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Either change the user name, you fucking thieving skank bitch, or I'll see your ass in court for copyright infringement.
And Joe, up yours. If you think that asshole is me, you're really fucking stupid.
I don't care if it's you or not. My comments stand. Scumbag.
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Just to bring this topic back a bit more close to its initial theme, as Pig Iron began the topic on page 1...
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Rucka, Loeb, Kelly, Seagle, Casey, Azz(Ass)arello, Ennis, Millar, Bendis, Austen, Claremont, Winick, Lobdell, JMS, Tieri, Waid, Grayson, Priest, Marz, Robbie Morrison, and all the old farts who churn out shit now who used to be good.
All the current artists whose art looks like pure crap..the list is too long to name names.
Marvel Comics....sucks.
I suppose I should name a few people who keep me reading comics ..Brubaker, Johns, G. Morrison, Mignola, Busiek (sometimes), Ellis (sometimes), Art Adams, Templeton, Sprouse, Shanower, P C Russell, Darwyn Cooke, Alan Davis, Milligan ( I forgot a few) and some indy guys like Mills and Thompson..but that's about it. I'm about fed up and I am about to drop nearly everything I get except a couple of titles.
These modern writers pad everything, they take themselves way too seriously, They have no storytelling abilities, and they basically suck.
Sorry, but I've about had it.
I think for most of us, it's not all new books that are distasteful.
But we instead feel there is a clearly declining ratio of quality material.
I largely agree with Pig Iron, Shazamgrrl and others, who are very divergent in opinion, but still all express a clear preference for "old school" writing style in comics.
But I also agree with Joe Mama, that it's useful to point out both:
1) examples of what's good in the current stuff being published,
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2) examples of what's total excrement, and specifically defining why it's excrement and substandard to what was published in past eras.
Again, I doubt that we'll all agree 100% on what is "good" and what is "excrement".
These aren't math equations, these are stories we're discussing, and to a large degree, what's good and what's not is a matter of individual taste.
But we'll at least be able to clarify our own perspectives to help others understand each's viewpoint, and I hope, more respectfully
( respectfully, respectfully !! ) discuss the issue, and reach some common ground.
I already listed a bunch of examples of books I prefer, both positive and negative examples, on pages 1 and 2 of the topic.
I'll list more examples, both positive and negative examples, as they occur to me.
I encourage others to do the same.
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Either change the user name, you fucking thieving skank bitch, or I'll see your ass in court for copyright infringement.
If you could sue someone for using your screen name, 90% of us would be in trouble.
Of course, you're not exactly the first person to use "Grll" in a screen name.
Aren't you one of Chris Oakley's seperate personalities, anyway?
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she's upset because Caitlin O'Malley is a grrl witch that she came up with while writing an erotic fanfic about Captain Marvel. she's upset because by using Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl as a username they're infringing on her trademark and copyright on the character. this has happened before on the DC Boards where she threatened to sue people who mention the character in her posts.
that's how i found out about this place though, when Rob banned me from there because of the threats of litigation he invited me to come over here.
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Welcome to the boards, Question?.
