RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Rudy vs. Ron Paul and David Cross on why 9/11 happened

it's interesting. i don't agree that just because rudy was there on 9/11 that he is an expert on the motives behind the attacks. and i think cross is right on that it's not as simple as they make it out.

Ron Paul is wrong. They hate us because we own homes.

Well I don't blame Rudy for trying to milk 9/11 for votes. It's won his party some elections but it seems whenever he tries it backfires on him. All those 9/11 firefighters & ground zero workers have been a problem for him.

Not only are Ron Paul supporters “a bunch of liberals pretending to be Republicans,” but they are now restricted in their use of the RedState.com website. In a stunning move against supporters of a Republican candidate for President of the United States, the powers that be at RedState.com, a magnet site on the conservative end of the political spectrum, has decided to censor those from the party RedState supports.





Man, there’s trouble in RedStateland. Imagine! They’ve got a candidate doing far better than anyone thought he could. ron Paul. They’ve got other candidates who are about as middling as middling gets. the whole collection of McCain, Thompson, Romney and Giuliani have maybe half the excitement and firepower that Ron Paul does. Certainly Ron Paul has the supporters who are willing to work for him. So what do these Republicans at RedState do? They ban the speech of the Ron Paul supporters.

Even Republicans care about free speech when it is their own. What RedState has done here is offend some highly vocal Republicans. It won’t harm RedState one bit when they hear the whining and complaining from the Ron Paul supporters. But it will hurt the eventual Republican candidate in Fall ‘08, because some of those Ron Paul supporters will not be voting for the eventual Republican candidate, and none of those Ron Paul supporters will work for the eventual Republican candidate. RedState is pissing off the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party, the only wing of the Republican Party that acts like Republicans used to act, with care for balanced budgets, real moral values and sensible foreign policy ruled by facts, not Dick Cheney’s fantasies. (Sorry to put that tiny image of Dick Cheney’s fantasies in your brains — just down a shot or two and maybe you won’t remember the horror.) Yes, RedState’s move will hurt Republicans.

RedState is trying to use the whole "private Property" it's my site so I can do what I want argument. But that sort of argument when it's a public site devoted to discussing politics rings sort of false when it singles out one set of supporters over everyone else.

I'm not a Republican, I'm not voting for Ron Paul, but man, I'm glad he's been in some of these debates. He brings a refreshing frankness and reality to what otherwise would be a bunch of tired talking points, 9/11 references, "victory victory "bringing Democracy" "they want surrender" sound bytes and contests of who loves America, the troops and thru extension, the war, more.

I don't know if that is offensive to some people to have that kind of challenge from within their own party but that comment that Paul supporters are really "liberals" goes back to what i was saying that anyone who challenges Administration mantra is immediately labeled a "liberal" by these Bush cultists that abound our society, in some weird attempt to marginalize and minimize the dissention and critical examination.

Ron Paul... Was that the guy in the one debate when the candidates were talking about actions on Iran and how quick they would do it, he was like "No! Uh, Constitution? CONGRESS needs to declare war."? (Granted I'm paraphrasing.)

The guy who actually understands how our Government works?

yeah, that guy.

Yeah, I like him. He seems to be the only Republican candidate without a case of "Wild Cowboy" syndrome.

I'm not a reader of RedState, but I know that some blogs and online polls have had problems with Paul supporters flooding polls and spamming the sites.

Could that be behind the banning in this case also?

That is the reason given by RedState. Which may be entirely true.

I however have to wonder why an enthusiastic bunch of people that are electrified by this guy and his ideas is a BAD thing. Especially given the torpor and general malaise that Republicans get with the rest of the GOP candidates. It seems that the last thing one would want to do is stamp out the only genuine real grass roots excitement for a gOP candidate happening in cyberspace.

Excitment's good if it translates into more debate and a more open exchange of ideas. If Paul's supporters want to help shape the debate, more power to them.

On the other hand, excitement's not so good if the result is nothing but spamming boards and corrupting poll results in a misguided attempt to generate cheap heat for their candidate. That doesn't help shape the debate. If anything, it discourages discussion.

I disagree...I won a OT mod election years ago doing that exact same thing...

Some would say you just proved my point, sir.

I was excited!

Ron Paul is the man. I'd love to see the race come down to him and O'Bama.

