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Good.
Care to rationalize why Bush took til Wednesday (not you, Wed, the day Wednesday...you know) to express any condolence?
Couldn't interrupt his vacay now, could he?
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Maybe he was too busy authorizing relief money?
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rex said: Maybe he was too busy authorizing relief money?
That's a good one!
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Where was UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan? He just came onto cameras today... seems he couldn't be assed to take off from his vacation.
If you paid any attention, the United States had sent numberous military personal, vehicles, equipment, and supplies to the area. They were one of the first to get there.
ZOD tires of this tragedy being politicized by the left, any help should be appreciated and the bickering on who's helping out or giving out the most shouldn't matter in such a terrible event.
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Great comeback asshole. Once again you're enlightened up with your wisdom.
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You still haven't replied to zods facts. Are you too afraid to? Pussy.
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Poster 1: I like cheese. Poster 2: I don't like cheese. Poster 1: But I like cheese! Poster 2: I don't care! I _don't_ like cheese! Poster 1: Well, I like cheese, and you're stupid for not liking cheese! Poster 3: I'd like to interject with a short history of the development of cheese (4000 line post follows) Poster 2: Well, I hate cheese, and your mother wears combat boots! Poster 1: Well, my mother may wear combat boots, but all the better to kick your ass! Poster 4: Hitler tried to ban guns, you know! Poster 5: Godwin's Law! Godwin's Law! Poster 6: I like cheese.
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Very good comrade whomod. It is always the correct answer to distract the neocons with pictures of flaming men.
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Jim Jackson said: Good.
Care to rationalize why Bush took til Wednesday (not you, Wed, the day Wednesday...you know) to express any condolence?
Couldn't interrupt his vacay now, could he?
yknow i knew it wouldnt take long for the scumbag segment of our society to turn this political, whats 100,000 dead people if not a good excuse to continue the whining of a lost election....
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Jim Jackson said: Good.
Care to rationalize why Bush took til Wednesday (not you, Wed, the day Wednesday...you know) to express any condolence?
Couldn't interrupt his vacay now, could he?
yknow i knew it wouldnt take long for the scumbag segment of our society to turn this political, whats 100,000 dead people if not a good excuse to continue the whining of a lost election....
Interesting.
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Though the following report is for Australians, I recommend that everyone take this into consideration if planning to donate towards relief funds... People warned to check charity collector identities Quote:
People are being warned to make sure they know who they are donating money to during tonight's New Year's Eve celebrations.
A number of charities will be collecting at fireworks events, including Oxfam and Rotary International.
The New South Wales Minister for Charities, Grant McBride, says there are reports of people posing as charity workers collecting for tsunami appeals and people should check the identification of collectors.
"This often happens is that people take advantage of the well known generosity of the Australian people when disasters happen and unfortunately those few people who do that give a bad name to collectors in general," he said.
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ZOD said: Where was UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan? He just came onto cameras today... seems he couldn't be assed to take off from his vacation.
Annan is not, ahem, my president. He does not stand to the world as the Leader of MY nation. And as the Leader of my nation, in times of crises (other than when he decides to invade sovereign natiions), I expect him to make a statement immediately, not 3 days later.
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Jim Jackson said: Good.
Care to rationalize why Bush took til Wednesday (not you, Wed, the day Wednesday...you know) to express any condolence?
Couldn't interrupt his vacay now, could he?
yknow i knew it wouldnt take long for the scumbag segment of our society to turn this political, whats 100,000 dead people if not a good excuse to continue the whining of a lost election....
And here I thought you liked me.
Oh well.
Most of your posts lately have been about your obsession with man-sex anyway, which I can get in a dozen other forums.
Let me know when you have something useful to say.
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World - Reuters Tsunami Wipes Entire Thai Village Off Map 1 hour, 22 minutes ago By Mark Bendeich BAN NAMKHEM, Thailand (Reuters) - This fishing village just north of Thailand's Khao Lak beach does not exist any more and Maitri Sayput, 47, thinks that after Sunday's tsunami she is one of its few survivors.
