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I hardly stop by the Politics forum here 'cause it's overwhelmingly annoying.

At least when I was a mod I *tried* to keep a fairly equal reflection of all opinions properly highlighted. I'd sticky popular threads if I agreed with them or not.

Now there are a shitload of stickied (and not always all that active) threads and about all of them are anti-Obama is some way. The only one that isn't is a thread that has a funny joke-article in it.

If you don't openly loathe the president, there is a lot of shit to wade through in that forum and it just isn't that friendly; it's a circle-jerk of bile.

Come on, Rob. Seriously. Why the fuck did you take away my Politifuk Modship?

The stickied threads - oldest of which was not posted in for a solid week before I got bored and posted in it. The other is a soft week of no posts. For how voraciously the big political posters post there, that's a lot. You have to go 3-4 pages back to find un-stickied posts that old.

Don't Mess With Texas ... Get Rid Of It (the joke thread)
by Lucius Prometheus Vorenus

Obama's Broken Promises
by BASAMS The Plumber

Hey Obama, It's the economy stupid.
by BASAMS The Plumber

Thrown under the Obama bus
by BASAMS The Plumber

Obama's Teleprompter Dependence
by the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh

Obama's Politics of Fear
by the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
06/14/09 05:28 PM

If I have to side with WonderBoy or MEM just to have a discussion in there, that's fucked up.

Why can't you old bastards calm the fuck down and stop being such petty cunts? Seriously! You're getting your panties twisted over the most immaterial things! Breathe, goddamnit! He's the president and will be for another 3+ years! The USA did NOT explode into chaos and murdering, fetus-raping Hell when he was elected! I wasn't all that happy with Bush, but I still left off the CONSTANT BADGERING. That's what you DO in a community of people with different thoughts and opinions. You respect other people and build a bridge and get over it. He's ONE MAN. There are checks and balances and procedures and bureaucracy and other shit and NO, HE WON'T DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS OR EVEN PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL! Really, is this *new* to you? That's what POLITICIANS DO. You are older than I am, surely you've noticed that trend before.

Broken? That's one word for it. I'm just fed up with this bullshit. I sometimes want to just have a discussion about political or social stuff and not have to contend with a horde of assholes jumping on the most inane things. The politics and current events forum is more like a cave for y'all to throw rocks around in. You realize you aren't going to change anyone's mind, right? This is the internet. You are not going to change the world, or the USA, based on circle-jerking in a message-board forum.

I'm just saying, it would be nice if the atmosphere in there wasn't so stifling.

No no no, that's YOUR posts. Pay attention, Reax.

I HATE OBAMA! SOCIALISM RAPE OF AMERICA! RAH RAH RAH!

Oh, and for the record... you know you're siding with Penissa on those issues? The dumbest, most annoying broad on the fucking entire internet?

HIVE MIND!



You saying that is like me accusing you of siding with whomod and the rest of the insurgency.

I'm not saying Hive-Mind, I'm saying you loud-mouths could make a little concession for people with different opinions. You're just shouting the same shit over and over, let someone else shout some opinionated bullshit occasionally. (I say "let" not as if anyone is being blocked from actually posting, but how attractive is it to post when 90% of the replies are petty and nit-picking and confrontational? I don't harass you dimwits *every* time I think you're making an ass of yourself in that forum; I don't have that much time! heh)

Yeah, well... you ARE siding with Penissa. She has the same political opinions. She gets in a twist over benign bollocks that doesn't matter. You couldn't claim that I side with those rambo fags because I don't post enough of my political opinion for you to know my stance.

Who the fuck cares about equal representation. Whoever has a contrary opinion will bring it to the table themselves.

Token dissent is retarded.





And considering Prometheus is rather idle, Rob probably wouldn't mind pulling an "Allan1" for you.

How often do you see my copy and paste anything? How often do you see me agreeing with something someone else has copy and pasted? There is no one here I agree with completely when it comes to politics. You're just lumping people into the two groups because its easy for you to do.

