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Human EventsAs Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) gathers increasing attention as a potential rival to Sen. Hillary Clinton (D.-N.Y.) for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, remarkably little attention has been paid to his record
While Obama has a knack for portraying himself as an even-handed politician, who is inspired by traditional religious values, he has earned 100% ratings from Americans for Democratic Action, NARAL Pro-Choice America, the National Organization of Women, the NAACP and the NEA.
These positions contrast with the Christian faith to which he frequently refers in public appearances. Obama’s father, a Muslim who abandoned his faith for atheism, divorced Barack’s mother when Barack was two. In his 2004 keynote address to the Democratic National Convention, Barack said that his mother’s parents were a non-practicing Baptist and a non-practicing Methodist. She “grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself,” he said. “As a consequence so did I.”
After his mother remarried, Obama lived in Indonesia with his stepfather, who was conscripted into the Indonesian Army. He first attended a Catholic school there, then a Muslim school.
When speaking out against various tax cuts, Obama has likened the “Ownership Society”—which entails such things as personalized Social Security accounts, health savings accounts and school choice—to “social Darwinism.”
Obama also supported raising taxes on insurance premiums and on casino patrons, retaining the state death tax and levying a new tax on businesses.
He voted against a bill that would add penalties for crimes committed as a part of gang activity and against a bill that would make it a criminal offense for accused gang members, free on bond or probation, to associate with other gang members. In 1999, he was the only state senator to oppose a bill that prohibited early prison release for criminal sexual offenders.
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Haven't I seen you complain before about the way Democrats demonize Bush with comparisons to political villains?
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Ah, forget it. When I read it again, there's no real comparison to anyone in particular.
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Haven't I seen you complain before about the way Democrats demonize Bush with comparisons to political villains...Ah, forget it. When I read it again, there's no real comparison to anyone in particular.
As you've apparently discovered, Hussein is his actual middle name.
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Haven't I seen you complain before about the way Democrats demonize Bush with comparisons to political villains...Ah, forget it. When I read it again, there's no real comparison to anyone in particular.
As you've apparently discovered, Hussein is his actual middle name.
I think Hussein is a pretty common name with "those people."
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Haven't I seen you complain before about the way Democrats demonize Bush with comparisons to political villains...Ah, forget it. When I read it again, there's no real comparison to anyone in particular.
As you've apparently discovered, Hussein is his actual middle name.
Actually, I know a lot about him, including his middle name. I went so far as to read a good portion of The Audacity of Hope, though I think it's overrated.
Maybe the Hussein thing triggered something in me, though. I read the article and my first thought was that you were comparing him to bin Laden directly.
I don't think Hussein is Muslim.
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Haven't I seen you complain before about the way Democrats demonize Bush with comparisons to political villains...Ah, forget it. When I read it again, there's no real comparison to anyone in particular.
As you've apparently discovered, Hussein is his actual middle name.
I think Hussein is a pretty common name with "those people."
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Haven't I seen you complain before about the way Democrats demonize Bush with comparisons to political villains...Ah, forget it. When I read it again, there's no real comparison to anyone in particular.
As you've apparently discovered, Hussein is his actual middle name.
Actually, I know a lot about him, including his middle name. I went so far as to read a good portion of The Audacity of Hope, though I think it's overrated.
Maybe the Hussein thing triggered something in me, though. I read the article and my first thought was that you were comparing him to bin Laden directly.
I don't think Hussein is Muslim.
It's just a name. Though its most frequent connotations might not be the biggest PR-booster.
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This is the first time I've been made aware of Obama's middle name as being Hussein. He's constantly being referred to as "Barack Obama." I've yet to hear anyone call him "Barack Hussein Obama" until today. I don't think even the editorial G-man posted referred to him by that name.
Why, may I ask, did you choose to include it in the subject title, G-man?
None of us call John McCain "John Sidney McCain," or Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi." At least "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is commonly used.
