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http://www.imdb.com/video/trailer/me60873718/

Not surprisingly, this is going to have a different spin than Millar's "evil triumphs/heroes are fucked" story. With the Professor saying that the Fraternity's "purpose is to maintain stability in an unstable world - to kill one to save 1,000" the whole "evil wins" aspect don't look like its gonna show up here. And I like Freeman, but I'm not too sure of him as the Professor. The action clips looked cool, though.



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http://www.wantedmovie.com/


"Wanted tells the tale of one apathetic nobody's transformation into an unparalled enforcer of justice."

Huh?








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Yeah. So much for the villains ruling the world scenario. Trying to make them altruistically motivated entirely misses Millar's Ultimate SSOV point.


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Oh. Whoops. Read the rest of the website


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I've never read the book and I haven't been to the website, but the trailer looks a bit too much like yet another Matrix rip-off to me.

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The book is very good, if you like villain books.


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What are "villain books"?

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Books about villains. From the villains perspective.

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I guess I never thought of that as a "genre."

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Well, the movie does look like a Matrix-y concept. However, I'm totally down with that idea. Especially with Angelina in the mix...

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 Originally Posted By: Ultimate Jaburg53
Books about villains. From the villains perspective.


There haven't been many. Secret Society of Supervillains, Suicide Squad, Thunderbolts, Wanted, Gail Simone's recent stuff..


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There was also that terrible Joker series in the mid-seventies.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
I've never read the book and I haven't been to the website, but the trailer looks a bit too much like yet another Matrix rip-off to me.


Excellent book, G. Millar is in top form here and the art is beautiful (J.G. Jones). Its in trade now and worth your time. Give it a shot.



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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
There was also that terrible Joker series in the mid-seventies.


Oh, I was going to mention that one but it didn't have any redeeming qualities.

Good villain books focus on characterisatio of the badguys. I don't read The Flash but I understand the Rogues Gallery make the book. Justice League Europe reached its peak in my opinion when the Extremists had the world on the ropes. Each of the Extremist had very different personalities - more depth than may of the Leaguers.

The classic villain book IMO is 100 Bullets. I know its also a caper/gangster/Reservoir Dogs riff, but its also a pure villain book. The Minutemen are brillantly ruthless - ranging from the field leader, Wylie Times, the one with the most conscience and who is the quickest and never misses a shot to Cole Burns the slick man with the knife. Each character is quite different but each one is uttely dangerous. Watching the panels with Milo casually drop a brick onto a car made me realise they are more frightening than any classic supervillain.

Wanted is the same. The Fox's training of Wesley is fantastically measured in being exponentially gruesome: get used to killing by practicing firing bullets at corpses and working in an abbotoir, and work your way down.


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 Originally Posted By: First Amongst Daves


The classic villain book IMO is 100 Bullets. I know its also a caper/gangster/Reservoir Dogs riff, but its also a pure villain book. The Minutemen are brillantly ruthless - ranging from the field leader, Wylie Times, the one with the most conscience and who is the quickest and never misses a shot to Cole Burns the slick man with the knife. Each character is quite different but each one is uttely dangerous. Watching the panels with Milo casually drop a brick onto a car made me realise they are more frightening than any classic supervillain.



Fuck yeah. Seconded.



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Trailer was tight but, I'm dissappointed that the movie doesn't appear to closely follow the comic. As an aside, I would have liked if Wesley had been played by Eminiem. I'd also prefer Halle to Angelina.

I'll still check it out....anything with Morgan Freeman in it will usually be pretty good.


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I am disinclined to see this movie.

I hate slow-motion over-indulgence topped off by excessive Angelina "skank" Jolie exhibition.

The only movie Jolie was good in was the one in which she was seen the least: The Good Shepherd. It's really telling of De Niro's great skill as a director.

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AICN reports, and has a link to a spot that will air on the Super Bowl. Not sure if it's the same trailer or not as I didn't bother to click on the AICN link.

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Borat Was Right: Angie's New Movie Proves It
  • two things are gleaned quickly from watching this comic book-turned-screen mess: First, Borat may have been right about Kazakhstan. Second, only Marvel Comics can make this kind of movie properly.

    First, Borat. Director Timur Bekmambetov is from Kazakhstan and it shows. This is his first American movie, and I believe it is his first in English. This could be a clue as to why "Wanted" — which is visually arresting and loaded with enough computer-generated graphics to spawn many video games — is also incoherent. I still have little idea what it was about. Neither did most of the audience in my screening.

    But the concept for "Wanted" is based on a comic book by Mark Millar. I’m not familiar with it, and the movie does nothing to explain it. The screenplay takes McAvoy’s Wesley Gibson, a "nobody" who whines about his boring life, and turns him abruptly into a superhero enforcer of justice.