Uschi said:I won't rape you, I'll just fuck you 'till it hurts and then not stop and you'll cry. MisterJLA: RACKS so hard, he called Jim Rome "Chris Everett." In Him, all porn is possible. He is far above mentions in so-called "blogs." RACK him, lest ye be lost! "I can't even brush my teeth without gagging!" - Tommy Tantillo: Wank & Cry, heckpuppy, and general laughingstock
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Well... getting back on topic to what I was talking about four posts above, I'd like to start with the current books that I'm enjoying most, defining both the qualities I enjoy, and those that are the more loathesome characteristics of Modern comics storytelling. The book that has surprised me most, and been the most consistent month-to-month is the new LEGION OF SUPERHEROES. Which just released its third issue, and all three issues have been very good. I'll be honest, I didn't want to like this series, because I liked so much the Levitz-era LEGION (roughly from 1982-1990) and only slightly less, the Giffen/Bierbaum "Five Year Gap" storyline (vol 4 series, issues 1-60, from 1990-1994), up to which point Legion's longstanding continuity was maintained. Then, with no continuity development, DC just "re-booted" the series, and completely blanked out the previous 35-year history of the series as I knew and loved it. And several additional re-boots beyond that over the last 10 years. So I was very reluctant to support a series whose continuity has been so thoroughly butchered, and whose existing fanbase has been so thoroughly disregarded. But... The new series is undeniably good. Waid and Kitson, while making some slight modifications, have produced a version of LEGION that picks up pretty close to the Levitz-era version. It taps into what I find most appealing about the original LEGION: a near-utopian 30th century Earth where war and disease and crime are virtually non-existent, where the future is a bright one. With the innovation that the world is almost too safe, and the LEGION is formed to both work toward a better world, and to seek adventure in a world that, by their perception, is too homogenized and safe. Each issue focuses mostly on one Legion member and their powers, establishing the characters.  Issue 1 focuses mostly on the Legion as a whole and its philosophy of thinking outside the box of established authority, pressing for positive change, and in doing so, inspiring a political movement among the new/young generation, galaxywide throughout the United Planets. It also gives some interesting twists on well-known Legion characters, and new ways they use their powers, which are clever and interesting, especially the powers and personalities of Element lad, Sun Boy and Star Boy.  Issue 2 focuses mostly on Dream Girl's intuitive power to see the future, and it's interesting the way she loses her perception of time, because as she sees visions of the future, she often has trouble distinguishing what has happened, from what is about to happen. And this is contrasted in a fun way with Braniac 5, who logically deducts what will happen, and is annoyed with the way Dream Girl intuitively sees things without logical deduction. Contrasting the way the two characters think.  Issue 3 explores the origin and personality of Triplicate Girl, and how the way she thinks relates to her power. I don't want to give details beyond this, and potentially spoil the stories for those who haven't read them. But I highly recommend this series. In a nutshell, what I like about the new LEGION is: - the fun, the optimism, of a bright utopian future, with some minor social and cultural flaws in the 30th century.
- The symbolic aspect of the Legion as an inspiration for a movement throughout the galaxy, pushing for a better civilization.
- The consistency with aspects of previous continuity. Not identical, but recognizably close to the Levitz-and-prior continuity, with some clever and interesting twists, something absent from other re-boots over the last 10 years.
- Exploration of the characters in new ways. How new uses of their powers are expanded to be an extension of the way each character thinks precisely because of their powers.
Some aspects I don't like about the new series: - the dark, standing-in-the-shadows ominousness of Cosmic Boy and Braniac 5 in all the issues. The brooding suggestion of impending doom, without development, which is a stock-in-trade overused device for about 20 years now, in any number of Dark-Age titles.
When Walt Simonson used the device in THOR 337-350, back in 1983, it was actually something original.
And then in 1990, as so many others already had, Todd McFarlane ripped off this ominous/impending doom device yet one more time in SPIDERMAN, in what passed for McFarlane's abilities as a writer/artist.
And here's the same cliche story device being used yet one more time in the new LEGION series, 22 years later.
If it weren't such an overly used cliche, I might find Cosmic Boy and Braniac 5's standing-in-the-shadows ominousness halfway dramatic. I hated the way it was used to conclude issue 3, and made me feel like I got ripped off, and left with half a story, ending on a pointlessly ominous and incomplete note.
Unlike issues 1 and 2, where I felt I got a complete story each issue, with a beginning, a middle and an end, with a lot of clever twists in between. - The bad-attitude posturing poses on several characters, particularly Cosmic Boy and Collossal Boy. Another staple characteristic of Dark Age comics. I especially hate those bad-attitude smirks drawn on the faces of Cosmic Boy and Collossal Boy.
- I dislike how confrontational the characters are toward each other. Another overdone Dark Age trait. I can tolerate it in these early issues, because they're a new team and presumably have to get to know each other better. But I picture a better version of this being how it's done in JUSTICE LEAGUE/JLI/JLE and other series, where there's these amusing personality contrasts and playful bickering, without these oh-so-overdone dramatic confrontations.