You use of Obama's middle name seems...strange, somehow.
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This is the first time I've been made aware of Obama's middle name as being Hussein. He's constantly being referred to as "Barack Obama." I've yet to hear anyone call him "Barack Hussein Obama" until today. I don't think even the editorial G-man posted referred to him by that name.
Why, may I ask, did you choose to include it in the subject title, G-man?
None of us call John McCain "John Sidney McCain," or Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi." At least "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is commonly used.
You use of Obama's middle name seems...strange, somehow.
he did it for me. I was aking questions about the guy and didn't know he was arab.....g-man informed me that he was. why is it a big deal that he included the middle name in the article? why doesn't Obama talk about his past a little more publicly since he is thinking about running for Chief Jihadist er I mean President.
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His entire first book is about his past.
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This is the first time I've been made aware of Obama's middle name as being Hussein. He's constantly being referred to as "Barack Obama." I've yet to hear anyone call him "Barack Hussein Obama" until today. I don't think even the editorial G-man posted referred to him by that name.
Why, may I ask, did you choose to include it in the subject title, G-man?
None of us call John McCain "John Sidney McCain," or Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi." At least "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is commonly used.
You use of Obama's middle name seems...strange, somehow.
Oh, yeah, well you keep calling the President "George W. Bush." Why use his middle name (or initial) and not Barack Hussein Obama's? Huh? Huh?
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he did it for me. I was aking questions about the guy and didn't know he was arab.....g-man informed me that he was. why is it a big deal that he included the middle name in the article? why doesn't Obama talk about his past a little more publicly since he is thinking about running for Chief Jihadist er I mean President.
Even beyond that, I find Barack Hussein Obama's record on taxes disturbing. Apparently, much like his middle name, he tries to hide his record a tax and spender.
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His entire first book is about his past.
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This is the first time I've been made aware of Obama's middle name as being Hussein. He's constantly being referred to as "Barack Obama." I've yet to hear anyone call him "Barack Hussein Obama" until today. I don't think even the editorial G-man posted referred to him by that name.
Why, may I ask, did you choose to include it in the subject title, G-man?
None of us call John McCain "John Sidney McCain," or Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi." At least "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is commonly used.
You use of Obama's middle name seems...strange, somehow.
Oh, yeah, well you keep calling the President "George W. Bush." Why use his middle name (or initial) and not Barack Hussein Obama's? Huh? Huh?
Just as it is for Hillary Rodham Clinton, referring to the current Bush as George W. Bush is quite common, especially since it prevents us from confusing him with his father.
As I said, you are the first person I've ever heard to refer to Obama by his full name, either from the left or the right. Given some of your past comments on other discussions, let's just say I'm questioning your motives for doing so.
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I like Barack Obama. I'd much rather see him as the Democratic Presidential candidate than Hillary Clinton.
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Given the unquestionable reality that Islam is a the religion of peacetm, why would Barack Hussein Obama be ashamed of either his middle name or his half-Muslim heritage?
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WASHINGTON — If you call Barack Obama’s office to check the spelling of his middle name, the reply comes back: “Like the dictator.”
In the first rush of our blind date with the young senator from Illinois, we are still discovering things that are going to take some getting used to. Like his middle name: Hussein.
There were already a few top Democrats scoffing at the idea that a man whose surname sounded like a Middle East terrorist could get elected president. Now it turns out that his middle name sounds like a Middle East dictator.
The middle name — a sacred Muslim name and a family name carried by Obama’s Muslim grandfather, a Kenyan farmer, and his father, a Kenyan goatherd — had been cited in a few places.
But there hadn’t been much focus on the unfortunate coincidence of the senator from the city known as the Hog Butcher to the World having the same name as the Butcher of Baghdad until a Republican operative dropped the H-bomb on “Hardball” this week.
Ed Rogers, a Bush 41 official, said he was underwhelmed with “Barack Hussein Obama,” dismissing him as “a blank canvas where people project their desires.”