    Wesley is also the son of a famous assassin whom he’s never met. He learns this from Jolie, who is billed as the movie’s star but isn’t. She’s rather a beautiful, if mostly mysterious, second-fiddle player, a member of a league of assassins known as "The Fraternity" led by Morgan Freeman.

    Unlike the hit Marvel movies, "Wanted" is fuzzy on all facts. It’s hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. There’s no love story. The main character, Wesley, is poorly drawn even though McAvoy is incredibly appealing as he tries to help the audience figure out the story.

    At 5-foot-7 on a very good day, McAvoy is an odd choice for action hero. But maybe his agents are hoping to turn the 29-year-old Scottish actor into the new Tom Cruise. Stranger things have happened.

    As for Angelina: She’s in and out of the film. Her role is inconsistent and underdeveloped. She has little dialogue. Mostly she does her "Tomb Raider" thing, shoots big futuristic machine guns and gives a lot of angry stares. She also sports a panoply of tattoos that you can only hope were washable.

    The word from insiders is that she took this role as a trade-off so Universal would make Clint Eastwood’s "Changeling," in which she stars.

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Yeah, well...I'm still gonna check it out. I'll see a matinee so I don't waste too much money in case it's really ass. There's a cool restricted trailer on the movie site as well as a short "making of" with Mark Millar.


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this is a netflix at best. it has nothing to do with the comic (unfortunately), so i'm not inclined to spend $12.50 to see it.



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Yeah. I still haven't seen Indiana Jones or the Hulk, and Batman's coming out soon. No way I'm spending my cash on a loose adaptation of a comic I haven't read, directed by someone who apparently can't speak English.

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I saw Indy last week and enjoyed it. still got Hulk, plus waiting for Hellboy and DK.

Nightwatch was meh at best. The book was actually decent, though not supergreat.

The whole point of Wanted was it was about the villains and the villains actually won and ran the world. If you remove that, then you're left with exactly what the reviewer posted: a fuzzy, incoherent, plotless excuse for Matrix wannabe action scenes.

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I'm just gonna wait for Hellboy thanks.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Borat Was Right: Angie's New Movie Proves It
  • two things are gleaned quickly from watching this comic book-turned-screen mess: First, Borat may have been right about Kazakhstan. Second, only Marvel Comics can make this kind of movie properly.

    First, Borat. Director Timur Bekmambetov is from Kazakhstan and it shows. This is his first American movie, and I believe it is his first in English. This could be a clue as to why "Wanted" — which is visually arresting and loaded with enough computer-generated graphics to spawn many video games — is also incoherent. I still have little idea what it was about. Neither did most of the audience in my screening.

    But the concept for "Wanted" is based on a comic book by Mark Millar. I’m not familiar with it, and the movie does nothing to explain it. The screenplay takes McAvoy’s Wesley Gibson, a "nobody" who whines about his boring life, and turns him abruptly into a superhero enforcer of justice.

    Wesley is also the son of a famous assassin whom he’s never met. He learns this from Jolie, who is billed as the movie’s star but isn’t. She’s rather a beautiful, if mostly mysterious, second-fiddle player, a member of a league of assassins known as "The Fraternity" led by Morgan Freeman.

    Unlike the hit Marvel movies, "Wanted" is fuzzy on all facts. It’s hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. There’s no love story. The main character, Wesley, is poorly drawn even though McAvoy is incredibly appealing as he tries to help the audience figure out the story.

    At 5-foot-7 on a very good day, McAvoy is an odd choice for action hero. But maybe his agents are hoping to turn the 29-year-old Scottish actor into the new Tom Cruise. Stranger things have happened.

    As for Angelina: She’s in and out of the film. Her role is inconsistent and underdeveloped. She has little dialogue. Mostly she does her "Tomb Raider" thing, shoots big futuristic machine guns and gives a lot of angry stares. She also sports a panoply of tattoos that you can only hope were washable.

    The word from insiders is that she took this role as a trade-off so Universal would make Clint Eastwood’s "Changeling," in which she stars.


Oh jeez...what a dumb fucking FOX NEWS review!

First he makes racist complaints about the director (which part of the movie was solely based on his nationality?)

Second, he complains because there's no love story (FOR ONCE!!!!!! THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!).

Third, he complains because McAvoy isn't tall enough to be an action hero. I didn't realize there was a universal requirement.

Fourth, he whines about Jolie's tattoos (how did this affect the integrity of the movie?) and then end it with a level of girly Hollywood gossip I would expect to find on Inside Edition, or some other media rag.