But hopefully these are elements that will be fine-tuned as the series goes forward. Overall, I'm impressed with the series, and look forward to reading it each month. Which is a rarity for me with the new books, finding a creative team that can deliver not just a good single-issue here and there, but consistently provide quality storytelling month after month. You can see larger images of these covers and read several pages of these issues online at this link: http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=49745880472&snumber=1
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Another book I'd highly recommend from the Marvel side is YOUNG AVENGERS #1.  Written by Allen Heinberg (one of the writers for the TV series " The O.C." ), and illustrated by Jim Cheung and John Dell. This book is exactly, exactly what has been missing in comics. The fun back-and-forth dialogue you used to see in the 70's and 80's AVENGERS by Steve Englehart, Jim Shooter and Dave Michelinie. And the early-Marvel kind of hero problems, balancing fighting crime with everyday responsibilities. You know: "Oh geez, I can't fight Kang tonight, I need to get home and study. I've got a test tomorrow !!"That kind of stuff. Here's a link to enlargements of YOUNG AVENGERS covers and interior pages: http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=99410907980&snumber=1I highly recommend picking up the first issue. And I find it hard to believe that anyone could get to page 4 and not want to read further. Again, some minor tough-posturing bad-attitude elements, but not to the point that it overshadows the fun. I thought issue 2 was not quite as good as issue 1, but was still good reading.  Also, based on how much I enjoyed YOUNG AVENGERS, I also picked up NEW AVENGERS # 4 this week. In the store, I looked at the art and thought it was great. Then I saw the writer is Brian Michael Bendis, and almost put it back on the shelf. But I thought the art and colors were great, so I gave it a shot. I just want to emphasize how much I generally hate Bendis' work. I thought Bendis' DAREDEVIL work (despite really nice art) was overly gloomy, pretentious and uninteresting. I dislike any number of books he's done that are profanity laden, and just filled to the brim with all the elements I despise. Despite raves by others to try 100 BULLETS, I sampled the series and hated it. Even Bendis' contribution to the 9-11 benefit book a few years ago ticked me off with its bad-attitude, cynical foul-talking script, which I really considered inappropriate to such a solemn event But in contrast, when reading NEW AVENGERS # 4, I couldn't believe this was written by the same guy. It has so much clever dialogue, funny dialogue, and great rapport and flow between all the characters. This was a tremendously fun story from start to finish, with a lot of great twists that make you laugh out loud. Again, a little bit more bad-attitude than I like, but it didn't rise to a level that it spoiled the story. Link to larger cover images and interior pages for NEW AVENGERS: http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=56605743384&snumber=1So... I'm amazed to have read two Marvel titles this month, where for a change, I didn't feel cheated and want my money back. Where, for a change, I once again, like in a better era, read a few comics and thought: Wow, that was great !And I sincerely hope they can sustain it, because I'd like to read more issues like this.
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the most recent Legion book isn't really doing anything for me; but with the exception of the Abnett/Lanning Legion Lost and Legion i've never really been able to get into the Legion much.
i am really enjoying both New Avengers and Young Avengers, which is a surprisingly fun comic.
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Welcome to the boards, Question?.
hey thanks, glad to be here.
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Yeah, astonishing x-Men,she-hulk, shanna, new avengers, human torch/spider-man, fantastic four:foes,and black panther are all marvel books I'm currently loving and look forward to she-hulk's return.
marvel has done a 180 degree turn recently..
dan slott and robert kirkman are 2 newer guys who are just amazing..
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she's upset because Caitlin O'Malley is a grrl witch that she came up with while writing an erotic fanfic about Captain Marvel. she's upset because by using Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl as a username they're infringing on her trademark and copyright on the character. this has happened before on the DC Boards where she threatened to sue people who mention the character in her posts.
that's how i found out about this place though, when Rob banned me from there because of the threats of litigation he invited me to come over here.
Bullshit, patch. I came up with her THREE YEARS BEFORE I wrote that.
Come up with another one, douche bag.
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oh i'm sorry, my mistake. i guess it should read like this:
she's upset because Caitlin O'Malley is a grrl witch that she came up with 3 years before writing an erotic fanfic about Captain Marvel which happened to include the grrl witch nailing the underage billy batson. she's upset because by using Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl as a username they're infringing on her trademark and copyright on the character. this has happened before on the DC Boards where she threatened to sue people who mention the character in her posts.
there, is that better?
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You sir, are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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gee thanks. if i knew how to blush on here i would.
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I'd like him better if he took his girlfriend and their baggage to another forum, because it's really sad watching this fanboyistic soap opera.
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girlfriend?!?
no. just something to do btw serious posts.
