RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Comic Books WTF - ra's al Ghul is coming back?

C'mon already! I'm a huge Ra's al Ghul fan - he's actually my Bat favorite villian - but I'm sick of dead comic book characters coming back to life. I hit the wall (no pun intended) with Jason Todd's resurrection and now shit like this annoys me to no end.


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Batman #670 Regular Tony Daniel Cover (Resurrection Of Ras Al Ghul Prelude)



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Release Date:
10/31/2007

Manufacturer / Publisher:
DC

Writer:
Grant Morrison

Artist:
Tony Daniel

Description:
"The next chapter of Batman’s life starts here! The shadow of Batman’s archfoe Ra’s al Ghul still looms large over the head of the Dark Knight. Is Ra’s al Ghul destined to live again? Batman begins his quest for the truth in this special prelude to “The Resurrection of Ra’s Al Ghul,” guest-starring Talia al Ghul, Damian, the Sensei and I-Ching!"

Well, to be fair, Ra's has ALWAYS come back from the dead.

yeah, pretty much been expecting this since they "killed" him. nice cover, though.

aye.

he's one of the few guys i dont mind this stigma for. its his gimmick.

plus, he's the coolest baddie of all time.

I agree with you on that last point - he is the only Batvillian who I think is as smart - if not smarter - than Batman and I love him for that. And, yes, the whole resurrection thing is his shtick, but the whole Death and the Maidens thing (which I hated as Talia, once again, proved to be too easily manipulated and the intro of a heretofor unknown "daughter" pissed me off) indicated that this was the absolute "final" death of Ra's. It just seems to me that the whole bringing back a character from the dead diminishes that hell out of their death in the first place.

My only hope is that Morrison is writing it and he will do the "resurrection" justice. I used to have absolute faith in Morrison, but the dull ASS has shaken that faith a bit...

i believe its morrison and dini -- two of the greatest batman authors, evar

I "heart" Paul Dini.

and he hearts you, harley.

he MADE you

but not as much as he hearts zatanna. seriously, his wife is a stage magician who looks just like her. . .

Sugar, I know! Part of the reason I "heart" him so much...

I thought that was Alex Ross?

A comic book character coming back from the dead!

I can't believe it!

What's next? A big EPIC crossover designed to screw the 8 people left that still buy comic books?!?

I drew an elephant.

nope.

Which is why this fucking annoys me!

pic please.

Are you sure? I'm almost positive that Ross has said he based his Zatanna on his wife...

yep. she was at D*Con with him last year. his new Madam Mirage book is also based on her.

hmmmm...

indeed.

which i am enjoying so far...

eh...the book. not the wife...

so how is it?

cool so far. ive only grabed the first two issues(not sure if theres more) a few days ago. I like the art, though thats just my opinion ;). And i always like stories about bad guys going "legit"...

I've noticed how Batman has gone back to the blue & grey, instead of the black & grey.

DC Comics: One Step Forward, Twelve Steps Backward...

the kubert / morrison run has taken the suit back about 25 years. its much terrible.

Batman looks best in black and grey.

I, too, love the art.

Ra's's's return was also teased in the all villian teaser image.

Re: The blue and grey suit. The fact of the matter is that it's easier for a lazy artist to draw the suit in blue and gray. That's why the cape and cowl turned from black to blue in the 40s and why it's happening again now.

i don't get how its easier?

the "blue" came about in the 40s because it was easier on the printers. "2 colors to choose from? blue cape, red cape, blue cape, red cape.... let's pick blue!"

i get that. i'm fine with that. if your midnight sky is the same color as a baby boy's blanket, whatever. at least its consistant.

but now a days, there are countless characters with black, yes actual black, coloring in their costume. nightwing, hourman, black panther, robin and... well, even batman on occasion. the coloring is certainly possible. and, underwear argument's aside, i don't see how blue/gray has any pro's or cons versus black/gray, from the reader's viewpoint or the artist's

actually, for the pencil artist, black is easier because they can just leave empty space.

the inker fills in all the black spaces, so if it's going to be easier on anyone to do another color, it would be them.

But a penciller is supposed to take the inking and coloring into consideration when he draws the pages. By pencilling for a blue cape the penciller is more easily able to insure that the composition of the final product will still "work," especially with a character who normally appears at night. The blue cape stands out from the background better. Also, a lot of pencillers don't draw in the details of the cape, leaving that to the inker. That's an incentive for the inker to also leave the cape "blue."

I don't understand why blue would be easier than black for the cape. If anything, wouldn't having it in black cover up any potential mistakes?

I don't know what you said, but I'm sure it's something along the lines of "but ALL pencilers everywhere should draw ALL details ALL the time" or some such nonsense and "blue IS the easiest!" or somesuch.

have you ever actually participated in the production of a comic book? have you ever talked with real artists about art and their techniques and various ways of getting things done (I would say "done on schedule" but all artists are terrible at making deadlines). because I have done these things.

the reality of the situation is that not all artists work the same, pencilers or inkers. in a book not of their owning, the artist will rarely have ensurement of the final product for a number of reasons not the least of which being who inks the work and what level of detailing the inker decides to focus on.

just as a for instance, I remember seeing penciled pages by Steven Butler when he was doing Web of Spider-Man during all that clone business nonsense. the level of detail that Steven used to put into his pages was great and the work he was putting out was capable of making him a big name in the industry.

but he had a poor inker, who did a hack job leaving out a multitude of the details and bringing down the quality of the art overall. basically making Steve's work look like ass.

it's just one example of countless in an industry in which there are multiple forms and styles of doing the work.

Mike Gustovich is actually somewhat renowned inside the industry as an inker who fills in a lot of details over pencilers who do half assed layouts, actually doing a majority of the work himself.

none of which changes the fact that for most pencilers, black is easier as all they have to do is leave an X (or Xs) for the inker to fill in later.

This says to me "G-Man doesn't draw." Some pencilers (from interviews I've read) just draw gestures. Others put in every hair on a guy's knuckles. There's even a 'Tec (or Batman) from around the Knightfall series with an example of pencils and two different inked versions, by two very different guys. Very educational.

P.S. -- Batman is SUPPOSED to blend in with the shadows, with the night sky. Standing out is something he leaves for Robin. [re: "The blue cape stands out from the background better."]

And, having a black cape, boots, and gloves makes Batman look like what he is:

A creature of the night.