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Matter-eater Man said:
I have my doubts that Rudy would have a chance of winning the Republican primary though.

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Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a prospective 2008 presidential candidate, has won the latest Quinnipiac University poll popularity contest, ranking highest in the warm and fuzzy feeling that voters have for politicians.

Giuliani rose eight notches over two months ago, according to the poll released Monday. On the flip side, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry dropped 15 seats to rank 20th.

Sens. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and John McCain, R-Ariz., both also strong contenders for a White House run next election, won second and third place respectively in the gauge of voters' "thermometer readings."

"As we enter the presidential campaign of 2008, Giuliani and McCain clearly are in enviable positions. They are well regarded and most Americans are quite familiar with them. Obama's showing is impressive, but four in 10 Americans still don't know enough about him to have an opinion," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

The survey of 1,623 registered voters nationwide was conducted Nov. 13-19, the week after the midterm election. With a margin of error of 2.4 percent, the poll rates the warmth of voters' feelings for their leaders on a scale of 0-100.

Giuliani has yet to announce trips to key presidential proving-ground states like Iowa and New Hampshire, although he's expected to reveal a trip list soon.

But several Giuliani supporters are eyeing a front-loaded primary calendar that could have big states like Florida and New Jersey - where social issues are not so weighty and security is a major concern - vote earlier, a move that is seen as beneficial to him.

If states like Jersey - where a move is afoot to move the primary to early February 2008 - and Florida hold their votes earlier, it could diminish the impact of the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, both of which are dominated by social conservatives. McCain, who won New Hampshire in the 2000 election, is leading polls there.

Several insiders said the ability to organize in such states is part of what Giuliani's biggest political hire so far, Republican National Committee political director Mike DuHaime, brings to the table. DuHaime used to head the Jersey GOP and is a veteran field organizer with experience in key states around the country.

DuHaime is also likely to bring other officials from the RNC over to Giuliani's exploratory committee, the insiders said.

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Rangel: I support Giuliani-Kerik ticket in 2008

NEW YORK (AP) -- Never say New Yorkers don't have sense of humor -- especially when they can stick it to the other side.
A powerful New York Democrat, a mischievous gleam in his eye, is offering an early endorsement in the 2008 presidential race, where the field includes many hometown hopefuls like former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Gov. George Pataki and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
"I'm supporting Giuliani for the Republican," Rep. Charles Rangel said Monday, pausing briefly before delivering the punchline. "Kerik, as well," he added, referring to Giuliani's disgraced former police commissioner Bernard Kerik.
Kerik pleaded guilty earlier this year to misdemeanor charges of taking money from contractors with alleged mob ties, when he was the city's corrections chief. He was also President Bush's choice to head the Department of Homeland Security, but the nomination was scrapped after questions arose about his background.
Political observers say Giuliani's relationship with Kerik could be a problem if the former mayor goes ahead with a run for president.

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Revealed: Rudy's '08 battle plans
Rudy Giuliani, at one of his frequent speeches, hasn't answered question of whether he will run for President.

Among the potential liabilities listed in the plan are Giuliani's ex-wife Donna Hanover.

Giuliani's third wife, Judith Nathan.

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On the bright side, at least his other wives are not considered political liabilities

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Many of the pages from Giuliani's secret road map to the Oval Office deal with fund-raising issues.


It's clearly laid out in 140 pages of printed text, handwriting and spreadsheets: The top-secret plan for Rudy Giuliani's bid for the White House.


The remarkably detailed dossier sets out the budgets, schedules and fund-raising plans that will underpin the former New York mayor's presidential campaign - as well as his aides' worries that personal and political baggage could scuttle his run.


At the center of his efforts: a massive fund-raising push to bring in at least $100 million this year, with a scramble for at least $25 million in the next three months alone.


The loss of the battle plan is a remarkable breach in the high-stakes game of presidential politics and a potentially disastrous blunder for Giuliani in the early stages of his campaign.
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the G-man said:
Any one who supported Clinton (either one) has a hell of a lot of nerve saying that Giuliani's private life disqualifies him as President.

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Matter-eater Man said:
btw, as far as I know Hillary never cheated on her husband so I'm mystified why you would include her in your post G-man. She endured one of the biggest humiliations while the whole world watched (& some cheered) I think she showed that she can take the heat & even use it to make a marvelous meal.

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Matter-eater Man said:
btw, as far as I know Hillary never cheated on her husband so I'm mystified why you would include her in your post G-man. She endured one of the biggest humiliations while the whole world watched (& some cheered) I think she showed that she can take the heat & even use it to make a marvelous meal.

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Actually, employees of the Arkansas Governor's Mansion constantly linked her and the Chief of the State Police in a love affair during Bill's first term in office.

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I'm not counting the rumor mongering. Going by that she also was having tons of lesbian sex too while having people assasinated. There are people who are willing to make things up about the Clintons in between obsessing with Obama's middle name.

As I mentioned more than a few people really were happy to see her go through the Lewinski thing. Cap's post kind of underscores it with his post. He reads the ugliest things into Hillary Clinton that he really has no way of knowing about her character. All the while not saying a word about Giuliani's adultery?