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oh i'm sorry, my mistake. i guess it should read like this:
she's upset because Caitlin O'Malley is a grrl witch that she came up with 3 years before writing an erotic fanfic about Captain Marvel which happened to include the grrl witch nailing the underage billy batson. she's upset because by using Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl as a username they're infringing on her trademark and copyright on the character. this has happened before on the DC Boards where she threatened to sue people who mention the character in her posts.
there, is that better?
No, because you're still a jealous asshole and you're still full of shit.
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Getting back on topic, I once asked what it would take to get you guys into a brand new comic book series, made by first-time writers and artists, and starring all new characters.
Considering everybody's misgivings towards modern comics and with rising prices, what would make you want to start reading that title, and what would it take to keep you coming back every month for the next issue?
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Getting back on topic, I once asked what it would take to get you guys into a brand new comic book series, made by first-time writers and artists, and starring all new characters.
Well, DK, I gave two examples above, but I'll list more as we go.
YOUNG AVENGERS #1 has a team of virtual unknowns on the book, and brand-spankin' new characters.
NEW AVENGERS # 4 has an art team I've never seen before, teamed with a writer I've previously hated in every previous sampling of his work I've purchased.
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Considering everybody's misgivings towards modern comics and with rising prices, what would make you want to start reading that title, and what would it take to keep you coming back every month for the next issue?
Quality, pure and simple.
I was very reluctant to purchase ANY Marvel comic because of the profanity, bad-attitude and vulgarity I've seen over the last 4 years or so.
But I still look through a number of their books every month, purchase a few of those and am often disappointed.
I read the first 4 pages of YOUNG AVENGERS # 1 on the stand, liked it a lot, and after gettng home and reading all 22 pages, I was very pleased that I purchased it, that it was so consistently good from start to finish.
Likewise, although I have a general distaste for Marvel under Quesada's editorial leadership, and hate Bendis' work pretty consistently, I saw what I was looking for in NEW AVENGERS # 4.
If it, or any other book, continues to display the fun-factor and other qualities I've described, I'll keep buying.
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I think the sign should stay, even if it's worded differently. There have been many times someone would start a discussion in here and not the off topic/offensive forum and the majority of replies have nothing to do with the subject.
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Post 1: I think Michael Jackson is guilty because of (etc., etc.), but someone else says he's innocent because of (etc. etc.). Thoughts?
Post 2: I think you look like someone tried to put out a forest fire with a screwdriver.
Post 3: Shut your trap and bring me a grande mocha latte you bloated sack of protoplasm!
Post 4: I wanna see pictures of Latoya! *pout*
Post 5: But she's fugly!
Post 6: You're fugly!
Post 7: You suck!
Post 8: You're a bum!
Post 9: You need a ride in the hurtmobile!
Post 10: Gibblet time! *click* *click* *BOOM!*
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There shouldn't be a "risk" involved when clicking a thread and not knowing whether it's an actual deep thought/ issue/ event or just another flame war/ food fight/ playground.
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The sign simply means, post what you want and when you want to, as long as it belongs in this forum, don't abuse the privileges, there is a line drawn somewhere.
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Why, then, should one limitless off topic/offensive forum not be enough? I've used it, too.
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Getting back on topic, I once asked what it would take to get you guys into a brand new comic book series, made by first-time writers and artists, and starring all new characters.
Well, DK, I gave two examples above, but I'll list more as we go.
The problem with those examples "Avengers" is an established name, regardless of the roster. Comic readers are familiar with The Avengers.
And as you said, "New Avengers" is penned by a writer you're familiar with but don't like (a sentiment I share - I'm not a Bendis fan at all.)
I'm talking about a brand new comic series written by someone who's never written a comic book before, drawn by someone who's never drawn a comic before, and featuring characters you've never heard of.
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Considering everybody's misgivings towards modern comics and with rising prices, what would make you want to start reading that title, and what would it take to keep you coming back every month for the next issue?
Quality.
But again, if you know nothing about the book, how do you know if its good? Remember, this question pertains to a brand new title with no connection to any other title - everything is brand new (as brand new as possible with all the ideas that have been done.)
I had a hard time getting this point across last time I posted this query. It seems that letting the cat out of the bag is the only way for you guys to understand exactly what I'm looking for.
A friend and I are planning our own comic book series - I'm doing the writing, and he's doing the artwork. We're considering taking it to Image because of their "creator-owned" policy, and we can't afford self-publication (I want complete control over the storylines and all that, because I know exactly where I want the story to go, and even end when the time comes to end the series, whenever that day may be).