O'Bama? There's some Irish-American candidate I'm not familiar with?

Oops. Obama. Just got done lambasting Bill O'Reilly on Youtube.

Wow. You really are a slayer of conservatives! I bet he'll be feeling the sting from that for a while. And by feeling the sting I mean I bet he even knows you exist by now!

sammitch, halo is now bonafide. PJP seconded my motion.

Is that a fact? I'm impressed.

Yeah that's right Man-Sammitch, so FUCK OFF.


...I'm sorry. I've been dying for an excuse to say man-sammitch to you and I couldn't wait anymore. God that was lame. Somebody should slap me.

Well, with a rap like that, and a handle of "slayer of conservatives" I guess there's nothing left for the Republicans on this board to do. We've lost.

There's no way to win a debate with a guy who possesses the rhetorical skills to call a fellow poster "Man-Sammitch". Seriously. That's like the H-bomb of debating techniques right there. We just can't recover from that.

Rob, if you are reading this post, please. I beg of you. Shut down the politics board right now. Halo has invoked the ultimate weapon in our battle of wits. The battle is over. The conservatives are slain.

I said I'm sorry.

Come on, sandwhich...sammitch...how can you resist?

I'm not offended, dude. I really hope that wasn't your best stuff, though, or I'm gonna be really disappointed.

I hope so too.

captain sandwich?
didn't he battle the red tortilla chip in the battle to end my afternoon hunger?

captain sandwich used to be cool, but then he sold out and started using cheaper pickles.

I actually like Ron Paul. He's sincere, and a Washington outsider, who speaks from the heart, and from outside the two-party system that is actually one system owned by lobbyists.
Many of his positions regarding healthcare, border security, and opposing amnesty for illegals, appeal to my populist tendencies.

It wasn't until I saw him interviewed, separate from any of the debates, that I could get a feel for what he stands for.

One area I disagree with him on is his notion that American foreign policy is the cause of terrorist attacks, and that if we pull out of the middle east, they'll just leave us alone.
Pulling out of the middle east won't save either us or Europe from islamic aggression. And islamic aggression began well before the U.S. ever had troops in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Iraq. It's just ignoring reality to buy into that rationalization.
Like Buchanan, he sees foreign wars as not vital to U.S. national security, and at least in the short term, that would save money that would otherwise be spent on costly wars, and costly peacetime overseas deployments.

But I would argue that preventing hostile powers from seizing control of the world's oil supply, and tripling the cost of oil, or depriving us of it altogether, as a vital U.S. national interest.

Bin Laden has said numerous times that our presence in Saudi Arabia and Islamic soil is the reason for his attacks. In a religious decree issued in 1998, he gave religious legitimacy to attacks on Americans in order to stop the United States from "occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places."

You state Bin Ladin's position with the passion of a fully indoctrinated Al Qaida member, Whomod.

You, of course, take the word of an islamic terrorist, and accept every word at face value, while you simultaneously look on our own government's every action with scorn and cynicism, while repeating Bin Ladin's talking points.


Gee, why do I see you as anti-American?

You talk about Bin Ladin's 1998 Declaration of Jihad on Jews and Crusaders as if you know something I don't. When in fact I've posted it repeatedly in various topics here. The difference is I post it to expose his murderous fanaticism and lies, whereas you cite it as gospel truth to demonize our own country for simply defending ourselves.

Wonder Boy.

Eat me.

You are such a jackass I swear to God.

Sexist.

Wow, what’s up with that? For a guy raising the type of money he is—I don’t understand how they can justify his exclusion.



I have to agree with him on that front. FOX Noise has a very set agenda on the Iraq war in place and Paul only mucks things up. LGF and many other warmongering right wing bloggers will be happy though since they exclude him from their polls already… He’ll probably raise another boat load of cash and stay in the race much longer even if his poll numbers are very fairly low. Way to go Roger Ailes…

And Ron Paul is ahead of Fredrick of Hollywood in NH:



And the one month trend between both of their polls shows Paul’s doubled while at the same time Frederick’s halved. That’s significant.

What ever their reason, I'm sure it's "Fair and Balanced"...

Fucking great. Now all the ron paul fanboys will bitch and cry.

Funny. If there was anyone here at the RKMBs I pictured as a Ron Paul supporter it would have been you, rex, given your appreciation of Ayn Rand.