But, then again, it's FOX NEWS. What should I expect, fair and balance facts or reviews? Heh.

The movie may suck-ass. No doubt. But don't bring some surface level "yu wont likke thes cause it mkes ya THINK" eighth grade review if you expect to be taken seriously...

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BTW, none of that was about you, G. Just the reviewer, and the cult site you pulled it from...

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If you remove that, then you're left with exactly what the reviewer posted: a fuzzy, incoherent, plotless excuse for Matrix wannabe action scenes.


Agreed. However, I don't agree with how the reviewer went about making the review. It was as lazy and as pointless as the movie he supposedly didn't enjoy...

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I have to say, I know nothing of the comic books, but the trailers leave me cold.
Without seeming to judge a film too harshle without seeing it, but it really looks like style over substance!

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If you remove that, then you're left with exactly what the reviewer posted: a fuzzy, incoherent, plotless excuse for Matrix wannabe action scenes.


Agreed. However, I don't agree with how the reviewer went about making the review. It was as lazy and as pointless as the movie he supposedly didn't enjoy...



he didn't even want to to do the review he hated it so much! ahhh, bad review, bad movie. when will they learn?

X2, Sin City, 300, Batman Begins, Hellboy, Iron Man. that's how you do it.

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BTW, none of that was about you, G. Just the reviewer, and the cult site you pulled it from...


S'alright.

But the reviewer as Fox is their token liberal, gay, H'Wood queen type. Like most guy libs he tries to be Joan Rivers. Some of his reviews are amusing for the sheer level of cattiness and sometimes interesting because of crazy remarks like comparing the director to Borat. I don't necessarily endorse his reviews (or any other review I post here), but since (as you might guess) I tend to frequent Fox more than, say, MSNBC/Olbermann-city (because Fox is fair and balanced ;\) ) I just happen to read them more than most others.

In this defense, however, I think some of his apparent ignorance about the story (ie, calling the lead character a superhero) is based on the fact the movie so badly mangled the original plot of the Millar story.

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 Originally Posted By: harleykwin
this is a netflix at best. it has nothing to do with the comic (unfortunately), so i'm not inclined to spend $12.50 to see it.


$12.50? Holy crap woman! What theater are you going to?

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Whatever...I'm still gonna check it out. Early flick cost $5. While I agree that it doesn't hold true enough to the comic I'll still support the genre.

Hell I sat thru the first Hulk, Punisher, BOTH Fantastic Fours, Spidey 3 AND Daredevil. It's a safe bet that this won't be the worst comic based movie I've ever seen.


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 Originally Posted By: THE Bastard
Whatever...I'm still gonna check it out. Early flick cost $5. While I agree that it doesn't hold true enough to the comic I'll still support the genre.


When you do that the only thing you are supporting is the notion that H'Wood can make faithless, soulless, adaptations of comic books and, no matter how bad they might be, a certain percentage of fanboys will make the film profitable.

That creates the incentive to make more bad films and less good ones. After all, why try to make a good one if people like you will pay to "support the genre" no matter what?

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Well, if my finski is the one that puts this movie over the record set by Spidey 3...all the better. I like the trailer. I think the movie looks decent and I happen to like Matrix-y rip offs. I'm not going to summarily dismiss the flick cuz some reviewer didn't like it and it doesn't pass the RKMBs smell test. I'd see it even if I didn't know it was based on a comic. The fact that it is...even if it's not a faithful adaptation...is a bonus.

If, after I see it, I think it sucks, I'll let you know. If I think it's cool, I'll keep it to myself so none of you can be enticed to spend money to see such dreck.

You guys are making this movie out to be League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and I just don't think it's gonna be that bad....


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Fair enough. However, two observations:

1. If you see the movie because the trailers and other publicity make you believe you'll enjoy it, that's cool. However, in your earlier post you seemed to be saying you were supporting it, regardless of whether it looked any good, and just going because you automically support "comic book" movies. That's the only thing I found questionable.

2. I don't think your ticket will be the one that puts this over anything. However, I have noticed a certain trend among some comic book fans to want to automatically see any comic book-based film, not matter how crappy and, further, read that film studios count on that when the make these films, allowing them to justify a certain low level of quality. Now that we have films like BB, Iron Man and [hopefully] TDK setting the bar a lot higher, I'd like to see the fans support that concept by being a bit choosier with what films they rush out to see.

In any event, I hope you enjoy the film.

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Appreciated.


Oderint, dum metuant.


You are a god damned idiot, you know that? You ought to be smacked upside your dumb-fuck head, even after all these years. Shame on you!
-USCHI showin' some love


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