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come on Pro.

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I could say the same to you. Except I would substitute your name with "Pro".

Wild accusations are fun. There's a lot of that on these boards. But, don't try to pass them off as facts just because you agree with them...

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
Perfectly fine for them to do so. Myself, I see no more liberal slant than I do conservative slant. It all depends on what you're watching or listening to, who's doing to commentating, and who owns the company that is producing it. FOX is Right, CNN is Left. And it goes on and on...


Okay, let's assume your opinion of Fox and CNN are correct, but ABC, NBC and CBS are all center-liberal and, because they are broadcast networks, each one of them alone has more viewers than either Fox or CNN. And, of course, you have MSNBC which is openly trying to be the liberal new channel, with Olbermann, Matthews and Maddow.

So Pappas is correct. The liberal to conservative ratio in the media is way tilted to the Democrat Party.




Man, the gOp sure has become a party of whiners lately.

Maybe Government should step in and rectify this. Now that's irony! Or maybe, as I think, the media isn't liberal at all, it's just that the gOp has tilted so far to the right that anything not sounding like outright hate talk radio sounds "liberal" and "unfair" to them.

You know, things like needing PROOF that Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, that he's a Muslim, that' he's best friends with Bill Ayers.. Stuff like that that right wingers KNOW is true but the "liberal media" just won't report! Because of "bias" of course....


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 Originally Posted By: whomod
gOp party of whiners tilted so far to the right outright hate talk radio right wingers "liberal media"


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 Originally Posted By: whomod
...that' he's best friends with Bill Ayers.. Stuff like that that right wingers KNOW is true but the "liberal media" just won't report! Because of "bias" of course....


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 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
But, don't try to pass them off as facts just because you agree with them...


http://www.rkmbs.com/...t/1#Post1020830

 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
I just thought you were being PJP. I couldn't tell what you were trying to say, except that I think you meant that you didn't agree with the [b]facts[/] pointed out in the article



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the media, as a whole, leans to the left because liberal perspectives are, as a whole, more compelling / more dramatic. it is a business based decision, and an obvious one. newspapers and news broadcasts aren't out to report the news, they're out for sales and ratings.

its not a political conspiracy, and i don't think its some anti-right wing attack, it's simply smarter business.


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 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
Since when? According to whom? How so?


Commonsense.

Choosing to handicap your own argument by pleading ignorance is the way of the dark side.

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 Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
the media, as a whole, leans to the left because liberal perspectives are, as a whole, more compelling / more dramatic. it is a business based decision, and an obvious one. newspapers and news broadcasts aren't out to report the news, they're out for sales and ratings.

its not a political conspiracy, and i don't think its some anti-right wing attack, it's simply smarter business.


If that's the case then why does FOX get higher ratings than CBS, NBC, and CNN all the time?

What's so sad about this is that, even after saturating the airwaves with as much leftist media as possible, NBC, et al still find it hard to compete. Even Fox's own network has a slew of left-leaning shows and they still do fine.

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If that's the case then why does FOX get higher ratings than CBS, NBC, and CNN all the time?


fox has a strong ratings base because it leans in the opposite direction of most other outlets. it is a variabled option, with much of the rest telling similar stories. again, a business decision, and not some anti-left wing attack.


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Obama's faith is widely mistaken in Kentucky

RANKFORT — Public misconception is widespread in Kentucky about Barack Obama's faith, a Herald-Leader/WKYT Kentucky Poll shows.

Despite heavy national media attention about Obama's faith, more than half of likely Republican voters — 54 percent — and one of every four Democrats in the state do not know that the Democratic presidential nominee is a Christian, the poll found.

The poll showed that 14 percent of likely Kentucky voters — 28 percent of Republicans, 4 percent of Democrats and 11 percent of independents — think Obama adheres to the Muslim faith.

"With all the media attention to the fact that Obama is a Christian, it is shocking and sad to hear that any Kentuckian or anyone thinks he is a Muslim," said Mahmoud Shalash, imam of the Islamic Center of Lexington.

"I am concerned that some people are spreading this rumor for political purposes, trying to exploit the anti-Islamic sentiment in this country that ties Muslims with terrorists," Shalash said. "I don't blame the ignorant bigots as much as the educated people who try to perpetrate this."


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Colin Powell on Meet the Press last Sunday:

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"Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no. That's not America. Is there something wrong with a seven-year-old Muslim American kid believing he or she could be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion that [Obama] is a Muslim and might have an association with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America."



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nothing prejudicial about that post whatsoever!


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Actually, as noted earlier, Fox doesn't get higher ratings than the networks. The networks get higher ratings because they don't have to rely on basic cable subscribers for viewers.

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If he was open about his Muslim faith i wouldnt have any problem with it, bit why the need to hide it?

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
If he was open about his Muslim faith i wouldnt have any problem with it, bit why the need to hide it?


So tell me how Jeremiah Wright, your other favourite Obama topic is secretly Obama's Muslim cleric.

