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Strawberry and Boggs head HOF ballot
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NEW YORK -- Five-time AL batting champion Wade Boggs, eight-time All-Star Darryl Strawberry and two-time NL batting champion Willie McGee are among 12 players who will appear on the Hall of Fame ballot for the first time.
Ryne Sandberg, Bruce Sutter, Jim Rice, Andre Dawson and Rich Gossage head the returning players on the ballots, which will be mailed this week to eligible voters in the Baseball Writers' Association of America.
Also among the newcomers announced Monday are three-time All-Star outfielder Chili Davis, 1993 AL Cy Young Award winner Jack McDowell, three-time All-Star reliever Jeff Montgomery, four-time All-Star pitcher Mark Langston and longtime knuckleballer and ESPN.com analyst Tom Candiotti.
Pete Rose, once again, will not be on the ballot because he is on baseball's permanently ineligible list, the result of a 1989 agreement that followed an investigation of his gambling.
Rose, who earlier this year admitted he bet on baseball while managing the Cincinnati Reds in the 1980s, must gain reinstatement within the next year to appear on the 2006 ballot, the final year he would be eligible for the BBWAA vote.
While Rose applied for reinstatement in 1997, baseball commissioner Bud Selig has not ruled and will not give a timetable for a decision.
Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley were elected to the Hall last year, while Sandberg was 71 votes short of the required 75 percent needed for election.
Boggs, a 12-time All-Star during 18 major league seasons with Boston, the New York Yankees and Tampa Bay, is 23rd on the career list with 3,010 hits, and he was the only player to homer for his 3,000th hit.
Boggs had a .328 career average and set an AL record by reaching 200 hits for seven straight seasons, and won two Gold Gloves at third base.
McGee, a four-time All-Star outfielder, was a .295 career hitter with 2,254 hits and 352 steals
Strawberry hit 335 homers during a 17-year major league career with the New York Mets and Yankees, Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Strawberry was suspended from baseball in 1995 and 2000 for testing positive for cocaine and in 1999 following an arrest on a possession charge. He served 11 months in prison in 2002-03 for violating probation on a cocaine possession charge.
Voting ends Dec. 31, and the results will be announced Jan. 4. Writers who have been members of the BBWAA for 10 consecutive years or more are eligible for vote.
The complete ballot (x-first time eligible)
x-Jim Abbott, Bert Blyleven, x-Wade Boggs, x-Tom Candiotti, Dave Concepcion, x-Chili Davis, Andre Dawson, Steve Garvey, Rich Gossage, Tommy John, x-Mark Langston, Don Mattingly, x-Jack McDowell, x-Willie McGee, x-Jeff Montgomery, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, x-Otis Nixon, Dave Parker, x-Tony Phillips, Jim Rice, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, x-Terry Steinbach, x-Darryl Strawberry, Bruce Sutter, Alan Trammell.
I'm betting on Sandberg and Rice. I think Boggs and Straw have too much baggage to get in on the first ballot.
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boggs should make it in, round one
strawberry will probably make it in, but probably shouldn't. same with sandberg and rice.
the hall is just a weird process ... they should either make it super elite or welcoming of all the "very goods." right now, acceptance just seems too vague.
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You don't think Wade's fling with Margo and how it was publicized will hold him back? I was thinking it will because it was pretty messy. Not that he won't get in, just not on the first ballot. Same with Straw.
Tommy John should make it just for revolutionizing elbow surgery.
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tommy john's doctor's did that  boggs' scandal was pretty bad at the time, but in retrospect, almost common place with today's atheletes. more importantly, to baseball anyway, his scandal didn't affect baseball at all and, thus, barely happened! 7 seasons of 200+ hits is hall worthy, even aside from his career 3,000+ hits and nearly .330 average
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I suppose so. I'm not a fan of players making it in on the first ballot when others get nominated over and over again and are eventually forgotten. It's almost as though if you don't make it in on the first two, you ain't going in.
I think Andre Dawson has a chance. Love to see Mark Langston but I just don't think he should really seriously be considered.