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This really isn't anything new. There have been GOP/conservative sites putting a turban on Obama for years now to capitalize on his first name. It's all part of being a serious Dem candidate. If it wasn't his name it would be some other silly thing in a sad attempt to play on people's uglier sides.
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I don't think he is.
So he shouldn't object to the use of his middle name, should he?
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I don't think he does.
But I think it's quite sad and pathetic that Republicans like yourself are working so hard to cash in on it.
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I don't think he does.
But I think it's quite sad and pathetic that Republicans like yourself are working so hard to cash in on it.
That's the best you got?
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Given the unquestionable reality that Islam is a the religion of peacetm, why would Barack Hussein Obama be ashamed of either his middle name or his half-Muslim heritage?
Some people simply don't use their middle names professionally. Some do. Either way, it's supposition (or manipulation) on your part to suppose that he is doing so deliberately because he's ashamed of it.
Meanwhile, will you ever give me a straight answer to my question, or would you rather let me make assumptions about you and your motives?
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I prefer to draw attention to his last name as it Sounds like Ossama, only with the word bomb in the middle.
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Meanwhile, will you ever give me a straight answer to my question
No he won't. Thats one of the reasons why I'm always telling everyone not to take him seriously.
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This is the first time I've been made aware of Obama's middle name as being Hussein. He's constantly being referred to as "Barack Obama." I've yet to hear anyone call him "Barack Hussein Obama" until today. I don't think even the editorial G-man posted referred to him by that name.
Why, may I ask, did you choose to include it in the subject title, G-man?
None of us call John McCain "John Sidney McCain," or Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi." At least "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is commonly used.
[Your] use of Obama's middle name seems...strange, somehow.
Strange?
I recall it was a Democrat who first made an issue of a candidate's middle name in a derisive fashion, Dukakis repeatedly referring to Bush Sr's running mate as "Jay Danforth Quayle".
And in the liberal media, constant glowing references to the 1992 candidate "William Jefferson Clinton".
Interesting how liberals bemoan the unfairness of using Obama's middle name, after first using Quayle's full name to mock him, and then conversely using Clinton's middle name to "build a bridge" to images of the founding fathers.
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Given the unquestionable reality that Islam is a the religion of peacetm, why would Barack Hussein Obama be ashamed of either his middle name or his half-Muslim heritage?
Some people simply don't use their middle names professionally. Some do. Either way, it's supposition (or manipulation) on your part to suppose that he is doing so deliberately because he's ashamed of it.
Meanwhile, will you ever give me a straight answer to my question, or would you rather let me make assumptions about you and your motives?
I don't use my middle name professionally as my initials make people laugh at me. 
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Just a guess on my part but I doubt any of the posters here had anything personally to do with the examples you set forth Wonder Boy. If say Dogbert posted a thread titled "Jay Danforth Quayle" I could see it as being equitable. Since he didn't I don't see how it's fair holding him accountble to something somebody else did almost 20yrs ago.
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Just a guess on my part but I doubt any of the posters here had anything personally to do with the examples you set forth Wonder Boy. If say Dogbert posted a thread titled "Jay Danforth Quayle" I could see it as being equitable. Since he didn't I don't see how it's fair holding him accountble to something somebody else did almost 20yrs ago.
It seems to me that G-Man's title for this discussion topic just repeats what has already been shown and widely discussed in the media, by both conservatives and liberals.
As the articles posted here by G-man and others reflect.
Again, the mocking of a candidate's name (Quayle), or exploiting a candidate's middle name when it taps into an image of the founding fathers (Clinton), is ground first tread on both counts by the Democrats.
In this light, liberals bashing use of Obama's full name appear quite hypocritical.
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This is the first time I've been made aware of Obama's middle name as being Hussein. He's constantly being referred to as "Barack Obama." I've yet to hear anyone call him "Barack Hussein Obama" until today. I don't think even the editorial G-man posted referred to him by that name.