With all the conflicting smears, it must be hell trying to keep both narratives going. On one hand, Obama is a secret Muslim, on the other hand, he's attended a militant Baptist church for 20 years.

I guess it's just a matter of which smear you think is working better for you. right now though, it appears you guys are striking out. Like I've said before, it may have something to do with the frantic, ever changing nature of the smears. It makes it hard to take ANY of them seriously. And all it does is make Obama look better in the way he handles them.

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If obama wasn't such a shady douche he wouldn't have most of these problems.


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your other favourite Obama topic conflicting smears you guys are striking out frantic make Obama look better


you broke him so bad this time he's spelling things in an unAmerican way!!! \:lol\:


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 Originally Posted By: Captain Sammitch
 Originally Posted By: whomod
your other favourite Obama topic conflicting smears you guys are striking out frantic make Obama look better


you broke him so bad this time he's spelling things in an unAmerican way!!! \:lol\:



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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
But, don't try to pass them off as facts just because you agree with them...


http://www.rkmbs.com/...t/1#Post1020830

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I just thought you were being PJP. I couldn't tell what you were trying to say, except that I think you meant that you didn't agree with the [b]facts[/] pointed out in the article



\:lol\:


First of all, it's called UBB Code. Look into it.

Second, the only thing you quoting me did was highlight my points. Thanks, I guess...

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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
Since when? According to whom? How so?


Commonsense.

Choosing to handicap your own argument by pleading ignorance is the way of the dark side.


Common sense is a subjective term, not universal (save 'fire-is-hot', of course). I'll stick with reality, my friend...

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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
If that's the case then why does FOX get higher ratings than CBS, NBC, and CNN all the time?


Because fictional entertainment on the level of professional wrestling is always more fun than the actual news. Thus, FOX gets more ratings...

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 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
Common sense is a subjective term, not universal (save 'fire-is-hot', of course).


You just contradicted yourself in a single sentence. There are no exceptions that prove the rule. Sorry.

Common sense is reality.

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Because fictional entertainment on the level of professional wrestling is always more fun than the actual news. Thus, FOX gets more ratings...


 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
Since when? According to whom? How so?


Poor poor Promod.

Not being afraid to report both good and bad news apparently means everything someone says is fictional.

I'm sure Fox would apologize to you for not only reporting what would be most advantageous as their peers do.

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First of all, it's called UBB Code. Look into it...


Wow. That's almost as clever a rejoinder as correcting someone's spelling or grammar.

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 Originally Posted By: whomod
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If he was open about his Muslim faith i wouldnt have any problem with it, bit why the need to hide it?


So tell me how Jeremiah Wright, your other favourite Obama topic is secretly Obama's Muslim cleric.

With all the conflicting smears, it must be hell trying to keep both narratives going. On one hand, Obama is a secret Muslim, on the other hand, he's attended a militant Baptist church for 20 years.



This proves you're a dumbass. If your keeping your Islamic beliefs quiet, you aren't going to attend a Mosque. How insane are you?

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“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
~Ronald Reagan, 40th president of U.S.

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 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh



A broken image? Has wanky hacked your account?

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your other favourite Obama topic conflicting smears you guys are striking out frantic make Obama look better


you broke him so bad this time he's spelling things in an unAmerican way!!! \:lol\:




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http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081029/NEWS09/810290381

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A records clerk in the Toledo police investigative services bureau will face departmental charges of gross misconduct because a state database was used to access information about the Springfield Township man known worldwide as "Joe the Plumber."

The clerk, Julie McConnell, will be the subject of a disciplinary hearing, likely to be scheduled next week, Chief Mike Navarre said yesterday.

Ms. McConnell was hired by the police department in April, 1995, and is a member of Local 7, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees.

An internal investigation began when Toledo police received a call from the Ohio Highway Patrol, asking why information on Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher was pulled. The chief said Ms. McConnell looked up the information at the request of a local television reporter to confirm Mr. Wurzelbacher's address.

The reporter was interviewed as part of the investigation.

Such information, though found on public records, was accessed through the Law Enforcement Automated Data System, often called LEADS.

"You can't use that database unless it was for law enforcement purposes," Chief Navarre said. "If a crime was committed and she was looking up the address or the name of a victim or witness, that would be OK."


This poor soul will likely have to take the fall for the Obama campaign...

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And she should be fired, no doubt. She was wrong to do what she did...

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she likely will, but Joe The Plumber doesn't get the privacy Obama's campaign ripped from him back.

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I actually think from what I am hearing she is innocent. Yes she did something bad but she was kind of fooled into doing it by the reporter. She'll be reprimanded for sure but I need to find out more about her before I call for her firing. Sounds like a one time poor lapse in judgement.......just like Obama with Fleger and Wright and Kalidi and Ayers and ......well that was more than one time.

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Maybe if she was only 8 years old when that newspaper was created she will have an out...

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 Originally Posted By: Lucius Prometheus Vorenus
And she should be fired, no doubt. She was wrong to do what she did...


Promod's throwing her under the bus. Obama would be proud.

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