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eh, honestly, i think if you don't make it in on the first ballot, you probably shouldn't. however, i'm a big believer of making the hall of fame more elite than it currently is.
to me, too many players in the past few years have made it in without a spectacular season amongst them. kirby puckett comes to mind, immediately. puckett was fantastic in all regards, make no mistake about it. but amongst the games all time greats? no way. its doubtful he was in the top ten of his time.
if pucket makes it, its hard to argue against strawberry. or even sandberg. or don mattingly. or eventually manny ramirez, gary sheffield, ken griffey jr, tejada, giambi, etc, etc... guys who would, at one point, be debatable would now be shoe-ins ... even with the actual shoe ins, like clemens and bonds and henderson, etc.
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Boggs has 3K hits. That's pretty much an automatic.
Straw's numbers don't warrant the Hall. 339 home runs. Drugs. No way he's getting in.
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Boggs: He's in, first ballot. His numbers make him a lock. The Margo Adams thing is a non-factor. (Funny aside...I met his wife, Debbie, during a canned food drive. Gorgeous woman. Wonderful woman. I never understood why he'd ruin his marriage for some Margo nookie...)
Strawberry: Maybe someday, but not first ballot. Fair numbers, but not outstanding. Constant drug problems do hurt.
Sandberg: This is his year. I would've voted him in first ballot.
Rice: This is also his year. His numbers and consistency should've gotten him in. His tempestuous relationship with the media hurt him.
Rob - the difference between Puckett and Strawberry is light-years. Glaucoma cut Puckett's career short. Drugs did it to Strawberry. There's no reason to think that Puckett couldn't have continued to play outfield for the Twins if not for medical reasons. Strawberry cut his own career short. His decline in talent was due to his drug abuse. Puckett was a leader in the clubhouse, a go-to guy. Strawberry...well, Strawberry was not nearly the leader that Puckett was.
But I'll say this: Don Mattingly absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Strawberry: Maybe someday, but not first ballot. Fair numbers, but not outstanding. Constant drug problems do hurt.
In a numbers biz like MLB, you don't make the Hall on "fair" numbers. And the drug things, because it caused him to miss so much playing time, will be the dooming factor.
I can't see Straw ever in Cooperstown unless he buys a ticket.
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Glaucoma cut Puckett's career short.
aye (ooh, sorry), but that doesn't make him a hall of famer.
yes, he was a great guy and a great player and a great whatever the fuck. yes he had really good stats and a really good career and really good relationships (and his fair share of scandal). however, in my mind, there has to be a distinction between hall of fame elite and the really good at the time.
puckett was no doubt an all star during his day. but i associate the hall of fame with the games absolute greatest, and i can name 50 better players in puckett's playing days, alone.
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But I'll say this: Don Mattingly absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame.
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with the hall of fame's current policies (and especially upon immediate acceptance of puckett), then fuck yeah, mattingly should get his own wing.
but, to be fair to my own weird theory and requirements, as much as it pains me to say, i don't think mattingly should be in the hall, either.
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aye (ooh, sorry), but that doesn't make him a hall of famer.
yes, he was a great guy and a great player and a great whatever the fuck. yes he had really good stats and a really good career and really good relationships (and his fair share of scandal). however, in my mind, there has to be a distinction between hall of fame elite and the really good at the time.
puckett was no doubt an all star during his day. but i associate the hall of fame with the games absolute greatest, and i can name 50 better players in puckett's playing days, alone.
The key term is "in his day". Sandberg's numbers, by current standards, aren't all that amazing. But, when he was playing, he was considered one of the elite second basemen of his time. Jim Rice's numbers were staggering in the 70s/80s but, when compared to Bonds, Ramirez, Griffey, and other current players, are almost "the norm". Both deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame because both were elite players when they played.
It's the same thing with Kirby Puckett. His numbers may or may not have been overwhelming, back then or now. But he was, in many ways, the prototypical centerfielder of his day. Plus, he was a Minnesota baseball icon.
Strawberry was a great ballplayer until drugs took their toll on him, but he was never really an iconic player - I don't think he meant as much to the Mets, Dodgers, or Yankees as Puckett meant to the Twins.
If iconic ballplayers go into the Hall, Mattingly goes into the Hall. It's that simple. And I want some cool DC Comics swag for Xmas. 
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No love for Andre Dawson? Or Steve Garvey?
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Didn't even think of them. Dawson's problem is that he had great seasons for teams that played in the relative obscurity of Montreal. But I think he's HOF material. Steve Garvey...I can't say I know enough about him as a player.
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No love for Andre Dawson? Or Steve Garvey?
Garvey played for the Dodgers. No love.
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