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thedoctor said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
btw, as far as I know Hillary never cheated on her husband so I'm mystified why you would include her in your post G-man. She endured one of the biggest humiliations while the whole world watched (& some cheered) I think she showed that she can take the heat & even use it to make a marvelous meal.

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Actually, employees of the Arkansas Governor's Mansion constantly linked her and the Chief of the State Police in a love affair during Bill's first term in office.

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I'm not counting the rumor mongering. Going by that she also was having tons of lesbian sex too while having people assasinated. There are people who are willing to make things up about the Clintons in between obsessing with Obama's middle name.

As I mentioned more than a few people really were happy to see her go through the Lewinski thing. Cap's post kind of underscores it with his post. He reads the ugliest things into Hillary Clinton that he really has no way of knowing about her character. All the while not saying a word about Giuliani's adultery?

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the G-man said:...
Apparently, the Democratic party thinks that Republicans should be held to a different standard than their own candidates. Shocking.

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Mayor's client roster could hurt '08 hopes

BY DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani is weighing the ups and downs of a possible run for the presidency next time around - in 2008.
Rudy Giuliani never shrank from defending his image as mayor, but as a businessman he's gone a step further - even trademarking his own name, the Daily News has learned.

The unusual step, revealed in a recent Giuliani company contract obtained by The News, states under the heading "Use of Mr. Giuliani's Name" that the "trade names and trademarks 'Rudolph Giuliani,' or 'Giuliani Partners LLC' . . . shall not be used . . . without prior written consent."

Doing anything that "tarnishes, degrades, disparages or reflects adversely on the Giuliani" name, it adds, will be grounds for terminating the contract.

As Giuliani now ponders a run for the White House, the document underscores what has become a central question of his candidacy - how will the former mayor's roster of mostly private business clients play when viewed through the harsh prism of presidential campaign politics?

It is clearly something the mayor's own people are worried about: In a list of potential "problems" written inside a Giuliani campaign dossier and obtained by The News last week from a source sympathetic to a rival campaign, the word "business" appears at the top of the list, above even his ex-wife, Donna Hanover.

Apparently, Giuliani's own aides are already imagining the negative ads that could spring from his business dealings.

In the five years that Giuliani has worked in the private sector, his clients have run the gamut, from gambling interests like the National Thoroughbred Racing Association, which may further trouble Christian conservative voters, to large power-generators like the Atlanta-based Southern Co., which environmentalists regard as among the worst polluters in the nation.

He has lent his name to every corner of the energy industry - representing nuclear, oil and natural gas concerns - and worked with the pharmaceutical industry to keep cheap prescription drugs from flowing into the U.S. from Canada.

And that's just what is publicly known.
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So it's now Rudy Giuliani ™

edited to fix TM just for the Cap

The leak of the 140-page brief prepared by advisers of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has been the talk of Washington for more than a week, and by late last week, consensus was that the document was leaked by sources with ties to the presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain.

Giuliani's document was intended to give the former mayor and his senior supporters a broad overview of what would be required to mount a presidential campaign for the 2008 cycle. It is similar to documents prepared for other candidates, including former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, and Sen. Sam Brownback.

Giuliani, who rates as highly as McCain on such issues as national security and homeland defense, but is more moderate on some social issues, is viewed as the major threat to McCain in the center/moderate Republican arena.

"There was nothing in that document that just about everyone who know Rudy wasn't already aware of or talking about," says a Giuliani supporter. "Okay, it was embarrassing that it was lost and made public, but there is nothing here that should doom his candidacy."

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Giuliani stumbles at 'What does a mayor know about Iraq?'

David Edwards
Published: Wednesday January 24, 2007

On NBC this morning, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani had his foreign policy credentials questioned. As he defended the president's escalation plan, with his own additional remarks about measuring the success of the plan, Giuliani was asked point blank "What does a mayor know about what's going on in Iraq, and foreign policy?"

The remark was prompted by Giuliani's comparison of securing Baghdad with his programs to decrease crime in New York City. The presidential hopeful offered up a variety of evidence of who he has spoken with and his travels as proof that he could speak on foreign policy.

Giuliani also referred to Anbar, the violent Sunni province in Iraq, as "Anwar."

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the G-man said:
I didn't realize we were electing the President of Iraq.



Man, Rudy has you terrified. Of all the candidates here, he's the one you spend the most time attacking, even though he's more moderate (and, therefore, closer in views to you) than either McCain or Rommney.

I can only speculate that this means the internal Clinton polling numbers show Rudy crushing her more decisively than any other candidate would.

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The temperature outside was a frigid 11 degrees below zero, but former Mayor Rudy Giuliani easily warmed a crowd of New Hampshire voters last night in his first speech in this presidential battleground since announcing he was exploring a bid for the White House

Rudy Giuliani crushes Sen. John McCain in most categories of a new poll, but Democratic Chairman Howard Dean believes that Giuliani will be rejected by Republican voters.

Dean says he thinks the former mayor will be ousted during the GOP's primaries because of his support for gay and abortion rights.