The giant waves that wrought destruction around the shores of the Indian Ocean, killing more than 120,000 people, left only the two-story school building standing in Ban Namkhem, which occupied a shallow depression behind the beach.
The wooden houses that were home to an estimated 1,700 families -- perhaps 5,000 people or more -- are gone. All that remains is a sea of mud. Pigs were rooting through it on Friday, weaving their way around big fishing boats carried deep inland.
The tsunami struck at the worst time: the fishermen were at home, waiting for the tide to turn, and school was out, leaving the only safe haven empty and children playing in the streets.
"The water took my baby away," Maitri said Friday, recalling how she made her escape by bike, hauling aboard her three daughters, aged 7, 12 and 18, before speeding inland as fast as she could.
The tsunami overtook her, tore the 7-year-old and the eldest daughter away and finally deposited her and the 12-year-old 1 km (1,000 yards) inland.
Maitri said she had no news of her husband or the two missing daughters. She and other villagers feared that thousands lay beneath the mud that was once a busy, self-sufficient community, which also relied on a small prawn farm.
Heavy equipment to dig through the mud to retrieve bodies has only just started work in earnest, some villagers said, in contrast to Khao Lak 30 km (20 miles) away where all kinds of mechanical equipment were clearing debris as early as Wednesday.
More than 3,100 bodies have been retrieved from Khao Lak's beach and its crumpled luxury hotels, nearly 2,000 of them foreigners. Some villagers felt that up to 2,000 could be buried beneath the baking mud of Ban Namkhem.
"At the time, the men were not out fishing. It was low tide," said Sunit Ketpia, a water carter who bundled his wife, 11-year-old daughter and 9-year-old son into a car and sped to safety.
"There aren't enough machines to work here, they have to work many more days to finish everything," he said.
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Jim Jackson said: Good.
Care to rationalize why Bush took til Wednesday (not you, Wed, the day Wednesday...you know) to express any condolence?
Couldn't interrupt his vacay now, could he?
yknow i knew it wouldnt take long for the scumbag segment of our society to turn this political, whats 100,000 dead people if not a good excuse to continue the whining of a lost election....
And here I thought you liked me.
Oh well.
Most of your posts lately have been about your obsession with man-sex anyway, which I can get in a dozen other forums.
Let me know when you have something useful to say.
i find it low that people want to politicize death and carnage, whatever side theyre on right wing nuts did it when we helped in the balkans and left wing ones are out here.....and you can never get as high quality posts about man-sex as on the rkmbs which further dillutes any claims you have made.....
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mxy i expected that shit outta everyone else but not you! i suppose you think you can find better man-sex comments elswhere too? well fuck you! thats some of the most upatriotic american stuff ive heard from a foriegner!
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Good.
Care to rationalize why Bush took til Wednesday (not you, Wed, the day Wednesday...you know) to express any condolence?
Couldn't interrupt his vacay now, could he?
yknow i knew it wouldnt take long for the scumbag segment of our society to turn this political, whats 100,000 dead people if not a good excuse to continue the whining of a lost election....
BSAMS> IMO, if 'politicizing' this crisis brings releif, faster and more of it to people whose lives are literally on the clock, then why not?
It seems to me that you think Bush is like some religious figure who's above reproach.
It seems to me also that Bush himself thinks he's like some religious figure who's above reproach what with his little hissy of a press conference the other day where he managed to look both annoyed and arrogant at the same time. He's ...mis..infor..med".
I don't know if your a christian man bsams, but Jesus once taught a lesson that seems to have been lost on everyone offended by Bush being questioned. This is what I was thinking when he was giving his indignant press conference. And of course how misguided all these self-professing conservative christians really are for not remembering this lesson as well.
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The Widow's Gift Mark 12:41-43
The temple was big and beautiful. Many people came there to worship God. Inside the temple were some big money boxes. People put money in them. The money was for the temple and all that was used in worship to God.
