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But do you think Nolan would limit the character like that? Joker was once a prankster who robbed banks, but other writers have evolved the character.
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But the Joker had some interesting aspects to begin with that Nolan could use to touch on the original character, while expanding him.
For example, as you point out, the Joker was once a prankster who robbed banks. Indeed, that is the way the general public, raised on old comics, the 1960s series and even the Burton film, think of him. The opening sequence of the movie took that persona and brought it into the "Nolanverse." There was something there for Nolan to work with.
It seems to me that there's nothing like that for Nolan to use with Bane. THerefore, the only way for Nolan to make Bane "work" would be to make him a completely different character than the one in comics. At which point, why bother using him, especially given the fact that no one outside of a small group of fans knows, or cares, about him?
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Same could be said of Scarecrow, or any of a number of characters. Don;t be so close minded. The reason to use him would be the physical challenges, I'm sure Nolan could come up with the mental challenges as well. DK's writing and direction wasn't a fluke.
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I admit that Nolan, if anyone, could "fix" the character. My only point is that Bane's a lame character to begin with and I'd rather see Nolan work his talent on a better character, one that hasn't consistently sucked.
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Joker was a lame character at one point too. I never liked Bane, but I think his characterization in Gail Simone's new Secret Six series is genius. He's shown as a religious man with a strong sense of chivalry (it began as a joke but the last issue made it more serious). It's not exactly the kind of thing that would fit well in a Nolan movie, but it shows that the character has potential.
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Yeah I don't find Bane that much of a stretch either. From the books I read I found the character boring, but in a different take by Nolan he may be a good challenge for Batman. bane is a lame character. but, at least thus far proven, nolan (both nolans?) has such a great grasp on the batuniverse that he could create a great story and a great character out of any of it.
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It's much quicker to say "BASAMS is right".
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Also for G-Man to say that a guy hopped up on steroids is less to work with than a guy that fell in a vat of chemicals is silly. Has the Joker character evolved more from his beginning in the comic medium sure, but the Bane character is an infant compared, and to say a writer must wait for evolution in one medium before evolving a character in another is silly, you can take the next step or leap without waiting.
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Also for G-Man to say that a guy hopped up on steroids is less to work with than a guy that fell in a vat of chemicals is silly Not really. The Joker is an iconic figure, whose persona-even in the silliest of comic books-taps into some very powerful imagery that transcends comic books: the evil clown, the trickster god, the interplay between comedy and tragedy. That's a large part of why he's always been the most successful bat-villain, if not the most successful comic book or comic strip villain, of the past 60+ years: he stands for something deep in our collective subconscious. Bane has none of that. He's basically just an evil body builder. Sure, Nolan could probably create an interesting character but he would probably have so little resemblance to the actual comic book character it would, in effect, be a completely different character. In which case, why not just create a new villian in the first place?
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Youre talking in circles. Just admit I was right.
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God help me, I can actually see what G-Man is saying.
Plus, I agree with basams that Nolan could make it work.
The Nolan Joker is the product of years of comic book development, that while different, is still easily recognisable to his comic book counterpart.
Bane has had very little comic book development, so while he could be made interesting, its likely he would not resemble the Bane of the comic books (and Poo Dave would be gutted if Bane lost the S&M costume).
So basically, basams is right that Bane might work, but G-Man is right that it would probably not resemble the Bane of the comic books!
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hey guys, just wait till we get azreal in nolan's version of knightfall.
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Just finished this moment watching Dark Knight. Apart from the Batvision, it was pretty good. Ledger's performance was very, very good. But the unsng acting ability in this was the guy who played Harvey Dent - Aaron Eckhart. He did a terrific job.
I guessed that Rachel was going to die, oddly enough. I also thought that Gordon was gooing to lose his family, but they made it.
Incidentally, having Bats goback to being a "villain" at the end might be a good lead-in for the much touted Superman/Batman movie.
Back to the Batvillain debate. If a third Batman movie is Dark Knight Falls, with Joker (played by Depp?) getting his neck broken in the Tunnel of Love, then do we have room for another villain?
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especially being from the future and all...
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I watched this tonight with my dad on him 50 inch plasma.
Holy fuck does this movie look good. The IMAX scenes, which were easy to tell since those scenes filled up the whole TV, were fucking beautiful. Since I got to watch it laying on a couch and not an uncomfortable theater chair I enjoyed it a lot more.
I officially love this movie now, you can stop bugging me about it.