I will let what I say stand, but you of all people should know Pariah -- I respond to the vast majority of your posts by completely ignoring them. I don't want to get into an argument over the semantics of someone's opinion, so I don't post back to you. It is a passive way to respond on the internet, and honestly the most effective.

I'm addressing it here for three reasons. Four.

1. I'm not sleepy yet.

2. It really does get annoying to have to argue constantly in that forum. *Thus I am addressing it here, in the random chat forum. Where discussions can be held honestly and objectively... at times.

3. I'd like to offer a chance for you guys to wake up and smell how overcooked you're getting. A lot of the posts in there are *really* crossing the line between valid complaint and overzealous hatred. For reals. Chill out a bit.

4. I want my Modship back. Any mod'll do.

Fine for you to say, but I read your posts in there and I am always taken aback, like "really?!" Honestly there are few political posters that I read enough by to know their basic stances (low end 3, high end 5), but you're in that group. I lumped Penissa into the group because of her random shouts of agreement. This is all.

You say that as if the former negates the latter.

Bitch.

...what?

You say that as if the former negates the latter.

The former = valid complaint

The latter = overzealous hatred

...and *I* am "saying" that valid complaints negate overzealous hatred?

To be fully clear, I made sure I didn't have the wrong definition of "negate" in my long-term memory... and I don't...

ne⋅gate
–verb (used with object)
1. to deny the existence, evidence, or truth of: an investigation tending to negate any supernatural influences.
2. to nullify or cause to be ineffective: Progress on the study has been negated by the lack of funds.
–verb (used without object)
3. to be negative; bring or cause negative results: a pessimism that always negates.


...valid complaints negate overzealous hatred? *I* am "saying" this?


...didja get that backwards? Or am I totally missing something here?

Er...Yeah. Switch that around.

Well, what I *am* saying is that the overzealous hatred is so prolific as to bury the valid complaints in a pile of shit that I most days don't want to wade through. Doesn't take away from the validity of valid complaints, no, but it does detract attention from them and lowers my general level of respect for the people that can't get off it once in a while.

I mean, seriously. Read some of the shit in there. Ignore the political names and just read it. It is damn near insane. Wholly non-objective, irrational thought most of the time. And frankly I don't give a shit that there ARE valid points to debate because I don't have the time to find them in that mess. Thus, with the exception of a few rabid followers of the strong-left, the moderates and myself do not post there and it is a giant. circle. jerk.

How are we defining moderates? People who make reasonable posts?

I mean, if we didn't have polarized dialectics there wouldn't be any conversations to wade through let alone a pile of overzealous shit.

Anyway.....Uh....I guess I sympathize in that all the threads seem to cover Obama all the time, but trying to consolidate his category to one thread would be even worse.

This is boring!
Shut up!

You're bald!

No I am not.
Please try to stay up to date!

Fine. But you're still a ginger.

And you still have Down Syndrome!

I do think there is way to many sticky threads. I don't mind it too much because I think it was done more to annoy Pro than to push a political agenda. Although I could be wrong.

I don't have anything against Pro, it's just that message boards were created as an outlet for anti-social people to be social.

Getting miscreants & misanthropes together.

I used to make it a point to stay clear of that forum, it makes people nuts.

However I do not like the Obama administration and that seems to keep dragging me back in there.

Uschi, you're gonna have to show your tits again to make up for starting this thread.

I've never been a fan of stickied threads. The topics people care about tend to rise to the top on their own. However, it's not particularly worth bitching about.

Furthermore, Uschi, if you don't like the opinions expressed in the politics forum, participate more and provide an opposing viewpoint. More speech, not less, is the cure for views you don't like.

Yeah, well. *shrug* I got it out of my system.

She can have it.

The reason I'm "idle" is for the main basic reasons Uschi listed here. Those that are part of the problem can't see beyond themselves, thus you're never going to accomplish a reasonable discussion in that forum without it sliding into a biased screaming match (from the Left or Right equally).