One day Jesus sat across from the money boxes. He saw many rich people put in lots of money. Then one poor woman, a widow, walked up to the boxes. She put in two small copper coins worth less than a penny.
Jesus looked at his friends. "This poor woman put in more than the rich people did," he said. "Here's why: the rich people still have much money left. But this woman only had two coins. She did not have any more money. The rich people only gave part of what they had. She gave all of what she had."
Since everyone but Bush and his fellow apologists are "....misinformed", again, according to Bush, here's the numbers that say otherwise.
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Government aid and private giving, per person, per day in 2002:
Country: Government / Private
Norway : $1.02 / $0.24
Denmark : 0.84 / 0.01
Sweden : 0.61 / 0.01
Netherlands : 0.57 / 0.04
Switzerland : 0.35 / 0.07
Belgium : 0.28 / 0.02
Ireland : 0.28 / 0.06
France : 0.25 / 0.01
Finland: 0.24 / 0.01
Britain : 0.23 / 0.02
Japan : 0.20 / 0.004
Austria : 0.18 / 0.02
Canada : 0.17 / 0.02
Australia: 0.14 / 0.03
United States: 0.3 / 0.05
Italy: 0.11 / 0.002
Spain: 0.11 / 0.01
Portugal : 0.9 / 0.001
New Zealand: 0.8 / 0.01
Greece : 0.7 / 0.001
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CATASTROPHE IN SOUTHERN ASIA
U.S. Aid Generous and Stingy
It depends on how the numbers are crunched -- total dollars or a slice of the overall economy.
By Sonni Efron, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — Americans think of themselves as the most generous people on Earth. So to many, it came as a shock to hear that the U.S. response to the southern Asian tsunami this week was considered stingy.
But views of American generosity depend on who is doing the measuring and how.
By total money, the United States by far donates more than any other country in the world. This is the gauge preferred by most U.S. officials.
But when aid is calculated per U.S. citizen or as a percentage of the economy, the United States ranks among the least generous in the industrialized world.
As U.S. officials and foreign aid experts debate which measure is more apt, the issue is another example of how Americans' views of themselves differ from those from around the world.
"I don't take kindly to comments from the U.N. calling these miserly responses, when we're the ones who generally foot the bill, and we will in this one," said Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.), referring to comments this week from U.N. aid officials questioning initial U.S. aid offers.
The Bush administration now is pledging much more, at least $35 million, up from $15 million, and said the amount would rise further. Still, others in Washington sympathize with the view held outside U.S. borders that Americans can afford more.
"It's embarrassing," said Tim Rieser, an aide to Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) who works on foreign aid issues in the Senate and was in the Sri Lankan capital when the tsunami struck. "Nothing illustrates this more vividly than that out of a trillion-dollar budget, we provide less than 1% for foreign assistance and far less than 1% for humanitarian aid.
"Our ability to give far exceeds what we do give," Rieser said.
Critics of U.S. giving often cite statistics from the Paris-based Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development, which each year measures overseas development assistance as a percentage of gross national income for the 22 leading industrialized nations.
In 2003, the United States ranked dead last on OECD's list, spending only 0.15% of its national income. Other Western countries contributed more. Norway spent 0.92% of its national income; France 0.4% and Britain 0.34%.
Officials in both the Bush and the Clinton administrations have argued that the OECD statistics are misleading. The OECD does not measure many forms of assistance provided by the U.S. government other than formal foreign aid, officials said.
Although the OECD measure puts U.S. spending on foreign aid at $16.2 billion last year, the U.S. Agency for International Development counts U.S. giving differently. USAID officials point to its report on aid in 2000 saying government assistance to developing countries totaled $22.6 billion. Further, private assistance — including giving by individuals, religious groups, foundations, corporations, universities and others — was an additional $33.6 billion, said USAID, for a total of more than $56 billion.
Still, many outside the U.S. government believe that aid spending should not include some military expenditures or funds to promote democracy.
Even using the American view of largess, the United States comes up short compared with other nations, said Patrick Cronin, a former assistant administrator for policy and program coordination at USAID under President Bush.