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I love plasma TVs especially on darker movies like Dark Knight, people who shell out big bucks for LCDs are getting ripped off.
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In higher altitudes (like where I live) Plasma TVs emit a high-pitched buzz that would drive anyone bugshit crazy.
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that makes no sense as the audio component is the same. are you sure that the government isn't messing with you?
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It's because of the altitude. Atmospheric pressure or something. I don't think it's the audio making the sound, it's the screen itself. Doesn't matter, 'cause it's audible in the store. So y'just don't buy it.
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But you do post the information on the correct thread. Thanks.
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yeah, but this thread smells of dirty butt-holes.
will you deal with that, GayLA?
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Heh. I always thought Keaton would have been a better Joker in the first place.
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http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2009/1/27/the-dark-knight-sequel-ready-for-release-in-2011.html Tada! It's time for some more news/rumors about the sequel to Christopher Nolan's hit acton flick "The Dark Knight."
According to an interview with executive producer Michael E. Uslan in The Courier Post, a new "Batman" film could be ready for release in 2011:
"Uslan will be onboard as executive producer for the "Dark Knight" sequel, which he estimates will be theaters by 2011. As for the identity of the next round of Batman's supervillains and love interests, Uslan remains tight-lipped. 'It's one of those deals where if I told you, I'd have to kill you,' he says with a chuckle."
Okay, it's not much, but at least it comes from a more credible source than most rumors we've read about over the past months. That's progress, isn't it?
Uslan's producing credits also include "Batman Begins," "The Spirit," "Constantine" and even Tim Burton's 1989 "Batman."
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Didnt Kampy post the pics of me and my wife at the Chicago premeire of Dark Knight?
Meeting Micheal Caine Gary Oldman et al????
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In Chicago before the movie premeired they had an opening two days before with the stars I pretended to be with a Korean news agency and I got pics with the aforementioned and sent those pics to Kampy. He NEVER showed you?!?!?!?!??!?!?!???!?!
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its all about everyone else with you. what happenedto just you and me?! (?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
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In Chicago before the movie premeired they had an opening two days before with the stars I pretended to be with a Korean news agency and I got pics with the aforementioned and sent those pics to Kampy. He NEVER showed you?!?!?!?!??!?!?!???!?! Whoa, they don't call you THE Franta for nothing.
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Those classes are proving to be money well spent, Jeremy.
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http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090528/ENT02/905280363/+Dark+Knight++has+upped+ante ANNES, France - Like other superhero fans, Sam Raimi agrees that "The Dark Knight" raised the bar for every comic-book movie to come.
Raimi figures it can only benefit the next chapter in his "Spider-Man" franchise, the first installment of which had been the top-grossing superhero flick until "The Dark Knight" blew it out of the record books last year.
"The Dark Knight' was brilliant, and the audience seemed to love it, and I think it rightfully raises expectations for the other superhero pictures," Raimi said in an interview at the Cannes Film Festival, where his horror tale "Drag Me to Hell" played. "Which is a great thing for everybody. For the filmmakers, for the audience."
Raimi said he expects to have the script for "Spider-Man 4" in hand within a few weeks. Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright David Lindsay-Abaire is writing the screenplay for the film, due in theaters in May 2011.
The director said he has discussed the story with Tobey Maguire, who stars as Peter Parker and his alter ego Spidey.
"I'm interested in making the best of the Spider-Man' movies ever, and Tobey's really excited," Raimi said. "I'm really looking forward to that collaboration."
A part has been written for Kirsten Dunst, and Raimi said he hopes she will return as the love of Peter's life, Mary Jane Watson.
After glowing reaction for the first two movies, critical response for "Spider-Man 3" was so-so. Right after the third movie came out, Raimi was undecided about returning for more, but he said he did not like "thinking about a world where somebody else was making the Peter Parker story. I love that character."
Raimi said the break he took to make the smaller "Drag Me to Hell" has refreshed him for the return to Spidey, adding that he wanted to "take some of the more modest approach I've learned from this film into the Spider-Man' film. I think it's exactly what it needs."
He also said he was game for the challenge of satisfying fans clamoring for bigger and better after "The Dark Knight."
"Yes, they have higher expectations," Raimi said. "The best thing I can do is be true to my character and work harder to bring him to the screen with as much truth and drama and a real conflict that means something to me. And have him grow in a realistic way to either overcome that conflict or be swallowed by it.
"I'm glad those expectations are up. I'm excited about that."
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