The chapel was very crowded and the guides were trying to stop people from taking photos because the flashbulbs can harm the artwork.
There were these complete arseholes that were just ignoring them and taking photos anyway. I thought - you stupid ignorant bastards - not even looking at the ceiling and appreciating it firsthand but just snapping away with your cameras and damaging it for future visitors.
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  Yeah. They both feature a guy holding his head in bewilderment and horror. Not to mention a guy in brown and a guy in blue directly behind him. Also a red and yellow skyline...
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Off the top of my head, I'd have to say the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
I saw the ceiling of the Sistine chapel and it was beautiful. It's something you can look at for a long time and you keep thinking - 'well just a few more minutes and then I'll go.' but you always want a few more minutes.
The chapel was very crowded and the guides were trying to stop people from taking photos because the flashbulbs can harm the artwork.
There were these complete arseholes that were just ignoring them and taking photos anyway. I thought - you stupid ignorant bastards - not even looking at the ceiling and appreciating it firsthand but just snapping away with your cameras and damaging it for future visitors.
I've never seen it myself, but I'd love to. I've seen pictures of it, both before it was cleaned and after. Even dirty, it still looked good.
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Dogs Playing Poker!!
What about your job on Mount Rushmore Zoddy?
Damn government took it down, they dare cloak Zod's vision and talent!! They don't know art!!
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I'm torn on four pics -- Bianca already mentioned Nefertiti. I'd like to add the Venus de Milo, and Winged Nike, and Michealangelo's Peita (before the face was smashed). The Venus and the Nike are both in the French Mesuem, I'd love to see them go home to Greece though. Darn you, Napoleon...
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This one was always my favorite.
I also liked da Vinci's Last Supper, and most of Dali's stuff.
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I can't choose greatest -- art is by its very nature subjective. My favorite?  Always had a soft spot for Raphael's SCHOOL OF ATHENS... Now, in regards to what's said before: I'm an art major myself, albeit in Illustration (though with lots of Art History required though). I place that ACTION #1 and AMAZING FANTASY #15 in the art category. I also place Stareena's gorgeous and tasteful modeling shot there. The woman with kidney stones may be cutting it close though, but a lot worse has been called art in these godless days od excrement-smeared madonnas... BTW, I love the Pieta as well -- and I LOVE the use its gotten in comic book imagery: the famous shots of Cyclops with Phoenix (UNCANNY #136), Superman with Supergirl (CRISIS #7) and Batman with Robin ("Death in the Family") are all clear Pieta imagery. Who's to say comics aren't art... ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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I've been studying origami for about five years. It straddles the world of both Mathematics and Art. These days I get more pleasure out of trying and failing to fold something very complicated, than I do from looking at a finished model. Sometimes you have to perform folds that are so complex and the way the paper moves under your fingers and then falls into place, if you're doing it right, is beautiful in itself. Here are some galleries from folders who are at the top of their game. Most of these models will have been folded from a single sheet of square paper. No cuts will have been made. Scorpion Panther Daddy Long Legs Some Insects Some Animals Check out that amazing Angel figure. Some of the dragons on the following pages will probably have been constructed from around four separate squares of paper. Fantasy Origami This Wyvern does my head in. So much detail. Wyvern
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quote:
Originally posted by Cowgirl Jack:
Well someone has kidney stones.
In all seriousness, I think we were talking about real art. And I'm torn on four pics -- Bianca already mentioned Nefertiti. I'd like to add the Venus de Milo, and Winged Nike, and Michealangelo's Peita (before the face was smashed). The Venus and the Nike are both in the French Mesuem, I'd love to see them go home to Greece though. Darn you, Napoleon...
What is real art?
Art is whatever someone wants it to be.
To some the likes of Michaelangelo is art,to others half a sheep in formaldehyde is art & to others naked women are art!
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If you am look at picture and it am boring than it am art. If you am look at picture and it am give you boner than it am porn.
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URG...that makes perfect sense. quote:
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Well someone has kidney stones.
In all seriousness, I think we were talking about real art. And I'm torn on four pics -- Bianca already mentioned Nefertiti. I'd like to add the Venus de Milo, and Winged Nike, and Michealangelo's Peita (before the face was smashed). The Venus and the Nike are both in the French Mesuem, I'd love to see them go home to Greece though. Darn you, Napoleon...
What is real art?
Art is whatever someone wants it to be.
To some the likes of Michaelangelo is art,to others half a sheep in formaldehyde is art & to others naked women are art!
I don't think that one porn picture is art. There is a difference between being naked to be artistic and being naked to...well fill in that blank however you want.
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Okay...if I say something is crap then I can say it...and you can say whatever is crap. That's it. I say some shit that's called art is 'crap' and I can think that. I don't care what anyone else thinks.
(BTW...where is that link of the greatest comic book covers? There was this Batman one I liked.)
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It's much easier than forming our own opinions on what is art.
but that's how you get abominations like the Peoples Choice Awards where any boy band can be the "best" band ever. "cuz the critcs don't know wassup"
Or just look at VH1's top 100 artists countdown one day and compare the critics lists to the retarded online fan poll where the majority of the best bands of all time (according to the masses) are all vaucous pop bands of the past 2 years!
Critics,no matter how maligned they are by the tastes of the mob, usually are better qualified to know that Johnny Cash is more deserving than Justin Timberlake and that no, Milli Vanilli do not deserve any type award EVER, lip synching or not..