"We have to do more," said Cronin, now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think-tank. "But we have to do it smart, and we have to change the debate away from a simple redistribution of wealth to a discussion of … aid effectiveness."
A different key measure of international generosity was devised by the Center for Global Development and Foreign Policy magazine. It ranked rich countries' contributions to the poor in terms of contributions through aid, trade, investment, technology, security, technology and the environment. Countries got points for the quality as well as the quantity of their aid and contributions.
On that scale, the U.S. ranked seventh out of 21 nations, behind Canada, Britain, Australia, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands.
Japan, which is one of the world's largest aid donors but collects huge interest payments on its development loans, ranked last.
The scale found that U.S. contributions of pure foreign aid was relatively much lower than other countries'. The U.S. scored higher on immigration and trade. Allowing foreigners and foreign products into the country are considered measures of how much a rich country is willing to help poorer ones.
But the study upended the commonly held view that shortfalls in U.S. government aid for the global poor were made up by private American contributions.
It found that U.S. government foreign aid in 2002 worked out to 13 cents per American a day. Private donations from U.S. citizens amounted to 5 cents per person a day.
But in 16 other countries, governments gave more. And in three other countries — Switzerland, Ireland and Norway — private citizens gave more.
The Norwegian government gave $1.02 per citizen a day while private giving came to 24 cents a day.
Cronin said that U.S. per capita giving would never match that of Norway, a nation of 4.5 million. On the other hand, the United States makes many other contributions that are hard to quantify in dollar terms, he said, including using its military prowess for worldwide peacekeeping operations that benefit others, or airlifting tsunami relief supplies to remote areas and sending in ships that desalinate water.
"We're not going to hand out the Nobel Peace Prize, but we are going to go into harm's way and provide international security in a way Norway won't, even though they are a staunch U.S. ally," Cronin said.
David Roodman, one of the architects of the Center for Global Development study, argued that no wealthy country was giving enough to the poor.
"Stingy, of course, is a relative term," Roodman said. "I wouldn't say the entire world is stingy. But helping the rest of the world is clearly a low priority in making our policies, and that's true in every country to a greater or lesser extent."
U.S. overseas assistance aid declined in the late 1990s but has increased under Bush from $10 billion in 2000 to $16 billion in 2004. That represents about a quarter of total aid from all the industrialized countries.
At the same time, without another large spending hike, U.S. commitments to Iraq and Afghanistan and now the 11 tsunami-stricken nations are expected to strain the budget for aid to other parts of the world.
Some critics compared Bush's $35-million pledge for the tsunami victims with the roughly $1 billion a week the U.S. was spending in Iraq.
Although the American left has traditionally lobbied for more foreign aid, it is the Christian right that is credited with convincing the administration to spend more on fighting global AIDS and on hunger in Africa. Christian groups also pressed Bush to increase relief efforts for the tsunami victims.
Given the war in Iraq, political efforts in the Muslim world are especially sensitive. Some critics have argued that the administration should have jumped at a chance to show its generosity over a natural disaster that hit Asian Muslims.
In an interview with ABC News' "Nightline," outgoing Secretary of State Colin L. Powell defended the administration's efforts on behalf of Muslims. He said the U.S. had played an important role in Kosovo, Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan, where he maintained Muslim populations were freed from oppression.
"So we have nothing to apologize for with respect to what we have tried to do to help Muslims over the years," Powell said. "And this [tsunami aid] is another example of our willingness to help."
The Bush administration has tried to focus its aid on key goals such as economic and political reform. And its Millennium Challenge Account aid program is designed to give assistance to countries that use it most effectively toward those ends.
Some applaud those goals, saying Americans should insist on productive use of aid. Others, like David L. Phillips of the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, said the Bush administration "sees development assistance through an ideological prism."
"Its approach to foreign aid is based on a democracy and freedom criteria," Phillips said. "There's nothing wrong with linking aid to democratic development, but that shouldn't preclude countries that are just starting on the path to democracy from benefiting from foreign aid."