So basically, I'm conducting market research to figure out what would get people to read a brand new comic they've never heard of.
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oh i'm sorry, my mistake. i guess it should read like this:
she's upset because Caitlin O'Malley is a grrl witch that she came up with 3 years before writing an erotic fanfic about Captain Marvel which happened to include the grrl witch nailing the underage billy batson. she's upset because by using Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl as a username they're infringing on her trademark and copyright on the character. this has happened before on the DC Boards where she threatened to sue people who mention the character in her posts.
there, is that better?
No, because you're still a jealous asshole and you're still full of shit.
you can't attack the content of my post now so you resort to attacking me.
so sad, so typical . . .
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Getting back on topic, I once asked what it would take to get you guys into a brand new comic book series, made by first-time writers and artists, and starring all new characters.
Considering everybody's misgivings towards modern comics and with rising prices, what would make you want to start reading that title, and what would it take to keep you coming back every month for the next issue?
interest me, and keep me interested. that's what gets me into a book and keeps me into a book.
The Walking Dead is a well put together book by creators who are relatively new, and definately new to me, that looked interesting enough for me to try and remains interesting and entertaining enough for me to buy every month.
i wish i could codify or quantify exactly what makes a book interesting for me but it's really too subjective to be described that way. sometimes it can be some cool visuals, an interesting concept or just my mood at that given time and day.
what keeps me into that book is simple an interesting, entertaining story, good artwork and consistency.
i know this really doesn't help you much, sorry.
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Wonder Boy ... I read the preview of the new LoSH # 1 and loved it. Waid has always been one of my favorite Flash authors, and in those first few pages, he's managed to strike a perfect balance of action and characterization. He treats the Legionnaires as indiduals, and Kitson made the effort to give them their "own" faces. The only characters that resemble each other is Triplicate Girl's three forms. 
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Glad you like the new LEGION series, Shazamgrrl. Another by Mark Waid I really enjoyed was JLA # 60, two Christmases ago, which I mentioned in my "Favorite Christmas Stories in Comics" topic Another great single-issue JLA story by Waid was in issue 33, where Barda and Plastic Man come to blows regarding a dress she's wearing.  ( If I was Plastic Man, man, I'd be pulling this stunt all the time ! ) I also like many (not all) of Waid's IMPULSE stories for DC, particularly the first 24 issues with art by Humberto Ramos. I especially liked issues 17(with Zatanna), and 24. Darknight613 said:I'm talking about a brand new comic series written by someone who's never written a comic book before, drawn by someone who's never drawn a comic before, and featuring characters you've never heard of.
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Considering everybody's misgivings towards modern comics and with rising prices, what would make you want to start reading that title, and what would it take to keep you coming back every month for the next issue?
...So basically, I'm conducting market research to figure out what would get people to read a brand new comic they've never heard of. Darknight, my apologies, I'd meant to come back and give you a lengthy answer with specific examples, and then forgot about it until Shazamgrrl bumped the topic. I gave many series I've sampled that featured both characters and creators I had no previous knowledge of in my "Conan and other R.E.Howard/pulp stories in comics" topic. Â Basically, for me, the less superhero-ish, the more likely I will try it. Whether it's western, science fiction, historical, horror, detective, classic literature, pulp-era or whatever. Clean and detailed art also gets my attention. Cartoonish, overly-caricatured-Japanimationish or Image-style overdeveloped bodies in a book's art will compell me to put it right back on the shelf. SOJOURN (by Ron Marz and Greg Land, two creators previously unknown to me) is a book I picked up with some hesitancy and quickly fell in love with. It was actually the playful humor I saw skimming through the book, combined with beautiful art and classic Burroughs/Tolkien -style heroic adventure, that compelled me to pick it up. Almost simultaneously, I picked up a collected trade of the four-issue BATMAN/TARZAN miniseries by Marz and Igor Kordey. I like this series because, again, very nice art, but more important to me, I felt the story was true to Batman at his 1930's/1940's roots as a millionaire sophisticate and creature of the night. And similarly, the story's portrayal of Tarzan as well was true to the Burroughs version, as well as the the 1970's Kubert version (Kubert's TARZAN is for me the definitive comics Tarzan adaptation, which is also true to Burroughs).  The most recent unknown creator/title I purchased is a 10th anniversary CAVEWOMAN special, by a guy named Bud Root, another complete unknown. It basically presents some of the well-known jungle-girl/good-girl-art conventions of previous greats like Matt Baker, Frank Frazetta and Dave Stevens, and does something fun and new and playful with it. - Other CAVEWOMAN issues and covers:
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In contrast to CAVEWOMAN, another I've flipped through but haven't purchased are the first three issues of Frank Cho's SHANNA series. Because despite the nice art I found it : 1) below par for Cho, 2) looks very padded, like it has 8 pages of plot per issue stretched to fill 22 pages 3) it looks overly serious and not fun enough, for the type of story it is. ( See the Bruce Jones/Brent Anderson KA-ZAR for an example of a series in the same vein that delivers on all categories ). But CAVEWOMAN presents the formula for unknown creators, of taking a well-known iconic image, doing an alternate version that is familiar enough to bring in readers, and offers enough original twists on an old image to keep them interested. TROUBLE WITH GIRLS is one that springs to mind as another that takes a recognizable classic iconic image (a James Bond -type spy/adventurer) and gives it a very original and playful twist. Another I purchased recently is DOC FRANKENSTEIN, because it combines the classic Frankenstein image with a pulp-hero Doc Savage save-the-world heroic adventure motif. But despite the beatiful art and packaging, it wasn't my bag, and it didn't present a story with a beginning, a middle and an end. THAT is an important factor for a new series, especially if it's not a monthly book you're producing: give the reader a story that is complete, or at least FEELS complete, with a beginning, middle and an end.You can have plot threads that continue into future issues, but tell a complete and satisfying story within the issue at hand. That's what I didn't like about Cho's SHANNA, and so many other comics, where there's no closure at story's end, and it's more like : CHOP ! That's it for this issue. See ya next month. Like I said above, see the new LEGION issues 1 and 2 for examples of stories with a beginning middle and end. And issue 3 as an example of a story that disappoints and annoys at the end because it lacks a conclusion, or even a half-decent cliffhanger. I also didn't like DOC FRANKENSTEIN because it was too dark and gritty. I like the concept, but TOM STRONG or HELLBOY are two books that do the same thing basically, and are a lot more fun to read. You can also go in the CEREBUS/Jaka, LIBERTY MEADOWS, Top Cow, CAVEWOMAN, Frank Frazetta, Dave Stevens, Adam Hughes T-and-A formula and toss in a sexy girl to keep your predominantly male audience interested at any point they might normally lose interest.
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Nnnnnnnnnnnnnghhh...well, the bad news is that it's sort of a superhero comic. I'm sure you'll understand if I decide not to give any details away at this time. But it's not just superheroics and fights in tights. The storyline has a mostly supernatural edge, although it's not necessarily dark or grim. The main character confront demons, mages, gangsters, supervillains, and every once in a while gets involved with what I hope is the most original take on the War between Heaven and Hell anybody has ever seen (which is not the driving point of the series).
There's also going to be some human drama, especially with the way the hero acts towards the people in his life. Also, while the hero has firmly established the type of hero he wants to be, he's not really sure what to do with his real life. When he's not superheroing, what does he want to do with his life? What does he want his non-superhero identity to be? (This is probably something most young adlts wonder about - what do they want to be, as opposed to what do they want to do.)
The best way to describe what I'm going for is to compare it to 1970s Marvel - when action superheroics were balanced with human emotion, and when characters truly started developing real personalities - reaching the potential for showing human frailties in a genuine way (of course, it was in the 1970s that things began to get complicated, and I want to avoid that).
However, I do have a huge chunk of the series planned out - how it begins, how I want it to end (should that day ever come), how certain characters are introduced, power upgrades and shake-ups, and lots of little details in between - pretty much all of it is all planned out. I've still left myself room to add in other storylines, and I have a lot to work with. But I think knowing in advance where you want your story and characters to go is important.
That's pretty much all I can tell you at this point - partially because I don't want to give too much away, and partially because you guys are the only ones who can tell me if what I do is interesting or coherent. It may look awesome through my eyes, but not through yours, and the reader's opinion is what counts.