Why, may I ask, did you choose to include it in the subject title, G-man?
None of us call John McCain "John Sidney McCain," or Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi." At least "Hillary Rodham Clinton" is commonly used.
[Your] use of Obama's middle name seems...strange, somehow.
Strange?
I recall it was a Democrat who first made an issue of a candidate's middle name in a derisive fashion, Dukakis repeatedly referring to Bush Sr's running mate as "Jay Danforth Quayle".
And in the liberal media, constant glowing references to the 1992 candidate "William Jefferson Clinton".
Interesting how liberals bemoan the unfairness of using Obama's middle name, after first using Quayle's full name to mock him, and then conversely using Clinton's middle name to "build a bridge" to images of the founding fathers.
I don't recall the Danforth incident either. I can only go by what I personally recall.
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Just a guess on my part but I doubt any of the posters here had anything personally to do with the examples you set forth Wonder Boy. If say Dogbert posted a thread titled "Jay Danforth Quayle" I could see it as being equitable. Since he didn't I don't see how it's fair holding him accountble to something somebody else did almost 20yrs ago.
It seems to me that G-Man's title for this discussion topic just repeats what has already been shown and widely discussed in the media, by both conservatives and liberals.
As the articles posted here by G-man and others reflect.
Again, the mocking of a candidate's name (Quayle), or exploiting a candidate's middle name when it taps into an image of the founding fathers (Clinton), is ground first tread on both counts by the Democrats.
In this light, liberals bashing use of Obama's full name appear quite hypocritical.
I'm not bashing anything. I'm asking G-man why he's making a big deal out of Obama's middle name.
The first time we spoke here, you told me you appreciated being able to have a rational discussion with me without someone distorting your words or accusing you of stuff.
Are you not going to grant me the same courtesy?
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I don't think he does.
But I think it's quite sad and pathetic that Republicans like yourself are working so hard to cash in on it.
That's the best you got?
The lol smiley. Second only to the rolling eyes. I would ask if it's all you've got, but it's just so darn insightful.
And no, that's not all I got. But, hey, if it's going to be about his middle name, "sad and pathetic" is all I'll ever need.
Thanks for your input, though.
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I'm asking G-man why he's making a big deal out of Obama's middle name.
The first time we spoke here, you told me you appreciated being able to have a rational discussion with me without someone distorting your words or accusing you of stuff.
Are you not going to grant me the same courtesy?
How am I distorting anything by mentioning that his middle name is "Hussein"? If anything, I'm being precise.
Further, other than mentioning it in the title of the thread, I've not really dwelled on the fact his full name is Barack Hussein Obama. Instead, I wrote about his tax policies.
You guys are the ones who keep coming back to the fact his middle name is Hussein.
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I think he was talking to Wonder Boy, particularly about WB's use of the term "bashing."
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I'm asking G-man why he's making a big deal out of Obama's middle name.
I'll have to agree with G-man here. It's everyone else who's making a big deal about Obama's name and not him. So I'd have to say that the issues over this that need to be dealt with are your own and not with G-man.
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I think he was talking to Wonder Boy, particularly about WB's use of the term "bashing."
Exactly. At least somebody around here is capable of basic reading comprehension.
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dogbert said:
I'm asking G-man why he's making a big deal out of Obama's middle name.
I'll have to agree with G-man here. It's everyone else who's making a big deal about Obama's name and not him. So I'd have to say that the issues over this that need to be dealt with are your own and not with G-man.
All I'm asking for is a simple explanation. If G-man had just answered my question and laid my suspicions about him to rest, I'd have dropped this by now. I don't understand why he can't just do this.
And the reason I'm being so cagey about this and not explaining what exactly my suspicions about G-man, suspicions first triggered by comments on other threads, are is because I don't want to make a false accusation about him, or give anyone a chance to claim that I am.
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