RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Writer's Block Vanguard Discussion

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The Indestructible Man said:
The new "Vanguard Issue #1" MUST be named "Snakes on a Plane"!

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Prometheus said:
The next person who says they don't understand.....



....I'm going to shoot all of these people...

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Grimm said:
just to put my perspective out there:

this universe/story is not about the past or exploring the changes of the world. yes, the characters are dealing with the changes they've gone through right now. that's what an introductory story is for.

once the team is settled and we move on to other stories, I imagine things will be different.

as for Grimm, I've tried to deliberately be vague about just what he does or doesn't remember. for all intents and purposes, he's a "new" character free and clean of any baggage. and I never said he was from "this" universe. so there.

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Prometheus said:
Does everyone actually understand the concept okay? I kind of hoped I could avoid literally explaining it, and let our writing define it. But, I don't want the same kind of confusion that led to the demise of the original writings. So, here is the best, loose way I can sum it up...

One Year Ago......

Mxy inadvertently (?) altered time and space. The Vanguard Universe we know was re-written. In some ways, it remained exactly the same. In others, it was completely different. The figures that lived within this universe lived their lives on, never knowing any difference.

For one year.

After one year, a figure calling himself Prometheus pulled eleven beings from the world, and rebooted their memory back to its original status. For these eleven, the last year does not exist in their memory. They do not know why they have changed in the ways they have, nor do they understand what details have changed in the world. Not yet.

Why Prometheus did this remains unknown.

The identities of some of the eleven remain a mystery.

However, these have been confirmed as remembering:

1) Ozzy Baxter
2) Lykopis
3) Adem Different
4) Victor Reilley
5) Icarus Sidewinder
6) Edmund Gaunt
7) Grimm
8) Phil's character
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11)

The following people may remember the universe as before. But, without further clarification, it remains unknown:

Link Fox
{Euro's character}
Grissom Montag

These character do not remember the original universe:

Eddie

*Artemis Cross is a character from outside the universe, and therefore, does not count within this list. He was never part of the original universe, and therefore, can know both universes equally*

The characters main purpose for now: Find out what has changed, why, and how it can be corrected. Their mission: Locate the being known as "Mxy".

So, does this clarification help?

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The Indestructible Man said:
Euro, have you EVER had a charactrer who ages in linear time?

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Eurostar said:
Now, in my previous post I explained why I am interested into this story. I see you have listed Eddie among the ones who remembers.
I think a child three year old can't be aware of the world around him (aside home and parents), so I guess you can scrap him from the list.
But what interest me is that Eddie has been pulled like the other eleven from the altered reality and and has been SUDDENLY found himself grown up.
I don't know what Doc though, but what I find brilliant about his stuff is that I have to write the mind of a three year old kid into a young adult. If you give me a kid that's has been already one year in the body of an adult, the fun is lost.

So, if you concede me this, and don't consider it a lack of respect of Doc's works, but just a reallignment, I will be extremely happy to join you.

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Ok, let me explain what I was attempting to do with that post. Honestly, I think you've put Educore through just about everything he can go through. I also figured that Eddie was the next character you had the most emotional attachment to. He's the younger Eurostar, so to speak. As you said, how can a three year-old mind be aware of the world around him? Especially if he's on the run? To further that, how can a three year-old mind get accustomed to growing up in less than a year (my exact words in the post. Three months, five months, who knows.)? This is what I thought I left you with:

• An Eddie left to fend for himself in a mental state where he is not capable of doing so. How can a three year-old, even in a 23 year-old's body live on his own in the world?
  
  
• An Eddie with a problem he can't understand. Once again, I just can't imagine him being used to his body. He's grown, not all at once, in less than a year. Also, is this process finished, or ongoing? Will Eddie continue to age?
  
  
• What powers, if any, does Eddie have?
  
  
• Why was Educore running? What was after him? Or what was he after? Why live the life he'd put Eddie through? Was Walker after him again (or for the first time)?
  
  
• Most important: Why is Educore dead? Who or what killed him? Was it natural? Did someone finally get to him? Could it even have been Eddie himself?

I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, but I didn't want to give a direction for the character. I thought that should have been up to you, if you wanted it. I'm willing to delete what I posted if you'd like; or you could just ignore it. You're the one writing it, it's up to you. I was just trying to give you something new with a great deal of room for you to work with, is all.

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The Indestructible Man said:
And Happy Birthday, Grimm

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Eurostar said:
Don't feel sorry, it was very good and I appreciated it, especially the fact that you took my request.

I should say that most of the points above, that for a person who wrote Vanguard but, I guess, had no interest into reading the solo things I have written lately, could seems an interesting spin, they have been somehow been touched before, and seem to come out directly from what I was writing. I know it's a coincidence, but I didn't found the astonishment I was looking, and I concentrated over the only appeal I had in it, the idea of a three year old that like all the children of that age dreams of become an adult in the matter of a night, and that "magically" it did.

The "being on the run" seems to spring out directly from the aborted Worldwalkers story (and the use of it as the past of Eddie I did in my Last days of Vanguard solo); that, too, other than the reference to Ed having been associated to Grissom, gave me the wrong impression that Eddie was one of those that remembered the past.

So, while you created a situation for you (and most of the others) new, I saw it ashaving still Ed and Eddie on the run from EnKi and Aurochs.

Sure, there was the question of how Edulcore died, but I was unable to cope with how Eddie was remembering the past and still having lived the whole year, and so I tried to rectify it without contraddiction too much. After all, what I was interested in (what astonished me of your take) was to pair Eddie with my daughter and her dream to finally being answered in her prayer to become "a grown -up".

So, I thank you anyway for your post; I ask you, also, to delete it; I am thorn between using your Eddie and another character I have talked about with Pro, but in any case, whatever character I will use, it's better if he "enters the stage" much later, without meeting the Vanguardians right now.

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Well, it's gone now; so you have a clean slate to do as you please.

Honestly, I did copy many of the things you'd previously written on purpose. Though this may be a new timeline or universe or whatever you want to call it, there are obviously things that are similar. Though Montag may not be a meta, he definitely exists; and he has, according to Chewy's post, at least one three fingered hand (birth defect or tragic accident? ). I felt that the new came from the perspective and not just the circumstance. You may have done similar stories, but they were always Educore's stories told from his point of view. You'd never really gotten into Eddie's head, and I thought that would have been a fresh outlook on what's going on as well as the characters themselves.

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Prometheus said:
Uhhh, Grimm? You may want to delete that last post. Euro PMed me back and forth, and, he's decided he's not going with Eddie or Euro. However, Nadia may be up for use. Just letting you know before it gets confusing...

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