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I'm siding with Mxy. Art, whether it be music, buildings, food, statues, or porn, is entirely a subjective assessment. Art is what you like. It usually has an element of finesse (from which we get the phrase "fine art"), but not necessarily.
As for my choices.... I like Chagall, Matisse, Picasso and (some) Dali (it tends to freak me out a bit though). Looking forward to finally seeing the Disney/Dali collaboration, called Destino.
I really like Rodin sculpture, too.
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...i feel sorry for whomod if he bases what he thinks is art of of VH1 polls....
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Originally posted by Batwoman:
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
...i feel sorry for whomod if he bases what he thinks is art of of VH1 polls....
I think he was using that more as an example than actually basing anything from it.
Thank you!
It was merely an example of professional critics. I could have also used Kenneth Turan as an example. He's the resident film critic of the Los Angeles Times and he's usually spot on, much to the displeasure of many an angry fan of the #1 movies in america who usually call for his dismissal because he dared to criticize Titanic or any other pop phenom.
Of course art critics have been wrong many a time as well for being bound by their own rigity and pretension. The initial reaction to Warhol's pop art springs instantly to mind.
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I disagree. Pron and tasteless sensationalism isn't art, it's just that, porn and sensationalsim. No, Urg put it well, if it gives you a boner, it's not art.
It can be. Much of Renaissance art was effective porn. Well-reknown artists would try for verisimilitude in painting portraits of their master's mistresses. I'm thinking of one in particular... a reclining woman, by someone like Titian. Back then it was wank material. Now its in a museum and critiqued for the artist's skill.
Many of Rodin's sculptures were of nude women, in submissive positions. They are all highly regarded artistically.
Mapplethorpe's photographs are offensive, but there is no denying they are art.
They fact that nudes are distasteful to you, or make you horny, or both, does not mean they are not art.
Nudes are one thing, I know those are art. In fact, anyone that's taken a figure drawing class has had to sketch a nude model. But the pic of the woman showing off her reproductive organs isn't art, that's porn. That pose is not meant for anything other than to provide a sexual stimulant to others.
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They're cool. I knew a guy who had some Soviet propaganda art whihc he got in Moscow in 1986. must be worth some coin now.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave:
I'm siding with Mxy. Art, whether it be music, buildings, food, statues, or porn, is entirely a subjective assessment. Art is what you like. It usually has an element of finesse (from which we get the phrase "fine art"), but not necessarily.
As for my choices.... I like Chagall, Matisse, Picasso and (some) Dali (it tends to freak me out a bit though). Looking forward to finally seeing the Disney/Dali collaboration, called Destino.
I really like Rodin sculpture, too.
Actually Dave,it was me that said it,not MXY!
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What's wrong, can't handle it when someone disagrees with you? Especially when it's an educated woman? Are you so used to blow up dolls that you don't know how to related to real women. So what do you do instead? Resort to childish name calling. Are you that insecure?
You have no right to call me a commie. You don't know a thing about me, much less what my ethinicity is.
Got nothing to do with gender -- bsams is just being a hoser...
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Originally posted by britneyspearsatemyshorts:
....but shes been to school so she knows what real art is....
I know someone who took an art class in a college, and he said that a section of the course was about pornography. So you can go to school and think that porn is art...
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I don't think there's any discussion here, art is subjective. If I look at poo and it moves me, then it's art for me. It may not be art for you, but it sure as fuck is art for me and nobody can change that, college studies or not.
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There is a hollow perspex statue of Jesus on the cross filled with urine which was on display in a museum in Australia some years ago. It caused controversy, to say the least. But, nonetheless, it was art. It was a comment on religion, designed to provoke an emotion - whether it be disgust, humour, outrage - and it succeeded.
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There's a scene in The Agony and the Ecstacy where the Pope (played by Rex Harrison -- one of his funniest roles ever IMO) is being asked by the meek underlings about why Michealangelo (played by Heston) is painting all these *gasp* NUDES on the Sistine Chapel. He replies that it is the glorification of the human body. Adam and Eve were not ashamed (well at least before they ate that apple) of their nackedness, and the Bible does say they didn't wear clothes. What was he suppose to do, add togas on the two? The pope (really, Harrison is too funny in this -- he has the perfect whinning dictator voice for it lol) agrees, and Michealangelo was allowed to paint Adam and Eve as God created them.
(Actually, people went in after Michealangelo died and painted clothing on the nude saints in 'The Final Judgement' this was reveiled after the Sistine was cleaned up a few years ago.)
Glorification of the human form. Makes perfect sense to me. I think that's why Starenna's pic seems like art to me. Heck, the fact that's she's not some anorexic model earns my respect. She is showing off a physically fit body over those toothpicks that they put clothes one.
However, posing for the single reason of making guys reach full salute is not art. At least in my opinion.
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Everyone has a right to express an individual opinion. I've enjoyed most of the art posted here. However, backwards7's origami post has me especially intrigued. I'm interested in learning the craft myself. quote:
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I've been studying origami for about five years. It straddles the world of both Mathematics and Art. These days I get more pleasure out of trying and failing to fold something very complicated, than I do from looking at a finished model.
Sometimes you have to perform folds that are so complex and the way the paper moves under your fingers and then falls into place, if you're doing it right, is beautiful in itself.
Here are some galleries from folders who are at the top of their game.
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Some Insects
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