"Well when I talk to people I don't have to worry about spelling." - wannabuyamonkey
"If Schumacher’s last effort was the final nail in the coffin then Year One would’ve been the crazy guy who stormed the graveyard, dug up the coffin and put a bullet through the franchise’s corpse just to make sure." -- From a review of Darren Aronofsky & Frank Miller's "Batman: Year One" script
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Why do I hate most modern comics?
Becase they're all pretentious, homogenous crap, too filled with gratuitous sex and violence and too busy trying to be relevant to be fun or entertaining. The talentless hacks that make up the majority of modern "writers" are too busy pumping out dark and depressing re-hashes of stories that were done by genuinely talented creators twenty years ago to produce a good comic book.
That's why.
Just remember THIS, my fine, feathered felon: with the exceptions of calling me a "hack writer" and telling me to "shut the fuck up, bitch," your username and EVERY SINGLE WORD you've posted here thus far was MINE FIRST.
Twit.
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Why are you linking to your Marvel Family porn site if you don't want people there? You stupid, stupid twat.
Uschi said:I won't rape you, I'll just fuck you 'till it hurts and then not stop and you'll cry. MisterJLA: RACKS so hard, he called Jim Rome "Chris Everett." In Him, all porn is possible. He is far above mentions in so-called "blogs." RACK him, lest ye be lost! "I can't even brush my teeth without gagging!" - Tommy Tantillo: Wank & Cry, heckpuppy, and general laughingstock
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Why are you linking to your Marvel Family porn site if you don't want people there? You stupid, stupid twat.
Joe, you can't expect the crazies to act logically.
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Orson Scott Card is writing Ultimate Ironman, he's a good writer.
So I suspect that it is real good
 Racks be to MisterJLA
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Why are you linking to your Marvel Family porn site if you don't want people there? You stupid, stupid twat.
Its the same reason oakley posted a link to a neo-nazi hate group. They want new members.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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You guys wouldn't last ten minutes at the Marvels of Shazam, probably not even ten seconds. The kind of shit you guys pull won't fly over there like it does at this almost constant flame war.
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Then stop linking to it in your signature you stupid twat.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
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now, now . . .
i think we should all go over to this Marvel of Shazam messageboard so that Shazamgrrl can exercise some authority and ban all of us and feel better about herself. i mean that's what she wants after all. it'll be like an early birthday present or a christmas gift or something.
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Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl said:
You guys wouldn't last ten minutes at the Marvels of Shazam, probably not even ten seconds.
Does anyone find this line as funny as I do?
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The kind of shit you guys pull won't fly over there like it does at this almost constant flame war.
If you don't like it, stay away. Posting the link only invites raids. But you probably want that because it'll be the best attention you get in your sorry little life. Twat - go eat a box of Twinkees.
Uschi said:I won't rape you, I'll just fuck you 'till it hurts and then not stop and you'll cry. MisterJLA: RACKS so hard, he called Jim Rome "Chris Everett." In Him, all porn is possible. He is far above mentions in so-called "blogs." RACK him, lest ye be lost! "I can't even brush my teeth without gagging!" - Tommy Tantillo: Wank & Cry, heckpuppy, and general laughingstock
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You know her and her two friends are over there waiting for us to raid it.
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And by "her two friends" I mean "her other personalities".
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Heh.
RACK the dirty gay greek bastard.
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Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl said:
You guys wouldn't last ten minutes at the Marvels of Shazam, probably not even ten seconds. The kind of shit you guys pull won't fly over there like it does at this almost constant flame war.
You guys have no idea how much abuse she can put out.
Speaking of putting out, has king snarf agreed to sleep with shazamgrrl1 yet?
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she's upset because Caitlin O'Malley is a grrl witch that she came up with while writing an erotic fanfic about Captain Marvel. she's upset because by using Caitlin O'Malley - Witch Grrl as a username they're infringing on her trademark and copyright on the character. this has happened before on the DC Boards where she threatened to sue people who mention the character in her posts.
that's how i found out about this place though, when Rob banned me from there because of the threats of litigation he invited me to come over here.
Bullshit, patch. I came up with her THREE YEARS BEFORE I wrote that.
Come up with another one, douche bag.
That's enough. Take it to off topics or I'll delete your posts as they come up.
There is a difference between having rough and tumble fun and threatening to enforce your non-existent intellectual proeprty rights.
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