Times staff writers Paul Richter and Peter Wallsten in Washington contributed to this report.
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ive donated to several of them already.... Quote:
It seems to me that you think Bush is like some religious figure who's above reproach.
....thats far from the truth but jim much like many on the poilitical shows was using this tragedy as an opportunity to bash, when clearly and factually the US was already doing more than any one country, he wants to dig about timing of a public statement. i think the peope on the ground over there were more concerned with the water being sent then how many days before a public statement. public statements are political tools this is about helping people not beefing up your numbers. other countries came out with big numbers about how much they were sending but in reality it can only be sent as it is used you can say we are committing 5 billion dollars but in reality its not all going there that second. the us was stating how much was imedialtey sent and they update as more is sent. so i suppose he could have grandstanded but that doesnt help the people effected at all does it? so throw out a big number like that amount is actually being spent right now and look good or be factual......
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geebus cripes... this too?
guys, get some priorities.
bush: unimportant US: unimportant politics: unimportant
100,000 dead in what could develop into being the worst tragedy of all time?
you need this pointed out to you?
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guys, get some priorities.
bush: unimportant US: unimportant politics: unimportant
100,000 dead in what could develop into being the worst tragedy of all time?
you need this pointed out to you?
Rob, I think the point was
money: of the upmost importance.
you need this...... ah forget it..
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geebus cripes... this too?
guys, get some priorities.
bush: unimportant
US: unimportant
politics: unimportant
100,000 dead in what could develop into being the worst tragedy of all time?
you need this pointed out to you?
Rob. Please.
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guys, get some priorities.
bush: unimportant US: unimportant politics: unimportant
100,000 dead in what could develop into being the worst tragedy of all time?
you need this pointed out to you?
um i already said this....pay attention rob....
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money: of the upmost importance.
you need this...... ah forget it..
Agreed. It's really a discussion about what the U.S. is or isn't doing about the current situation overseas.
Bringing the topic home, so to speak.
And the fact that this doesn't hit home like 9-11 makes it tougher for many to discuss the personal horror for pages and pages. Sad but true.
And if this thread hadn't sparked a religious or political debate, it would have never survived in this forum this long. Sad but true.
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theres no debate, politicizing this was out of line, period.....
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britneyspearsatemyshorts said: i find it low that people want to politicize death and carnage, whatever side theyre on right wing nuts did it when we helped in the balkans and left wing ones are out here.....and you can never get as high quality posts about man-sex as on the rkmbs which further dillutes any claims you have made.....
I find it low that the President of the Unitd States took until Wednesday to make any kind of public statement expressing condolence.
If you feel my remarks are "dilluted" for whatever reason, then stop bothering to read what I have to say. It's that simple.
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Rob Kamphausen said: geebus cripes... this too?
guys, get some priorities.
bush: unimportant US: unimportant politics: unimportant
100,000 dead in what could develop into being the worst tragedy of all time?
you need this pointed out to you?
Rob, if we can't examine our government, its elected officials, and their actions and reactions, AT ANY TIME, then we might as well fucking hang it up, burn the Constitution, and call it a day.
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wow, i stand corrected.
you do need it.
sad.
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And you're a Christian? If so, I'm sure Jesus is proud of you this day.
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Rob Kamphausen said: wow, i stand corrected.
you do need it.
sad.
Et tu, Rob?
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And you're a Christian? If so, I'm sure Jesus is proud of you this day.
I am not a christian. But I'm sure Jesus loves me he loves everyone. I don't think he takes pride in me having to point out people using tragedies for their political agendas either.
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And you're a Christian? If so, I'm sure Jesus is proud of you this day.
I am not a christian. But I'm sure Jesus loves me he loves everyone. I don't think he takes pride in me having to point out people using tragedies for their political agendas either.
I don't have a political agenda.
Bush won. The election is over. I'm well aware of this.
But I refuse to sit back, regardless of tragedy, and be silent about the President of MY country and his actions (or lack thereof).
Rob, me being silent does not do one whit of good for any of those suffering immeasurable losses.
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