Used to be, when Bush was in power, the Hard Left (i.e. Whomod) was the one screaming and ranting. Now that Obama is in power, it's the Hard Right (i.e. Bsams and G-Man) that are throwing fits. It's not a forum for Moderates. It's a forum for politics, and politics seem to attract competitive, adversarial hardliners that don't view it as an exchange or analysis of ideas or social theory, but rather a battleground where the side they represent must "win" at any cost. It's a sports forum where many feel the need to justify and validate their beliefs at the expense of any others.

The original headbutting Basams and I did a while back was specifically because he and I are "Mods" of the "Politics" Forum. I wanted to eliminate the stickied threads, and let the forum flow on its own. He wanted the opposite. Of course, some of that was him fucking with me, and on my side, I was dealing with some serious stuff in my personal life. Thus, it went a little overboard, either way.

I still think the stickied threads in there is nonsense. But, I've also realized I just don't care enough about that forum's version of "politics" to try and change it. If it makes the Right-Wingers happy, let them have their corner of the universe. If I want to discuss politics, I'll just go somewhere else...

Those of us who avoid that forum avoid it for a reason, so why not discuss this shit in the forum where it matters instead of bringing it here?

Its like not liking the Media forum and posting about it in the Sports forum or Video games forum.

Her point is that she would be shouted down in the Poli-forum, no matter what she said. Thus, she wants to bring it out to the entire community...

I've tried to bring it up in the Politics forum before and got called ...what's reax's term? Obamanazi? THE Franta and others brought a huge thing into the Comic Book forum, I called them out for it. For the record Franta was receptive to critique while still upholding his opinions and standpoints. I respect that.

I'm not discussing politics here, I'm discussing community communication and interaction. If I was discussing politics directly, I would have posted in the appropriate forum.

I read it the first time, Reax. And I cried "Broken" first. Get over it.

Its days like this that everyone wishes Beardgay was back.



Actually, nobody ever wishes that.

Sure you are. You started this thread complaining that BSAMS only sticked anti-Obama threads and that the forum is "a circle-jerk of bile" against the President. That's politics.

Your complaint can't be that BSAMS stickies too many threads because, as I recall, when you WERE mod you had at least a half-dozen threads stickied. Furthermore, your own biases affected which threads you stickied in 2008, insofar as you only stickied threads about those candidates you thought were worthy of attention.

Finally, it should be noted that what finally set you off was when BSAMS criticized Obama for how he celebrated Father's Day. Maybe I'm wildly off base here but it seemed pretty clear that he did so wholly as a joke to tweak off MEM for starting a Father's Day thread in the politics forum in the first place.

alas poor uschi. she had to realize the shitfest she was opening just by starting this thread...

Social politics. The dressing of the issue IS political but the core issue I am addressing is about a message board forum. Sure it stems from political views different from my own being posted non-stop and the irritation that comes when trying to discuss anything else, but the issue I wanted to talk about mostly is how that forum no longer is a pleasant facility for open discussion.



Yeah, in the attempt to highlight as many perspectives as I could. And when complaint raised, I got the hint and changed. My complaint here is that the stickied threads are single-minded, only representing one viewpoint, and left up there no matter how often (or not) they are posted in.



...until you graciously made me a big ole thread with links to ALL of them, in which place I stickied THAT, said thanks, and removed the others. There were a shitload of candidates and I tried to keep a thread on the "bigger runners" in the pre-pre-election. Since you were one of the people bitching about the multitude of threads back then, I'm certain you can feel at least small pleasure knowing that I *could* have stickied even more threads.

I never claimed to be the best mod; I claimed to *try* to improve and reflect the people engaging in the forum's interests. I never was a mod before and there is a learning curve if one is to be an *active* moderator.



Not really, that comment just reminded me of dozens of others (and I read through a handful of pages of threads last night to verify that I wasn't blowing out my ass), including the aforementioned incident with THE Franta. It wasn't the impetus so much as the forum in general was. It has been irking me any time I go in there, and last night I wasn't sleepy and honestly had nothing better to do than bitch about it. That is what "set me off."

Yeah, I knew. But I said what i wanted to. I'll defend it, but I still have the catharsis of getting the sand out of my vagina.

When did anti-Obama become hard right?

Everytime he saw Bea Arthur naked!